Apart from 2 days before is a Sunday
#beta-ptr-spoilers
ruby star
frosty matrix
And?
ruby star
They won't announce on a sunday
zealous basalt
Who works in sunday
tranquil steeple
The constant request of announcing pre-patch gets the same treatment as high elves... ask more, delay more.
frosty matrix
Why would they not announce on a Sunday?
zealous basalt
Are you trying to say
ruby star
Because they don't work on Sundays
sharp bluff
Either way, just saying the gif is old because it has been posted how many times now? I know at least 3
zealous basalt
High elves are more important than Prepatch
frosty matrix
Are you telling me that Blizzard, as a whole, shuts down for 24 hours on Sunday?
I'm sure there's people working at Blizzard HQ on Sundays 😂
grizzled sleet
Anyone remember when they did announce legion prepatch?
sharp bluff
Ahh a Helf person, can’t argue with those people 🤦 never mind continue, not worth wasting my breath
grizzled sleet
I'm trying to find the news about legion prpatch date on google
zealous basalt
...did we have
zealous basalt
That long of prepatch
frosty matrix
Less than a week
sharp bluff
I usual skip those all together, just thought it odd to see the same gif, and same person demanding the same thing, in the spoilers channel 🤷
frosty matrix
Pre-patch often lasts about a month. Not surprising it was more like six weeks
Considering they were accounting for all the people who quit because of a thirteen month content drought
zealous basalt
Oof
frosty matrix
So I guess you could assume they made the pre-patch that long to let people who quit in WoD trickle back in
And in theory, yes, if pre-patch is indeed the 17th
heavy cairn
I don't think they would do that for a pre-patch, but tbh after some of the other patches this expansion IDK
frosty matrix
If there was no announcement, given the amount of people pushing raid content last minute and shit like the mage tower, there'd be a riot.
heavy cairn
^^ yea that's the main issue I have with assuming no announcement.
all the other patches did not cut off AOTC or related until weeks later
frosty matrix
Because of content pacing, there's a lot more people trying to stuff things in before they disappear.
Which wasn't much of an issue given that patch cadence used to leave us with like 11 months with the same content.
zealous basalt
But I thought Aotc doesnt disappear with prepatch
heavy cairn
I think AOTC disappears, it did in previous expansions, but it may or may not be possible to get Spellwing still
frosty matrix
That's a toss-up. The MoP mount you couldn't get at pre-patch, moose you could
Or the other way around, I forget
grizzled sleet
Spellwing last until BFA
frosty matrix
They haven't been consistent with that in any case
sharp bluff
Moose you could
heavy cairn
the MoP mount was directly rewarded from the AOTC achievement (at least from what I can tell in the legacy achivement), moose was a quest item dropped
and yea moose was prepatch I got it then
sharp bluff
Same
zealous basalt
I'm just sad that some fuck wasted my attempt at Helya mythic
30 min of planning
And a bad positioning at the first second
frosty matrix
As someone who went heavy casual in WoD, and heard about the moose too late, and is now an avid mount collector..........
I'm still sore in places I won't mention over not having that moose
sharp bluff
Sorry to hear, but it could be worse
heavy cairn
I was heavy casual from the beginning until the very end of WoD lol
then I started caring, got that moose and did raiding most of legion, got the spellwing too
frosty matrix
Yeah, I got the spellwing no problem this time around
I made DAMN SURE OF IT
ptsd eye twitch
frosty matrix
I want to do the Chosen title but ugggghhhh
zealous basalt
That some trash members of my guild got a free carry
frosty matrix
My guild doesn't want to go back to ToV, and FUCK pugs for shit like that
heavy cairn
my guild was trying to do ToV mythic with less than 20 people since they were bored of antorus, idk how far they got ¯_(ツ)_/¯
frosty matrix
If you mean the Achievements Discord, I'm in there already
Still technically a pug though. I prefer to do higher-stakes, time-sensitive stuff like that with people I know, if I can
hollow dock
if we keep going up
3-4 per day
Someone did some quick maths and thinks we'll hit like 120ish before prepatch
zealous basalt
What is the stat boost at that level
hollow dock
something like 50k
frosty matrix
Insane probs. My 985 alt with only a 910 and a 970 for leggos has 5.3m health, sight unseen
tranquil steeple
Uh.. typo, Seb? 985 alt with 910 and 970 leggos has 5.3m hp?
tranquil steeple
Yea my monk's at 6m, 950 ilvl
zealous basalt
945 at 6mil
grizzled sleet
985 alt lol
grizzled sleet
tranquil steeple
lul
grizzled sleet
He needs 20 accounts for that
tranquil steeple
Just imagine having an alt that's 985.. AN ALT
zealous basalt
Oof
tranquil steeple
zealous basalt
That's some dedication to the alt
frosty matrix
YOU NEVER CAN
STAT SQUISH, BABES
Who knows when we'll crawl back up to this kind of ilvl again
hollow dock
next expac
frosty matrix
2024 or something
zealous basalt
w/ stat squish
zealous basalt
Which turns into 200
tranquil steeple
After BfA they revert the stat squish/ilvl squish 
zealous basalt
Oof
grizzled sleet
Legion was 800 => 1000 ilvl
BFA => 300 => 500
After this 600 => 800
frosty matrix
I dunno, Blizzard seems pretty intent on keeping us out of the four-digit ilvls
frosty matrix
I mean character ilvl
Not individual pieces
And that was only for legendaries anyway
hollow dock
I just wanna keep hitting things for 12 mil damage
zealous basalt
"These fagits are think they are op now"
tranquil steeple
Looks at Pantheon trinkets
frosty matrix
If it's feasible, I imagine we'll see some kind of stat squish every two expacs from this point forward
zealous basalt
"Squish their damage"
hollow dock
they really shouldn't bother tbh
hollow dock
they should just introduce what they gave D3, an option tos quish the numbers
tranquil steeple
I don't want WoW as an mmo where you do billions of millions of damage
hollow dock
so you'd see 12m
frosty matrix
I like the squishes. It's funny watching all the people who haven't lived through a squish before cry and freak out.
