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dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 5:33 AM

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im pretty sure that was fixed4

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all faces exist in the gold eye color

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Oh my bad then

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But yeah having one or two beard options under features for undead would please me very much

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But have it be scraggy and torn

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as you said

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because after reading the nathanos story

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having a beard like that couldnt happen

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 5:35 AM

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not just the nathanos story, before the storm

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:35 AM

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my point is: They don't add in customizations

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that they don't believe fits

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due to the races story/history/society

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Like blood elves were all corrupted and tainted with fel, willingly or not like the orcs, and thus have that shown in the customizations.

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:36 AM

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Listen to God^

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:36 AM

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I'm not god

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:36 AM

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Sorry.

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Meister*

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To be fair golden eyes were requested for a very long time

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also beards for forsaken make sense

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And it makes sense

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:37 AM

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Im not. I'm just a person that is highly observant of blizzards practices and pays heed to the words of the devs

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:37 AM

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not full glorious beards

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but scraggy torn up small beards, yes

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In fact most fantasy genres have undead with beards

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Just because my dead uncle has a beard doesn't mean they need one though

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:38 AM

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"If you want undead with full beards, the deathknights are waiting for you" - Ion Hazzikostas

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:38 AM

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^^

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but I dont want to make an alliance

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:38 AM

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I never said alliance

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:39 AM

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He really said that or you memein?

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i mean I want an undead human with a beard

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which is a forsaken

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:39 AM

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Deathknight

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:39 AM

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but I would have to be alliance

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:39 AM

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You're not an undead human if you're forsaken. You're just Forsaken at that point

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:39 AM

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except that's exactly what you are

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because you died and was raised again

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by the lich king

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Not entirely true

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a decent portion of the Forsaken population are the elves of Quel'thalas

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Orcs have beards.

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Taurens have beards.

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can you play them

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but they're not humans

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And?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:40 AM

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a rotting corpse of an elf is no real different to a rotting corpse of a human.

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:40 AM

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I specifically said I want to play an undead human

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:40 AM

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human deathknights are waiting for you

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it's literally

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the perfect combination for you

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its' undead

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its human

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:41 AM

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except its alliance

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:41 AM

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and it's bearded

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done

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You placed that AFTER us teling it to you

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:41 AM

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and my death knight is on a horde server, with the perfect name

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:41 AM

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So sorry. But if you want an undead that has a beard, the alliance is waiting for you

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:ionsmug"

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:42 AM

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Okay but forsaken beards would literally not harm a soul, probably not a lore nerd either unless it's some pantene ad looking beard

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:42 AM

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvYwLX8apSHhlr--KIM-qGw8cz9mrYEQUCdCr7kcTiucg2GDTndg

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:42 AM

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and it's really easy to make too

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:42 AM

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You're assuming a lot of programming

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 AM

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explain to me how it's not easy

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I would like to know

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 AM

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Tell me

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how much do you know about programming and model work?

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 AM

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no you tell me

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Dont change the question

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 AM

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C++, Python, etc?

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 AM

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JavaScript even

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 AM

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I'm needing to elaborate on how much you know about this before I can give you my answer.

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 AM

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decent bit, why?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 AM

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So I know what will go over your head and what doesn't

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:44 AM

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just tell me, jesus

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:44 AM

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Take a game right. It's built on shoddy half-written and half-functioning code.

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:44 AM

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He's not Jesus.

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:44 AM

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Add new code ontop of that code.

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:44 AM

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He's about to be yo daddy

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:44 AM

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Bugs arise

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you fix those bugs

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but new code is added immediately

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more bugs arise

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new code

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bugs arise

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:45 AM

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It works like a Hydra

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:45 AM

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new code

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bugs arise

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:45 AM

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You chop off a head, more heads arise

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Now its been 14 years

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you can't add an extra slot to your backpacks without breaking half the game

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If you recall, back in pandaria people asked about the base bag getting some extra slots added. Blizzard responded with "If we added even one extra row of slots to it, it would break most of the game."

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So much of WoW's old code is so frankenstien'd with the expansions that making even the most seemingly simple changes breaks so much stuff

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:47 AM

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I'm sure adding in Demon Hunters broke a few things too

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you have a link for that?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:47 AM

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DHs are still broken

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to this day

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Sometimes when fel rushing

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:47 AM

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So are Elemental Shamans

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:47 AM

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the game reads you as cheating

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and DC's you

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:48 AM

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That could explain a lot then

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:48 AM

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The original WoW developers decided that there would be an array to hold your inventory. The first several entries are things that end up on the paper doll, your head and leg slots and such. After that comes your inventory. At some point they wanted to add a bank to the game, so they added that to the end of the array. Players shouldn't be able to access their bank anywhere in the world, as it would break the code. This was handled by adding lots of statements in different places in the code, defining what the array position was where the inventory ended and where the bank begins. This value was hardcoded all over the place, but it isn't just a simple search to find them all. Some math logic may rely on it being constant. If you want to add slots to the backpack, who knows what you are going to break? It becomes very buggy and error prone, and likely that you are going to make a mistake. This mistake would break the game in a way you don't like. As a result, they would have to put amazing engineers that could be working on new features on a task to look through thousands of lines of code to find all of those cases, as well as the QA department testing every edge case in the world to ensure the change doesn't break anything. This is how we ended up with a fixed size backpack.

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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1895006-Engineering-Community-Amphitheater-Discussion?p=37125992&viewfull=1#post37125992

Engineering Community Amphitheater Discussion
WoW, Heroes, Battle.Net, and Overwatch engineers talked and answered questions. This was not included on the Virtual Ticket. If you are interested in the more technical side of game design, it is worth watching!

The Ove...

