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dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 1:32 AM

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i think theyll just remove the rep entirely. the content that you get the rep from wont be relevant in bfa

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but the stories are still relevant for leveling, and that would still require a 110 character and doing the scenario

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i think it works out

meager warren Jul 12, 2018, 1:49 AM

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I for one hope they keep the rep because it takes like, maybe 30 min to an hour per day for about 2 wks to get exalted with all legion factions

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And i mean, rep is basically progressing in the relevant factions trust so idk

tulip sun Jul 12, 2018, 1:53 AM

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And DI/Maghar are for testing most likely

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Yeah I doubt theyll take out the rep, nor do they really need to

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allied races arent normal races, theyre tied to their story

tulip sun Jul 12, 2018, 1:53 AM

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They wont be available at launch(without doing the stoof)

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 1:54 AM

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they might have chosen some annoying factions for the first two alliance, but the other six are very integrated in their story, and give a lot of rep from the story alone

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 1:57 AM

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ANOTHER DAY

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ANOTHER DAY WITHOUT ANNOUNCEMENT

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 2:05 AM

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give it till friday then we can worry

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 2:05 AM

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WHERE IS MY BURRITY

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BURRITO*

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Can we riot?

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 2:10 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/434832040618098728/466767375811870720/Sethrak_Bow.gif

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sethrak got their own bow ready idle

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left is the old one, right is new

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 2:11 AM

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sethrak clearly an allied race

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 2:11 AM

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...

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That's tease

meager warren Jul 12, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Have they made sethrak with snitties?

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 2:15 AM

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Stop that

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Do we know what if anything is going away FROM the prepatch when BFA goes live? Aka, do I need to rush a Horde up to 110 just so I can get all the permanent unlocks that come over the event? (Aka the mount?)

frigid crater Jul 12, 2018, 2:30 AM

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http://www.wowhead.com/what-to-do-before-battle-for-azeroth

Wowhead

What to do Before Battle for Azeroth

What you should complete before the end of Legion, including artifact challenges, Cutting Edge, Violet Spellwing, First Aid achievements, and Ashran.

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:30 AM

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No, that's before Prepatch.

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I'm specfically asking about prepatch content that would go away with BFA launch.

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 2:31 AM

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if you get the teldrassil hippogryph you get the undercity plaguebat on horde

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atleast thats how it works on the ptr

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:32 AM

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Even if I don't have a 110 horde?

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 2:32 AM

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yup

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:32 AM

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and that's the only difference unlock wise other than experiencing the story which I can resort to a video for if needed?

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 2:33 AM

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yes, though I recommend doing it, as its quite good

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:34 AM

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If I didn't need to be even remotely close to 110 I'd do it while its fresh in an instant, but there's no way a boost is in my budget, and I have 0 horde characters. If Blizzard would make the DH unlock account-wide instead of server I'd be fine. Or even if they did a way with the 1 per server limit since gold missions are going poof.

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I'm a super new player, but my understanding is there's no low-level version of the event or massive way to level up like the legion prepatch.

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Thank you both @restive sage and @uncut vault . None of my guildies could figure it out 😃

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 2:36 AM

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only takes a week or so to get 1 to 110

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Before zone scaling I'd have believed it. Its just so slow now, even with heirlooms.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 2:38 AM

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bird

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bird

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bird is the word

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 2:41 AM

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i got 1 to 25 in a day

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 2:41 AM

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thats the easy part

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60-80 is not an easy ride

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 2:41 AM

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it took me about a week

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to level from 1 to 90 on my first charachter

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then i started not caring at all

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Since you're all well informed. Are Legion paragon caches/emessary caches still giving gold after pre-patch/BFA. Debating whether or not I should push my characters to the next level to clear off their chests.

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 2:42 AM

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DH unlock is account wide

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 2:42 AM

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how much gold tho

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 2:42 AM

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you just can only have 1 per server

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:42 AM

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DH account ISNT account wide. I've tried going to another server and rolling one.

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You still have to have a 70+ character on that realm apparently.

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 2:42 AM

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hmmmmm

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lemme check

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wait

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cant you make a dk now on any server

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and just get that to 70?

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i mean

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they start at 58

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so you only have to level 10 levels or so

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:43 AM

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I'm told that works.

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60-80 is the dead range of slow leveling though.

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Plus, I dont even know if you start with enough money to cover flight

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 2:44 AM

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i mean

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you only need to get to 70

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and leveling in wrath isnt that bad

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also you unlock base flying by default

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i think

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that was added in 7.3.5

wild star Jul 12, 2018, 2:45 AM

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I remember my paladin having to run back to unlock flying..but that might have been me not quite hitting 60 before 7.3.5

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 2:45 AM

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hmmmm, it might still be locked

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but i dont think its that expensive

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and if you ask nicely in general chat, people will generally help

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 3:09 AM

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i was zooming through 60 to 80

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got out of there in like 2

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days

tulip sun Jul 12, 2018, 3:19 AM

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https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765706722?page=1#post-7

Barrens Warfront? (and also Vicious Mounts) - World of Warcraft Forums

We Dialogue and maps datamined(supposedly). It would obviously be Tauren-influenced on the Horde side, rebuilding Taurajo in a similar manner to Stromgarde, while the Alliance builds a generic base. The main purpose of this thread was to throw around what characters would bec...

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@uncut vault Used your quote...where did you find it? 😮

sour burrow Jul 12, 2018, 3:20 AM

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Zandalar Forevah!

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 3:21 AM

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i mean

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even without the quote

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the next file literally is a barren warfront

tulip sun Jul 12, 2018, 3:22 AM

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Where is this info!? xD

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 3:22 AM

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its just currently unmodified

tulip sun Jul 12, 2018, 3:22 AM

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FML

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Anyone know about Device Drivers?

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 3:23 AM

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https://newmaps.marlam.in/WarfrontBarrens/173/6/-10.242/10.547

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ignore flooded mulgore

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thats just a result of how maps are coppied

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anything below sea level looks flooded

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same thing happenes with ungoro on the silithus sword map

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 3:27 AM

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..

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PREPATCH?

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 3:29 AM

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what about it

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 3:29 AM

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Any nees

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News

tulip sun Jul 12, 2018, 3:36 AM

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@dense plover Or IS it a mistake?

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-jaina bursts down wall flooding Mulgore-

sour burrow Jul 12, 2018, 3:52 AM

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So, random question, but it's BfA relevant in that I will need it for BfA now that I've finished all the quests... Does anyone have a suggestion for the best auto-quest (Accept/Complete) mod? I want to use it for my initial few days of questing in BfA.

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 3:59 AM

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dugi questing does a good job, but it might take a while to be updated, and it has a lot of features you might want to disable - though its easily customized to disable everything you dont want

sour burrow Jul 12, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Specifically looking for something that ~is~ being actively maintained, potentially already working for BfA as well.

tropic trail Jul 12, 2018, 4:10 AM

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They announced the end of pvp season being the 17th

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Last I checked, the last PvP season before the next xpac always ends on prepatch day

sour burrow Jul 12, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Yeah, probably one week left.

