"Sylv doesnt do war"
#beta-ptr-spoilers
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poor sylvie-chan is innocent and wants peace 
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somebody get me popcorn
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War of thorns
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🍿
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"She is still innocent"
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oof
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@mint arch Thanks man
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It is more likely that he would have started it tbh
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I mean genn was completely out of boundaries
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But he didnt
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in legion
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england
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All he wanted was to kill Sylvanas and wipe the forsaken
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One more topic here since we are on the topic of Sylvanas, Do you think Saurfang will turn his back on his allegiance to her?
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You know Genn's actions are the reason we even take lordaeron lands back
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That we CAN take lordaeron lands back*
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Lordaeron was
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his king and friend just died cause, from his perspective, the horde warchief abandoned them, but nah, he was "out of bounds"
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The retaliation of Alliance
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@forest sphinx its seems very likely he will
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They could destroy horde
Horde survived that day because Sylvanas, let's be honest there
She did a good job on that...but that is still her fault
And again
Anduin and sylvanas didnt declare war
Because she killed her people
And someone neutral
No matter if Anduin was...sad
forest sphinx
From what I've read, Sylvanas is the one instigating this War
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Or enraged of thst
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He didnt have any real reason to declare the war there
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lawl, she declared the war when she decided to not help heal the planet and instead attack Teldrassil
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that is ALL THIS IS
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Exactly void
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Not before
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To my eyes she refusing to aid Azeroth is the prime reason to kill her
forest sphinx
Sylvanas is going too far down the rabbit hole for me. I sincerely hope we do get to kill her at some point
hollow dock
that's the thing King
this isn't hr getting worse
or better
this is all she is
as a character
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@forest sphinx I dont want a Hordewarchief as a boss again
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Before we continue
forest sphinx
And isn't this what we went through when Arthas found frostmourne? He started slowly going down the rabbit hole?
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also.. i like her 😦
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Even if the Garrosh fight was really interesting
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Sylvanas was chosen to be the warchief
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By Bwomsambi
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lol, no one in the horde chose sylvanas, we just take it on word that a dying vol'jin was like "the loa told me"
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Hates the mantle because she gets bothered
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I thought it was basically logical it was bwomsambi
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he literally died as he made her warchief, tooootally a logical and clear mindset there
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A lot of loas
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since he is the main loa of vol'jin
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lol, good job? doing what?
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Well
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taking the horde to war? the loss of horde life? the refusal to save the planet?
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which is what they thrive on
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Bwomsambi chose sylvanas for a reason, one reason which is currently conspiracy is that death as a whole is taking a more pimaire spot
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the supplies lost?
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Not really Asan
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how is anything she's done "for the horde"?
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Have the horde suffered losses?
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Bwonsambi hates undead
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Yep
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Like. Loathes them.
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yes the horde have suffered losses...
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horde and alliance are killing each other and we aren't even in BFA yet
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Inb4 hakkar
hollow dock
It's more likely that it was either the Legion or Old God meddling that put Sylvanas there
since they stand to gain more from it
since souls that Sylvanas kills gets raised into undeath
and not going towards Bwonsambi
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says who?
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Unless you mean undead
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The void doesn't seem to affect the undead like it does the living
but Voljin was alive when he put Sylvanas in charge
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^
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If you are living you are pretty done with void
mint arch
dont be done with me ;_;
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Oof
mint arch
xP
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I am talking about how the void has a much lesser impact on undead
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Right
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...
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You ain't make sense now
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How
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We were talking about it
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it's all connected
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its not
The conversation was possibilities of WHO made Sylvanas warchief through Vol'jin
you suggested Bwomsambi but don't believe it to be so
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Nomi
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No that was one of
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but I*
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It's all a mess now
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Rather I believe it to be the Old Gods or the Legion doing the meddling with Vol'jin in his hour of death
since they both stand to gain far more from a fractured world than Bwon does
as Sylvanas isn't marked by Bwon
mint arch
well, bellular made a video and he said it was bwomsambi so it must be true
forest sphinx
Maybe it's an old god that's causing Sylvanas to go down the dark path?