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:49 AM

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and yet they keep continuing to add extra customization options

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I wonder why

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🤔

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:49 AM

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They havent UNTIL BFA

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Do you realize

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how much time

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Barbershop

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:49 AM

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has passed

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:49 AM

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lmao

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Barbershop ISN'T the base customization

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it's its own separate function within the game

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they've only NOW

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after 12 years

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been able to add that into the character creation

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Now we just gotta wait for the Dance Studio

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You make a good point but your greatly over exaggerating over two new beard options

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Im not

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Not really.

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:50 AM

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I'm really not

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You have to firstly

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Minor things can fuck shit up

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They can

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:50 AM

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make sure adding in the customizations doesn't break anything

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then

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you have to do the extra model work

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:50 AM

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so why should blizzard keep doing them

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:50 AM

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to ensure they fit with the model

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then you have to run it by the art teams

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then the modeling team again to have it meld with the other customization options forsaken have

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then

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you have to run it again with the designers for armor and then it goes back to the modeling department to get made

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:51 AM

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I read that as something else, oops

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:51 AM

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then its sent to the code bois down below

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:51 AM

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alright

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:51 AM

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and THEN

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you might see it in a PTR build

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:51 AM

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I'll contact blizzard so I can learn more about it

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:51 AM

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only for it all to break anyways

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:51 AM

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because Im truly curious now

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:52 AM

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this is all basic coding 101

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If you add shit to old code

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it'll break

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Well I still want to know more about it

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:52 AM

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I linked you the engineer thing Rys

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read what I link

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since you ask

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:52 AM

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No it's fine, they might be happy to help out

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:52 AM

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So you ask for source

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and refuse to read it

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OK

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:52 AM

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No

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I have it open

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...

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But you're ignoring it?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:53 AM

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but you won't read it

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and still

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will contact blizz

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even though

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this is directly from blizz

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:53 AM

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Yes

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I want to know more about it

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because im curious

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:53 AM

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Do you remember what I said about ignorance. I gave you the answer you seek: "Why would it be so hard for them to add in these customizations"

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and you ignore all the proof and evidence

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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No

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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and would do

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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Im just wanting to know from them

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more about it

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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I linked you

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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....

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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direct source

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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Mate

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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FROM

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THEM

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are you that dense?

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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I will read that

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I appreciate it

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and once im done

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Ill contact blizzard

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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You won't though. Because you STILL haven't

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even after asking for it

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 AM

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and learn more about it

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:55 AM

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you've even admitted to not doing so

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:55 AM

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You get so mad lol

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:55 AM

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[1:53 AM] Vris: but you won't read it
[1:53 AM] Vris: and still
[1:53 AM] Vris: will contact blizz
[1:53 AM] Vris: even though
[1:53 AM] Vris: this is directly from blizz
[1:53 AM] Ryswell: Yes
[1:53 AM] Ryswell: I want to know more about it
[1:53 AM] Ryswell: because im curious

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Yes

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I get mad

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really mad

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at ignorance

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:55 AM

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Lmao

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There's a difference between mad, and heavy disappointment.

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Peach is a great guy

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and y'all are literally the easiest to troll

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fml

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:56 AM

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alright. so you admit to only trolling

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this whole time

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 5:57 AM

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I think that's good enough to end the chat there, don't you think?

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:02 AM

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Don't fall to old gods whispers

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:07 AM

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I am a pleasant and happy server to the worlds true masters and the progenitors of my creation

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 6:08 AM

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I'm just a peasant that wishes everyone would use as a punching bag.

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 6:54 AM

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Trolling isn’t allowed rys

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Stop it

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🛑

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Admitting to trolling is like saying “please ban me”

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VO and text of artifact power cutscene is fixed

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 7:07 AM

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Mage tower NPC not available on EU after reset, maybe a bug?

harsh wedge Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 AM

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Maybe will be when it will be at 100% again ?

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For US they still had 4 hours left when the reset happened so it stayed

elder otter Jun 27, 2018, 7:16 AM

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May have to finish it first to get it to spawn permanently.

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 7:16 AM

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Okay

harsh wedge Jun 27, 2018, 7:16 AM

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^ What I said but better wording

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Told you he was a troll.

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 11:14 AM

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Too bad he's not Zandalari

spiral silo Jun 27, 2018, 11:14 AM

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anyone else not able to copy characters on the ptr?

verbal badger Jun 27, 2018, 11:18 AM

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since about the 2'nd day it came out yes

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 11:19 AM

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Its been on and off for me

oak wraith Jun 27, 2018, 11:54 AM

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I managed to copy one char. After that the button never appeared again.

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 11:57 AM

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Update

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The artifact power keeps increasing

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I just reached 4.....something

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Yesterday I had 3

verbal badger Jun 27, 2018, 11:58 AM

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well yeah look at your artifact screen

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you can see it go up

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and they said it'll keep getting stronger

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 12:00 PM

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I'm getting afraid now

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:23 PM

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yea its infinitely raising up

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and next week we'll have an increase to concordance ranks

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if Ythisen's is to be trusted

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I don't trust oxen

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 12:25 PM

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its going to explode in our hands

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with 5m normal damage

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10m crits

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:42 PM

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Patch 7.4

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The last raid boss of Legion

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Your hands exploding

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:42 PM

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LOL

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 12:43 PM

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No

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Put your artifact in the bank

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and watch

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or guild bank

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and watch them explode

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:43 PM

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Oh god

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:43 PM

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better yet

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put the artifact

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in the orphanage

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=3

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:44 PM

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A bunch of goblins flying screaming into the air while the 1812 Overture plays

tranquil steeple Jun 27, 2018, 12:44 PM

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I'd put it in the mail :^)

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Noooo. Katy doesn't deserve that D=

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 12:44 PM

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or void storage

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:44 PM

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the ethereals do though

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Anduin gets one last letter from Baine

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:44 PM

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its an artifact

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lOL

tranquil steeple Jun 27, 2018, 12:44 PM

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and exploding artifact

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Taking Glitterbomb to a whole new level

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LUL

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:45 PM

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"SURPRISE BITCH" -Aluneth, probably

tranquil steeple Jun 27, 2018, 12:46 PM

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Thal'kiel short circuits with all the power and yells "Release the Hounds" as hundreds Felhounds explode into existance

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:47 PM

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even better

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Hundreds of Sargeras' hounds

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are released onto Azeroth

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all on mythic =3

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 12:47 PM

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What would Knaifu say

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:47 PM

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"I lived bitch" - Knaifu as N'zoth is behind her

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:48 PM

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Boy was that a shock for me the first time I encountered one of them in the wild

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 12:48 PM

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a wild knaifu?

