Yeah yeah
#beta-ptr-spoilers
urban dew
uncut vault
They specifically said they don’t want alliance to have the cute pretty look and horde to have the savage scary look
urban dew
I need something to eat before I punch a wall
uncut vault
Which basically means vulpera
tulip sun
Pretty much
Vulpera personality wise kinda fit the horde
And same with devoted
Fitting alliance
tropic trail
It's not that Sethrak dont fit the Alliance, it's just that they seem like a dumb idea
clever ember
Vulpera are adorable, blood thirsty little buggers.
strange falcon
roasted
clever ember
Alliance needs more “monster” races.
terse patrol
Pretty sure Rys just comes in here to Troll
Nobody is this daft
Imagine vulpera are tiny worgen.
There.
strange falcon
but he cant imagine them as tiny worgen,because they are horde
tropic trail
except I cant because my friend is in the hospital and im about to leave
sorry he got in a fight
its more than recolored worgen btw
terse patrol
“i want purple worgen with antlers”
clever ember
Tails, they need tails. They look funny without them!
strange falcon
"i want night elf worgen" he means,when saying "it's more than x"
clever ember
I don’t really see any other npc races beyond sethrak and vulpera becoming allied races in BfA.
hollow dock
Nelf worgen are literally normal worgen that transformed from a nelf
tulip sun
Well, all races are npcs until they are playable technically xD
I am a solid believer of one each major patch
terse patrol
yes
urban dew
Arakkoa/Ogres have a good shot
hollow dock
I thought you were leaving
tropic trail
just cant type much while driving
inner sonnet
New beta build? Mine just started updating
urban dew
How big?
inner sonnet
80mb
urban dew
Hm, small one
elder seal
Hmm
Would that explain why NPC/Items are not working in BFA.Wowhead site currently?
only cached ones open for me
slate sparrow
holy hell how do i make my screen not jump when i am fighting something
uncut vault
Jump?
slate sparrow
it moves lol
hollow dock
Mhmm. Do you have action cam on by any chance?
hollow dock
/console actioncam off
I think that's the right command. Been ages since I used it. Just to be sure. Otherwise, I haven't had my screen shaking with it off
hollow dock
Mhmm. No idea then. Maybe @dense plover can help you there
tropic trail
alrighty i can talk now
I get that sethrak can be a good choice, but it still seems bizarre
sure there is legit reasoning behind it, but if you're someone like me it looks like a stupid choice at first glance
urban dew
Allied races come about by story, not by wants
tropic trail
also there are much better picks for allied races than sethrak
dont know about vulpera though
and even if Blizzard wants to add a more tribal feeling race to the alliance, Sethrak aren't really a good choice IMO
urban dew
Sethrak aren't really tribal
tropic trail
Yeah, sorry. I meant a race that would feel more at home with the Horde.
Whatever that guy said earlier.
urban dew
Do yourself a favor and read this http://bfa.wowhead.com/sethrak-race-in-voldun
tropic trail
what do I have to gain from this?
urban dew
Not appearing stupid
tropic trail
Okay but im saying they dont feel really like the best alliance race
does this article say how much they fit with the alliance
to make me not "sound stupid"
tell me please
urban dew
I ain't gonna baby you. Read it yourself.
tropic trail
Read it
it just doesnt say anything useful
I already said, if you were looking, that there is reasoning
Im just saying from first glance, it doesnt seem like a good choice
"I get that sethrak can be a good choice, but it still seems bizarre"
If you didnt see that
grizzled sleet
It's either Sethrak or nothing
Sethrak or "the invisible allied race"
what do you choose?
tropic trail
Id choose sethrak
grizzled sleet
tropic trail
Sethrak still seem like a better Horde choice
even if the vulpera ally theirselves with the Horde
and even tho the alliance gives their "direct support"
steel venture
Sethrak don't really fit Horde ideals.
tropic trail
yeah...
speaking of me sounding dumb when arguing
these people cant even go without shouting insults
grizzled sleet
Sehtrak and Vulpeera for the horde and alliance get 1 year of free and unlimited faction change
steel venture
The Devoted are more like Tauren if anything, it'd be an equally odd choice as to why Sethrak would bother joining tbh.
zealous basalt
Guides on how to wipe when
urban dew
@steel venture Because Vorrik wants to reunite his people, including former Faithless. Vulpera aren't going to be happy with that.
tropic trail
also a major flaw is that vulpera dont have females
unless they do
afaik they dont
tropic trail
sorry I meant sethrak
zealous basalt
Ah
grizzled sleet
there is female sethrak
zealous basalt
Ye
tropic trail
a female model?
zealous basalt
What the heck are you on x2
tropic trail
is what I meant
tropic trail
lemme see
steel venture
Sethraliss is a likely basis of a female model if implimented.
tropic trail
post a pic ;-)
slate sparrow
ya i cant figure out how to turn off this camera shake
tulip sun
And the ones in game have a mix of male and female voices
tropic trail
Okay it looks like the same thing but with a bikini
slate sparrow
lol it bounces
steel venture
Where's the one totally withart her armor?
tropic trail
its literally the male one with a bikini
such a joke
they are more suited for a npc race
steel venture
@tropic trail She has a slightly slimmer build, and larger hips. But the real kick is the fact that she has the spines on her whilst males don't.
