so we don't bitch and moan to you.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Want to be unburdened by it? Keep it to yourself
dense plover
you dont get to say what you want in a public forum without people responding to what you said as they will
magic goblet
doesnt give u the right to say someone is wrong for not playing like everyone else
0 right to do that
grizzled sleet
Many people got beta access but they didn't want it and are not interessed at all, they just took a look at what's inside without reporting bugs, very normal, but then, they didn't come here to complain
dense plover
we have literally every right
hollow dock
We're saying you're wrong for not using the beta for what it's intended
ruby star
Thing is your abusing Blizzards trust Hobba
magic goblet
nope
hollow dock
so yes.
hollow dock
If you're using a saw that is supposed to cut wood, but instead are cutting up meat
yes
dense plover
you dont get to say things and not expect any response
hollow dock
you are using hte tool incorrectly
that's the whole point of why a tool is made for a specific purpose
dense plover
unrelated, is Siege of Boralus a mythic only dungeon?
hollow dock
You don't choose it's purpose, the tool is made to accomplish something
grizzled sleet
Yes
magic goblet
u guys are like all the#no changes crowd lol muting this channle
hollow dock
enjoy then. We're not saying to change, but not testing on beta
literally hurts the game
So enjoy buggy launches
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Ah you're back! Welcome sir.
magic goblet
1 how many people are testing 2 one person dosent effect things
hollow dock
If you change beta to stop being a testing ground
dense plover
literally 1 person can change something
ruby star
^
dense plover
i have literally single handedly affected some changes
hollow dock
Remember that whole thing with someone bugging AOEs into the hub cities?
magic goblet
want a cookie
hollow dock
that was 1 person
magic goblet
so do i
dense plover
and either put up or shut up
magic goblet
so can U!
hollow dock
I thought he was muting this place
dense plover
me too?
hollow dock
apparently not
dense plover
guess hes as good at that as he is at beta testing
magic goblet
mrpreach lol more like mr i think inm always right and gets mad when someon hasd a diffrent thought then he does kiss my grits
half iris
Why can't you guys just ignore him? Let him be stupid. But by responding to his dumbness, you're just egging him on.
dense plover
lol
im not mad
im disappointed
you are wasting your chance to change stuff
and then complaining here
and then saying that we are mad at you for complaining
magic goblet
why cuz people dont play how u do guess whats ITS OUR RIGHT TO DO AS WEL WISH WHAT DONT U GET ON THAT
dense plover
lol
ruby star
Lol
ruby star
Beta happens for a reason Hobba
dense plover
they can literally cancel your account if they wanted to
ruby star
Its not your personal playground to have fun
dense plover
no reason even needs to be given
ruby star
^
magic goblet
beta is for testing i get that but with thousonds of people doing so not everyone has to fallow the sheep if we wanna report something so be it if not we wont let people do as they wish u do what u want we do what we want its simple
grizzled sleet
@magic goblet can you just leave this channel and cry somewhere else?
magic goblet
can u stop being a complete dick and realize not everyone does what everyone else
half iris
Just stop responding to him. For crying out loud.
zealous basalt
So
hollow dock
Ensuring the game is at the best possible quality during a time where we are SUPPOSED to break the game is being a sheeple
alright
zealous basalt
One friend is pissed
hollow dock
fair enough
zealous basalt
Because Blizzard wont continue with Shaldorei
Because the nightwell will die
And suramar with it
Not the people
zealous basalt
The place itself
zealous basalt
She says that they will have to suffer more for depending on mana before
I just said
Too bad
hollow dock
No?
zealous basalt
They deserve worse
hollow dock
that's not true either
We literally spent a year
building them a tree
that negates
their addiction
uncut vault
@dense plover mobs are a lot easier so far in the motherlode
hollow dock
motherlore
I saw that port. :p
zealous basalt
Oof
grizzled sleet
Motherlode, arise !
If they complete this summoning, our passage to Kezan will be blocked
hollow dock
that's again
not
true
The sunwell currently yes keeps Silvermoon standing
however
there is a very lengthy time period where there was no Sunwell
city was perfectly fine
Again the people can perform other actions to keep the city magical. just like Silvermoon.
hollow dock
The part of it that we see crumbled yes. The one where the dreadscar going through it. The rest of it was more or less perfectly fine. The city itself was then supported on 'Arcane' Crystals
which was just fel crystals
hollow dock
wat
stop talking to these people
throw chronicles at them
please
cease your weebism, Void
zealous basalt
How do u kno thst svoid
mint arch
hollow dock
see?
mint arch
zealous basalt
Kek
grizzled sleet
Kek
mint arch
grizzled sleet
How far would go to save the world (of warcraft) ?
hollow dock
I'd sacrifice my klondike bar
mint arch
zealous basalt
Oof
mint arch
agile token
The war started with sylvanas and it was inevitable
It was cucked
I feel like it should have started in the book for the sake of a better story of how it starts but then it would not have started ingame
zealous basalt
No pls
zealous basalt
Holy fuck
The rate of AP gain has increased
To..
