beta-ptr-spoilers

[runic verge]

this is an important question for all raiders

if you could help by endorsing the question, the raiding community would appreciate

[hollow dock]

I mean.

You get dungeon items that are raid quality gear right now

why is that going to change?

[dense plover]

there are unique mythic+ azerite traits

and there are unique raid azerite traits

those are seperate because the dungeon traits help in both dungeons and raids

while at least one of the azerite raid traits is only for the raid

it procs an effect with other gear with that trait when it is in the raid

and only in uldir

not all raids

so like

i dont think you would want that trait on dungeon gear

since it would be useless for a dungeon

@runic verge what exactly do you mean if ^ isnt good?

[runic verge]

getting dungeon gear with raid ilevel is ok

getting unique raid traits from weekly m+ cache is weird

Ion isn't clear in his interview of which of the two is going to happen

because consider this, you're a raider
and as a raider you know that there are BIS passive traits

let's say your BIS passive trait comes from dungeon

and then in the weekly m+ cache you get a raid trait instead of a dungeon trait

that's not something supposed to happen

raid traits should only be acquired from raids

[hollow dock]

I havent read the interview but I dont see why theres any doubt that azerite gear,which has fixed traits and fixed drop locations, would be randomized outside of 1-2 bosses that might drop it in a dungeon for the m+ cache

[dense plover]

you dont get raid traits on mythic gear

there are special mythic dungeon traits

it isnt randomized

the gear you get is likely from a pool based on the dungeons you ran

but all mythic+ have the same mythic+ dungeon traits

[zealous basalt]

Raid traits?

[dense plover]

theres an uldir specific azerite trait in the data

we dont have the actual azerite raid gear yet so we dont know what it does

but it seems to proc other insteance of that trait on your gear when in the raid

[zealous basalt]

Ohh interesting

[tropic trail]

good morning

[cobalt gorge]

anyone knows a thread or something where i can see if there is any addon for beta? would love some details or dmg meter tbh

[mint arch]

dunno if there's such a thread

usually ppl just load the addons they want and see if they work

some addons have already been updated to patch 8.0 as well

[slate sparrow]

Hey guys. New to retail!

I been playing classic on private servers so I am going to get into retail before bfa!

[sullen dagger]

whaddap

welcome to the real thing

[hollow dock]

welcometo the arguably better game

[sullen dagger]

^

[mint arch]

lol, i was resisting the urge to say that xD

without the arguable~

=D

[tulip sun]

-has no clue why people like classic servers-

[hollow dock]

I dunno either

stuck in the past with those rose tinted goggles.

[mint arch]

come now

u get to farm the same exact content from 14 years ago

until ur 80

allll for dat sweet sweet.... community

[hollow dock]

and the 'feeling of earning it'

[mint arch]

aye, and u can then stand in ironforge displaying ur "earnings" till ur 80 as well

[slate sparrow]

Lol

[sullen dagger]

what 80?

60

ah

[slate sparrow]

60

[sullen dagger]

you meant people's age

[mint arch]

aye

[sullen dagger]

my bad

[slate sparrow]

And I just started doing in last December

I have a character on retail. Level 109 on tich server. But it's all so confusing lol

[sullen dagger]

why confusing?

ask and we will anser

the lore-bot is online

well i think both lorebots

yeah peach os inline aswell

[mint arch]

the lore gods

[hollow dock]

Indeed @slate sparrow We do our best to aid

[sullen dagger]

dear god it's 8 in the evening and it's 37ºC

kill me i want a pool

[slate sparrow]

Okay. I am at work now.

I regret using the boost to level lol

Should had done it from scratch

[mint arch]

aye, leveling's been changed in retail game

the whole world is scaled to ur level, so u can pretty much lvl where ever u want till 80

[slate sparrow]

I wanna be prepared for bfa without doing shit that will be pointleas

Pointlwss

[mint arch]

rip spelling

[slate sparrow]

Yea

[mint arch]

xP

[slate sparrow]

On my phone and multitasking

Rip English

[strange falcon]

btw guys,while you were arguing,this was found..

https://youtu.be/8OYny89FCFY they're tameable

[mint arch]

wait, an argument!?

what was it about?

i missed it :<

[slate sparrow]

If anyone has a guild accepting newbs like myself on alliance /tich server.

I'm pst time zone. :)

[strange falcon]

ALLIANCE

[slate sparrow]

Hahaha

[sullen dagger]

ALL HAIL ALLIANCE

[slate sparrow]

Maybe I'll reroll

[sullen dagger]

DONT GO TO THE FILTHY HORDE

[slate sparrow]

Go fearward

[sullen dagger]

THEY ARE INFIDELS

[strange falcon]

horde is the true faction

[tropic trail]

ye

[slate sparrow]

So how do you guys get to play betA?

Or are you ?

[strange falcon]

we're blessed

[sullen dagger]

retta, try the recruiting on the #group-raid-eu or #retail-guild-recruitment-us

[sharp bluff]

But Dafire, can we tame Murlocs yet?

[slate sparrow]

So it seems :)

Ok omak

[sullen dagger]

wait is tich on eu?

[slate sparrow]

Na

[sullen dagger]

ah, then #group-raid-us

seriously, pick whatever faction

[slate sparrow]

Haha

[mint arch]

but seriously, play alliance

=D

[strange falcon]

but really seriously,play horde

[slate sparrow]

So are they making it to were we cannot change specs on the fly ?

[sullen dagger]

tichondrius is a horde server

[strange falcon]

you can

[mint arch]

nah, sylvanas sucks and is evil

[slate sparrow]

I liked horde on classic better than I like allaincd

[sullen dagger]

sylvannas is a bad female dog

[slate sparrow]

Oh. I though bfa was changing that

[hollow dock]

yea she's a cunt.

nah

It just made it worse

[mint arch]

BFA is making it more evil

xD

[sullen dagger]

you just hit "N" and change specs on the fly meanwhile you are uot of combat

[hollow dock]

Don't buy what Blizzard said about the horde being 'morally grey'. The horde is being manipulated into doing lots of evil for Sylvanas

[mint arch]

specs can be changed anywhere as long as out of combat, talents need to be in rested zones or with an item

[sullen dagger]

G A R R O S H 2 . 0 B O I S

[mint arch]

more like Garrosh Prime

[hollow dock]

no longer are you requird to go back to a trainer for spec changing or talent resets. Just pop into a city or an inn and bam

[sullen dagger]

kek

[slate sparrow]

But for bfa?

