beta-ptr-spoilers

[terse patrol]

also

[tropic trail]

wouldn't he have sided with em like nazgrim?

[hollow dock]

Garrosh betrayed the horde

so no

[zealous basalt]

Sylvanas at this pont

Has done nothing wrong

[hollow dock]

^

to the horde

[tropic trail]

aye true

[hollow dock]

she's 100% innocent

in everything

[zealous basalt]

For the horde she is the goat

[terse patrol]

What is stopping the Horde leaders from finding out what happened in the Alliance quests? Like the enslaving of the furbolg

Or the civilian slaughter

[hollow dock]

Sylvanas.

She's a totalitarian leader

[rich apex]

Rule of Plot

Can't expose the Twilight infiltrators too early

[zealous basalt]

Can Sylvanas be mind controlled

?

[verbal badger]

any character can be mind controlled if the plot demands it

[rich apex]

^

This guy gets it

[sharp bluff]

If they can mind control a Dragon, I doubt a banshee would be much trouble

But I think she resists it a good bit due to the fact she broke free of control once already

hence Forsaken racial

[grizzled sleet]

Meh

everything is mind controlled by Blizzard in wow

[zealous basalt]

So

Aggro is getting nerfed in BfA? Does it mean we will be able to overaggro or?

[grizzled sleet]

No

It just mean that you can't do too much kitting anymore

if you do kitting you may lose aggro

you have to keep damaging mobs to keep aggro

[hollow dock]

I mean

zep

the old gods have shown, their corruption

can't touch the undead.

They're undead

there's no mind to actually corrupt.

[dense plover]

^

its why the void hates sylvanas

at least partially

they cant control her, so she is a threat

[hollow dock]

implied but I really doubt the void was being truthful and more so was just manipulating Alleria

since all other whispers were playing on Alleria's feelings, her feelings towards the horde, their warchief, would certainly be called the 'True Enemy

[grizzled sleet]

Prepatch mount won't available after prepatch right ?

[hollow dock]

most likely no

[rich apex]

trusting the void as a credible source

[hollow dock]

I mean

[sharp bluff]

Very true Vris, but others have no doubt found ways to control undead by this point

[hollow dock]

it tells halftruths Hyper

[zealous basalt]

Isn't me or

[hollow dock]

it doesn't solely lie

[sharp bluff]

and we still have a certain Lich missing

[hollow dock]

but the half-truths are personalized

[zealous basalt]

The Lightforged Enaara is a little ass

[rich apex]

I mean the entire thing with Alleria

Is that the Void told her she'd kill her son

[dense plover]

im not saying its credible, but it definitely doesnt like her - it completely changed attitude towards her compared to alleria's other sister

[hollow dock]

yea

that's still the void

[rich apex]

And she knew she never, ever, ever would harm him

[hollow dock]

And again Peach

I 100%

fully believe

[rich apex]

And that's her anchor against the whispers

[hollow dock]

it's just the void playing on Alleria

her thoughts and feelings

not entirely true Hyper?

That's just one of the things she was shown

[dense plover]

i think theres something there. i think the void sees her as a threat and thats the whole thing voljin placed her in charge of the horde for

[hollow dock]

when she first tangled with the void

[dense plover]

but thats just a theory

[hollow dock]

A GAMING THEORY

very loud distorted Game Theory outro

[sharp bluff]

Actually that is a pretty good theory, I did not consider the Loa may have told Voljiin the void fears her

[hollow dock]

My question is

[sharp bluff]

But that would mean the loa somehow are doing something with void

[hollow dock]

why would that come up?

they were fighting the Legion

not the void

Void wasn't even a thought with a Legion invasion

[dense plover]

because the loa see the bigger threat

maybe

[hollow dock]

I'm doubtful towards that.

[dense plover]

or the loa whispered of the future

[tulip sun]

We all just ignore that he said Enaara is an asd, lop

Why do you think that?

[zealous basalt]

INB4 NEXT WEEK THE LEGIONARY LIMIT IS LIFT

[tulip sun]

Ass*

[hollow dock]

Because personal opinions on characters dont shape up for much

[rich apex]

in before Bwomsamdi told Voljin to make Sylvie warchief just so he could collect more souls from the inevitable war

[hollow dock]

that's why we kinda ignore that

[rich apex]

[grizzled sleet]

https://i.redditmedia.com/J480VLULVOUYebCg1yWkhX75CPH9c30QHDyEgQS44Q0.png?w=294&s=e5e4bf9b9e813866c2a29f2552011c8c

[dense plover]

thats not what bwonsamdi would do

hes not a nice guy, but he isnt evil

he doesnt like the void either

[hollow dock]

he isn't evil

but

he ya know

wants more dead

what better way than an all out world war?

[rich apex]

I am sure Bwomsamdi is collecting all those souls for perfectly innocent reasons

[dense plover]

different degrees of evil

he doesnt want the void to win

[sharp bluff]

Who said it was Bone-salami?

[dense plover]

he helps rrastakhan during the zandalar forever scenario against mythraxx

he doesnt want zul and the void to win

he doesnt support the old gods

he isnt that level of evil

[hollow dock]

we're not saying he is

[sharp bluff]

No I mean do we know which Loa told Voljiin?

[hollow dock]

but placing Sylvanas at the head of the warchief

isn't

[rich apex]

We don't know, no

[hollow dock]

working with the old gods?...

[sharp bluff]

Ok just double checking

[dense plover]

no, we dont know which loa spoke to voljin

[rich apex]

But there are inevitably going to be villains in BFA

who aren't aligned with the Old Gods

[dense plover]

ehhhhhh

we havent seen that yet tbh

theres two main villains

old gods and drust

thats all we have seen so far

next raid will still be old gods cuz naga

and hopefully we see a drust raid

because that story has something there

[zealous basalt]

inb4 new hakkar

[dense plover]

i want hakkar to come back

and i want him to have his story wrapped up permanently

[rich apex]

Zul: well g'huun was a shit blood god, where's another one...

