beta-ptr-spoilers

[zealous basalt]

But Vris

[hollow dock]

like the highbornehadbeen doing

[zealous basalt]

what the heck are you on?

[solar vapor]

no no so

as I recall

[tropic trail]

When Vris forgets the spacebar

[zealous basalt]

High elves = Blood elves

[hollow dock]

My spacebar is slightly borked

sue me

[solar vapor]

highborne kicked out for the whole well of eternity

[hollow dock]

they weren't Grimm

[solar vapor]

much later they become high elves

[hollow dock]

that was a misconception on the wowpedia page.

[solar vapor]

I'MCONFUSED

[tropic trail]

They're just the remainder of the magic using Elves that kept their mana supplied

[solar vapor]

kicked out for being.. Mages?

[zealous basalt]

Thing is

[hollow dock]

OK so. Highborne want a font of power

theyre addicted

they cause a mana stormin Ashenvale

Tyrande exiles them for this

they apologize

and leave

[solar vapor]

ooooh yeah

okay

[hollow dock]

they become high elves in their travels over in Eastern Kingdoms

[zealous basalt]

Dank trolls -> Nelves/Belves -> High Elves -> Blood elves -> Void elves

[solar vapor]

some highelves join alliance.

[hollow dock]

they make the sunwell. those closest become heavily addicted and reliant

[solar vapor]

divide happens, highelves mostly leave and isolate.

[jade basalt]

The Highborne were exiled for breaking the laws, causing mayhem and resorting to violence.

[hollow dock]

Not true Grimm

[tropic trail]

Dank Trolls

Tell me more about the Dank Trolls

[solar vapor]

then arthas blows up sunwell

[hollow dock]

The high elven kingdom all joined the alliance.

all of em

second war. they join in.

[solar vapor]

yes but some left and isolated

[hollow dock]

Post second war, they leave.

[solar vapor]

what I meant

not all of them left I don't think

[hollow dock]

they all leave with the exception of those in dalaran like Kael'thas

[tropic trail]

And the few in Stormwind

[solar vapor]

(a few you mean a few thousand)

essentially

[hollow dock]

more or less.

[solar vapor]

some high elves stay

[hollow dock]

The divide in the people come post-arthas

[solar vapor]

almost all in their population of probly millions

go back home

arthas

sunwell goes poof

[hollow dock]

Kael'thas orders the people to draw manaon living beings

some do it

some don't

those that don't

exiled out

[tropic trail]

Some still forget their spacebar

[hollow dock]

they stay High Elves

fucking sue me

[solar vapor]

so we have high elves pre and post arthas

[hollow dock]

yes

[zealous basalt]

Sues

[tropic trail]

I will

[solar vapor]

part of the alliance

[hollow dock]

Those that were exiled out by Kael

[solar vapor]

annnd that is what people want to play

[hollow dock]

went into the alliance

from that point onwards

the high elveshave a massive struggle story that can be explored and delved into

[solar vapor]

How long ago were they exiled.

like 30 years?

[hollow dock]

right after Kael'thas returns from Northrend

[solar vapor]

maybe longer

[hollow dock]

so roughly 30ish years

[solar vapor]

30-40 years

[tropic trail]

I like 50

[zealous basalt]

Why was Kael turned into a billain?

[solar vapor]

those pre-arthas might have been even longer

[tropic trail]

It's a nice rounded number

[solar vapor]

well how long has it been since vanilla to now legion

20 years?

so 30 + 20 = 50

[hollow dock]

Well

no

[tropic trail]

I doubt that long

[hollow dock]

that's not how it works

that'snot how time works

[solar vapor]

more like 10 years maybe

anduin went from child to man so

[hollow dock]

30ish years ago, the schism happens

[solar vapor]

meh fuck it.

[hollow dock]

20ish years ago is when Vanilla starts

[tropic trail]

Anduin was king during part of Vanilla if I remember correctly

[hollow dock]

he wasn't

[solar vapor]

he was a tiny kid

bolvar was his advisor

[zealous basalt]

He was King Anduin

[solar vapor]

along side prestor.

onyxia

[hollow dock]

Prestor was ruling I thought

[solar vapor]

haha nah

[tropic trail]

Nope.

[hollow dock]

since she was on the throne

[zealous basalt]

With Bolvar as his High Advisor

Well

[tropic trail]

Anduin was king tsk

[solar vapor]

she was just telling everyone what to do.

[zealous basalt]

Bolvar and Onyxia

[solar vapor]

there was no throne

[tropic trail]

Just not the official ruler

[solar vapor]

andiun just stood in the middle of the room

like a pleb

varian came back shortly after that

[tropic trail]

He had his shitty ass model with his even shittier scepter

[solar vapor]

then varian/lo'gosh

[tropic trail]

Then Varian dies and I laugh as I slaughter red dragons

[zealous basalt]

The fuck you talking bout

[solar vapor]

bolvar. From high advisor to king anduin to lich king

[zealous basalt]

pulls zweilhander

Respect the dragons m8

[solar vapor]

Pretty sure crystal is a death knight

[tulip sun]

It was 2004, the graphics wouldn't be great e.e

[solar vapor]

death knights basically genocide the red dragonflight

[tropic trail]

And I was fine with that

[zealous basalt]

I hope it is not canon

[solar vapor]

because they want to find a really special snowflake dragon corpse

[zealous basalt]

Oh yeah?