grizzled sleet
BFA => 300 => 500
Next expac 600 => 800
Next expacx2 : 900 => 1100 except if they do another stat squish
hollow dock
instead of 12,089,432
frosty matrix
Honestly, it's not about the number you're making with a hit
It's how much of the enemy's health bar is disappearing.
zealous basalt
Ye
frosty matrix
It's portions, not raw numeric value
hollow dock
if they kept that true
I'd have no issues
but I can one shot an enemy in legion
but can't do so in BFA
so there's an issue
grizzled sleet
@zealous basalt you will deal 0.467383689383
frosty matrix
Are you talking at 120?
zealous basalt
Wasnt that a tuning issue?
frosty matrix
Also you don't have legendaries, artifact traits, the perfect talent layout, or even properly tuned enemies yet.
You wouldn't even have raid gear from the first tier yet
Of course you're going to hit like a wet noodle
Just like how, when Suramar city was first dropped, people were getting absolutely ransacked in the ass every time their disguise broke
zealous basalt
...
frosty matrix
And that was in live
zealous basalt
No please
frosty matrix
You can't expect BFA's beta to be at all reflective of how things will be in a few months
zealous basalt
In ptr I got my ass oneshoted
frosty matrix
And LOL Makore, did I trigger some bad memories there?
zealous basalt
With my heroic gear
hollow dock
no
at 110
my Chains of ice legendary
over on legion with all procs
will deal 12 mil damage. that's more than enough
to one shot basicaly anything not a boss
zealous basalt
THIS IS AN ILLUSION YOU FUCKING CASUL*
frosty matrix
lol of course you aren't one-shotting Legion mobs at 110. on the PTR The tuning isn't in place yet.
Not to mention, aren't the legendaries just stat sticks on the PTR now?
grizzled sleet
Guys, 5 days and you can solo legion invasions as 110
frosty matrix
Like it's been said, tuning is part of it
They focus more on the upcoming content in regards to those numbers first
hollow dock
same shit happened over in WoD's transition from MoP.
zealous basalt
Still happens
hollow dock
KC could do 80% of an enemies health bar. come prepatch to live servers I was doing barely half. The number 'squish' is a nerf to damage
not just a reallocation of the number values.
zealous basalt
I get you on that one
In live my rising sun kick oneshots at level 110
Now it barely lowers them at 50%
hollow dock
now I've sent in my feedback regarding the tuning
but if this is how it'll be on live
Ima be very sore over it
frosty matrix
I like it tbh. Going around one-shotting everything like some kind of demigod is fucking boring.
hollow dock
I enjoy being a demigod
frosty matrix
I like the challenge. It's why I've done the Iron Man twice.
zealous basalt
That's why u suck at rp
frosty matrix
But it's not BIS anymore
zealous basalt
dab
frosty matrix
In BFA, it ceases to be that
frosty matrix
On the PTR, it isn't
hollow dock
isn't bfa
zealous basalt
Besides
hollow dock
It's still legion with BFA's numbers
grizzled sleet
It's prepatch, nothing change about gear, still BIS
zealous basalt
Remember that all our artifact traits are disabled
So it is obvious that we wont deal the same damage
zealous basalt
Not to 100%
frosty matrix
Not all class changes compensate for that directly
hollow dock
I am talking of 1 ability
upped
with a legendary
completely independent of the artifact
zealous basalt
Chains of ice
frosty matrix
Did the ability at its base get nerfed? I don't play Frost
zealous basalt
Is frost damage
hollow dock
Chains of Ice always deals no damage
the legendary makes it deal shadowfrost damage
based on
it's stacks
zealous basalt
Stacks with shadow
hollow dock
at 20 with fallen Crusader up, it can one shot
it doesn't mak
Shadowfrost does not scale with Frost or Shadow masteries
frosty matrix
Could you possibly put all your thoughts in a single coherent sentence instead of dropping six different half-sentence messages one after the other?
hollow dock
it is 100% independent of the class.
When arguing with 2 people i have to keep the chat line clear to answer you both
frosty matrix
It feels like having a conversation with the asthmatic kid from Malcom in the Middle
zealous basalt
Lol
Well, I will say this vris
In a joking way
Git gud and learn 2 play
In a serious play
It is true that the damage has been squished a little
But at least for me
It works in synergy
If they dont die with rsk
I just combo them to heck
I cant say that from Argus mobs
If the tuning you suggest doesnt make it
I am afraid we will be oneshoted to heck if we go back to argus
hollow dock
I'll go ahead and link it all together in one sentence then: Chains of Ice is boosted by Cold Heart, a legendary for Unholy and Frost specs of DKs, in which with Fallen Crusader it'll deal roughly 5.5~mil damage. Which is more than enough to one shot something random out in the world that isn't a boss.