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Warlocks are looking op

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 4:46 AM

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theres nothing i know of tobias

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dugi is being actively maintained, it just isnt updated yet

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itll probably be updated the day of or the day after

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actually

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i imagine itll be updated over the course of prepatch

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so itll work fine for bfa

sour burrow Jul 12, 2018, 4:48 AM

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And with that, we're finally done. Woo. Two nice-looking guides involving everything we know about Vulpera / Sethrak, heh.

📎 unknown.png

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Dugi... Well, okay, I'll go look it up. ^_^;

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 5:54 AM

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Amazon strikes again with the leaks

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📎 image.jpg

terse patrol Jul 12, 2018, 5:56 AM

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o shit

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Anything else? @uncut vault

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Who’s the death knight looking dude

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 5:58 AM

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arthas

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https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61bZe-ddDAL.jpg

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https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71U9pxu1f0L.jpg

terse patrol Jul 12, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Whats with Jaina in a boat with the boat man from the river Styx

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 5:59 AM

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no clue but hers seems to be current day only

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azshara and sylvanas both have flashbacks

karmic copper Jul 12, 2018, 6:03 AM

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Why did blizzard add the wod LoW into these... we wanna forget that expansion

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 6:16 AM

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What exactly is spoilers about the calendar though? I mean, it’s BfA stuff sure, but there’s nothing new I think

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This is all stuff we already know right?

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 6:16 AM

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we didnt know who was getting the three animated shorts, or what theyd be about (aside from one centering on teldrassil)

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 6:16 AM

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Oh ok

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 6:17 AM

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6 new art shots too

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Yeah, I think the Jaina boat one might be related to her being cast out to that isle off stormsong valley

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 6:18 AM

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would explain why we havent been getting them yet this close to prepatch, stretched out over the whole launch, not just before the prepatch

tender coral Jul 12, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Guy, I need some advice.... I just can't decide what I want to main for BfA. Its a hard draw between sub rogue and arms warrior. I like both but don't have the time to play both....
My main focus is M+ and PvP. Any advice? What do you think is the "safer" option or overall favoured spec in this upcoming patch/expansion?

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Well, I'd go arms as it has better off alt-specs, and is a generally well received spec going into the xpac so getting groups will be easier

karmic copper Jul 12, 2018, 6:27 AM

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Is fury good

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 6:28 AM

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Very

tender coral Jul 12, 2018, 6:40 AM

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I heard they have an aggro problem in dungeons due to the aggro reduction on tanks. but this is only second hand information, since I don't have beta access myself

dense plover Jul 12, 2018, 6:41 AM

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Meh, you just need to use taunts and aoes as a tank now. It isn’t optional anymore

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It’s only noticeable if the tank doesn’t taunt or use aoes

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And is never a problem with bosses

tender coral Jul 12, 2018, 6:46 AM

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So it will be a problem with every random tank in the game, who doesn't know crap :^) and peopel will search for dds with anti aggro mechanics, to compensate bad tanks xD

mint osprey Jul 12, 2018, 7:03 AM

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who is more usefull in party of monk(healer) druid(tank) rogue. DK or Hunter?

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 8:16 AM

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Probably a hunter

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It does generally more dps

sage idol Jul 12, 2018, 8:25 AM

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How does DH compare to other mele dps in bfa?

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 8:25 AM

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I've heard only good things about DH

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its getting more complex / fun to play, remains good dps / mobility, many different builds in talents possible

sage idol Jul 12, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Nice ok thx :)
Do you know a good DH Twitch streamer?

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 8:28 AM

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nope. sry

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I would probably stick to DH, but got bored by melee as I mained it almost whole Legion

viral terrace Jul 12, 2018, 8:42 AM

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@sage idol I've been playing DH on the beta and so far, it's VERY GOOD. The class is barely affected by the GCD changes.

sage idol Jul 12, 2018, 8:43 AM

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Ok sounds nice :)

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 9:07 AM

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a lot of the classes are hardly affected by the GCD changes at this point. With the changes they've made since alpha's start.

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Yep

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But r/n the warrior and the dh has the top tier fun class to play as melé dps

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Paladin is dull as always

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The cat feels old

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Very gimmicky

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And the shaman... eh

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I don't really dig into shaman lore ain't my thing

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 9:12 AM

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BfA's mostly continuing the class design of legion, which is different strokes for different folks

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Ídem with dks

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Yeah I agree porte

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:13 AM

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@uncut vault Yeah looks like azhsara,jaina and slyv thing were getting

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Still there are some classes that start the xpac on a better position on the fun tier

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 9:17 AM

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definitely some better on the design tier going from legion to BfA

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in terms of who got attention vs who got some artifact stuff slapped into their talent tree and called good

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Looking forward to Slyv short animation though also not looking forward to it

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Looking forward to it because she;ll be a High Elf at that point before her death it looks like it, but they will try make it look like shes not 100% evil or make us sympathise for her

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 9:24 AM

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well, it looks like theyre drawing parallels between her and arthas

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undead leader marches on a land of elves and kills a ranger leader

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:31 AM

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have you read this? (BFA related) https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8y5iww/bfa_my_thoughts_going_in_long_read/

BFA My thoughts Going In - Long Read • r/wow

Ok so I will go ahead and be the positive WoW shill that I am and give you my run down. First this expansion uses the foundation systems of...

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 9:31 AM

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I have, its a good read, decent opinions

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:32 AM

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Yea

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 9:32 AM

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for all you snake fans in here,we just noticed this

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424120880340140033/466727756072353792/Seth650.gif

Sethrak received an updated ReadyBow animation that matches the newer player animations. Old one is on the left, new one is on the right.

For a comparison, Blood Trolls still use the old ReadyBow posture, as they are not being maintained. This shows us that Sethrak are being maintained for some unknown reason, when compared to the confirmed non-playable Blood Trolls.

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:32 AM

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A lot of people seem to think BFA is going to fail (I don't)

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probbaly an allied race maybe, but if alliance get them I guess it;s better then getting furries

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@urban dew ^^^

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 9:34 AM

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ye,he knows already

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:34 AM

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ah okay cool

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 9:34 AM

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also,""many"" people think bfa is going to fail

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because of the many remarks of blizzard saying "we ran out of time"

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:34 AM

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Yeah, I saw that

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Looks pretty cool

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:34 AM

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I don't agree with them that BFA is going to fail @strange falcon

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 9:35 AM

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and the fact,that the classes arent ""as fun"" because no legendaries + gcd

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:35 AM

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Ran out of time might mean more along the lines of that they couldn't get in all that they wanted

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But that happens in practically every expansion

tranquil steeple Jul 12, 2018, 9:35 AM

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[Stares at WoD]

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:36 AM

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WoD was more of a planning fail

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:36 AM

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I don't see any cut content so far

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:36 AM

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They had some really great ideas, but they tried to set an unrealistic release plan

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:37 AM

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I only have 1 problem with BFA

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and that is the ALlied race bias, thats all

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apart from that I am loving BFA

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:38 AM

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Birbs and sneks

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All I'll ever need

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:39 AM

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I just need High Elves then I'll be happy xD but I hope you get your sneks, Snek! and hopefully birbs xD

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:40 AM

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I still stand by my speculation that Blizz will give us a ton of allied races

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 9:43 AM

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doesnt get high elves >> aLliEd rAcE bIaS

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:43 AM

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Well the Allied race system so far is pretty bias

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to horde

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Horde gets all the allied race they want + nightborne as a bonus

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Alliance gets a bunch of ass pulls, excluding Dark Iron cause they are pretty cool!