Seriously, who would want snitties?
Nobody.
zealous basalt
@hollow dock
steel venture
Nobody wants snitties.
urban dew
zealous basalt
Check him out
steel venture
If you do you're a scalie and y'need to git.
steel venture
(She also does actually have eyelashes too.)
It's simple, minimal details that make her female.
Which a lot of people are actually liking.
tulip sun
Look before typing v.V
zealous basalt
The eyelash thing
steel venture
Because seriously, that means Blizzard's putting a bit more thought in creature design.
zealous basalt
Is always a thing for females
tulip sun
Snakes dont have much difference between genders
urban dew
Sethraliss wireframe is slimmer than the males
steel venture
Naga BARELY get a pass on that, they were once night elves so it's somewhat excused that they'd have those mammalian traits.
tropic trail
Maybe blizzard just puts work in NPC races because of story, instead of everything = allied race
zealous basalt
Oof
tropic trail
isnt that armor glued to their model
tulip sun
There track record doesnt imply that they do that
tropic trail
or can you take it off
Im not trying to argue about that
Im curious
because that armor looks cool
urban dew
That's also showing geoset for capes and tabards
steel venture
The fact they have full Heart of Azeroth animations makes me all 🤔
Versus JUST holding it.
tulip sun
It is going to be sad seeing vulpera and sethrak fight again D:
steel venture
Multiple mobs in BFA have another "just holding" it that's used to throw grenades and other things.
urban dew
It's a mix of directchannelcast and ArtOffLoop
steel venture
But none of them had the whole thing where you can hold it and head into do that min-scenario.
tropic trail
vrykul confirmed allied race
steel venture
Outside of vulpera.
urban dew
Zandalari females are still missing their artoffloop
Yeah, Sethrak and Vulpera hold the heart perfectly, while it's completely offset with Hozen and Tuskarr
tulip sun
Poor hozen
tropic trail
I mean, the only good reasoning for a sethrak allied race is animation but hey, that's all they need TBH.
Just means Blizz is going in a shit direction
Oh well
tulip sun
Have you just ignored everything said? V.v
urban dew
Believe what you want
steel venture
???? They share Alliance ideals, Alliance work with them more, they're the counterpart to Vulpera ... list goes on?
zealous basalt
Wait
tropic trail
You would think with them being an allied race, alliance would have more quests involved with them
but nope
hell horde have more quests with them
steel venture
Not if they aren't launch content.
tropic trail
not alliance
tulip sun
It is the first patch?
zealous basalt
They are telling you
urban dew
Because it's the Horde leveling zone
steel venture
There's still 8.1 onward to deal with.
urban dew
You can't cut content out of their fucking leveling zone just to make a point
zealous basalt
What the heck are you on
tulip sun
Was the timeline confirmed?
urban dew
Yes, Alliance save Vorrik and grab the first keystone for him
steel venture
You know that Highmountain were like... mostly done and ready to be shipped out since Legion launch, right?
But it's because of limitations prior to the allied race system they weren't added for players.
tulip sun
That is kinda awkward tbh.
urban dew
By the time Horde get there, the first keystone is there
tulip sun
That means everything alloance sode is done by then ans the horde just atart
steel venture
They needed certain things tied to coding cues on the model, they needed the horns to work on more than one texture, etc.
tropic trail
A lot of this seems like pretty shitty reasoning to me but the animations seem like it's confirmed, I can't ignore that
steel venture
Nightborne were 100% remade from scratch.
So I don't see why Sethrak who have some player clothing as an option (it was present during several builds, the cloak / tabard.) wouldn't be on the table.
steel venture
And yeah that's... why player nightborne look nothing like default nightborne
tropic trail
Sethrak would make a great allied race, and even greater addition... but not to the alliance IMO
to the horde
IMO
steel venture
That's usually what it boils down to for these discussions though.
steel venture
Horde players want Sethrak because they're not "cute and lame."
urban dew
Just because you don't want a monstrous looking race on your oh so pretty alliance doesn't mean it's shit reasoning for them to join
zealous basalt
Yep
tropic trail
I dont want either tbh
zealous basalt
He is pro horde
tulip sun
I woupd welcome them into the horde, but their personality dont fit
tropic trail
IMO they're a better NPC race, but the animations prove otherwise
zealous basalt
If they were yo get into AR, what would be the requeriments?
tropic trail
they can still ally theirself to the alliance without being a damn allied race
thats what im saying
like shit
there are other races that are allied to the alliance but not allied races
steel venture
It's the one time we can finally have a beast race outside of worgen that'd be actually playable.
tropic trail
we do
tulip sun
Your giving no valid reasonings towards why not
tropic trail
Draenei
hollow dock
Draenei aren't a beast race LOL
hollow dock
that's sheer ignorance
steel venture
There as much as a "beast race" as Tieflings are from DnD fam.