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:49 PM

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"Oh boy can't wait to kill this world boss for order hall resources WHAT THE FU--"

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One of the hounds

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 12:49 PM

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ah

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:49 PM

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But a knaifu would be pretty surprising too I guess

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 12:50 PM

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what would be a nice priest in da horde

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i has orc dk

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undead lock

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Also

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:51 PM

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I have a belf shadow priest that was inspired by Medea from Fate/Cash Grab

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 12:51 PM

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this reply killed me

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📎 unknown.png

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 12:52 PM

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Hah

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 12:59 PM

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but.We keep them!

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The voices keep talking to us in transmog =3

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 1:02 PM

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who is sass elemental tho

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:02 PM

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Aluneth

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he sasses you

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at all times

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 1:03 PM

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He is usually silent with my gnome :C

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i guess gnomes aren't worthy

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:03 PM

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When you make a mana table for food, he condescendingly asks that this is what you do with the powers of a guardian

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When you walk around Dalaran, similar sass

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 1:03 PM

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Isn't he the one that says

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"Let them walk"

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When you open a portal?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:03 PM

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yup

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100%

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sass

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 1:03 PM

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Who is more sass-er

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he or skull

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:04 PM

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Id say him

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Skull is just a dick

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 1:04 PM

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how much of a dick?

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I haven't gone with him

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:04 PM

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Average legion stuff

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 1:05 PM

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My favorite part of the skull was how he had actual banter with your demon while leveling

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That was cool

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:07 PM

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all the demons are his homies

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cuz he's a demon summoner

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 1:07 PM

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Wonder how did Aegwynn survived the sass

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:07 PM

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Aegwynn was a no nonsense mom

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unlike us, she put Aluneth in his place

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 1:07 PM

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lol

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I remember Aluneth shitting in his pants when he saw her in the tomb

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:08 PM

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he lets us know that every time too

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its like a rebellious kid seeing their mom on the streets

frozen dust Jun 27, 2018, 1:11 PM

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He thought Mom was about to get the belt out

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:12 PM

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Yuuuup. I laughed me ass off.

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Does Knaifu still tricks you in Tomb of Sargeras?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 1:37 PM

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yup

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Its weird that they didnt record lines for Knaifu for Silithus

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 2:12 PM

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or any of the artifacts

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for being overloaded

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like not even a complaint

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 2:29 PM

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lazy blizzard

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 2:45 PM

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"If my Artifact weapon is at say, 68, can I still upgrade it to lvl 75 for the relic traits in Argus for my alts if I do the questline? I did the quest on my highest lvl artifact alt so it looks like I am stuck at lvl 75 for that alt."

Ughh i'm reading this kind of questions since yesterday, some people don't understand the difference between 75 artifact traits and 75 concordance

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 2:46 PM

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When is EU artefact thing on live

tranquil steeple Jun 27, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Now

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Since reset

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 2:47 PM

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nice thanks

tranquil steeple Jun 27, 2018, 2:48 PM

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Just gotta do the Silithus questline post-Argus kill, and you should get the quest to drain the sword's power

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 2:51 PM

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is there a portal to silithus?

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wait

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dw

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Uldum

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 2:56 PM

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You can take portal to Tanaris from Dalaran

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Caverns of time

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:03 PM

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I heard that doing the mage towers after hyper charging your weapons might be easier?

rich apex Jun 27, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Kiiind of easier

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:05 PM

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I have done none of them xD. I was going to give up until I heard it might help a little.

rich apex Jun 27, 2018, 3:05 PM

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It's a boost but it doesn't replace better gear

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Or skill

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:05 PM

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-has 0 skill-

rich apex Jun 27, 2018, 3:05 PM

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rip

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:05 PM

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I guess I never really tried any other than my healing monk tho

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Who knows

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:06 PM

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you get like +30% - 40% dps as a tank when the versa proc. more dps as dps too

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but not sure if healer challenges are going to be easier

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Hmmm, ok. Probably will be able to do them then

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Idk about healing

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Ahh might have to pick up some time to finally beat that unholy imp mother now

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:10 PM

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At this point kahm

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Kham*

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Unless youre a fresh 110, dps isnt an issuen its just mechanics

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And even then if you can zerg it, you ignore half of them

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:11 PM

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nah

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Sounds good.

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The one i only want is the druid tank tbh

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:11 PM

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actually you can follow mechanics but fail to survive at some point, more dps make it easier

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:11 PM

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At 920 I was able to essentially ignore the dude

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In the tank thing

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Just cuz blood deals rediculous damage

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Will they be removed in prepatch?

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:11 PM

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yes

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Yes

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:12 PM

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That seems like it will be soon

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:12 PM

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3-4 weeks tops

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:12 PM

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And your artifact will grow stronger each week now

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more concordance each week

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until prepatch

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:12 PM

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Well, good thing i have no life

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:12 PM

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(Im fairly certain we said all of this yesterday)

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:12 PM

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He was dead yesterday, someone just ressed him

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:12 PM

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I do not pay attention much here anymore

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Sorry

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:13 PM

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I linked you the wowhead article

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=/

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:13 PM

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I...didnt go to it

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:13 PM

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...

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Alright then

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:13 PM

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Lazy

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:15 PM

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I am

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Ima just go back to being annoying then. Seems me being helpful doesnt do much.