Over on PTR, it barely does over 10k damage with Crusader up. The damage on Cold Heart only scales with strength and nothing else, so mastery nerfing and stuff like that does not interfere with Cold Heart's damage, in which it's Shadowfrost damage and doesn't scale with either anyways.
The stat squish is not a reallocation of numbers to be more pleasant, it's just a nerf to our damage.
zealous basalt
Again
frosty matrix
Were you present for the last squish?
zealous basalt
Tuning is necessary
hollow dock
Yes. I've played this game for over 10 years now
frosty matrix
Then how you haven't learned to get over the small stuff like that is beyond me.
hollow dock
I used my example of Kill Command in Mop to WoD as I played hunter back then.
cinder knoll
@zealous basalt I actually tried to go to Argus on beta with my 110 char, felt much easier than on live
cinder knoll
could easily solo elites with SP without much effort
zealous basalt
Oof
hollow dock
they overly squished the mobs on argus, but anything outside of Legion is leagues harder to kill.
hollow dock
Spent like 40 seconds on one mob, at the converted ilvl of 958 to whatever it is in BFA, in the Siege of Lordaeron scenario
zealous basalt
150
cinder knoll
ye BFA content is different story
grizzled sleet
You can solo argus invasions too
hollow dock
that is not fun or satisfactory at all
zealous basalt
Lordaeron is a different story
I burst all
And only deal few damage
But that's when the rest of the people enter
frosty matrix
That scenario is undergoing aggressive retuning before it goes live
hollow dock
I was alone in my Siege scenario.
zealous basalt
Wat
hollow dock
I do hope that it does, and I sent in my feedback about it,
zealous basalt
How is that possible?
hollow dock
I purposefully went in alone to see how good/bad the scaling was.
I went in when no one else was queing for it
frosty matrix
It's fair enough to give constructive feedback, but if you can't wait until it goes live to pass such critical complaints that doesn't help.
hollow dock
Which is like. Middle of the day for me
zealous basalt
I noticed that Lordaeron isnt tuned correctly for soloing
...because you know...it is a group scenario
hollow dock
My complaints are all very fair. The ilvl squish is anerf to damage. It's not fun or satisfactory on how hard the squish hits. those are my complaints. I was using my Chains of Ice example to prove my point.
Since Im not under threat of dying, I'm just taking leagues longer to kill things
zealous basalt
Git gud I guess
frosty matrix
Also you're basing this on doing a scenario intended for a group by yourself.
Of course it didn't scale appropriately for just you
zealous basalt
If they attune the scenario for solo
grizzled sleet
It's not a nerf to damage, they are just not tuning mobs well. If you tried to do some pvp on beta / ptr you will notice that nothing is wrong with damage
hollow dock
Which it isn't intended for a group Seb. These scenaroes are meant to be played by the players.
zealous basalt
Wrong
zealous basalt
Wrooong
frosty matrix
Every time I've played it in the beta, it's been in a party
Automatically, I might add
hollow dock
I've done it twice, once in a party and once out.
Roughly 1 mob took the same amount of time to kill. 40-43 seconds
zealous basalt
You are supposed to feel it hard because it is a freaking invasion
hollow dock
Wrong Mak
zealous basalt
You arent a goddamn demigod shesh
frosty matrix
It's not scaling properly yet, I don't know how else we could possibly make that clear to you.
junior geyser
Anyone know when the prepatch hits?
grizzled sleet
17
zealous basalt
trigger
hollow dock
I am well aware of that.
frosty matrix
Best assumption is the 17th until we hear otherwise.
hollow dock
I've even said I detailed feedback specifically to help for tuning.
My points all still stand on how unfun it is and how it's a nerf to damage to nerf damage. Not reallocate numbers as you claim
zealous basalt
Unfun for your kind maybe
grizzled sleet
Vris, this scenario is intended to be done in group, but once BFA is released it will be tuned for soloing, just like broken shore
but for now
You're not supposedd to do it alone
zealous basalt
I like a prepatch
I mean
A squish to my damage
To remind me that I'm not a fucking god in the universe
I want to use all my abilities, not just spam one thing
hollow dock
Except that I did manage to do it solo. :x the Broken Shore invasion that is. Once more on the PTR and it went fine.
zealous basalt
Because there wasnt a stat squish
frosty matrix
That's because the Broken Shore wasn't pre-patch or launch content
And there was no squish
hollow dock
It was pre-patch content.
zealous basalt
Yeah
frosty matrix
I thought you were referring to the 8.1 scenario
zealous basalt
No no
hollow dock
If you pre-ordered Legion, you got the Broken Shore early
frosty matrix
7.1, even
hollow dock
and no Im not
The event that has Varian die Seb.
that's the Broken Shore invasion.
frosty matrix
Ah that one
zealous basalt
The broken shore scenario was easier tho
frosty matrix
Ye
zealous basalt
Because we still had our op gear
And because the class changes made a perfect synergy
hollow dock
I didn't have any carry over WoD raiding gear.
and we didn't have that synergy at all Mak.
grizzled sleet
It was easier because NPCs were doing a lot of damage to help
zealous basalt
Well
frosty matrix
Honestly, if your complaint is that you can't oneshot everything, I'm not sure I can honestly believe that you've been playing as long as you say you have
zealous basalt
I play monk so
hollow dock
The classes at that point in Pre-patch were designed around artifacts. Weapons we couldn't have gotten.
frosty matrix
Anybody who's been playing that long knows what it's like to actually put effort in against mobs
zealous basalt
You just want to oneshot anything, right?
hollow dock
Granted I am no mythic raider, but my rotation for unholy out in the world is the same as in a raid.
grizzled sleet
It's the same for old world leveling, no effort, just take longer to kill mobs
since 7.3.5
hollow dock
Apply dot, hit my FS, then pop them.