tropic trail
You mean like walking animal race as beast???? LOL
hollow dock
Draenei aren't walking animals LOL
tropic trail
I know
hollow dock
are you honestly that ignorant?
tropic trail
Oh my god
hollow dock
You're saying Draenei are a beast race
tropic trail
Lmao
zealous basalt
At this point I give up
steel venture
Draenei are extremely humanoid, they're literally no different than making a playable satyr or something. Those aren't beast races.
tulip sun
Draenei are nothing like a beast or monster looking even
tropic trail
I said draenei are a beast race IMO unless you're talking about walking animals
steel venture
DUDE.
tulip sun
Draenei are one of the best looking races
tropic trail
if you consider them beasts
tulip sun
Idk what you were thinking
urban dew
Well, they're more reptilian
tropic trail
we have pandaren
tulip sun
Hmmmk?
tropic trail
and worgen
you consider pandaren a beast race, play that instead of worgen
its not like y'all need sethrak
tulip sun
You have not stated any solidnclaims AGAINST sethrak
tropic trail
Oh shit they're confirmed
well it looks my argument is dumb then, obviously port confirmed them
shit
I cant believe I was wrong
hollow dock
Rys
urban dew
At the very least he's not saying they're non-canon
steel venture
... Does the Alliance even HAVE a tribal race in its roster?
hollow dock
you've been asked multple times
steel venture
No.
It'd be nice to get one finally.
hollow dock
to provide ANY arguments that are solid against Sethrak being playable
tropic trail
Draenei are sort of tribal
steel venture
WEKHraoulwhgaw'ga
uncut vault
Sethrak aren’t even that tribal, they’re sand nelfs
hollow dock
We have night elves. But at this point they aren't all that tribal.
steel venture
THEY ARE THE FARTHEST FROM TRIBAL THE ALLIANCE HAS
THEY'RE ALIEN, SPACE-CRAFT MAKING, HOLY ZEALOTS.
hollow dock
and remember my claims of ignorance? You keep proving those claims correct.
tropic trail
Look, vris. I would give reasoning but this is one of those situations where "lightbound orcs!" make sense
tropic trail
Not really
urban dew
Why would they not use a brand new race in the very same expansion that the allied race system is implemented?
tropic trail
werent allied races introduced in legion
hollow dock
BFA
tropic trail
inbetween legion and BFA
urban dew
If you dare say reskins and sub-races, I'm going to lose it
hollow dock
they were introduced as a BFA system
they were announced with BFA at blizzcon
they are a BFA system
tulip sun
Allied races are a big part of this expansion
hollow dock
It always has been
steel venture
Sethrak also have more of a chance than quilboar, another common one I've seen for possible Alliance races. (One race featured on Kul Tiras, one featured on Zandalar argument.)
The quilboar would be an issue by comparison due to the massive quills on their back.
tropic trail
Im pretty sure there are people who have really good reasons why lightbound orcs are going to be an allied race
steel venture
Sethrak also would probably hush up the people who want playable serpents via the Naga.
tropic trail
Naga are better than sethrak
tulip sun
We dont even k ow of they are truly lightforges
hollow dock
the Lightbound are literally just Orcs that work with Yrel
they are a faction of light worshiping orcs that act like our current day Fel Orcs do
urban dew
Lightbound aren't going to happen
tropic trail
I already gave y'all my reasoning, you're just trying to squeeze every little drop outta me so you can "be right"
hollow dock
You only said 'They dont fit with the alliance'
steel venture
They also literally don't have any different custimzation. @ Lightbound Orcs.
hollow dock
despite us shooting down this argument multiple times
tropic trail
Actually I said more than that
steel venture
They just wear the Argus lightforged gear.
tulip sun
I must have missed something
tropic trail
I wont bother since I was really clear
hollow dock
Clearly not
hollow dock
Again that's just what I said mak
tropic trail
Thats true but not only it
hollow dock
'They dont fit with the alliance
zealous basalt
Which is not only racist
tulip sun
So...where is the valid complaint
zealous basalt
But really stupid
tropic trail
Im not saying they shouldnt be an allied race btw vris, clearly you didnt see that. I just said not an alliance race
and if you want me to I will copy and paste that here
steel venture
They're hardly feral. We have perma-snarl worgen over here that lose their shit every two seconds once they're on a battlefield.
hollow dock
it's no where. this whole argument spured by Rys' arbitrary idea of what the alliance thematic is
even though
ya know
we've proven they do fit with the alliance thematic
tropic trail
Hey I'm open to the idea of a beast race on the alliance, sethrak just arent a good fit
tulip sun
Give us a reason
steel venture
We've given evidence to support our claim there's been no counter on your part.
zealous basalt
Your opinions have done more harm than good as you sont give a proper reason
tropic trail
I mean, sure but y'all should stop trying to damn bulli
clever ember
A dev did say that they don’t want just monster races on one factions, and cutesy races on another. They want variety. So it is more likely that alliance will be getting some type of monster/beast race at one point in BfA and horde will@be getting some@kind of cutesy race.
steel venture
We're not really saying "They gOTTA BE PLAYABLE REEE"
We're saying, "There is evidence that leads to a plausible route that they could become playable. Here's the reasoning: <x, y, z>"
hollow dock
Which we present is SETHRAK
steel venture
And said evidence also heavily lines them up with the Alliance.
zealous basalt
But not snek for some reason
tropic trail
and, no offense, but thats what y'all are saying
hollow dock
Since we help the Good sethrak
elder seal
Dont hit the snek 😦
uncut vault
🐍 🔫
clever ember
But what beast/monster race would fit the story for bfa? I mean I can see it being vulpera/sethrak. But what other ones.
hollow dock
as far as Im aware
zealous basalt
....
hollow dock
there's no other beast races we help
steel venture
They're not going to add furbolg because they'd be too similar to pandaren, tbh. Jinyu and furbolg aren't happening because they'd never design a female for it either.