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Hope is not lost, @hollow dock . The spark of life still flickers within these mortals

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Looking forward to see Kultirans and Sethrak walking the streets of stormwind, it should bring some diversity to stormwind

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:22 PM

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i do regret not lvling a druid for the mage tower appearance

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most unique forms

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:22 PM

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You can still do it

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:23 PM

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i dunno

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from lvl 1-110 then gearing for it

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Leveling to 110 will take you 3-5 days, gearing takes 2-3 days

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and you go get them

sudden pollen Jun 27, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Just slam face into argus when you hit 110

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:24 PM

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if you got the 880 leather account-wide gear you can use it to gear too

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:26 PM

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hmmm

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 3:27 PM

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and there is some tips to level quickely 1-110 that can help you too

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Stockades and some BC dungeons farming with a 110, and Karazhan trash etc...

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90-100 is pretty easy with bonus objectives

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100-110 legion invasions

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Ya, the druid forms are the only ones i REALLY want

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The oyhers i can live withoit

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Oyhers*

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They are so unique

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Especially the tank

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:44 PM

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indeed

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the only others that are unique

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are the warrior/paly tank flails

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:47 PM

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I mean. You dont even have to work that hard on gearing yourself

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it's the legendaries that'd be tha hard bit

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since you can rush into argus and get 910 gear pretty fast

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:49 PM

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aye, its kiiinda not possible

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:49 PM

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and with the instant concordance75

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:49 PM

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since u do need legendaries

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Eh not entirely. I managed to do the DH one with only the Argus legendary. (the ring)

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mage tower that is

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:49 PM

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havoc?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:49 PM

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yup

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:50 PM

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havoc was real easy

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i think both havoc and veng

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are easier

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:50 PM

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I can see tanks at least wanting the uh.

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Pyrdaz.

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prydaz*

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:50 PM

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ya, tanks ull need

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i dunno, i just wish blizzard would just announce the fcking date for pre-patch

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so i dont waste my time lvling for no reason

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-_-

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:53 PM

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I mean

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if you level in prepatch

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no mage tower apperance

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so you're not wasting your time leveling your druid

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O.o

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Prepatch is probably on the 10th or some point after next week , as sadly independence day gets in the way

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 3:55 PM

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10th does seem most likely

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:55 PM

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My bet is on the 17th

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Ythisens eluded at least 2 weeks of the concordance rising up

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Yeah it's either 10th or 17th

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 3:56 PM

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And also why would they test the prepatch a week after prepatch launches

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 3:56 PM

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both dates I can see possibly happening

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Port rises up a good point

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They have hardly tested any of the prepatch content

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Plus the 28 days that War of the Thorns lasts on the PTR lines up perfectly with the 28 days from the 17th to August 14th

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 3:57 PM

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is that what theyre calling this?

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not the burning of teldrassil anymore? :p

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 3:58 PM

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The full prepatch is called War of the Thorns, final darkshore week is still burning of Teldrassil afaik

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 3:58 PM

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Look forward to grabbing the mounts

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 4:00 PM

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hm, guess there is time

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 4:04 PM

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📎 d7b9e9ec8d0f867b7dfc2939bffbf1ea.png

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hmmmm 🤔

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 4:05 PM

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what's the matter

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thats a blood elf model

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so obviously a horde character

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are u seriously expecting logic and past here >:

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 4:06 PM

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Nope

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she is loyal to varain and his son

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Valeera_Sanguinar

Wowpedia

Valeera Sanguinar

Valeera Sanguinar, along with Broll Bearmantle, was a companion of Varian Wrynn. She eventually became an enforcer for the New Council of Tirisfal, and accepted the position of an advisor and bodyguard to Varian in Stormwind, with the caveat that she retain her independence.
...

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 4:06 PM

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i know xD

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i was being /s

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 4:06 PM

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oh xD

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 4:06 PM

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xP

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i legit have nooooo idea how the hell blizzard thought she should be on horde side

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literally none

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and i legit think it must be "blood elf model = horde character"

ruby star Jun 27, 2018, 4:07 PM

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yeah

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 4:08 PM

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just be like red shirt guy and tell em

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 4:09 PM

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She our spy ofc

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Shes on the Horde side because shes spying

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 4:15 PM

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btw @terse patrol i 100% approve of the Nichijou picture GWnanamiKonataThumbsUp

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 4:19 PM

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thx

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 4:23 PM

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fuckin weebs

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 4:27 PM

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The npcs mean absolutely nothing guys

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 4:29 PM

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I wish they added Anduin holding Xalatath

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and Sylvanas holding Thas'dorah

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Why would Veressa hand that to her

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 4:35 PM

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I don't see any artifact matching Sylvanas except that

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 4:40 PM

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Right. But why would vereesa hand Sylvanas that weapon

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 4:51 PM

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What if Sylvanas steal it murloc

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 4:53 PM

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She'd risk war with an order hall =x

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 4:53 PM

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🐸

mint arch Jun 27, 2018, 4:53 PM

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sure she would

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more bodies

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 4:58 PM

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Neither of them had anything to do with order halls

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:07 PM

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What do you mean kham?

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Vereesa is who accompanies us to grab Alleria's bow LOL

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 5:23 PM

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I mean, it should be Vereesa or Alleria on the boat sacrificing the bow but that’s just me >_>

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But halduron works I guess

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 5:24 PM

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i believe the people are different for each faction?

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is that true?

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 5:25 PM

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I meant Sylvanas and Anduin

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:26 PM

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its not dafire

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its the same 5

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 5:27 PM

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okay

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:27 PM

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They segregated us for no reasons on this one since we are still apart of Legionfall at this point in the timeline

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Magni even says tensions are rising but our orders are still united as one

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:32 PM

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I imagine what breaks the order halls is, surprise, Sylvanas' attack onto Ashenvale and Teldrassil

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:33 PM

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explodes

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Legionfall was just a 'one objective' only tho

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:33 PM

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It wasn't Mak

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Legionfall is the faction of the united Order Halls against the Legion

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 5:34 PM

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The people in the order halls mostly are still loyal to their factions

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I imagine some may stay

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But ya

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Liadrin for example would leave, i inagine Aponj

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Aponi

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Death knights would go back to the lich king 😉

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:35 PM

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they are.