[solar vapor]

I mean

[zealous basalt]

I will be fine breaking you piece by piece

[solar vapor]

regardless

you genocide a lot of them

[zealous basalt]

The quest said just get these objectives

[tropic trail]

Trying so hard not to saying anything sexual

[zealous basalt]

Not fucking obliterate them

[solar vapor]

and there is extra lore dialogue

if you do

so

[hollow dock]

its not extra lore

its extra character flavor

[solar vapor]

remember you don't have to save gammon

[tropic trail]

And an achievement

Well

[hollow dock]

all you get is

[solar vapor]

but what's canon

[tropic trail]

Was

[hollow dock]

"You're hollow inside, jsut like me"

[solar vapor]

Optional stuff is USUAULLY the canon option.

[uncut vault]

Not killing them is canon

[tropic trail]

And if it's any consolation

[solar vapor]

is it

I'ma need comfirmation

[hollow dock]

thanks Port

[tropic trail]

I had a lot of fun slaughtering them

[uncut vault]

It’s the default in BfA

[zealous basalt]

Thanks!

[solar vapor]

is it?

[zealous basalt]

Great

[hollow dock]

yup

[solar vapor]

confused

how is it the default

[hollow dock]

Ok so Grimm

[solar vapor]

like.

[hollow dock]

make a DK

[uncut vault]

If you have a fresh DK that does the quests, the dragon thanks you for your tolerance

[hollow dock]

and do the quest

without

[solar vapor]

LULWUT

[hollow dock]

doing hte order hall quest

Grimm, you're aware of the quest right

where we go and stop some shitstain DK that tries to mimic our actions

and raise his own mount

[solar vapor]

uhh

i don't have beta

Just ptr

[hollow dock]

Dont need it

[zealous basalt]

Default options mean canon

[hollow dock]

to know

LOL

[solar vapor]

is saving gammon default?

[tropic trail]

Yeah

[solar vapor]

interesting

[zealous basalt]

Yes

YES

[hollow dock]

OK so. After the Deathlords stuff in Legion

[zealous basalt]

Victory Vris

[hollow dock]

where you get a mount

and all that

[tropic trail]

Because he became the head guard if I remember correctly

[hollow dock]

some DK wants to copy you

so you go and stop him

[solar vapor]

That's actually hilarious.

[hollow dock]

cuz fuck that guy

[solar vapor]

I love it

[tropic trail]

Between you and me

[hollow dock]

if you never did the mount quest

it defaults to

[solar vapor]

"RIPPIN MY STYLE ASSHOLE!? I'LL KILL HIM"

[tropic trail]

It's probably Vris trying to cop my style

[hollow dock]

"thanks for showing restraint. I know it isn't easy."

[solar vapor]

what do the dragons say if you murdered all the dragons.

do they try to murder you

[hollow dock]

"FUCK YOU, YOU MURDERED ALL THE DRAGONS GET OUT OF HERE"

more or less that's the dialogue

[solar vapor]

sounds about right.

Being a DK is so interesting

[tropic trail]

Prepare to inhale my undead taint

[solar vapor]

at this point personally I suggest neither is canon.

the better question to ask is what would darrion mograine do

because he's the one who weilds apocalypse in the cutscenes

[tropic trail]

Die in the paladin order hall

[solar vapor]

KEK

[hollow dock]

that cutscene is also

sort of

not canon

maybe

[solar vapor]

IT'S SO CONFUSING

[hollow dock]

we need confirmation but it appears it's not canonically what happens

[solar vapor]

what does

[hollow dock]

since we're apart of Legionfall

but segregated

to a few artifacts

[solar vapor]

who are the highlords?

[hollow dock]

even though its supposed to be all the order halls

doingthis at once

butits only like 6

[solar vapor]

apparently six horde six alliance

or somebullshit

[zealous basalt]

seriously tho

[hollow dock]

from the Broken Shore intro we can assume that

from a single player perspective

the secondin command of eachorder hall is their leader

[tropic trail]

Also

[solar vapor]

except demon hunters

[tropic trail]

I kinda wish there was more lore about the Aldrachi

[hollow dock]

Their secondin commandis Korvas

[solar vapor]

ko'vas is the leader not whoever idiot you pick as DH

[zealous basalt]

I am still

Happy

[solar vapor]

since when was liadrin the paladin second in command

[zealous basalt]

That the red dragons are alive

[solar vapor]

who the fuck gave ashbringer to that bitch.