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tell me thats not bias?

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 9:48 AM

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you didnt want fat humans that can be druids? 🤔

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:48 AM

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no

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they should of just been a human customisation option if anything

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 9:49 AM

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also you may be getting snake people,it would be my only alliance char ever if that was the case,they look KOOL

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🤔

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well,at least thin human is a kultiran customization

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:49 AM

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I mean, it's not like high elves won't ever be added

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:50 AM

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Sure sneks are cool but they don't make up for all the ass pulls we've gotten, I have nothing against sneks personally,

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:50 AM

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They just said no plans for BfA, which honestly, plans can change

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:50 AM

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^

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 9:50 AM

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we need snitties tho

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:50 AM

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Stop that

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 9:50 AM

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never

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also, Dafire

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 9:50 AM

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I curse you and your next 50 generations

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 9:50 AM

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where did you read they were a customization?

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Last I heard, thin humans were only for NPCs

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not the players

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 9:51 AM

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Im of the opinion that sethrak are a good addition for BfA, and that they should make the high elves relevant in the major story again before adding them as an allied race. Something like conflict in QT, for instance.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 9:52 AM

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there's a lot of different ways they can make the high elves relevant ot the story again. Blizzard just never wants to

tropic trail Jul 12, 2018, 9:52 AM

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After I complete the quest Freehold: A Pirate's End, I can't find Flynn in Boralus Harbor

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:52 AM

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I mean I aspect Vereesa to be seen at some point in BFA, especially after being relevant in the comic?

tropic trail Jul 12, 2018, 9:52 AM

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what do I do

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:52 AM

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and yea what Vris said

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Relog, leave the area come back, abandon the quest and do again, if any of these do not work: Make a bug report and list all the things you've tried to get him to spawn in.

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:53 AM

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^

tropic trail Jul 12, 2018, 9:54 AM

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did the relog/ area

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I reported it finally

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 9:57 AM

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Good good!

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:08 AM

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wasn't the point of the allied races that they are basically original races but a bit different? Like, special draenei, special tauren, special orcs, special belves...

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But everyone says allied sneks are a possibility, so I'm confused

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:09 AM

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No, you're listening to the people that call them sub-races.

hard cedar Jul 12, 2018, 10:09 AM

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So...

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:10 AM

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Allied races are races that both factions recruit into their ranks.

hard cedar Jul 12, 2018, 10:10 AM

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Someone on Reddit found what could possibly be future Animated Shorts.

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:10 AM

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For Horde, that means Vulpera, for Alliance, it most likely means Sethrak

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:10 AM

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@hard cedar Yeah, Jaina,slyv and ahzara

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:10 AM

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how's that different from Pandaren? I mean, story-wise we recruited them or smth, right?

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:10 AM

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All it's meant to do is introduce new races without all the pain and suffering of making a starting zone.

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Probably the only thing that bogged them down when adding in new races for expansions

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:12 AM

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but they do have a special zone for them, at least voids and orcs

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:12 AM

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Their small hubs are infinitely easier to make than an entire starting area

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:14 AM

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I personally think that allied races were added so that people will have to level someone, then play through the quests, war campaing, whatever, to be able to get a race they want, and either buy a race change or level this new character and play some more

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:15 AM

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It's a win/win situation for a lot of people

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 10:15 AM

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it was a smart cash grab indeed,and also allied races are very beneficial to new players,as they make the old world more populated with all these people leveling races

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:15 AM

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A huge money maker for Blizz while also bringing in new races for players

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:15 AM

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after all, they could just add those allied people to someone else's starting zone, wasn't it like that with gnomes and dwarves expansions ago?

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:16 AM

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Gnomes and dwarves always started in the same zone, I thought.

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:16 AM

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In the end they’re another way to keep attention through the expansion

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Both through new things to level, and motivation to do content

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:17 AM

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gnomes and dwarves used to start in literally the same spot, and then gnomes were moved to new tinkertown, or whatever it's called

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:19 AM

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Welp

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Internet died, that's fun.

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Who killed it

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:20 AM

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I know I'd spend a massive amount of time leveling if Arakkoa and Sethrak were playable.

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I don't know, could've been some idiot hitting a pole somewhere again.

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:21 AM

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Same here Snek but for High Elves

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 10:21 AM

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Sounds fun

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:21 AM

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I'd most likely be leveling each of their classes to max

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:21 AM

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I'd like to play as arakkoa as well, they're adorable

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but high elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:21 AM

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they need da bitties

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:22 AM

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I'm fighting for Arakkoa

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:22 AM

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are basically voids/bloods with night elf voices

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:22 AM

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I think they got a good shot in BfA

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:22 AM

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they aren't vale.

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That's how they are in game because blizzard is lazy

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:22 AM

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yes, but if blizzard weren't lazy, what would be the difference?

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well, new voiceover

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Well, funny thing is in BfA, High Elves started getting their files properly named.

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Yep Snek, a lot of stuff done to Hig helves after that Q&A

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Showing that Blizzard at the very least cares a little

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Better aligned voices, elves that are far more humbled, better models to differentiate the two races to more than just eyes.

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Like they outright awknowledge

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HIgh elves are different

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to blood elves

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in game

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:24 AM

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but what IS the difference between highs and bloods?

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:24 AM

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I mean, main difference is one is Alliance and the other is Horde

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:25 AM

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eyes

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:25 AM

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lore

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:25 AM

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I'm gonna guess ideals and attitude too

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:25 AM

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I mean, appearance-wise

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belves are basically unlikable high elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:26 AM

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They are a race that's lowered their blood lines, humans have mingled more with high elves than blood and they should be reflective of that.

The High elves are also a far more humbled people than the blood elves as a society, lacking the Sunwell's radiant power and keeping their honor intact by not draining the life essence of creatures and such.

There's also the eyes, hair styles and colors, skin tones would match up but other than that.

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:26 AM

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Honestly, appearances can be adjusted. Look at Kul'tirans. They're basically stocky humans

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:26 AM

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High elves should be a bit less lithe than their blood elven counterparts. I actually have a good mock up of one lemme fetch it

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 10:26 AM

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High elves HOO RAH

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:26 AM

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Which I do honestly love

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 10:27 AM

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sneks and birbs can go suck a

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Toe

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:27 AM

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg9-QPmXUAAAUXh.jpg:large here ya go.