[hollow dock]

same system

Not changing :p

[slate sparrow]

Okay I see

[sullen dagger]

yep, they didint changed anything

[slate sparrow]

Is priest main heals?

[hollow dock]

A lot of what's in Legion is transfering over to BFA with a few exceptions

Depends on if you want to heal ona priest!

[slate sparrow]

Yes

[mint arch]

there is no main healing spec really, its situational

[sullen dagger]

there's two specs that heal, the other one (shadow) does a fuckton of dps

[strange falcon]

everyone is main heals as long as you're not doing the hardest content

[hollow dock]

All the healers have their ups and downs more so depending on the fight andthe player

[mint arch]

^

[slate sparrow]

🤔

[mint arch]

aye, lotsa choices for healing

[sullen dagger]

i have a friend who runs stm on teh shadow priest

[slate sparrow]

I see

[sullen dagger]

and that shit is batshit crazy

[hollow dock]

Unlike classic, the classes are balanced and most are competitive with each other.

[strange falcon]

yes retta,you heard right,warrior is not anymore the only viable tank for raiding @slate sparrow

[slate sparrow]

Wow

[hollow dock]

bears are the best tanks!

yea. bears.

[strange falcon]

agree

[mint arch]

well, in BFA

[sullen dagger]

havoc are

[slate sparrow]

Druid?

[mint arch]

vengeance DH

[hollow dock]

Yup

[sullen dagger]

joke

[strange falcon]

brewmaster monk seems to be the most fun tank gameplay wise

[hollow dock]

Feral isn't a joke or troll spec either. Cat is a perfectly viable DPS spec

[slate sparrow]

I se3

See

[sullen dagger]

imho next xpac the best tank will be the dk

[slate sparrow]

Well i would wanna heal

[hollow dock]

With the current balance of them all, yea.

Probably

[sullen dagger]

just bcause the spell shield

[strange falcon]

depends what playstyle you prefer retta,there's a lot of healers out ther

[slate sparrow]

Lol. Priest

[hollow dock]

Well Retta, if you like big ol' AOE healing, Holy Priest and Resto shaman are your go tos

[sullen dagger]

yea

[hollow dock]

if you love the big ST heals and keeping up with the tanks, Holy Pally would be your style

[mint arch]

holy paladins get a BADASS warhammer though =D

[slate sparrow]

Hmm

[sullen dagger]

the tree is good for aoe healing

[hollow dock]

If you like the more micro behind soaking damage, Discipline is great.

Tree is a jack of all trades healer

[slate sparrow]

Hmm I might look at pali

[sullen dagger]

bubbledins are nice

[slate sparrow]

Me and my bf would wanna duo

[sullen dagger]

at the level of dickims with rogues tho

[slate sparrow]

He always plays tank/warr

[sullen dagger]

then maybe pally is good idea

or disc priest

[hollow dock]

A pocket healer would do him great! and yea. Hpally is great for that role

[slate sparrow]

Thanks

[strange falcon]

all tanks are prettymuch viable unless you want to go the hardest of the hard content,

same with healers

[hollow dock]

Yup!

[slate sparrow]

Id wanna be able to dps tho also

[strange falcon]

then pick an hybrid healer class

[hollow dock]

At heroic, unless you're good at the game which isn't all that hard, you can play pretty much whatever you want.

[sullen dagger]

disc

[hollow dock]

Holyadin likes to DPS while downtimes going on

[sullen dagger]

discipline priest is what you are looking for

[slate sparrow]

Kk

[hollow dock]

unless you mean you'd want a class that can also DPS

[slate sparrow]

Yea. Priest I'm sure

[strange falcon]

because if you want to do healing by doing damage,then disc yeah

if you want to heal,and then dps as a different spec

go with a hybrid

[tropic trail]

how are marksmanship hunters in BFA?

[hollow dock]

Which is basically all healing classes.

[tropic trail]

And are there any changes to shammys?

[sullen dagger]

yea, all healer classes have dps

[hollow dock]

People don't like the slowing down pace, but I amenjoying them greatly

[sullen dagger]

i guess more totemsd are removed

it's the meme

[hollow dock]

MM is much more methodical, slower but hits harder.

[sullen dagger]

mm is nice with the multishot

[strange falcon]

they added MORE totems

[hollow dock]

the ultimate reverse meme

[sullen dagger]

oh they ADDED totems?

that's juicy

[tropic trail]

finally I see more totems when I play enhancement

[sullen dagger]

dont worry they will remove some as the xpac goes by

[strange falcon]

they made the stun totem baseline,put in the "dispells fear and stuff" totem in

etc

[tropic trail]

instead of just the lightning pulse totem

and the slow totem

[sullen dagger]

anyway

[tropic trail]

I have a feeling I just said something dumb ashell

[sullen dagger]

i just finished gearing my warrior fury called deusvult for the next xpac

i'm gona mow hordes for the light

and the blood, offc

[hollow dock]

If you think shaman is only about totems then I am glad you got more of that

[sullen dagger]

^

they are goddamn master jedis

and throw lava in to the face of thheir enemies

also rocks

but that's kinda more common

[tropic trail]

me?

never said that

Just like using totems :-)

[strange falcon]

well,you're a warrior,with a name about crusades, and you're crusading for blood

got a bit of identity crisis there

[hollow dock]

[3:55 PM] Ryswell: finally I see more totems when I play enhancement(edited) you very much said that

[sullen dagger]

not really

i'm cleansing the land of the filthy sxenos

[tropic trail]

why do you always try to start shit

[hollow dock]

you try to back peddle.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sullen dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1CQ7Vwz8Eo

with that as background song

FOR MANDUIN

[strange falcon]

doing crusades for a pacifist king

[sullen dagger]

well, im a berserker

i do hit things with the swords

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and if they are green, better

[hollow dock]

DEUS VULT

[sullen dagger]

DEUS VULT

[hollow dock]

FOR THE ARMY OF THE LIGHT! FOR XE'RA!

