Yeah
#beta-ptr-spoilers
ruby star
gaunt helm
@dense plover How do u do Warfront?
craggy berry
Anywhere in game that shows what AK level we are at?
compact crescent
am i able to copy my retail folder for a quicker beta install?
dense plover
be 120, have gotten far enough in the war campaign, head to your faction boat, near you faction boat (on the docks, not on the boat) will be a round table similar to the garrison table - if the warfront is active for your faction, you can click the table and join the queue, if you have unlocked the warfront - do orange quests until you unlock them
uncut vault
tropic trail
"Captured and release"
terse patrol
released from LIFE
terse patrol
@uncut vault port answer to this charge
tropic trail
Always trust the Night elves.
tropic trail
"Ishnu-BLEGH"
uncut vault
zealous basalt
RUN FORREST RUN
sudden oak
malfurion was so close to die
uncut vault
When commanded by Sylvanas alongside her rogues, you have the freedom to kill civilians, or let her rogues do it
sudden oak
tropic trail
PORT FORREST PORT
uncut vault
When we are sent to aid Saurfang in the north, he does not want us to kill civilians
tropic trail
Saurfang is the horde daddy
hollow dock
Sothe horde do kill civilians. Just saurfang doesn't
which may or may not end up gettinghtem killed anyways
don't worry guys, Sylvanas is goinginto this with the full intention of just capturing.
;3
tropic trail
I want to punch her
sudden shoal
😱😱😰
sudden shoal
😰😰😭😢 nooo not jaina
jade basalt
Go freaking charge your phone
sudden shoal
Haha yeah will do 😂😂
tropic trail
Because Jaina is a d r e a d l o r d
hollow dock
beyond fucking triggered
sullen dagger
dayum
uncut vault
I mean khadgar let the blight into Dalaran, so I can’t say he’s doing much better as leader
tropic trail
But Khadgar still didn't have his city nuked, now did he?
hollow dock
Jaina never had her city nuked either. Who theheck would order that?
tropic trail
Oh, I don't know.
ruby star
Who is Jaina
dense plover
there is a difference between capturing a location and capturing a location
ruby star
🤔
dense plover
you can capture a location and also remove what remains of the population
those two are not mutually exclusive vris
hollow dock
Capturing a location
suresounds like
Capturing alocation
[7:47 PM] mrpeach774: there is a difference between capturing a location and capturing a location
thisis exactly the samething
tropic trail
Just remember
They're not the same thing
He could be referring a different location
ruby star
WoW doesn't exist
dense plover
typo
tulip sun
She said nothing about capturing ashenvale xD
dense plover
capturing a location and wiping out its population
tulip sun
I think it was only teldrassil
dense plover
you can do both
they are not mutually exclusive
also that
she said she wants to capture teldrassil
tulip sun
I think it was said theyd break their wills by killing malfurion
hollow dock
because clearly, Before the Stormshows we can trust Sylvanas at face value
dense plover
she gains nothing by lying tthough
hollow dock
Cuz ya know. Nothingin Before the Storm shows she is willing to lie to anyone and anything not Nathanos
dense plover
fuck im not going to argue this
tropic trail
I'm depressed
hollow dock
She gains our support.
tulip sun
What didnshe lie aboutM
hollow dock
Literally everything she says to anyone not nathanos is put into question
Because no one canprotest her
for being
garrosh
which is what she said
in before the storm
tulip sun
I want specific examples
tulip sun
How so? Did she just not tell anyone about it or say it was something else?
hollow dock
She said it was just a mineralandnothing more. Then magni tells them when he meets and she freaks out over it
she controls the information Kham
she is a totalitarian ruler.
Why is this so hard to accept? This is the same denial that camefrom the start of Alpha when people said the horde CLEARLY was doing this because they were provoked
forest tartan
she tells galywix to be carful and stop poking around and just make weapons when he shows her his super stick
hollow dock
even though we see the intentions are solelyon Sylvanas' end
steel venture
Sylvanas is a bad person. Like the thing is that all of this is 100% IC for her.
forest tartan
goblins were first on the scene
steel venture
It's only more prominent now due to the fact that she's in the spotlight when her shady bullshit usually was in the shadows.
forest tartan
goblins digging ties into the undermine city/raid
tulip sun
So your only reference to her not telling the truth is about Azerite? Which was arguably a very good choice, you don't go spreading details about a very powerful mineral.
steel venture
Her not telling people about Azerite.
Her betraying her own sisters in the comic.
Her confidant always and will continue to be ONLY Nathanos.
The long list of crimes under her belt long before she became Warchief.
Like.