Normally they die at FS or pop to a trinket proc with the applying of my dot.
zealous basalt
Well, unholy is pretty easy just like Havoc
hollow dock
Yea, as Mim said.
zealous basalt
Why cant you just bear with it?
frosty matrix
It's unfinished, unpolished, and post-squish
It's a totally different ballpark
Same game, different stadium
hollow dock
Because it's a complaint of mine and you all are trying to shut it down even though I've already sent in my feedback about this situation in a constructive fashion.
zealous basalt
Git gud
Also
We dont know
Maybe there will be a build before prepatch date
With all the tuning you need
zealous basalt
We havent get builds this week
frosty matrix
If you were dying all the time, the whining would be more appropriate, but you're literally just griping that things are taking longer to die, when the system is undergoing a tremendous number shift which requires large-scale tuning for a shitton of different armors, relics, and new talents/class builds.
hollow dock
Except that all my complaints are with the classes that underwent none of the changes you labeled out and have already had their number tuning. The worl dscaling I'll give you and, for the fifth time, I've sent in my feedback regarding the world scaling and tuning.
frosty matrix
You don't know that it's the final tuning though, that's my point
It's not final
That's why it's called the "test" realm
hollow dock
For my class, yes I can safely say that.
Since they said that there might be some number tweaks, but overall the classes are done
frosty matrix
What I'm asking is, if you've put the feedback in, what's the point of still complaining for us, rather than waiting to see what's implemented?
hollow dock
in their last QnA a few weeks back.
Because it was apart of the topic that was brought up.
am I just not allowed to complain about something I do not like?
zealous basalt
No
grizzled sleet
You don't like how long you take to kill mobs or the damage numbers of your classe? It's 2 different things
frosty matrix
Honestly, complaining with no purpose other than complain just makes you seem entitled
zealous basalt
Other classes have more issues killing things tho
hollow dock
Both honestly Mim. The complaints are both independent of each other though.
I don't like that they've bumped in artifical difficulty that's on the lazy level of the new God of War. They've not made things more difficult, they've just made it take longer by nerfing us.
I don't like that my class had been able, at the highest possible gear that one can aquire without mythic, 1-2 shot everything that isn't a boss.
grizzled sleet
AFAIK there is nothing wrong with damage numbers, I tried many classes / specs to see their damage, I did some pvp outside of stormwind against every spec, except some trinkets that are not* tuned well, everything seems balanced
strange falcon
hollow dock
Not really. I hated that leveling because I could never finish a zone.
frosty matrix
Already tried saying that
hollow dock
what gear is BiS in pre-patch then?
zealous basalt
The next content gear
hollow dock
the gear you can't aquire
zealous basalt
Exactly
hollow dock
and thus can't be best in slot. Because you can't aquire it
frosty matrix
I'm not a mythic raider. Mythic gear is BiS, but I can't acquire it. Ergo my BiS is what I can get from Heroic. Is that your logic?
hollow dock
You can aquire it tho
frosty matrix
Also the way damage works for a lot of classes and abilities is going to depend on different stats than it does currently, and Argus gear hasn't been re-aligned yet
hollow dock
You can always find a mythic group fo argus and go earn that gear.
grizzled sleet
@zealous basalt it will still bis, but for some classes more than others, the ones who can stack legendaries + talents for example
hollow dock
You can't do that for Uldir gear. because uldir isn't available for raiding
or even mythic+ BFA dungeong ear
zealous basalt
You are the only one complaining about not being able to oneshot stuff due your goddamed "oh but I have all gear I must be god" attitude
Bear with it
frosty matrix
I'm 962 and a crap raider. I'm not doing mythic lmfao
zealous basalt
No one cares
hollow dock
Then that's your own barrier you need to overcome
frosty matrix
So it's, for all intents and purposes, as though I can't go in there
That's my point
It's a HYPOTHETICAL
hollow dock
You can't hypothetically grab Uldir gear
in prepatch tho
no one, mythic or otherwise, ca get Uldir gear. which will be hte new bis gear.
zealous basalt
Seriously Vris, stop with it
grizzled sleet
They also said that pvp boxes will introduce some catch-up gear
hollow dock
when uldir comes out
zealous basalt
Also that
hollow dock
You all are trying to tear down my complaints for this insanity.
