beta-ptr-spoilers

[ruby star]

yeah you can;t go int opthe rest of the city @karmic copper

[tulip sun]

AKA

[uncut vault]

He actually quests with all of us and is friends with Talanji

[tulip sun]

Funerals

[ruby star]

the doors are locked

and golems block it

[tulip sun]

The leader thing

achievement

and now they return to the embassies

Aysa is found in Kul Tiras and Ji in Zuldazar.

[karmic copper]

They dont use them for much, since well they dont have a reason to

[tulip sun]

I mean, they do have a reason because they are leaders, but ya. Not all leaders get spotlight a lot.

I think they will get used somewhat.

TO recruit someone

[karmic copper]

ji wasnt even there to the meeting

[tulip sun]

I can see Nisha and Ji fighting some Sethrak and such together, lol.

The feast?

[karmic copper]

Yea

[tulip sun]

He was not in Orgrimmar at the time(Likely still at the Wandering Isle, as this is directly after Legion), he was not at the Parade either.

The Devoted kind of feel like they'd get along with Tushui

[karmic copper]

I'd like to imagine ji flying back to orgrimmar and the meeting just ending

who are the devoted?

[tulip sun]

Friendly Sethrak

[karmic copper]

oh them

ive seen them

the green ones

also

is the quest where u go into the cave in atul aman still broken?

i couldnt turn it in

[ruby star]

forgot to sent these 2 pics

[tulip sun]

Those elementals look so good

[karmic copper]

Now the warlock void demons need the update

just turn them purple

[uncut vault]

They got em

In Legion

[stuck ice]

Yeah

I’m guessing they are updating the old zones

[spiral silo]

ptr down?

[hollow dock]

prolly

[terse patrol]

my guess is, they’re rolling out the next part of the pre patch in ptr

[hollow dock]

here's hoping

[zealous basalt]

Watch them

Don't releasing the last part of the burning

Until it is live risking the bugs

To make everything a surprise

[rich apex]

^

[mint arch]

exactly whats gonna happen

[rich apex]

Assuming there's a cinematic with it

That definitely won't be on PTR

[verbal badger]

what bugs

[uncut vault]

There is

[verbal badger]

it's probably just a cinematic

and you walk to some dude

and it triggers

[rich apex]

And said cinematic will be The Moment

[verbal badger]

and that's it

[mint arch]

and dont forget blizzard have "something we've never done before" for pre-patch as well

which they wont test

either

[uncut vault]

We’re getting a 2.5d animated short for the burning, for Sylvanas’ perspective

[zealous basalt]

INB4 Someone farted near gas

[rich apex]

#gallywixdidteldrassil

[mint arch]

lol, its 99% someone from alliance who'll do it

to ensure things are grey

but the twist will turn out to be old gods

"twist"

[tulip sun]

They said that they themselves would not say who did it didn't they?

It would be left open or whatever

[hollow dock]

Not entirely Kham

they said they would never reveal it there, you'll have to do the actual scenario to see who did it

[mint arch]

then the 2.5d animation will be about how sylvanas regrets or feels bad = humanize her

[hollow dock]

In which, with all the Before the Storm build up, and the Ashenvale stuff, yea.

It's sylvanas

99.5%

[zealous basalt]

2.5d

More like

4.5!

[tulip sun]

I am sorry guys, but I -REALLY- doubt it is Sylvanas

She even specifically says occupation, etc.

Not destruction

[hollow dock]

Kham

She lies

a lot

She is ONLY ever somewhat truthful towards Nathanos

[mint arch]

lol, when its not sylvanas, it wont be because she never planned it or w/e

[hollow dock]

Before the Storm shows that she is more than willing to lie, manipulate and trick her allies to do what she wants.

[mint arch]

itll be because things need to be morally grey

das it

[hollow dock]

The horde occupies Astranaar in Ashenvale and 'keep everyone alive' but guess what.

When the alliance arrives, everyones dead execution style

[zealous basalt]

That's fast man

[mint arch]

doesnt matter vris

[zealous basalt]

Fast

[hollow dock]

they leave everyone alive mind you

[mint arch]

blizzard want morally grey, itll be alliance xD

[zealous basalt]

What if they kill them offscreen

[hollow dock]

that's what Im getting to Mak

the horde is completely unaware of Sylvanas' true intentions

[mint arch]

and the sylvanas animation will be the first step of the sylvanas "redemption" arc

[hollow dock]

the only one who loved redemptions was Metzen

and he's gone

so

[uncut vault]

Horde never occupies Astranaar, dunno where that idea came from, they conquer it

[mint arch]

illidan got one, albeit a shitty poor one

so u can bet sylvanas will get one

[hollow dock]

They move into Astranaar no?

That is what the scene was shown yes?

[uncut vault]

Yeah we the player can kill everyone there

[hollow dock]

guards posted at the entrances?

[uncut vault]

Horde sees it burn from their side too

[tulip sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uatanr8UCKg

[hollow dock]

So does the horde in that moment

execute everyone

inthe way thatthe alliance sees?

when they arrive?

yesthat's AFTER the burning Kham

there isa lead up to seeing it actually burn

that's what we dont see

[tulip sun]

That does not seem like someone that just had a huge victory and wanted this to happen

[hollow dock]

Sylvanas nevercelebrates

She is nota celebrator.

[tulip sun]

Her pose even.

