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terse patrol
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Then who was the old god peach

hollow dock
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C'thun is the only one to not have one since he was exhausted of his army.

terse patrol
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Which old god spoke to us there

dense plover
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you can whisper and not be whispering from the portal

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those two arent mutually exclusive

hollow dock
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The tentacles we see I always assumed was from the Hydra

dense plover
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we have heard nzoth before

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but we havent met it

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2 different things

calm plank
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are we sure it was N'zoth?

dense plover
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theres some nzoth audio in bfa

calm plank
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where can I find it?

dense plover
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looking

hollow dock
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there's also whispers at the broken shore attributed to N'zoth no?

calm plank
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broken shore?

hollow dock
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prior to 8.2 being a thing and all

dense plover
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maybe?

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i dont remember those

calm plank
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me neither

hollow dock
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I and a lot of other people heard them

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when we were off getting out skulls for the jellyfish mount

calm plank
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ah yeah maybe

hollow dock
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It was whispers akin to that of Yogg-saron's "chanting" whispers inNorthrend

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only in some areas of the Pre-8.2 broken shore

grizzled sleet
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Pre 8.2 Broken Shore ? Oo

zealous basalt
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...I was sane enough to not got there

dense plover
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ok, no nzoth vo

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i goofed

worthy jolt
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do someone know the name of the music that sounds like city of gold intro but more calm?

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can't find it in the ost

dense plover
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ost isnt out yet is it?

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its probably part of the dazar'alor themes

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is it brass or some kind of flute?

worthy jolt
dense plover
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yeah

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thats not official

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lots is probably missing

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also

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thats old as hell

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try this

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hub night

worthy jolt
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yeah it's this one thanks :D

dense plover
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๐Ÿ˜„

hollow dock
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@grizzled sleet the Broken shore before 8.2 turned it into a quest hub was open for us to walk around in

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it just had a lot of big health elites

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but if you were stealthy, you could maneuver around

grizzled sleet
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I mean

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8.2 ?

hollow dock
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er

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7.2

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my bad

uncut vault
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legion vs bfa ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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I dislike that theyre doing this

sullen dagger
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what's the change?

uncut vault
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3d asset no longer show through other armor

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tabards and robes

hollow dock
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We're sad

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about no clipping

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what

uncut vault
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clipping that looked good and worked with all robes and tabards

hollow dock
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Agree to disagree there

uncut vault
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these will not be a thing in BfA

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no necklace or tiger

hollow dock
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Why exactly?...

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the pants clipping is pants clipping

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the head piece is a separate thing to a tabard

uncut vault
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because theyre a 3d asset, and robes and tabards now override all 3d assets

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necklace is on the chestpiece

hollow dock
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Ah.

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Sucks to suck then. I don't use tabards. ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

strange falcon
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i dont use tabards either o.o

terse patrol
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why do people bitch so much about clipping'

strange falcon
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because people need to bitch about something

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regardless of what it is

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or if it's good or bad

zealous basalt
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The worst clippinf

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Was the tiger heada of the monk

uncut vault
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I dont care about clipping, and this clipping was liked by a lot of people

strange falcon
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@zealous basalt the tiger head and necklace is part of the chestpiece,and it clipped through tabards

zealous basalt
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No

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Not those

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The tiger heads of the challenging skin

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The lightning blade just went through your leg

strange falcon
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the challenge skin for WW monk

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is two tiger heads with light blade

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in the middle of the mouth

zealous basalt
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WHATEVER

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It clips

uncut vault
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that wasnt really a model crossover issue, that was an animation issue

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most races hold fist weapons too far in now

viral schooner
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8.1 raid zuldazar 8.2 queen azshara, nzoth + memory raid bosses from the akuna loas new memory elementals 8.3 titans come back with reformed sargerus, illidan get with tyrande since malfurion died 8.4 azerotg titan soul born we all go after void lords

uncut vault
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lol

strange falcon
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that sounds like an indian fanfiction

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perfect for bollywood

hollow dock
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@terse patrol I bitch about clipping because clipping looks horrid

terse patrol
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It doesnt always look bad

hollow dock
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It looks bad more often than it looks good

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I am happy its gone

strange falcon
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imagine the trenchcoats from bfa

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clipping horribly

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ugh

hollow dock
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You already know it's clipping horridly with the legs

dense plover
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dont think its intended

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since some pieces have it

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and others dont

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literally some armor just has 3D pieces missing

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its almost definitely a system wide bug that isnt an immediate priority

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game can still be played with sad armor

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game can not be played with crash bugs or bugs that stop you from completing quests

zealous basalt
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Sad armor

dense plover
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theres been no official comment so it is likely to be a bug

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especially since it works on some armor but not others

uncut vault
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I sure hope so

zealous basalt
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At what digit a number becomes unreadable?

hollow dock
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depends on the person

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formally, it's when you hit 10 zeros (since you replace it by the x10* )

zealous basalt
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Have we reached that with the artifacts?

hollow dock
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Nope

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its just at trillions

zealous basalt
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It looks like a lot in this moment...

granite heart
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any news with the uther's tomb and what was the redesign intended for?

dense plover
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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

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probably meant to be done in legion

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and it didnt happen

terse patrol
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inb4 holy undead uther

granite heart
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@dense plover nah, he received a new model too

dense plover
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i think its more likely there might be a taelia questline taking her around azeroth

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and uther's tomb is part of the arthas story

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which is neccesary to explain bolvar's story

granite heart
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getting ready to face daddy

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bolvar

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+1 reason to main ret/prot in BFA with this ๐Ÿ˜„

dense plover
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i dont know about facing him

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most people dont know bolvar is LK

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but telling her what happened, how she ended up on Kul Tiras and what caused the northrend campaign

granite heart
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idd, only handful of ppl of the alliance as I remember, which one of them (Tirion) is dead

dense plover
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i mean

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all DK's know

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sylvanas probably knows

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uhhhh

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its a small population

granite heart
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noo, that's the whole point

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Sylvanas would go batsh*t crazy

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if she knew LK is still there

dense plover
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no

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she hates arthas

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not lich king

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arthas is dead

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thats what matters

granite heart
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Arthas as a human and a paladin didn't commit those crimes against the elves

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Arthas as a dk done that

dense plover
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still arthas tho

granite heart
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btw how is the state of ret in BFA so far in the beta?