[sullen dagger]

FOR THE EMPEROR

man, reading the heresey of horus has my blood boiling

they are friggin good

[strange falcon]

xe'ra is ded tho

🤔

[hollow dock]

so?

Sylvanas is dead. You still say 'FOR SYLVANAS' as undead

[sullen dagger]

oh man

[strange falcon]

but the difference is

[sullen dagger]

someone look for the firefighters

[strange falcon]

Xe'ra is just a bunch of shiny pieces in the vindicaar trash can

[hollow dock]

and how about 'FOR UTHER'?

[sullen dagger]

SUMONE IS BURNT

[strange falcon]

sylvanas goes around killing people daily

[hollow dock]

'FOR LOTHAR'

etc

[sullen dagger]

HELLUVA BURNT

[hollow dock]

Living or dead don't matter for a battle cry

[sullen dagger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/adidas-manchester-mufc-26FL0jwgSfOnirduw

[hollow dock]

if anything, it's better when theyre dead

[zealous basalt]

The Emperor isn't dead tho

[hollow dock]

cuz then you can coin in that sweet sweet holy revengence

[sullen dagger]

the emperor will rise to his rightly place

and will be the god fo mankind

[zealous basalt]

And purge the xeno trash?

[sullen dagger]

GOODAMN STRAIGHT

fithy xeno trash

even the tau

also, protect the empire of man form the chaos

that's important

[zealous basalt]

Oh yeah

Get your stuff ready when warping m8s

[tropic trail]

This looks like it could be a pretty cool expansion after BFA, definitely with Azshara and what-not

[zealous basalt]

tldr

[tropic trail]

im sorry if this has already been posted before

found it on reddit and wanted to share it

[zealous basalt]

more like

rise of gnomes and goblins

amrite?

[tropic trail]

it'd be nice to see more goblins and gnomes IMO

and think of the allied races

Gilblins please

[sullen dagger]

well, gnomes are the evil incarnate

[dense plover]

arent gilblins evil?

like, dont they work for nzoth?

or the naga?

also, theyre dumb

[tropic trail]

yeah they worked for a certain naga

but nothing says they serve nzoth

I understand there are better races for a goblin allied race but I just felt Giblins could be a good idea because of story relevance

[dense plover]

vulpera will probably be the goblin allied race

[slate sparrow]

Ahahah I am horde

Thought I was allaincr

[tropic trail]

Oh okay

Do you mind me asking why Vulpera though?

I get the animations but that can't be all, can it?

[terse patrol]

#ressurectparqual

[clever ember]

Vulpera make more sense to the story in bfa. But again void elf’s didn’t really make sense and we got those. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[terse patrol]

#ressurectelsie

i dont get why they couldnt have like

had void elves be part of the army of the Argussian Reach on Argus

Like

Elves who joined the army with her

[dense plover]

vulpera are directly related to the story, and skeleton similarity 100% matters. All allied races except zandalari and kul tiran are skeleton copies

[clever ember]

We may only be getting maghar/DI and zandas/kultiran. We don’t know yet.

[terse patrol]

elves who got abandoned on draenor when it exploded

[viscid bobcat]

They said that there will be more

[tropic trail]

So Allied Races are confirmed not Subraces?

[dense plover]

there were not that many elves on draenor when it was becoming outland

[terse patrol]

Theres rumors we might not get Sethrak, and instead get some sort of fish race. Which would be lame as fuck.

[dense plover]

where is that rumor from?

im calling bullshit

[strange falcon]

you mean jinyu

[dense plover]

thats gotta be people saying - look the fish people from pandaria are here! alllied race!

[terse patrol]

Nah, not Jinyu. Something Naga related.

[dense plover]

thats super unlikely

[terse patrol]

I think its a BS rumor tho

Sethrak pls

Or Drakonids

[dense plover]

first of all, if naga would go anywhere it would be horde

[clever ember]

In future patches and xpacs. But that may be it for bfa. Again we don’t know. Vulps are adorable though. I would totally play one. Sethrak too.

[dense plover]

not alliance

alliance would never ever allow naga

[terse patrol]

Drakonids for Alliance pla

pls

[dense plover]

they wont do drakonids

there are no more dragon eggs

[terse patrol]

@dense plover the implication was they’d be a slave race in nazjatar or someshit

[dense plover]

so there are a small population, more cant be made

[strange falcon]

they still need to solve the issue of naga legs,and guess what,they did already,it's called sethrak,reptile race with legs

[terse patrol]

@dense plover Drakonids arent made by eggs

[hollow dock]

honk the high elves on draenor that got abandoned are still on draenor

[terse patrol]

They’re mortals turned into half-dragons.

[hollow dock]

or are genetically created in the labs

[terse patrol]

yes

All Flights have them.

[dense plover]

hmmm

[tropic trail]

Ill come back tomorrow, today seems like a bad day

[dense plover]

i dont know if they can make new ones though

[terse patrol]

Theres no lore saying otherwise

[dense plover]

theres no lore saying they caan though

and if they were to do drakonid - as they have talked about this - they want each side to get some

[hollow dock]

I believe the current head canon is that the transformation of willing dragonsworn was done via titan abilities

[terse patrol]

Blizzard can easily just say “they can.”

[dense plover]

so that would be certain colors on each side

[hollow dock]

In which, the black drakonids are almost entirely made and grown in the labs.

[terse patrol]

And lets be real

[dense plover]

also, drakonids would definitely be a full race

[terse patrol]

No dragonflight would go Horde. There’s no incentive. The Alliance is more likely.