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but we're apart of Legionfall still. Not segregated by the factions

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Well

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:35 PM

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is the point we're making Khamnin

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:36 PM

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The death knights seem to be...like 50/50 with LK

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Oh we're more like 90/10

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 5:36 PM

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the horsemen for sure are pro-Lich King

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:37 PM

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Well, Darion seems to be hessitating a little when he tells us where to go due the conflicts with the other races

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 5:37 PM

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I think only the player, the Belf guy, and some of the npcs in the hall are not fully for him yet

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like the Janitor

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:38 PM

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the player can't be

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sadly

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but the four horsemen?

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100%

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:38 PM

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I think for Nazgrim

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 5:38 PM

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Ya the fourth one was raised pro lich king, not fishy at all

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:38 PM

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Strangulate > LK

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....Didn't Ice Walk lowered the fall damage?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:41 PM

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nope

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never has and never will.

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If anything, it makes drops even more deadly

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since you hit water like it was a solid surface. happens with all water walking

sudden oak Jun 27, 2018, 5:42 PM

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laughs in levitate

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Damn it

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Stupid me thinking i was playing with monk

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I just...dropped off mount above highmountain

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:43 PM

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laughs in goblin glider

sudden oak Jun 27, 2018, 5:44 PM

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yours needs to be crafted or bought GWqlabsKek

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:45 PM

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laughs in chi flight

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So I have a general question

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What are the requeriments for a class to be considered a "Hero Class"?

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Just high level?

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 5:46 PM

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story reasons

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generally already been a hero for a while

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demon hunters were trained before and during BC, then went to mardum, then were imrpisoned

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so theyre already trained

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death knights are raised heroes who are then taught to use death magic and stuff

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so they already had experience too

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Ah

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:51 PM

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it's essentially a prestige class in D&D terms. Your character progresses upwards away from their old life into this new o ne

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For DHs, the elves abandoned their old lives to fight the legion.

For DKs, heroes sacrificed themselves on the frontlines against the scourge and were risen to serve.

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:53 PM

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DKs seem a little dicky, being an hero and all just to be raised to serve

tranquil steeple Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Well, they're being raised by the enemy they fought in life

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 PM

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^

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To the undead, the living are just a potential resource

tranquil steeple Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 PM

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And then turning on them, as they progress the intro quests

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 PM

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But in your opinions, are the new powers better or worse?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:54 PM

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What new powers? o:

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Waait wait wait

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I just noticed...

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Are lightforged the only ones that can't be monks of the new allied races?

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 5:55 PM

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yes

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Yea.

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Void elves are former blood elves

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:56 PM

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I never noticed it before

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:56 PM

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monks make sense

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Kul Tiran monks because idk

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:56 PM

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highmountain and the Nightborne have had monks with them

tidal shuttle Jun 27, 2018, 5:56 PM

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I'm upset that none of the Horde allied races can be pallies (the ones available on PTR at least)

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:56 PM

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since we train them to fight and all.

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Nightborne aren't much for paladins

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Highmountain never took on the sunwalker stuff

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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@tidal shuttle Zandalari I’m 90% sure will have paladins.

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And Kul Tirans I’m 90% sure will have Shamans

tidal shuttle Jun 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Yeah, but I'd prefer to not be a troll. 😮

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But you're right, that's all but confirmed for them now

lone marten Jun 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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The Troll paladin loa is killed in a dungeon in zandalar so thats why zandalar trolls cant be paladins

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Lore Byatch

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Then you’ll need to wait for a future allied race

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@lone marten ahem

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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And that same loa is apparently

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resurrected

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with the recruitment scenario

lone marten Jun 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Ahemm

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:57 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lone marten Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Oh

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Yeah.

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So.

lone marten Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Me sa dis not know sa

tidal shuttle Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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I'm looking for some 120 gameplay insights as I didn't get beta (yet!), anyone play a bunch of classes and willing to share their experiences?

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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In the future

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everyone will be paladins

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Not much changes honestly

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110 to 120

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No new spells or talents change anything

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Kul Tirans don’t really follow the Light, but they have Shamans (Tidesages)

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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mostly just azerite and we dont have all the azerite

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Hmm

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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So really, how youre playing now is most likely how they'll play at 120

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Is it good that we don't have talents and skills for Azerite traits?

tidal shuttle Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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So Arms/Fury feel very similar?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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(on the PTR that is)

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Fury is much better now

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on the PTR than live

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Arms too

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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What classes do you think Sethrak would have?

tidal shuttle Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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That's interesting that they aren't changing too much.

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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I think its a bit of a mistake

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but eh.

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Sethrak paladin. woke

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 5:59 PM

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this is the best balance WoW has had for its classes in PVE for a long time

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so Im not really going to complain much

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:00 PM

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vulpera paladin khadgarface

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:00 PM

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no reeeee

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:00 PM

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I am sure

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sethrak will have rogues

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to be sneaky sneks

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:00 PM

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san’layn paladin khadgarface

tranquil steeple Jun 27, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Sethrak's gonna get all the "edgy classes", and only those :^)

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:01 PM

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junker gnome paladin tho

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Can't wait to make me a Trolladin

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:01 PM

#

both vulpera and sethrak are very likely to get shamans,vulpera for their datamined text of a story with a water elemental "teaching them how to use the elements" and the sethrak because one of the big roles in their society is skycallers,which are basically shamans using lightning

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:02 PM

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all I care about is waging a holy crusade against hte feeple

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the sneeple will reign supreme

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:02 PM

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I could see Sethrak getting the same classes as Mag’har

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:02 PM

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sethrak priest would look cool indeed

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Holy snakes.