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m+, raid tests, pvp?

dense plover
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unknown

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class balance started recently

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many changes are expected prior to launch

granite heart
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thanks

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lets hope the mistakes made in the beginning of legion are not repeated

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undertuning of certain specs

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and making them not welcome to mythic dungeons

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as ret, fury, frost dk, fire mage

terse patrol
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doesnt Sylvanas know about Bolvar already? @dense plover

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I swear I read a story about her going to the Frozen Throne and seeing Bolvar on the throne, encased in ice.

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And was enraged at the fact.

hollow dock
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Sylvanas is possibly aware by now. But her beef was with Arthas.

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Not the Lich King.

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It was arthas that wiped out her home and enslaved her. Not the lich king. O.o

dense plover
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^

terse patrol
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the Lich King ordered him to go there, to ressurect Kel'thuzad.

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sooooo

hollow dock
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So?

granite heart
terse patrol
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The Lich King is why Que;

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Quelthalas fell

granite heart
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there is the story about her visiting the frozen throne

zealous basalt
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She doesn't care about the boss

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She cared about Arthas only

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Not this Lich King character

dense plover
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^

hollow dock
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Shes not even explicitly angry at a new lich king. It even says she has no idea why she was so infuriated.

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When she comes to the realization, shes mellowed out

uncut vault
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only people that know that the lich king is actually bolvar are jaina, darion, and varian

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sylvanas knows there IS a new lich king

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but doesnt care who

terse patrol
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i think she'll end up working with him

hollow dock
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She wasnt risen by the helm. So why would she?

terse patrol
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I mean by choice.

hollow dock
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I repeat my last question.

terse patrol
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Gut feeling.

hollow dock
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rolls eyes

uncut vault
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I dont think she'd explicitly work with him unless under very specific circumstances, but when the time comes, if we need to fight bolvar, I doubt she'll be that keen on it

terse patrol
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"She serves the true enemy."

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The undead can't be influenced by the void.

sullen dagger
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void friggin lies and its the definition of deception

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it's more tan capable to add some half truths to twist your belifs

zealous basalt
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The true enemy of Alleria is the Horde

rich apex
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The Void is not a credible source

hollow dock
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Feelsbadman people keep forgetting that voids whispers are personalized and not generalized

forest lynx
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^

uncut vault
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the new draenei bar pose is great

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:3 incarnate

restive sage
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:3

terse patrol
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meh, I think it's silly to ignore everything, especially in relation to Alleria.

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She's able to sift out the lies of the Void, to an extent. The Void does tell the truth, as well as lies. It's just hard to differentiate them.

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I do think it's something of note, though. Something to keep in mind in BFA, the whispers Alleria hears in the comics.

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After all, void whispers have ended up being the truth before, hinting at future content/story.

hollow dock
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we're not ignoring

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we really aren't

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but you're wedging in something that has little to no connection. Which is taking the void at face value rather than for what it is

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personalized manipulation

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As I've constnatly said Honk

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Alleria was given three whispers attacking three different emotions of hers: Her fear, insecurity and hate.

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Horde is and always will be Alleria's true enemy. Legion, Light, void, to her they're secondary as the horde is what destroyed her home.

restive sage
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y does horde consist of weird people

hollow dock
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the horde has been, from day 1, the bad guys of barbarians that are only together for survival

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and nothing more

restive sage
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theyre the bad guys?

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but the horde players i met told me the horde people arent the bad guys

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

hollow dock
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they invaded azeroth. They waged a war to destroy most of the eastern kingdoms. they brought the legion invasions, the undead, etc.

restive sage
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._.

hollow dock
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Those same horde from the first war are still in there.

restive sage
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o.o

hollow dock
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First war was only what. 30 years ago?

uncut vault
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I still like that blizzard retconned the one thingthat kiiiinda justified the horde being there

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with chogall waking up the old gods

restive sage
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how many wars have their been before battle for azeroth

hollow dock
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Let's see.

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Which ones are you counting

zealous basalt
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7?

hollow dock
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from when Azeroth started recording history

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or from the first war

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cuz that matters

zealous basalt
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First 3 wars

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Scourge war at vanilla

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The scarab gong

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and many other oofs

hollow dock
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Cuz there was the Battle for azeroth prior to ALL of the ordering of azeroth.

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The elemental wars before that.

restive sage
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wut

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there was the battle for azeroth before battle for azeroth??

hollow dock
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The first conflict that was waged for Azeroth was between the four elemental lords

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Ala'kir, ragnaros, neptulon, and Therazane

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they fought each other for the planet.

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Then the Old Gods came, the old gods waged war with them and enslaved them

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then waged war with each other

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then the titan forces came

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they waged war with the old gods forces

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then the aqir were left over and waged war with the zandalari

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then the zandalari waged war with the night elves

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then the night elves waged war with the Burning Legion at their invasion of Azeroth during the Well of Eternity event

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then the War of the Saytr happened which neutered out the Saytr population and Saytr high command

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Then we have the worgen epidemic. Not much of a war but it's a pretty hefty conflict that got solved.

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Then after that we have the war of the shifting sands

restive sage
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jesus

hollow dock
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THEN we have the high elves fighting the amani and the humans fighting the amani before that

restive sage
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u sound like wow nerd

hollow dock
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and even before that the humans foguth with each other

restive sage
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did u read the books

hollow dock
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and even before that the Vrykul fought with the Ice giants up in northrend

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jumping down to the high elves, the next war was over stormwind with the gnolls

restive sage
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._.

hollow dock
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and kobolds

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Then we have the first war. Then the second war.