[hollow dock]

Her pose is that of sternness

that's it

that provesnothing

[mint arch]

just to say, thats wip

[hollow dock]

^

[uncut vault]

Yes, horde player kills everyone in town, then is sent by Sylvanas to Zoramgar to rally the base, and returns to Astranaar to see it burned, with any people you personally didn’t kill killed by the other rogues, and Saurfang in the middle of the burning town

[hollow dock]

So thehorde does just execute civvies

that's good.

[tulip sun]

LEts also look at the other fact right there.

Saurfang

Yet he is somehow still loved.

[uncut vault]

Yes, player has the option to do it personally, but if you don’t, Sylvanas’ other rogues do it

[hollow dock]

Well hey ignore what I toss up for evidenceto the contrary. Let's just take sylvanas' words at face value!

[zealous basalt]

...Horde has always

Killed civilians

[hollow dock]

The player andthe soldiers are never shown to do it outside of Garroshs' ilk

to have legitimate horde members doing it, that's good to see.

Horde's truly the bad guys.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uncut vault]

It’s a choice in the same vein as Lordaeron with the blight

Can choose to do it yourself, but in the end they’ll die

[mint arch]

when Ion said morally grey in the Q&A, he meant it

which means, the alliance will be reponsible for tree

[tulip sun]

The alliance also deliberately attack civilians are Lordaeron

[mint arch]

and blizzard will act like its a big surprise

[hollow dock]

in response

to

teldrassil

kham

[mint arch]

and they are writing geniuses xD

[hollow dock]

dont even try that

[tulip sun]

That does not chagne anything?

change*

[hollow dock]

Yes it does?

It's justified

the horde isn't

they just do it to do it

in which its specifically night elf druids that do it.

[terse patrol]

My guess is, Mathias Shaw burns the tree, but who knows

[zealous basalt]

Detheroc

[mint arch]

pick a name outta a hat

[zealous basalt]

Well

[mint arch]

thats probably what blizzard will do, pick an alliance name

[uncut vault]

Us :^)

[zealous basalt]

I don't think the main peebs of Alliance will be there

[hollow dock]

With Before the Storm andthe building up of Ashenvale and Darkshore

[mint arch]

uses azerite and burns the tree

sylvanas takes the blame

[hollow dock]

my bet is still sylvanas burning the tree down

[mint arch]

nah vris, this is morally grey expansion

[zealous basalt]

I have some words

[hollow dock]

Since there's no alliance that will do it

[zealous basalt]

"We can't control it, let's burn it."

[hollow dock]

Genn isn't hateful

[mint arch]

yes there is

[terse patrol]

inb4 they have the newly destabilized artifacts accidentally burn the tree when used against each other in the battle

[hollow dock]

rogers isn't in Darnassus

[terse patrol]

@hollow dock

[mint arch]

any can do it cause its blizzard who dont care about character and past

they'll make anyone do it as needed

[hollow dock]

void

please. just stop

your ignorance to the story changes are showing

[terse patrol]

“its morally grey cuz teldrassil wuz an accident!!”

[zealous basalt]

He is baiting you brizz

vris

Sorry

[mint arch]

lol its not a bait

[zealous basalt]

Are you that of a troll then?

[mint arch]

im legit saying that blizzard will make an alliance character do it

doesnt matter who, they'll make it happen

[zealous basalt]

Want to bet?

[mint arch]

why would i want to bet?

this is not a competition

this is a dicussion

-_-

[zealous basalt]

If you are "legit saying" then you are sure about your own words

[mint arch]

u accused me of being a troll

so i said "im legit saying"

[zealous basalt]

You are acting like one

[mint arch]

...

[zealous basalt]

A good one

[mint arch]

for having a different opinion?

= troll?

wtf u on about?

[terse patrol]

I think an “Alliance” character will do it, aka Shaw, aka seekrit Dreadlord.

Or black dragon

[zealous basalt]

On the same thing you are you on

[mint arch]

alright, no ones allowed to have an opinion different to vris ppl

[terse patrol]

I mean

[mint arch]

its outlawed

by makore

u are a troll for doing so

[terse patrol]

Lothraxion does say that some demons wont give up so easily.

[zealous basalt]

Am I telling Honkerton he is a troll?

[terse patrol]

But they deleted that line

[zealous basalt]

He is having a nice one there, but wasn't the dreadlord defeated?

The one that impersonated Shaw?

[hollow dock]

wait.

Why would Shaw do it

as a dreadlord

we killed that dreadlord

and argus isn't instant rezzing

so

how does that work?..

[terse patrol]

I personally think that dreadlord “took the fall” for his brother.

[zealous basalt]

Vari?

wait

[terse patrol]

No

[uncut vault]

He got sent to the nether, not Antorus

[zealous basalt]

Who were Detheroc's brothers?

[hollow dock]

Antorus is inthe nether

[terse patrol]

I think they planned to be caught.

Dreadlords DO NOT leave their victims alive. There’s no incentive to, unless it’s for a long term con.

[hollow dock]

honk

night elvesslaughter viciously any who enter their forests to destroy it

[zealous basalt]

Until cata

[hollow dock]

you see where that went wrong right?

[terse patrol]

Shaw is the head of SI:7 and is heading up Azerite operations.

We know Teldrassil is being used to ship Azerite to the Eastern Kingdoms.

[hollow dock]

Again I don't see where you're making hte dots

[terse patrol]

Which means, Shaw has access.

[hollow dock]

Also I read that it's not currently being used for that

but it could which is why Sylvanas attacks it

[zealous basalt]

Why would he burn the tree tho? Unless something made him burn it

[mint arch]

lol, does it really matter who does the deed? all that matters is which faction does it

[tropic trail]

I'm pretty sure it is stated that Azerite was being cycled through there

[terse patrol]

@zealous basalt to trigger a larger conflict.