I'll keep defending myself until you stop
frosty matrix
Because it's not insanity, you're being a pedant, and all it is at the end of the day is you whining that you aren't all-powerful.
hollow dock
then dont complain about me defending myself
hollow dock
I already said I am not just complaing here
zealous basalt
If you cant bear with it
hollow dock
six times now
frosty matrix
Seriously, EVERYONE else is going to go through these changes. You talking like you're personally victimized is ridiculous.
hollow dock
When you guys are trying to tear down my complaints, yes. I will take it personally.
zealous basalt
I lost my survivability ability to heal myself with touch of karma
But you dont see me whining about it
hollow dock
that does suck. I hope you sent in feedback about getting it back if you've found it to be troubling for your world survivability
hollow dock
Oh, then it's a change that doesn't really affect you. That's good to know.
frosty matrix
offering facts and logical counterpoints > "YOU'RE TEARING DOWN MY COMPLAINTS"
🤔????
zealous basalt
Bias
hollow dock
I am not human tho
frosty matrix
hollow dock
What facts and logical counterpoints Seb? O.o
I've already put out the math that backs my points. You've just spouted 'BUT DER NOT DONE YET'
zealous basalt
Class changes, tuning not ready?
frosty matrix
Literally everything we've been saying regarding tuning, due process, waiting for the final product, etc.
hollow dock
In which I've said multiple times now, yes I will keep waiting for tuning the fully finish
frosty matrix
git gud
zealous basalt
Make different strategies
hollow dock
until then I sent in my complaints
about the current state
hoping it'll be reflected
within the final tuning
zealous basalt
More like whining
hollow dock
jesus fucking christ
frosty matrix
If you sent in your complaints, why are you still complaining endlessly
zealous basalt
And the wont
hollow dock
because you guys won't drop the topic and keep trying to say Im wrong
frosty matrix
You've done all you can do.
frosty matrix
☝🏼
zealous basalt
Bear with it
cinder knoll
I would understand this if your class would be the only one, but blizz is making everything a bit slower and harder, keeping complaining about your dmg seems unreasonable in this case
frosty matrix
lol bear
zealous basalt
If you cant play with changes
frosty matrix
i see u
grizzled sleet
Beer with it
hollow dock
it's unplayable
zealous basalt
But you are whining about
frosty matrix
So at the end of the day, your complaint is literally just
zealous basalt
"Omg too weak I cant oneshot"
frosty matrix
"I DON'T LIKE IT WEH AM NOT DEMIGOD"
cinder knoll
😄
hollow dock
for a complaint on the current state of things that I already sent feedback about
frosty matrix
We're not even saying you're wrong. We're just saying you're not right
hollow dock
So again I ask the question that went unanswered
am I just not allowed to have a complaint
frosty matrix
You can, but you're going to get given shit for whining
hollow dock
Which is fine.
cinder knoll
I would say it different way, you are allowed to complain, you can complain about anything... but is this complain reasonable? no
frosty matrix
Especially when it's less about the actual complaints and more about "HOW DARE U SAY I'M WRONG"
You literally can't deal with hearing an opinion other than your own
hollow dock
But you should have ya know. Stopped when I said 'Oh hey yea I know your points are valid. i already sent in feedback because I am aware theyr'e still working on it'
frosty matrix
Even if that opinion is backed up by objective fact
hollow dock
Seven times now I've said that btw
frosty matrix
Fun fact: you could have, ya know, Stopped when we said that there was no point in complaining if you already sent in feedback.
frosty matrix
You can't actually be like this. This can't be how your brain works. So many people would have shoved you off the monkey bars, you wouldn't have survived childhood
hollow dock
I'm not. I am just like this when people wish to insult me.
cinder knoll
telling you you are wrong isnt an insult
frosty matrix
Offering rebuttal to your personal complaints isn't an insult.
hollow dock
calling me a pedant is
frosty matrix
Calling you a pedant isn't an insult if you're being pedantic. It's an observation.
zealous basalt
You only take an insult of an adjective if you really are one
hollow dock
The first time is when I decided to just do as you 'observe'
cinder knoll
well... it can be taken that way, but there is a say in my country, something like "a duck squeeks when its hit"
zealous basalt
^
cinder knoll
literaly translated
frosty matrix
Is that the translation of the "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck" saying?
zealous basalt
Its like a way to say
"If you get pisces because someone namecalls you, probably you are that"
frosty matrix
Ahhhh, cool!
zealous basalt
Pissed even
frosty matrix
It's always interesting to see how those adages and sayings come out in other languages
There was one, from German I think, that translates to "Not my circus, not my monkeys"
zealous basalt
XD
Someone should have mentioned that they nerfed legendaries because they were to become irrelevant
hollow dock
Where was that change, Mak?
zealous basalt
Its logic
hollow dock
I'd rather have the numbers to see they got nerfed.
zealous basalt
Why whine about a legendary that wont work in 5 levels?
hollow dock
Not that you assume it gets nerfed. :p
because it'll work in places like timewalking
Like all the other legendaries
frosty matrix
Aren't they losing their actual abilities and just becoming stat-sticks past a point anyway?
hollow dock
See why I shouldn't bother changing?
frosty matrix
Makes the Timewalking point kind of moot
hollow dock
Nope, they aren't Seb.
hollow dock
Like the Cloak and Ring from Pandaria and WoD, they'll be disabled at max level but enabled in timewalking
frosty matrix
timewalking is such a faceroll with standard current-raid gear anyway, i don't bother putting together sets for it
hollow dock
Not since the changes in 735 o.o
zealous basalt
The leggo ring is a prime example
frosty matrix
I still make the DPS charts my bitch and we never wipe so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
zealous basalt
From the 25% damage boost
It becomes a flat 1%
So vris
What if your leggos get shitty in timewalk?