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then the third war

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then the scourge invasion

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then we have the events of vanilla

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then the events of BC

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which had like three separate wars inside of it

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Ther'es a lot of war in warcraft

restive sage
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war

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war never changes

uncut vault
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people saying "wow thats a lot of history" on that history of wow video ion did

restive sage
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but what about the great titan war

uncut vault
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they have no idea

hollow dock
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That wasnt really a war. Sargeras just threw a hissy fit and killed the pantheon

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they really don't port

restive sage
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that was actually an attack on titan reference buuut

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thats alot of war

hollow dock
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yea it is

restive sage
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is there a war going on in battle for azeroth

hollow dock
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Yea

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the faction war

restive sage
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:)

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r u an alliance player

hollow dock
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And the blood troll war

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and the Kul Tiran civil war

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and the Zandalari Civil war

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that's like four wars

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at the start of the expac

restive sage
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._.

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what happens as an expansion progresses

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does the story progress

hollow dock
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wars get resolved.

restive sage
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does more content get added as an expansion progresses

hollow dock
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Yes?

restive sage
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like raids

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c:

hollow dock
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Have you not played through an expansion of WoW before O.o

restive sage
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no

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i started a few days after 7.3.5 came out

dense plover
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each patch usually adds a new area

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a new raid

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sometimes a dungeon

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new story stuff

hollow dock
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Yea. Every few months new content comes out that trickles

restive sage
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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

hollow dock
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so like a month or two will pass with no content

dense plover
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and then usually some kind of endgame repeatable content

restive sage
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._.

dense plover
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well

restive sage
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thats okay, im slow anyway

hollow dock
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but that's just farming the raids

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and letting people catch up yea

dense plover
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between the first and second raid is usually a few months from last week of lfr

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and that cycle follows until the last raid

hollow dock
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depending on if the cycle ends on a holiday

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like it did with Legion

restive sage
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._.

hollow dock
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to answer yoru earlier question, yes I am alliance

zealous basalt
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Wow, Slayer, first expac transition?

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They are fun tbh

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Like...WoD

hollow dock
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Yea. But don't expect to much.

zealous basalt
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Those fucking queues

hollow dock
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Legion's launch was fairly smooth

zealous basalt
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i loved it tbh

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I was doing my rp when i saw the exp bar at 1 am

restive sage
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yea first expansion transition

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am reely excited

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i was hoping it would get delayed by anothe r year or 2 so i had enough time to do some other stuff but its whatever

hollow dock
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Trus tme, the next expansion gap will give ya plenty of time

zealous basalt
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I felt this xpac really short

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But again

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WoD

hollow dock
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It's a 2 year expac IIRC.

zealous basalt
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WoD was 3 right?

hollow dock
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technically

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yes

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technically

zealous basalt
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It felt like a torture the last 6 months

hollow dock
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I didn't bother to play at that point

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I just kept playing the Legion cinematic over and over waiting

zealous basalt
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it was horrible

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At least in Legion we are getting some fun endgame stuff

restive sage
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That moment when you type something in the wrong server

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oh jeez

hollow dock
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where'd ya type?

restive sage
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omg im so lucky that my messages dissapeared

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i would have looked so weird

signal patio
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I wish ele shaman was good

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Such a shame.

hollow dock
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Number tuning hasn't passed for DPs specs yet

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don't write them off yet

signal patio
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It's the mechanics that are bad

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Hopefully one of the devs will re-roll and we'll see buffs lol

hollow dock
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I mean

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Unholy's mechanics were bad midway through Legion.

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A numbers passing turned it into a competitive spec that was fun to play

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g ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

signal patio
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To me that says they haven't learned

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I guess I'll play fire mage

hollow dock
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Or as they're still experimenting and altering things in the experimenting and altering phase of development

signal patio
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Nah

hollow dock
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Nah that's logical thinking

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blizzard is just dumb and I know better than them

signal patio
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Too late in the cycle for any major changes

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Shame

hollow dock
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As I just described, and Ion described to you, major changes

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aren't needed

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to fix a spec

signal patio
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Hopefully they get looked at before christmas

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I guess I'll wait and see :'|

hollow dock
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As I just said. They nerfed unholy into the ground midway through Legion as it was a dominating spec

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they alterd its numbers a few months later and bam

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it's fixed

signal patio
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and as I said, it's not about numbers

hollow dock
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it is tho

signal patio
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nope

hollow dock
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Procs, numbers.

buffs, numbers.

All this shit is just numbers

signal patio
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nah

dense plover
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It is 100% about numbers

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Also, if it isnโ€™t numbers, what is it? Since you seem to know so much?

hollow dock
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I keep revisiting the Unholy situation as it's really the closest thing that Elemental is currently going through

dense plover
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Enh shaman became good in two builds via number tweaks

hollow dock
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but clearly players know more than the devs. :p

dense plover
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@signal patio why isnโ€™t it the numbers? What is it?

hollow dock
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he said it's 'mechanics'

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And that's when I brought up the Unholy situation

signal patio
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@dense plover calm down mate

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Fucken hell

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They've turned ele back into the old version ele from early WoD

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Huge target swap issues

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Flame shock has been made objectively worse and unfun

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Step backwards

hollow dock
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how tho

signal patio
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You know it's bad when the main people writing the guides and running the discord are re-rolling lol

dense plover
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Saying something isnโ€™t fun isnโ€™t helpful

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They canโ€™t fix something with criticism saying this isnโ€™t fun or itโ€™s bad

hollow dock
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Again we're asking you but you're not really giving us much information

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In which most of the information and feedback given on Elemental has been written much like Unholy was in legion. Calling for a full rework of the spec and what not. Yet Unholy was fixed with simple number tweaks. These number tweaks included increasing how much RP that Death Coil drained, adding a stacking buff to it's free Death Coil count, increasing how many stacks are applied while decreasing how much are popped of festering wounds baseline and nerfing its most OP legendary to let others shine.