It’s what Dreadlords do.

[hollow dock]

for what purpose though.

Dreadlords only ever did it

for the legion invasions

[terse patrol]

Destabilize Azeroth.

[hollow dock]

there's no legion invasion

there's no more legion

[mint arch]

revenge for legion defeat

[hollow dock]

so why do it

[tropic trail]

There's still pockets of Legion forces on Azeroth mate

[zealous basalt]

But he is dead...

[hollow dock]

They aren't the true burning Legion lilo..

This scenario is what happened in Halo

[tropic trail]

I know

[terse patrol]

I think they deleted Lothraxion’s line because it hinted too strongly at what was to come.

[tropic trail]

But they're still there

[hollow dock]

In which we dont actually know the current state of those forces

[mint arch]

demons would 100% want to trigger a AvH conflict to weaken azeroth's defense

[hollow dock]

since every quest has us wiping htem out

[mint arch]

all it takes is 1 dreadlord

[hollow dock]

but again

for what purpose

Before, they followed Sargeras' rule

[mint arch]

we know the demons will be back in some future expansion, they aren't done with

[rich apex]

Hey remember

How the dreadlords

Originally served the Void

[terse patrol]

I personally think, with Sargeras imprisoned, the Dreadlords are returning to their old masters.

[rich apex]

[hollow dock]

They're still hyped onfel

that hasn't been solved yet

[terse patrol]

er

There were plenty of void users on Argus if you recall

Working for the Legion

[ruby star]

Dw the Dreadlords are terrible anyway they can't do much against us

[hollow dock]

Alldemons hyped on fel

[terse patrol]

Not the ones in Macaree

[hollow dock]

On antorus, I never saw a single voidwalker. or 'void lord'

just fel afflicted demons

in which, fel is what kept them all destroy destroy bang bang

[terse patrol]

You didnt see all the void using Eredar in that one area?

[hollow dock]

Still hyped on fel

which you keep conveniently ignoring

[tropic trail]

Plus, one of the dogs use shadow magic.

[hollow dock]

Again, still fel afflicted

[still lily]

How can a demon not be hyped on fel

[tropic trail]

Again, doesn't matter, they can still establish a link to the void lords

[still lily]

Explain

Actually how

[hollow dock]

The dreadlords prior to Sargeras

[tropic trail]

Look at Lothraxion

He's not on fel anymore

[hollow dock]

they were servants of the void

[still lily]

@hollow dock they don't exist anymore

[hollow dock]

not on fel

They were demons

not on fel

you wanted an explination

[still lily]

They don't exist anymore

[hollow dock]

you got it

[still lily]

o3o

[tropic trail]

Is there anywhere where it states that Gamma?

[hollow dock]

Demons prior to sargeras, like the doomguards, were still demons.

But not hyped onfel

Sargeras used fel to tame them into the legion. Like a drug.

it's why so many flocked to illidan. It cured them of that fel addiction through his well of eternity.

Heck, doomguards were actually used by the Titans prior to Sargeras going insane

[mint arch]

lul, well

[still lily]

Now they're all

[terse patrol]

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=127114/eredar-soulbinder#abilities

[still lily]

Fel hyped dogs

Tbh

[hollow dock]

Honk

still

fel

afflicted

look at her face

you dolt

[still lily]

Vris that's mean

Apologize

[hollow dock]

I told him three times over

he refused to listen

[still lily]

Apologize before I kiss

[hollow dock]

do it

[still lily]

Kisses the Vris

[hollow dock]

aggressively and passionately returns the kiss

[mint arch]

that wont work

u gotta use

[tropic trail]

Feels left out

[mint arch]

vris's kryptonite

W E E B I S M

[tropic trail]

Or bad memes

It's everyday BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[hollow dock]

or just call Rys

[mint arch]

pls dont

[tranquil steeple]

[tropic trail]

I think he left

[mint arch]

cant tag him

seems he did

[tropic trail]

^

[hollow dock]

fairly certain he did. he changed his name to Nathanos btw

[mint arch]

oh he's still here

[hollow dock]

monkaS

[terse patrol]

cant stand that guy

[tropic trail]

The other guy is worse.

Trust me

A lot worse

[zealous basalt]

Demoto?

[hollow dock]

I dont pay attention to any other chat channel but here

[tropic trail]

Oui

[hollow dock]

so who's the other guy?

[zealous basalt]

Demonto

The one that says that blizzard ruins everything

[hollow dock]

I've only ever seen him speak once and I shut him down real quick

[tropic trail]

He makes me want to kill an orphan.

[hollow dock]

here anyways

[zealous basalt]

He was bitching in the normal chat

[hollow dock]

I see

[ruby star]

[terse patrol]

is this guy Preach in disguise

because Preach is unbearable

[mint arch]

preach? or peach?

[zealous basalt]

Preach?

[still lily]

Peach?

[zealous basalt]

Or peach

[tropic trail]

^^

[hollow dock]

Preachgamming

[still lily]

Peach is a good boy

[hollow dock]

he's a dude on youtube

[zealous basalt]

Peach is good boyo

[still lily]

I like peach

[tropic trail]

Peach is a good doggo

[still lily]

He's cute

[tropic trail]

And it got weird

Thanks

[hollow dock]

complains and shit talks a lot of Wow's current design because its not WotLK

[terse patrol]

not peach

[zealous basalt]

Watching Peach, Vris, Honk, Void, and Porter discussing is GoAT

[mint arch]

oh, u mean preach from YT?