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This one was the one that said about how Death < Light and Void
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^
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100% she hasn't become more evil
forest sphinx
No, I know, just threw it out there
mint arch
she's always been evil
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this is what she's ALWAYS been.
now with her in the limelight, it's apparent how evil she really is
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just that when she had arthas to focus on, she was "less evil"
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People freak out
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In which King, the Old God whispers are shown to completely unaffect the undead
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Blight*
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as seen in Northrend within the Saronite mines
forest sphinx
Didn't that know Vris, Thanks for that input
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Vris, one of our lore masters
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Saronite being Yogg-saron's blood and how he's driving people mad out in Northrend
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🙇
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Oof
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hmm
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You think sylvanas being impaled had an impact?
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The undead there are actually more annoyed by the whispers than driven mad by them. So it's very unlikely that Sylvanas is affected or influenced by them.
There is a tinfoil hat theory that her impaling is what made her like this, but there's not much evidence to support it and more is against it if anything.
Chronicles being the final nail in that theory's coffin as it confirms that Sylvanas developed the blight and more than intended it's usage in Northrend, but Putress and Varithimas jumped the gun.
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The only thing that the impale did is show how much of a edgelord she is
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Can we talk about how the void shows fear to alleria of sylvanas in the three sisters comic
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Void is never true
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fear? what void?
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During the meeting at windrunner spire
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are u saying the void itself is sentient?
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Void
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u think the void lords fear sylvanas?
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no
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Or void lords in the void
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or maybe that was just teh void being she had absorbed
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Now here is something to think Asan
The Void was doing several different things to Alleria in that comic
All through its whispers and her interactions with certain people
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Yes
mint arch
and ya, the psychological part as well ^
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She doesnt care tho
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It played upon her fears, insecurities and hatreds.
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ppl are taking this "void fears sylvanas" so literally and directly based on nothing really -__-
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Her fear of being chained and locked up, Her insecurity of being weak, and her hatred of the horde.
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Every whisper that either the Old God or Void sends our way is personalized in this manner
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Didnt locus Walker said that she was able to silence the voices?
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Yes
mint arch
based on what more things?
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With it being Personalized, it plays upon our knowledge.
For Alleria, she knew the Legion was her enemy
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Oh
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and guess who's leading her true enemy?
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People forgot that
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Sylvanas
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That Alleria doesnt dislike
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exactly
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She
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Exactly.
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It's all just speculation
hollow dock
Now while I do think there is merit to Undeath being a problem for the void, I don't think the void saw Sylvanas as a threat.
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We just have to see what is right and what is wrong
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More so, it was just tempting Alleria into doing what it wantd
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And that is the thought blizzard intented to give to the readers
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Now I do think Death is Void's real adversary simply because you can't consume what is dead. Light and Dark are in an ever constant
but if one dies, so does the other.
It's more philosophical than probably intended but ya know :p
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but does death even care to be the enemy?
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Those things are always philosophical
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I don't think so. All the energies of the universe simply do what they are supposed to do.
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it doesn't
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why would "death" care about the light/void/w.e since ALL things come to death eventually
i feel "Death" should be a completely neutral force
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Life breaths the spark into all things, death snuffs it out.
Void consumes what is Light and vice versa
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death is inevitable for all things
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Fel breaks apart what is Arcane and Arcane rebuilds what Fel breaks
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^^
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It's a perfect parity
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The opposites of the cosmos
But what currently plays is the beings that are related to all of these
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Now if any of this is thrown out of balance, a lot of bad things can happen. If somehow an exuberant amount of death filled the galaxy
Void wouldn't have anything to consume
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And Light would just consume it before losing the same light
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From light comes darkness and from darkness light
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There wouldnt be a reason of destroying
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Yup. Which is really the only other reason I can think of for calling Sylvanas the 'True Enemy'
but I like my idea of it just trying to trick Alleria more
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This is where I intented to move the conversation
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Yup. It's us who decide how the force is used.
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When Balanced
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Unless they come across one another
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they are neutral, they each just have their own "traits or themes"
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Light likes to make giant Crystals and make you go blind, void just likes to make everything purple and tentacly
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they each like a different colour 
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Wonder how could things be if all was balanced
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Then the titans could finally rest
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Inb4 Elune is the answer to literally any question
The perfect balance of the universe
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That's a nice way to see it
Elune might be just the personalification of perfect balance
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My theory stands that Elune references three people.
Azeroth, Eonar and Elune herself.
Chronicles depicts that when the Dark Trolls looked into the well, they saw Elune. But Elune isn't within the well, she's supposedly the large white moon of Azeroth. So it'd make sense that when they saw Azeroth for the few fleeting moments, they thought her to be Elune.
