hes more likely to heal than to attack someone
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
tropic trail
there's a whole thing about him learning how to use a sword though
terse patrol
lore characters arent bound to the class rules of players
dense plover
he is a priest though. he isnt bound to the restrictions, but he is a priest
terse patrol
doesnt fucking matter. He's a lore character.
dense plover
ofc
terse patrol
Alleria is classified as a hunter and a elven ranger.
dense plover
they dont have to ffollow game rrestrictions
grizzled sleet
So
With legion we lost Varian andd Vol'jin
With BFA we lose Teldrassil and Undercity
Varian = Teldrassil
Vol'jin = Undercity
dense plover
what?
grizzled sleet
grizzled sleet
tropic trail
Varian is a Human
Vol'jin is a Troll
Trolls are related to Night Elves
Also Humans = EK
Trolls = Kalim
grizzled sleet
Humm ya it makes sens 🤔
hollow dock
I think you are making connections that don't actually matter
grizzled sleet
urban dew
Let's just burn down all capitals
grizzled sleet
And make Gilneas great again !
grizzled sleet
tropic trail
Liam
grizzled sleet
is there any goddess or something similar to Elune that some races worship ?
hollow dock
If you're heretical
urban dew
There are Loa if that counts
grizzled sleet
I remember the tauren with something but it seems like it's elune herself
hollow dock
the Naaru are similar to Elune
grizzled sleet
The earliest of the tauren myths, the Mists of Dawn, recounts the creation of the world and the tauren race by a deity called the Earthmother.
urban dew
Titans are up there, aren't they?
tropic trail
but not the titans?
grizzled sleet
and this ? is it Elune with another name?
tropic trail
no one knows
grizzled sleet
ah
She created day and night by alternately opening and closing her right and left eyes, An'she (the sun), and Mu'sha (the moon), respectively. The shadow of her hands caused the Tauren, the Shu'halo, the Children of the Earth, to rise up from the soil. They swore to follow their creator until the end of the world
hollow dock
Elune is one of the few true deity's of Azeroth
grizzled sleet
Okay
hollow dock
Elune is believed to have created the Naaru
grizzled sleet
or an old god
hollow dock
She's neither
tropic trail
where does it say the naaru part
hollow dock
If you didn't pay attention to Legion, Khadgar comes up with this theory
and the Tear of Elune, a relic directly linked to her, is able to do what other Prime Naaru are able to do, which is unlock Xe'ra's core.
Another mention is that a grey item depicts Elune with other loa and Wild Gods.
grizzled sleet
Isn't tear of elune related to eonar ?
tropic trail
I mean
hollow dock
And?
tropic trail
I didnt play throughout legion all the way
I just started playing again earlier this year
grizzled sleet
I have to pay more attention too because I played these parts more than 8 times and still I didn't understand that
tropic trail
you have to hand it to her, she's passionate about her elune
hollow dock
It's an implication that Elune is connected to the Titans, but not a titan herself.
zealous basalt
What about skitties, and others, do people pray for dem?
tropic trail
How about the seamother or whatever her name is
lesser races pray to her
and she's not the old god
or the naga queen
hollow dock
As I said, Elune is one of the true deity's of Azeroth but she shares similar themes with that of Eonar and Azeroth themselves.
Which made me think of the theory that throughout mythology of Azeroth, Elune has been interchangeable.
urban dew
I just want to see Anzu again
zealous basalt
inter what
hollow dock
As the Dark Trolls met within the Well's facility, they were taught by 'Elune' but this better fits with Azeroth.
The Night Elves collect titan relics and label one that resembles their belief as that of Elune, even when it may correlate to Eonar.
Interchangeable.
When you can swap things in and out
tropic trail
tfw dwarves still dont know khazgoroth created them
hollow dock
they do though. o=
they know they came from the Earthen.
that's been revealed back in Cataclysm.
hollow dock
That's not really relevant? They know their origins and accept it
tropic trail
it'd be cool tho
zealous basalt
So, how do i get normal green gear at lvl 100+?
terse patrol
@tropic trail Khaz'Modan is literally named after Khaz'Goroth.
grizzled sleet
I would like to see Elune in BFA
meager warren
I think it was Elune or Cenarius
Maybe that one aspect who died in Valsharah. Can't remember her name
tropic trail
oh okay
grizzled sleet
The Dream is under the protection of the green Dragon Aspect, Ysera. After the titans had shaped Azeroth, they sent Ysera into an eternal trance and charged her with watching over all of Azeroth from the Dream.