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Forgot the artist that made it

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:27 AM

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Rude

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We don't like toes

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:27 AM

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but stocky humans at least don't reuse the same model

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Anyway jokes and memes aside

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Hence why I was saying appearances could be adjusted

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Void elves have the same model silhouette. As do the nightborne.

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:28 AM

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that image reminds me of half-elves, which are supposed to be a thing apparently

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Sethrak and foxes ain't happening

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:28 AM

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As I said Val, this was pointed out in game.

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They should be more human-like than their blood elven counterparts.

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:28 AM

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That seems like blatant denial

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Not entirely half elves, but certainly aren't carbon copies of blood elves.

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:29 AM

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There's a ton of supporting evidence for Sethrak and Vulpera

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:29 AM

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that's what makes me think allieds are special existing races, because they just reuse stuff, mostly

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Which we see isn't true with Kul Tirans.

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:29 AM

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yes

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Really the only requirements to be an allied race is: nothing really.

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You dont even need to be relevant to the story as Void Elves are hella irrelevant to everything until they were forced in

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:30 AM

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All depends on how Blizzard spins it

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:30 AM

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@hollow dock you know that until TBC high elves and blood elves were a single race without any differences described right? so how did they change their appearance due to bloodlines in such a short time?

strange falcon Jul 12, 2018, 10:30 AM

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omake is in the absolute denial stage of grief

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:p

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:30 AM

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Well maxi

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back then

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:30 AM

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or did I miss something?

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:30 AM

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lore was shit

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:31 AM

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bloodline stuff is also related to half-elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:31 AM

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It was unclear, unwritten and hardly edited to fit a modern age.

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:31 AM

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which is supposed to be something else

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:31 AM

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Now it is, and now we see IN GAME REFERENCE to differences between the two races

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:31 AM

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but what's the reason to change that? to justify the difference from blood elves? thats stupid

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:31 AM

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which is that High Elves are no longer as 'High' as the name suggests. They've let their bloodlines sour with the lesser races mingling with them.

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Again

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no

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it isn't

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I've said the reason three times now D=

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if you're not reading it. Please don't continue

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:32 AM

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I understand your description, but what's the reason to even bring this "new" lore? or where is the source of this?

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:32 AM

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There's also the cutting off of the Sunwell, the humbling of the race since Arthas trampled through, the attitude, ideals and spirit of the high elves are intact. All of these things are what the blood elves do not have.

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Theres no new lore

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it's in the old lore

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Literally

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When the high elves fled Quel'thalas

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they went to the refugees of Dalaran

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humans

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they lived with humans

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:33 AM

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that was when?

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:33 AM

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for ages

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arthas

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m8

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are you even following

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:33 AM

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ok TBC, thats not ages man

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:33 AM

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TBC

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isn't

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:33 AM

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thats like 10 years?

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:33 AM

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arthas

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this is end of third war

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over 30 years ago

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:33 AM

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that reminds me, I actually enjoyed that part of Suramar questing where Elisande is all like "kaldorei are this, queldorei are that, sindorei... shaldorei..." there are also faldorei and now we have rendorei....

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:34 AM

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thats still shorter time that a human life

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not to mention elves live much longer

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:34 AM

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thirty years

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:34 AM

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not a single generation of elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:34 AM

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Over thirty years. Nearly 40.

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:34 AM

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still

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:34 AM

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NO

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:34 AM

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at this point in time

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that's several human generations

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:34 AM

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not over thirty years

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

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The main faction of high elves in the world are the ones from Dalaran anyways, which has been a mage based mingling of humans and elves for thousands of years

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

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because sane Arthas actually met the newborn Anduin, who is now 18

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

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Anduin is in his 20s

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not 18

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o>o

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

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uhh

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

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still not 40

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

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No he’s confirmed 18

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

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Nearly 40.

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really?

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:36 AM

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gamepedia mentions several sources which describe his age

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Did the team forget that he has a birthday every single year?

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:36 AM

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It’s been 12 years since WC3

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In canon

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:36 AM

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like, "it was mentioned there that he's 15" and "x years passed since this event where that was mentioned"

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:36 AM

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But regardless, 12 years is plenty of time for the high elves who left Quel’thalas to reunite with the high elves in both lodges and in Dalaran

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Which gives plenty of ways to make them diverse

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:37 AM

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unique customization of belf models, basically

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:38 AM

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and here we are, same model

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:38 AM

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The void elves had no separate personality or identifying traits beyond purple until Blizz made them up in BfA

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:38 AM

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but void elves were supposed to be new, high elves arent

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:38 AM

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And as I said at the start of this maxi: They use the same model because blizz is lazy

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New or old is irrelevant

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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that also raises a question: why do we need voids? What is their significance?

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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and as I said, there is 12 years since TBC, before that, no blood elves existed... thats not enough time for their appearance to change enough

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Hell, there isn't even a requirement to be relevant to the overarching story as Void Elves were literally shoe-horned in

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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I mean, Sethrak/Vulpera originally used the Worgen/Goblin skeletons

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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and again Maxi

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HIGH ELVES HAVE BEEN WITH HUMANS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS

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they helped make Dalaran.

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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nothing new

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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yes, but belves are around for 12 years

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Again

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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High elves lived on many places

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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because blizz

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is

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lazy

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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but they were all high elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Belves haven't been with humans

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for thousands of years

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they've been with elves

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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for 12 years

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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for thousands of years

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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ofc they were...

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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no

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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dont b stupid

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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they werne't

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the elves in Quel'thalas

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never wanted to leave Quel'thalas

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those guys stayed in Quel'thaals

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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please try to think for a while... why did blood elves leave the alliance? think pls

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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THEY NEVER DID

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They never JOINED in the first place

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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I've read it's something about their last King

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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you nincompoop

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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😄 😄 😄

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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uhh

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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now I know you are trolling or stupid

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Blood Elves were never apart of the Alliance

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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The high elves of today never did, the ones in Quel’thalas did, after the second war

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And became blood elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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they were made after the high elves withdrew from the Lordaeron Alliance

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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The high elves of today have always been in the alliance

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Quel'thalas was a part of the Alliance

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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blood elves was just a rename... KaelThas and his army was part of the alliance before a genocide attempt

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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^

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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facepalm

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I'm not bothering

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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for you, yes

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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theyre the same race

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enjoy

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

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adds to facepalm

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 10:42 AM

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Tfw says “aren’t allied races just reskins of existing races” then rants about how high elves, the most requested reskin, would never work because reasons, despite not knowing a thing about current day differences between blood and high elves

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:44 AM

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uhh, are you talking about me?

urban dew Jul 12, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Well, this turned into quite the shit show

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:49 AM

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I was ASKING whether allieds are reskins or if they are supposed to be something else. And that's not ranting, I'm trying to understand that hysterical person who says high elves are different, but explains it in a way that raises even more questions.

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:49 AM

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Valentine are you against High Elves being added as an allied race?

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:52 AM

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not really, at least those are an actual thing that is already a part of Alliance. I'm more against voids

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Ah yeah, the void elves were defo an ass pull

viral terrace Jul 12, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Indeed.