When healing through nature, they'd hear Elune's call. Even though Elune herself has nothing to do with Nature, I believe this is where they heard eonar or her servants through the dream/Freya.
And of course the moon itself granting her worshipers holy powers to smite demons down.
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That's a nice theory
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Your theory points out that Elune is something related within the space of azeroth
Since we have not read any mentions of the titans referencing Elune
What is missing is time
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It seems like a matter of perspective
Though in the night elf mythos
Elune has a physical form that resembles Tyrande
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Night elf mythos depicts a time period of when people started to see what is Elune
Do we have something similair to the night elf mythos, but written somewhere completely different
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I remember someone calling her "A great person like Elune" or something like that
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Elune be praised
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Why didn't Aman'thul 'find' Elune is a question
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No that wouldn't be the best answer
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She might be probably another kind of entity
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But what if elune can have a different appearance depending on who prays on her?
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Maybe she has her own reality just for herself
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What I like to theory about is that Elune is a non-existant being, something that can't be seen but only felt
Like the wind that flows trough the air
You can feel it, and you can use it
Something different, does the Bilgewater Cartel even use kajamite?
I assume the other cartels still mine and use kajamite
The zandalari used/use kajamite for rituals
There is a mention of Kajamite in BFA: When the goblins of the Bilgewater Cartel first arrived on Zandalar, they got word of the Zandalari's old kaja'mite quarry at Gorilla Gorge near the Village in the Vines and immediately made their way to it. The Zandalari stopped mining kaja'mite at the quarry because of intelligent gorillas, a result of the kaja'mite.
@hollow dock I think after BFA, the goblins (looking at gallywix) will be asked to return all azerite resources. I think then they will use kajamite again
what do you think? I recon the goblins are still aware of their relationship with the ore
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kajamite went dry tho.
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Know yes, but kajamite was running dangerously low on Kezan. That was the point of the starting area
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True
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beta down?
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hmm after patiently waiting 5 minutes on the empty character list my characters appeared
past wedge
yea, but its loading that fast in the loading screen and also ingame
past wedge
i was stuck 10 min in the loading screen
then i was on my character but everything ingame took long to load
so you could say its down
unique meteor
ah nice, thank you very much
supple wharf
been broken since last nite =\
viral terrace
Luckily they haven't announced the week 5 winners yet, so they don't have to go through the beta problems currently. xd
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Sylvanas is the hero, don't @ me
sharp vapor
quick question - just wanna know - dont know if this question was asked before, dont roast me - i've played beta for few days and did a few warfront - for win u are gaining 340ilvl epic item - is it beta bug or it will be like that - those items give u a lot primary stats but wont give u stamina?
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Scaling isn’t done yet so takes those with a grain fo salt
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figuring similar for crafted gear? will be ilvl385 with zero secondary stats
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Well the secondary stats are random Shag
So it doesn't show you.
It'll be things like Legion does now, 'of the Fireflash' or things like that
But the current stat amounts on them are bugged/aren't fixed. They will be ,coming into live
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yeah i know it's be random bt on other items where they're listed it says <random secondary stat>
might just not have it because of looking at the items through profession window instead
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@hollow dock Do you think Nazjtar is going to be a zone for 8.1? (theres the map file for it in BFA)
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ah, how big is Nazjater?
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It's supposed to rival Zin'azshari
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Ooooh
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It's 'uge
high edge
how can i test warfront? how can i join on it at pvp realm
dense plover
its likely nazjatar will only be a zone
and its not supposed to rival zinazshari in size
its supposed to rival it in beauty
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I hope it'd be an 8.2 thing and have a full zone on its own
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this is Azshara we're talking about Peach. Zin'azshari was grandiose and if something is to rival that, under Azshara
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Isnt Nazjatar in ZinAzshari?
dense plover
"n this city which rivals even the splendor of the previous Kaldorei capital of Zin-Azshari, Azshara rules over virtually the entire naga race and its various tribes and factions."
splendor
not size
also no
zinazsshari was blown up
pieces are in azshara, vashjir, azsuna
hollow dock
Again peach, this is Azshara we're talking about. If it's supposed to rival this other city that's already pretty large. Why wouldn't she make it as large if not larger?