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All of which is a number tweak to the spec, didn't require a full rework, and here are people loving the spec again

signal patio
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Ok, in the interest of butting my head against a wall of white knights... totem mastery is effectively the same as legion - a talent that gives you unnecessary shit to babysit on a tier where the other two talents are actively worse for DPS. Removal of gust of wind. Overall less AoE in the form of CL generating less maelstrom. Echo and Ele blast now on the same tier instead of one being made baseline. There's an overall confusing mix of themes - either "spam lightning bolt and hope for procs to proc to help mix up the rotation" or "neuter yourself to avoid having to spam LB in favour of having more buttons to press/more interesting rotation". I'm not writing off the spec entirely, I'd just like it to get one more solid pass of changes before launch.

hollow dock
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You say that can't be fixed in number tweaks, but right there. Altering how certain spells work and changing their proc rates would absolutely fix most of your issues.

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=|

signal patio
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Yes, some of it is numbers, but not all of it

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Cherry picking is bad, man

hollow dock
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All your complaints you just listed are numbers issues.

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CL generating less maelstrom which means less AOE, well OK we can up the generation rate. (Number tweak.)

Echo and Ele blast same tier (Swap them around on the talent or just bake one baseline as you suggested. Number tweak.)

Spamming LB to get procs out of hope (Up that proc rate to make it more fluid. Number tweak.)

Up the other talents competing with Totem Mastery (more number tweaks)

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I'm not cherry picking these

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these are all what you've said

signal patio
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You ignored gust of wind and the fundamental issue presented by Totem Mastery

hollow dock
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Lemme ask ya. What's our current build on beta?

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cuz wowhead says its in build 26367.

signal patio
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idk

zealous basalt
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26999

hollow dock
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In which, Totem mastery is unfun because its a micro. Alright. If you want this talent used, how would you alter it to make it fun? Since clearly upping the other two so you dont have to take it isn't the answer.

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Gust of Wind's removal just removes a small movement CD. (The range it actually pushes you isn't that large.)

signal patio
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A small movement CD that made the spec's mobility feel special, rather than it's now homogenised state

hollow dock
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So you feel the specs identity has been lost by this talent's removal?

signal patio
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Diminished

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I think totem mastery would be great as either: every type of element damage caused has a chance to spawn the relevant totem of that element

hollow dock
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alright that's one issue that can't be fixed with a numbers tweak I'll give you that. It's also a heavily subjective alteration :p

signal patio
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or a rotating buff like Incanter's Flow

hollow dock
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So a tweak to it rather than making its other talents more competitive?

signal patio
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Well, yes to both ideally

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Tweak != refactor of the talent's functionality so no actually.

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(yes to improving the other two talents on that tier)

hollow dock
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It'd still be a tweak and not major rework as you'd be asking. Since that's what tweaking is.

signal patio
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Okay, well I'm not really interested in arguing about semantics ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

hollow dock
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Frost DKs have been going through these same tweaks

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One build they removed Pillar of Frost and made the Obliterate talent into it.

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Then reversed it.

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and this is after the 'no major changes' announcement.

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

signal patio
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I hope to share your optimism one day

hollow dock
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If you just keep up with what the teams doing and follow along with their development blogs and Q&A's. As that's what I have for my optimism. I'm a DK main and was in an uproar when they nerfed my precious unholy.

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Then it's number tweaks came in and it made the spec fun again.

restive sage
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did someone say my name

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:)

signal patio
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I'm tempted to play DK

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Frost seems crazy

hollow dock
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thankfully when they nerfed down the Breath of Sindragosa build over in Frost one patch later, they also upped the other two builds it has

zealous basalt
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Feels nice to play with the other specs

hollow dock
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Frost is pretty fun. Though I much prefer Unholy.

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and the addition of Apoc baseline made the spec fun again.

signal patio
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What makes unholy fun? Never played it

hollow dock
#

You hit Strike twice

#

you pop apoc

#

you're now a necromancer

zealous basalt
#

kek

signal patio
#

What do you mean

hollow dock
#

The rotation is what's fun for me. The opening into spawning an army of dead every 1.5 mins

#

the methodical rotation makes me feel at home

#

that and hte idea that your festering wounds you apply to targets are actually boils and you're popping them gives me joy and comedy as I'm just making boils on this dragon

zealous basalt
#

narroes eyes dragons?

hollow dock
#

yea. Deafwing as I farm for that stupid blazing drake

zealous basalt
#

oof

signal patio
#

The main thing holding me back to rolling a DK is the low mobility... how tolerable is it?

hollow dock
#

Oh it's absolute fucking garbage

#

feels bad every time the boss moves ten inches

signal patio
#

๐Ÿ˜

hollow dock
#

At least now after ten years

#

we have a knock back immunity

#

everY 45 sec

#

But otherwise, dks are just meant to have low mobility

zealous basalt
#

...You know

#

DKs might have a low mobility

#

But

#

Ripping out the movility with chains of ice to the classes that depend on it

hollow dock
#

eh. I'm not a PVPer

zealous basalt
#

Im telling you

hollow dock
#

I only PVE.

zealous basalt
#

Doing that to the monks and dhs

hollow dock
#

so I wouldn't know much on that side of things

zealous basalt
#

It's really

#

Satisfactory

#

And more to those hunters that keep all the day jumping

hollow dock
#

do hunters still mindlessly jump around for no reason in PVP?

zealous basalt
#

Yep

#

Makes me really angry tbh

#

Don't know why

hollow dock
#

I don't know why either

zealous basalt
#

I have seen them in PvE too

#

Why the heck do you keep jumping?

hollow dock
#

what is it with hunters not keeping their feet on the ground. Is it like some hidden buff Im not aware of?

zealous basalt
#

Do you want a prize for playing the easier class in the game?