[dense plover]

its literally the perfect expansion for this. we wont see another troll expac for a long time

zul is dead

he dies in the raid

again

for realsies

[rich apex]

AU Azeroth

[dense plover]

but the blood trolls looking to a new blood god isnt insane

[rich apex]

Troll-lords of Kalimdor

[dense plover]

honestly i hope we see hakkar

and i dont know where the story is going following the naga raid

[rich apex]

Drust raid, or mini raid like Trial of Valor

A faction war focused patch

And then N'zoth bursts out of the ground

[dense plover]

nzoth is in the sea

also that would be shitty

nzoth is the sneaky old god

it would be cool if nzoth was unleashed a bit ago

[hollow dock]

there is a quote from D&D

[dense plover]

and we only find out once its gotten really bad

[hollow dock]

that I think applies here

"I think I can stealthily blow up the docks"

[dense plover]

i mean

[rich apex]

There is no sneaky raid bosses

I mean

Aside from the bit where N'zoth's influence is enflaming the faction war

So

You know

I'm watching this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvrzZgZ2ZDw

[hollow dock]

yea its the tech history

[rich apex]

Ion's just gotten to the BFA part

And says "there are dark threats rising even as we fight each other"

🤔 🤔 🤔

"that threaten to destroy the world"

"uncover mysterious threats and secrets"

"risk losing the earth beneath us"

[dense plover]

unrelated to the discussion but its raining and tiragarde and everything is all foggy

normally you can see the water and coastline

its all shrouded in fog

[zealous basalt]

Rest in pasta video cards

[dense plover]

nah

doesnt impact my fps at all

and im on a 5 year old laptop

running on low/fair for most stuff

view 7, environment 6, grass 5

around 30fps in dense areas

usually 50+

[tropic trail]

A laptop

[zealous basalt]

Do lightforged females have large tails?

[uncut vault]

Not playable

[zealous basalt]

Not the playable ones?

[uncut vault]

Don’t think NPCs either, just in the database

[rich apex]

99% sure the NPC ones are the same model

Lord knows there'd be a shitfit otherwise

[sharp bluff]

Ex. Nightborne 😢

[zealous basalt]

I have a question

Think we are going to reach the point of disminishing returns with the Concordance?

[dense plover]

i think voldun is my favorite zone map

its so detailed

and pretty

[tropic trail]

It looks like the Gorgrond map tbh

[dense plover]

its a much better zone

all the zones are some of the most well designed for ground navigation that ive seen in wow since wrath

[dense plover]

they added buzzing sounds to the bee mobs

theyre now gross

[karmic copper]

i like voldun too

[zealous basalt]

Like any bee

[karmic copper]

ive dont everything except atul'aman one

last time i played beta the quest was bugged where u go into the cave beneath atul'aman

is it fixed?

[dense plover]

what do you mean?

the last quest?

i think so

[karmic copper]

Part of the Atul'aman chapter

[dense plover]

i havent run into any leveling quest bugs now

im running into some end game ones

but they just added them

so that makes some sense

[karmic copper]

I'll have to try the quest next time

[zinc sandal]

Are islands up on the beta?

[candid salmon]

what's this about

[worn rune]

Your driver is out of date

[zealous basalt]

KEK

[candid salmon]

what am i supposed to do about that...

[zealous basalt]

go to your graphic card website

download the updated driver

[worn rune]

Alternatively

Just ignore it

[candid salmon]

i can't

[worn rune]

Sure you can, just press ok

[dense plover]

everything is availablee on beta @zinc sandal

[candid salmon]

i updated the driver and it's all good now

i still don't know what drivers even do tho

[dense plover]

they tell the graphics card how to render stuff

[uncut vault]

They drive, duh

[candid salmon]

so did the update improve anything at all?

[west relic]

I like turtles

[dense plover]

me too

[zealous basalt]

It should

[dense plover]

ya know what the best kind of turtles are?

Tortollan

best turtles

[grizzled sleet]

What if they upgrade old turtles models to tortollan and retcon turtles from warcraft

[zealous basalt]

oof

[dense plover]

but then we wont have the cute little wild turtles

[grizzled sleet]

and hunters will tame Tortollans

[dense plover]

also

thats slavery

[grizzled sleet]

[hollow dock]

I mean

technically speaking

a lot of animals in WoW are pretty sentient

so most hunters are slavers

[dense plover]

intelligent =/= sentient

dogs are intelligent

they arent sentient

they can tame some sentient creatures

but they are animals not humanoids

[terse patrol]

Sapient = human-like intelligence

a cat is sentient

[hollow dock]

there are a lot of animals that match that criteria in WoW.

Like the Spirit Beasts are hinted towards being higher than human intelligence.

[terse patrol]

poor makrura

intelligent lobster people

but tasty

[hollow dock]

yo their model update is creepy as fuck

[terse patrol]

they got an update?

[hollow dock]

yea

you never noticed?

they look like legitimate crabs/lobsters as opposed to the old days

when they were all blocky and unrendered

[terse patrol]

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/c/ca/Makrura_(Legion).png

[hollow dock]

their eyes look squishy and it disturbs me

[terse patrol]

ahhh

[hollow dock]

they retro'd that update onto the rest of the Makrura

ye.

[terse patrol]

but ye, idk if its still canon, but they supposedly have their own city underwater

Naga enslave and breed them for food 😦

[hollow dock]

yes. but theyre monsters

[terse patrol]

eh, debatable. They’re fairly agro, but non-hostile makrura exist

[hollow dock]

i meant the naga

:p

[terse patrol]

lol

i think it’d be agro too if everyone liked eating me

[hollow dock]

not towards me tho

I hate seafood

[terse patrol]

seafood is 10/10

[restive sage]

why dose my game keep crashing on dx11

😠

[candid salmon]

are they ever going to fix character copy?