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I like the Nightborne

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They used to be Night Elves but then changed over the years.

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:54 AM

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I think blizzard understands they fucked up with void elves

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however it's too late to remove them

unique meteor Jul 12, 2018, 10:57 AM

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sorry, is that argent dawn facebook group here? 😄

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Honestly, they could probably do enough damage control to mitigate it just by giving void elves normal skin tones. At least that way people who want High Elves (myself included) would settle down somewhat because, hell, at least it'd LOOK like it.

unique meteor Jul 12, 2018, 10:57 AM

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(void elf hate jokes)

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Instead of being like, permanently corpse-rigor blue

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Nope

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giving void elves normal skin colours would be horrible

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it would dilute both of them

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 10:58 AM

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Good morning m8s

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:58 AM

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Morning Makore!

unique meteor Jul 12, 2018, 10:58 AM

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morning! 😛

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 10:58 AM

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So, since no one here can explain the difference properly, I decided to look that up. Here's what I found:

"This article is a copy of "The Warcraft Encyclopedia," an official article by Blizzard Entertainment.
[...]
A crucial difference between high elves and blood elves is that no high elves have decided to feed their hunger for arcane magic by draining that magic from alternative sources (now that the Sunwell is useless). Even today, though, a high elf might still succumb to that addiction and become one of the blood elves."

Now, that bit about becoming a belf looks ridiculous, but was this really-really retconned?

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 10:58 AM

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I must ask now

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Do we have a prepatch date yet

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 10:58 AM

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nope Makore

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 10:59 AM

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We explained it several times now. Using in game differences.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 10:59 AM

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...

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📎 SmartSelect_20180711-132942_YouTube.gif

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:00 AM

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@frosty matrix ye I would be for this, give VE more skin tones and maybe even hair colors / options, to give an option to simulate HE, that would be easy solution which wouldnt hurt anyone I guess

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:00 AM

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It would HURT

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people

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it would make no fucking sense

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and would dilute both of them

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:01 AM

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It would make no sense? Why isn't Alleria blue, then?

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:01 AM

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see? this is again about the opinion

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hard to satisfy everyone

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:01 AM

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She just has the void-y voice and goes all blue/purple when she's channeling the void.

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:01 AM

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Verees aand the silvercovenant and all the other high elves would not have Void Racials

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it makes no sense

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Well

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First of all

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Even if it was only out of combat, same way Worgen can be in their human forms, but are forcibly transformed in combat

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

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The void elves werent high elves

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

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^

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

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They were blood elves

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We...saw that in the recruitment scenario

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

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But the Sunwell has been purified, so a fair-skinned, golden-eyed Blood Elf is well within reason

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Why give them the high elf skin?

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Okay, I googled "high and blood elves in game differences" and it gave me the same results. I'm starting to think "in game differences" is another way of saying "just because"

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:03 AM

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I'm asking why, when Alleria is also all merged up with the void, she looks like her usual self, save for when she's using the void, and why that can't apply to other Ren'dorei

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Since she's the one that's training most of them

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:03 AM

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@zealous basalt Blood elves were High elves, that means Void elves were one day High elves...

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:03 AM

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If she's able to do that, why can't they?

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:03 AM

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sigh

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:03 AM

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...

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facepalm

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Sure

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:03 AM

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Go ahead and facepalm, but I'm legitimately asking for the reason.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:04 AM

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Let's buy them a tan remover

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Not for you seb

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The differences between a blood and high

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Are skin and eyes

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And seb

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If they were to be like Alleria

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Guess what?

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They wont be high elves either

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:05 AM

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the point is Alleria isn't a void elf in the first place

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:05 AM

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They will be blood elves

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And if you want to play a blood elf

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:05 AM

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Alleria got her void powers different way than Void elves

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:05 AM

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The horde is waiting for you

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:05 AM

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Well no, I'm aware of that. I'm saying that people who are asking for High Elves as a separate Allied Race would likely be content enough with non-void skin tones, same as Alleria

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:05 AM

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But it isnt possible

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:06 AM

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But to nitpick, aren't they not Sin'dorei anymore? Same as the Quel'dorei dropped that moniker, didn't those of the void drop the Sin'dorei moniker to take up the name Ren'dorei?

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:06 AM

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Exactly

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But the biological difference remained

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Ie the tanned skin

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:06 AM

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Blizzard knows thats if tehy gave void elves, high elves skin they would get a huge amount of backlash for it

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:06 AM

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What's the biological difference anyway, now that the Sunwell is purified?

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:07 AM

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The biological difference would be golden eyes

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:07 AM

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let's forget that elisande pointed out that there should be a genetic difference.

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:07 AM

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It might seem like I'm being combative, but my knowledge of Elven lore in the Warcraft is a little thin, so these are genuine questions made out of curiosity.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:07 AM

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Same skin difference

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They wont

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Be

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Never again

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High elves

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And again

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Blizzard made them blue violet for one reason

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Because if they were to give them their usual blood elf skin

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Guess what

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They would be just shadow priests blood elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:08 AM

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Before them being in game was a relevant point, high elves used to be able to have all different eye colors other than just blue

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:08 AM

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And that's when Ion dialog steps in

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If you want to play a skinny race

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Elf race*

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The horde is waiting for you

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

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lol I have a Blood Elf but I don't enjoy the Horde

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

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What surpsies me though Makore

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after that Q&A

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

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hard choice then

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

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It's not about wanting it, I was genuinely just asking why.

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

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loads of stuff was done for high elves

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

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Devil's advocate, if you will

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

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in BFA

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🤔

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

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Because the staff wants to prove Ion

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That he is wrong about the high elf community

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I am ok with High elves

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:10 AM

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Half the devs seem to love doing stuff that directly contradicts shit Ion says immediately after the fact tbh 😂

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:10 AM

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😄

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:10 AM

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@hollow dock do you meand this? "Kaldorei? You disgrace a glorious past, hiding in trees and cloaking yourselves in false piety. You have grown as savage as the trolls that skulk about your forests. Quel'dorei? You are peasants playing at nobility, all too willing to mingle with lesser races that dilute your bloodline. You are unworthy of the name High Elves. Sin'dorei? Of all the elves I thought you might understand the choice I made to save my people. Instead you ally with misfits and monsters. Each of you has debased your proud lineage."

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:10 AM

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But a void elf will never be a high elf again

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Hey Valentine

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

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Yes. that line exactly

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'Dilute. your. bloodline.'

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

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That's probably the only thing in lore you can catch on, isn't it?

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

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No

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

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I don't say it's wrong, just saying

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

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you refuse to see anything else

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that I point out

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

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"Each of you has debased your proud lineage"

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YOUR PROUD LINEAGE

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

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Technically, Void Elves COULD become high elves again. They're just missing one crucial thing to do so.