[tropic trail]

You did

[hollow dock]

well

Tirion did

[solar vapor]

I mean you know all the red dragons die right

[hollow dock]

supposedly

[solar vapor]

Bullshit and she bitches about the alliance being ingrates

[hollow dock]

they dont grimm. it's notthecanon :p

[solar vapor]

no

like

they can't breed anymore

[tropic trail]

I let Darion touch my apocalypse and he's been stealing it ever since

Smh

[solar vapor]

that is the last generation

[hollow dock]

yea. that's the last batch

but dragons

are still eternal

for life.

[tropic trail]

Not to me

[solar vapor]

well after the power loss..

[tropic trail]

They're d e a d

[hollow dock]

Can live for tens ofthousands of years

[zealous basalt]

For you

But who cares about you Lilo

[solar vapor]

I mean what would Darion do

[zealous basalt]

Wait

grabs zweilhander

I do

[hollow dock]

not kill them all

apparently

[solar vapor]

considering he's basically a puppet with bolvar's hand up his ass

at this point

[hollow dock]

since canonicall

[zealous basalt]

equips giant's armor with dad mask

[hollow dock]

canonically

tha'ts theway its handled

[solar vapor]

brb getting my falchion

[tropic trail]

Equips a halberd

[hollow dock]

don't forget DMB

and your hornet ring

[solar vapor]

I would never

[hollow dock]

and WotG

[tropic trail]

Dues Vult

[solar vapor]

lul hornet ring

[hollow dock]

and FAP ring

[solar vapor]

try havel's favor ring baby

DEUSVULTINFIDELS

[zealous basalt]

ALL WHAT YOU NEED

AND DON'T FOCKING FORGET

[hollow dock]

FAP ring is best ring

[zealous basalt]

YOUR CHAOS ZWEILHANDER

[solar vapor]

Flippy ring disagrees

as does hornet

[zealous basalt]

Black flame

black flam

[hollow dock]

that means new game plus bitches

[zealous basalt]

THAT MEANS NG+ BICHTES

[tropic trail]

Guys

[zealous basalt]

Well, what is it

[tropic trail]

We need Mythic+ raiding

[hollow dock]

please

no

[solar vapor]

honestly I am not looking forward to the DK campaign

[tropic trail]

Yes

[hollow dock]

for the loveof god

no

[solar vapor]

oh god

[tropic trail]

Time that shit

[solar vapor]

speed run

NO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[zealous basalt]

I am running the dk campaign

[hollow dock]

thereis no DK campaign

[zealous basalt]

because it turns interesting

[hollow dock]

unless you mean in legion

in which its by far the best of them all

[solar vapor]

The DK campaign in legion

[zealous basalt]

Wait Vris

[hollow dock]

Nazgrim x Strangulate is the best ship

ever

[zealous basalt]

The thing you are talking about

[solar vapor]

pft hahahaha

[zealous basalt]

the dk that mimic us

How do we get that quest?

[solar vapor]

Oh I can't wait to murder him

[hollow dock]

No idea

[tropic trail]

It's not in Legion

[hollow dock]

I just know it's there

[tropic trail]

And tsk

[solar vapor]

BFA ptr

THE DEFAULT COULD CHANGE

YOU NEVER KNOW

[hollow dock]

Stop trying to cause genocide

[solar vapor]

Imagine they swap the default the day of release

[hollow dock]

if you want daily genocide, go play warframe :p

[tropic trail]

Can't cause it if you already did it

[solar vapor]

better yet

just make it so the response by the dragons is totally fucking random if you didn't do the quest before

[zealous basalt]

That wouldn't be good tbh

I am okay with red dragons surviving

[solar vapor]

it'd be fun hearing people complain on the forums for a while

[tropic trail]

I'm not

[zealous basalt]

---and if black dragons somehow survived...

[hollow dock]

I mean

[zealous basalt]

Who fucking cares about you man?

[hollow dock]

they stated

in cata

[zealous basalt]

points down

[hollow dock]

Wrathion aint omniscient

[tropic trail]

I care about you ;-;

[hollow dock]

he's missed a lot of blacks

[zealous basalt]

Yes

Vrist

[hollow dock]

in his genocidal campaign

[zealous basalt]

But they get a 'young' dragon scale

[solar vapor]

but honestly it just makes more sense to make the quest to stop the copy cat only available if you did the mount quest.

[hollow dock]

yes from the purified dragons we slaughter

[solar vapor]

Well he missed the blacks, outside azeroth.

[hollow dock]

its canon that the quest happened

no matterwhat Grimm

[zealous basalt]

How are there even young blacks?

[hollow dock]

because

[solar vapor]

well yeah

[hollow dock]

eggs

werne't all

destroyed

in cata

[solar vapor]

but then the canon outcome is based on what you did

[hollow dock]

then its not canon

[solar vapor]

so there is no canon

[hollow dock]

as there's be 2 canon endings

[solar vapor]

like always

[hollow dock]

which there never is

in any game

[solar vapor]

there are 2 canon endings all over the place

[hollow dock]

there's always 1 canonical ending

[solar vapor]

uhhh

nope.

there can be more than one canon ending in a game

there are, several

[hollow dock]

Show me a universe from a video gamein which multiple endings are canon to the overarching storyline

[solar vapor]

games that have this.

oh that'd be fuckin easy

chrono trigger.