#

Sure

restive sage
#

yes

zealous basalt
#

Come here, it's on my axe

restive sage
#

the class i play is so hard

uncut vault
#

I do it cause it looks ridiculous on female belf

restive sage
#

i play a fury warrior ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

#

is monk easy in bfa?

uncut vault
#

Turning around as you fire an arrow

zealous basalt
#

adsfas

hollow dock
#

stick to your Fury

#

it's good

zealous basalt
#

Belves are the one that trigger me the most

#

and now that they are in both sides

hollow dock
#

nelves for me

#

nelf males specifically

zealous basalt
#

Im like

#

"Ohh, here, I got a present for you"

#

death grips

#

chains

restive sage
#

does that mean monk is hard

zealous basalt
#

Nah

hollow dock
#

Nah. Just Fury is better

zealous basalt
#

Monk is easy as heck

restive sage
#

monk looks fun

zealous basalt
#

But fury is easy and really powerful

restive sage
#

i like fury but

hollow dock
#

it's a lot more micro than Fury

#

by micro, I mean micro managing.

restive sage
#

people say im trash at life and that i should uninstall

#

๐Ÿ˜ฆ

zealous basalt
#

Monk is fun

#

And

#

Everyone was bad at the start

hollow dock
#

^

restive sage
#

ive been playing for 13 years

zealous basalt
#

Didn't you say this was your first exp transicion?

restive sage
#

yes

hollow dock
#

Shit, I used intellect gear on my warrior because I was told it made me smarter.

zealous basalt
#

Well

#

You did it wrong

restive sage
#

and just like that it turned into a creepypasta

zealous basalt
#

You needed int in your weapon

hollow dock
#

Oh yea I knew that

#

started stealing the holy pally's weapons after I figured that out

zealous basalt
#

Did they say something?

hollow dock
#

they tried

#

but I shouted them to interrupt em everytime

zealous basalt
#

Gr8 counter

restive sage
#

will wow ever have any horror added to it? any killer dinos in bfa???

zealous basalt
#

Depends tbh

#

People have different ways to react to horror

restive sage
#

i react to horror by turning off my computer

#

c:

hollow dock
#

I mean

#

Depends really

restive sage
#

when i encountered the bug on the ptr where your weapons get huge when you change the appearance i thought it was very bizzare and ran away from my pc ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

hollow dock
#

WoW has some 'horror' aspects to it in the undead areas like Duskwood/Karazhan.

restive sage
#

the undead race is so scary

#

first time i saw it i nearly had an accident

hollow dock
#

Karazhan is a horror area in basically all of the novels/comics/manga

restive sage
#

didnt karazhan get turned into a legion dungeon

hollow dock
#

Part of it was.

restive sage
#

c:

hollow dock
#

the raids still there and all

#

just its back entrance was made into a dungeon entrance

zealous basalt
#

backdooring

restive sage
#

are any other raids coming back in bfa

zealous basalt
#

Doubt it

hollow dock
#

Though, I'd say Grim Batol, Antorus and Blackwing Descent/Lair are the real horror areas of WoW.

restive sage
#

i want wotlk to somehow come back ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

zealous basalt
#

Grim Batol is

#

OP Horror

restive sage
#

the whole expansion

zealous basalt
#

It is a cursed mountain

restive sage
#

๐Ÿ˜ฎ

zealous basalt
#

With twilight dragons inside

restive sage
#

do not make me tag the moderators

hollow dock
#

that's all I've said on the subject you can't prove anything

zealous basalt
#

baited

restive sage
#

yes i can

#

๐Ÿ˜ 

hollow dock
#

oh yea?

#

prove what

restive sage
#

wat?

zealous basalt
#

The forbide

restive sage
#

prove what?

zealous basalt
#

forbidden P word

hollow dock
#

yea. What are you proving

restive sage
#

im proving that your talking about something that isnt allowed to be talked about

hollow dock
#

How exactly am I talking about something that isn't allowed to be talked about when I haven't said what can't be spoken about?

restive sage
#

it can

#

wait what

#

how are you talking about something that isnt allowed to be talked about?

#

pfft by talking about

#

it

zealous basalt
#

nani

hollow dock
#

How am I speaking about it when it's not been spoken?

zealous basalt
#

You are thinking it

restive sage
#

what hasnt been spoken

hollow dock
#

In which, wouldn't you be the one speaking about it since you're wanting to frame me for speaking of something that isn't allowed to be spoken about?

restive sage
#

Vris - Today at 10:25 PM
where you can only play WotLK
forever

#

Vris - Today at 10:25 PM
Well there are places out on the internet

hollow dock
#

Indeed. I haven't said what that is.

zealous basalt
#

she can be talking abbout wotlk classic

hollow dock
#

^

restive sage
#

considering wotlk classic isnt a thing

hollow dock
#

Your implications are empty.

restive sage
#

he cant be

#

hes clearly implying that said places out in the internet exist

hollow dock
#

And they do. It's the internet.

restive sage
#

and he says ONLY play wotlk forever

hollow dock
#

Indeed. As I said, it's the internet. However, none of this actually directly breaks the rules.

restive sage
#

it does

#

your speaking about something that isnt allowed to be spoken about

#

in a channel that it doesnt belong in

hollow dock
#

Thusly, I haven't done anything wrong and rather, you're the one doing wrong by implying I am speaking of this thing even though I am clearly not speaking about the thing that can't be spoken about.

#

As you're the one speaking about it and not I

restive sage
#

you clearly are and am implying that you by what your response is to what i said after you said what you said which is what i quoted you on saying

hollow dock
#

Even though that text doesn't exist?

restive sage
#

what text

hollow dock
#

indeed, what text.

restive sage
#

you do know moderators can see deleted messages right?

hollow dock
#

The text that you declare to be quoting me on for implying to be speaking of the thing that cannot be spoken about.

restive sage
#

i also have saved this text in one of my messages so i can prove that you have spoken what should not be spoken and then proceeded to say you have not spoken on it because you cant do that

hollow dock
#

If I haven't spoken about it because I can't do it and you've told me that I cannot speak of it because I am not able to speak of it here, how exactly am I breaking the rules by following them?

restive sage
#

you are not following them considering you spoke about what is not to be spoken

zealous basalt
#

I know how to coutner u

#

Slayer

hollow dock
#

also t-rex scene in Jurassic park. Callate

restive sage
#

what

#

counter mee?

zealous basalt
#

You implied vris to be a dud

restive sage
#

a dud?