She's a bad person.
tulip sun
That is not what we are arguing
hollow dock
Yes it is Kham
she is not trustworthy
she lies through her teeth. Constantly.
She has donethis since day 1
hollow dock
The fact that she set up the entire meeting to be a betrayal should fucking show what character she actually has
tropic trail
She almost did.
tulip sun
Almost is the key word. But she decided not to...you guys obviously don't see how big that actually is.
hollow dock
How about her treating anduin like a warmonger and attacking Teldrassil to begin with?
How about again, ANYTHING IN BEFORE THE STORM
tropic trail
Kham.
tropic trail
How would you feel if I held a gun to your face?
hollow dock
She is in complete control of information for the horde. She gets to create whatever story she wants, whatever reasons she wants, to get what she actually wants.
steel venture
She already thought Vereesa was "dead to her" for not going along with a suicide pact / murder-plot in War Crimes.
Her chosing to not hurt either sister is more of a "She won't do it ... YET" thing versus "a change of heart."
hollow dock
Before the Storm just further enforces that she trusts no one inthe horde andis willing to lie just to keep her on their good side, unlike Garrosh.
Which she again notes inBefore the Storm
that yes
she's doing what Garrosh did
but won't makehis mistakes
tulip sun
Ok, vris. You apparently are now focusing on more than just her trustworthiness.
I am going to address Nile and Lilo for now.
steel venture
??????????????????????????????????????????
I'm ... even supporting the points that Vris is making.
hollow dock
Kham can't argue with me so she says Im trolling or being a jerk then ignoresme
steel venture
She is a compulsive liar, she thinks two-stepps ahead of everyone, and she knows how to manipulate people.
tulip sun
Your bringing up teldrassil and her saying something about anduin being a warmongerer.
steel venture
She is an interesting character because of that, but it doesn't make her any less of a horrid person.
tulip sun
What does that have to do with what we were discussing about her trustworthiness?
hollow dock
Yes. Her LIES. She is LYING about how Anduin would act.
She KNOWS how anduin would act. She KNOWS how the alliance would act. She gives us the guise that "Oh no they'll attack us first. trust me."
and then sly wink to the camera
tulip sun
Anduin doesn't want to attack, we all know that.
hollow dock
Sylvanas knows that as well
tropic trail
....
hollow dock
but she guises up invading teldrassil
tropic trail
Kham, that's the point
steel venture
omg
tulip sun
But look at Stormheim, his opinions do not matter when others do not listen to him.
steel venture
SHE IS LYING ABOUT ANDUIN BEING A WARMONGER
THAT IS WHAT SHE IS DOING
SHE IS MANIPULATING THE HORDE
tulip sun
Nile, take some deep breaths.
zealous basalt
Ouch
steel venture
Bruh, you're trying to act like Vris is saying Anduin's a warmonger.
When in context, she is using that as a literal example from Before the Storm as a point to Sylvanas being a compulsive liar.
Sylvanas is lying and scheming and making the Alliance seem like the aggressors here.
tropic trail
^
hollow dock
Again. In before the storm, Anduin even summarizes it because its so obvious outside lookingin
steel venture
The Horde side of this is heavily laden with propoganda and conscription.
hollow dock
Garona even notes that yes, She was conscripted into service
and she's doing it to survive
tropic trail
Vris never stated that Anduin is an outright war-seeking boi. It's the fact that Sylvanas can spin the story to seem that way, we do know that he wouldn't react without a reason, but do the other horde leaders? Probably not.
So they have to take Sylvanas' word for it
forest tartan
if anything alleria windrunner, calia menethil and jaina are going to be instigating the huge war crimes
tulip sun
She doesn't need to lie about the Alliance, because if your a Horde soldier or citizen, you know that they attacked your WARCHIEF in stormheim. I am not saying she does not lie. Sure, she is fabricating that Anduin himself would, but there is nothing that proves the other alliance mebmers wouldn't.
forest tartan
gen for some reason has back down for defcon 5
steel venture
That's the whole point Sylvanas is doing the whole "The Horde Must Be Strong" thing that Garrosh did, but she actually knows how to manipulate people. She also knows how to make it seem like she doesn't just care about the Forsaken, unlike Garrosh and how he made it obvious how he only cared about the Orcs.
tulip sun
But I still do believe she intended to capture it
hollow dock
Again
you're still taking her at face value
even though
we've shown you hard evidence
of why you shouldn't do that
You've learned from Rys well.
tulip sun
I am not going to continue on this topic, because you are too blinded to see anything other than that.