[zealous basalt]

on where

[candid salmon]

the ptr

[dense plover]

it is fixed

as of yesterday i think

[frozen dust]

So are artifacts going to return to the power level they were at pre-Legion? Or will that probably not even get addressed?

[zinc sandal]

They'll become stat sticks

No use for them

[dense plover]

^

they just give stats and item level

traits and abilities deactivate

[frozen dust]

I meant lore-wise

Probably should have clarified

[dense plover]

same thing

they get overloaded and are left powerless

they are sticks

[frozen dust]

Aw

[hollow dock]

Ashbringer becomes just a normal sword

[zealous basalt]

I wonder

In what point of the overload

they just deactivate

and how

[dense plover]

prepatch

and probably because its just too much energy

its like a balloon

you can keep filling a balloon

but eventually it will pop

and then you cant refill it because its broken

[hollow dock]

and all that water just went into the ground

so you can't get it back

to be hung up

and displayed

[forest tartan]

hard to put the black smoke back into the wires

[uncut vault]

I’m wondering if Felo’melorn will be as dinky as a normal sword, or back to a regular elven runeblade

Cause powerless or not, should still have elven craftsmanship

[dense plover]

i wouldnt be surprised if the overwhelming power weakens the physical object as well

[gaunt helm]

@dense plover is my Father

[uncut vault]

I mean, if being shattered can’t bring it down, dunno what can

Maybe that’s what we need to do, just shatter all our weps and let Kael’thas’ blacksmith reforge it

[dense plover]

i thought felomelorn was just broken not shattered

could also be the latent evil titan garbage

that could be another reason to stop using it

[uncut vault]

Cut in two by Frostmourne

[dense plover]

i thought that was a smooth break?

so just two pieces

[hollow dock]

While I last read it like a year ago, I do believe the wording was that Arthas shattered Felo'melorn.

[dense plover]

i mean, yeah the whole elven blades grow stronger thing

i think the latent titan energy will be enough for us to not use it

[hollow dock]

In which I have to ask

How did Kael lose Felo'melorn again?

[uncut vault]

Lost it in icecrown

[dense plover]

it shattered

[hollow dock]

That was before

[dense plover]

and he didnt have time to pick it up

[hollow dock]

the shattering. Did he really just drop it in Icecrown and never picked it up?

[uncut vault]

Yeah he dropped it after their duel, had to teleport out

[dense plover]

he was able to parry frostmourne

but that wasnt enough

it was knocked out of his hand

and he teleported out

[hollow dock]

I guess he was out of pocket sand then

[zealous basalt]

What about Frostmourn

[tropic trail]

It shattered in the ICC raid

And then picked up by the player DK

During legion I must add

[livid steeple]

hey guys

am new here

do any one have an idea where i can find bfa beta key ?

[hollow dock]

Giveaways

#sweepstakes

[dense plover]

or luck

[mortal pewter]

did they make adjustments to "Show me what you got" at the Norwington Estate yet or have they still ignored those two quests?

[zealous basalt]

I tried monk on pvp yesterday

[untold fractal]

I believe the Week 5 beta key giveaway is going on right now on the wowhead website

and they usually do a discord beta key giveaway on the weekends

[livid steeple]

ye but am out of game time

i cant do that achivs

am done with legion just want to try some bfa then i will come back to wow when bfa comes out

: )

what do you guys think when will pre patch come to live servers ?

[hollow dock]

well no other way

Mid-july

[mortal pewter]

okay...no answer to my question i guess 😦

[hollow dock]

I haven't played beta so I can't tell ya Mei

sorry ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense plover]

was there something wrong with them?

they worked a week or two ago

[mortal pewter]

60 seconds isn't enough time to get 350 points for one

[dense plover]

i think its 2 minutes now

maybe 3

[mortal pewter]

the zepplins can't be auto-targeted, we're forced to stop moving long enough to physically target them

[dense plover]

thats part of the challenge

[mortal pewter]

this is from my own experience in trying it

[dense plover]

if you could auto-target it wouldnt be a challenge

doesnt it reward a mount?

[mortal pewter]

i don't know, i never finished it

[dense plover]

pretty sure the 350 one is also an achievement and it rewards a mount

[mortal pewter]

couldn't get past the 150 points

[dense plover]

so its really difficult

pretty sure it is also 2 min now

[mortal pewter]

then i guess i'll see

[dense plover]

if it isnt, make a calm post on the forums

put it in bug report

X cant be completed in the time allotted because there arent enough targets, and even with enough ttargets, you cant get enough points in that time - the time needs to be increased

[ruby star]

Thats the horde riding place in Toras garde sound right? Of so I should probbaly go try that on Beta

Horse*

[mortal pewter]

House Stark rules!! lol

[zealous basalt]

I have a GM joke for you all

[dense plover]

yes

tiragarde has a horse show

its part of the main story for the zone

[zealous basalt]

Why cant a paladin and a rogue have babies?

[mortal pewter]

omg...

[ruby star]

@dense plover oh I should PROBBALY finish it then

Xd

[mortal pewter]

ok why can't they have kids?

[zealous basalt]

Because paladins always use protection and rogue like from behind

[dense plover]

facedesk

[zealous basalt]

:D

[mortal pewter]

God Almighty

my latency on Beta is still annoying....

over 1k world latency, over 700 home...

according to the quest it's still one minute

sheer dumb luck on me, i actually did 150 points after 2 tries

[livid steeple]

at last you have it 😄

am still trying to get to zandalar on ptr 😄

but it says you need to have bfa installed 😄

[hollow dock]

Yea because prepatch is on the PTR

not the beta

[livid steeple]

i know 😄

trying to won an giveaway for beta key

but never lucky

[mortal pewter]

300 is going to be hell to get...

i missed a few dummies trying to hit at a fast speed

1 minute seems to become 30 seconds....