[terse patrol]

even tho peach gets on my nerves sometimes

[hollow dock]

he gets on mine sometimes too. but eh

friends do that

[tropic trail]

I dunno, Peach doesn't make me want to punch a baby in the face.

[terse patrol]

Preach is cancer tho

[zealous basalt]

Watching the ones i mentioned against Rys

[tropic trail]

All elitists are cancer

[zealous basalt]

Is funny too

[ruby star]

lmao

[terse patrol]

I hate when people post his vids and are like "this is totally true i have no opinions of my own"

[hollow dock]

I just can't watch people who solely bitch and moan.

[tropic trail]

What triggers me is when people judge something that isn't completely out yet

Let alone complete in the cycle

[zealous basalt]

"Bfa=WoD 2.0"

[tropic trail]

Please don't

[zealous basalt]

Even if WoD had its fun at the start

[tropic trail]

You're giving me PTSD

[zealous basalt]

That's what he said

And then

[hollow dock]

"BFA=Legion 2.0. Azerite is just Legiondaries 2.0"

[zealous basalt]

He called bullshit on the Mods

[mint arch]

BFA is indeed legion 2.0

its an expansion of its systems

*improvements

not a bad thing btw

[hollow dock]

"insert some other bitching complaint to show distaste of BFA's alpha and beta"

[zealous basalt]

It is supposed to be an expansion

Oh

[tropic trail]

But you can't judge the entire expansion if literally no content is out for it yet

[zealous basalt]

I have a bitch complain

of Bfa's beta

I fell through the floor

[terse patrol]

its almost like people dont realize that Preach makes money off of complaining

[zealous basalt]

Fucking unfinished game

[mint arch]

u can only really talk about BFA systems

[hollow dock]

"inserts judgement of the entirety of BFA based on the half of the first patch that's on the beta"

[tropic trail]

You judge parts of the system

[zealous basalt]

So

People

I may ask

[tropic trail]

They can always expand on it

[zealous basalt]

Can Blizzard

Not revamp

But just retexture old things?

[verbal badger]

nah man haven't you heard, BFA is running out of content

[mint arch]

warfronts, islands, azerite, class changes, m+ changes, raid testing, so on

[verbal badger]

1 month before it's released

that's what every youtube clickbait title says

[hollow dock]

still takes forever to do mak

[verbal badger]

so it must be true

[mint arch]

and i agree with the notion that BFA is legion 2.0 = it takes many legion systems and greatly improves them

[hollow dock]

"BFA NO CONTENT?!"

[mint arch]

again, not a bad thing

[zealous basalt]

No but, do retexture break the gaem?

[tropic trail]

Like personally, I liked artifacts

[hollow dock]

"THE CONTENT ISSUE OF BFA"

[tropic trail]

Just not the outrageous numbers

[hollow dock]

yes they can Mak

[terse patrol]

the same people then fap about WoW Vanilla, even though thats literally ancient content.

[mint arch]

ya, imma miss artifacts

[ruby star]

People are actually complaining BFA has no content?

[zealous basalt]

Oh

damn

[hollow dock]

textures are shared across many different things and thus can break other areas that they may not even be touching

[tropic trail]

Vanilla wasn't that great tbh

[zealous basalt]

Vanilla has no content tho

[hollow dock]

vanilla was garbage

[zealous basalt]

1.0

[mint arch]

nah honk, vanilla is great, u can re-farm all its content until u die

its all about

the

[terse patrol]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WOW CLASSIC MAN FUCK BFA CLASSIC GUNNA BE SO GOOD EVEN THOUGH I DONE IT SO MANY TIMES

[mint arch]

C O M M U N I T Y

[hollow dock]

I legit hated playing back then and only played because my friends and I had so much fun epxloiting bugs

[terse patrol]

then IM GUNNA DO IT AGAIN LIKE

[tropic trail]

Yeah, I love grinding for a year to get a mount

[terse patrol]

five times

THEN GET BORED

[hollow dock]

like mages infinitely tanking the elementals in Silithus

[ruby star]

Vanilla does seem pretty boring

[mint arch]

community is everthing, ignore the reality of the world and internet today, C O M M U N I T Y

itll be 2004 all over! we'll only talk in-game!

and chat in-game!

[tropic trail]

Back in my day, paladins could one shot bosses

[zealous basalt]

and erp in game

[hollow dock]

since back then the elementals did magic damage and arcane mages could soak magic damage almost indefinitely

[zealous basalt]

imean wat

Back when

Murlocs at lvl 9

With nohealing classes

wat the heck

[tropic trail]

I believe theyre going with 1.14 or something like that

[zealous basalt]

i saw it

[still lily]

@tropic trail 1.12*

[tropic trail]

Which is when Maraudon dropped if I remember correctly

Eh

[hollow dock]

I saw that gamma

don even hide it

[tropic trail]

Same difference

[terse patrol]

1.12

[hollow dock]

not Maraudon

Naxxramas

[tropic trail]

Same differenec

[zealous basalt]

kek

[tropic trail]

Both are dead to me

[hollow dock]

Marauadon is a level 40 dungeon LOL

[zealous basalt]

And me thinking that Maraudon was in the ground

turns out

[mint arch]

"we'll be able to stand in ironforge and display our farmed gear!"

[zealous basalt]

it is a floating fortress

IRONFORGE?

MORE LIKE

LAGFORGE

AMRITE?