hollow dock
yea the horde is on a warpath rampage
me
blinded
you
ignoring everythign we type
OK
hollow dock
The burning in Ashenvale
that's the horde
they're rampaging and slaughtering everyone
except saurfang
he got a conscious still
so he doesn't kill the civvies
everyone else does tho
zealous basalt
Typo?
frozen dust
What if Saurfang is the dreadlord
hollow dock
that'd be the greatest twist ever
and that means that the mystery writer in Blizzard
is none other than
tropic trail
A peaceful Dreadlord.
zealous basalt
tropic trail
So, the alliance questline doesn't offer any kind of explanation for why Teldrassil is burning? That's kinda disappionting
Yeah
That's Ashenvale
frozen dust
"Yeah dude it was just like this when we got here"
tulip sun
Even Tyrande says 'occupation'
zealous basalt
That look like the worgen's tree in Darn
hollow dock
Yea the horde sure look like theyre occupying alright
and yea that is Teldrassil
huh
I thought it was ashenvale
sorry for making that assumption Mak
tropic trail
Oh
zealous basalt
Its good
tulip sun
Holy civilian
tropic trail
All the Elven places look the same to me
tulip sun
o.o
tropic trail
So eh
zealous basalt
They don't seem to say who burned it
hollow dock
Anduin Wrynn says: You have shown courage and heart, champion. On this, one of the Alliance's darkest days.
Anduin Wrynn says: My whole life, I have prayed for peace in this world.
Anduin Wrynn says: But that dream can never be realized so long as Sylvanas Windrunner leads the Horde.
Anduin Wrynn says: She expects this atrocity to crush our spirits. Shatter our unity. But this I vow...
Anduin Wrynn says: The Alliance will endure... and the Banshee Queen's insidious reign will be ended
MHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
strange falcon
🤔
strange falcon
inb4 calia burned the tree
zealous basalt
oof
hollow dock
inb4 anduin burned the tree
strange falcon
inb4 greymane was sylvanas in disguise all along
frozen dust
The tree burned itself
tropic trail
inb4 Archimonde fucks the tree
zealous basalt
Anduin doesn't seem to be in Darn at all
zealous basalt
ah
strange falcon
inb4 malfurion kicks archimonde in the d*ck @tropic trail
tropic trail
inb4 Malfurion blows Archimonde @strange falcon
zealous basalt
...
hollow dock
world of sexcraft is alive and well
strange falcon
malfurion has the magic tuba
zealous basalt
I thought Archimonde hump'd trees
frozen dust
We just get a conga line of new Warchiefs Anduin can't have peace with until they finally pick Baine just so the Alliance will leave them the hell alone
tropic trail
World of Whorecraft*
frozen dust
"FINE"
zealous basalt
That game
hollow dock
oh god people remember that game was made
tropic trail
Which one?
zealous basalt
Whorecraft?
hollow dock
what you just said Lilo
tropic trail
Oh
zealous basalt
tmw it got updated graphics kek
tropic trail
What have you been doing with your free time ;p?
dense plover
we literally dont know how the tree is burnt vris
hollow dock
and I CAN'T BE ANY MORE CLEAR IN MY WORDS
zealous basalt
OOF
hollow dock
"I believe it to be Sylvanas almost full hearted due to her actions in Before the Storm and the lead ups to this event"
dense plover
Vris - Today at 5:14 PM
Yea the horde sure look like theyre occupying alright
and yea that is Teldrassil
huh
I thought it was ashenvale
sorry for making that assumption Mak
strange falcon
inb4 peach burned the tree and it's all his plan
tulip sun
I am practically certain it is not Sylvanas.
hollow dock
I never said you
dense plover
its a great port
dense plover
see, you assume already she burnt it down
hollow dock
Again
dense plover
in those words
hollow dock
I don't
dense plover
right there
zealous basalt
when are you two going to marry already
strange falcon
i'm not gay though
frozen dust
It's the Twilight Cultists because no matter how many times we utterly kick their teeth in they just won't fuck off
uncut vault
mrvris new ship
tropic trail
So hostile today
tropic trail
I have room in the back seat as long as you clean
strange falcon
ASSUMER
dense plover
it doesnt make sense at all
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
THATS BAD
whole cedar
calm down guys
hollow dock
No it doesn't
dense plover
my main point is this
you dont need an occupation force if you plan to burn down the place you want to occupy
hollow dock
I place my belief, and state my reason for it
whole cedar
I will do the horde quest after I go grab some dinner and maybe we'll find out how did the tree start burning
hollow dock
She has an invading force.
tulip sun
That is a waste of lives and soldiers.
hollow dock
Again
tulip sun
Something she is NOT into
hollow dock
SYLVANAS
dense plover
do they have a part 2 for horde?
dense plover
why would she go to the tree? why not just send an azerrite bomb?
hollow dock
She flat out tells Mayla and the hihgmountain that EXACT THING
zealous basalt
I CAN DO THAT SHIT IF YOU TWO---
dense plover
invading is occupying btw
hollow dock
YOU Khamnin HAD AN ISSUE WITH THIS
tropic trail
Guys
dense plover
you dont invade and theen leave
hollow dock
That's literally what the First War was. An invasion of Stormwind and then leaving to go invade more lands
tulip sun
So Vris
tropic trail
Because it's illegal in my state
tulip sun
Does she tell Mayla that they are going to be used as fodder or something?