How do I read this
20 millions per second?
It was 10 before
Lol
I had a crazy thought
What
If we ever get dragon race
Their mortal form ks
Is
High elf?
zealous basalt
No but
It could be really fun
Considering Ion and his words
Wouldnt thst be fun?
"If you want skinny elves for alliance, the blood elves arent waiting for you, the dragons are"
grizzled sleet
And thin humans for worgen ""If you want thin humans, Kul'Tirans arent waiting for you, Worgen are"
zealous basalt
"If you want the greatest faction ever, the horde isnt waiting for you....Alliance either, you dont deserve anything u casul"
strange falcon
gold^
restive sage
the most noob friendly faction is alliance c:
modest berry
wtf why is blizz basically throwing away the stat squish
Like the first raid you get into at ilvl 300, and it's mythic version drops ilvl 380 shit. We go almost a hundred ilvls in one raid tier.
grizzled sleet
They can always do another stat squish next expansion for those ilvls, it's important to have a major ilvl gain between tiers
grizzled sleet
I mean between normal / heroic / mythic
uncut vault
lfr doesnt matter
modest berry
But 15 ilvls, really.
uncut vault
the easy gear to get at 110 is 340
40 levels of gap between easy starter gear and mythic isnt big
grizzled sleet
Yea, you can even get 355 gear from reputation
grizzled sleet
They have to make place for normal dungeon, heroic, mythic before raids. it also include other content like world quests, island expeditions etc... so it's 300 => 340 for dungeons and 340 => 385 for raids
How would like it to work ? +5 ilvl gain between dungeons difficulties then +10 between raid difficulties? it's doesn't make sense
We're most likely going to reach 500 ilvl by the end of expac, not that much
Just like legion. 800 => 1000 ilvl
300 => 500 ilvl
zealous basalt
10 dMage
dense plover
i think this will probably last 3 expaccs
and
just because we get high ilvls, doesnt mean we get high stats
the amount of stat increases between 220 and 385 is much smaller than 800 to 950
so the ilvl can be much larger while still having MUCH smaller numbers
dense plover
yeah, but that changes with level
stat calculation is a % relative to level
so 6 versatility does less as you level
vs 36 versatility doing what 6 versatility did
zealous basalt
When can we have 100% of all stats at the same time
modest berry
We did 5 ilvl then 10 ilvl for raids, for like ever.
Like that's what WotLK did IIRC, and even it had serious powercreep issues near the end.
So I just don't udnerstand how turning that to 11 can help the power creep we see in the end of each expansion.
dense plover
because of backend changes
modest berry
OPh right, Ilvl is all that really matters anymore.
dense plover
this stat squish isnt just an ilvl squish or a stat squish, its both
and its by a lot
modest berry
But, uh, it's not.
dense plover
max level is less than 100k health
modest berry
Since we're already destroying the swuish
by going up hundreds of item levels an expansion.
dense plover
you arent reading
modest berry
I said end of expansion power creep, not raw power creep.
dense plover
ilvl # doesnt matter if they change how much ilvl contributes
which they did
youre not going to end the expac with several 100k health
modest berry
I'm at level 120, with 79.8k health.
dense plover
yeah
modest berry
I was JUST healing someone with 165k health.
dense plover
then they mustve been fully geared in mythic gear or a DK
modest berry
They were around ilvl 360ish.
Point being
that if our health doubles every 60 ilvls
Or we get 80k more every 60 ilvls
dense plover
i mean, again, they plan to do a squish every 2-3 expacs
modest berry
then we're going to end this expansion with like, 500k health.
dense plover
doubtful
maybe close to 300k
thats still a factor of 10 away from where we are right now
oh shit
prior to siege of boralus
but following the jaina questline
ashvane attacks
and this happens
dense plover
modest berry
Anyhow I just think it's odd to do squishes while also doing nothing to prevent you from having to do squishes. Like the problem is ilvls getting outta control, but squishes are just band-aid solutions to much deeper issue.
Oh shit that's some rad phasing!
dense plover
the problem is numbers getting out of control
not ilvl
but dmg and health
my brewmaster has 9281k health on live
he does hundreds of thousands of damage
it makes the numbers pointless
modest berry
But it'll only be a few more expansions 'fore that happens again, ans then we get another stat squish.
modest berry
It's like, we will always hit this issue if they just solve it like that.
