most of them
#beta-ptr-spoilers
solar vapor
dense plover
they have nothing to do with old gods
solar vapor
again what is Bwonsamdi
dense plover
the rest are strong spirits
solar vapor
there are no wild gods of death.
rich apex
Presumably we will find out
tulip sun
Like Bwombadsi and Vol'jin obviously are not wild gods
dense plover
bwonsamdi is a spirit too strong to be moved out of the material plane
solar vapor
but where did he come from
dense plover
thats the other way loa are created
rich apex
I'm sure Bwomsandi is collecting all these troll souls for a purely innocent reason
solar vapor
just, had a hard on for death huh
dense plover
far beyond that of a normal mortal
its the same way that voljin might become a loa
loa are generally benevolent spirits
solar vapor
I mean, considering the fact that in BFA the trolls are getting an entire storyline based around a old god..
dense plover
or neutral
solar vapor
and some trolls worshiping it
tropic trail
Blood trolls
solar vapor
just. just saying
tropic trail
Not all of them
tulip sun
I think it is impossible for Vol'jin to not become a Loa at this point
dense plover
look, ive played through the story
solar vapor
The fuck has Vol'jin done since mop
dense plover
loa are not minions of the old gods
they can be corrupted by the old gods
some have
solar vapor
now that's a interesting statement
tulip sun
As any being can
solar vapor
Honestly the entire storyline surrounding sylvanas just screams old god influence
all over it
tulip sun
Sylvanas has ALWAYS been like this, lol
dense plover
the void screams that they hate her
solar vapor
She dies on saronite in wrath
dense plover
and want to kill her in the comic
solar vapor
remember
dense plover
the void is the same power of the old gods
solar vapor
the void lords hate eachother.
dense plover
no they dont
solar vapor
you serious
dense plover
what the fuck are you talking about?
solar vapor
the old gods enslaved the elemental lords
still lily
I just realized something
solar vapor
so they could fight eachother
dense plover
old gods hate each other
solar vapor
the old gods wage war on eachother constantly
dense plover
void lords dont
solar vapor
you think the void lords don't hate eachother?
tropic trail
It's never been stated that they do
solar vapor
they literally want to eradicate all existence, including other void lords and themselves.
tropic trail
So you can't say they do
dense plover
no they dont
solar vapor
they hate pretty much everything
solar vapor
It's been stated the void wants to eradicate everything
tulip sun
You are as bad as Vris.
solar vapor
including themselves
solar vapor
well- now we're stuck on semantics
still lily
Sylvanas is like the only undead with red eyes. The eye color of an undead shows who their allegiances are. Vol'jin had a striking red gaze noticeable in his death scene and he serves the loa, troll gods of death. Why If Sylvanas is an agent of the loa?
dense plover
do you know why they want to corrupt a titan?
solar vapor
are they alive
dense plover
they want to corrupt a titan
so they can enter the material plane
and make everything void
still lily
OH MY GOD I CRACKED THE CODE
tulip sun
All undead elves have red eyes
solar vapor
Where is THAT stated
tropic trail
;-;
still lily
I cracked the code
solar vapor
and again- what the hell constitutes as "living"
still lily
Code = cracked
dense plover
its the reason they created an old god
solar vapor
so the old gods want to make everything void
tulip sun
The loa probably know that undeath scares the void, and with Sylvanas as Warchief they may have a chance to win.
solar vapor
but they hate other old gods
tropic trail
When Gamma is trying to get someone's attention
solar vapor
whyyyy
still lily
I will accept my reward now
dense plover
all of the old gods were created because void lords cant leave the voidd realm
void lords are not old gods
void lords created old gods
solar vapor
that doesn't answer the question
still lily
@tulip sun EXACTLY FAM
solar vapor
why would you make creations that war with eachother
solar vapor
isn't void just literal chaos
dense plover
one parasite wants control
still lily
Omg
tulip sun
I mean, it is not rocket science, I don't see how people can still believe that old gods whispered to Vol'jin
tropic trail
Okay, guys, hold on.