[strange falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419976655021408267/462377649050877973/HunterSet_Vulpera.jpg 🤔 it fits pretty decently at least

[dense plover]

i mean, you can try as hard as you want - you literally cant

ptr wont have beta content

are there heirlooms with sockets?

because jewelcrafting still has the xp gem

[hollow dock]

the garrosh weapons

that's about it

[dense plover]

well

that gem isnt very useful is it

since anyone who actually needs it

has no gear to put it in

[hollow dock]

Garrosh weapons.

[dense plover]

arent those melee only?

and no longer acquirable?

[hollow dock]

the shields do. I can't say for the staff

like the shields dont have em

but the staff might

the weapons all do. Off hands don't

[dense plover]

all the weapons do

hmmmm

are they still acquirable?

no

they arent

yeah

so weapon is useful if you have the mop weapons

i wonder if they might re-add them later

oh

wait

those weapons only scale from 90-100

[hollow dock]

you can increase it I thought

[dense plover]

yeah

guide is confusing

you can still use them below that i think

though i dont have them

and they cant be earned anymore

which sucks

since they are the only heirlooms with sockets

[deft tide]

Man they completely nerfed WW monk for pvp lmao

[dense plover]

?

in what way?

[deft tide]

Stuns + general damage output

[dense plover]

all stuns were nerfed

for all classes

mostly during legion tbh

[zealous basalt]

...they do more?

I mean

[dense plover]

also, damage output wasnt nerfed

thats the stat squish

[deft tide]

General

[dense plover]

theyre on the higher end forr both pvp and pve

[deft tide]

Not like...

[zealous basalt]

Lowered a warrior really fast

[deft tide]

I dunno, I guess I just need to adjust

[zealous basalt]

They feel squishy

[dense plover]

mostly

[deft tide]

Yeah they do

Not many heals

[zealous basalt]

Because you dont have the healing from touch of karma

But that's an azerite trait

[dense plover]

isnt there a pvp talent for that?

[deft tide]

I was in a 2v2 and couldn't for the life of me kill a disc priest

[dense plover]

or that

[deft tide]

I tried to FoF and got feared

[zealous basalt]

Vivify deals more healing

[dense plover]

disc priest is kind of broken right now

itll probably be nerfed next build

[deft tide]

maybe

[dense plover]

this build they did nerfs to match the world nerfs

[deft tide]

But I seriously couldn't kill it and that frustrated

[dense plover]

next build will be balancing across specs

post on the forums

they have feedback stuff for this

[deft tide]

Yeaaah

[dense plover]

there might even already be posts about disc priest

you arent the first person ive heard have this complaint this week

[deft tide]

And by general damage output I meant they cant get as much damage out anymore

[dense plover]

so its likely they will have some nerfs soon

[deft tide]

Dunno if it was just the priest or whatever but i couldnt do anything agaisnt it 😦

[dense plover]

nobody can do as much damage anymore, but im very serious when i say WW monk is on the higher end of dps specs currently

[deft tide]

I got his health down a little tried to FoF, got feared

Shadow mend

[dense plover]

you have to do the combo stuff though

yeah

[deft tide]

Yeah ik i main WW monk on live

[dense plover]

shadowmend is broken across all priest everything

[deft tide]

It's just so different

[dense plover]

its going to be uber nerfed

its the strongest heal in bfa

hands down

[deft tide]

Not even looking at numbers my damage just feels so odd

[dense plover]

its broken

[deft tide]

Yeah seems it

[dense plover]

dont worry

cross-class balance is going to start next build

[deft tide]

Gooood

[dense plover]

since they just did a huge nerf to equalize in world pve

[deft tide]

imo i think it feels better to buff instead of nerf

Ik its a new expac with a squish but i still want to feel like I'm actually doing damage

[dense plover]

its complex - they nerfed npc health and damage by a large amount wednesday, so they had to nerf everything else

ideally, you want to bring everyone to a flat plane, then raise those who need it from there

[deft tide]

Yup

[dense plover]

thats what they are doing actively, right now

they brought everything down to an equal plane in pvp

[deft tide]

That skirmish went on for about 12 minutes

No one was dying

[dense plover]

now they need to work on instance mobs and pvp sutff

which is why they just opened the pvp realm

[deft tide]

Yeah

I honestly hope the combat in general feels a bit better in august when it launches

Ik its beta and everything but I still have that fear

[dense plover]

in pve it feels insanely better

[deft tide]

I mostly pve but lately I've been really into pvp

[dense plover]

like last build, i would die from soloing mobs in pve as a 120 fury warrior

now i can handle 3-5 mobs if i use my abiliities just right

[deft tide]

Oh awesome

[dense plover]

and the amount of dmg npcs do was nerfed about 20%

health too

[deft tide]

Dying to one mob always feels a bit cheap

[dense plover]

its so much better

again, i imagine a similar thing will happen with pvp

over the next few weeks

next pvp season doesnt start until raid opens right?

[deft tide]

Yeah i think so

That's how it was in legion(?)

[zealous basalt]

Survival hunter is a little broken too

[dense plover]

so that gives them an additional few weeks post-launch if they need it

[zealous basalt]

Or feels

Got rekt with 3 hits

[dense plover]

again, this build was nerfs, next builds will be buffs

[zealous basalt]

So azerite armor doesnt give extra stats rite?

[dense plover]

they brought those that needed it down, now they will raise those falling behind to what they set as their control point

it can

theres one on my 345 shoulders that gives 107 mastery and 53 leech

useless for healers

so great for dps and tanks

[deft tide]

Leech is still my fav stat

So satisfying

[dense plover]

nods

azerite traits feel a lot more impactful now

and the little buffs increase with ilvl, so they become slightly bigger

but theyre small enough, where its worth trading a fully unlocked azerite armor piece for a higher ilvl one that has traits you cant use yet

[deft tide]

Interesting

I still miss artifacts badly but azerite seems interesting enough

[tranquil steeple]

Can't be looted, regardless of which spec I was in when attempting to as Pala. Anyone else come across it?