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because its a video game vris
and 3 city zones would suck
1 awesome city zone would be great
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and that isn't good enough of an excuse. Teldrassil is a single zone but is massive for it being within 1 tree.
dense plover
i dont want something big just so its big
i want it to be good
no matter the size
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I want it to be faithful
dense plover
we know almost nothing of nazjatar
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the most vain person on Azeroth
dense plover
and for all we know, we might not get nazjatar
we could get a different naga city
though i hope not
or we could just get the palace
while the rest remains beneath the waves
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Why not have the fight of Aszhara in the center of all
dense plover
personally, i would love a suramar sized zone that is 90% city vs 50% city
hollow dock
there is a map file for Nazjatar (or at least is called such) that has been recently added peach
that's why the topic came up
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just not another underwater zone please 😭
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Vashj was a fun mechanic
grizzled sleet
Not for melee
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D&d?
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death and decay
hollow dock
yea but those aren't integral to DPS :p
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But yes for running
night swift
Death and decay is more of aoe aid
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Underwater war mode awards underwater conquest points and underwater honor.
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D&D while leveling was pretty important to mob pulls
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When you actually liked Vashj'ir
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Underwater rp
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How can you eat food underwater?
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Sushi m8
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as long as you dont mind soggy food....
dense plover
there is?
is it just a file name?
fyi, nazjatar will either be underwater but essentially above ground
or it will be raised above the sea
i expect them to raise it
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Just a map file @dense plover Mr GM found it whille looking at BFA map files on stream
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I got a option for beta BFA and i started to install. I checked my email but it doesn't look like i got an email from blizzard of any kind. I got beta randomly? 🤔
dense plover
email comes much later than the tag
beta waves go out pretty regularly
ok
yeah its just a file
no actual map
so we will probably see changes in 8.1 ptr
not before
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noble patrol
oh nice
dense plover
oh so literally just a named file
at least it kind of confirms we are in fact going to nazjatar - at least, thats the plan ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ruby star
yea
I know it's old news( I think) but Plunder isle also has a named file
(Credit to Mr Gm)
worn rune
Didn't they already say that Queen Azshara was the last boss in one of the raids
Wouldn't that be confirmation enough?
She
She'll probably be the second tier
and I imagine the third tier will be something akin to Nzoth
grizzled sleet
Don't try to imagine third tier yet, things are never that obvious with blizzard, expect something unexpected
worn rune
Legion was pretty damn obvious aside from Argus being the last boss instead of Sargeras
worn rune
If BFA keeps the same structure as Legion, we'll probably get 2 new land masses
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@uncut vault love it, it's a master piece
restive sage
when are they gonna stop letting people into the beta
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Theyre gonna have to change something about the structure of BfA from legion if they want azshara's story to be actually good
ruby star
plunder isle might look like this? (this is of course not real)
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cause so far, she shows up like 3 times, nowhere near is integrated in the story, leveling or max level, as the nightborne were
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I need info
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being the 7.1.5 raid would be pitiful
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What be plunder isles
ruby star
yes
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Yes
restive sage
😃
restive sage
not that i have 5 mil in my pocket
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Har
restive sage
im sure there will be lower cost versions of the big boi dino
grizzled sleet
What if........... 
Wrathion is the new Chromie Death of Wrathion
worn rune
There hasn't been a spider alternative
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4m once you reach exalted
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Spoder
restive sage
all im saying is that everyone deserves to get to ride big dino c:
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I'm most exicited for Wrathion stuff
restive sage
wrathion?
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Hug him
restive sage
wut iuz wrathion
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Tell him to act his age
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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Wrathion @restive sage
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😮
night swift
Yeah wrathion is plotting shit
Theres black dragons on one of the island expeditions
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we have an island quest for him, also one of his Blacktalon agents are now outside BWL in Bfa
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Oh
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and yeah they are in Island expedatuions
restive sage
these new mounts are so cooooool
night swift
He was gonna be relevant to Highmountain in Legion but then they scrapped it
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I'm glad they removed it
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@zealous basalt and? it least it shows we're likely to see much more of wrathion and his story in BFA 😄
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Ikno
But I meant
I knew about black dragons that are purified but pissy
And that a quest send us to him
And there is another quest from a twilight scale
ruby star
it could go down the route of Wrathion joining the alliance and eborn guy joining horde
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And drakonid allied race
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nerds
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yeah, I am happy Alliance get Wrathion
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I mean
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He did say he supports Alliance so makes sense
ruby star
exactly, and the Eborn guy most likely will support the Horde
though I don't know if they would give the alliance and horde both drakonid races
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A little of change?
Probably dragonspawn for horde and drakonid for alliance?