Did I miss that?
hollow dock
YES
dense plover
they destroyed stormwind, and it wasnt an invasion of stormwind, it was an invasion of aazeroth, and an attack on stormwind
hollow dock
EVERYONE IS EXPENDABLE
tropic trail
It was me.
hollow dock
plot twist
tropic trail
I knew it.
hollow dock
it was tyrande
zealous basalt
The people of the midsummer festival
terse patrol
damn
still lily
@zealous basalt
zealous basalt
That's the most logical answer
terse patrol
Interesting, though.
tropic trail
Or does Ragnaros has some thicc thighs?
tulip sun
So
tulip sun
I rewatched the parts of sylvanas speaking about Highmountain
Still don't see the part where she says they are expendable
tropic trail
She did tell Lor'themar that she could raise his fallen and bring them back to battle.
That kinda implies the army is expendable.
steel venture
Uh. That's super old lore Kham. She's always seen the army as expendable.
Which is why Lor'themar and Sylvanas don't get along on that regard.
He refuses to allow her to resurrect his people into her soldiers upon death.
tropic trail
Hence with what I said
zealous basalt
...So Tyrande and Malfurion fled.
frozen dust
"Good luck with the war guys"
tropic trail
Great, another expansion with Moxy Pad Malfurion
tropic trail
^^^
steel venture
I geninuely hate him.
steel venture
The most powerful druid in the world, and what does he do? Prance around and let Tyrande do the real work.
tropic trail
MUH LOVE
steel venture
Malfurion never should have become a faction leader.
tropic trail
He isn't though
zealous basalt
He isn't
tropic trail
Tyrande still is
steel venture
That was the stupidest thing from Cataclysm---Er no.
They co-rule now.
Supposedly properly.
tropic trail
Still don't get an achieve by jumping inside his ass, do you?
steel venture
Malfurion no longer is technically "neutral."
frozen dust
The second raid in BFA: surprise Xavius is back and he captures Malfurion again
tropic trail
Plot twist
zealous basalt
Which dragon ex-aspect is going to die now?
tropic trail
Malfurion captures Tyrande
tropic trail
Prolly Deathwing
frozen dust
I dunno, I'm just so attached to all of them
zealous basalt
attached to who
frozen dust
The aspects
zealous basalt
Ah
tropic trail
I'm attached to my siamese twin
tropic trail
Is that what that means?
frozen dust
Ayyy
tropic trail
Not the zweihander
zealous basalt
Another artifact level up
tropic trail
Anything but Daddy's Zweihander
zealous basalt
nvm
tropic trail
My retard is showing
Is it me
Or do the archaeology quests have a decent mini-story?
zealous basalt
Yeah
frozen dust
I was glad I got the Spear of Rethu, yeah
tropic trail
I actually don't remember if I got that
frozen dust
A free heirloom already at level 100 was definitely welcome when I was leveling my brewmaster
frozen dust
And now I have it on the HM I'm leveling, so hey
forest tartan
so when saurfang knocked malfurion the fuck out this big ass tree somhow lit itself on fire?
tropic trail
I have this habit where I make a new character but don't feel like actually grinding the lvls out
Maybe?
forest tartan
like what's going on. how are the horde going to benefit from a burning island
ike Jurassic world when the brachiosaurus dies on the dock
cept like a big treant
tropic trail
Well, considering that Darnassus is on Kalimdor, and also seeing as how Silithus is on Kalimdor, think about it
zealous basalt
Well
forest tartan
silithus is still fine
zealous basalt
Probably they have more stuff there
forest tartan
the cult survived and the crazy guy that rants about thunderfurry is still alive
if anything the sword is an improvment
tropic trail
Considering that Silithus has the biggest supply of Azerite, and the Horde are keeping Orgrimmar defended on Kalimdor, it just makes sense to drive the Kal'dorei off the continent to keep the biggest supply mostly to yourself
forest tartan
yea but there no need to burn it
forest tartan
the leaders ran away
tropic trail
So did some of the people
tropic trail
To drive them off the continent, like I said..