There is a saying here
"The true parrot is green everywhere"
In this case it means that
Even with these changes, if you are really good, you will top charts
hollow dock
Im still trying to find the 1% legendary ring buff you're speaking of
cuz its the first time I've heard of it
frosty matrix
It's like back in the beta in 2004
frosty matrix
Everyone was sobbing about how terrible warriors were and that they needed a buff
zealous basalt
If you wear the legendary ring in timewalk
frosty matrix
Then Indalamar came in and was like "lol no"
zealous basalt
The value of the dps increase is 1%
frosty matrix
Because he actually bothered to go outside of the "accepted" rotation and showed that in the right hands warriors were actually OP
hollow dock
that wasn't beta btw, that was on live.
frosty matrix
hollow dock
and yea I found it. It's scaled down so much because of the gear scaling.
Oh it was on beta. o= huh. I misremembered that.
frosty matrix
It pays to check before immediately dismissing something like you know better, just fyi
frosty matrix
2004 BABEH
zealous basalt
Why do all vanilla videos have techno
hollow dock
that was just the thing. it was that or rock.
frosty matrix
Darude's Sandstorm was still only a few years old back then
frosty matrix
She's just asthmatic, leave her alone
hollow dock
I thought it was because she had really bad mexican food
frosty matrix
Can't wait for that calendar tbh
Really enjoying the current year's one
Save for the obvious horde bias
zealous basalt
Bias
frosty matrix
Only two Alliance characters out of the whole year
hollow dock
what?! there's no horde bias!
frosty matrix
But the first three months alone are all orcs 😂
hollow dock
Pfft. That's no horde bias. That's just....uh......blizz papers shuffle around nervously
Garrosh was bad so we'll be better than garrosh....?
frosty matrix
game show buzzer
WRONG ANSWER
Bad Blizz, go to your corner
Seriously tho, Sylvanas = Garrosh 2.0
hollow dock
Oh absolutely. She even notes it in the Before the Storm book.
zealous basalt
Sylvanas is best warchief tho
hollow dock
She's just doing what Garrosh didn't, and keeping the horde close.
Rather than pushing it apart.
frosty matrix
Best for ensuring the Horde crumbles in on itself, sure
hollow dock
That's the best bit Seb, they won't realize how much damage Sylvanas is doing until it's to late. Which I absolutely adore.
frosty matrix
As an Alliance, I'm just sitting back, watching Sylvanas fuck up the Horde and waiting for judgement day like
hollow dock
I can't wait to see how they find out. Will Sylvanas slip up? will nathanos slip up?
hollow dock
Will Gallywix or Baine find out?
hollow dock
There's so many different ways for this self-induced espionage to go wrong
frosty matrix
He wishes
zealous basalt
Will Anduin have a girlfriend?
zealous basalt
Is Wrathion going to accept it
zealous basalt
Talia
hollow dock
Talia?
hollow dock
While I am not opposed to that ship, I will note that they've only had formal speakings
frosty matrix
LOL
zealous basalt
frosty matrix
implying that anduin was fathered by bolvar knocking up tiffin while varian was off galavanting and doing kingly-things
hollow dock
Oh i see.
frosty matrix
is joke
zealous basalt
...
frosty matrix
Mostly joke
zealous basalt
Was it
I mean
I was referring to the fact that he was his advisor when he was a boi
frosty matrix
Oh I legit thought you were saying Bolvar and Varian were gonna have to go on Maury Povich
frosty matrix
I respect that fuck outta those dudes
Still laughed at the perceived implication tho
hollow dock
Bolvar wasnt in Stormwind when Anduin was concieved was he? O.o I thought he was a knight of Lordaeron
frosty matrix
terse patrol
Azshara hot af @hollow dock
frosty matrix
Too many tentatacle -esque appendages
restive sage
😉
fast grove
Varian had to die so he could go be OP in Heroes of the Storm.
hollow dock
Until they nerfed tauntian.
Rip tauntian and all his glory of gwenty seconds of keeping someone in place
zealous basalt
No u
restive sage
whuuuut
hollow dock
Uhhh. Mhmm. shuffles argument papers how about...
Oh heres an oldie, there are only four old gods.
zinc sandal
No
amber briar
N'zoth soon
hollow dock
Ghuun is not a true old god. Not in the sane sense as the prime four
Artifically made by the titans, Ghuun is an experiment gone wrong
amber briar
And it's 5 old god
hollow dock
4
heavy cairn
well, unless they changed it since the alpha (a possibility which I am willing to accept), he's classified as an old god
I literally did the quest
karmic copper
Ghuun isn't an old god
hollow dock
As i said Akr
He is not a true old god
He was artifically made. A sort of proto-old god if you will
amber briar
C'thun, N'zoth, Yogg-Saron, Y'shaarj and one we dont know the name yet no?
karmic copper
Ion Hazzikostas is the 5th old god.
hollow dock
Nope mord. Only 4
heavy cairn
artificial does not mean false. and he's "worse" (according to some dev interview) than the rest of the old gods, in my opinion that makes him more than a "proto"-old god
karmic copper
GIVE ME A GOOD LEGENDARY ION DAMNIT
hollow dock
Cthun, Nzoth, yoggy and yshaarj are the only 4 old gods sent to azeroth by the void lords
heavy cairn
that I agree on
amber briar
Oh ok
hollow dock
Ghuun was made with an unknown purpose by the titan keepers and sealed underground in uldir
The purpose is theorized that he was made to devour the other old gods. Since he is nothing more than a mouth and a stomach
karmic copper
Probaly
hollow dock
Well, its a parasite that devours other parasites.
hollow dock
Nah, not void.
karmic copper
Old gods got that void
hollow dock
Remember, Uldirs testing more or less happened after Yshaarj was torn from azeroth
heavy cairn
so it would damage azeroth more to simply rip up the old gods than have another parasite dig to them and inhabit their space--as in, it would also have access to azeroth's heart (which the current old gods presumably do)?
hollow dock
So you're presented a problem: Removal of the old gods without forceful removal.