[hollow dock]

OH GOD THAT'S RIGHT

LAGFORGE IS BACK BABYS

[still lily]

Ironforge more like, lfg: the city

[hollow dock]

Back when trade chat wasnt connected between all the cities

[zealous basalt]

Trade chat?

[mint arch]

"wasting literal hours on LFG and walking to dungeons and between zones is fuuuuun!"

[zealous basalt]

More like

CHUCK NORRIS' CHAT

[mint arch]

"we have the time to waste on menial grind!"

[tropic trail]

"LFM for Ragnaros"

[rich apex]

Remember when LFG was zone only

[terse patrol]

i remember when someone told me they couldnt wait to do Karazhan in WoW Classic lmao

[tropic trail]

Wait.

[rich apex]

And if you tank ragequit

[tropic trail]

I have a question

[rich apex]

You had to run back out to find a new one

(Remember when you could wipe 5 times on Vancleef?)

[tropic trail]

Will the Chuck Norris jokes come back?

[hollow dock]

yes

[tropic trail]

Thank god

[mint arch]

"convenience time-saving features = for noobs only, fck that!"

"we only want to grind and waste time"

[terse patrol]

people thinking players wont just use Discord in Classic

[zealous basalt]

Barrens chat

Wait

"Where is Mankrik's wife"

[tropic trail]

Where's Mankrik's wife

Oh

Turns out she's fucking d e a d

[hollow dock]

Who's ready

for

doomlord kazzak

to be in orgrimmar

[rich apex]

using discord in classic is a violation of the genuine vanilla experience

[zealous basalt]

Stormwind?

[ruby star]

Warfront armour /gear is like100% drop from rares in beta at the moment not sure if thats meant to happen, might get changed./fixed

[tulip sun]

I wish we could actually experience the alliance invading the barrens or something in-game.

[ruby star]

in arathi

[zealous basalt]

Azuregos in Orgrimmmar

[hollow dock]

dragons of nightmare all kited into Orgrimmar

Devilsaurs kited there too

back when Devilsaurs were hard to kill

[zealous basalt]

...

Were you there

[forest tartan]

azuregos will teleport u and u will die

u can however kite the green one

[zealous basalt]

When the boat to Hatchet from Booty bay

[hollow dock]

Yes

[zealous basalt]

Ended in Redridge?

[hollow dock]

I was

It also had the chance to show up in Desolace

[tropic trail]

Did the Icestone melt?

[hollow dock]

instead of Redridge

[tropic trail]

Has the icestone melted?

[zealous basalt]

Think that the doors will be opened?

[forest tartan]

when azuregos was new content we had to have two raids. one to heal the tank and one to kill the alliance

[still lily]

Nice

[hollow dock]

oh yea. plebian pvp servers

[zealous basalt]

One to kill the alliance

lol

Back when you couldn't past through Sau---

...

[still lily]

Back when PvP servers existed

And it was bad

[forest tartan]

ya well taking over astranar was alot more fun at 60 and 70 than this shitty bfa quest was

a man cannot walk in the same river twice

or somthing like that

[zealous basalt]

LOL

[still lily]

I know someone who regularly goes on a Tyrade about the fact Winter grasp is no longer full of players

And it's fucking annoying

[zealous basalt]

WHAT THE FUCK?

MY ARTIFACT LEVELED UP

[strange falcon]

yup

[uncut vault]

Already?

[zealous basalt]

By one

but ye

its 127 now

[terse patrol]

yes

artifacts get stronger over time

[zealous basalt]

I thought they meant

A big boost

[terse patrol]

i think theres agood chance that our newly overcharged artifacts are whats going to destroy Teldrassil

[zealous basalt]

...Well

I still think there is something else to do with these

[ionic terrace]

Tyrande and Malfurion are in the SW War Room on beta

[uncut vault]

Oh they added Malf?

[ionic terrace]

Yep

[uncut vault]

Can you get a pic?

[ionic terrace]

I'm a dwarf so i'll have to stand on the table lol

[zealous basalt]

Well

Honestly Honkerton

I am with you on the artefact stuff

[terse patrol]

they should put the Nelves outside that big portal above the Mage District, the one used in Warlords.

[still lily]

Wow look

A racist and a deer walk into a bar

O3O

[zealous basalt]

slaps knee

squidward laugh

[ionic terrace]

My question is why does she still have a cata model

[zealous basalt]

Because

[still lily]

Because racists don't deserve new models

[zealous basalt]

They can't add the new Heroes' model

[uncut vault]

garrosh intensifies

[zealous basalt]

I mean

Garrosh had a WoD model in MoP

[ionic terrace]

Only at the end

[terse patrol]

why dont they give male nightelves big beards like that reeeeeeee

[zealous basalt]

Yeah

[still lily]

Nelves are all like

Matriarchal

That's why

[tropic trail]

Sexy and awesome.

[still lily]

Men aren't allowed to have beards

[tropic trail]

That's what we are.

[zealous basalt]

...

The artifacts are getting more power now

[tulip sun]

I think Tyrande's model is perfectly fine for now

Other leaders require more urgent updates

Who else is at the war table? @ionic terrace

[ionic terrace]

The same other npcs

It's the room in SW keep with the battlemasters

[gaunt helm]

@zealous basalt wdym?

[zealous basalt]

I keep counting how much the digits change per second

[gaunt helm]

boy....