Alliance melee and horde caster?
I mean
I'm up for draconic races
But
Only if they add more diversity of allied races
restive sage
so will alliance players get to visit zandular and the other way around
i probs spelt that wrong
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Ye
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Black wat
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Ah ye
near cosmos
zandular and cult tiris
tropic trail
Speaking of new races
What's with the vulpera
They're just midget worgens with better animations
ruby star
don;'t forget wrathion appeard in the alliance embassy then got removed in 7.3.5 PTR
so perhaps Wrathion might appear in it (embass) again later in BFA
then we get allied race for alliance
I hope they don't cut what they have planned for wrathion
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If you make a Demon Hunter, and purchase a race change, can you make it into any race on that side? I heard some story about a gnome DH..
You wouldn't think so, but I guess it could bug out since there's only one race per side that can be DH.
And a faction change is a completely different purchase
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I wish we get some quests about wrathion just like they did for Illidan
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Something, anything, just to involve him more than just an island expedition drop quest
grizzled sleet
Just like Chromie
tranquil steeple
@tropic trail Demon Hunters are ONLY playable by the Night and Blood Elf races, some toys might change the in-game race appearance to another race, but.. that's about it.
hollow dock
They hadn't made a new one for the Kirin Tor.
Despite the 'new' Kirin tor appearing.
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It would be nice tho
grizzled sleet
When a character changes factions, their home city reputation level translates into the same level of the home city of their new opposite faction race. For example, a Gnome turning into a Blood Elf would see his Gnomeregan Exiles reputation become his new Silvermoon City reputation.
Do you think the same will apply for BFA with Horde and Alliance factions in Zandalar / Kultiras ?
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It might mean that we legendary cloak crusaders will have it easy of they ever think ing releasing an allied race that has something to do with wrathion
Mind you allowing me to finish?
hollow dock
no. Because you saying they should make an independant new fresh rep bar would not be cool
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I was
Giving you the point of not having a new fresh bar
And how are drakonids made
Thst arent black
hollow dock
they dont have to be black to be made in a lab
zealous basalt
Do you think the reds and the rest will do that kind of experimentation
dense plover
drakonids sometimes happen from mortals spending lots of time near dragons
uncut vault
dont remind me of kirin tor offensive vris
horde got an HD sunreaver tabard and their new faction based around them
silver covenant got nothing, despite being the main force
lime kiln
So, the servers are back up again, nice. 👌
zealous basalt
Now that's bias
grizzled sleet
Just another reason to yell "FOR THE ALLIANCE"
ruby star
steady crow
viral terrace
FOR THE ALLIANCE
grizzled sleet
Fixed !
raven swallow
night swift
At least our faction leader isn't being doubted by the other racial leaders
still lily
Sylvanas is the hero, don't @ me
night swift
Yeah no she's been pretty evil so far in legion and bfa
night swift
SHe kills and then resurrects her own troops in the battle for lorderon
Against the wishes of Saurfang
night swift
And causes Saurfang to turn himself in to the Alliance
ruby star
She is evil, if she thinks the way she is going around stuff makes her a hero, she is wrong
drifting current
@still lily 😏
night swift
Raising the dead isn't heroism
ruby star
She has no honour
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Alliance orc paladins when
still lily
Where have we seen a character go about similar acts?
drifting current
Sylvanas is doing us a bigger favour than you expect
still lily
🤔
steady crow
Sylvanas is 1 of the best characters in the World Of Warcraft ever so no dissing her
ruby star
She is a dishonourable ****
still lily
A character that had his allies abandon him after killing innocents for the sake of a greater good 🤔
🤔
steady crow
seems you really don't like horde much Drorith
ruby star
Nope, I hate the horde xD
drifting current
Essentially Sylvanas and her hordes of undead are gonna do us a big ole favour soon
Also
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night swift
steady crow
Then i can say that i really HATE the Alliance
ruby star
Good because the Alliance will crush you
drifting current
Bad Alliance, Baaaad
ruby star
if it wasn't for gameplay the alliance would win this war
drifting current
Would they now?
steady crow
:horde
still lily
Drorith that blind prejudice is what drove the hozen and huojin pandaren into the Horde's arms o3o
ruby star
Yep
night swift
Alliance kinda has a space ship in their arsenal now
ruby star
not in BFA
tropic trail
Not anymore
still lily
I don't think they've had any statements on the state of the vindicaar being anything more than a neutral quest hub and neutral city
ruby star
In the wake of the successful campaign on Argus, the Vindicaar was handed over to the Army of the Light to act as its new base of operations. Though their quest to defeat the Legion was now over, the lightforged draenei of the ship continued to train new recruits and induct them into the army. Shortly before the commencement of the battle for Azeroth between the Alliance and Horde, High Exarch Turalyon met with King Anduin Wrynn and the other Alliance leaders in the Stormwind City Embassy.