#

milkdud?

zealous basalt
#

facepalms

hollow dock
#

he means dude.

restive sage
#

r u not

zealous basalt
#

vris is a bot

hollow dock
#

Of which I never say which gender I am. For I believe that to be an assumption of what I am.

restive sage
#

which clearly implys that you arent a dude

#

and theres only one thing besides a dude

hollow dock
#

Of which, those that do assume of me, I find in offense of what I am.

zealous basalt
#

kEK

restive sage
#

are you one of those that think there are like 50 genders or something

hollow dock
#

Absolutely not.

restive sage
#

uhm

#

then y dont you like being considered a female even after you implied that your not a dude

zealous basalt
#

I imply Vris is a nerd

restive sage
#

that isnt a gender

#

is it?

hollow dock
#

Because I am neither. Male/female, these are simple sexes. I am an attack helicopter.

zealous basalt
#

:c

restive sage
#

an attack helicopter?

zealous basalt
#

Vris identifies its sexuality like an apache

hollow dock
#

Yes. Specifically of the apache model.

restive sage
#

do helicopters have pen0rs

zealous basalt
#

u pervert

hollow dock
#

No we do not.

#

Although

#

for directly stating that

restive sage
#

when is a moderator gonna walk in on this convo

hollow dock
#

I can have you reported for sexual content

restive sage
#

what

#

this is discord you cant do that

hollow dock
#

There is still a ruling authority within this discord

restive sage
#

what does this have to do with bfa?

zealous basalt
#

Lots

#

Have you ever heard about RP?

restive sage
#

i am now going to link everything i said to battle for azeroth

hollow dock
#

I have no idea. What does anything of what we've done in the past 30 minutes done with BFA?

zealous basalt
#

You can be anythign you want

restive sage
#

this is the new bfa rp system

zealous basalt
#

RP in Beta

#

ofc

hollow dock
#

Ah I see.

restive sage
#

yesss we have saved it

#

c:

#

i hope and admin reads this and just questions everything

hollow dock
#

Oh trust me

#

this is nothing compared to the normal hyjinks this chat gets into

restive sage
#

have you seen the pictures in the french chat

zealous basalt
#

Ye

hollow dock
#

Back when this was just the PTR chat, we had a whole 5 hour discussion about Vore

restive sage
#

do u see the one with the baguette

zealous basalt
#

wat the heck

restive sage
#

yea

#

it looks weird doesnt it

terse patrol
west relic
#

sighs

terse patrol
#

@west relic wtf u want u wanna fite?

west relic
restive sage
#

(โ•ฏยฐโ–กยฐ๏ผ‰โ•ฏ๏ธต โ”ปโ”โ”ป

west relic
#

โ”ฌโ”€โ”ฌ ใƒŽ( ใ‚œ-ใ‚œใƒŽ)

restive sage
#

._.

hollow dock
#

that picture fits this chat perfectly

west relic
#

Yeah, just going to ignore the above wall of crap and suggest we get back to the channel topic.

#

Please and thanks.

restive sage
#

yes

west relic
#

Oh, wait.

signal patio
#

/clear

#

๐Ÿ˜ฆ

static scarab
#

feel like the horde gone to the dark side wish overlord had become our leader instead

agile token
#

Nice

#

Scholomance is one of the most fucked up horror stories in wow

lime kiln
#

For anyone in the Beta, is the quest Storm's End bugged for you too?

granite heart
#

when is prepatch coming live?

wispy turtle
#

Anyone here in the Beta who can help me out?

small citrus
#

Anyone have experience with how long it takes to get rep with 7th Legion on beta ? havent been able to find much info on it

tame scaffold
#

Its not the fastest thing in the world. world quests can give like 75 rep each. biggest burst is when the faction is an emissary quest then you can get 1500

small citrus
#

fml - guess I have to endure not playing DI for a while then

agile token
#

You don't have to rush it

#

Not at all

grizzled sleet
#

Quests + world quests for 3-4 weeks + emissaries and you're exalted without rushing

small citrus
#

fair - not too bad then. I'm gonna rush it tho, cause I dont have better to do ๐Ÿ˜›

viral terrace
#

Is the way we get Nightborne still going to involve Legion content or not? I'm pretty sure the way we have it now is just temporary until BfA releases?

balmy ingot
#

qeustion. voicechat is in LFG active?

still lily
#

@balmy ingot I don't think it is

balmy ingot
#

no

#

BFA changed dungeons

#

i saw everything dungeons voicechat

#

at BFA

still lily
#

I think that was just for the alpha

balmy ingot
still lily
#

Yeah it's beta right now

#

So I'm unsure

#

Umm @drifting current do you know?

frozen dust
#

Last night I dreamed about Sylvanas discourse

#

Even in death I can't escape it

high edge
#

Im a simple guy i just like your msg

terse patrol
#

@frozen dust did you know sylvanas isnt morally grey!??

drifting current
#

@still lily no I am not, Iโ€™ll see tonight

ruby star
#

Voice chat is in BFA beta, and yes its in dungeons

frozen dust
ruby star
#

Its also optional

hollow dock
#

I just don't see the point to it now. Discord is so great.

tranquil steeple
#

for voice communication with randoms/pugs for higher m+ keys, possibly, without temporarily adding someone to a.. let's say personal discord for you and your friends

ruby star
#

I agree @hollow dock

grizzled sleet
#

They said that the chat system should be based on modern chat systems, back in the days it was based on things like AOL etc..., now it's based on things like Discord but it's not meant to replace them

hollow dock
#

you can always kick them if its your personal discord tho

tranquil steeple
#

sure but with in-game voice chat being there, why go grab a discord invite for someone who's gonna be in there for barely any time at all

ruby star
#

I mean it nice they added it but I don't see it getting used much compared to dicord

#

Discord*

tranquil steeple
#

While not directly on-topic, it's related: I felt the same way when I heard about voice chat for Premade groups in League of Legends; it's not gonna see a ton of use compared to Discord, but the fact that the option is there regardless is nice

strange falcon
#

@frozen dust is that a ballas emote D:

zealous basalt
#

Ballas...