We got a Straight A math Student

[rich apex]

Tyrande's model is -clearly- a disgrace in need of an update

shoves Lorthremar into a closet

[zealous basalt]

X XXX XN9 XXX XXX XXX

N9 are the numbers that are raising faster

I have a small hyphotesis that, since yesterday and up to the prepatch, the artifacts will receive more incoming power at faster rates

So, the last day of Legion...we might be really overpowered if they really get power faster

[gaunt helm]

lol

[still lily]

O

Cool

[gaunt helm]

@zealous basalt has a brain now

[zealous basalt]

That means I have two

Do you want a new one?

It seems that yours is obsolete

[gaunt helm]

your Albert rn

[tulip sun]

I wonder since they are in the war room, if stuff will happen there

[zealous basalt]

"We have to give the Horde what they want, Mankrik's wife"

[gaunt helm]

did that new server come out for BETA?

[mortal lily]

is bfa just about some drunk irish people?

deadass

[tropic trail]

Does beta have character copy?

I know for ptr it was off and on

[mortal lily]

yes

[tropic trail]

Alright

[ruby star]

The new server for beta is offline, it's the level 120 pvp one I think

they are not ready yet for it

[tropic trail]

does anyone have ANY clue what theyre doing to the ptr

its been almost a day

[hollow dock]

updating it most likely

[tropic trail]

for this long though? yikes

[rich apex]

PTR downtime

clearly BFA is doomed

[zealous basalt]

Inb4 it is classic ptr

[tropic trail]

haha

[dense plover]

holy shit

Shandris is a cold bitch

[zealous basalt]

Damn

Well

Not surprising

[dense plover]

its cold af tho

like, theyre exiles. they literally arent associated with the empire

[sharp bluff]

leave no survivors, even those exiled from the horde, sounds like the alliance I was hoping for

[dense plover]

this is pure racism

[sharp bluff]

yep, nice to see it on the alliance side

[dense plover]

theyre zandalari so fuck em

yeah

its pretty much occuring on both sides

which is good

[sharp bluff]

exactly

[zealous basalt]

Can we move away from this Morally Grey bs then?

[sharp bluff]

this is what I was hoping for, I know they can't have the leaders be evil on the alliance, but to see some of the members just killing because of race, that is reassuring

well this is war, either side can play that off as grey in reallity

[rich apex]

Night elves ain't peace and love

[dense plover]

also

i agree with a gnome for once

[sharp bluff]

Oh?

[zealous basalt]

what he said?

[dense plover]

she

[zealous basalt]

xD

[sharp bluff]

👏🏻

[terse patrol]

Yall forget elves and trolls hate each other. Nelves only tolerated dark trolls

[zealous basalt]

Because Dank trolls evolved into them?

[terse patrol]

its not explained

[zealous basalt]

What is

[rich apex]

I mean if the dark trolls never tried to conquer half the world

[zealous basalt]

I still want to see a real cinematic of the Well imploding and the world shattering

[terse patrol]

Ashenvale used to have a bunch of dark trolls. Grom slaughtered them.

So i roll my eyes when people say dark trolls if they return would go Horde

[rich apex]

horde getting dark trolls before forest trolls

[terse patrol]

lmao

but ye, the night elves and zandalari dont have the best history if I recall

so

Not surprising that they hate each other

[zealous basalt]

Wouldnt pandaren dislike them too?

[terse patrol]

yes

but fuck it

[rich apex]

Pandas are a lot more chill

And Talanji is fighting against Zul, who led the last attack on Pandaria, so

[terse patrol]

Zandalari were allies to the race who enslaved them

[rich apex]

(And the PC pandas aren't even from Pandaria anyways)

Like if Zul was leading the Zandas, sure

But Talanji's entire shtick is being a reformist who understands the Zandas have to join the Horde as equals

[tulip sun]

The pandaren in the horde

Were not mainland pandaren. Thus they did noy have very much in that conflict

[ruby star]

Pandaren need to be sacrificed

[rich apex]

If the pandas ruled the factions

There'd be no more war

[ruby star]

if the pandas ruled the factions they wouldn't rule for very long

they'd be killed

[sharp bluff]

If the pandas ruled, well no one would play wow 🤷🏻

It would be a Korean mmo at that point

[ruby star]

we need the vulpera to all die

or get eaten

[rich apex]

Pandaria is a pristine utopia for ten thousand years

Until we came and dicked it up

[tulip sun]

Exactly

Pandaren are pretty great xD

If you want world peace elect them

[hollow dock]

ehhhhhhh.not entirely?

They made the cow people whatthey are, they deal with the mantid swarms ever few years, etc

[tropic trail]

Does the battle for lordaeron still have the dragon soul cinematics?

[hollow dock]

yes

its placeholder until live

[zealous basalt]

So

[tropic trail]

Ah alright

[zealous basalt]

Do we know sometjing about marcus?

[rich apex]

For having to deal with a regular giant insect invasion

With a handful of monks

They seemed to have things under control

[ruby star]

Servants

of the alliance

how do I get the

[hollow dock]

yea. until ya know

[ruby star]

Rescuing Jaina quest

on beta

[hollow dock]

I am no servant

[ruby star]

All must serve the Alliance

[zealous basalt]

I guess no one knows if marcus will make an appearance

[uncut vault]

Gotta do all the Kul Tiras zones

Or that’s the intended requirement

[hollow dock]

Marcus who?

the dude that sleeps with everyone?