Eager to once more aid his people, Turalyon pledged the loyalty of the Army of the Light, and by extension the Vindicaar, to the Alliance cause. The lightforged draenei too desired to join their cousins from Azeroth, and entered the Alliance as one of its newest allies. Grand Artificer Romuul appeared to have remained on the vessel following the events on Argus, continuing to oversee its maintenance and upkeep.[10]
still lily
When was this
drifting current
The Horde has Loa, the most ancient empire in history, enormous Arcane resources, Powers over the earth, with addition to the Dead, the tech of the Goblins and the strength of the Orcs and Tauren
ruby star
^
drifting current
One spaceship means nothing
drifting current
The Army of the Light is tiny now
still lily
Okay, that's kinda stupid
hollow dock
It has the vindicator Pog
tropic trail
Lel
still lily
That they get a whole space ship
drifting current
Literally all the Army of the Light is in that one spaceship
night swift
The ship also has a giant ass laser
tropic trail
Wew
still lily
o3o
hollow dock
And don't forget the Gundam mechs the Army has
drifting current
That one spaceship has a lazer that a maximum power blew open a wall
still lily
This is why draenei master race, why must they be on the racist as shit Alliance tho o3o
night swift
The warframes yeah
tropic trail
Its kinda fucked that the horde helped with that vessel too
hollow dock
Blew open a wall.
uh
did you miss
where it was stalling
the legion fleet
at antorus?
ruby star
Sadly the Alliance won't use it because blizzard doesn't want a faction to win
drifting current
It has a shield yes
night swift
Yeah the war ain't gonna end in a faction winning
hollow dock
Did you miss where we can Direct that laser to vaporize demons
ruby star
^
still lily
Drorith you're actually being really shortsighted. What's a character that has had a really similar arc to Sylvanas? His name starts with an A
His allies abandoned him
He eventually became leader of the scourge and the lich king
calm plank
arathor?
ruby star
How am I being shortsighted? If I believe Slyv is pure evil?
hollow dock
Sylvanas' allies didn't abandon her tho
still lily
Saurfang
night swift
Yeah, and then we killed Arthas
ruby star
I am an alliance player Gamma
hollow dock
Sylvanas is legitimate and fully admitted to being
what Garrosh is
but she's not making his mistakes
ruby star
I view Slyv as evil like most the alliance
forest lynx
Sylvanas for LK of WotLK 2.0 next expack duh
still lily
o3o
hollow dock
When you remove the faction barriers, yes. Sylvanas has done evil acts to fuel evil agendas of herself.
BUT
She doesn't let her allies know
She feeds specific bits of information to tell them the truth
without telling the whole truth
still lily
No Sylvanas for leader of the Azeroth undead army that repels the Void since undead are immune to void whispers and that's the whole reason the void wanted Sylvanas dead in the comic and she's going to become arthas 2.0 in the sense she commits horrible atrocities for the greater good
hollow dock
She's keeping her allies close and in the dark with only having suspicions around her
still lily
That was in response to Vin o3o
hollow dock
I swear to fucking christ if I see one more comment about the void legitiamately seeing a MORTAL BEING as a threat
still lily
That's what's going to happen
Nonono
You miss the point
It's not just one being that's the threat here
It's a whole army
hollow dock
Here's the thing Gamma
Being immune to the whispers
doesn't mean
theyre the true enemy
hell
the undead aren't even immune
They're highly resistant to them
tropic trail
Ye
still lily
Which is why they're a big issue for the void <-<
hollow dock
Ya know. Like the Titanforged beings of Ulduar.