solar vapor
You stop
dense plover
everything you are saying is factually wrong
still lily
Code = super cracked
tropic trail
Can we step the fuck back
solar vapor
you're so stupid and wrong
tropic trail
And regroup
solar vapor
like oh my god
tulip sun
Grimm, you are just being toxic now.
solar vapor
can we just admit i'm right
still lily
I'm sorry, I liked my theory ;w;
tropic trail
Can we just fucking calm down
dense plover
sarcasm or not
solar vapor
Piss off
still lily
I'm really sorry ;w;
solar vapor
I'm not arguing with someone who's just going to say "You're wrong and that's that"
You're constantly mistaken about something and you say "Oh whatever I mean like'
tropic trail
Grimm, sorry to tell ya, but he has been right
solar vapor
I get something that you think is wrong
tropic trail
For the most part*
solar vapor
"STFU BADDY"
jade basalt
The void lords can leave the Void and enter our universe, the Great Dark Beyond. But they lose their energies over time when they do that and thus need to consume matter and energy continuously. World-souls being extremely rare, that's not a practical method to find them. So they created the Old Gods and hurled them everywhere in the cosmos, hoping that a few might land onto a planet that contains a world-soul. The Old God(s) would then corrupt that nascent titan, turning it into their servant that would destroy and consume the universe in Void.
dense plover
old gods were created by the void lords to infect the great dark beyond because void lords cant directly influence it
solar vapor
consume the universe
Oh wow peach
guess you were wrong according to mind
it's so obnoxious when you're wrong stop talking /s
jade basalt
It's not been stated that the void lords "hate each other".
solar vapor
you said they can't leave
dense plover
they can leave for a bit
dense plover
but if they leave they die
jade basalt
They don't die
dense plover
its like saying an octopus cant leave the water
they can for a bit
but they essentially cant
dense plover
yes they dont die, they lose their power
solar vapor
you don't need to try and retcon what you said so you aren't "Wrong"
tropic trail
@solar vapor This is meant for discussion, not disrespecting people
solar vapor
you make a mistake that's fine.
jade basalt
According to Chronicle they pretty much all have the same goal. It's part of their nature, they're Void beings. However they also mentioned that, like a few naaru might have different methods or ideologies (like Xe'ra), maybe a few void lords might do so as well.
solar vapor
why is being incorrect about something such a fucking mark of shame here.
The question I have for void lords
dense plover
im generalizing, im not trying to be specific. myy point was that the void lords cant just stomp around the universe like the titans
tropic trail
Because no one is willing to admit they're wrong
solar vapor
is if they really don't hate eachother
solar vapor
why does the void CONSTANTLY sabotage itself?
hollow dock
same reason the Sith do. Plot.
jade basalt
I mean, they may not like each other, or they may, we just don't know. The void lords were only ever mentioned in Chronicle and it just scratched the surface, didn't go into detail about any kind of relationship or anything. For now, they're just a name.
solar vapor
like, why do the void allied ethereals try to steal the power of other void entities?
jade basalt
All we know is that they have a common goal.
solar vapor
and that common goal is consume the entire world (of warcraft)
dense plover
no
hollow dock
Consume the cosmos!
dense plover
^
tropic trail
...
dense plover
by making a void titan
dense plover
thats the only plan we know of
solar vapor
because that's the plan of the old gods
hollow dock
Consuming the cosmos is their grand plan. Seems to me that it's supposed to be a cycle.
dense plover
^
jade basalt
why do the void allied ethereals try to steal the power of other void entities?
Different beings. They may all come from the Void or get their power form the Void, that doesn't inherently make people allies. Just like demons from planet X can kill or submit demons from planet Y. Or how humans kill trolls or tauren kill dwarves.
hollow dock
Dark devours the Light only to be destroyed by it only to be devoured by it.