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

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of highborne

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Seb

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:12 AM

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you point out only your opinions and wrong information about Third war, hard to agree with that

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:12 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/pcsAgmU.jpg

Imgur

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Jokes on you

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Blood elves have bloodthistle

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Screw that Horde shit. It's all about the Peacebloom, my dude.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:12 AM

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high elves having lived for thousands of years in dalaran and not Quel'thalas

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isn't an excuse

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Oof

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Also Vris

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The heck are you trying to say there

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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MaXi why are you so against high elves? please tell me?

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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High elves helped humans found Dalaran

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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Yes they did

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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they've mingled with humans

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for thousands of years.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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For long

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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their bloodlines have been diluted

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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Since troll wars and stuff

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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this is why I would say that high elves should look different to ya know

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

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@ruby star I'm not really against High elves, I just don't like when someone spits on facts to prove his point

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:14 AM

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blood elves.

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Who never left quel'thalas

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:14 AM

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Only if they've bred with humans, as some have. If they haven't had babies with humans, just hanging out with them doesn't dilute that.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:14 AM

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Blood elves and high elves should be different imo

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Well

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They were different before

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Look at the first high elf models

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But yeah

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:15 AM

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@hollow dock I agree with that part about Dalaran etc... but this way they could also get a new name, soem half elves... because High elves were those in Dalaran and also those in Qual'thalas before Third war... and you say in that time they were already different, but still both with the same race name... thats kind of weird

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:15 AM

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The corrupt sunwell and the fact that they mingled with fel should have mutated them

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At least since w3

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But we know that Blizzard gets a little lazy with model

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:16 AM

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if blood elves wouldnt change their name in memory to a bloodshed in Quel'thalas, how would you differentiate them? Who would be the real High elves?

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there would be Panda situation

grizzled sleet Jul 12, 2018, 11:16 AM

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PREPATCH DATE IS HERE

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:16 AM

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both factions having different factions of High elves, for different reasons

grizzled sleet Jul 12, 2018, 11:16 AM

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41 THIRSEMBER 2036

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

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....

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Gfdi mimig

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I swear I'm going to

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

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Hey

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maxi

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did you know that

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

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wot

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

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different populations

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of the same race

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can look different

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

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Vris please could you not write 3 words per line?

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please

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

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Look at us for example

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:17 AM

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never

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:18 AM

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hard to create sentences from what you write

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:18 AM

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I look completely different to my mom, but we're both still humans. I think splitting up Blood Elves and High Elves by pointing out any physiological differences is missing the point entirely.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Also Seb

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:18 AM

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By your logic maxi, humans shouldn't look different at all. We are the same race so we should all be carbon copies of each oher

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other*

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Or well

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:18 AM

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and yes I know that, thats why I pointed out they were different and using the same name

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Everyone

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:18 AM

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I didnt say I dont agree with that

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read again maybe

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:19 AM

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I dont see how a high elf should practice void magic

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:20 AM

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don't try to explain my logic based on things I didn't say

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:20 AM

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Exactly Makore, giving void elves, high elf skin is stupid, they need to be their own allied race

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:20 AM

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and you say in that time they were already different, but still both with the same race name... thats kind of weird

this gives the indication that you're saying that they should look the same to be the same race name.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:20 AM

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Yeah

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:20 AM

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the fact that something is weird doesn't mean it's not true, does it?

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maybe I use that word wrong

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:21 AM

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I like the void elves

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Seem to have potential

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:21 AM

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weird to me is like confusing / interesting / dumb mix

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:21 AM

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You're against me in this argument yes? My arguments is that high elves already should be different because we'd be playing a population of them that elisande described

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ones that's ya know

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:21 AM

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Like....lots of potential

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:21 AM

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diluted its blood from pure elves.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:21 AM

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People are just being biased

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:21 AM

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and you're saying that it shouldn't. and that them being in dalaran

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shouldn't give this result that is already stated

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in game

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 AM

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She was referring to Kal'dorei, Sin'dorei, and Quel'dorei alike with that dilution insult

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 AM

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Incorrect

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 AM

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if you would say that for High elves allied race you would specifically take Dalaran elves who lived with humans for ages and became kind of half elves, I would have nothing against it

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 AM

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She was saying they're ALL diluted from the "pure" Highborne

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 AM

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she had a specific quip towards each one, the diluting of blood lines specifically to the high elves

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 AM

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Which is Bullshit because Shaldorei are worse than the tree

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Three

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 AM

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and that they've all turned their backs on the Highborne that is their heritage

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 AM

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I misspoke, I meant "debasing" not "diluting"

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But the reason she said that specifically to the High Elves was because they've bred with humans. The quel'dorei like Vareesa who have had kids aren't THEMSELVES diluted.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:23 AM

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This argument is not going anywhere

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:23 AM

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Their children are the dilution, by virtue of being half human.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:23 AM

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they dont even have to be half.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:23 AM

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Although being half humans should make them better

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:23 AM

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they can be partly

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 11:24 AM

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@strange falcon why denial? I'd love to see that races happening but rationally I realize the probabilities are so low as high elves happening this xpac

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:24 AM

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The point is that pureblood High Elves are still very much a thing.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:24 AM

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half humans re-mingling with high elves to give high elves the prominence in the genetic pool

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:24 AM

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Just FYI, We don't want half elves, it would be another compromise and would end badly

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:24 AM

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That would be really bad

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 11:24 AM

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More races means more options and id never been or will be aganist

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:24 AM

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It is bad enough with rpers doing half breedings

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:25 AM

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I am willing to take more human-looking high elves as depicted here. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg9-QPmXUAAAUXh.jpg:large

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 11:25 AM

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But the so claimed "proofs" are conspiracy theories

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:25 AM

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That looks like Anastasia

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 11:25 AM

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Half elves would be super awesome

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Or half orcs

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Tbh

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:25 AM

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I don't remember who did this model work

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:26 AM

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look cool 😃

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and Ion couldn't argue they are same

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 11:26 AM

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Moreso since its happening ingame

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We have garona

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We have arator

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:26 AM

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but yea maxi. My points are all legitimate to the lore, they don't require retcons at all, they're left ambiguous in lore specifically to be expanded upon at later dates like they did with demons.

sullen dagger Jul 12, 2018, 11:26 AM

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And probably quite more examples I'm not aware of

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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Vereesa bois

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And...that

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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Just blizzard does NOT like writing good things for alliance. the teams on record for favoring horde over alliance in this regard

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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Bias

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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what, Vereesa is also a humanized half elf with diluted bloodline apparently

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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She isn't.

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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she is a half elf

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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She's a full high elf because she was born in Quel'thalas

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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Sure, but it's also about the way you say it, you can't say that blood elves aren't high elves, because they are, just renamed... the differences you mean are elsewhere and long before blood elves even existed, thats important point

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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No

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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SHE MUST HAVE DULITUED BLOODLINE THEN

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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wot

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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she has moved to Dalaran and lived there.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

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She is pure elf

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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she is 100% pure

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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high elf* I meant

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Shitty opinions to the trash pls

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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but still she is diluted

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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That's what I thought

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How the fuck

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Is she

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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her children are in fact half elves.