Plus the recent squish did sorta mess up some levelling balance.
dense plover
my guess is they brainstormed other methods
and never found anything else satisfactory
dense plover
thats fair
restive sage
whut
wary crystal
anyone know if it's ok to stream BFA beta?
dense plover
its fine
ah
i just found out why you do island stuff
not for azerite
but for rep
the weekly quest gives 1500 rep
as well as 2000 azerite
(i still think it should be more per island and total - islands award less than a world quest currently)
modest berry
I'm stuck dead in a heroic dungeon
How do I get out.
Can't relog, tried that. Can't do unstuck, tried that.
Can't release, the button is just grayed out.
My internet went out shortly during a boss fight, I quit out and went to smoke as I thought it'd take a bit to come back. When I came back I had the Void-Touched debuff (a DK tried Brezzing me), and that's it.
dense plover
ctrl alt delete
modest berry
I did.
Still just strange.
Huh, you can dupe items in wow, you just gotta like crash a worldserver.
Least that's my assumption, I'm pretty sure I cooked something, then when I tried cooking again I had full regeants for it.
tropic trail
Did you preheat the oven?
modest berry
Nah, but my fridge is running
tropic trail
Did you catch it?
modest berry
Plugged her in reaaaal good.
whole onyx
Is Burial Power working for you guys? I didn't get the item provided by the quest giver.
Its given by Ulfar in Drustvar, and part of the chain quest in rescuing Jaina.
dense plover
is that where you go to waycrest manor and empower the skull?
it only works in the waycrest boss fight room
i did it on the stairs between the stairwell and the room itself
whole onyx
No, Ulfar should give you a stone to search for items outside of Arom's Rest.
dense plover
oh
whole onyx
Cause for some reason I didn't have it.
dense plover
are you talking about the runes?
whole onyx
Yea
dense plover
you dont use an item
whole onyx
o.0
dense plover
go to the area marked on the map in olgisr
or whatever
the place over the hill from aroms
dense plover
look for black little shooty particle effects on the ground
just wander around in the area marked on the map
whole onyx
Aight, will try again later
whole onyx
It feels like a workaround for a bugged quest in Tirisgarde Sound x.x
dense plover
no
its just a weird visual
its supposed to glow with the normal glow affect
but it doesnt
sour burrow
I remember something like that during the drustvar jaina questline, looting from the snow. Those black spots would show from farish away, and then the snow pile would show only when you were super close.
I managed to get past those quests without issue,though.
spring solstice
Lol so how stupid am i for wanting to Roll DK right now in prep for BFA?
How are DKs looking?
sweet matrix
Hi all! could somebody give key BFA?
harsh wedge
@spring solstice You might want to join the death knights' discord to get a more accurate answer about that
ruby star
@sweet matrix I'm afraid you'll have to hope you get lucky by seeing if blizz gives you one, or enter a giveaway ๐ Asking for beta keys is not the way to go though
sweet matrix
@ruby star thx,but i would even buy this key
spring solstice
@harsh wedge ahh okay ill try to do that
ruby star
@sweet matrix I'm afraid you won't be able to buy a key either, as it's against the rules
sweet matrix
@ruby star
And how do they play streamers? where do they get the keys
still lily
o3o
Oxyguen just wait for release, it's not even a month away at this point pretty sure
tropic trail
@sweet matrix they get keys sent by their sponsors/ by people working for the game devs. OR they too, enter give aways to get something to stream exclusivly.
Check out Craigslist or some other forum and you might find someone with an extra key
zealous basalt
Pics or never happened
restive sage
can i send the pic here
viral terrace
send it in #screenshots
restive sage
but if i post it wont it get patched ๐ฆ
viral terrace
It's too late now anyway, you've already mentioned there is a way to get to there
viral terrace
And as long as you don't mention it, then they can't patch it
they can't patch it due to a screenshot
if they don't know how its done
restive sage
k
zealous basalt
Be a good boy and report it, okay?
restive sage
i posted the screenshot
zealous basalt
That way you might have more chances to get beta next xpac
restive sage
can i atleast explore a little bit ๐ฆ
viral terrace
They won't patch it straight away
restive sage
alright il do it
viral terrace
I'd say it'd be fine for you to explore after reporting it.
restive sage
๐
viral terrace
they can't really stop someone's curiosity
Just write a bug report and tell them in detail how you did it
so they can then do it themselves and find a way to patch it
restive sage
no
i went on the boat to kul tiras and then i logged out as it started moving
and when i logged back in i was in kul tiras
restive sage
c:
viral terrace
@restive sage how did you come up with that idea anyway?
viral terrace
So you weren't the only person who knew about this?