Oroboros. Essentially.
solar vapor
crazier still is the fact that the void CAN be used to defend life at all
dense plover
the void sees all outcomes, so its not crazy
hollow dock
well yea. Light and Void are just energies.
tropic trail
Ever seen a Discipline Priest?
hollow dock
Both are capable of healing and safety as well as destruction.
solar vapor
the void sees all outcomes and believes in all of them
dense plover
it doesnt believe any of them
hollow dock
We see this expressed incredibly well with Spires of Arak.
solar vapor
wasn't the entire thing that the light sees one outcome and believes that one
dense plover
it doesnt know which one is true or not
solar vapor
but the void sees all and believes them all to be true, which is why it's so fucking crazy.
dense plover
yes and the void is the opposite
tropic trail
Let me know when this chat simmers down.
hollow dock
Light sees only one path and think it true
dense plover
it sees all paths and believes nothing
hollow dock
Void sees all paths and thinks they're all possible truths. Both are blind
forest tartan
dr strange would wrek void with his timestone
hollow dock
as they're both extremes
solar vapor
so same result different reasoning
solar vapor
I mean
dense plover
one is complete order, the other complete chaos, both are evil
jade basalt
Keep in mind this is mostly Locus-Walker's poetic interpretation. It doesn't mean that, say, a worshiper of the Light or a Light being can't consider or believe in more than 1 path, and it doesn't mean Alleria or a Void being can't form plans based on only 1 solution.
solar vapor
that's what I was trying to get across
hollow dock
It's meant to show that no matter the side, it's just extreme points.
solar vapor
Every outcome is a possibility.
hollow dock
So theyre both blind
dense plover
its why both sides are evil in extremes
solar vapor
so the void lords would be basically capable of feeling anything towards anything.
dense plover
but in moderation, neither are evil
jade basalt
They're.. "incomplete". You need both to get the whole picture.
hollow dock
^
solar vapor
they could love or hate each other and both interpretations are true.
hollow dock
to both peach and Quiet
dense plover
thats wwhy alleria can see the future
forest tartan
the holy side is spilling over its cup for awhile now.
dense plover
she uses both the light and the void to guide her
hollow dock
Yup. And Xala does state that shedoesn't hate those of the Light
instead, she sees them asjust lost children.
solar vapor
She sees the future by eliminating the impossible futures
forest tartan
thats why illidan was like nope.jpg
solar vapor
the futures of her killing arator are immediately thrown out
I don't think she really uses the light
solar vapor
Xera said she can't use the light anymore after becoming void touched
hollow dock
She abandoned those to use the Void.
dense plover
i thought in the audio drama she used both
solar vapor
she used light until she met shadow
hollow dock
She used Arator as an anchor
solar vapor
then it was all shadow
jade basalt
She doesn't use the Light anymore. That was before, she had received a vision from the Light, but it was incomplete. Then she started studying the Void, and she got the other half of the vision. Now she's solely using the Void (she can't use the Light anymore).
hollow dock
Using her love forhim to guide what is true and what isn't
solar vapor
That is interesting
I'm not sure what that was about
did they use her as a sort of beacon to come to the sunwell?
did they, come out of her?
or did they go there because they wanted to tempt her into taking the sunwell, which they couldn't???
or...
hollow dock
As I am aware
solar vapor
did they do it.
hollow dock
she was a sort of Beacon
solar vapor
because they wanted to prevent her from getting too close to the sunwell
solar vapor
Maybe the sunwell meeting alleria would have done, more than just a simple meeting
hollow dock
Which is why the practices of the void are strictly prohibited
solar vapor
maybe they feared it.
dense plover
big bloc of text
"The Locus-Walker kept her firmly afloat. "You have known the Shadow as nothing but horrors. The
Shadow sees the Light in the same way. Neither viewpoint is true. Neither is wrong." The roar of the
Void nearly drowned him out. The masters of the Void were clawing at her mind. She barely fought
them off. "The Light seeks one path and shuns all others as lies. The Shadow seeks every possible path
and sees them all as truth."
More visions. Possible futures. She saw Xe'ra, the Mother of Light, declaring her a heretic and calling for
her death. She saw her blood on Turalyon's sword. She saw Arator calling an army of paladins to hunt
her down, only to fall with her arrows in his throat. She saw herself kneeling before the One Who
Slumbers beneath Azeroth's waves. She saw herself killing it and taking its place, leading a throng of
horrors to consume every nation.
As she swam in the Shadow, all these visions seemed true. At first.