Which the titanforged beings are not a big issue for the void
Stop the BS. please
still lily
It's not, it's legitimate speculation
still lily
I'm not ignoring anything >->
hollow dock
You are
still lily
I might be forgetting but not intentionally ignoring
hollow dock
The voids whispers did more than just call Sylvanas the true enemy
They played time and time again on Alleria's emotions.
still lily
yes, as they tend to do o3o
hollow dock
Her fear of being chained
her insecurity of being weak
her hatred of her true enemy. the horde
still lily
That's very obviously trying to manipulate her into stopping opposition that could possibly pose a threat to the void o3o
What race is in the Horde? Undead
hollow dock
Except that there's
no
reason
because why aren't the void getting us to fight the titanforged?
still lily
Yes there is a reason, that's what the void does
That's literally what the void does on a day to day basis
still lily
It did that to the elements
hollow dock
as Undead
The elements were enslaved by the old gods
they waged war completley INDEPENDANTLY of the void
still lily
You're ignoring the fact Titanforged were from an era where the world was heavily saturated in void influence and powers
The world has changed quite a lot since then and the undead aren't coming into contact with void on a day to day basis
hollow dock
The Elemental lords infighting was NOT because of the old gods. It was because of the lack of the Element of Spirit. Which Azeroth was nomming on as she developed in the planet.
still lily
Now if the world were suddenly saturated in void again, yes they could easily turn the undead
hollow dock
Also there are undead Twilight's Hammer agents. Again. pls. Stop the BS
drifting current
That’s not them being corrupted that’s them choosing to join the Old Gods
still lily
You're being just a little rude over a bit of speculation
hollow dock
They aren't immune Pog
still lily
Please stop calling speculation BS and please lets talk normally
hollow dock
they are highly resistant to it.
drifting current
They pretty much are then
The Void would have to work overtime to stop an army of undead
hollow dock
Highly resistant still means they are affected by it, but at a much MUCH slower rate
than normal
which is why the old gods made the curse of flesh
to speed up the corruption process of the titan's constructs
still lily
And the world isn't in the state it needs to be in for them to take down an army of highly resistant beings
o3o
hollow dock
Here's the thing tho. There's far more Titanforged on Azeroth
than there is undead(Forsaken)
still lily
With the void elves they're gaining ground in making the world a far more voidy place
So if they spread void elves, eliminate undeads
hollow dock
The void elves haven't voidified anything on Azeroth
calm plank
but there's not that much void elves
still lily
Again, not yet
hollow dock
There's less void elves than there are Undead
because there's no canon way to actually make more void elves
calm plank
so far nope
still lily
o3o
calm plank
probably will find a way cause that ain't exactly useful
ruby star
theres hardly any void elves infact
still lily
It wouldn't be entirely impossible for the current void elves to group together under the influence and start voiding a few remote regions
o3o
calm plank
well lore wise blood elves were already short on population
still lily
Then slowly work up while corrupting creatures to fight for them o3o
Void elves are a gateway for more void beings o3o
Not necessarily more void elves, but just more void corruption
Just like how lightforged are a gateway for more lightbound beings
calm plank
The void has a nature of spreading out so I wouldn't be surprised if they started "reproducing"
hollow dock
Alright. Well.
Here's why I don't think that's necessarily a thing
The Old Gods are free
they're no longer shackled
at all
Maiden of Vitality.
Heart of Azeroth chamber.
I am just paraphrasing here: "Containment breaches in Ulduar, Uldum, Uldir," etc etc etc
Every single titan facility has been ruptred open
hollow dock
She lists all the known ones
calm plank
doesn't mean the old gods themselves
hollow dock
then three unknowns
dense plover
she lists uldum, uldir, and 3 unknowns
hollow dock
There is only one thing those facilities contain Use
dense plover
ulduar is not mentioned
dense plover
dont think it ever was
hollow dock
If her dialogue changed
uncut vault
she does
hollow dock
because the original dialogue did state all of the titan facilities and three unknowns
dense plover
huh
tropic trail
wew lads
calm plank
there where also a few unknown ones
still lily
Actually if we're ever gonna revisit Northrend I really want Ulduar 2.0
uncut vault
"WARNING: Multiple containment breaches registered.