forest tartan
its an island
zealous basalt
Total control of the continent
tropic trail
^^^
forest tartan
its been a shitsho since cata
zealous basalt
I do expect horde having a campaign about wipping out the rest of the night elves in Kalimdor
tropic trail
Besides, not like they would have a use for a massive ass tree
zealous basalt
Lumber ofc
tropic trail
Eh
forest tartan
well the blood elves are goign to lose qt
tropic trail
Exodar has no value
forest tartan
they might actualy get the damn tree to work properly
zealous basalt
They wouldn't touch them because they are BC
tropic trail
Can't really get it to 'work'
It's not like you can pour some viagra water on the roots and expect it to grow
zealous basalt
oof
forest tartan
they just don't have tauren fertilizer like horde do
secret troll rain dance
you dont even know
zealous basalt
Oof
sudden oak
maybe with the help of the nightborne they can make another arcan'dor grow in the remains of Teldrassil :^)
tropic trail
You'd be better off turning into a bunch of pencils and toothpicks
sudden oak
and the arcan'dor can use the nature magic in the remains of Teldrassil to feed itself
tropic trail
If you chopped it down, sure
zealous basalt
and have it grow corrupted
solar vapor
I like how even after they blow up the tree, the horde is still fighting night elves on darkshore
like it's not good enough your home and most of your family is burning to ashes, we gotta kick you off the rest of the continent too
zealous basalt
That's conquering for you
sudden oak
I mean the arcan'dor doesnt have any kind of connection to the dream to get corrupted
unlike Teldrassil did
solar vapor
arcan'dor isn't that kind of tree I think
and I mean didn't the arcan'dor threaten to literally explode at one point
zealous basalt
but wouldn't they depend on the arcandor?
sudden oak
yeah but with nature to balance the arcane it got stabilized
forest tartan
its a tree power by arcane magic. like the sunwell is powered by holy
it uses some nature magic to not explode
solar vapor
I don't think it's a great idea to try and rely on it anymore.
sudden oak
guess were are great amounts of nature magic so it never hapens anything to the tree
in the remainings of Teldrassil
as former world tree
solar vapor
what's unfortunate is I don't think they can make another world tree
forest tartan
technically they could harness fell or arcane or void or whatever school of magic
solar vapor
ysera is dead. She was one of the aspects who blessed the formor trees.
tulip sun
The corruption within Teldrassil was held together by two people
AlextraszsaHOWEVERYOUSPELL IT, and Ysera
It was said, if either of them ever died, the single person wouldn't be able to hold it
tulip sun
I assume not.
solar vapor
at this point it's questionable if they maintained it, rather than just their blessing
but regardless
tulip sun
I mean, isn't it lore that they maintained it?
solar vapor
no ysera, no blessing, no way to keep any new tree from getting corrupted.
solar vapor
I'm pretty sure the blessing did
tulip sun
RIP Ysera, the affects still being felt today.
zealous basalt
Somehow happened because Noz didn't do it
solar vapor
and it only slowed the corruption.
zealous basalt
Yeah...
tulip sun
Watch that be the reason for the burning
solar vapor
noz was supposed to bless it, would have prevented the corruption and made night elves immortal
tulip sun
and the alliance obviously assume Sylvanas
solar vapor
I REALLY hope they don't try to turn Sylvanas into a misunderstood hero
and say she blew up the tree because corruption. That would be the LAST thing on her mind.
dense plover
i doubt that
solar vapor
I mean moments before she literally had malfurian stabbed in the back by saurfang
sudden oak
I mean if Sylvanas saw the Tree as a threath
tulip sun
I doubt she did it at all
dense plover
its more likely something went wrong, or someone acted against her from within her ranks
sudden oak
she would burn it
dense plover
but she didnt
dense plover
she saw it as an advantageous military location she wants to capture
forest tartan
she dosnt even poses any ability strong enough to hurt the tree
dense plover
azerite
solar vapor
and even with a cutscene. Eh
dense plover
definitely could hurt the tree
solar vapor
Maybe she tried using the azerite to spread the plague
and didn't realize just how fucking powerful the shit is
ending up blowing it up instead of plaguing it.