[hollow dock]

which we've destroyed in triplicate

IMO I don't see why any dragonflight would pick any side

they're a dragonflight

they already have a side

[clever ember]

Also, that’s why the new races are called allied races and not subraces. They’ll have more options to add under the allied race tag. Subraces are great though! I’d love to see some wildhammer dwarf options.

[terse patrol]

Alextrasza I could see getting fed up with the Horde.

[hollow dock]

Why tho

[dense plover]

Doesnt matter if they would pick a side - blizzard themselves have said they have talked about drakonid and wouldnt do it without giving them to both sides

[hollow dock]

when the horde literally tries to wipe out life at a constant rate but Alex doesn't care

she kept out of those politics for a reason

[terse patrol]

it makes no sense to give them to the horde tho

[hollow dock]

It makes no sense for them to go to either side is my point

[dense plover]

it makes no sense for them to go alliance tho

they literally dont pick sides

[terse patrol]

The Red Flight would never align with Orcs, for instance. Let alone the Forsaken.

[hollow dock]

they have no reason to mingle with mortal politics.

[clever ember]

Void elf’s didn’t really make sense. Other than they are exiled blood elves.

[terse patrol]

@hollow dock Black dragons for Alliance 😉

hehehe

[dense plover]

void elves make plenty of sense, they just were a surprise

[sharp bluff]

Idk were the blues in legion canonically helped by horde or alliance?

[clever ember]

Is wrathion going to make an appearance in bfa?

[terse patrol]

Wrathion x Anduin

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe?

[hollow dock]

Blue dragons don't even exist as a flight, the bronze are tidying up timelines, the green flight doesn't exist, the reds are reclusive now, the blacks are reclusive. Did I miss any?

[dense plover]

^

there are no real functioning dragon flights anymore outside of the bronze flight

[terse patrol]

I could see Anduin taking pity on purified black dragons.

[hollow dock]

But why would the black dragons join

in the first place

[dense plover]

^

they dont need pity

[hollow dock]

^

[dense plover]

theyre fucking dragons

and they have a fucking job to do

[terse patrol]

Because most black dragons were killed canonically by Horde.

[dense plover]

uh

[hollow dock]

again

that doesn't matter

at all

[dense plover]

nefarion?

[terse patrol]

Killed by Horde

[dense plover]

how about nefarions sister?

[hollow dock]

Alex didn't go join the alliance

after the second war

she just fucking left

[dense plover]

onyxia?

[hollow dock]

and then accepted aid from BOTH sides

Horde

Alliance

[dense plover]

^

[hollow dock]

didn't matter to her

[terse patrol]

just sayin, black dragons seem to have a thing for humans

[hollow dock]

There used to be a reason behind that actually.

I'm not sure if its canon or if it was RPG jargon tho

[terse patrol]

You see Wrathion wantin to get that princely D

[hollow dock]

also Wrathion does make an apperance

[dense plover]

the black dragon bad guys associated with humans because it was the easiest to sow chaos in the human kingdoms

[hollow dock]

there is a quest tied to him

[sullen dagger]

new allied race: frusonas

[dense plover]

we dont know if wrathion is there though

[hollow dock]

After mercilessly slaughtering the purified black dragons, you loot a scale

[sullen dagger]

now everyone can make his edgy hedhog and let alone wow players

[dense plover]

we just know we try to find wrathion

also

[hollow dock]

this scale gives you a quest to go and talk to wrathion about this

[dense plover]

honk

anduin is straight

he likes gurlz

[hollow dock]

sadly peach, this is WoW

[terse patrol]

Didnt they say that black dragons mingled in mortal societies more than all the other flights pre-corruption?

[hollow dock]

everyone is gei

[sharp bluff]

Ebonhorn Honk

[clever ember]

Anduin was falling in love with a dwarf lol

[hollow dock]

not at all honk

[clever ember]

Then she died

[hollow dock]

Black dragons, like all dragons outside of like. Blue

[sullen dagger]

the diamond dwarf?=

[dense plover]

yeah, pre-cataclysm some did mingle - the evil ones

[hollow dock]

were reclusive

pre-corruption

[terse patrol]

if anduin marries taelia i will “reeeeee”

[hollow dock]

since all that was around was elves

[dense plover]

the only black dragons who mingled with humans were evil

[hollow dock]

^

[dense plover]

except wrathion

[terse patrol]

Anduin deserves a dwarf, orc, or draenei waifu

[hollow dock]

eh

[dense plover]

hes an exception to the rule

[clever ember]

I think he’s gonna get hitched at the end of bfa. All this talk about heirs and the fact that he has his moms rings.

[hollow dock]

arguable

he's legit moral grey

[dense plover]

very much so

[terse patrol]

NO WANT TAELIA

REEEEEE

[hollow dock]

Anduin x Fareeya when

[terse patrol]

i’ll be so salty if they do the laziest shit ever

[sullen dagger]

that would work

[terse patrol]

and go eith taelia

with*

[dense plover]

we have no evidence anduin even likes taelia

[terse patrol]

er

[clever ember]

He’s totally gonna get hitched to taelia. Or she’s gonna reject him.

[dense plover]

theres no real dialogue between the two

[terse patrol]

Did you hear his dialogue!

[dense plover]

they dont really interact

[hollow dock]

We have no evidence he likes anyone that isn't a goat

[terse patrol]

Yes they do

[hollow dock]

in which Honk

[dense plover]

we have evidence he liked a dwarf

[hollow dock]

that was a formal exchange

[dense plover]

and then she died in the cataclysm

[clever ember]

Doesn’t arthas’s sister make an appearance in the expansion too?

[terse patrol]

Anduin invites her back to Stormwind, really excited about telling her about Bolvar. @dense plover

[dense plover]

he was like 14 tho

yeah

thats not sexual interest though

[terse patrol]

He seems way too elated to meet her.