Slowly she began to see the difference between the Shadow's memories… the Shadow's plans… and the
Shadow's desires. And from that…
Destiny. She saw what the Light could not. She saw what even the Shadow could not, because, yes, it
was just as blind.
She saw terrible choices. She saw noble betrayals. She saw… victory, in a way she could scarcely
comprehend.
And among all of that, she saw countless events that would never happen. The lies of the Void were
strong, intoxicating, but they quickly collapsed.
Perhaps one day she would fall to madness. Perhaps one day she would betray her allies. She was
capable of it. But she would never, not in any possibility, not in any circumstance, harm her son. She
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would never lift a finger against Arator. Even if he killed her for what she had become, she would accept
it gladly. The weight of that truth kept her afloat. And she could feel the Shadow's confusion. It did not
understand the bonds between mortals. It did not understand that there were some things that could
not be corrupted."
theres this whole thing
about her not just using the void
and being able to see through the lies
solar vapor
uhh
I don't think it says anywhere in there that she used the light
just her love for her son
hollow dock
in that passage she isn't using either side
solar vapor
which the void never understood.
hollow dock
she's just shifting through the Void's visions
dense plover
oh
solar vapor
She's using the concept of love, that the void can't understand
hollow dock
^
solar vapor
like the void UNDERSTANDS the light
dense plover
woops
hollow dock
No worries peach
hollow dock
It happens to us all
solar vapor
mortal bonds
dense plover
huh
solar vapor
something that is neither light nor void, a pure, human emotion
dense plover
til that part was cheesier than i thought
dense plover
yep
solar vapor
like
she loves her son THAT much
and she just fuckin met him!
determination of a mother is a strong thing
though her having a kid is a total fucking retcon anyway
hollow dock
which is why I am so confused on people thinking only because of the Windrunner comic that Arator being Alleria's anchor means he'll die
jade basalt
There's also a part where she caresses her son's cheek from thousands of light years away through the Light.
dense plover
i mean
she met him a long time ago
then she left
for a long long time
at least for her
dense plover
ofc
solar vapor
yeah
hollow dock
Like after sheleft
dense plover
its been a while
solar vapor
like she never knew her son, watched him grow up or any of that.
dense plover
but not that long
solar vapor
I mean 20 years is a loooong time
dense plover
yeah
forest tartan
cmon now we all know thralls mom is da best
hollow dock
1000 is slightly longer
solar vapor
his whole childhood
dense plover
how old is arator?
hollow dock
like 20 something
solar vapor
21?
dense plover
oh shit
solar vapor
can't be much older than that
dense plover
i didnt realize they left so soon
hollow dock
He was born right before the expedition
solar vapor
yeah
dense plover
that makes his character story way more tragic
solar vapor
Oh yeah
solar vapor
he was raised never knowing any of his family
hollow dock
yup
dense plover
holy shit, that light cutscene was the first time he met his father
hollow dock
it's why he's so determined to find any sign of them
dense plover
thats intense af
solar vapor
but because all this stuff is information you have to figure out on your own
in the background
hollow dock
same peach.
dense plover
but she did say she would fall to the void eventually
solar vapor
the tragedy is sweet and perfect
dense plover
boy will that fuck with the family dynamics
hollow dock
And I, for one, welcome our new void waifu overlord
dense plover
no
hollow dock
Nah. It' sjust shadow form
dense plover
she sees in her vision that someday she will fall completely to the void, unable to control herself
solar vapor
but that vision could be false
dense plover
no, that was in the future vision she saw
zealous basalt
Latest-news thing shines
solar vapor
at this point the power of prophecy in wow is bullshit
zealous basalt
"Oh great, the part 2 of the horde"
hollow dock
She has no retort because in a way, from a certain perspective she did givein
solar vapor
remember we saw a vision of time where Nozdormu's mate was killed?
dense plover
those are different
dense plover
visions of time are literally alternate/possible future things
hollow dock
^
dense plover
we still havent seen the formation of the infinite flight either
hollow dock
It wasn't wrong
dense plover
theres still an entire collapse of the bronze dragon flight that needs to happen at some point
solar vapor
at this point visions in wow are bullshit.