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:02 PM

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...Do nightborne get spared of questing in suramar?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Nope

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No one does

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if you want the logistics as to why

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Holy snakes I think would operate like trolls, loa give-ith loa take-ith

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:03 PM

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ask yourself why a nightborne is helping the horde in cataclysm era quests

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:04 PM

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well,nightborne get 6/12 quest chapters done

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instead of 0/12 like a new character

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Yeah

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That's why I am confused

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:04 PM

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in suramar i mean

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:05 PM

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I don't have problems with suramar

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is just...

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the torture of before

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 6:05 PM

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You joke about sethrak paladins but their guards actually do use holy heals

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:05 PM

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yeah,i've seen that

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:07 PM

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If Blizzard could expand the term Paladin

steel venture Jun 27, 2018, 6:08 PM

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I would gladly take Sethrak and Zandalari prelates. >> <<

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Well considering we will get Zandalari Paladins, i think they are trying to expand it

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(no they haven't said it officially, but it is the only missing class on the horde side, it will happen)

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:09 PM

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if we got with "class balance between factions",with zandalari paladins,we could very well get sethrak paladins

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to get both factions equal

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:10 PM

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no?

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It is the opposite of Kul Tiran Druids

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:10 PM

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the opposite of kultiran druids are zandalari druids

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:10 PM

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One class that you only get one of for the allied races

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:11 PM

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you mean the vanilla situation where shamans were horde only,and paladins ally only

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 6:11 PM

#

Vulpera paladins

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:11 PM

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khadgarface

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:11 PM

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no the new philosophy where each side needs one of each class for the allied races

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🤷🏻 take it as you will though

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:12 PM

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🤔

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:12 PM

#

Alliance needed druids so they gave them one with Kul Tirans

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Horde needs a paladin so... Zandalari

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unless somehow we get AU pally orcs, but we both know that won't happen

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:13 PM

#

we already know maghar classes

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:13 PM

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exactly

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so the only race left that gets the missing class is Zandalari, the only real question is

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do we rez the old Loa? or does someone else supply the Trolladins their power

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Also snake paladins would be cool

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:15 PM

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i bet we will have a custom scenario for that,maybe their recruitment quests involve reviving their loa or something?

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Either way, trolladins and Bear druids will be worth it

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:16 PM

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Sethrak shouldn't be paladin

#

It doesn't make sense

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:17 PM

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now please proceed to explain how sethrak paladins doesnt make sense, just like how "vulpera dont make sense for the game" or many other "doesnt make sense" that have been thrown around

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:17 PM

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well at this point, just kinda having fun with the idea of snakes being playable Mimig

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which as far as we know, they won't be until proven otherwise

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:17 PM

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in the end,blizzard will put whatever classes they want on the race,making sense or not

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like how maghar priests dont make sense as far as i know

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but they did it anyway

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:18 PM

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They do

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Shadow priests

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:18 PM

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by that "1 spec make sense,so the whole class does" that's the reason why lightforged draenei can be shadow priests or undead holy priests

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Uh

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Maghar have been at peace with the draenei for 30 years

#

There are orcs who did learn the ways of the light in that time

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:19 PM

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allied clases death knights

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:20 PM

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That wont happen until a new scenario can be made

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:20 PM

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no DK or DH as allied race on BFA

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but they said that it can be

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:20 PM

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they said they want to do it,not now

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:20 PM

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after BFA

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:20 PM

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In the future after BFA its a good maybe

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Like everything else

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Its not off the table

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Just not now

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 6:21 PM

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I doubt we’ll ever get new DH’s, but they’ll probably revamp the DK starter zone whenever Bolvar becomes relevant

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Lore wink wink nudge nudged at it in the April QnA

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Its watcher you gotta watch

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Not lore :p

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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lore just says "that sounds good"

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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They can make them travel to meet Illidan and became DH murloc

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Dont need illidan to make DHs tho

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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And you use Sargeras as a dummy

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:23 PM

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"You have traveled from Azeroth to the Seat...just to see me?"

#

"...You are not prepared, if that's what you want."

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:23 PM

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I imagine its like the big bad wolf

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In karazhan

strange falcon Jun 27, 2018, 6:23 PM

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illidan is a tourist attraction for fanboy/girls DHs

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Anyone can emulate being a DH, especially considering some of the illidari seem to be independents

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:24 PM

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If we need more DH, they must bring more demons

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 6:24 PM

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But with how the starter zone now, gonna be a long while till we get new races

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Wouldnt even have to emulate it. The rituals are known by each DH. Making new ones isnt the issue. Just the technical side is.

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:24 PM

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"Runa away little girl"

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"run away"

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Dh allied race will start at lvl 20, with a separate starting zone, so it's not an issue

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Everytime we run kara lower. We make him say it once

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DHs start at 70

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Sethrak demon hunter go

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Er

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98*

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 6:25 PM

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98

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Not 20

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Thats another hurdle. Convincing a system to override its override

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The other is just the quest not making sense

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While we cant help it for out door world content we can for phased content

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Allied races DHs may start at lvl 20, with a different starting zone

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Hence why half of suramar is skipped

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They wouldnt mim

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DHs are coded to start at 98

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:26 PM

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🐸

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:26 PM

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You dont earn talents until 99

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Youd level 20-98 with 0 talents

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Thats bad

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Real bad

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:28 PM

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throwback to Lich King

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And the death knights

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You get one talent point for each quest done

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:29 PM

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Thad work. IF the old talent system existed

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Which it doesnt.

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Thats why

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I said

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Throwback

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as referencing to when LK was a thing

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Do you think it's possible for the horde to get a new warchief without killing Sylvanas?

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:32 PM

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Why would you give DHs a reference to the LK?

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And if you meant DKs, thats what DKs are in a sense.

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:34 PM

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I think we’ll get new DK races soon.