Gnolls? No female design, Blizzard even forgets that female hyenas = the boss. Not male ones.
Murloc? ... yeah that's funny.
Kobold? We're killing them left-and-right and they're dumber than dirt.
Taunka? Already horde.
Yaungol? Hate us too much.
uncut vault
Normal gun or water gun, the emotes work
zealous basalt
I want to make a mom joke but it's not the time
tropic trail
Go ahead
steel venture
Sethrak basically are the only plausible one that seems very likely for Alliance as it stands for now.
tropic trail
In a conversation this dry, I would enjoy some humor
steel venture
Vulpera are deadlocked with Horde, not much we can do about it.
hollow dock
and the Sethrak more or less operate like the Vulpera do for the horde
but for the alliance instead
Blizzard loves their dualities Rys
urban dew
I got some humor
zealous basalt
Snitties 4 Alliance?
hollow dock
yes snitties 4 alliance
urban dew
"Sethrak don't belong on Alliance."
steel venture
As in literally horde-only quests, faction, and PVP-flagged guards as Horde in their respective areas. @ Vulpera.
hollow dock
#snittiesforalliance
steel venture
There's no way that they aren't going to be Horde.
zealous basalt
Oof
tropic trail
No offense, but the only reasoning for the alliance is that they're against vulpera and that the alliance helped them once
even though the horde helped them aswell
and the horde have more quests with them
uncut vault
:snitties: when
hollow dock
Except the good Sethrak Aren't
tropic trail
Oh and worgen skeletons
horde help good sethrak too
lmao
both horde and alliance are against the bad sethrak
hollow dock
We literally help FREE THEIR PEOPLE FROM THE OPPRESSIVE FAITHLESS.
hollow dock
Why would there be any
steel venture
"Sethrak shouldn't be Alliance because they're loa-worshipers and "savage" and stuff. Horde for LIFE!"
hollow dock
dragons aren't around Voldune
steel venture
Is what this is kinda sounding like.
zealous basalt
Scaled?
tropic trail
except Ive been trying to give more reasoning but that's all you can say
hollow dock
what does that matter?
steel venture
Nah, no reaction between the two.
hollow dock
if theyre both scaled
zealous basalt
Yeah but I meant as if they could have some reaction
hollow dock
there's no reason for there to be a reaction
steel venture
Dragons =/= snakes.
steel venture
So I don't see the point for any dragon going "BUAH HUH??"
zealous basalt
I know that in warcraft they arent
hollow dock
Lizards have more in common with dragons than the snakes
zealous basalt
I was just wondering
urban dew
I got the perfect picture for this
steel venture
No like, there's no reason for any dragon to bother with Sethrak.
urban dew
steel venture
If there were new drakonids that'd be a different story.
zealous basalt
Ah
steel venture
Drakonids are the ones you're thinkin' about that'd be related to dragons.
tropic trail
wait sethrak dont wear boots?
steel venture
Sethrak are the children of Sethraliss and totally unrelated.
tropic trail
I mean it is pretty weird getting three allied races all from one continent, and all somewhat closely related with eachother
zealous basalt
Do Sethrak autoattack with their arms or
urban dew
Don't tread on me!
steel venture
Neither do draenei, worgen, tauren , trolls or pandaren.
tropic trail
lol ok
hollow dock
That's the point of them being added in as theyre relevant to the story Rys
urban dew
Sethrak have unarmed and bite animations
zealous basalt
Ohh
tropic trail
ok but no kul tiran allied races?
zealous basalt
Think a bite would be their racial attack?
tropic trail
except kul tiran humans
steel venture
Unless we suddenly get a new faction of friendly Vrykul nothing on Kul Tiras outside of the Kul Tiran humans would be on the table.
urban dew
Could be, a venomous bite
hollow dock
2 are from Voldun (if Vulpera and Sneks are actually added)
zealous basalt
🔫
hollow dock
and 1 would come from Zandalar
steel venture
Quilboar wouldn't happen.