[zealous basalt]

Star focks command

[solar vapor]

mass effect

like big one there

[hollow dock]

false on mass effect

the canon ending is that the reapers are destroyed

[solar vapor]

mass effect 3

[hollow dock]

yes

[solar vapor]

I'm talking mass effect in general

[hollow dock]

it hasmultiple endings

the canon one

for its ending

reapers ded

[solar vapor]

mass effect 1 and 2 have several canon endings

[hollow dock]

andgone

[solar vapor]

depending on who you save and who you don't

haha gotcha

[hollow dock]

haha the canon is neutral shepard

as that is what it defaultsto

[solar vapor]

that's the default because that's the easiest way to make a default

[hollow dock]

In which that is their canon

[solar vapor]

who ever the fuck said that neutral shepard is canon

[hollow dock]

the gamesand universe itself.

[solar vapor]

default =/= canon

[hollow dock]

You alter your own story

but what they placein there

that's canon

[solar vapor]

don't you get to pick in mass effect 3 what happened in previous games

if you don't have a save

[hollow dock]

same with 2

[solar vapor]

so.

[hollow dock]

i you dont have a save

[solar vapor]

no canon.

you pick the canon before the game starts

[hollow dock]

If you have no saves and play each game

you have no choice to alter it

from the base story

the base story being hte canonone

canon one*

[solar vapor]

okay so let's skip mass effect because the cursor puts you on "neutral" when you first go in

dumb reason to say it's canon

chrono trigger.

[hollow dock]

that's the story they wrote

[solar vapor]

into chrono cross.

[hollow dock]

I can't speak for Chronotrigger as I never actually played it

[solar vapor]

there are basically like

nearly twenty endings

[hollow dock]

That's cool

[solar vapor]

and over a dozen have canon validility

[hollow dock]

canon validity

and what the company says is canon

areseparate things

[solar vapor]

because the sequel is a story about how the many endings are all real

it's a game about time travel

[hollow dock]

That's kinda cheating aint it

[solar vapor]

and the time travel fucks up timelines causing them to become voids which is what chrono cross is about

[hollow dock]

if you have twenty timelines

then yea

all twenty endings are canon

[solar vapor]

yep

it's cheating but it works

[zealous basalt]

....Red dragons survives and that's all

[hollow dock]

^

[solar vapor]

or they don't

[hollow dock]

its canon

it's the default

[solar vapor]

it's canon if I decide to kill them

[zealous basalt]

No "if" and nothing

[hollow dock]

it's what blizzard said is canon

[zealous basalt]

If you decide

But

[solar vapor]

when did they say it was canon

[zealous basalt]

Who the heck

[hollow dock]

If you ALTER THE STORY

then yea

[zealous basalt]

Cares about you?

[solar vapor]

it's just the default

[hollow dock]

When they put it in game

as the default

[zealous basalt]

PC's don't have a lot of weight

[solar vapor]

that isn't comfirmation

[hollow dock]

that's the story they want to go with

at base

yes it is

[solar vapor]

that's like saying the champion of azeroth's names

are in canon

the randomizer names

[zealous basalt]

kek

[hollow dock]

it doens't because that alters the story

[solar vapor]

open up create new character

this randomized model

[hollow dock]

which is something you're not understanding

altering the story

[solar vapor]

is the hero of azeroth

[hollow dock]

stops it from being canon

[zealous basalt]

BUT

[solar vapor]

so in CANON

[zealous basalt]

BLIZZARD'S STORY DOESNT FUCKING CARE ABOUT US

[solar vapor]

I never killed argus

[zealous basalt]

UNDERSTAND

[solar vapor]

because

I had to alter the story

to do that

[hollow dock]

"Heroes of the Order halls" did

[solar vapor]

by doing something

[zealous basalt]

Because you are a casul that doesn't raid

[hollow dock]

whoever those heroes are

is upto us

butthe canon

[solar vapor]

this is the problem with warcraft canon

[hollow dock]

left it ambiguous

[solar vapor]

because there is no canon

[hollow dock]

thereis a canon

[solar vapor]

because when you bring back onyxia's head

"THESE HEROS HAVE SLAIN ONYXIA"

but the default

is varian

[hollow dock]

Even though

yea

[zealous basalt]

....

Boy

[hollow dock]

that's just game mechanics

[zealous basalt]

Fine

[solar vapor]

here's how I feel about it.