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:35 PM

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Soon™

uncut vault Jun 27, 2018, 6:35 PM

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Sylvanas will likely be the last warchief, Horde will either disband or become council-led after her

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I can’t see them doing warchief roulette again

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:36 PM

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yeah

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tbh it should have become a council when Thrall stepped down.

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Oligarchy!

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 6:36 PM

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The idea of a warchief is outdated.

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The first Warchief ever was Blackhand

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So ye

verbal badger Jun 27, 2018, 6:37 PM

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horde disbanding will happen when wow is retired

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and not a moment sooner

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 6:37 PM

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I'm curious to see what's for WoW's 20th anniversary :^)

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:38 PM

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A mount, a pet and toys, 20 toys

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 6:38 PM

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WoW goes free to play too

grizzled sleet Jun 27, 2018, 6:38 PM

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for 20 days

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 6:38 PM

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20 years*

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:51 PM

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I dont see why. WoW is still pulling in decent numbers for subs

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 6:52 PM

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i'd be down for a council

sharp bluff Jun 27, 2018, 6:53 PM

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A ground mount, a murloc pet, a (insert generic toy here)

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 6:54 PM

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A murloc mount

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Because the vancleef and inflatable thunderfury toys were generic

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LAPTOPS, ALL OF YOU

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 6:54 PM

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I hope they continue the story in some form after wow stops(which wont be for a long time).

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:55 PM

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that's what warcraft exists for Kham

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 6:55 PM

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My favorite idea is a mass effect/dragon age type game, which obviously would never happen. But ya, more RTS games would be neat i suppose.

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 6:55 PM

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I wouldn't want blizz to do that.

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I dont think they could successfully do it. They tried in SCII

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it didn't pan so well

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:00 PM

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I never played that. They could always hire others to do it xD

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:00 PM

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to many writers makes things inconsistent and take longer :x inefficient

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Having two to three writers covering the overall plot and politics is good. Then have smaller writers for fluff lore, which is run by the main writers

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I dont like though that WoW has a different writer for horde and alliace.

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Alliance*

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:10 PM

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works well for Bioware.

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but not so much for WoW or blizzard

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:10 PM

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It created weird bias.

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Creates*

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I’m ok with one side winning for an expansion.

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Like, Cataclysm was arguably a big Horde expac.

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:12 PM

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only because they didn't finish the alliance side >_<

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:12 PM

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They always do Alliance stuff second

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Which pisses me off

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:12 PM

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i mean

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:13 PM

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They can just give bioware freedom xD. I love their games.

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:13 PM

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we havent seen the jaina stuff, which i guess fits that point, but i would rather have a cool story surprise

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Hmm

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:13 PM

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although thats not always the case

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Jaina...eh

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:13 PM

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also, horde aesthetic is 100% easier for artists

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there are so many different styles to pull from

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alliance has only a few, and some of them cant be used

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like draenei architecture isnt used for new structures because they dont have the materials

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:14 PM

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it takes more work but there's just as much that can be used. but since they dedicate so much less time to it

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they don't get as much out

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:14 PM

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i mean, not always true

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it really depends

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Blizzard writers already said that they enjoy writing for the horde more

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:14 PM

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^

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:14 PM

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thats probably true

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:14 PM

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that's the clear bias that we're arguing Peach

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:14 PM

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writing about humans in a fantasy world sucks

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Alliance isn't only humans

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they refuse to give anything else in the alliance any form of relevance

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 PM

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no, its just their main political leader and kingdom

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thats the problem

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 PM

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The horde isnt only just humans

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 PM

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the horde has an orc problem

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 PM

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it has an undead problem now tbh

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 PM

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but theyve gotten better at that

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 PM

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which are just humans with rot

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:15 PM

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not so much on the alliance side unfortunately

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:16 PM

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because, like I said, they don't dedicate the time to actually fixing our side

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:16 PM

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though i have to give credit where credit is due, i think the architecture in the new zones develops human designs and culture a lot more than it does the horde

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:16 PM

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The Night Elves have been the Hordes punching bag since Cataclysm

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Which makes no sense

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at all

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:16 PM

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theyve done a much better job in bfa than in previous expansions

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its not perfect, but its much closer

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having separate leveling zones helps

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a lot

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:17 PM

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these are the same night elves that pummled Grom's troops that were slaughtering just about anything else at the time, and yet

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some orcs with a demolisher is suddenly to hard

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to handle

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Clearly not biased at all

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:17 PM

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yeah i feel they definitely dont do a great job with scale at darkshore

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i think they need a cutscene showing horde far outnumbering night elves

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Oh I am just talking Garroshs push into ashenvale

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:17 PM

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oh

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Don't even get me started on the shit show that is Darkshore

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:18 PM

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i think they were just caught off guard

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cataclysm happened and boom - sudden army

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:18 PM

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By having the night elves send *most of their military forces away on boats

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for darkshore that is

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:18 PM

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i mean, its not illogical that anduin would send troops to silithus

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especially the race that is mainly druids

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the issue is that the scale of the two forces isnt well represented

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how many troops each side has isnt clear

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:19 PM

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For cataclysm, they act like the orcs are perfect infiltrators that gave the night elves the absolute slip

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in their own lands

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when not a year prior they slaughtered anyone that took a step into ashenvale

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:19 PM

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i dont feel like thats what happened - it really doesnt feel that way

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:20 PM

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That's what I got from questing there on the alliance. Just suddenly the hordes there and the night elves are absolutely hopeless to stop them on their own

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:20 PM

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it feels like garrosh pushed in IMMEDIATELY following the cataclysm and caught them offguard, gaining a serious foothold

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:20 PM

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which is bullshit

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:20 PM

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how is that bullshit? half the forest is on fire from a giant volcano and suddenly theres an entire army - meanwhile your leader is dealing with a giant tornado

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Its not?