All drust are hostile, all of them.
hollow dock
which is the zandalari
steel venture
And they're dead ghosts.
hollow dock
and 1 from Kul Tiras
which are the Kul tirans
all pretty balanced out if you ask me
tropic trail
IDK sethrak just seem like a weird idea for a race
urban dew
And I'm suspecting we see a lot more ARs throughout the expansion
zealous basalt
Blizzard likes Slipknot
tropic trail
IMO
hollow dock
if they do, that's fine. It's perfectly OK to not like a race
you do not have to like every single race
steel venture
I'm assuming Vulpera and something, likely Sethrak sometime late into the expansion.
steel venture
So they have plenty of time to make the counterpart playable.
grizzled sleet
What would happen if we get 24h free faction change ?
tropic trail
changes a lot
hollow dock
Like what?
tropic trail
if they are added as an allied race, blizzard is going to involve them more
hollow dock
alright?
steel venture
Unless they surprise us with Horde and Alliance Naga, I doubt Vulpera / Sethrak are off the table.
hollow dock
What's the issue of that?
tulip sun
Evolving is good
zealous basalt
Well
grizzled sleet
involve them more = more story progression instead of fogetting about them after 1 expansion
hollow dock
Why is that a bad thing if a race that's playable is used more?
steel venture
I'd love Sethrak to be expanded upon if they were made playable.
tropic trail
this discussion went from worgen and goblin allied races to people pinning me to a wall trying to get me to say why sethrak arent a good allied race
urban dew
I like the Void Elves so far, both racials and I really want to see how they play out.
tropic trail
or atleast alliance allied race
steel venture
I was dissapointed in how we got such a rich background for the Arakoa in WoD and then just dropped them.
zealous basalt
I get why they didn't add a lot of story for lightforged compared to void elves
tropic trail
Hell, this discussion is getting beyond my control
steel venture
I really don't want Sethrak to become the new Arakkoa.
urban dew
Hey, @steel venture , I'm working towards Arakkoa allied race.
tropic trail
Im just fueling it
hollow dock
You said it changes a lot. You gave the implication that it's a bad thing for an NPC race to become playable
steel venture
Where there's a great background and history there, but then they're dropped and left to rot.
hollow dock
and I've asked why/how. You said "It changes a lot"
gave 1 answer
that's vague mind you
urban dew
35 years they've had to rebuild their society
hollow dock
and didn't actually answer the question
urban dew
Now is the perfect time for them to come in
tropic trail
I mean, they just feel like a better npc race
steel venture
Counterpoint to it being a "bad thing."
Highmountain, Nightborne, Lightforged, Dark Iron and Mag'har all were once NPC-only.
steel venture
What has changed outside of them becoming playable?
tropic trail
I dont care what you say
hollow dock
It's OK to not like a player race
grizzled sleet
@urban dew what if they were killed by the lightbound?
urban dew
Arakkoa aren't so easy a race to kill off
tropic trail
even when I tried being nice you've still been rude
hollow dock
I'm not being rude
tropic trail
Im sorry but im just going to ignore
hollow dock
you wanted this argument
urban dew
Skyreach is far up in the air, plus chances are they got their Apexis technology working again
tropic trail
Okay well im stopping before I get myself in more trouble
hollow dock
YOU have been more rude
tulip sun
Rys, you are trying to argue against them without explaining, just saying your opinion
That doesnt work
urban dew
What's up?
tropic trail
And im sorry to everyone except vris for how I acted, even though y'all were more mean
urban dew
Heh, it's a joke since I support Arakkoa and Sethrak heavily
tropic trail
Arguing gets beyond my control sometimes
hollow dock
That's not even an apology
steel venture
I still find it confusing how you're stating that "playing NPC races would be bad" when that is quite literally the basis of the Allied Race system. TBH.
hollow dock
that's literally condescension
hollow dock
So then why even try to frame it as an apology
steel venture
Every race outside of void elves and kul tirans thus far have all been NPCs.
tropic trail
im not
urban dew
@zealous basalt If you got an active sub on NA, come join us in the Arakkoa thread sometime https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20764506573?page=1
More opinions are always welcome
tropic trail
Im sorry for arguing and shittalking your like for Sethrak, except to vris, even though some of y'all been more rude than I have ever been throughout the whole argument
That explains more
But im sure some of you have reasons for that
hollow dock
that's still condescending
tropic trail
Oh well
hollow dock
You're literally apologizing for your actions and blaming us for it
tropic trail
Not really
hollow dock
yes you are
tropic trail
Didnt blame anyone for shittalking sethrak
that was my fault
Im trying to force my opinion onto others
and im sorry about that
urban dew
@hollow dock Just drop it man, it's best to not bother any longer
steel venture
I like the combination Overload. @urban dew Arakkoa and Ogres would be a good way to give Ogres something older to combo with outside of high elves or wildhammer. (The latter two being a WC2 / WC3 argument for that pairup.)
urban dew
We can discuss about Arakkoa instead!
tropic trail
she's annoyed that I didnt give her an apology
Im legit trying to apologize but her behavior has been uncalled for
urban dew
Arakkoa and Ogres are historical opposites
steel venture
Mhm. Versus mechanical opposites like the proposed Ogre / High elf or Ogre / Wildhammer.
steel venture
Historical parallels between two fallen empires and such would be A+.
urban dew
It wouldn't work out. The Arakkoa have a historic rivalry with the Gorian Empire. Members of the Arakkoa taught ogres to be mages, in exchange for access to Apexis ruins within the ogre territory. After learning what they needed from the Arakkoa and using that knowledge to overthrow their masters, the ogres broke the agreement and drove the arakkoa out. They had no intention of sharing the valuable Apexis crystals within the ruins.