tulip sun
I heard theories the tree sucked up Azerite through the roots or whatever
solar vapor
either way her goals were evil and reprehensible, but she didn't really intend to blow the tree up, just turn everyone and everything in it into undead
forest tartan
yea cept shes not like anduid trying to get everyone and thier grandma to touch the things
tulip sun
But ya, Sylvanas did not do it
solar vapor
I dunno why she couldn't have
tulip sun
Her stance in that cutscene also does not seem like someone who wanted it to happen
She could have
But didn't
tulip sun
Just a thing of her standing looking at it from Darkshore
sudden oak
because burning the Tree when you can perfectly use it would be very stupid
tulip sun
Anyone COULD have done it
sudden oak
and if we know sylvanas she isnt stupid
solar vapor
... I mean
battle for lorderon she blows up her own troops
at this point I don't think she gives a shit about collateral damage
she'd be perfectly fine with obliterating every inch of azeroth except the square mile she was in.
sudden oak
she plagues most of the alliance and
tulip sun
a few injured horde too injured to retreat.
rich apex
something something honor means nothing to the dead
tulip sun
People overstate how many Horde died.
rich apex
(after she buys time to evacuate the civilians from the Undercity)
sudden oak
and the horde troops were already dead or dying
rich apex
(and then lures the alliance army into a trap)
tulip sun
A LOT MROE would have died without the blight
People do not realize that
So frustrating
solar vapor
it's not about numbers
it's about the fact she rose the dead, of the horde troops
which was repeatedly stated by the other leaders to be not okay
zealous basalt
She knew they were going to die
tulip sun
Uhh, stated by Lor'themar
zealous basalt
Make them useful
solar vapor
"You will not touch our corpses or I will deal with you myself"
tulip sun
and she did not raise any blood elves.
solar vapor
I mean, are, are you sure?
tulip sun
I am
solar vapor
how?
tulip sun
There are no blood elves on the outer walls
sudden oak
I really want to know where are the blood elves in siege of lordaeron
tulip sun
She is not dumb.
zealous basalt
Probably inside the fortress
sudden oak
as far as I know there arent any belves in the scenario
solar vapor
INB4 there are no blood elves because lorth'amar refuses to help her.
forest tartan
all the dark rangers are blood elves
tulip sun
Lor'themar is there himself, lol
sudden oak
except lor'themar
tulip sun
On the front lines
solar vapor
Is he
tulip sun
Attacking the alliance
solar vapor
where the fuck is his vanguard
tulip sun
Says about killing the traitor void elves
solar vapor
but let's be honest.
forest tartan
basicly all the flying troops with bows are dead elves
tulip sun
In my head they are somwhere else in case the alliance does a double attack
solar vapor
do you think any of the other horde leaders want their people to become undead?
tulip sun
Led by Liadrin and Rommath, etc.
solar vapor
Sylvanas just doesn't care about anyone but herself.
tulip sun
I think they are fine with surviving, yes. SEe how Baine says nothing. Sure, it may not be the best.
sudden oak
it may not be pretty
tulip sun
But she is raising dead corpses to give time for the living to retreat and LIVE
Civilians, soldiers.
The leaders
sudden oak
but it is necessary
tulip sun
^^
solar vapor
I think she was raising dead corpses to save her own ass
solar vapor
haha
sudden oak
a lot of soldiers
solar vapor
hahaha
tulip sun
He would rather go die and let everyone die
sudden oak
would die if she didnt rise those corpses
solar vapor
victory or death.
tulip sun
^^
solar vapor
hmmm
tulip sun
Which she thinks is stupid, haha.
tulip sun
She would rather have everyone alive to fight another day.
tulip sun
Despite what you think Grimm, she does care somewhat. Especially about the Forsaken
solar vapor
you would NEVER see her put her life on the line if she didn't have to.
sudden oak
the new horde is "lets not be suicidal"
sudden oak
stares at the orcs
tulip sun
and even her sisters, as shown in the comic. They made it a thing to show she changed her mind...something came out in her which made her change her assassinations.
solar vapor
she literally says she has no feelings for the horde.
err
the comic she stopped the assassination
tulip sun
ALso....she jumps in the front lines in the BfA cinematic
solar vapor
so she could break their will
sudden oak
????
sudden oak
she says let them enjoy their lives
tulip sun
Ya, she can't seem weak.
sudden oak
because they will die
tulip sun
But that last thing Vereesa said...
sudden oak
as everything does
tulip sun
It changed something
solar vapor
... Do you seeeriously think
tulip sun
She is slowly changing
solar vapor
facedesk
tulip sun
Maybe she will never be an outright hero or anything
tulip sun
She will always be the undead banshee
solar vapor
she is becoming worse
dense plover
i doubt that
solar vapor
I get why people think anduin is the perfect messiah who does no wrong if you can mistake sylvanas for doing good at all
dense plover
i more suspect she will come to realize how far she has fallen, and that she needs to step away from a leadership possession
solar vapor
character flaws don't exist to you people if it doesn't fufill your argument
also highly doubtful
she would never ever give up power
like. Ever.