restive sage
like 2 other people in goldshire did
this guy came up to me and gave me a 111 piece of gear
level 111
restive sage
i need to see if i can get into zandalar hehe
well i told every1 how to do it
use it now while you can
best day ever ๐
viral terrace
Seems he's not wrong
restive sage
mhm
restive sage
anyone wanna explore kul tiras with me
restive sage
what continent is echo isles on
agile token
echo isles is south of orgrimmar
restive sage
does the boat to zandalar come on the right side of echo isles or the left
w8 found it
strange falcon
you mean @jade basalt https://imgur.com/a/OVjooEA
jade basalt
Nope
strange falcon
๐ค
strange falcon
ah,the one where you first get it,
and also that's a rule you just put up yourself
strange falcon
vulpera are weebs doesnt seem right ๐ค HMMMM
restive sage
can confirm you can make it to zandalar on the ptr too
and the dinosaurs are spawned
dense plover
they didnt change it
they added it
there was a placeholder cutscene where magni said stuff
but nothing happened
now the stuff happens
i imagine infusing the panel and gathering azerite in the room still happens
holy shit
they added a cutscene to anglepoint
finally!
thats so much more satisfying than there suddenly being a kraken
verbal badger
dense plover
well
they wont activate the actual cutscenes
those are encrypted
and are not in engine
verbal badger
that's a pretty bad looking ingame cutscene I gotta say
strange falcon
better than the kraken appearing out of nowhere ๐
verbal badger
I mean
it's still a krakken out of nowhere
it goes "hey guys"
then experesionless lady yells at it and they shoot it and it gets sad
and leaves
it didn't actually hit anything
viral terrace
gotta love some datamining
that's how we found out about Kul Tiras before they even announced it
dense plover
its not out of nowhere @verbal badger its part of a questline
you fight the beast underwater
then you go back for turn in, and people are like - we did it, its all better
then cutscene happens
then you fight the kraken, push it back out to sea
then it comes back as a boss in siege of boralus
before the cutscene it used to just spawn
no explanation of why it was attacking or when that started
it just was
and these are in engine cutscenes
they arent supposed to be as visually impressive as the rendered ones
theyre seperate
they allow story telling but take less time to make
so either we get in engine cutscenes, or nothing
dense plover
it matches up with all of the other legion ones
bfa ones
sorry
we dont know what the rendered ones will look like, but i imagine like the post-arrgus cinematic
viral terrace
bfa is more in-engine cutscene based
viral terrace
I said "more" not most
dense plover
theyre just encrypted
viral terrace
Encrypted stuff can be decrypted
dense plover
all the computers on earth could try and it could take an actual eternity
viral terrace
Oh well, we'll see these at launch anyway
It's better not to spoil yourself too much anyway
@dense plover Also, can I ask something. Do you have the beta?
dense plover
yes
dense plover
what bug?
viral terrace
The bug on the PTR where one of your artifact appearances defaults back to the original appearance.
dense plover
idk if thats fixed or not
viral terrace
let me grab a screenshot.
zinc sandal
Question: does the 10% bonus exp from war mode apply in dungeons?
restive sage
dont change the appearance or something weird will happen
dense plover
literally war mode bonuses are only in world
if it worked in instances, everyone would use it
the point is to only help because world pvp will slow you down
the 10% bonus is to make up for that
modest berry
HOWEVER, there really aren't many allies on zandalar, so just go for it. They tend to only come near world quests, so it's pretty safe to turn it on for the horde if you try to stay away from larger towns, and azerite world quests.
Oh is there a wowhead community on the beta?
I need some goons to run dungeons with.
zealous basalt
The heck is happening on #retail-wow
restive sage
i wonder if the kul tiras glitch was already fixed
zealous basalt
Try again?
restive sage
ok il go try it
restive sage
it still works
finite rain
I saw the gif of the vulpera higher in this chat... they are going to be playable? Or how did he/she be one? :O
dense plover
Copy the model using a toy
finite rain
Damn... :P
rich apex
Ain't nothing confirmed until Blizz says so
Or at least a more solid datamine from Wowhead, who tends to be good about no clickbait, saying 'yeah we found vulpera in the player race files'
zealous basalt
Blizzard clickbaiting
finite rain
Because my friends want me @ horde side. This would be the only thing that would pull me to the horde side. ๐ฌ
rich apex
Fair evidence, sure
rich apex
This is why you don't get invested in something that isn't confirmed
zealous basalt
rich apex
Ion: if you want to be a furry, ESO is over there
zealous basalt
Oof
hollow dock
"if you want to play small furry men, then the disguise toy is waiting for you."
viral terrace
There's a video where someone takes the appearance of vulpera by using pickpocketing and on the tooltip it says Vulpera Rogue
frail yew
restive sage
as a draenai?
urban dew
And they did the Heart of Azeroth retrieval quest
And they hold the Heart perfectly
Same for Sethrak
finite rain
We have pandas... f***ing pandas... so Vulpera is possible
tropic trail
scalies
restive sage
Lizards don't have fur
hollow dock
Same difference
hollow dock
same difference m8. Scalies are apart of the Furry community and do fall under their umbrella.
that's simple fact.
hollow dock
Draenei are and aren't furries. Technically.