solar vapor
I'm just asking
solar vapor
how are we sure that alleria's vision is absolute?
dense plover
the light sees one path and thinks it is true, that doesnt mean it is
hollow dock
Because Alleria shifted through the lies already
dense plover
because they made it out to sound that way
hollow dock
she knows the difference
dense plover
and we have to trust the writers
hollow dock
Literal context clues
dense plover
^
we have to assume as players that the information we are given is true until proven otherwise
hollow dock
In the passage before her admitting it is her separating the voids truthsfrom their lies
She knows the differences
it's inevitable that she falls
solar vapor
eh. we just went through an entire character arc with velen saying fate doesn't exist
hollow dock
It's not her fate
solar vapor
and that nothing is predetermined
hollow dock
Like Nozdormu
solar vapor
that's the definition of the word
hollow dock
and him dying
as Murzond
to us
That always
has
to happen
its just how the timeline works
solar vapor
didn't we recently totally break the timeline with alternate draenor?
hollow dock
nope
zealous basalt
How did he became Murozond tho
solar vapor
which is the only reason the legion invaded
hollow dock
AU Draenor is a separate timeline
solar vapor
but
zealous basalt
He tried to modify the timeline, right?
solar vapor
but gul'dan from that timeline
solar vapor
is the only reason legion happened
solar vapor
I'm just saying at this point either you have to go full IC and suggest that visions in wow are bullshit because anything could happen
hollow dock
All the events of Wod, minus Ghoulish daniel beingsent to our timeline, DO NOT AFFECT OUR TIMELINE
solar vapor
or go full ooc and say the writers don't have to stick to whatever the fuck visions say and can do anything.
dense plover
^
solar vapor
but what about the brown skinned orcs coming from au draenor and joining us on azeroth
dense plover
warlords is an alternate timeline outside our own because of the artifact that kairozormu used to create it
hollow dock
^
dense plover
we use the same artifact to go back to that timeline
solar vapor
at this point the writing is so fucked you can reasonably argue literally anything
hollow dock
that still doesn't affect our timeline
zealous basalt
Blame that infernal apparatus
solar vapor
but in order for the future to happen WoD had to happen
zealous basalt
The Vision of Time
jade basalt
It was one of the "possible timelines", and Kairoz made it come to life with the Vision of Time. Keep in mind it's technically an entire universe, not just Draenor.
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
And we helped him
dense plover
its just draenor
jade basalt
Nope
hollow dock
Legion
dense plover
its in a bubble
dense plover
they literally confirmed that in a QA
dense plover
lol
solar vapor
errrr- how would they have invaded without the broken shore
hollow dock
regardless of Ghoulish Daniel
jade basalt
They confirmed the existence of AU Azeroth, so.
hollow dock
You get someone else to do it
dense plover
no
solar vapor
OH GOD WHAT IS GOING ON
hollow dock
I trust Quiet more
dense plover
lemme get the quote
forest tartan
zoth is... well zoth is somwhere
zealous basalt
ohh
jade basalt
They literally said there is an AU Azeroth, but we would never see it.
forest tartan
solar vapor
... o.0
hollow dock
OK so Grimm
so you dont get lost
cuz me and Peach and Quiet can juggle a few topics at once
WoD doesn't affect our timeline
solar vapor
AU azeroth never got blown up huh
hollow dock
Legion was going to invade us
solar vapor
I mean
jade basalt
"I still get the same question over and over again -- is there an alternate Azeroth to go with the alternate Draenor?
Yes!
Are we going to see it?
I would never say never, but it's not planned right now."
hollow dock
regardless of WoD happening
jade basalt
solar vapor
ohshit
dense plover
the fuck?
solar vapor
I didn't know this either.