tulip sun
She HATES being Warchief dude.
dense plover
she doesnt want to be warchief
tulip sun
Hates it
solar vapor
yeah she hates being warchief
sudden oak
people dont think that about anduin golden wrote him like that
sudden oak
he even has a goddamn holy spider sense
tulip sun
I still think she will eventually come to not dislike the other members of the Horde.
solar vapor
that's been in game since fucking pandaria
tulip sun
She even respects the Tauren already.
forest tartan
sylvanas wont be happy until she somehow becomes more powerful than the thing that created her.
solar vapor
golden didn't decide anything
dense plover
she has always respected the tauren
solar vapor
she wrote the characters, blizzard said "yep that's right!"
dense plover
they convinced the warchief to let the undead in to the horde
solar vapor
and released it.
I mean garrosh respected the tauren too
for murdering their leader
tulip sun
Grimm....you said she is becoming worse.
dense plover
no he didnt
solar vapor
yes.. yes he did
sudden oak
having pains from the accident isnt the same as feeling pain whenever he does something morally wrong
solar vapor
literally the last race to get evicted were the tauren because he respected them.
tulip sun
She is only doing what she has always done to her enemies, lol
dense plover
he respected them more
solar vapor
until they turned on him too because he was turning into a monster.
dense plover
but he didnt respect them like he respected pure blood orcs
solar vapor
well
actually
tauren and orcs were the same level of citizenship for a while during MOP
right until they got evicted
same treatment. Garrosh said that himself
forest tartan
garrosh unironically the first void orc
solar vapor
haha
sad because true
and sylvanas IS becoming worse
she went from "MY PEOPLE"
to
tulip sun
No, she really isn't lol
solar vapor
"They aren't my people if they don't HATE the living!"
solar vapor
you remember how many forsaken she literally had killed because they joined their families right
solar vapor
I count more than that many graves
dense plover
and calia
tulip sun
And they were technically traitors.
solar vapor
She arranages a meeting between forsaken and family
tulip sun
^^
dense plover
no
tulip sun
Literally, it is stated that if you serve her loyal for years and then ask to leave, she lets you.
dense plover
they want to leave the horde
tulip sun
But betraying her...
dense plover
you literally didnt read the book
tulip sun
THAT is your death warrant
dense plover
^
solar vapor
She literally inner monolouges that she could ONLY trust the ones who hated their old family
solar vapor
she literally brought them to see their family to try and make them hate eachother more
solar vapor
... and she's.. Becoming better???
dense plover
but to say she killed them because she lost control?
tulip sun
As Anduin said
dense plover
thats false
tulip sun
She played it perfectly.
dense plover
she killed them because they were traitors
dense plover
you mean the 1
solar vapor
several.
forest tartan
if ur floating on a door and the titanic is sinking. you would get mad if jack tried to swim away
solar vapor
died trying to run back to her
dense plover
and thats because she didnt want someone who was fleeing in fear
fear is not how you rule
dense plover
they wont stay on your side forever
solar vapor
seems like people SHOULD be afraid of her
tulip sun
^^
solar vapor
"Fear is an unacceptable emotion if you fear your leader you must die"
dense plover
no
solar vapor
-perfect warchief 10/10
tropic trail
Everyone is so aggressive
forest tartan
listen to the audio book its better
tulip sun
I guess I am just use to this stuff.....you really need to try watching like, the 100 or something.
dense plover
please stop saying whatever you want in order to fit your narrative
tulip sun
May help you understand things.
solar vapor
The hypocrisy is amazing peach
I don't know how to explain this to you any better
she has done nothing but try to be as scummy as possible.
tulip sun
Seriously Grimm, watch the 100. Sylvanas would seem like a competent leader.
solar vapor
since cata
dense plover
she literally said she killed the ones who ran away because if they feared her now, they might not fear her later - she needs control, and she cant trust someone who only stayed with the horde out of fear
dense plover
no
solar vapor
which is it
dense plover
did you even read what i wrote?
solar vapor
Okay my apologies
"They might one day not be totally under my dominance and control I must kill them"
dense plover
you fear your leader and only come back out of fear? how can i trust you?
solar vapor
see that's where your wrong
she shot them not because they came back out of fear
she shot them because THEY MIGHT maybe have come back out of fear
and even if that was only 1% of a possibility
dense plover
thats the same thing - you cant read minds
solar vapor
they had to die
dense plover
no risks
tulip sun
Seriously Grimm, you need to think about it.