Since they're supposed to be ripped from tieflings
and not actual goats
restive sage
Draenai r coot
hollow dock
Tieflings being half demons.
restive sage
:o
hollow dock
A race from the D&D universe and all
(Heck, Vulpera share some characteristics with the tabaxi. A cat race.
restive sage
Are u insulting the draenai
hollow dock
Absolutely not. Tieflings are one of the more popular races in D&D.
restive sage
Gud ;)
hollow dock
Hence why I said they are and aren't.
terse patrol
wish they made it more apparent tho
hollow dock
same
terse patrol
match the color with your hair color
hollow dock
also wish they'd just give us the lengthy tails like they're supposed to
terse patrol
ye
i like that more demon looking concept art for draenei they had
with the skinny legs and long tails
hollow dock
that's cuz it was based on what Tieflings were in 3.5/4E.
terse patrol
3.0 tieflings best tieflings
Where their appearances were based on their ancestor demon/devil/yugoloth.
And they werent cookie cutter with the same exact features.
hollow dock
I mean. I have a tiefling that reflected more of her moon elf mother than her succubus mother.
zealous basalt
Weebs ftw
terse patrol
@hollow dock thats a cambion tho
Cambion is a half demon. Tieflings are basically 99% human, but their outsider ancestors blood crops up every few generations, showing up as mutations.
hollow dock
She had no tail, nor hooves. In fact, she only had these very small horns propping out of the back of her skull. o; It's up to us on making them different.
(Also rules have changed since 3rd ed, Tieflings are either naturally made with other tieflings or are born from a demonic contract or a demon forcing a mortal to have their child)
terse patrol
dumb
hollow dock
It allows for a hella lot more customization on the tieflings themselves.
Like imagine your tiefling was made from a balor, they'd be huge, muscular, incredibly strong and might even have a temper.
Sizing up to a goliath's size etc.
terse patrol
I liked old school tieflings and aasimar. Their births were unexpected, and often the subject of either praise or fear/hate.
Made for interesting backstories.
terse patrol
a demon having someone have their child makes a cambion tho
hollow dock
D&D honestly has no cookie cutters in it
Not really?...Again in 5E, that's just what a tiefling is
a half demon, half mortal
terse patrol
Reeeee why simplify it.
hollow dock
That's the point of 5E
to ensure it didn't do what 4th ed did and make you fight three wolves for four hours
doing math and rolls
terse patrol
iโm talking lore
not mechanics
Itโs like how 5e raped Ravenloft.
Itโs a Tim Burton adventure now if anything just to appeal to mainstream audiences.
hollow dock
Oh what I described can be seen as a cambion, or as a tiefling.
since cambions can make tieflings themselves.
Apparently what makes the difference is who did the birthing
Cambions are made from the devils/fiends making the birthing
terse patrol
While I like modern D&Dโs mechanics, they eviscerated the lore just to make it appealing for mainstream audiences.
terse patrol
Faerun, maybe.
Not Ravenloft.
They reduced it to a pocket realm that can appear in any D&D setting as a one off adventure to kill Count Strahd von Zarovich.
terse patrol
@hollow dock Google Curse of Strahd.
hollow dock
Curse of Strahd took place within a prison within Ravenloft tho
where-as I go play something like Storm Kings Thunder which has an ending where you genocidally wipe out most of the giants.
I can say it's been pretty consistent
urban dew
Real DnD players delve into the abyss at level 1
hollow dock
Real D&D players fight Tiamat at level 1 inside her plane of hell
agile token
Is it just me or is my starfall targeter REALLY vibrant
hollow dock
Just you
restive sage
lenny
restive sage
the chat has died
tranquil steeple
ok uh... reporting this, since this does NOT seem intended WHATOSEVER
restive sage
what
uncut vault
yeah all rares are dropping their gear too much
tranquil steeple
That was the first occurance for me
zealous basalt
Oi port
uncut vault
Hi
uncut vault
hmm?
zealous basalt
Someone in normal warcraft chat saying about a message in the login screen
uncut vault
definitely hasnt been one today
zealous basalt
Oh
tulip sun
Ugh
I was really hoping it wouldnt be this tuesday
I dont have my 40 wins yet
24 more
uncut vault
I mean it probably still isnt
no release build on the ptr
and also no announcement at all
tulip sun
I was assuming that is what the shutdown is for
zealous basalt
Probably extended maintenance to prepare servers?