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a section of it is on fire

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and that's not even what hte night elves are dealing with

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they don't focus

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AT ALL

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on that

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the hordes somehow carved out 10-15% of ashenvale

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off 1 push

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In terms of logging alone

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:21 PM

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again not unreasonable assuming the night elves were dealing with the cataclysm and garrosh pushed his entire army in all in one push

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100 night elves cant beat 3000 orcs

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Except heres the thing peach

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THEY WEREN'T

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the cataclysm DOES NOT AFFECT ASHENVALE in the slightest outside of the volcano. and that happened after the horde started laying siege to every inch of Ashenvale

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:22 PM

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wait

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hmmmm

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i mean

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still could be a numbers thing

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:23 PM

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its bias

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that's all it is

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:23 PM

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ehhhhhh

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:23 PM

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the night elves are mostly prepared for war

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constantly

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fighting the horde

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ont he borders

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That's what was canon in Wrath

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that's ignored and removed in cata

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:23 PM

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retcon maybe

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:23 PM

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You guys know that Ion has never played Alliance right

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:23 PM

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dont blame Ion

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thats fucking shitty

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hes one guy

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theres a huge team of writers

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hes the game director

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not the writer

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blame the head writer if anything

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Im not

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Im blaming the writers

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:24 PM

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talking to honk

hollow dock Jun 27, 2018, 7:24 PM

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that aren't golden

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Golden is the alliances only advocate atm

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Blame the alliance writers apparently.

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:25 PM

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also, stories change, writing in wow has never been great, but claiming a horde bias is kind of bullshit. We have lost so many leaders its not even funny

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one of our leaders was a raid boss

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:25 PM

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If they are tepping thr truth about two writing teams

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I dont get how that is bias

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:25 PM

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not to mention how mop had horde as the bad guys

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:25 PM

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The Alliances loses all our leaders to neutrality so

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Not really

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:26 PM

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alliance has lost 1 main leader in all of wow history

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literally 1

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:26 PM

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I said to neutrality not death

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:26 PM

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what does that even mean?

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Magni?

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:26 PM

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magni is fair

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2 leaders

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Is that what you mean?

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Who else are you talking about

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:27 PM

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not like dwarven leader was really active in the first place tbh

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:27 PM

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All other leaders are alliance, they may aid others, but they are ultimately alliance

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I know it won't happen

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But I would love a giant confrontation between the horde and alliance

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Naval warfare-wise

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What was I saying...I was going to write something. Brain disfuntioning

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Anyhow i hope the Alliance gets some vengeance in 8.1 or 8.2

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Because we get steamrolled in 8.0

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:30 PM

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I have to admit you guys don't do much.

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I am pretty certain that someone said (dev) that they would eventually become this morally grey they claim

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:31 PM

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I want to Lightforge some Hordies lol

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“You’re now Alliance, hows that feel?”

karmic copper Jun 27, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Is there any way to instant 120s on beta?

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:33 PM

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horde loses saurfang man

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that is a major blow

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:33 PM

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You deserve it

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:33 PM

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but this means we don't see saurfang in action at all

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unless he's a single army (which i don't doubt would happen). also why do we deserve it lol

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Which is bs

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Saurfang should have just

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Cleaved us all

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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You realize he’ll be the neutral leader right

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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saurfang is a man's man

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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saurfang isnt gone forever

zealous basalt Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Can't believe Blizzard forgot that

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

#

baine

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excuse me?

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baine?

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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hell be back for the horde eventually

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once sylvanas is gone

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Might of Azeroth, calling it

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:34 PM

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baine is the homie

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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saurfang wont go neutral

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literally you dont know his character

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he is willing t fight alongside the alliance

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but he is an honorable and proud orc

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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saurfang will never side with the alliance

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

#

Uh

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

#

he would never permanently abandon the horde

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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he will fight with them sure

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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to think so is pure ignorance

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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but never abandon his own race

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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He will return

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

#

golden literally acknowledges this fact like 4 times

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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But until then

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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hes in prison

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:35 PM

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He’ll lead the Might of Azeroth

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

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no

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

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he's in prison

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

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he stays in prison

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he doesnt go talk to anduin

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they got rid of that

#

he kind of gives up

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

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or maybe they'll add it in again last minute who knows

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lol

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

#

he sees no reason to fight when the horde isnt worth fighting for

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

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beta is beta after all

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

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no

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beta is pretty final at this point

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Saurfang I predict 100% will return to the Horde

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

#

100%

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Even under Sylvanas sometime in BfA

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

ehhhh

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doubt that

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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i suspect he will either see change in sylvanas

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or force her to step down

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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i wouldn't fight under sylvanas lol

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but i refuse to abandon my tauren bro

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

more likely the second one

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

Something Sylvanas will do will prove what Vol'jin said.

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

^

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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and he will return

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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we have to have this moment before sylvanas can stop leading

lone marten Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Saurfang for Warchief!!

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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and she and the forsaken will be more accepted.

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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once that moment happens he can take over

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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i'd be down for saurfang

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

its likely

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:37 PM

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or baine

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fucking baine

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

#

since its really unlikely sylvanas will recieve a major personality shift

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

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He lead the joint army to kill C’thun. The Might of Kalimdor. I think he’ll lead the “Legionfall” of BFA.

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

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She will either continue leading at this point(I doubt it, but possible), or willingly step down.

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

#

the joint army was an allied army

tulip sun Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

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We already know she hates the job

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

#

he was still a proud member of the horde

#

he wasnt neutral

tropic trail Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

#

she does hate the title of warchief

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but she also sees its uses

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

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if during that war the alliance had attacked the horde, he wouldve fought back

terse patrol Jun 27, 2018, 7:38 PM

#

What if members of the Horde and Alliance go “fuck this war” and join up to fight Azshara

dense plover Jun 27, 2018, 7:39 PM

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ally =/= neutral

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i bet they will end up fighting azshara to get resources

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probably azerite