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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because Vris says so

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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so yes her bloodline is diluted in that sense

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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That doesn't mean that she HERSELF is diluted

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Just Veressa herself isn't diluted :p

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Her children are a dilution

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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sh's pure

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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and you can't argue with him because IN GAME DIFFERENCES

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Not Vereesa.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

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Just because she likes human meat in bars

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Doesnt mean she is diluted

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And again val

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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Maxi's been arguing with me just fine on this Val.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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Shitty opinions to trash can

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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I'm just trying to understand the difference

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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...read the lore?

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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and people tell me about IN GAME DIFFERENCES

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and DILUTION

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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You're not following the conversation then

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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...you are not understanding a shit

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Go to sleep will ya

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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Here allow me to clear up the waters

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:30 AM

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throws weebs

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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📎 61411ee0f40f6806.png

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that's the explanation I got

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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Maxi says that there aren't any differences for the elves because in game they use the same model. So they can't possibly be different.

I point out that a good population of the elves have been outside of Quel'thalas and have been mingling with humans for thousands of years. Thus elisande's point of the bloodlines being diluted, half children being made and remingling with their full blooded brethern to make a new type of 'high elf' one that's more human like and less lithe like the picture I've linked a few times

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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then you all started talking about high elves being different from high elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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I did misspeak on that. it's using 'in game examples'

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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what about bloods then

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PERFECT

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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Blood elves are full blooded elves that never left quel'thalas

half cove Jul 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

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someone misspoke several times and broke my brain

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

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Thus never mingled with the lesser races.

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Thus never had the dilution of bloodlines that the High Elves have

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

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This lesser race can live without mana dependance

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snaps fingers

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

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HEY-O

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

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Capichi?

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I say

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Let's make a trade

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Listen me here

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Because Blizzard seem to hate night elves

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:33 AM

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the issue is that despite all these things they can do, all the thigns they can expand on

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they refuse to

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Let them kill they

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Like

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Extinct all night elf

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:33 AM

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@hollow dock I think the problem is that you keep saying High elves... but Blood elves were also High elves, but different, by saying just High elves, you return all of them into a single bag, this is where misunderstanding starts

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:33 AM

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And put high elf

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Humans are humans maxi

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regardless of our areas and differences.

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One group of humans is still humans

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even if its different to another group of humans

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:34 AM

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I know, but you could say what you say even in the time of Third war, there were no Blood elves in that time and your explanation still applied in that time, now explain

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:34 AM

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So since Warlocks have studied the shadow and fel, and are tainted as such, does that make them different to other humans that haven't, like with Void Elves/Blood Elves?

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:34 AM

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this way he will understand

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Val already understands

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Kul Tiran humans as an allied race? Never happening, they’re just humans! Kul Tiran humans are humans!

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:35 AM

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the confusion was cleaned up

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:35 AM

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ok 😃

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:35 AM

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I say

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:35 AM

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and don't you dare wipe out my precious night elves

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just re-claw them

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:35 AM

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We should let blizzard experiment with Allied races

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:35 AM

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let them be the horrifying warriors that made Grom desperately resort to demons blood.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

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They cant vris

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After Cata

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They have went downhill

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

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@frosty matrix I would say this is about the amount of magic you are influenced by, Void elves were influenced by that Ethereal using some huge shadow spell who was supposed to make them also Ethereal, thats different from casting shadowbolt

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

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It is time

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To retire them

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Very true, but I'll admit to being a little facetious there.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Again Sev

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Se

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...

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Seb

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If Blizzard allowed void elves to change back into their normal form

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:37 AM

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its so hard to read everything with a broken scroll wheel 😦

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:37 AM

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They would be just blood elves high in void

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:37 AM

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but why are they with the alliance if theyre blood elves

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:37 AM

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They had to made them unique in one way

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@restive sage That is explained in game in their recruitment scenario

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:38 AM

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@restive sage they were banished because of void magic could harm Sunwell, they were told to stop using / studying it but they didnt

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:38 AM

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the blood elves that made up umbrics group were exiled sometime between the rebuilding of the sunwell to be filled with light and not arcane

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to now in legion

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

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nuuuu void magic is beautiful thing 😦

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

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Alleria saved them from a bad fate

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

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alleria happens to find the ritual to turn them into void elves, they become blood elves and the ritual fails. then they joined the alliance.

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that's how blood elves became void elves and then joined the alliance

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

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ooooooooh

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🙂

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

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You fucked yourself in that sentence

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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though umbric does make note that he was probably going to defect to the alliance anyways

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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I think you meant Umbric, not auric

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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-_-

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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since the horde just wants to use them as weapons most likely

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I never made any mistakes

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you all are crazy

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Still

uncut vault Jul 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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You did it twice 😛

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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I like how small lore they have

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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yea

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Vris is just biased

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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mhm

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he is

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Because her night elves are trash

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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nope

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never

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and my night elves

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are beautiful warrior women

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you shut your face

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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^

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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This is a new generation of elves vris

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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and they can co-exist

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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You have to update yourself

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Git gud

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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fack u >=(

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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^

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Or git goin

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:42 AM

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im with vris on this one

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:42 AM

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I'm just bothering him/her

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:42 AM

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thats so mean

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:42 AM

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It is

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I'm proud of myseld

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:42 AM

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eh its fine :p

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:42 AM

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But it still say it

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Void elves have a lot of potential

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:43 AM

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I know its playful teasing. I never take any real offense to it

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and indeed they do

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I like that they're using them

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:43 AM

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They are using then more than lightforfed

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:43 AM

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how do u fix a scroll wheel

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:43 AM

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But that's probably because Lightforged had stuff in 7.3

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:43 AM

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Umbric and Alleria want to retake Silvermoon, So High Elves and Void Elves could work together, could get some story development for high elves,void elves and blood elves there

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:44 AM

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Everyone will be in the Alliance banter in the future

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:44 AM

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I feel like BFA is gonna be big, I mean big, I feel like blizzard is gonna surprise us, I feel like this expansion is gonna be very big though saying that i could be wrong

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:45 AM

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The Old Gods be comin'

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:45 AM

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it doesnt look any bigger than legion

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if not as big

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Thats only patch 8.0 though

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:45 AM

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:/

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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Legion was pretty small in the start tbh

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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for all we know we could go up to 8.6

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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r u calling legion tiny

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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Only 4 zones

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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Blizzard has a lot tio play with this expansion

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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@ruby star I'm sure it will, you can feel it everywhere with all the unexplained parts, secret parts, not knowing anything more than 1 boss after first raid, we know almost nothing...