Furious, the Arakkoa thought to take the crystals by force. They failed, and the leader of the expedition died a slow, painful death. The Arakkoa never bothered to go back and try again.
The two races are historically opposed. If the Horde were to bring in an ogre clan or two, the Arakkoa would most likely not choose to hang out with them.
Copied from Sorina's post in the Arakkoa thread
hollow dock
Don't force shit into my mouth. Im calling out your condescending tone in your makeshift apology
steel venture
Not to mention that the AU Mag'har also were known to kill Arakkoa. @urban dew
tropic trail
thats an apology
tulip sun
And you were not the nicest about it
steel venture
And they're becoming Horde as well.
tropic trail
They dont have any reason to hear an apology from me
tulip sun
You cant say sorry then say they were really ruse
tropic trail
for the way they've acted
steel venture
Depending on where the Arakkoa come from, there's a LOT of reasons they would not wanna be Horde.
tulip sun
Rude
urban dew
Yep, the Shattered Hand tried to push into Spires while the Outcasts were fighting against the Adherents
tropic trail
but to birbsnek, im sorry
steel venture
Even the MU ones still would be bitter, since a large chunk of the history wasn't too different. But Terrok was never redeemed unlike the AU.
urban dew
No worries, everyone else has different opinions, ours just don't really see eye to eye
tropic trail
Yeah, I just get carried away with arguing sometimes
I dont mean to force my opinions down your throat
and sethrak do have legit reason to be an allied race, I just didnt acknowledge that
urban dew
It's always easier to get into an argument through a computer since we don't have to deal with the real life ramifications, so no worries, just try not to be too negative to other ideas
I have personal thoughts about other things that I tend to keep to myself so I don't cause issues
We have enough negativity everywhere, so let's try not to bring it into a game that we use to avoid it.
Also, yeah @steel venture , any MU Arakkoa would never trust the Horde.
Not after what they did to them
And still, AU ones probably would never side with the Horde because of the Mag'har
hollow dock
If forced, they'd certainly go alliance.
urban dew
And they could fit well with Alliance because of their belief in a balance between light/shadow
Which we have Lightforged and Void Elves
If I'm allowed to make crazy theories, I'd say that Blizzard was already planning on Arakkoa as an allied race
tropic trail
What are the Arakkoa animations again?
urban dew
Um, I can't remember the exact names, but I know that cursed Arakkoa got updated in WoD
steel venture
They'd need more work than Sethrak for sure.
But they have a mount animation, sitting animation, working and talking animation for AU High arakkoa.
urban dew
Hold on one sec, I got something I want to paste here
steel venture
Cursed arakkoa have far more animations than High arakkoa.
urban dew
Here we go
So I thought of something. Why would there need to be a 35 year time leap on AU Draenor just to get Mag'har? We heard of the Botani and primals, both killed off. We see nothing of the Arakkoa, Saberon, or Ogres. It's safe to assume the Ogres were either pushed off continent or killed. The Saberon I'm unsure of. But what about the Arakkoa? When we last left them, no doubt their numbers were down a lot, with the fight against the Adherents and Iskar's betrayal. But now 35 years have passed. Does anyone else think that something might be suspicious here?
steel venture
Dance, sit/sleep, talk / exclaim / question.
urban dew
Arakkoa and Ogres are a perfect pair
steel venture
AND YEAH CURSED ARRAKKOA HAVE THEIR OWN DANCE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PUTS 'EM WAAAAY MORE UP THERE.
urban dew
Especially since there was a new Ogre model datamined that uses the KT skeleton
steel venture
When you're transformed into one /dance works on the old BC toy and the new WoD toy that turn you into the hunched arakkoa / cursed arakkoa.
tropic trail
Broken have tauren animations?
steel venture
ye.
the old ones at least
the new ones have male drae anims
broken have no female designed though.
ogres do have females designed, they're just featured in artwork instead of in game though.
urban dew
There's one from Traveler
tropic trail
Also, adding onto what I said about recolored worgen earlier
steel venture
Two from traverler, actually.
urban dew
Is there?
urban dew
Huh, I only saw the artwork and read a bit on the summaries
tropic trail
actually... nevermind
steel venture
There's the ogre-girl from the first book and the named ogre woman that's encoutnered in The Spiral Path.
steel venture
I believe the ogre woman is named Kruga?
urban dew
Feel free to discuss birbs while I'm gone, I'll catch up when I'm back
tropic trail
Let's not forget the TRUE allied races, or at least the ones that make the most since being one. R.I.P. Broken and Taunka
Arakkoa deserve to be a race
as much as ogres
tropic trail
looks like me
steel venture
Adult female ogres match the male build, teenager tend to look more like oversized female orcs.
At least according to what we saw in Traveler.
tropic trail
Not trying to be mean but she looks like mama june
steel venture
---raaahh these photos are coming out so bleh
hollow dock
makes sense. Since they are on the same evolutionary line
zealous basalt
Skitties
hollow dock
sky titties?
steel venture
Honestly a big wall of a female character like that would be terrifying LOL.