meager warren
Oh. It was Ysera who died. Thanks
grizzled sleet
river olive
so i've heard that you can get to 120 without finishing all three zones. for horde, what zones are fastest at questing/leveling?
dense plover
its all about the same
also, you need to do all the quests to get flying and to get the rep needed for flight whistle
all the main quests
hollow dock
@tropic trail the one who created the Emerald Dream was Freya, a titan watcher that represents Eonar on Azeroth.
river olive
i've heard various people say there's one of the three zones that feels a bit slower, but i can't recall which one @dense plover. maybe they were mistaken
i plan on doing all the quests and rep, but for that initial come home from work early grind at 3pm PT 😛
dense plover
oh
zuldazar
not sure if its the fastest
but it has the best pacing
and is the most fun imo
for alliance, drustvar
tiragarde and stormsong are more spread out and pacing is similar to nazmir - a bit more chunky
nothing wrong with that
it fits those zones
tropic trail
is there a kodo model update anytime soon?
tropic trail
mounts included?
sharp bluff
A sad day for kodos everywhere
dense plover
armored ones might eventually get updated
its low priority
there are no new kodos
if there are, they will use the new model
tropic trail
I want the paladin kodos updated
grizzled sleet
I want everything to get updated
stark musk
Anyone know how to start Teldrassil scenario on beta?
grizzled sleet
so I can actually enjoy everything better
tropic trail
What do y'all think is the class closest to resembling GoT in BFA?
Besides Warriors
I want every mount to be updated tbh
remember this?
zinc sandal
royal sleet
Does the guldan mount become 1% on august 14th or in the pre-expansion patch?
hollow dock
I am not sure
river olive
servers just go down?
tropic trail
Are class halls still going to be relevant in BFA?
dense plover
yes
they sent out a thing
its just maintenance
no changes
they made a blue post about 50 min ago
theyre probably fixing some of the weird backend changes
tropic trail
Ben?
dense plover
like some of the ferry issues in tiragarde, some of the ping issues, etc
nothing noticable
forest tartan
bran i ment
tropic trail
oh ya
dense plover
theyll be back up in an hour
tropic trail
I mean, I know which classes the GoT characters would be, I'm just asking which class has kind of a Game of Thrones theme to it?
Benjen Death Knight btw
forest tartan
rogues can do lots of pirate mods. u could make Onion knights all day
forest tartan
huntter named dany only have lizzard pets
hollow dock
None of the classes in WoW really has a GoT feel for what you want in BFA
dense plover
^
tropic trail
Actually it is BFA peach
if you read my question
Ill copy and paste it here again
What do y'all think is the class closest to resembling GoT in BFA?
Besides Warriors
dense plover
none of the classes have huge changes tho
hollow dock
There aren't any to me
dense plover
so it isnt relevant
youre just sticking bfa onto the end
the classes are pretty much the same in general
tropic trail
why are you like this
dense plover
there are no huge shifts to the themes of the classes
tropic trail
I just want to find a new class for bfa is all, damn
dense plover
because you are in the wrong channel
its about beta and ptr spoilers and stuff
what class you want to play is none of those things
dense plover
there arent massive gameplay changes to the classes tho
there are lots of little c hanges
forest tartan
to bad void elves cant have red hair
hollow dock
Peach
he's not asking for classes
he's asking for what they are in BFA, which ones resemble some GoT stuff. Of which I answered now thrice, none
tropic trail
you said you dont watch game of thrones tho
dense plover
and again, none of them have changed enough in bfa to warrant that being in this channel vs the regular wow channel
dense plover
i do
hollow dock
It's basica fantasy
dense plover
and vris is still right
its medium fantasy
wow is high fantasy
very little overlap
tropic trail
Yes, and I just want to find a class closest to game of thrones
and game of thrones is high fantasy
dense plover
ok, but why does this not belong in #retail-wow
hollow dock
There are none rys
dense plover
like, if you just want to discuss got and wow, #retail-wow or #no-wow-discussion . this channel is specifically about beta and ptr and spoilers, which your question has nothing to do with other than tacking on bfa to the end
tropic trail
I understand there arent much changes
dense plover
we literally have chats for this
dense plover
then ask in the right channel
tropic trail
in time for BFA
This is the damn BFA channel though
talk about me pissing off everyone
damn
dense plover
the question you are asking doesnt have to do with bfa though. What class is most similar to GoT classes can be asked about legion. The answers wont change with bfa
tropic trail
anyways thanks grape
dense plover
why would the answer change with bfa?
tropic trail
are rogues good in BFA?
tropic trail
Okay but it does have to do with BFA. He recommends me make a rogue, however I dislike how rogues play out RN
would you say they are more fun in BFA?