[hollow dock]

yes a formal exchange is that of curtesy, niceties, etc etc etc

[dense plover]

thats - your dad is a badass hero/lich king

[hollow dock]

luch king

LUCH

KIN

[dense plover]

he saved all of humanity

[terse patrol]

Lunch King

[dense plover]

let me ofiicially thank you in front of all the humans

[clever ember]

Even before the storm hint at him feeling more than just friendship towards the dwarf aerin whatsherface

[dense plover]

its him acting as king of stormwind, not anduin wrynn

yeah, he liked the dwarf

then she died

its why he hasnt dated

the one person he started to like died

[terse patrol]

too bad

[dense plover]

early on in his romantic life

[clever ember]

Mmhmm

[terse patrol]

I’d like to see him get with a non-human.

But I think Blizzard is chicken as fuck

[dense plover]

i dont

they literally wrote him with a dwarf in the book

[terse patrol]

watch them put him with taelia

[dense plover]

i wont

because it wont happen

taelia wants adventure

[hollow dock]

I dont care really

[clever ember]

Well dwarves are still more human like than Draenei. So that’s not a far stretch.

[dense plover]

anduin is not that person

[hollow dock]

I just want a good story

fuck all your fan ships

cuz they're fan ships

ya know?

[dense plover]

^

[terse patrol]

I personally want him to get with an Orc but, thats just me. Put an end to the faction war for good.

[dense plover]

🤢

[terse patrol]

racist

[clever ember]

Female thrall from AU dreanor

[dense plover]

you would so quickly ruin the story if you worked for blizzard

[hollow dock]

Isn't that speciesist?

[dense plover]

its amazing how fast the story would die

it would be

if i didnt have an orc character

[terse patrol]

mrpeach officially came out as a speciesist

[dense plover]

and didnt main horde

[hollow dock]

believeitornotHonkwedonthavetoforcediversityinhere

[dense plover]

force diversity doesnt mean not allow diversity though

wow is sorely lacking in it

[hollow dock]

Mostly because of shitty things like other countries not being open

[terse patrol]

i just want them to do something daring with it.

[hollow dock]

they won't. censorship is garbage

[terse patrol]

Go with a dwarf.

[dense plover]

and tbh, lgbtq relations in wow are insanely lacking. characters dont give any fucks about that in game. and yeah, it almost definitely has to do with being a worldwide game

[terse patrol]

Hook him up with Yrel

[hollow dock]

nah. Fareeya

[dense plover]

yrel is being locked on draenor

we see her for a scenario, and then we never go to draenor again

[terse patrol]

if you seriously think she’s stuck on draenor

[dense plover]

i do

[terse patrol]

you got another thing coming

[dense plover]

because we close the fucking portal

and the horde has the artifact

[clever ember]

But we opened another one to bring the AU orcs over. Didn’t we?

[terse patrol]

you reaaaaally seem confident

[hollow dock]

8.2 we steal the artifact

[dense plover]

thats what im talking about

[grave tulip]

Guys, i received Beta key, but i dont want it, is there anything i can do with it besides giving it away or using it?

[hollow dock]

nope

Oh wait

[dense plover]

at the end, we disconnect the artifact from the portal permanently

[hollow dock]

the actual key itself?

[dense plover]

yeah, you can give it away or use it

[lone marten]

Ill take it off ur hands?

[hollow dock]

you can either give it away to someone or use it yourself. that's it

[lone marten]

haha

[clever ember]

If it’s on your wow account already @grave tulip there is nothing you can do.

[hollow dock]

Not the key Nash

if its in key form

[dense plover]

if its a key it isnt on an account

[hollow dock]

it's not auto tagged onto the account

[clever ember]

Ah, yeah if it’s a key you can give it away.

[hollow dock]

In which I'll happily take it off your hands =3

it can be such a burdern ya know

[lone marten]

Same lol

[dense plover]

or you could give it to a friend who wants it

[lone marten]

Yea

[grave tulip]

i know a lot of people would love it, but for now i just want to explore options as i know i wont be able to play for some time

[dense plover]

just dont sell it

[hollow dock]

Well you only have 2 options.

[lone marten]

Yea

[dense plover]

its against the ToS

[grave tulip]

i am not an asshole

[hollow dock]

Give it away or let it rot on your account

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense plover]

^

[grave tulip]

well, thanks for info 😃

[tranquil steeple]

ask your friends who play WoW if they're interested in a Beta key, and give it to them, unless you wanna consider using it yourself first

[zealous basalt]

shipping?

Who are we shipping today?

Khadgar x Modera?

[clever ember]

Anduin and Taelia

[tranquil steeple]

I'm shipping myself with cookies c:

[hollow dock]

Modera wants that belf dick tho

[zealous basalt]

Aethas'?

[hollow dock]

yup

[uncut vault]

She’s sure settling for tiny

[hollow dock]

it's not the size of the boat

it's the motion of the ocean

[zealous basalt]

Eredar sisters x netherlord

[terse patrol]

eredar sisters are packing heat, we all know that

[hollow dock]

theyre eredar

they are legally obligated to do so

[zealous basalt]

I have the OTP

[terse patrol]

just like draenei “females”

[hollow dock]

theyre still females honk

they jus thave dicks

[zealous basalt]

Nazgrim x Strangulate spell

[terse patrol]

tru

[hollow dock]

I want someone to look at me like Nazgrim looks at Stangulate

[tropic trail]

what is this chat

[hollow dock]

Nonsense

that's what this chat is

[terse patrol]

playable demons when

[hollow dock]

never

[terse patrol]

WHEN

[hollow dock]

N E V E R

[tropic trail]

we have playable demons

[hollow dock]

DHs

bam

done

move on

[terse patrol]

no

i want eredar for horde

[zealous basalt]

no pls

moonguard has enough with draenei

pls don't add the rest

[tropic trail]

someone said it for me

thanks

[terse patrol]

nah, need as many draenei as we do elves

[hollow dock]

We need more of both elves and draenei

Let's revive the trend that is Draelves

[tropic trail]

No more draenei

but I'll take dark elves

[hollow dock]

more goats

dark elves exist. they're night elves.