[dense plover]

rreport it

[tranquil steeple]

On it. (edit: reported it, including error message + mob/rare name)

[dense plover]

👍

[zealous basalt]

How to level Legion as BFA early

Step 1

Get yo artifact

Step 2

Don't use ap

[gilded drum]

Is copying your character disabled currently in ptr?

[dense plover]

possibly

its been broken on and off for a while

[uncut vault]

Probably became elite

[elder seal]

Do you guys think these early pieces looks are ought to change before live?

It is kinda obv that this is same gear you get from Argus chests

dunno am i just wasting time by taking screenshots of early gear pieces atm

[zealous basalt]

Of course they don't add that cinematic in the PTR

[rich apex]

in before the cinematic doesn't definitively say who lit up teldrassil

Ion: if you want answers, waiting until 8.3 is over there

[zealous basalt]

inb4 in 8.3

"i forgot"

[grizzled sleet]

Sylvanas ressed Helya as an undead, and Helya burned Teldrassil

[tropic trail]

Umm as a lightforged draenei paladin playing through argus is funny

[limber mural]

Regarding this line 'Once a faction has gained control of the crate, anyone of that faction who is within the area will have a short period to open it and collect a piece of personal loot' is this 'everyone with war mode active' or everyone?

[hollow dock]

The crate is a warmode only thing right?

[limber mural]

So I thought, but the wording made me wonder whether warmode players claim it for everyone

or warmode players claim it for warmode players

[grizzled sleet]

for warmode players only

[hollow dock]

if the warmode crate is for warmode only

then it makes sense that it'd be for warmode players only?

[grizzled sleet]

Well, to claim it you need to be in the area where the crate is located, so you need to be in warmode. And you have a short time period to claim it, if a player is not using warmode he needs to enable it then come to the area which may take time

"Once a faction has gained control of the crate, anyone of that faction who is within the area will have a short period to open it and collect a piece of personal loot."

[sullen dagger]

whaddap guyse

[mint arch]

nm

new horde scenario part out, nothing to argue over in it :<

[sullen dagger]

well, all is expected

i dont really get blizz on that topic

they are hiding something, that's obious so far

but it has to be big to redempt the horde

because so far, it's unslvageable

[mint arch]

but things are being written, that u cant redeem sylvanas's horde

u really cant

one bad from alliance doesnt forgive all the shit from sylvanas

[zealous basalt]

As alliance is rage

As horde is bliss

As both is topkek because Malf and Tyrande bubblehearthed

[strange falcon]

bubblehearting confirmed coming to druids and priests

[dapper cosmos]

Do we know if there is any potential for really fast leveling of alts through the pre-patch content like there was with the Legion pre-patch invasions?

[dense plover]

There is not

They confirmed that this event will not offer leveling

It will offer exclusive transmogs via gear though

[cloud quest]

Do we have a date for the Prepatch?

[boreal pawn]

@cloud quest Not a precise one but expected dates are 3rd july , 10th july or 17th july

I think It's gonna be 10th , about a month before the expansion

[still lily]

I noticed talk of 8.3

Nahh

This shit is going on until 8.8

[dense plover]

july 3rd is not expected

10th or 17th

[cloud quest]

@boreal pawn thanks for the info

[grizzled sleet]

17

not even 10

because

the blue post talking about AP said

He said "It should only affect Artifacts that are below that value. So if you're above Concordance 75 it should keep you at that Concordance value. However you might notice it jump up in a week or two ;)

This just simply upon completion moves everyone to Concordance 75 and then next week another bump, and then another. You get the picture."

Next week is 3 July, another is 10

So prepatch can't be before 17

They also haven't announced the end of season 7, they usually do it 2 weeks before the end. If prepatch is 10 and they announce on july 3, it's just 1 week

[mint arch]

^

D E D U C T I O N

[zealous basalt]

Harvard wants to know your location

[mint arch]

Harvard gonna steal ur brain

[grizzled sleet]

Harvard will heal your scars

[mint arch]

insert i am my scars meme here

[grizzled sleet]

Harvard is your destiny

[uncut vault]

A possible bug that I dearly hope doesn’t get fixed

[terse patrol]

Sick

@uncut vault

[grizzled sleet]

Old Anduid getting Azerite in his shoulders ????

[uncut vault]

Looks more like just generic Draenei crystals

Cause azerite will probably go dormant again after BfA

[grizzled sleet]

Humm

[hollow dock]

sees random crystal formation

Is this azerite?

[grizzled sleet]

[hollow dock]

=3

[grizzled sleet]

[terse patrol]

Dang Velen, outliving everyone

[tropic trail]

And tsk, does it state how old any of them are^

[zealous basalt]

Inb4 anduin got hit with the same spell that hit Khadgar and made him old af

[tropic trail]

Inb4 Saurfang becomes warchief

[zealous basalt]

Do they ever say how Khadgar became young again?

[tropic trail]

Does it ever state how Khadgar didn't die of being old yet?

[uncut vault]

Khadgars only like 50

Was 17 in the first war

Likely scenario is that he caught up with the aging spell, and can groom himself now

[tropic trail]

I dunno, I thought he was older than that?

Like at least his 70s

[zealous basalt]

Nah

[uncut vault]

Well it’s a bit over 30 years since first war, and he was 17

[zealous basalt]

In the second war I think he got hit by the aging spell

[terse patrol]

Mages age slower anyways

[tropic trail]

And then he became a Grandpa with that sexy beard from BC to WoD

[uncut vault]

Aegwynn was what, 800?

Granted, guardian but

[zealous basalt]

I'm wrong, he got his life syphoned by Medivh when he confronted him

..oh

He still has the spell

Just shaved

[uncut vault]

He manscaped

[tropic trail]

No.