[zealous basalt]

Wait for Chronicles then

[solar vapor]

the story cannot be properly told in game

[hollow dock]

it can't

andnormally isn't

but it is in the books

[solar vapor]

so any in game evidence

[zealous basalt]

Because it's an ONLINE GAME

[hollow dock]

and the books

[solar vapor]

is non-canon

[hollow dock]

PULL

FROM

THE

[solar vapor]

the BOOKS

[hollow dock]

GAME

[solar vapor]

are canon

[hollow dock]

Grimm

the books pull from the game

that makes the game

canon

[solar vapor]

no

[hollow dock]

yes

it does

[solar vapor]

I could go squat in uther's tomb is that canon

I can go kill onyxia

[hollow dock]

No because YOU ARE ALTERING THE STORY

I KNOW

[zealous basalt]

What part

[solar vapor]

is that canon.

[zealous basalt]

of

[hollow dock]

HARD CONCEPT

BUT SAY IT WITH ME

[solar vapor]

but what is the story

[zealous basalt]

YOU DON'T FOCKING CARE

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

[hollow dock]

YOU ARE ALTERING THE STORY

[solar vapor]

what the game says when you ALTER the story

AREN'T YOU ALTERING THE STORY BY KILLING THE GUY GOING FOR THE MOUNT

THEREFORE THE QUEST TEXT IS NONCANON

[hollow dock]

NO YOU AREN'T

[solar vapor]

HOW SO

[hollow dock]

THAT IS CANON

[solar vapor]

NO

[hollow dock]

YES

THE STORYLINE IS

[solar vapor]

BECAUSE YOU AREN'T THE HIGHLORD IN CANON

[hollow dock]

DEATHLORD MCGEE JUST GOES

[solar vapor]

SO YOU CAN'T KILL HIM DARION DOES

[hollow dock]

AND FUCKS UP

THIS DEATHKNIGHT

THAT SAYS

"HEY FUCK YOU MENG"

AND HTE CHICK THANKS THE DEATHLORD

FOR BEIN A KIND ASSHOLE

[zealous basalt]

kek

[solar vapor]

BUT MY QUEST

[hollow dock]

THEN BUGGERS OFF TO WHATEVER IT IS DRAGONS DO THESE DAYS

[solar vapor]

IS DIFFERENT

[hollow dock]

YOUR QUEST

IS IRRELEVANT

YOUR STORY

IS IRRELEVANT

[solar vapor]

WHY IS MY QUEST ALTERING CANON BUT YOURS ISN'T

[hollow dock]

TO WOW'S CANON

[solar vapor]

YOUR QUEST

[hollow dock]

BECAUSE I CHOSE THE CANON PATH

YOU DIDN'T

[solar vapor]

IS IRRELEVANT TO WOWS CANON

HOW DO YOU KNOW

[hollow dock]

BECAUSE

[solar vapor]

YOU CHOSE THE CANON

[hollow dock]

IT'S IN HTE

BASE

GAME

THE COMPANY CHOSE

[solar vapor]

SO IS KILLING THEM ALL

[hollow dock]

THIS OUTCOME

TO REPRESENT

THE

[solar vapor]

THAT OUTCOME IS EQUALLY REPRESENTED

[hollow dock]

IT ISN'T

[zealous basalt]

MY ASS IS EQUALLY REPRESENTED

[hollow dock]

YOU'RE JUST IGNORING WHAT I SAY

[solar vapor]

IF IT WERE CANON YOU DIDN'T KILL THEM THERE WOULD BE NO SPECIAL DIOLOUGE IF YOU DID

ALL CHOICES ARE EQUAL AND CAN BE CANON

THAT IS WHY

[hollow dock]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

[solar vapor]

THERE ARE SEPERATE DIOLOUGES

[hollow dock]

HOW

THIS WORKS

YES

[solar vapor]

THE REASON THEY SAY "thank you for restraint" IS BECAUSE

YOU DIDN'T KILL THEM YET

[hollow dock]

EXCEPT

GRIMM

IF YOU NEVER DO THE FUCKING QUEST

[solar vapor]

YOU CAN STILL KILL THEM AFTERWARDS

[hollow dock]

TO GET THE MOUNT

YOU ARE REWARDED THE DEFAULT DIALOGUE

[solar vapor]

THAT MEANS THAT THAT QUEST IS NON-CANON

[hollow dock]

THE CANON DIALOGUE

[zealous basalt]

BOI

I STG

[solar vapor]

DEFAULT AND CANON IS NOT THE SAME

[hollow dock]

YES

IT

IS

[solar vapor]

HOW CAN THEY TELL YOU "YOU KILLED THEM" IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET

YOU'RE FUCKING UP SPACE TIME

[uncut vault]

🐒 what’s goin on here

[solar vapor]

THE MOUNT QUEST HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE QUEST TO STOP THE MOUNT MAKER

WHICH MEANS BOTH OPTIONS ARE VALID RESULTS

[hollow dock]

Grimm is stating that killing the red dragons is canon

[zealous basalt]

BUT YOU DECIDED TO NOT DO IT

[solar vapor]

I said both are canon

BUT I DID

[hollow dock]

even though the game gives you the default dialogue

[solar vapor]

WHAT DID DARION DO

[zealous basalt]

ITS CANON TO YOU

[hollow dock]

that you never did kill them

[solar vapor]

you fucking BREAK time

[zealous basalt]

BBUT NOT TO THE FUCKING GAME

[solar vapor]

by doing it that way!~

[zealous basalt]

UNDERSTAND

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER'S STORY

[solar vapor]

the default diolouge is a fucking paradox!