tropic trail
So I shouldnt make a rogue
dense plover
if you dont like them now? no
tropic trail
Also guys Im sorry for causing drama here, truly am
but shit like this
I truly dont mean to cause drama
dense plover
you can move back and forth between channels though. you couldve figured out what class in #retail-wow and then come here to ask about changes to the class. thats the proper use of the different channels
youll get more answers to thematic and general questions in the main channel
and more hostility here
tropic trail
youre the only one being hostile tho
dense plover
since this is a more focused channel and most people come to this channel for specific content
hey
no name calling
and im not
i asked you to move, you said no, i explained why you should, you didnt like that
velvet heron
I dislike beta servers being down on friday night when i'm 3 gin tonics in. What's Gladiator's Sanctum, though? PVP only beta Realm ?
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
its a secret test realm
closed to testers
probably going to be used for extensive pvp testing soon
maybe the next build or the one after
also, its not friday night on the west coast
its the mid-afternoon, which is the best time for important fix maintenance
tropic trail
what are the new arcane changes?
dense plover
its no longer as reliant on rng
tropic trail
heard news about arcane mages being slightly better
dense plover
but it feels weak
and less impactful
also, UBER squishy
too squishy
they need a heal of some kind
badly
tropic trail
Still kick ass in terms of burst dps in PvP
dense plover
or a built in absorbance mechanic
tropic trail
Is their shield not enough?
velvet heron
Read Time Anomaly. "no longer reliant on rng" ;P
dense plover
i think if they made it so that using an arcane charge gave you a certain % of your health as an absorbance shield, it would fix a lot of the problems with survivability
its less reliant on rng
in legion it was entirely reliant and based on % mana remaining
it meant using and then regaining your mana over and over, which was fun, but could be frustrating in sustained fights
in sustained fights, arcane is much better now
but solo pve, theyre currently trash because theyre too squishy
their shield has a long cooldown
fire has a shield that lasts as long as the cooldown
and frost has lots of slows
so they can escape better
arcane has neither of these things
dense plover
they do
velvet heron
levelling my mage rn as arcane with TA. 4ac constantly, rarely oom. aggreed, frost is easier. but arcane is viable imo
dense plover
but in solo pve, without a healer, they die before being able to do good dmg
it is viable
it doesnt have mana issues, yes
but compared to fire or frost, its too squishy
it is easily the squishiest class right now
tropic trail
what about sublety
velvet heron
true. its not unviable, though. you could level to 120 no problem as arcane.
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic trail
In legion I die faster as sub than arcane
dense plover
i had more problems as arcane than fire
hollow dock
believe it or not, it's like 60/40 for how easy or hard a class is to level. 60 being playstyle, 40 being class mechanics
velvet heron
funny, i didnt. fire felt really squishy. but, granted, i didnt pull mor than 2-3mobs as arcane while i tend to mass pul as fire
dense plover
yeah fire definitely is weaker now
but if you pull one or two and move around a lot, fire is fun
i think my mistake with arcane was not trying with azerite gear
theres a heal and a shield from azerite
that could help
velvet heron
is that really that strong though? i never tried mass pulling with arcane bc i knew i didnt have the tools to handle it. you can easily 3-4 shot any quest mob with arcane. so, if you go the safe route, arcane is ok. if you wanna mass pull and throw fire at ALLTHE PLACES, fire will work.
frost is likely the best pick in my opinion now. for levelling/solo play, that is
tropic trail
I love the amount of AOE on frost
dense plover
i enjoy fire
the procs from heating up work really well with the azerite traits
its very fun
velvet heron
it really is fun! and i really enjoy it. but i have to sit down and eat after every mass pull with fire. i dont have to with frost.
so, fun? yes! efficient? i dont know
dense plover
thats a fair assessment
fire having a heal would be nice
out of combat only
it would speed up gameplay for sure
velvet heron
evocate-style. some fire barrier that need powering up
tropic trail
im glad the people in this channel dont piss me off
dense plover
i mean, they already have cauterize
tropic trail
may seem like it, honestly, but there are servers that are god awful that haunt me to this day
dense plover
adding a thing like - 'after 10 seconds out of combat, you heal 200% faster'
maybe 20 seconds, idk
it would fix so much
velvet heron
yeah, any kind of defensive would help a lot. heal/barrier/anything.
that also means that fire will probably be the go-to spec for soloing two raiding tiers later 😉
dense plover
i mean, fire has a barrier
it works
and theres a talent to add a barrier after blinking
but eventually you lose all of your health
dense plover
i liked legion arcane
tropic trail
I main arcane
though I find frost much easier
its not that its hard
its a little harder
its just boring IMO
Arcane Orb makes it feel a little better
dense plover
i like it - it has a pattern
use stuff, build up charges, use charges, occassionally missiles, regen mana, repeat
tropic trail
building up charges is fun
but compared to frost bolt and fire blast
fireball?