Recommended expurgation of following facilities:
Uldaman. Uldum. Uldorus. Ulduar. Uldir. Uldaz. Uld... Uld... Uld... Uld..."
tropic trail
Bloodworms are coming back in full glory in the pre-patch
dense plover
also, containment breach doesnt mean the old god is free
ulduar already had a containment breach
hollow dock
There is only one thing those facilities contain.
dense plover
lots of times actually
uncut vault
titan programming was just a bit overboard, one keeper dies? better restart the planet
calm plank
(Uldorus sounds a lot like antorus if you ask me)
dense plover
naming schemes generally follow patterns
hollow dock
These would be all of the facilities on Azeroth.
calm plank
cause loken modified the system
dense plover
no, loken modified the records
calm plank
it wasn't meant to work this way
dense plover
and only ulduar's records
dense plover
we also dont know the actual facility names for nzoth and cthun's prison
or the facility beneath ToS
hollow dock
In which, Ulduar did have breaches, but none of them were due to, and this is my speculation, Azerite
dense plover
probably
hollow dock
the stabbening
dense plover
its pretty clear
i mean
with all the azerite in the chamber of the heart and stuff
calm plank
pretty obvious azerite fucked shit up
dense plover
i mean
hollow dock
And, yes take Xala'thaths words with a pinch of salt, Xala told us that N'zoth was close to breaking free.
hollow dock
and now we have basically every single titan facility having containment breaches?
dense plover
she is bleeding, and its bubbling to the surface
tropic trail
When do we get randomly generated endgame tower climbing dungeon
dense plover
and yeah
tropic trail
Like diablo rifts
calm plank
G'hunn ain't exactly the friendlest of them all
dense plover
all old gods are nasty
zealous basalt
Not an old god
hollow dock
Uldir is actually a great example. A breach that turned into an infestation.
and G'huun isnt even a true old god like N'zoth
dense plover
^
ghuun is an old god
it is a manufactured old god
accidentally
experiment gone wrong in the worst possible way
calm plank
yeah but it's probably weaker than the usual ones
dense plover
100%
hollow dock
Indeed. Artifical. Latent in power by comparison (probably due to size) but if N'zoth had a breach
hollow dock
There's no doubt in my mind that he's squirling his tentacles all over azeroth
dense plover
weve never had a fully free old god
calm plank
either this expack or the next one
dense plover
and with the whole 5 keys thing, and the titan facility beneath ToS, combined with all of azshara's efforts in the last expac and this one?
i wouldnt be surprised if she is trying to set him free
and thats the post-azshara raid cinematic
nzoth being released
i mean, the naga were even digging down beneath the ToS
calm plank
ok that would be so cool to look at
hollow dock
I've already reaches this conclusion. I believe the old gods are freed already and are burrowing down and are already spewing out N'raqi and C'thraxxi.
dense plover
if that isnt related to the titan facility there i dont know what is
terse patrol
wouldnt be surprised if he was already free
dense plover
see i dont think we will see all of the old gods released
and i dont think nzoth is already free
terse patrol
what if the scepter of the tides is what accidentally releases him
dense plover
breaches in their prison arent enough to free them
hollow dock
under normal circumstances no Peach
calm plank
If N'zoth was free it would probably be a bit obvious
hollow dock
but this isn't a seal being smuged
dense plover
also, it would make the azshara raid kind of pointless
terse patrol
N’zoth is a secretive old god
hollow dock
this is Azeroth herself heaving and forcing Azerite out
terse patrol
So I think he’d keep it on the down low until he was reason
dense plover
i think their ability to do stuff is more active, but i seriously suspect they will heavily focus on nzoth and only nzoth
terse patrol
ready*
calm plank
It's the only we haven't seen yet
hollow dock
the old gods will get dealt with
calm plank
so pretty obvious
dense plover
we might get some side stuff permanently finishing up the other 2 old gods maybe
dense plover
but nzoth is going to be either the big bad of this expac or the boss of the next one
calm plank
so why could we
dense plover
titans tried to rip them out
hollow dock
It's not that they couldn't Use
calm plank
I know
hollow dock
it's that they wouldn't
hollow dock
In which we killed an Old God already
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Y'shaarj.
dense plover
no we have not
terse patrol
In Ashenvale
calm plank
Y'shaarj was already kinda dead when we found him
terse patrol
We get spoken to by an “old god”
dense plover
nzoth isnt on that side of the planet
hollow dock
'dead' but still alive.
His heart was still beating, his Sha were still heavily active.
dense plover
nzoth is near EK, not Kalimdor
terse patrol
His tentacles come through portals @dense plover
hollow dock
We extinguished the heart and his sha has receeded
dense plover
those are just tentacles
terse patrol
N’zoth’s minions are naga
dense plover
not neccesarily nzoth's tentacles
terse patrol
Then which Old God was that?
terse patrol
Because it didnt sound like C’thun
calm plank
could be C'thun
terse patrol
Or Yogg
hollow dock
All of them except C'thun have them
calm plank
or maybe anothe big minion