[hollow dock]

I think my explination to port

got lost

[zealous basalt]

NO ONE CARES THAT YOU PLAY WOW

[tulip sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pter7BIzxXI&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=p4NhUmFEsdVPYG_v-6

[solar vapor]

how could someone have been copying your handiwork

[zealous basalt]

o

[solar vapor]

if you never did it!

[zealous basalt]

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE

stfu

[hollow dock]

BECAUSE

IT

ASSUMES

FOR

YOU

[solar vapor]

the quest is completely and utterly non-canon if you did not do the quest!

but you can go back

and do the quest

[hollow dock]

LIKE MASS EFFECT ASSUMES YOUR PAST FOR YOU

[zealous basalt]

...

[hollow dock]

EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN GO BACK AND PLAY 1 AND 2

[zealous basalt]

"HOORDE"

[hollow dock]

AND CHANGE IT

[solar vapor]

and prove that assumption wrong!

IT'S A TIME PARADOX

But in all seriousness

either outcome is canon to whoever personally did the quest

the "canon" outcome can not be defined until blizzard defines it outside of the game

and even then that outcome could be completely overwritten/retconned

as it already has been like

twice

IT used to be an achivement, achievements were canon

[hollow dock]

no cinematic and everything is burning

[solar vapor]

then it got removed

now it's the default

[hollow dock]

they removed the achievement not for story reasonstho

[solar vapor]

the default could be removed and playing through the first quest to get the mount could become required

[zealous basalt]

...

Motherfuckers

THEY DIDN'T ADD WHO BURN THE TREE

[solar vapor]

I mean on the alliance storyline

[hollow dock]

its in the cinematic mak

we wont see it

[solar vapor]

"They're burning the tree"

[hollow dock]

We have to wait

[solar vapor]

inb4 the cinimatic is just watching the tree explode and nobody explains jack shit

[hollow dock]

until august

roughly

for the cinematic

[solar vapor]

and it's left to be a mystery

[hollow dock]

nah to many people would be raiding blizzard HQ foranswers

[solar vapor]

like people did for the old god whispers

how well did that go

[hollow dock]

pretty well

[solar vapor]

what is the circle of stars again

[zealous basalt]

It seems that Sylvanas did it tho

[solar vapor]

oh right we don't know.

[zealous basalt]

I mean

that's a lot of firepower

[solar vapor]

oh shit what

[hollow dock]

She invaded with a very large sieging force. With a lot of destructive power behind it

to a small village in Dark Shore

[zealous basalt]

Yeah

[hollow dock]

🤔

[zealous basalt]

But how would they...

You know

Aim to the big thing?

[hollow dock]

Supposedly there was Azerite near Teldrassil thatthe alliancehad

port found it on beta

[zealous basalt]

Oh

...That would make sense

Just...one thing.

To the Azerite

[solar vapor]

Oh

shit

there is a quest where you gather azerite

[hollow dock]

and you meet infront of the world tree

why would you meet

in front of the world tree

if you were just going to occupy it

[solar vapor]

ahhh so sylvanas fires off some weapons, proly powered by azerite.

[zealous basalt]

Because monologue

[hollow dock]

why not just fly there

[zealous basalt]

Vris

[solar vapor]

that meets azerite supplies...

[zealous basalt]

Monologue

[hollow dock]

or sail there

why isn't there a horde fleet as well?

[solar vapor]

rip teldrasil

[zealous basalt]

There might be

I mean

[hollow dock]

Wouldn't you need a fleet to get there?

They all invade by land

[zealous basalt]

Unless

[hollow dock]

there's no fleet

[solar vapor]

So sylvanas did blow it up

[zealous basalt]

They yoloed it

[solar vapor]

just not on purpose

[zealous basalt]

And shot from where they were

[solar vapor]

good job sylvanas

I like that her response to it is to say

"Fuck they're going to be really mad now"

not like she's at all displeased with the fact she just blew up the tree, just mad she got caught

[dense plover]

we dont know it

[zealous basalt]

she would be like

[dense plover]

we cant treat it like a fact

[zealous basalt]

"...oof."

"didn't expect this"

[hollow dock]

anything to ensure mama sylvie didn't do the burning ey

[zealous basalt]

"....is anyone hungry?"

[dense plover]

if she did it she did it

but we dont know

i dont treat a theory as fact

until its proven as fact

[zealous basalt]

until prepatch

because no cinematics

[hollow dock]

Gravity isn't fact. Remember kiddues

[zealous basalt]

I mean

Vrist

they have

those flying things

[hollow dock]

Exactly

[solar vapor]

honestly it seems VERY likely she did it

considering she says

[dense plover]

gravity iss a scientific theory

[solar vapor]

"wasn't expecting this"

[hollow dock]

yup. A theory.