[sullen dagger]

what dark elves

rhys this aint d&d

[tropic trail]

dark as in dark magic

[sullen dagger]

if you want some toasted elves, we have void elves now

[hollow dock]

that isn't wha tmakes a dark elf

just sayin

[sullen dagger]

^

dark elves = drow

usually

[terse patrol]

if we go underground

i want

underground elves

[hollow dock]

So drow

which are night elves

[sullen dagger]

^

[terse patrol]

boi know what would be cool?

[sullen dagger]

also, dro are usually bad

[terse patrol]

Playable Aqir

[sullen dagger]

like hyper bad

[hollow dock]

The hell do Aqir even look like

[tropic trail]

bugs

[hollow dock]

we knowthey morphed into bug people

[terse patrol]

The Twin Emperors

[sullen dagger]

their matron godess is a friggin chaos spider

[terse patrol]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/d/d9/TwinEmperor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060104205639

Just give them a big makeover

[hollow dock]

twinemps aren't aqir

they're qiraji

[sullen dagger]

dude what has the people with trying to make weird racies int playables

[terse patrol]

theyre probably closest to aqir tho

[hollow dock]

I doubt that

[terse patrol]

I want weird albino cave elves.

[tropic trail]

Playable Fal'dorei

Except they all are anduin's children

Lightforged Fal'dorei

[terse patrol]

how would you put those on mounts

[tropic trail]

fal'dorei?

they are the mounts

[uncut vault]

Legs wrap around the horse

[terse patrol]

@uncut vault if thats the case, have naga coil around the mount lol

[sullen dagger]

yeah i want peler gnomes

leper*

[terse patrol]

There are no more leper gnomes canonically

[sullen dagger]

and mechagnomes aswell

[hollow dock]

Lepresy was sorta solved

[sullen dagger]

let's plunge the world into chaos

[tropic trail]

mechagnomes

[terse patrol]

They got de-lepered

[hollow dock]

all the way back in cata

[terse patrol]

so

[sullen dagger]

well, void leper gnomes

[terse patrol]

Gnomes actually arent low in numbers anymore

[sullen dagger]

oh oh

and warfroged mechagnomes

[tropic trail]

lmao what if they added alleria as an allie drace

oh wait

[terse patrol]

I dont like mechagnomes. I want cyborg gnomes

[uncut vault]

There are still leper gnomes

[sullen dagger]

they were hidden with the shttrak

[uncut vault]

In traveler

[terse patrol]

theyre probably a rare thing tho @uncut vault

[sullen dagger]

and the tuskarr

[uncut vault]

Uses a suit to suppress the mental ailments

[sullen dagger]

who gives more?

[terse patrol]

tbh

Traveler just makes me want playable gnolls

[sullen dagger]

wtf

im done

[terse patrol]

The gnolls in Traveler are cute af

[tropic trail]

anyone watched gforce?

replace those with gnomes. Boom! Allied race

[terse patrol]

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/009/692/305/large/trent-kaniuga-book-2-cover-ver4noframe.jpg?1520363815

[uncut vault]

Leper gnomes just need to be an option for the eventual junker/cyborg gnomes, alongside normal skin tones

[sullen dagger]

even friggin driads would make more sense

[uncut vault]

Since it’s established they use tech for their ailments

[terse patrol]

Warcraft Traveler is basically the series that adds a lot of fluff lore to WoW.

[sullen dagger]

11 pm - 33ºc

[terse patrol]

Gnolls arent all bad, nor are any of the “critter races.”

[sullen dagger]

kill me

the summer is here

[tropic trail]

anyone else seeing the trend?

How legion allied races are all new races introduced in legion?

then DIDwarves and Mag'har are fan favorites

while Zandalari and Kul Tiran Humans are story relevant like legion allied races too

maybe the next set of allied races after zandalari and kul tirans are fan favorites aswell?

dark iron dwarves are fuckin awesome

then they go back to story relevance

[uncut vault]

🧝🏼‍♂️🧝🏼‍♀️

[tropic trail]

Sorry if I wasnt clear, I'll explain

There are three sets of allied races so far

Legion Allied Races

Launch Allied Races

and BFA Allied Races

[terse patrol]

I’m 90% sure we’re getting an alled race for each base race in BFA, then they’re going to slow down in what we get from here on.

[tropic trail]

What Im suggesting is that it's going to go from Story Relevant Allied Races > Fan Favorite/"Old" Allied Races > Story Relevant Allied Races > Fan Favorite/"Old" Allied Races

So on and so forth

inb4 ogres

[terse patrol]

Ogres would be a full race.

[tropic trail]

aren't allied races a full race?

technically

cause they got their racials n shit

[terse patrol]

No, they use other races assets.

[tropic trail]

i suppose. but hey ya never know

[terse patrol]

Blizzard specifically said Allied Races aren’t full races.

[tropic trail]

I always thought of Allied Races as sub races

ah ok

[terse patrol]

they arent subraces

[tropic trail]

but since everyone here is saying Vulpera are going to be an allied race

Im guessing not

[terse patrol]

Blizzard has said Allied Races aren’t confined to subraces.

[tulip sun]

They specifically said unique races could be added

[terse patrol]

That’s specifically why they called them Allied Races.

[tropic trail]

I know that

I just said "I always thought of them as subraces"

Never said anything like "They are confirmed subraces GTFO if you dont believe me"

sorry for being mean

just wanted to get my point across

[uncut vault]

Doing the “pump out one for each embassy member then add them sparingly” approach makes sense

[tropic trail]

I dont see the problem with LF Draenei and HM Tauren tbh

when farming rep for them they really grew on me

only allied race that didnt grow on my was void elves

but they have pretty customization I guess so who cares

[terse patrol]

Like, we already have a strongly rumored connected race for each base race we have left. @uncut vault

Junker Gnomes, San'layn, Vulpera, Sethrak.

Then they'd be done with allied races this expac probably.

[tropic trail]

So that means to worgen subrace? :(

[terse patrol]

no

[hollow dock]

sethrak would be that race.