[sage oriole]

i read somewhere about Rexxar and Rokhan appearance with all this Kul Tiras stuff, after they mostly 3 manned alongside Chen an entire fleet, they deserve for better

[ruby star]

@tulip sun To answer your question from earilier, Dark irons dwarves are currently not walkign around embassy

[zealous basalt]

Ye

The protagonist

[dense plover]

no evidence

hes only shown up once

it was an easter egg

if it gets added it will be either last minute or in a later patch

[zealous basalt]

THE Easter egg

[ionic terrace]

So Thandred is presumed dead

[zealous basalt]

...

[ruby star]

really loving this set

[zealous basalt]

The book of the undead the elf

Was shocking

[rich apex]

Which brother did they datamine

[ionic terrace]

Thandred

[rich apex]

Jaina has so many brothers of varyingly canonical status

Oh

[ionic terrace]

So idk

[rich apex]

Okay, that does explain a lot, actually

[ionic terrace]

At least I think it was him

[dense plover]

she has two

[uncut vault]

Derek had always existed, Tandred was the dubiously canon one

Is now canon officially

[dense plover]

derek and tandred

[ionic terrace]

Oops I keep saying Thandred

no h lol

[uncut vault]

We find Derek’s body in the horde campaign (somehow), tandred is alive somewhere, just not known by Kul Tiras

[ionic terrace]

Makes sense

[zealous basalt]

3 proudmores

[ionic terrace]

You would think Derek would be in his tomb

[rich apex]

You remember that scene in GoT

With Davos and his son and the wildfire

Because that's what happened but dragons, thus making getting him back to a tomb tricky 😛

[ionic terrace]

I don't watch GoT :p

but yeah

Ah I see

That had to be retconned, you can't animate ash

[rich apex]

Hard to get a body out from under the sea

Unless the Plot says otherwise

(to be fair, Forsaken would have an easier time of searching the sea floor)

[dense plover]

its an empty tomb

thats what you generally do when a body is lost at sea

or not able to be recovered

[sharp bluff]

or after the mob gets it

🤷🏻 Bilgewater

[jade basalt]

@ionic terrace When does Tandred die ?

He was supposed to be there and had voice lines and all

[ionic terrace]

We don't know if he's dead or not, just he has a tomb and memorial plate

[rich apex]

Tandred's presumed dead, apparently

Which makes sense, given we don't seem him anywhere at all in the KT storyline thus far

And yet he was datamined

[jade basalt]

Let me rephrase. Why is Tandred presumed dead ?

[dense plover]

because he was lost in a storm i think

and no one has seen him

[hollow dock]

Tendred proudmore is the dude the horde gets no?

tandred*

[dense plover]

no, thats derek

[jade basalt]

Is that part of questing ? @dense plover

[hollow dock]

Ah ok

[dense plover]

or maybe tandred ran away from home or something

i cant remember

i think horde runs into him at a pirate dock or something

and he just avoids returning

lemme check

[uncut vault]

He could be a tidesage

Cause he’s got pokes, meaning he probably has an NPC somewhere in Kul Tiras

[dense plover]

^

pretty sure thats where i remember him

he is like hiding as someone else

doesnt want to go home

but i might just be imagining things

[jade basalt]

Yes. That's why I asked wtf is that, a plaque saying that he's dead is weird since we know he shows up at some point.

[uncut vault]

Presumed dead, most likely

[jade basalt]

Or at least he was supposed to.

[uncut vault]

Oh he does, they’re voiced

[tulip sun]

So anyone know for sure where he appears?

[hollow dock]

nope

otherwise one of those nerds up there would have said :p

[dense plover]

^

we dont know

but he is voiced

theres a screen effect when you stand in the fire now

https://imgur.com/Yh8NHuu

[tropic trail]

Does it increase DPS?

[zealous basalt]

Yeah, does it?

[tropic trail]

Stabd in fire, DPS higher

[zealous basalt]

I think it was haste buff

[dense plover]

lol

in other news

feral druids have a new running animation

[zealous basalt]

Oh?

[dense plover]

if anyone wants to cap a gif and share it, i would appreciate it

all the videos are shit

[uncut vault]

Was mostly for the Zandalari forms, but it looks very natural

[jade basalt]

It's more "grounded"/heavy and less floaty

[dense plover]

apparently druids also now roar when they transform

oh damn

motherlode screenshots

they redid most of the assets

https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1012121265665134592

Ian Bates (@TheRedShirtGuy)

The Motherlode's visual makeover is implemented in this build and its stunning. I want Kezan to be a whole zone designed like this, not just a dungeon and inaccessible goblin starting area.

Twitter

[zealous basalt]

Are they all enemies

[dense plover]

also

remember those ruins in that weird crescent in zuldazar?

https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1010301945654005760

Ian Bates (@TheRedShirtGuy)

That big (probably Cataclysm caused) crater on the west end of Zuldazar has a ruined troll temple that's now a tortollan village where, among other things, you can witness a wedding:

Twitter

[zealous basalt]

awe

[still lily]

Turtle wedding

So cute

[urban dew]

@hollow dock HEY HEY

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Unmarked_Journal

[hollow dock]

right. I've read that before

what's itmeaning?

[urban dew]

Arakkoa can sever people's connections with the light

That was a vindicator

And even he never reconnected with the light

[craggy berry]

Is there an article on wowhead that shows the AP requiremnents per level for the heart?

[dense plover]

maybe?

its kind of difficult because it decreases by 1/3 each week

[craggy berry]

Yea, that is what I was wanting to do the math on.

Because 1/3 is a lot

and I am curious to know when that will start happening, all I see about it is the mention of the decrease

[dense plover]

its already been happening

like since they started it a few months ago, its been decreasing needed amount each week

[craggy berry]

Oh my.