solar vapor
haha
solar vapor
I wonder how AU azeroth is doing
hollow dock
Noorcs. No ogres
dense plover
tauren probably were wiped out by centaurs
hollow dock
there's a HUGE SLEW OF POSSIBILITIES
solar vapor
last we checked in with medivh and the bronze dragonflight
hollow dock
I know Peach
dense plover
damn
solar vapor
without the orcs azeroth dies
hollow dock
CRAZY I SAY
hollow dock
Actually no Grimm
tulip sun
That would be sad
solar vapor
nonono
hollow dock
so no horde
tulip sun
At least the Highmountain would still be alive
dense plover
well
hollow dock
no old god shit
solar vapor
bronze dragonflight basically said
dense plover
we dont know what would happen with archimonde without the horde
solar vapor
"No orcs means burning legion 3rd invasion you would lose"
dense plover
i mean
solar vapor
but that's the THING
dense plover
broxigar did that thing
zealous basalt
But
hollow dock
That's the thing Grimm
solar vapor
archimonde is DEAD
dense plover
where he cut sargeras right?
zealous basalt
We killed Archimonde
hollow dock
That's the thing
dense plover
but like
dense plover
if that didnt happen?
hollow dock
SHUSH
zealous basalt
And apparently the demons doesn't give a fuck for timelines
hollow dock
TRYING TO EXPLAIN
solar vapor
AU azeroth would NEVER have been invaded by the legion!!!
dense plover
does sargeras win?
hollow dock
GUYS
zealous basalt
wtb gf
hollow dock
TRYING TO EXPLAIN
OK.
AU Draenor
we stop their first invasion
all other events we have to assume
happen on AU azeroth
solar vapor
except third invasion
hollow dock
So everything up to first invasion time
solar vapor
no archimonde
solar vapor
no world tree blowing up
hollow dock
No first invasion
solar vapor
MAGNI
hollow dock
No second war
uncut vault
dense plover
wait
dense plover
but the legion is the same everywhere
hollow dock
It is
dense plover
so yeah
solar vapor
"we would have to find a new world"
dense plover
no nerzhul
zealous basalt
Yeah, but atm Legion is defeated
dense plover
no lich king
zealous basalt
So in our current time
hollow dock
Yup
zealous basalt
AU Azeroth is a perfect utopia
hollow dock
with no legion to wage that third war
dense plover
alternate northrend is probably yogg city
uncut vault
He accomplished what Garrosh and Varian could not, working sitting anim
hollow dock
I KNOW RIGHT?1
dense plover
who would stop cthun?
dense plover
the whole planet is probably void infected
hollow dock
with the dragons.
uncut vault
Nobody, because they wouldn’t be released
dense plover
void elves couldnt do it
dense plover
hmmmm
uncut vault
Chronicles retconned Chogall into freeing them
dense plover
true
hollow dock
the old gods dont get out
solar vapor
the world probably continues on as intended
tulip sun
I imagine more wars would start with the trolls and such, against the humans or elves.
dense plover
yogg still leaks though right?
solar vapor
IS ALIVE
hollow dock
He's slowly and barely leaking through
dense plover
like fandral would still be an idiot wouldnt he?
hollow dock
but he'snotable to do anything more than that
zealous basalt
Well
dense plover
we have to assume everything azeroth happened prior to that pint with the legion
solar vapor
oh
hollow dock
that still happened
solar vapor
nevermind yes
zealous basalt
Unless Aszhara in her thrist of power fucks all making a war
solar vapor
fandral would still be stupid
dense plover
like that azeroth, legion wouldnt show up where they normally show up from the 1st war on
dense plover
but they had to show up for the war of the ancients and stuff
zealous basalt
So not Deathwing?
dense plover
so old god prisons are still weaker than intended
hollow dock
Yes deathwing.
dense plover
^
solar vapor
deathwing became deathwing with well of eternity
hollow dock
But the old gods can't get free
dense plover
cataclysm would still happen
hollow dock
since no Cho'gall
solar vapor
but he probably got dealt with before cata
hollow dock
I dont think cata would happen.
solar vapor
with no lich king or cho'gall to worry about
dense plover
i mean, deathwing still gets corrupted either way
hollow dock
Since the old gods don't get as free and don't gather asmuch power as they do in our timeline
as again, Cho'gall is missing
solar vapor
yeah but we can go kill him instead of dealing with the other shit
hollow dock
and he's amajor player there
hollow dock
100%
dense plover
and a servant of the old gods
solar vapor
wait wait
hollow dock
100%
solar vapor
the dragon soul
dense plover
and whose to say they wouldnt find another
dense plover
no
solar vapor
he couldn't wield it anymore.