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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And a limited 5th area

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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They've really upped the content cadence

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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i feel like people said that with every expansion

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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@cinder knoll Exactly, It feels like it's gonna be massive perhaps going up to 8.6

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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Slayer

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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hi

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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You say that because you werent at start

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:47 AM

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i watched youtube for some years

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._.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:47 AM

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Legion did look a little small

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Now it is really big

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From 5 zones to 8 zones

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:47 AM

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i didnt really like legion 😦 dont like the theme

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:47 AM

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Me either

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:47 AM

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@restive sage in Legion we knew from start about Guldan and Nighthold at least, we knew about Emeral Nightmare, about Legion invasions... the only real surprise was Argus

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:47 AM

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Too much green kinda

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Hurt my eyes

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

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yea

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

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Looking at the new intro screen is refreshing

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

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I'll be so glad to finally say goodbye to "fel-scarred green landscape" for one goddamn expansion

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

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So far we have two large zones Kul'tiras and Zandalar, each has 3 zones in them, Nazajar and Plunder isle has also been dartamiend (just file names)

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

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hell we even knew about TOS because it was located on Broken Shore

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but what we know now? nothing 😄

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compared to Legion

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

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We only know datamined stuff

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

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Nazajatr is assumed for 8.1 and so is plunder isle

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thats pretty big

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:49 AM

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🤔

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:51 AM

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I feel like patch to patch is going to be very dynamic as the war continues

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:51 AM

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So we can assume
Kul'tiras & Zandalar = 8.0
Nazajatr & Plunder Isle = 8.1
then all those other patches whcih could go to 8.6 if blizz is going big dick

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:51 AM

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8.10

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:51 AM

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I imagine that territory shifting hands and such is going to be a thing

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:52 AM

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@zealous basalt Yeah, I mean that would be great

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:52 AM

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I mean. We already know hte outcome.

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:52 AM

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w8

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kul tiras and zandalar wont be the only places?

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:52 AM

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Inb4 Blizzard takes all the isles around the maelstrom

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:53 AM

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Likely not, no. New locations tend to be added in later patches. Isle of Thunder in Mists and Tanaan Jungle in WoD, for recent examples.

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Then, of course, Argus in Legion

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:53 AM

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though Nazajatr & Plunder Isle does seem liekly for 8.1, unless they do them late 8.0 whicH i doubt it

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:54 AM

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new zone in first patch would be uncommon, wouldnt it?

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broken shore was 8.2, tanaan was 7.2? not sure there

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Well

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Azahsara is 8.1

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so I assume her zone would be 8.1

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?

restive sage Jul 12, 2018, 11:54 AM

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sowwy i dont know how dis stuff works

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:54 AM

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who knows, could be double kill like with Helya

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:54 AM

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could be

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:54 AM

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I remember the Isle of Quel'Denas was as late as 2.4 I think it was? 🤔

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:55 AM

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ye QuelDanas was very late into expac

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:55 AM

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@cinder knoll Blizzard has really left us in the dark, I mean we assume old gods, but with BFA we have no idea where they are heading

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:55 AM

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I think everyone was expecting Illidan to be final boss

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 11:55 AM

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Legion we had a rough idea

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:55 AM

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ye

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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The final boss is seldom who you expect. Hell, the final boss of Wrath wasn't even the Lich King 😂

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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Illidank

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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Yes it was o=

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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No it wasn't

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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it wasn't the final raid, but it was the last boss

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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It was Halion

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Ruby Sanctum.

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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that was after IC?

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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Yup

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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RS was after IC, but not really apart of it

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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So

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:56 AM

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since it was the inbetween raid of WotLK and Cata

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

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Wtb in between raid of Legion and bfA

tranquil steeple Jul 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

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I think Ruby Sanctum/Halion was just filler challenge content

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

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It was

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

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Calling it the "in-between" raid doesn't remove the fact that it was, for all intents and purposes, the last raid of Wrath tho

tranquil steeple Jul 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

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Yea, so in that case I'd actually say Arthas/Lich King was indeed the final boss.

cinder knoll Jul 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

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last raid yes, but not really expac finale

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

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Yes, they just crammed another boss in there as 'filler', but it is what it is.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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If it's filler, then it's not meant to be the actual thing. just fill in time

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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He didnt mean ic

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He meant that in general

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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It was released after ICC, it was still in Wrath.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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He means the final boss of WotLK my dude. Which was arthas.

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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I'm just talking chronologically

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Call it

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Chronologically

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Extra boss

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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is different

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to the expansion

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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You're such a pedant, oh my god

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 AM

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since RS wasn't it's own tier

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You called a non-tier raid the final boss of an expansion

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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As. A. Joke.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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then went back and said it was just from the chronological stance

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how do I know its a joke when you give no indication that it is

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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With all the fun you suck out of chat, it's a wonder you don't have a better sense of humor.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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I will take you seriously unless you actually give some way for me to see it as a joke

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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Because it was such a ludicrous statement to make, I assumed it would be taken as farcical.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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Vris roleplays a Night Elf

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What do you expect

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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Ahhhh

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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Never assume

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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That explains a lot

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 AM

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This is why we need to wipe them

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 12:00 PM

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it makes an ass out of the both of us

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:00 PM

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Am rite?

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Wipe Night elves and replace them with High elves

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 12:00 PM

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☝🏼

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 12:00 PM

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I dont actually roleplay a night elf. I roleplay humans, dwarves, high elves, and void elves

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 12:00 PM

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That's...a lot.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 12:00 PM

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I only play night elves on live because they're the only race I like to see in combat

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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But yeah

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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I am a very avid roleplayer, Seb

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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Can we talk about how we are going to burn Blizzard HQ

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If

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They

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Don't

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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So was I, for six years.

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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Fucking

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Annoucne

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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I finally stopped, and I'm so glad tbh

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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The prepatch date

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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I think it's a safe bet that it's the 17th.

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 12:02 PM

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I'll never really stop. I love writing, and thanks to roleplaying, I'm a much better D&D player

tranquil steeple Jul 12, 2018, 12:02 PM

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Don't
need
to
send
multiple
messages
to
make
a
really
long
one

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 12:02 PM

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But why they haven't made a formal announcement is beyond me

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The roleplay community on WoW is absolute cancer though tbh

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:02 PM

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Where is my announcement

📎 SmartSelect_20180711-132942_YouTube.gif

hollow dock Jul 12, 2018, 12:02 PM

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On retail yea

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I dont rp on retail

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

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I rp in retail becus guild and friendos

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But

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After finding an Spanish rp server

sharp bluff Jul 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Wow that gif got old fast

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Prepatch is very close i mean they made the communties post yesterday or the day before

sharp bluff Jul 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Good job

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

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But yeah they need to anamerican mpunce it

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

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It still makes me chuckle tbh

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Announce it*

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Damn phone

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

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What do you mean with old fast

tranquil steeple Jul 12, 2018, 12:04 PM

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That it got old fast 🤷

sharp bluff Jul 12, 2018, 12:04 PM

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Asking won’t make it happen faster, and the speculated date is still 17th, and what Selatharia said

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:05 PM

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But I want my formal announcement

ruby star Jul 12, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Its already the 12th thry have 5 days till prepatch

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You'd think they'd make a formal announcement

frosty matrix Jul 12, 2018, 12:05 PM

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They announced Legion's pre-patch like, two days before

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:05 PM

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I want to see

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The #latest-news-old

sharp bluff Jul 12, 2018, 12:05 PM

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Exactly what Seb said

zealous basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:06 PM

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And see like "Oof, prepatch is this week"