[zealous basalt]

they could have fly there and put the azerite charges on the things

[hollow dock]

Not fact

[zealous basalt]

And be like

[dense plover]

scientific theories are not the same as other types of theories

[solar vapor]

"was trying to make a wound"

[dense plover]

they are not even the same definition

[zealous basalt]

"Well let's hope Gallywix was correct"

shoots

[solar vapor]

she kind of almost outright states it.

[zealous basalt]

shits starts to explode

"...oof."

[hollow dock]

Scientists have admitted that yes. Everything in science can be proven wrong.

Just noone has

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar vapor]

well actually

[tulip sun]

Her saying she did not expect the outcome us not a confirmation

[solar vapor]

there have been things proven wrong

[dense plover]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/just-a-theory-7-misused-science-words/

not the same meaning

[solar vapor]

"I just wanted to make a wound, not this"

if that doesn't scream

"I did something and it fucked everything up"

I don't know what does

It does make a lot of sense though.

nobody REALLY knew the power of the azerite

until now

[dense plover]

"Part of the problem is that the word "theory" means something very different in lay language than it does in science: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. But to the average Jane or Joe, a theory is just an idea that lives in someone's head, rather than an explanation rooted in experiment and testing."

[hollow dock]

Kham's a horde apologist and peach just likes to deny anything and everything

[tulip sun]

If your using quotes, get the correct full one

[dense plover]

dont misuse the word

[solar vapor]

I mean she basically says

[dense plover]

i dont accept anything as fact until its proven so

[solar vapor]

"I wanted to make a wound"

[dense plover]

thats not unreasonable

[solar vapor]

"They will come for us"

peach you know that's a lie.

you accept a ton as fact if it fits your argument

[hollow dock]

If it barkslike a dog, walks like a dog, and eats like a dog but you can' tsee it

[solar vapor]

even if it's not true

[hollow dock]

do you still say "It can be something that isn't a dog"?

[solar vapor]

beyond a reasonable doubt

[dense plover]

until i check its bone or dna

it isnt a dog

its a dog-like being

science

[solar vapor]

"HELP THIS DOG-LIKE BEING IS BITING ME IN THE ASS"

[dense plover]

otherwise we would be calling hyenas canines

and they arent

[solar vapor]

we did tho

for a long time

[dense plover]

yeah

[solar vapor]

till we developed better tech to figure that out

[hollow dock]

until someone

proved it wrong

[dense plover]

thanks for proving my point

[hollow dock]

which is what I said

[solar vapor]

so we have to assume what we can

[hollow dock]

shockign

[solar vapor]

until new information presents itself

being wrong isn't bad

[zealous basalt]

if gravity isn't a thing in wow

[solar vapor]

it means you're learning something new.

[dense plover]

some scientist said ' i dont accept this, it doesnt seem right, im going to figure it out myself''

[zealous basalt]

Why do I die when I fall

[solar vapor]

well no

[hollow dock]

yea. Like I said

[solar vapor]

some scientist wanted to know more and found out "oh oops"

[hollow dock]

"Everything in science can be proven wrong."

[solar vapor]

"that's not quite right"

[hollow dock]

"Just no ones done it yet."

[dense plover]

no

laws cant

scientific laws are proven right

[solar vapor]

laws can be proven incorrect

actually laws are changes a LOT

we base all theories on a set of laws we ASSUME are true

when one of these laws is proven UNTRUE

we get a new one

[dense plover]

we dont assume that

no

literally no

why do you do this?

[solar vapor]

all basis of understanding is on assumptions

because without assumptions we cannot know anything

how do I know you're real

[dense plover]

scientific laws arent declared scientific laws until they have been proven correct in every situation imaginable

[solar vapor]

now that's just not true

[dense plover]

yes it is

it literally is

[solar vapor]

prove gravity by going to pluto to prove it exists

have we done that

no

[dense plover]

its a theory

gravity is a theory

[solar vapor]

give me a law

I'll break it

[dense plover]

thermodynamics

[solar vapor]

we have to go to pluto to do thermodynamic tests

[hollow dock]

so wait

you said

gravity is a law

and is fact

[dense plover]

Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system

[hollow dock]

but now its a theory

[dense plover]

i said it isnt

its a theory

[solar vapor]

otherwise we have not tried every method imaginable

peach you're just flat out wrong

[dense plover]

but scientific theories arent the same

[solar vapor]

laws are assumed things to be true

[dense plover]

no

[solar vapor]

and if they are ever wrong we get new ones

[hollow dock]

I'll leave you two love birds to this

[tulip sun]

So, apparently the trollsin Saurfang's forces are Shatterspear. That is interesting

[dense plover]

A scientific law is a statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some aspect of the universe.