dense plover
lol no
theyre probably putting out a new build
so many bugs to fix
so little time
we will probably see a build every day until we get a build marked as rc
uncut vault
Im still about 200 ranking away from elite on my warrior so Im hoping I get an extra week to relax
feral belfry
peach I did not want to say it there
but LOL
I'm fine with the way they did it
but I really hope most the story/dialog changes
because even without the cutscenes that is some really bad story telling
Just the voice overs and the way they tell it was not really that exciting and thrilling
tulip sun
Did i miss somethin?
dense plover
i dunno
i kind of like the teldrasil story stuff
i think it will feel more impactful having half of it the first week and some world quests
then the next half and more world quests
then lordaeron
feral belfry
Sorry I moved a chat over here because of spoilers Khamnin
uncut vault
Itll have a lot of impact both doing stuff for a week between against the enemy faction
and the final stage all being in one place
for both factions
feral belfry
I felt the story was a bit just bland for me. I mean this is one hell of a big deal to the alliance, etc. I just did not feel the emotion or power in the normal dialog. I'm sure the cinematic team will do amazing stuff.
dense plover
thats because theres no one there
and because it has no buildup
buildup will be fixed with world quests
feral belfry
what about the 800+ people I let burn to death ๐
dense plover
that will be the finale
see, youll have a week of doing quests in the southern half
feral belfry
I was thanked for my work and I rescued no one haha.
dense plover
before the northern stuff/darnassus is up
feral belfry
Oh yeah my point was the story not the quests
dense plover
i like the story too though
feral belfry
I think the quests are a good idea gives us something to do a gear up as well
dense plover
it gives a sense of scale
theres a crap load of armed forces on both sides
and the quests feel like that
agile token
Malfurion 1v100 at the border of darkshore tho
feral belfry
I wonder if the realm was having issues
dense plover
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
feral belfry
I thought the entire zone seem pretty damn dead
feral belfry
I had to click on 5 tanks and there was no horde
dense plover
100%
feral belfry
that makes me feel better it seem so empty so it felt strange lol
dense plover
theres tons of tanks and siege stuff and orcs and goblins
flying machines near the azerite stuff
baricades
invasions of different small towns via WQs
feral belfry
damn
will the invasions move around during the game? or they keeping that to their new pvp instance thing forget the name
during the game as in the expansion
dense plover
an area changes when a world quest happens
agile token
let's not forget this incredible piece https://youtu.be/Z2CprnKRXq4
feral belfry
after launch
zealous basalt
But you know
zealous basalt
I'll tell you
dense plover
it changes with world quests and story quests
at the end, i imagine horde is there maybe?
dense plover
or itll be empty like lordaeron is
feral belfry
No Makore
it's going be the millions of kids saying how their OP and can't solo crap
and mass cries to the stat squish and the ap being dead
feral belfry
haha
It happen before was that after cata? I forget now but it took a week or 2 or more to have it settle down
but I'm sure there is going be a lot of crying people
That music is great I did like it a lot.
zealous basalt
Better that WoD's reused music
feral belfry
My GF gets annoyed when I play WoW music in the car she gets confused why I like classical music ๐
zealous basalt
...Asanjawa
They reused the same theme for two raids
And even so, it was only that music
feral belfry
Maybe there can be a feature
if the alliance beat the horde in the expansion during fights, etc the orcs hunch back
terse patrol
Man, that dark iron racial is crazy good.
feral belfry
uncut vault
this just in: dark iron dwarves have developed trans-dimensional and trans-planetary mole machines
feral belfry
what is it?
floral gyro
i can proudly say i know all three of the people who discovered most of them
It's basically a hearthstone
but you can unlock different locations for it, and iirc your whole group can use it.
It's super thematic and cool.
zinc sandal
Who needs mages. Get a dwarf.
uncut vault
well, mages still have actual useful locations, lol
zinc sandal
Shhh
zinc sandal
^
exotic thunder
meanwhile in the resto shaman discord community bfa discussion channel: https://j.gifs.com/JqMVYD.gif
zinc sandal
Disc ftw
terse patrol
@uncut vault mfw i was going to roll a dark iron mage but now a dark iron warlock or shaman seems tempting ๐ฆ
Dat mole machine
feral belfry
Now to make it so you have to have exalted Thorium Brotherhood and all set ๐
supple wharf
exa thorium bros = 22 fiery core/lava core ๐
tropic trail
Is elemental any good?
Screw it I'm making one anyway the Kor'Kron armor set is just way too good
feral belfry
Is anyone on the beta right now? I'm just wondering what the toy count went up to thanks
zealous glacier
Hello!
Could someone pm me?