Female ogre warrior.
Comes at you like a damn FREIGHT TRAIN.
tropic trail
finally female characters can be big and strong
steel venture
Don't mess with MOMMA.
tropic trail
;-)
hollow dock
Mine already is big and strong.
tropic trail
what race?
steel venture
outside of allied races. body types WHEENNN??
zealous basalt
Locust
hollow dock
Gnome. She carries greatswords three times her size.
hollow dock
She can drop you
tropic trail
Anyone play LoL?
zealous basalt
Seems like the kind of woman everyone needs
hollow dock
yes
tropic trail
Okay so Im not against having fat ogre women
but...
What about ogres look like illaoi
hollow dock
not enough boobs or tentacles
tropic trail
except more... ogre-like
hollow dock
2/10
tropic trail
I like having races not all look the same, which is a problem for female races in fantasy games
but... it may be a problem
why should blizzard put a lot of work into ogre women if not many people will play them
I would love to play a big momma ogre but a lot of people wont agree
hollow dock
I'd rather play a night elf. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow dock
and a lot of their animations are 'unique' in the idea that they're spliced together
tropic trail
so they dont have worgen animations?
urban dew
No, they started based off of the worgen female, but it's been so heavily modified it's practically it's own thing now
neat idol
New build?
tropic trail
Oh okay
uncut vault
They’ve got plenty of modified player anims, but like vulpera they’re mostly different
hollow dock
Like they have worgen running, pandaren auto attack with swords, their own bite animation, etc etc
tropic trail
So why no snitties? Sethrak have abs
urban dew
Do you all mind if I get a bit tinfoily here for a sec?
thin ledge
When is the beta key event?
tropic trail
go ahead
urban dew
Gonna take silence as a yes
So I've heard rumors that Arakkoa and Ogres were planned to be races released in WoD
As we all know, there was just not enough time and resources dedicated to WoD, thus making it a huge content flop
So what if instead of trying to release them during WoD which had a lot of issues, they stowed them away
We all know that they plan stuff ahead of time
So what if they stowed them away for the allied race system?
tropic trail
urban dew
Could Arakkoa and Ogres actually be planned for BfA?
Everything kinda just seems set up for them
tulip sun
Hmm
It would make sense for the alliance to eventually interact with alternate draenor again
And ogres got a new model didnt they?
urban dew
Yeah, a recent ogre model that uses KT skelly as a base
tropic trail
You know that's tough, Arakkoa would make more sense as their own race but apparently everyone can be an allied race so that doesnt really matter.
tulip sun
The only difference is no starting zone
tulip sun
Starting zones are not really a huge thing anyhow
tropic trail
I dont think they'd be added in BFA but maybe in future expansions, with the amount of allied races being added.
tulip sun
I like the idea of recruiting them then them being playable
urban dew
I honestly think they could be in BfA
tulip sun
Instead of them just appearing
urban dew
Because they're going to slow way down after BfA
They can be recruited at any time
Especially if they follow somewhat close to how my scenario runs
tulip sun
Hmmm
tropic trail
Since blizzard foolishy announced any race can be an allied race, without it just being "subraces" everyone has pretty much ignored the idea of true races ever being made.
tulip sun
I hope after bfa, they just periodically add an old race already in factions, it would make sense.
tropic trail
I agree, but everything is "X = Allied Race" now
tulip sun
Ya, ok.
tropic trail
Allied Races are a way to add races without new animations/ leveling zones but that doesn't mean allied races replaced adding new races.
tulip sun
I prefer allied over fulll(plus idk how many more you can squeeze on that first tab)
I like experiencing the recruitment
tropic trail
Same
uncut vault
Kul Tirans have a full set of new anims
urban dew
Yeah, allied races is going to make everything so much easier to implement
That's why I think that Arakkoa and Ogres can finally happen
tropic trail
I hope allied races truly dont replace making new races
Its not that I dislike allied races
I just dont want to unlock every new race
urban dew
Because with on-release new races, it becomes difficult to try and find a way to bring these guys into their respective faction
Worgen, Goblin, and Pandaren have all had to be instanced in a separate zone that we can't reach.
And that no doubt takes time and money to produce those instanced zones that people are only ever gonna see when starting one of those new characters
And they can't get out without completing all those quests
uncut vault
It’s easier (and better) to incorporate them into the existing story as their intro, instead of wasting time on a one off 10 level zone
urban dew
Just makes everything easier overall with allied races
I see why Blizzard finally decided to incorporate it
jade basalt
The issue arises when these races that are infinitely simpler and cheaper to make are still half-assed.
tropic trail
its longer to unlock allied races though
jade basalt
There's no issue with doing less but at least do it well.
urban dew
I'm sure they wanted to get the current four out there as showing how the ARs work
jade basalt
No, unlocking takes like 10 minutes.
tulip sun
I think the first four were decentx the next four seem to be better in quality though
urban dew
Yeah, Kul'Tirans, Zandalari, Sethrak, and Vulpera
jade basalt
I was talking about the unlock scenario.