[zealous basalt]

Oog

[uncut vault]

Looking pretty fly for a 50 year old guy

[tropic trail]

Ted Bundy did too before he murdered people, tsk

[zealous basalt]

Facial creams seem to be better in Azeroth

[uncut vault]

Gnomes man, had to develop something good for dwarves

[tropic trail]

Don't you mean the Goblins?

[zealous basalt]

Eh wants to die port

[tropic trail]

Goblins > Gnomes

I mean

You're not wrong

[uncut vault]

I mean, canonically no

[zealous basalt]

Gnomes are superior than goblins...

Because their intelligence is legit

[uncut vault]

Gnomes also just canonically do make better stuff, the drawback is it’s complication

Goblins make efficient, faulty stuff

[zealous basalt]

Tho they prefer to take a long of time in their creations to increase the quality

[uncut vault]

Even in BfA, gnomes came up with the azerite war machines

And goblins stole it

[hollow dock]

most of what the goblins have is thanks to the gnomes tbh

[terse patrol]

^

[zealous basalt]

Erm

People

You remember we where talking about aU azeroth rite?

Mind if I get the source again?

[terse patrol]

@hollow dock dude

i just saw how insanely out of balance the horde and alliance bases are in 8.0

The Alliance get a small camp in the three Zandalar zones.

Look what the Horde get

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/726499.jpg

[zealous basalt]

Clearly horde bias

[terse patrol]

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/726512-plunderharbor.jpg

[tropic trail]

[zealous basalt]

coughs

[terse patrol]

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/726523-plunderharbor.jpg

[tropic trail]

Zandalar, the continent where horde has more presence

Shocker

[terse patrol]

er

These are on Kul Tiras Spellboy

[uncut vault]

Tbf, Horde uses two existing ports, and takes advantage of an area with no current militia

[tropic trail]

Not referring to those

[terse patrol]

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/resized/718578.jpg

[uncut vault]

Alliance bases are also either intended for spying, or are in hostile areas

[zealous basalt]

Porter

[terse patrol]

Say hello to the MIGHT OF THE ALLIANCE

https://cdn.blizzardwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/WoWScrnShot_040918_221631.jpg

[zealous basalt]

Were you the one that pasted a Twitter link of AU Azeroth being canon?

[terse patrol]

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/712249.jpg

[uncut vault]

Nah

[terse patrol]

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/news/13144-chapters-of-war-datamined-quests-and-dialogue-alliance-in-zandalar-and-horde-in-.jpg

but yeah

[zealous basalt]

Do you remember who posted it?

[wild pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvrzZgZ2ZDw Ion basically confirms "threats in the background" around 47min mark

[uncut vault]

he confirmed it at blizzcon lol

last line of the panel introducing the xpac was basically "its a battle for azeroth, but what will be left after we're done fighting each other"

[tulip sun]

Nothing cause we destroyed it xD

And i dont see a problen with the bases

[jade basalt]

They said at Blizzcon that Battle for Azeroth was also a battle for Azeroth, the planet, and that Azeroth herself was a character but people forget that she is. < Afrasiabi

BFA was never advertized as just a faction war expansion.

That's just a meme.

[terse patrol]

I think the Horde and Alliance are going to no longer be a thing at the end of BFA tbh

[dense plover]

i doubt it

its a video game

factions will almost definitely still exist

[uncut vault]

I can see them pulling something like SWTOR, factions are still there, and you still have faction specific leveling, but after the xpac that the dissolution happens, everyone can do things together at max level, visit where they wish

[harsh canyon]

2020
World of Warcraft: The New Foundations
Players take place as a representative of their factions race grouping and can decide who to ally up with.
Each server has different Alliances or Hordes or Coalitions in which the groups name is due to mass voting

[dense plover]

oh god no

mass name voting just leads to boaty mcboatface

[uncut vault]

the drama over that on RP servers would be

so bad

[zealous basalt]

Please no

People already suck when they want to make their own rp rules

[steel venture]

please no.

just.

no.

[uncut vault]

I 100% do see them doing new factions post-BfA, but I doubt there will ever be voting stuff

[steel venture]

if there's any new faction anything
just give us an option to be a diplomat (friendly neutral) a mercenary (hostile neutral) or stay a soldier of the horde/alliance

and toggle it like warmode.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous basalt]

Well

[uncut vault]

I wouldnt mind that, hell Id love that, but I was more meaning along the lines of them making new temporary factions to go into for the duration of that story

[zealous basalt]

Honestly I see hard that we could have our own worlds

[uncut vault]

different northrend factons, light vs void factions, etc.

[tropic trail]

Hell, if there was an option to join a new subfaction like light or the void, then I'd be down for that, but you'd have to give more to those subfactions and cater to different wants

[ruby star]

I'd hate that

[wooden topaz]

where is the hall of beasts in zuldazzar ?

[still lily]

@harsh canyon sandbox MMOs are all ass and die quickly

There hasn't been a single mainstream sandbox MMO except that star wars one and that died very badly

I wouldn't ever play WoW if suddenly it became one

They're ass and never work because not everyone is a naive roleplayer

Facts

[jade basalt]

Confirmation that the Mythic ToV sets will be going away with BFA
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765676886#post-5

"It will be going away with prepatch as the achievement will be moved into a Feat of Strength achievement. This will include the box which will no longer be obtainable since it comes from the achievement."

[sharp bluff]

@still lily Galaxies is the game your looking for

[still lily]

Yeah that

Honestly it was only big for two reasons. IP and not having many other modern MMO choices

[tranquil steeple]

this pleases the dh in me

[restive sage]

what

[tranquil steeple]

the tabard 99% of Illidari NPCs in Legion wore, but was unavailable to players

[grim sluice]

soooooooooooooooooo

whats the big deal about BFA

why should I come back to wow for it

ready set go

[sour burrow]

fox and snake people?