[solar vapor]

how is the law of conservation of energy true

[dense plover]

we havent ever had a scientific law be wrong

[solar vapor]

if we haven't tested it on pluto

[zealous basalt]

You two

[dense plover]

because it happens everywhere

[zealous basalt]

Go to offtopic

[solar vapor]

it's a scenario imaginable

[dense plover]

literally everywhere

[tulip sun]

Qok guys

Back to wow

[dense plover]

it happens in other galaxies

we observe it

[zealous basalt]

Peach

To offtopic

or mod

[solar vapor]

end of discussion

[zealous basalt]

TO

OFFTOPIC

grabs and trhows thign into offtopic

[tulip sun]

Sooo

About them shatterspear

Thats interesting

[tulip sun]

Just confirmation, not only are the NPCs identical to the database

But look at bottom right corner

[mint arch]

i missed argument

and it spilled into off topic as well

[dense plover]

shadowforge city is available

can be accessed via the mole machine

[zealous basalt]

INSTA 120 REALM UP BOIS

[tulip sun]

No comments about the shatterspear?! xD

[zealous basalt]

I just

dont' know what are they

[tulip sun]

They were a troll tribe that joined the Horde and were then practically decimated by the Night Elves during Catacylsm.

Cataclysm*

They are BACK FOR REVENGE!!!

They l lived in Darkshore

[zealous basalt]

...

Killl dem bastards elves

[tulip sun]

Blizz remembering them details xD

[terse patrol]

@dense plover so the mole machine can go to Shadowforge, Ironforge, and Stormwind?

[tulip sun]

Am I the only one wanting Leper Gnomes to be playable? e.e

Look at the innkeeper

He is precious.

[dense plover]

yes

it can go to all 3 places

and embassy has a mole machine too

[untold fractal]

Instant 120 realm?

[dense plover]

pvp only

i think

[untold fractal]

Ahh

[dense plover]

they added more objects to the shell game!

spiky turtle, small robot, crab with a pirate hat holding a spyglass, shark jaws

[zealous basalt]

...Wowowow

nice

[tulip sun]

Hmm

I asked this before i feel but

Are all 3 races at the embassy now?

[dense plover]

uh

i think?

[tulip sun]

That thing is gonna get crowded.

[dense plover]

i mean

the npcs wander around the city and stuff

they just add more npc types to each city

[plain vigil]

Shadowforge get fresh models?

[tulip sun]

The buildings itself didn't

[plain vigil]

If so any pics :3

[tulip sun]

But they have a lot of very neat NPCs

One vanilla guy that was originall removed from the game.

and a lady that was in a short story from Pandaria

[dense plover]

in shadowforge?

no?

[tulip sun]

Ya

[plain vigil]

Rip

Where are the mag'har bunking?

[dense plover]

ogrimmar

they dont get a hub

because they leave gorgrond

[tulip sun]

They are houses in valley of honor

Shoved in a corner like the huojin lol

[zealous basalt]

Poor m8s

Also

Entered the 120 realm

The general chat is cancer

[untold fractal]

Bwemsamdi is kind of a dick isnt he

[urban dew]

He's hilarious

My favorite line from him is if he talks to a dead paladin

[untold fractal]

what does he say?

[urban dew]

"I think ya followed the wrong light mon."

[untold fractal]

LOL

so far i've gotten "Dat Blink didn get ya very far, did it"

[urban dew]

Yeah, I absolutely love his lines

[crystal spade]

love this loading screen

[cinder knoll]

looks cool

[tropic trail]

really lookin forward to this expac

[zinc sandal]

I just did the infiltration mission for Horde and... Zul’s a fucker and I love him

[near stratus]

There’s a instant 120 server for pvp now?

Hell yeah

[hollow dock]

There arent pvp servers. Just war mode @near stratus

[unique meteor]

instant 120 m+ servers when? 😄

[high edge]

Anyone know something about locks glyphs in bfa?

I mean i prefer the old animations on destro

I didnt like that kamehameha chaos bolt

Is it possible to get back the old ones?

[uncut vault]

No class gets glyphs to go back to old anims

[high edge]

And any "hack" or pack are possible what is modifying that?

[uncut vault]

Prolly not, since the anims are replaced, and not allowed

[high edge]

Sht boi

Not fair

[grizzled sleet]

Getting up to 3 pieces in weekly Mythic+ is the best news I head about BFA so far

[still lily]

Best news I've heard is lightforged Draenei

[unique meteor]

best news are kul'tiran females!

[high edge]

Mag'har are the best news

[grizzled sleet]

Meh no

Best news are Sethrak

[zealous basalt]

Besto news are Allied races*

[grizzled sleet]

Best news is Garrosh 2.0

Best news are Lightbound Draenei

Best news are Holy Undead

[hollow dock]

the Draenei aren't Lightbound. that's the orcs

[grizzled sleet]

🐸

[mint arch]

🦃

[frozen dust]

What's the mood today lads

[jade basalt]

There are Lightbound draenei