Some of the first four were not decent at all. And some of the next four are not either.
uncut vault
If you’re doing content already, you should have exalted by the time allied races come out
urban dew
Well, they did say that not all allied races will require rep
uncut vault
Only exception is DID and maghar
zealous basalt
What's up with dagar
jade basalt
Khammin you are reading my sentences in the wrong order, the 'I was talking about the unlock scenarios' was about how long it takes to unlock them. The unlock scenarios take 10-20 minutes.
urban dew
Oh boy
I did it guys
I cracked the code
Not gonna lie though, I liked going through the lightforging process with T'paartos
tranquil steeple
T'paartos best (Lightforged) Draenei
tropic trail
I know, I said that
like 5 minutes ago
what you seen was me saying I hope they dont replace em', in the future
or replace them for the most part
hollow dock
They wont. That concern was answered at blizzcon. Is what I was saying
tulip sun
Hmmmm
-waits quietly fornplayable taunka-
Does anyone else want to see Baine amd Maylsa charge into alliance forces with Roanauk behind them aiding with the elements?! ;o
tranquil steeple
Game mechanics =/= lore
tropic trail
but I want to roleplay a shadow lf priest
tranquil steeple
A lot of lore is reflected in the game, but as far as Game mechanics go, lore is essentially ignored
tropic trail
found someone
hollow dock
then have fun
tropic trail
thanks :-)
its on moonguard
ill spare you the details but she wants to see my dark side
tranquil steeple
Uh oh, MyMindWontQuiet's been typing for a while.... BRACE FOR IMPACT
tranquil steeple
Kek
jade basalt
I mean it may be "possible", after all Turalyon did manage to take Alleria's Void portal, and he did manage to touch her, but it caused him immense, crippling pain, because he is infused with Light. There's another case of 'can't mix with Light' people that still manage, exceptionally, to use it : undead. So, again, while technically it may be possible, you 1) will probably be a Mary Sue or something 2) need to think of this from more than just a technical point of view, but also, say, from an ideological one. You are a warrior of the Light, have fought to save the universe for thousands upon thousands of years in the name of the Light, led by a being of Light, and are infused by the very essence of the Light. It would thus make little sense for you to be a Shadow priest.
tropic trail
Its probably possible to be a lf draenei shadow priest
you just wont be a lf draenei anymore
fallen draenei?
tulip sun
Being a void priest contradicts a lightforged
tropic trail
void touched draenei?
jade basalt
I mean you are not Lightforged then.
tropic trail
they should add lore to it
tulip sun
I wouldnt be surprised if it caused death
jade basalt
Yeah I don't think we know the Lightforging process can be undone.
tropic trail
I would make a holy void elf
if I had them unlocked
it's just a matter of time
u got dis
if anything it's tomorrow lol
tropic trail
Thanks
You know what?
If y'all ever get in a deep argument about how alliance allied races are bad
Not saying y'all would but...
You have permission to use my LF Shadow priest
picture
its a joke tbh
okay honestly tho
why do nelf mages exist
when the nelves outlawed use of arcane
i was wondering that too
tulip sun
Highborne rejoined their society
hollow dock
Cataclysm
tropic trail
okay but why would tyrande let them though? the majority of them teamed up w azshara
hollow dock
War with the Twilight's Hammer has put the Night elves on the back foot
tyrande realizes that they need magic to combat magic here
tropic trail
ahhhhh
hollow dock
She allows in, very much on a person-by-person basis, the highborne
she's been in talks with them since bC
zealous basalt
And maiev tries to kill them
frozen dust
Tyrande sitting behind a desk, bifocals on as she looks at the person's resume
"Alright can you make a rune of power for me without summoning Sargeras"
"Mmkay very good"
"NEXT"
tropic trail
hgjgkdhk
tulip sun
There is a reason night elf mages suck, they are all brand new :P
terse patrol
Night Elf mages are technically not Night Elves. They’re Highborne from the Shen’dralar.
Though, there are some night elves the Shen’dralar have trained as mages.
@tulip sun
tropic trail
argus is azeroth in the future
theory
worm?
pls elaborate
its not
cant be
argus is a male titan
while azeroth is a her?
just memein
oh
tho its a fun idea
i thought you were gonna make some dank ass theory/AU/whatever about the two planets
it is a fun idea
tulip sun
Most night elf mages are brand new mages trained
Highborne have a different skin tone(unless they added it for players?)
zealous basalt
Probs
zealous basalt
Since cata?
hollow dock
Since Vanilla o:
Highborne isn't a different race
Highborne and the Night Elves are still apart of the Kaldorei race. They're just social castes
tulip sun
Ah, ok. I was thinking it was not for some reason
hollow dock
until cata I actually RP'd a highborne that hid herself as a normal lowborne
masked all her spells as 'Holy Light' to avoid suspicion
tulip sun
Interesting
tropic trail
my friend is in prison y'all
tulip sun
He I am guessing started that fight you mentioned earlier then?
tulip sun
Oh, ok. That sucks.
urban dew
The Birbsnek is back