dense plover
he wont
tulip sun
They could easily betray her evne
solar vapor
I don't think you understand that because someone thought you could potentially turn traitor
solar vapor
how the fuck is that in any way sane or righteous
dense plover
we never said it was
its just her reasoning
there is logic
but that doesnt make it logical
solar vapor
do you think a fucking random civilian is going to rationally think "I must never leave my warchief's side for it might look like I am not constantly loyal to her and not my family"
dense plover
these werent civilians
solar vapor
correction
dense plover
these were literally government leaders for the undercity
solar vapor
and some civilians
solar vapor
you seem to forget that they hand picked civilians to join them to meet their families
and some of the council
the fuck do you think everyone who was at that meeting was a politician
and even then, what does it matter
forest tartan
there was a few handing out handmade scarves and stuff right
tropic trail
It was a council
solar vapor
you get introduced to your family, and because you did not immediately hate them and turn your back to them
you got murdered
Sylvanas hasn't done a single thing since cata that did not directly benefit her
she goes after more valkyr to live forever
she builds her war strength to fight the alliance
she plots to attack stormwind unprovoked
still lily
She's a horrible character that needs to calm the fuck down
solar vapor
she attacks darkshire and occupies it, even as their home's and families burn to death in a tree you can see from the entire zone
still lily
If any other character did what she did they'd die next xpac
solar vapor
she better die in BFA
tulip sun
I will repeat:
solar vapor
I don't even fucking care if she gets a redemptive moment death
she just needs to go away
tulip sun
WAtch the 100, may make your understanding better.
and she has another life even if she dies, nice try.
She has done nothing so far she has never done before.
solar vapor
what the fuck is "the 100"
tulip sun
A TV Show.
solar vapor
I mean she does have another life if she dies
solar vapor
unless we kill her valkyr first
still lily
When we mean kill her we mean obviously kill her off in lore
Not just get rid of one life
solar vapor
inb4 raid involving killing sylvanas's valkyr before we kill her.
then as she dies old gods erupt
I bet you this is what will happen
mid expansion, sylvanas raid boss
forest tartan
not untill she puts on the helmet turns into the lich queen and kills the old gods
solar vapor
she is trying to summon any power she can to stop the people trying to kill her.
we kill her
old gods unleashed
new raid tier, OR she dies end of expansion and her death releases old gods for the next expansion
still lily
We probably won't even have to kill them if we just somehow convince them in a quest line they'll be damned to an eternity of non-existence if they revive her
o3o
solar vapor
begs the question
still lily
Which is a fate worse than death in Warcraft
solar vapor
they know this already
"We'll take your place"
strange they'd be so. Eager to do that
forest tartan
or she kills the makers and shuts down the naru factory
still lily
Actually never thought about it. Why do the valkyr love her so much to just revive her and sacrifice themselves?
solar vapor
that seems to be all the critera you need to meet to "play your part"
sudden oak
because they are free thanks to her
solar vapor
presumably because she freed them from bolvar.
sudden oak
that was the deal
solar vapor
funny thing
sudden oak
they are free from bolvar and they keep her alive
still lily
Yeah but Sylvanas lies all the time
solar vapor
eternity to the shadow lands seems like a worse deal than bolvar
still lily
Soooo
solar vapor
seems more likely they don't go to the shadow lands when they save her.
tulip sun
You forget what Vol'kin said
still lily
"Yo I freed you"
solar vapor
I remember exactly what he said
sudden oak
the Val'kyr travel to the shadowlands whenever they want
still lily
"serve me fuckers"
sudden oak
I think being there is pretty normal for them
solar vapor
seems more likely when the valkyr die they just go where they normally would on death
which is, somewhere
tulip sun
your one of the ones who think he was tricked, lol
solar vapor
I mean
it's possible
just like it's possible sylvanas did nothing wrong
and another thing
isn't the loa spirit of death like, literally only interested in more dead people
tulip sun
Vol'jin talks to the Loa a lot.
solar vapor
he only spares a life because vol'jin promises to kill more for him
tulip sun
He would not be tricked that easily.
solar vapor
the loa are dubious as shit
solar vapor
Yeah bwonsamdi is. Shady.
and we know Elune might be some sort of titan/naaru
where do the loa come from
I'm thinkin old god shenanigans.
infact it would make perfect sense
zealous basalt
...They were since vanilla tho?
solar vapor
the loa, one form of old god opposing garrosh's other old god?
rich apex
(Really tho, all of the animal loas are probably-definitely Wild Gods)
(what Bwonsamdi is tho, that is the million dollar question)
solar vapor
I mean the old gods hate eachother just as much as everything else
tulip sun
Loa are just powerful beings pretty much
solar vapor
old god spirits old god manifestations old god whatever
tulip sun
and what peach said