Now for that I imagine they might have an inhibitor or some way to control Ghuun. But after ghuuns creation, he goes berserk
Forcing the facility to shut down the experiment and seal him. This research is spread to the rest so none of the other facilities perform these experiments.
Which is how G'huuns existence is leaked to Yogg-saron and Ulduar. And made the curse of flesh. In theory that is.
heavy cairn
lol
amber briar
Well. Prison they build it's only for Old gods
heavy cairn
titan keepers in this case*
I bet if the titans (not their keepers) had been able to come down to azeroth without damaging it, they would have built a magnificient prison
hollow dock
I imagine the reason is that the titan keepers think theyre perfect
hollow dock
Theyre so blind in order and regulation that they dont realize the system can crumble on a single flaw
hollow dock
Or that any of them could be corrupted
amber briar
But I wonder when Azeorht will become a Titan like the others. And I wonder how Titans can be alive because if I remember Aman'thul let their body die and send the spirit of each titans on Azeroth or something like that That's why something happen in Pandarie. It's vague but I can't remember everything...
Azeroth*
zealous basalt
The titans are bac
hollow dock
The bodies died full and full
However
Their spirits didnt. They sent the equivalent of beacons towards Azeroths keepers to show them what happened and the spirits went into hiding
amber briar
So what we saw in the last video was their spirit only?
heavy cairn
afaik they were only able to manifest physical form because of the seat of the pantheon
hollow dock
Sargeras has essentially been hunting them down all this time to break them as he did Aggramar and stuff them into bodies.
Yup.
heavy cairn
and yea sargeras stuffed one of them into a body
amber briar
Oh. I understand now for Aggramar too
heavy cairn
aggramar was simply an avatar ye
hollow dock
Yea. It just had his soul stuffed inside
amber briar
I understand now. I was wonder how he could be in the seat of pantheon after we kill him...
hollow dock
Yup and now the titans are basically spent for a couple thousand years.
So they're not going to be much help.
heavy cairn
unless they pull another "time goes differently"
amber briar
Yes. They're stuck on Argus now. In the seat of pantheon
heavy cairn
which is a possibility, if you ask me, the seat of the pantheon is apparently its own world (see: knaifu's comment)
zinc sandal
SotP is not on Argus
hollow dock
The Seat isnt in the nether, its judt close to it within the great dark.
amber briar
Yes. You're right.
rich apex
something something Knifu is not a credible source
hollow dock
I mean. When she thanks us for letting her step foot in the pantheon
heavy cairn
but knaifu was congratulating the shadow priest for "opening the way" or something. that seems pretty credible imo.
hollow dock
Shes not credible? Omo
amber briar
Knaifu?
heavy cairn
shadow priest artifact, xalatah or something
hollow dock
Xalatath.
zinc sandal
I mean, wouldn’t Knaifu die after we absorb the energy from Sargeras’ stick?
hollow dock
We dont know sadly. Blizz was to lazy to record those lines =/
heavy cairn
knaifu might die, but she might be the claw of some void creature that is still alive / can be resurrected
amber briar
Oh. The spirit in the weapon. Like Aluneth with the mage
hollow dock
Like in Kal'dorei
zinc sandal
NOOOO
hollow dock
KAL***'***DOREI
zinc sandal
screams in agony while disintegrating
zinc sandal
No no, I disintegrate
amber briar
hollow dock
Oh I see. Like the Kal'dorei disintegrate
amber briar
If we say Sin'dorei then we say Kal'dorei
zinc sandal
Oh yes
hollow dock
Mords got the right idea
zinc sandal
Heretics
heavy cairn
quel'dorei, sin'dorei, kal'dorei, ren'dorei, shal'dorei?
hollow dock
By the emperor how heretical
zinc sandal
insert heresy detected meme
hollow dock
Also: whos excited to see what asspull of an excuse they make to have the alliance be less justified in the siege of lordaeron?
zinc sandal
Not me.
zealous basalt
Justified
zinc sandal
Probably something along the lines of “It’s Genn’s fault.”
heavy cairn
what excuse does horde have for teldrassil?
amber briar
I really wonder why we didnt get Lordaeron back :(
zinc sandal
Blight
hollow dock
Sylvanas thinks that Anduin will use teldrassil as a staging ground to attack orgrimmar
zinc sandal
Lots of blight
heavy cairn
ha, what an "excuse" /s
rich apex
Did y'all really think they were gonna build an entirely new Alliance capital for no real reason
amber briar
We will give Teldrassil to the Horde. We don't care... But give us Lordaeron!
hollow dock
Well no, horde burn down teldrassil
heavy cairn
I don't care about lordaeron, I'd only play alliance if they got gilneas as a real city
hollow dock
Allegedly
zinc sandal
Sylvanas was like “I want to end this war. By killing two Alliance leaders. Yes, this makes sense.”
hollow dock
No no mess
Not even killing tyrande
Just malf
That was her plan.