dense plover
it happened during the war of the ancients
solar vapor
that's why he got the orcs to use it
dense plover
10k years ago
solar vapor
now called the demon soul
dense plover
no no
hollow dock
It was first calleddemonsoul
dense plover
before that
hollow dock
in WOtA
dense plover
during the well of eternity
hollow dock
Yes
dense plover
that part still happens
hollow dock
It was first the Demon Soul
zealous basalt
It means
hollow dock
then it was the Dragon Soul
solar vapor
are FUCKED
hollow dock
after deathwing was corrupted
solar vapor
without the orcs
dense plover
and like, i guess illidan stays imprisoned?
hollow dock
Illidan is never freed
hollow dock
because the events never get pushed
solar vapor
no need without the legion
dense plover
hmmmm
dense plover
i have to imagine that the old gods eventually break out
zealous basalt
What about Rhonin destroying the Demon Soul?
solar vapor
It's not totally true
hollow dock
Again I wanted to go over all of this weeks ago and y'all mockedme! >=(
solar vapor
because there are some big power players alive on AU azeroth
like any small old god issue medivh could fuck up
dense plover
their prisons were weakened by the well of eternity
alternate medivh might not exist
solar vapor
I don't see why not
dense plover
hell, alternagte azeroth could have a completely different story
dense plover
just like how alternate draenor didnt have a garrosh
hollow dock
but
solar vapor
he'd probably feel pretty shocked at sargerus just, dissapearing.
dense plover
relatively
solar vapor
no medivh was powerful because he was the child of a guardian and a archmage
hollow dock
and this is a big IF
solar vapor
he'd still be retarded powerful
dense plover
he wouldve also not stayed in karazhan
solar vapor
after agewyn gives him most of her power
solar vapor
"where the fuck are my orcs"
hollow dock
^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Aegwyn would be bitchy
solar vapor
"Damnit I wanted to bang that one"
dense plover
i feel like it could be a completely different story though. i mean, alternate draenor has yrel, we nnever had a yrel, alternate draenor didnt have a baby garrosh, it has a different son
solar vapor
oh we have a yrel
dense plover
its possible alternate azeroth has other versions of people
solar vapor
there's an explanation on that one
dense plover
no, we dont, we got maraad
solar vapor
oh
solar vapor
so the experiment/cross-breeding into dying to be part of that fuck off road?
hollow dock
yea
dense plover
because things are slightly different in alternate draenor
hollow dock
WhichIMO was a bad move.
solar vapor
. That is not impossible
as retarded as it is
considering thrall is a girl on au draenor
hollow dock
They should have made it full circle
solar vapor
for some reason
dense plover
which means things might be slightly different on alternat azeroth
solar vapor
very slightly
dense plover
thrall isnt born on alternate draenor
hollow dock
and had Yrel watch her Maraad die
solar vapor
Inb4 medivh is a chick.
hollow dock
wait
solar vapor
I thought it was stated he had a girl
craggy berry
I made a sheet with updated AP needed for each heart level with AK modifiers. What is really interesting is that the AK modifier will make it so that once you reach a certain level, you can gain 1 level a week and you will need the same amount of AP each week going forward to get your next AK level.
dense plover
oh
solar vapor
named some feminine version- yeah Geyrah
tulip sun
It is
tulip sun
Geyarah is their daughter
dense plover
but its a totally different person
solar vapor
female thrall everyone
dense plover
not really
solar vapor
fuck this timeline bullshit
solar vapor
AU azeroth is more interesting than au draenor ever was
why didn't we go to au azeroth
hollow dock
its the same standin
hollow dock
It's why I put it in quotes Kham
it's supposed to be like
Rey replacing Luke
in the new star wars movies
solar vapor
honestly if wow is trying to manipulate people into either hating or loving sylvanas they are doing a great job
tulip sun
I am excited to interact with Geyarah more.
solar vapor
the alliance questline immediately made me hate her.
tulip sun
That was kinda random o.O
solar vapor
just a comment
hollow dock
I've always hated her
but that'swhy I love her
it's like Geoffry without being annoying.