[dense plover]

i dont think we have the azerite graph anywhere

[craggy berry]

I would like to make a quick utility to show where its at and where its going, ya know?

[dense plover]

https://bfa.wowhead.com/news=283663/azerite-data-for-build-26433-item-levels-knowledge-power-per-tier

[craggy berry]

Javascript or on google sheets.

[dense plover]

found it

not sure how accurate it is anymore

[craggy berry]

Ahhh I read this earlier

I didnt know if it was before or after the nerfs

[dense plover]

they havent nerfed the amount to level overall

[craggy berry]

I know they recently changed the requirements

[dense plover]

but they did buff the ilvl gained per level

they havent been changing the amount to level

its just that the multiplier is active

[craggy berry]

Awesome, thank you for the article man.

[dense plover]

its ghonestly not something to worry about

[craggy berry]

I know you all are busy with more important stuff

[dense plover]

playing on beta, its a very casual grind

[craggy berry]

What level are you currently?

and how long have you been playing?

[dense plover]

16 on my highest toon

which is i think two days of playtime

but i also started early in beta

and gained 10 of those levels prior to the multiplier

[craggy berry]

I am trying to see if I get a heroic azerite piece, which requires level 24 for the third trait, will I be level 24 before I replace it with a mythic raid item

[dense plover]

well

probably

[craggy berry]

With raids being released, 3 weeks in I think?

I do not believe they posted a date

[dense plover]

im not sure

its likely

beta will be 4 weeks then i think

mythic

typos

XD

[hollow dock]

excs dee

[dense plover]

i think you will definitely be in the mid-20s heart level by 4 weeks in for sure if you play consistently each week

[uncut vault]

This has been a fun beta, gonna be sad to see it end

[zealous basalt]

I dont feel good mr blizzard

[tropic trail]

Same

[craggy berry]

lol

[dense plover]

new exe build

if you had a crash or quest bug

try again now

the shoe guy has a shoe shine seat

and if you sit in it

he shines your shoes

[tropic trail]

I feel like that's a reference but I won't say to what

in bfa

the feral druid uses daggers or returns to another weapons?

🤔

Polearms

[uncut vault]

Can use any weapon, but have to use daggers for the forms

No more dual wield

[tropic trail]

I should be able to use any form

whitout daggers

[dense plover]

its not a rreference

its how shoe shining works

you can

you just can transmog any weapon to your artifact weapon

you dont need daggers

but its going to look like the daggers

world bosses are up

world boss world quest offers 650 azerite

this is new too

world quests with inappropriate gear now list the correct spec

i complained a bunch about this

now its explained

i still dont understand why weapons dont have both stats

island expedition table was moved to the side

[untold fractal]

which zone is the best to go to first in Zuldazar?

[dense plover]

siege of boralus meeting stone for horde was moved to Plunder Harbor

Zandalar is the continent

Zuldazar is a zone

[untold fractal]

right

[dense plover]

its my personal favorite

[untold fractal]

cool 👍🏼

[grizzled sleet]

It's nice to see more night elves everywhere in Stormwind, can't wait to see Kultirans and Sethrak walking on Stormwindd too

[dense plover]

we dont know about sethrakk

dont hype yourself for something that might not happen

[uncut vault]

We’ve already got sethrak RPers on moon guard

They’re ready

[grizzled sleet]

It's obvious, I bet it's 80%+ chances at least

Actually it's nice to see night elves and void elves walking the streets of Stormwind, with Kultirans and Sethrak it will bring more diversity, can't wait to see that

[dense plover]

i would say 50/50 honestly

[grizzled sleet]

51%

[jade basalt]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21901729/battle-for-azeroth-preview-war-mode-pvp-talents-and-more

[dense plover]

@sour burrow "There are a few additional caveats when looking at grouping while in War Mode. If you’re taking part in dungeons or raids while you have it turned on, you will still be able to be summoned by players who do not have it on. Once summoned, you won’t be able to see each other until you have zoned into the instance. When using the Premade Group Finder to search for groups for outdoor activities such as questing or world bosses, you will only see groups containing players who also have War Mode on, unless you return to Orgrimmar or Stormwind to change your status."

[sour burrow]

:/ Hm. Maybe they tweaked it recently in that regard.

Still awkward. I'll likely only run it during the initial push to 110 until they clean up public grouping a bit more..? Not sure yet.

[tropic trail]

the zones are better optimized?

not like suramar

[hollow dock]

Youre put into a new phase and can only search for people in that phase. How does that need more cleaning?

[sour burrow]

Depends on how active it is. If groups can still be located conveniently and effectively? Not much. If niche stuff ends up being awkwardly split, a lot.

[zealous basalt]

That's fun

War mode is

[sour burrow]

Like doing secrets stuff as part of an overall community, etc. So, yeah, we'll have to see.

[tropic trail]

How do I enter the war fronts?

is 120?¿

[dense plover]

you go to a table

by your boat

you have to have unlocked it through the war campaign first

[tropic trail]

need 120?

[dense plover]

yes

[tropic trail]

ok

thanks

[ruby star]

You can get warfront armour /weapons 100% drop in arathi in beta

from rares

(sure this will be fixed or changed)

[dense plover]

thats probably temporary

to test the gear itself for bugs and stuff

you get 1 piece per time the warfront is up guaranteed though

theres a quest everytime a warfront comes up that gives 750AP and a cache with gear in it

[ruby star]

Yea

Mr GM got full set and it lools great

Looks*

For alliance

[dense plover]

both factions have great sets