Kill malf take teld
Thatll end the war before it begins
zinc sandal
Yes, a sound plan.
hollow dock
100% sound plan
zinc sandal
200%
heavy cairn
because there's not an island with a powerful spaceship nearby...
zinc sandal
The Exodar can’t fly
hollow dock
The army of the light joined the alliance, we can't use their technology
rich apex
What do you mean Blizz isn't going to just let the Alliance have an objective advantage over the Horde
heavy cairn
fine. because there's not an island with the people who know how to make a powerful spaceship nearby...
rich apex
And have the Horde PCs just sit with their thumbs up their asses as the Vindicaar nukes orgrimmar
zinc sandal
Orbital strike you say? Preposterous.
hollow dock
What? Have the army of the light do what it does to demons but to the horde?
nonsense
zealous basalt
What is this?
zealous basalt
Halo?
hollow dock
WoW was made into halo back in BC m8
rich apex
The Plot isn't a Warhammer 40k wargaming match
hollow dock
Hell
zinc sandal
Why would the Protoss intervene, right?
rich apex
It's not about which side is stronger
hollow dock
Ulduar shows us
rich apex
It's Rule of Plot
hollow dock
that 100%
we have orbital platforms
surrounding azeroth
WHICH BTW
WE DIDN'T SEE AT ALL IN THE SARGERAS CINEMATIC
WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE
heavy cairn
shouldn't we have seen them from argus too?
zinc sandal
They’re invisible :))))))
hollow dock
Someone get this to red shirt guy
zinc sandal
Invisible devices of planetary destruction
heavy cairn
well what about all the worlds in the background we see from vindicaar (in azeroth's airspace, this is after argus rift closes) but not on azeroth?
what explains those?
hollow dock
those are in the twisting nether
heavy cairn
how can we see the twisting nether in azerothian orbit?
hollow dock
oh wait
I misread that
didn't see the after argus closes
uh.
mhgmm. Where do you see other planets?
Or do you mean Azeroths twin moons? o=
zinc sandal
^ ?
heavy cairn
after killing argus the unmaker and watching the cutscene, there are void planets when you look out the window
zinc sandal
In Argus’ Vindicaar or Stormwind’s?
zealous basalt
Argus vindicaar
zinc sandal
??????
heavy cairn
sorry, the instanced antorus one that opens up after argus the unmaker
hollow dock
Azeroth I know has 2 moons orbiting around her, though one of them disappeared for a few years and has reappeared
zinc sandal
Now I’m confused
hollow dock
Ah yea that's in the Great Dark
he's talking the space around the seat of the pantheon
zinc sandal
Oh
hollow dock
Those are just void infected planets within the Great Dark (their name for Space). There's a lot of them out there.
heavy cairn
why can't we see them from azeroth?
hollow dock
We don't have telescopes
zinc sandal
....Because they’re far away?
heavy cairn
but the vindicaar literally is in azeroth orbit at that point
you see in the cinematic, it goes through the rift and goes near azeroth
amber briar
We don't have telescopes but we have spaceship!
zealous basalt
OOOF
hollow dock
So wait, you're not talking about the...
mhmm
I need to go see myself
I have no idea what you're talking about now. Brb
zinc sandal
Oh
heavy cairn
fair enough
I remember a theory that it was some "shroud" though
maybe related, what was the purpose of the orbital platforms?
hollow dock
defense against the Old Gods re-emergence
heavy cairn
ah ok
hollow dock
Bomb them from orbit and all that
though this idea that azeroth is shrouded does intrigue me.
heavy cairn
well, it was partially derived from the map that shows azeroth, outland, and draenor
hollow dock
It might be why we only see the twin moons. Azerothian nights are pretty starless.
heavy cairn
the art for that image displays azeroth with some clouds around it and it looks like amanthul is there protecting it
draenor and outland do not
hollow dock
Maybe that's what else the uh. Platforms could do
Shroud Azeroth from the horrors of space.
heavy cairn
also would explain why we can't see the platforms lol
they are the shroud
zealous basalt
Holy heck
zealous basalt
Look at those tanks
heavy cairn
[vris] #latest-news-old
zinc sandal
Let the conspiracy theories begin
hollow dock
Was more so poking at the fact that Mak said they were just invisible.
zinc sandal
Memein and memeout
zealous basalt
Heroic antorus cleared by heals only when
hollow dock
Heroic antorus cleared by hunters only when
heavy cairn
when that hunter soloer does it lol
hollow dock
back in Pandaria a group of hunters solo'd all the raids
I want em to do it again =D
hollow dock
kill the boss before we all horribly die
hollow dock
that's pretty entertaining actually
zinc sandal
Exactly!
zinc sandal
Yesss
tranquil steeple
oh lig- I mean... oh void
zinc sandal
It has to be before BfA hits. StM won’t kill then.
hollow dock
Yea
we can't wait on this
someone, quickly. get onto the PVP forums and get some traction for this1
zinc sandal
!!!1!1!!1!!!
hollow dock
they die when it runs out
zealous basalt
Like
hollow dock
so
zealous basalt
At the same time?