solar vapor
I thought she was an evil prick but that's par for the course with characters in wow
the questline in dark shore REALLY messes with your emotions
solar vapor
it's less she's more evil now
hollow dock
before she was in the shadows
solar vapor
it's how it's presented
solar vapor
before she bombed some people and raised the dead
tulip sun
It is in no way more evil than any other time, haha.
hollow dock
just now she's in the limelight
solar vapor
I dunno, she's never killed fellow forsaken before..
hollow dock
yea. That's what sylvanas does in Silver Pine IIRC
solar vapor
even her sex toy makes a comment about that being extreme even for her
hollow dock
nathanos
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Nathanos
solar vapor
Nathanos is like "whoa wtf" in the book
I like how I don't even have to say his name and everyone knows who i'm talking about
tulip sun
Grimm, we went over that earlier.
solar vapor
and he's only kept around for that reason
zealous basalt
But you know
solar vapor
but yeah in the book he is actually surprised at her orders to shoot fleeing forsaken
zealous basalt
That means that humans are best mates for elves
solar vapor
"why must every windrunner have a man?"
zealous basalt
Because humans master race
sudden oak
I think its more like the windrunner sisters have a thing for humans
solar vapor
kinky family
zealous basalt
Which Windrunner is prettier
solar vapor
you'd think half-elves would be more represented with so many half-breeds
oh that's easy
Alleria.
she has the newest model
tulip sun
Also the fact that Sylvanas is undead.
zealous basalt
And which one is cuter.
zealous basalt
Why not young vereesa
tulip sun
You can see through SYlvanas' ears e.e
solar vapor
Alleria because nobody cares about vereesa
hollow dock
because
tulip sun
I tis not pretty.
hollow dock
Vereesa is puke
zealous basalt
You are a bunch of bullies
hollow dock
not my fault that Vereesa is puke
solar vapor
Vereesa needs to do something actually important
zealous basalt
imma call mods on u all
solar vapor
and get a new model
zealous basalt
Well
solar vapor
she's the least favorite windrunner sister
hollow dock
but Grimm
solar vapor
and the most likely to either be forgotten about/murdered.
solar vapor
not. Really
solar vapor
High elves are alliance and always have been.
hollow dock
that was Ion's reasoning Grimm
solar vapor
those that left all became blood elves
zealous basalt
"IS THIS ENOUGH? THERE ARE NO HIGH ELVES"
tulip sun
It was kinda the other way around Grimm
tulip sun
No, because they are identical except for eyes
solar vapor
and alliance players would bitch if high elves became one of their allied races
zealous basalt
motherland
tulip sun
and the blood elves eventually will regain their blue eyes
hollow dock
they wont kham
solar vapor
they have golden eyes now
hollow dock
they require an arcane font for that
solar vapor
I don't think they're getting blue eyes back
hollow dock
Sunwell is a Light font
solar vapor
they rely on holy light instead of arcane
before it was fel that's why it was green
like
hollow dock
well no
the sunwell wasn't active
they relied on fel crystals
hence why everyones eyes were green
solar vapor
aren't high elves literally just blood elves except blue eyes and less red?
hollow dock
Nope.
solar vapor
I thought that was the difference
hollow dock
the 30 years that have passed opened up a lot of possibilities to make them different
blizzard refuses to take em
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tulip sun
What changes that drastically over 30 years? v.v
solar vapor
no they did it's called void elves
-blizzard
tulip sun
They live with humans
tulip sun
What will that do
solar vapor
better question
solar vapor
did high elves ever get mana addicted?
hollow dock
meditation was alsoa valid way.
Yes
they did
that's why losing the Sunwell was a hugething for the race
dense plover
they still are arent they?
hollow dock
not entirely peach
tropic trail
Some of them are
hollow dock
they've all but severed their dependancy on the Well
dense plover
yeah, but dont they still need mana?
solar vapor
I mean didn't SOME high elves not join the high elves with the well?
hollow dock
Nope.
solar vapor
no the light fufills the need
hollow dock
That's blood elves Grimm
hollow dock
the High Elveshaveused the past 30 years to ween themselves off