[terse patrol]

Those aren’t confirmed, don’t use them as an example

[tropic trail]

I answered it in the main Warcraft channel

[dense plover]

It’s not our job to convince you to come back. It’s more wow, there’s nothing radically different. If you left wow because you didnt like it you won’t like it more now @grim sluice

[still lily]

Honestly if there's a sequel to WoW after BFA or the next xpac I hope it stays mostly the same gameplay wise just with a different faction system that isn't based on Alliance and horde and a more lenient race/class system

But of course with reworks to various systems. I just hope it never becomes another failure sandbox MMO like that guy earlier wanted

[zinc sandal]

Do we know when/if they will add the posture option for Forsaken?

[still lily]

@grim sluice Depends on when you left it honestly, if you left back in TBC or Classic then yeah the game is hella different but if you left back in Cata or MoP The game is pretty much the same

Or even if you left in Wrath

[ruby prawn]

I don't think they will ever add a posture option for the forsaken

[oak wraith]

That video Blizzard posted gives a brief overview of changes in WoW since vanilla. But yeah, it's still WoW😋

@ruby prawn yep, even the "if" is a big unknown.

[grizzled sleet]

Completing Teldrassil questline (Horde) awards War-Torn Reins of the Undercity Plaguebat, and it says "One of the last of the giant bats to escape Undercity following the siege of Lordaeron." But Siege of Lordaeron didn't happen yet

[tropic trail]

Doubt

The bronze dragons are doing some afoul

[urban dew]

@tropic trail Are you referring to the Mag'har scenario?

[tropic trail]

Nah

Just making a joke

[urban dew]

Ah

[tropic trail]

Sorry to mislead you

[urban dew]

Just curious because the Bronze play a role in that

And since when did two blues join in?

[tropic trail]

Good question that I don't have an answer to Birdsnake

[urban dew]

Just noticed them. Surprised me

[grizzled sleet]

Where is everyone today ?

[uncut vault]

Probably asleep. It’s early Sunday morning

[hollow dock]

Im not

[tulip sun]

I recently woke up

[mint arch]

👀

[grizzled sleet]

[mint arch]

[grizzled sleet]

You can't see me

[zealous basalt]

Votes day

[inland vine]

So recently I got the Beta for BfA, any key things I should try and get done/do?

Besides not finish the full story so there is still a suprise to it?

😛

[grizzled sleet]

Level to 120
Complete every quest, do world quests, gear with heroics / mythics
Do it again with 11 alts

[high edge]

@tranquil steeple as i know that tabard still collectable, its from tbc

[tranquil steeple]

That's a different one

The "Slayer's Tabard" is the tabard worn by the Illidari NPCs in Legion, while the tabard you're thinking of is the purple/green illidari trophy tabard(s) awarded from... I don't remember what exactly, but kicking ass against the Illidari during TBC where they were our enemies

and the Slayer's Tabard is DH only

[unborn vortex]

can someone help me

how can i accept this quest

https://i.imgur.com/aDk9TBg.png

[zealous basalt]

Buy the king of seven lions

Sail to the sea

[tulip sun]

I wish i had beta xD

But oh well

Only a little over a month

[inland vine]

1 month 12 days or smthn like that

Well, for Australia, at least.

[uncut vault]

It’s just an issue from the quest not being available when you did it, you can’t accept the quest

[unborn vortex]

sad

[ruby star]

@tulip sun I'm sure you'll get it! 😄 hopefully

[still lily]

LOOK AT ME I'M COOL

[ruby star]

Awesome congrats

[grizzled sleet]

0 friends online, did you kill them to get beta ?

[mint arch]

[grizzled sleet]

🐸

[mint arch]

friends

[tropic trail]

GammaSpark you got beta?

Im the best

[naive meteor]

hey does anyone know if the fishing artifact pole will still be obtainable during BFA

[hollow dock]

it will

[rich apex]

It should be

[hollow dock]

like all artifacts

[tropic trail]

Anyone can help me in the beta?

[zealous basalt]

Fish artifact can be used to drink Sargeras magic

[naive meteor]

lol no way.. does it show up in the cinematic?

[zealous basalt]

I mean

It doesnt have a requeriment to wear x weapon

I wonder if anything goes

[naive meteor]

if i had it id do it and record it. that would be awesome to capture

[hollow dock]

it doesn't IIRC

since the fishing artifact is unaffected by the empowerment thing

[dense plover]

^

[zealous basalt]

Does it survive?

[dense plover]

it can get the effect, but the effect will disappear with prepatch, and the effect doesnt unlock any traits on the fishing artifact

yes

its not going away

and the traits still work

though only 50% are useful since the other 50% are about Legion-specific fish

fishing is actually more important in BfA since its required for cooking

both of the secondary professions are now intertwined

its actually really smart

[tropic trail]

Im the Onlyone!

[still lily]

The only what?

[hollow dock]

wait what about archeology peach?

[sharp bluff]

fried voodoo nuggets

[restive sage]

why do i still not have beta access

[sudden pulsar]

Waiting for launch be like

[restive sage]

blizz has 2 weeks to give me beta access before i riot

[meager warren]

My face 24/7 ^

[grizzled sleet]

my face when I wake up

[uncut vault]

banker has it better, no beard

[meager warren]

Oui, don't diss the beard

[zealous basalt]

What's up with this depression xD

[tropic trail]

More like bored

[zealous basalt]

Give him a 3ds

[strange falcon]

i bet the guy who made that animation

made it because it was exactly how he was feeling

[zealous basalt]

"Time to tell how boring this is"

[tropic trail]

one thing i have to say, not liking the whole expulsom thing

[sullen dagger]

Why?

[zealous basalt]

Expulsom?

[sullen dagger]

The scrap thingy

[zealous basalt]

Ohh

What does it do?

Like the scrap yard?