#

From GTA SA

strange falcon
#

no khadgarface

frozen dust
#

Ye boi

#

My sub ran out but I don't feel like spending gold to renew when I'm no-lifing Warframe right now anyway so I'm playing that til BFA gets here or possibly later

jade basalt
#

@stiff vector Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that I already saw the Nazjatar and PlunderIsle map references months ago and they're nothing new

restive sage
#

how come it wont let me select a resolution in fullscreen on the ptr

zealous basalt
#

It's fixed to your resolution

strange falcon
#

you put it on windowed fullscreen if you want a select resolution

restive sage
#

there isnt an option for that lol

zealous basalt
#

Nope

#

Its windowed

#

And windowed fullscreen

#

The full fullscreen option has been deleted

restive sage
#

idk why they even did that

#

that helped nobody

zealous basalt
#

Windowed fullscreen is better than fullscreen

hollow dock
#

Personally I never knew anyone that used fullscreen.

#

Since the majority have 2+ monitors, Windowed full screen is much better

zealous basalt
#

Yeah

restive sage
#

i dont use it but i dont see why they removed it

zealous basalt
#

It caused issues

high edge
#

Whats the differet ?

hollow dock
#

Windowless fullscreen allows you to tab out of wow without minimizing it

zealous basalt
#

Yeah

stiff vector
#

@jade basalt that's correct theyve been referenced since probably the start of alpha

mint arch
#

what is love~

strange falcon
#

baby don't hurt me~

viral terrace
#

no more~

grizzled sleet
#

Time is money friend

zealous basalt
#

@uncut vault Is that the signal that Prepatch comes next week

mint arch
#

17th

misty blaze
#

the 17th isnt part of the 77 day cycle though

grizzled sleet
#

They said that the 77 days cycle wasn't intended

#

And it won't be the same for BFA

zealous basalt
#

^^

agile token
#

It's definetly next week

#

Or else this is the longest time between a pre-download and a release ever

grizzled sleet
#

It can't be next week

zealous basalt
#

Why does that have something to do with this?

agile token
#

Why not

#

Blizzard doesn't just change their schedules

grizzled sleet
#

No date yet, they must announce a date for people to know that mage tower is gonna disappear, they won't announce a date 2 days before prepatch

zealous basalt
#

And pvp season gets announced one week before it too

grizzled sleet
#

And PTR Calendar test ends on July 16

zealous basalt
#

We didnt have the official announcement that pvp is ending next week

#

It only said

#

Soon

#

Tm

agile token
#

The famous

#

โ„ข

grizzled sleet
#

After next reset they will say it's 17

zealous basalt
#

And that's when artifacts gone fuck

agile token
#

3 and a half weeks of pre-patch then

#

I'm just wondering if that is long enough

grizzled sleet
#

No big events on the prepatch

#

Just Burning of teldrassil quests that you will finish day 1 + world quests and then lordaeon scenario 1 week before expansion release

agile token
#

Yeah

#

Not everyone can do that

#

In that time period

grizzled sleet
#

You have 27 days to login for 1 day and complete a series of quests to get the mount, anyone can do that, enough time

agile token
#

You're not counting the fact that it's the beginning of the summer

#

Alot of people are not home

grizzled sleet
#

Doesn't really matter, just like Tomb of Sargeras released on June 20 2017 and people had to progress while it was summer

#

and raid is more important than prepatch

mint arch
#

i mean, at the end of the day, there will never be a "best" time to release stuff

#

blizzard have their schedule and they'll stick to it

distant hawk
#

yo is there a place to talk about before the storm where spoilers are allowed?

zealous basalt
#

ye

tulip sun
#

Here

mint arch
#

talk? u mean argue

rich apex
#

^

tropic trail
#

Alonsus faul is a good boy

rich apex
#

Damn straight

hollow dock
#

Genn is the best boy

mint arch
#

Genn is good doggie

still lily
#

Ye, he's a p okay boi

#

No one gives him pets tho

#

Someone has to pet him to prove he is good boi

hollow dock
#

Mia does

#

Mia knows how ot make him purr like a kitten after all

#

;)

still lily
#

but

#

He's a dog

#

o3o

hollow dock
#

that's how good Mia is

still lily
#

o gosh

#

das pretty good

hollow dock
#

We're all talkin about Jaina's mom but we need to start talking about Tess's mom

still lily
#

Naahhh best mom was Ysera

#

Then she died

hollow dock
#

best mom is Alex

#

fyi

#

tyvm

still lily
#

Well I mean, she doesn't have competition anymore

#

Who's Alex gonna compete with now that Ysera is dead?

hollow dock
#

Mia, Katherine, Ysera in the dream,

#

Elune

still lily
#
  1. Ysera is disqualified
hollow dock
#

I think that's all the milfs in WoW

still lily
#
  1. Elune is disqualified
hollow dock
#

Ysera is in the dream and therefore still alive

#

Elune is Elune

still lily
#

I mean there's a lot of Orc milfs on Draenor

hollow dock
#

still a mother

#

all the named and seen milfs*

#

in WoW

still lily
#

I think

hollow dock
#

OH

#

MOIRA

still lily
#

Thrall's mother

hollow dock
#

how could I forget her

still lily
#

I think we see Thrall's mom in a questline and she's a p good milf

hollow dock
#

but the Draka we see isn't mom Draka

still lily
#

how

#

o3o

hollow dock
#

Since we see in her WoD.

still lily
#

TECHNICALLY COUNTS

#

Future mother of Thrall means technically Milf

hollow dock
#

in Wod she hasn't given birth to Thrall. (Or well Geyerah )

#

So no milf bod

#

therefore

#

not a milf

still lily
#

nah nah nah

#

She always has had the milf bod

#

Milf from birth

hollow dock
#

...