[terse patrol]

No worgen subrace.

[tropic trail]

Sethrak arent a subrace

[terse patrol]

So, no Husky Werewolf.

[hollow dock]

Oh as a legitimate sub race

[tropic trail]

yeah

[terse patrol]

why are people so hellbent on "subraces"

[hollow dock]

No idea

then again you're furiously pushing for a subrace

soask yourself that one?

[tropic trail]

Well I really like dwarves, worgen, and tauren

[terse patrol]

Sethrak would be way better than any possible Worgen subrace.

[uncut vault]

Cause that’s where the concept started, really

I can’t blame them

[tropic trail]

Im happy that tauren and dwarves got a subrace

but my worgen

:-(

[uncut vault]

Same reason I want high elves, subraces idea started with them and maghar

[terse patrol]

Anyhow, I'm not SAYING we'll get San'layn, Junker Gnomes, Sethrak, and Vulpera. But I do say the Gnomes and Vulpera are the most likely ones.

[tropic trail]

Oh well, I guess one race had to sacrifice itself to support vulpera.

Maybe another day I'll get a worgen subrace.

[strange falcon]

sethrak are the worgen subrace pogchamp

[tropic trail]

subrace as in legit subrace

like highmountain tauren

and dark iron dwarves

the same race but slightly different

[terse patrol]

a recolored worgen would be the lamest shit sorry

[tropic trail]

cries in corner

R.I.P. Night Elf Worgen

[terse patrol]

they look literally the same as regular worgen

[tulip sun]

Night elf worgen sound like the most boring option...nonofgrnse

[terse patrol]

you're not missing anything

[tulip sun]

No offense

[tropic trail]

yeah but everyone got so excited over them

I get out Sethrak and Vulpera can be a cool idea

but once you add true subraces

worgen and goblin mains would want the same thing right?

Oh no they end up getting races that only share skeletons, that's it

They're left out of the fun

everybody else that wanted vulpera and sethrak get what they wanted

but goblins and worgen feel left out, at least the ones that dont care for vulpera and sethrak

dwarf mains were probably excited out of their minds when dark iron dwarves were revealed

[terse patrol]

...

[tulip sun]

It is not a competition on who can get a subrace added. It needs to make sense and work with the story too

[terse patrol]

Why would anyone want Gilblins

they dont even look cool

[tulip sun]

Gilgoblins likely wouldnt joinnthe horde even if relevant

[terse patrol]

Also, again, Night Elf worgen look identical to regular worgen.

[tulip sun]

And theonly technical subrace is highmountain and dark iron i think

[terse patrol]

Did you know most worgen you see in Duskwood and Silverpine are night elf worgen?

[tropic trail]

doesnt have to

[terse patrol]

<_>

[tropic trail]

add anters or something

hell

[tulip sun]

Uh no

[terse patrol]

You’d have to add antlers to all the Duskwood worgen.

That’d be dumb

[tulip sun]

I dont get why you want specific subraces

That is not the point of this

[tropic trail]

I get that

Im just saying

when dwarves and trolls get true subraces

and then people who play goblins and worgens dont

[tulip sun]

Why specifically goblin and worgens? Also wouldnt call Zandalari a subrace

[sullen dagger]

it ios

is*

[terse patrol]

Ryswell

You do realize that to make a subrace for Worgens and Goblins

[sullen dagger]

not as is, like africans and asians here in our world

but it's meant "usbrace" as they are trolls

[terse patrol]

They’d have to completely redo the existing models as well?

[sullen dagger]

another tribe, but trolls nontheless

[tropic trail]

they're considering doing that afaik

in BFA

[tulip sun]

If anything, darkspear are the subrace

[sullen dagger]

whatever dude

but you get the gist

[tulip sun]

He wants all races to get a new version of themselves

[sullen dagger]

it's subrace since trolls (darkspear) were there for us before

simply that

[tulip sun]

Like the highmountain and lightforged

[terse patrol]

god i dont want this to just be a shitty recolor system.

[sullen dagger]

and they speak about subrace for us, players

[terse patrol]

I don’t want subraces.

[sullen dagger]

not from the lore perspective

[terse patrol]

I want them to get creative.

[tulip sun]

^^

[terse patrol]

Vulpera and Sethrak arent my thing, but they’re creative.

Er

Sethrak are my thing

Vulpera arent

[tulip sun]

A lot of people get what they dont want, dont get why not having gilgoblins and mightbane is special.

[terse patrol]

Gilgoblins are boring af anyways

[tropic trail]

to you

you dont speak for everyone

[terse patrol]

They’re dumber, fully aquatic goblins.

[tulip sun]

I have seen barely anyone ask for nightbane, and none for gilgoblin

They are also not ibvolved whatsoever with the atory.

Story

[tropic trail]

You dont go on youtube Im guessing

it was all over youtube

[terse patrol]

Still dumv.

Dumb

[tropic trail]

people talking about it when the first four BFA allied races were announced

night elf worgen

[terse patrol]

Demanding recolors over something like Sethrak

[tropic trail]

sethrak and vulpera are better suited as full races, if blizzard would put the work in their skeletons and animations

[tulip sun]

They dont go woth the story

With*

[tropic trail]

do DIDwarves play a big part in the story?

or Mag'Har orcs?

[terse patrol]

er

DID have been wanted since vanilla

[tulip sun]

They are involved with the saidnfactions at least....lol

[terse patrol]

Gilgoblins are a meme race added with Cataclysm for regular goblins to kill.

[tulip sun]

Cant say that about ypur two

[urban dew]

You do know why Blizzard is doing allied races instead of full races, right?