[grizzled sleet]

http://www.wowhead.com/news=285240&webhook/new-scrapper-ui-on-bfa-beta-source-for-profession-reagents-and-expulsom

@tropic trail I don't see why you don't like Expulsom ? It seems like the equivalent of Blood of Sargeras

[tropic trail]

because to make a set of armor you have to craft then scrap like 5000 thingd

[grizzled sleet]

why ?

You can get Expulsom from different sources not just scrapping

Just like Blood of Sargeras

[tropic trail]

i havent seen it from other sources yet

however, i only just hit 120

[grizzled sleet]

You can get it from mining, skinning, herbs etc...

[sudden pulsar]

So you’re telling me I’ll just end up having another four stacks of not-sargerite filling my inventory

Nice.

[tropic trail]

i havent seen any from skinning

[grizzled sleet]

You can get it from Mining, skinning gathering herbs, milling, prospecting, disenchanting, Scrape-o-matic 1000 and World quests at level 120

[tropic trail]

only scrapping

[grizzled sleet]

A lot of people got it from different activities, it's just like Blood of Sargeras

You can also get it from alchemy (5 per day) with Transmute: Expulsom

[dense plover]

^

rank 3 gathering has a chance for it

also, you can scrap all gear, not just crafted gear

any gear from BfA, even quest gear, can be scrapped

i have like 40 expulsom

and the reason you need a lot is because the gear that neeeds it is REALLY GOOD

there is some raid equivalent gear - ilvl 385

which is why there is a raid crafting item as well

[tropic trail]

how do you get into the beta?

Do you just wait for blizzard to email you?

[grizzled sleet]

Yes, it's http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=162461/sanguicell it drops from raid bosses and you can use to craft 370 and 385 gear

[zealous basalt]

Blizzard doesnt email you

It just appears

[dense plover]

i mean, they do, but it takes way longer than the actual beta tag

[grizzled sleet]

Maybe you can get it by scraping raid gear too ?

[dense plover]

possible

we dont know

not exactly lots of raid gear going around

[grizzled sleet]

Yea but

When you craft it's random stats, you need to be able to craft more than one

[tropic trail]

oh ok

[grizzled sleet]

They drop 100% from each boss kill, but for 385 gear you need 250

Which means clearing Uldir 30 times

for just 1 piece of gear

So PvP scaling is only for 110-120 now, RIP low levels

[uncut vault]

booo

[grizzled sleet]

We were experimenting with using the system to also work between much larger level gaps (i.e. a level 60 player vs a level 120 player), but have decided to only utilize it for players at level 110 to 120 for now.

[zealous basalt]

So

Lower levels get ganked

[grizzled sleet]

RIP

[uncut vault]

wheres this from?

[grizzled sleet]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765546605?page=3#post-46

Blue

[dense plover]

i think its neccesary

[dense plover]

otherwise gear impact is negligible

yes @tropic trail we know, please stop posting the same picture

once is enough

[grizzled sleet]

I think they must set the weekly mythic+ chest to 2-3 loots instead of 1-3
Maybe set it to drop 1 weapon / azerite armor + 1 other piece of gear and the third is random

[uncut vault]

the post already states that gear will be impactful, scaling was clearly not finished

[grizzled sleet]

First raid tier don't have a mythic last boss mount ?

[hollow dock]

what peach means is that when you scale things based on ilvl

[grizzled sleet]

Just like EN?

[hollow dock]

gear is far less impactful

[uncut vault]

but it's still doing that? theres no change on that front

[grizzled sleet]

I think scaling with low levels should only allow them to not be oneshooted and have a chance to use def cds or run away

[uncut vault]

that was the intent of the previous builds, which is why Im sad to see it go

obviously they werent finished tuning, but removing it all together is unfortunate

[zealous basalt]

Gankers were crying because of that

[grizzled sleet]

Gankers gonna gank no matter what you do to stop them

[tropic trail]

How long does it take to get invited to the beta? I just updated my beta setting to WoW an hour ago. And will you have to level characters in the beta too? or do they start at 110?

[hollow dock]

depends and it can either happen next build

or never

it's entirely random

honestly, at this point, just wait the month

[tropic trail]

ok

[zealous basalt]

You can put your chars in beta

There is also a 120 realm for pvp

[tropic trail]

Oh that's cool

[uncut vault]

having really good or really bad specs can increase your chances, though I dont recommend intentionally trying to get either

[grizzled sleet]

Participating on the PTR can increase your chances too

[zealous basalt]

It runs flawlessly on my i3

[grizzled sleet]

Depends what i3 is that, some i3 are equivalent to an i5

[zealous basalt]

5th gen

2ghz

8gb ram

[grizzled sleet]

Mythic+ is out the same week raid opens or 1 week before?

[zealous basalt]

Integrated graphics ftw

[grizzled sleet]

I was reading something about Mythic+ from 2016 and someone was speculating that Mythic+ Keystones may drop from raid and world boss

Just like someone from 2020 / 2021 will read my speculations about Tortollan allied races and laugh

[hollow dock]

How was Mythic+ handled with EN?

it'll most certainly be handled the same way

[grizzled sleet]

Yea I was just trying to find out by reading posts about mythic+ from 2016, seems like mythic+ was out 20th september, is it the same date as EN?

[hollow dock]

Yup

mythic was one week later

[grizzled sleet]

so unlike other raid tiers we won't be able to get a high ilvl item from weekly chest before raid

[hollow dock]

That's not how

the other tiers

worked

O.o

[grizzled sleet]

This is how it worked

[hollow dock]

You get up to Mythic quality gear

when mythic of the tier is out

then the gear gets squished

in the next tier

and you can't get higher than the heroic of that tier until mythic

that's how it's been in Legion

[grizzled sleet]

with Nighthold for example if you completed +10 the week before you get a high ilvl item right?

[hollow dock]

no

you got a ilvl appropriate to the converted ilvls chart that blizzard releases the week before Nighthold came out