#

wanna

#

retract that?

#

cuz that's just creepy

still lily
#

o3o

#

I will not retract that next part

#

It's like Athena

#

She was born from the head of her father

#

as a fully grown and clothed woman

hollow dock
#

At least the 'straight from the womb' bit was retracted

mint arch
#

aggra would be a milf as well

hollow dock
#

oh yea aggra.

still lily
#

o3o

mint arch
#

o8o

#

angry red dragons~

hollow dock
#

So you dont head to Dragonblight to talk to them or is that just an area I am not remembering

sharp bluff
#

I wonder if that will be bugged for those that didnโ€™t kill the reds

hollow dock
#

it's nt

#

she has different dialogue

sharp bluff
#

I know

zealous basalt
#

Elune is Elune

#

...

#

Oof

hollow dock
#

in terms of Milfs Mak

sharp bluff
#

But I wonder if the trigger will be bugged when it hits live

hollow dock
#

Why's that? o:

zealous basalt
#

Do you have your dk clean?

hollow dock
#

I do.

zealous basalt
#

Not u

#

Zeph

hollow dock
#

Mine has a conscience ever since she saved Uuna

sharp bluff
#

Yep

#

But I didnโ€™t copy mine

#

I wonder what default state will be

#

Only need to do mount quest once after all

hollow dock
#

default you didn't kill the dragons

sharp bluff
#

Nice

zealous basalt
#

I thought Port said the default was of them thanking the DK for not killing

sharp bluff
#

Good, I wonโ€™t feel guilty if/when they give us new DK races then

ruby star
#

Realms are down?

#

(anduin and slyv)

zealous basalt
#

w

#

fk

languid yoke
#

gg blizz

hollow dock
#

topkek

mint arch
unique meteor
#

ah mr. mootem is here too

hollow dock
#

I know that's supposed to be a 'Enter the Dragon' reference

#

but

#

C'mon blizz

#

you know your fanbase

#

you didn't give moira (Overwatch) tentacles like Doc Oc for a reason

mint arch
#

increased the EXP required to Level Up from 110-120 by 15% per level :/

hollow dock
#

Good.

uncut vault
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boo, combine that with the less war mode xp, gonna have to do a lot more of multiple zones to reach max

hollow dock
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Oh god the horror that we have to do the content they intend us to do to level

dense plover
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makes sense

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it means you have to do the full story

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also will extend the intial leveling thing by a few hours

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and should mean that people will have to do more sidequests

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i skipped a whole lot i didnt want to

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but they werent useful

gentle aurora
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Leveling to 120 in warmode was way too fast.

dense plover
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that too

uncut vault
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really wasnt but ๐Ÿคท

still lily
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I mean that was the point of war mode bonus

gentle aurora
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I didn't even fully complete any zone and had already hit 120

still lily
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Oh that's an issue

dense plover
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war mode bonus is supposed to make leveling take the same amount of time

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approximattely

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it is NOT supposed to be faster than pve leveling

gentle aurora
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Even without War Mode's bonus (was 15% when I leveled), it's still far too quick.

zinc sandal
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I get why they did it. I'm playing Beta and I was 115 without even being 50% done with the first zone.

dense plover
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the bonus is to make up for getting murdered

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it was very neccesary

grizzled sleet
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Don't forget that there is a gem with 5% more exp, you can only use one it's unique

dense plover
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the tuning was balanced around completing 2.5 zones

gentle aurora
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This is brand new content. It's not like we're leveling thru on our 5th alt. It should not go by quickly.

dense plover
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^

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they almost always increase the speed later

viral terrace
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I saw someone complain about having 20+ alts and saying that it'll make it slower on them.

hollow dock
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Did they nerf down that ridiculously high 20%?

zinc sandal
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Yes, this change isn't unexpected nor unnecessary.

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I think it's at 10-15?

hollow dock
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thank god

uncut vault
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bonus was never 20%

hollow dock
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It was 20% when it was first revealed as I remember it.

uncut vault
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been 15% since it first came out

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then nerfed to 10%

grizzled sleet
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yes 15% not 20% when it was first released

zealous basalt
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spits drink Recognizing Enter the Dragon Queen

hollow dock
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Yea

uncut vault
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but you have to do every single side story anyways, so making it so that you cant do it easier while gearing at max is disappointing

hollow dock
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they know what they wrote

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I know the original intention was almost certainly 'Enter the Dragon' reference

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but

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ya know

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we're perverts

mint arch
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@zealous basalt go enter dat dragon queen hard pls

zealous basalt
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...Won't say that name

hollow dock
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@uncut vault play more BGs and then return to it at a later date =3

uncut vault
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what are you talking about

zealous basalt
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I wonder if they are really referencing that incognito dude or whatever its the name

mint arch
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reference? its a command

hollow dock
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Well you're saying that you can't not do it to hit max level and then return at max with gear

mint arch
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go enter her GWunu2BGasm

hollow dock
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So play more battlegrounds/dungeons and hit max then return to it at a later date

zealous basalt
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I'd gladly

uncut vault
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I

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okay?

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that has nothing to do with what I said

zealous basalt
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If she needs to have more babs

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for sure

mint arch
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which queen though ๐Ÿค”

hollow dock
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there's only 1 dragon queen

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Void you know exactly who it is

terse patrol
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reeee more leveling time

zealous basalt
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idk what a draogn queen is

hollow dock
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neither do I

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the heck is that, Mak?

zealous basalt
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Idk, what be Vris

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We need more Alexstrasza's quests

mint arch
hollow dock
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pls no