I wanted to ask some questions about BFA ( i just don't understand few things )
okay then
urban dew
I can try and answer them
feral belfry
This might be interesting
https://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=280544
https://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=280541
https://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=280547
https://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=280635
https://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=280543
urban dew
I didn't play far into the beta
zealous glacier
o
feral belfry
Seems to be new profession buffs
there is a item beside the professions npc
anyways bedtime
grizzled sleet
If I remember well they are buffs for island expeditions
languid yoke
no those are profession buffs
terse patrol
@feral belfry You need rep with the 7th Legion or whatever in BFA to get Dark Irons.
Not the Thorium Brotherhood
Funny tho how salty Hordies are over Dark Irons.
but tbh
They get a lot of shit they always wanted.
frosty matrix
Can't WAIT to roll a Dark Iron. It's good to be Alliance for once ๐
verbal badger
people say that but if whatever character you make of that race doesn't start at at least lvl 110
noone's going to play the new races
imagine having to level from scratch mid expansion
frosty matrix
I enjoy leveling ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
In any case, if memory serves, the Dark Irons were indeed 110 when you rolled one on the beta, but I haven't played the beta in a month or two.
tranquil steeple
isn't any char created on beta 110 tho
frosty matrix
Could be. I've been in the past three betas and barely played.
I remember rolling a Pandaren in the MoP beta though, and that was at the starting zone, so who knows.
terse patrol
Leveling really isnt THAT bad.
I just do a handful of levels a day.
Goes faster than you think.
verbal badger
sure, but we're talking a while after the expansion launched
you'd already be behind, now you need to level
ofcourse it depends what your goals are
frosty matrix
Your main doesn't spontaneously combust. If you want to raid with a Dark Iron or a Mag'har, it's not as though you'll be totally in the dark until you're able to have your guild help carry you through normals and such to gear it up.
grizzled sleet
You can always race change to new allied race and level an alt that you won't raid with to unlock heritage armor
You don't have to pay money to race change, start of expansion is the best opportunity to earn a ton of gold easily
You can stock some battlenet balance too for upcoming allied races in next patchs
frosty matrix
There's also the option of saving your free boost if you haven't used it yet
harsh wedge
And changing mains is not a problem, I did it several times over the course of Legion, just took some weeks to get back into the game, and should be easier in BfA than in Legion (no legendaries, everyone has the same "artifact" research, etc)
clever ember
All allied races will be starting at lvl 20. None will start any higher. You can boost them if you have them unlocked, But you wont get the heritage armor. DID, Mag'har, Zandas and KT will have to be leveled to from 20 -120 to unlock the armor too. While LFD, HM, VE, and NB all have to be leveled from 20-110 to get heritage armor.
verbal badger
says who?
clever ember
Says blizzard.
verbal badger
ok then surely you have a source
post it
because you see, I happen to have watched a q&a where they said they are taking into account things like starting at a higher level but are not certain yet
so by all means
give the source
grizzled sleet
I don't have time to look for a source, but I can confirm what @clever ember said
clever ember
Thank you Mimig. Pretty sure Ion stated it in one of the Q&As also.
agile token
It's known that allied races all start at level 20, since they all start at the same place and accept the same quests after you make your character
And they said it about the existing ones
verbal badger
so basically we don't know
terse patrol
No.
verbal badger
yes you don't start at 120 that's what the achievement says
clever ember
No, that is for the heritage armor.
terse patrol
We start at 20
clever ember
Once they hit 120, you unlock the armor
terse patrol
Then level to 120
verbal badger
where are you getting the 20 from
I just went through the recent q&a
s
there's no mention of all races startinga t 20
terse patrol
<_>
verbal badger
basically there's no way blizzard releases a race mid expansion and has you start at 1 or 20
clever ember
They're not going to change the allied race system. All the current allied races we have start at level 20. Why would BfA races be any different?
verbal badger
and if you had played when tbc released you'd understand why
because start as belf or draenei was crap since you had to re-level and not have access to current content for a while
the current allied races start at 20 because they were released early
so you have time to get them up to speed
clever ember
Dude, i've been playing wow since vanilla. I did play when BC went live.
verbal badger
it's pretty simple
it's a lesson they learned
and why hero classes are a thing
and why they started at a higher level
viral terrace
If you want to play as the allied race when you unlock it in the middle of the expansion, Blizzard will either expect you to level it or buy a race change to change your race that the allied race.
verbal badger
rather than force you to go from 1
clever ember
But they are legion races, released towards the end of legion. They all have to deal with the legion storyline. Why then did they not give them to us as 110 instead of 20.
viral terrace
Hero classes start at higher levels due to the fact that they're hero classes.