[tropic trail]

Yes

[tulip sun]

So no starting zones

[uncut vault]

Night elf Worgen should just be an option for normal Worgen

Choose between human and nelf form

[urban dew]

I mean, look at the three recent full races that were added

Goblins, Worgen, and Pandaren all had to be instanced away from the world in their own scenarios

[tulip sun]

More work and resources

[urban dew]

Exactly

[terse patrol]

yep

[uncut vault]

Werk werk

[tropic trail]

vulpera dont have to be a race then

they're not even that important

in the story

[terse patrol]

<_>

[tropic trail]

they just have fancy animations

[terse patrol]

“but muh worgens”

[tulip sun]

They play a decent part, lol

[urban dew]

Allied races are so much better in the regard that they can pump out new unique races without having to release them every xpac

[uncut vault]

They’re as important as the highmountain

[terse patrol]

I’m getting a petulant furry vibe here.

[urban dew]

And like it or not, Vulpera will become playable

[tropic trail]

you cant say that

[urban dew]

I can say that

[tropic trail]

was it confirmed?

[urban dew]

They have a whole bunch of evidence in their favor

[tropic trail]

But they werent confirmed

[urban dew]

Do you really think Blizzard would scrap all the careful work and detail they put into them less than 2 months from Xpac release?

[tropic trail]

why would sethrak even be alliance

[urban dew]

Do you know the story of Vol'dun?

[tropic trail]

A little

[urban dew]

Alright, let me explain it what's going on with Vulpera and Sethrak.

[uncut vault]

They have more evidence for going Alliance than highmountain or Lightforged did for their factions

It’s just more obvious for those

[tropic trail]

Legion allied races were halfassed tho

[tulip sun]

I am still sceptical for Sethrak. I like them, but they need a good reason.

[hollow dock]

oh hi birb

snitties

that's the reason

[tulip sun]

They live directly next to two horde aligned factions. They were just in a huge war.

[uncut vault]

🐍
🍊 🍊

[tulip sun]

Why would they declare war on their neighbors? I feel like development would need to happen beforehand

[tropic trail]

so why would they join alliance

a legit reason

[hollow dock]

I mean

[tropic trail]

and I dont want to hear "well void elves exi-"

[hollow dock]

the Lightforged literally

got out of a several thousand year war

they hop right back into our war

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic trail]

they're soldiers tho

[tulip sun]

They joined prewar tho

[tropic trail]

thats what they do

[hollow dock]

so are sethrak

[tulip sun]

This would be in the middle of it

[tropic trail]

sethrak dont even fit the alliance vibe

more of the horde vibe

[hollow dock]

your point? Leaving a war to join another isn't something new in this world

in which.

[uncut vault]

Connection to a peaceful wild god, Zandalari treating their land like a dumping ground, wyrmbane being happy to have them as allies in the future

[hollow dock]

Technically speaking

Even during Legion, the horde and alliance were at war

so that argument is kinda flat :p

[tulip sun]

They were arguably at peace of we go by blizz.

[hollow dock]

Not really? If they were

Why would Anduin ask for peace

LOL

[urban dew]

The Horde works closely with Vulpera and aids them throughout the Vol'dun story line. From them, you learn of the Faithless, the heretical group of Sethrak led by Korthek. Those Faithless enslaved, ate, just killing Vulpera. Through them, you meet Vorrik, the leader of the Devoted which is the good Sethrak. You learn later that Vorrik wants to reunite his people, which includes the remnants of the Faithless. The Vulpera aren't going to stand for that, which means with the Horde backing, they can put pressure on the Sethrak. Vorrik could then have no choice but turn to the Alliance, thus sending both races to their respective factions.

[tulip sun]

Ohhhh

[hollow dock]

Horde and Alliance were actively attacking each other during legion. They were in open war with each other.

[tulip sun]

That is somethinf indidbt think about Birbsnek

[tropic trail]

I hate to be such an asshole

but thats a shitty ass reason

[tulip sun]

Why?

[hollow dock]

that's called diplomacy

[tropic trail]

Im sorry but there are other allied races with more reasoning to join the alliance

people just consider that a good reason because they want sethrak

[urban dew]

How is it a shitty reason? He doesn't want any more of his people to die.

[hollow dock]

He just hates the idea of a monster race joining the alliance because he has this arbitrary idea of what the thematics are for each faction

that's it

[urban dew]

That's not a shitty reason.

[tropic trail]

Yeah and that's how it should be

[uncut vault]

There are, but that doesn’t mean literally “these guys will be great allies in the future” and trusting humans aren’t good signs

[tropic trail]

tbf worgen are monsters

[hollow dock]

Night elves are more monstrous than any of the other races. Baring Orcs and Undead tbh

[tropic trail]

literally called monsters

[urban dew]

Oh, so just because of appearances, Sethrak shouldn't even be anywhere near Alliance

Okay

Fair enough

[hollow dock]

that's all rys argues on Birb

[tropic trail]

Not only that

[urban dew]

Because that makes absolute sense

[tropic trail]

they dont play as big of a role

tiny ass role

NEW ALLIED RACE

[urban dew]

Oh my fucking god

[hollow dock]

Ignore the fact that they operate LIKE THE VULPERA DO FOR THE HORDE

[urban dew]

I'm seriously about to lose it here

Learn the fucking story or don't even bother arguing

[hollow dock]

The devoted Sethrak operate to the alliance like the Vulpera do to the horde.

IIRC

[sullen dagger]

^

[uncut vault]

Rys aren’t you the guy that wants vrykul

[tropic trail]

as a full race

[sullen dagger]

still i think they would want to do them as a full fledged race, not as an allied race

[hollow dock]

and Rys ignores the things that prove him wrong. :p

[sullen dagger]

thus, next xpac

[tropic trail]

Look I'd love to sit here

but my friend just got shit on

he's in the hospital

Ill talk later if you guys want to continue with this

[sullen dagger]

well, godspeed

[hollow dock]

unt he makes like a tree. and leafs. :p

[urban dew]

I don't want to continue it

[tulip sun]

Some blizz dev clearly stated they didnt want all ugly races joining horde amd vice versa

[urban dew]

God, that was really starting to piss me off

[tulip sun]

I feel like that was a large hint

[hollow dock]

Rys does that at times Birb

just remind yourself that snitties are a possibility

=3