verbal badger
because they're here to fill the gap when you got nothing to do
viral terrace
They're different from normal classes
verbal badger
throw 2 races make them level an alt
it doesn't take anything away from anyone
the expansion is done
clever ember
We wont be getting DID or Mag'har until we are well into level 120, and have completed the war campaign.
verbal badger
sigh...once again
hero classes are the result of the lesson they learned during the TBC launch with the belf and draenei release
where players realised it sucks to play old content on the release
of a new expansion
and so did the devs
viral terrace
I don't think they did it due to that....
verbal badger
right
restive sage
Huh
verbal badger
it's the magic of a dk that has him start at a higher level
we'll uh
take taht explanation instead
frosty matrix
The thing is though, those are hero classes
These are races
Different kettle of fish
verbal badger
yes but it's the same thing concept wise
you give the player an option for a new thing to play with
frosty matrix
How? Pandaren started at level 1.
viral terrace
Pleau, you're clearly just jealous that you have to level the race to get the heritage armour.
viral terrace
Instead of coming here arguing about something so small "Oh the level they start at is unfair if the hero classes start at a higher level"
verbal badger
I just saw a bullshit statement
like
"new races start at 20"
and said as if it;'s some guaranteed fact
viral terrace
it is...
verbal badger
when in reality there's no source for that and it's anything but fact
viral terrace
The allied race system will make the races start at 20
verbal badger
then I provide a reason for why it probably isn't
and I'm hit with
"it is"
"you're jealous"
ok then
viral terrace
It is though...
Why would they make legion races start at 20 but not BfA races?
It wouldn't make sense.
And then people would complain
viral terrace
And Blizzard would change it.
verbal badger
people have nothing to do in game
subscriptions are probably running dry
you give some shit for them to do
namely level an alt
is it such a hard concept?
viral terrace
To get some cool heritage armour
verbal badger
who even cares about the damn armour
viral terrace
A lot of people I imagine.
frosty matrix
Quite a lot of people, actually.
frosty matrix
Blizzard is paying more attention to functions of the game outside of max level end-game content, you realize.
verbal badger
I am not sure you realize that's why I'm saying it's likely the races don't start at 20
it's not about end game
a new expansion isn't about end game
or rather
not entirely
but if you want to know what I mean, regardless of what happens with this
when BFA launches spend 3 days on a low level character leveling while your guild or friends are playing in BFA
and you'll understand why it was shit once
and probably won't happen again
though maybe a lot of people have forgotten how it was to level a belf paladin
clever ember
You wont have access to the BfA allied races as soon as the game launches.
frosty matrix
You don't have to neglect your other characters. You can race change if you don't care about the armor, use your free boost if you haven't already, level on the side with other friends who want to play a character of that race, and so on
clever ember
You have to level up to 120 on a toon and do the war campaign. To unlock DID and Mag'har. Zanda's and KT wont be out at launch. They'll be patch content later in the expansion.
frosty matrix
Also, to my understanding, the bulk of the war campaign which will be required to unlock DI and M'H, is done at 120.
Some is done from 110 onward, but the meat of it comes at the level cap.
So you won't even be qualified to roll a Dark Iron until after you've already maxed your main, and played them at 120 for a while.
viral terrace
Your new Allied Race character will start at level 20
verbal badger
and we're back where we started with "facts"
frosty matrix
From the official WoW site's page on Allied Races, which includes the Dark Irons and Mag'har
"Once you've recruited an Allied Race, you can rediscover Azeroth through a revamped leveling experience--"
There's been no change to that which would indicate any Allied Races are exempt from that process
viral terrace
When I unlock Nightborne I plan on levelling a nightborne from 20 - 110
to get the heritage armour
frosty matrix
Yeah, I did it on my Void Elf and the armor is bitchin', I dig it.
viral terrace
I'm only 11k rep away from exalted
frosty matrix
Nice!
I've unlocked them all, but only bothered to level my velf to 110 thus far; got distracted by Field Medic and the Mage Tower appearances, and the other such stuff that's being axed come pre-patch.
viral terrace
I purposely race changed my DK to belf to get the rep
frosty matrix
I had no Horde toons even close to max level, so I used my free pre-purchase boost to get a 110 Horde pally that could run the allied scenarios ;;>_>
viral terrace
Also, if you guys didn't know. Non-level 110 characters can transmog their weapons to the challenging appearance that would require 110 to unlock in the first place.
I thought you'd have to be 110 to use the appearance in tmog
agile token
Hero classes started at the higher level because it wouldn't make sense lorewise
That's literally it
The most important reason
viral terrace
Demon hunters started at 98 due to the fact they were imprisoned all the way until Legion
frosty matrix
And DK's were literally soldiers/heroes/etc. prior to their death and subsequent raising. So they're already battle veterans.