Arcane blast doesnt really feel satisfying
also there is no fight im in where I get close to losing mana
I either get too low and have to leave
or they kill it before I can do anything
maybe Im doing the wrong rotation?
dense plover
no, blast hasnt felt satisfying, thats fair
but it has arcane missilies
which did feel satisfying
arcane honestly felt the most different from the two other specs
it feels a bit more simi;ar now
tropic trail
I would talk about lore in #retail-wow
it just doesnt feel right though
since there are totally different discussions there
while most of the lore discussions are here
and there isnt a lore channel
dense plover
lore always goes here
the mods have essentially said this is the unofficial lore channel
tropic trail
Why wasn't the priest hall somewhere like the temple of elune?
Netherlight Crucible make sense, I guess
but having priestesses of elune
and undead priests there
just doesnt feel right
sullen dagger
whaddap guyse
dense plover
its a place away from the rules of azeroth
its where priests can be priests, regardless of faction
chrome compass
^
dense plover
i thought it was in the twisting nether or something
tropic trail
yeah it is
chrome compass
Yea it is
tropic trail
Priest vibe for me has always been similar to the paladins
but y'know
the other class halls, for me, are spot on with their themes
dense plover
tropic trail
but priest just seems out of place
chrome compass
But since I only ever went there on my paladin until recently. I thought it was on Draenor or something.
dense plover
but yeah
its about priests and the light
as long as your follow the light, you are welcome in the temple
tropic trail
i understand the temple of elune might've been weird tbh
but it gives off a priest vibe
IMO
while the temple just gives off a draenei vibe
tropic trail
also it could've been the fourth zone in broken isles to have a class hall
tropic trail
ya I get that
dense plover
where of, everyone who follows the light does not call the light elune
for tauren it is ahune
for others its different as well
its complex
tropic trail
I get that everyone follows different things
but naaru are kind of above all
but why did it have to be a draenei vibe
it could've still been naaru related without the draenei architecture
atleast the paladin class hall isnt a draenei ship
dense plover
because thats its lore
it was a prison for a fallen naaru
the naaru was saved
netherlight temple
thats why saara is there
hollow dock
oh?
jade basalt
In the museum thingy.
They witnessed his fighting Sargeras. And by fighting I mean barely scratching but it's still impressive apparently.
frozen dust
Oooooh
tropic trail
Good
grizzled sleet
tropic trail
neat idol
Anyone know when lfr or raid will be open?
hollow dock
three weeks after launch, Uldir norm/heroic opens
zealous basalt
what the fuck?
Three weeks?
Isn't that...not a lot of time?
I mean, I know there will be nerds that will be 120 in few time and equipped to Uldir but still...
clever ember
LFR probably won’t open for at lleast ast a week or two after. Normal/heroic and it’ll just be a wing here, a wing there.
That’s what they did with legion raids. Normal/heroic came out first and LFR came out a week or two after.
They’ll probably be on the calendar too, like the legion LFRs were.
hollow dock
to be fair mak
waiting more than a month
is a pain
for us raiders
cuz we're set up like 2 weeks in to go and clear normal
zealous basalt
You can't talk nnothing about waiting anymore
hollow dock
uh
zealous basalt
You waited 6 or more months without content in wod
zealous basalt
well 2 bad
hollow dock
I left two weeks after 6.2 dropped cuz I was done
zealous basalt
besides, there are a lots of things to do
can't believe you will clear everything in bfa in less than 3 weeks
hollow dock
None of which give me gear better than M+
hollow dock
I dont pvp so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I'll get my main geared
go play an alt if I have the WoW time still
come back when there's content for me to play
the same ol' cycle
zealous basalt
For having a lots of things to do in this expac...
Some raiders have a sad way to play
hollow dock
It's sad to you
For us, we aren't interested in that content
it's OK to not be interested in all forms of content.
A shocking revelation I know :p
hollow dock
You don't approve. that's also fine. that's what makes us human after all.
zealous basalt
I am going to try and take my time to enjoy all the quests on my main alliance and then main horde, get them to some acceptable ilvl and then try to raid uldir when it is fresh content
I mean, got two ahead of the curves dis expac so
mint arch
im too lazy to level and gear my druid despite wanting the mage tower appearances for it ;_;
zealous basalt
don't druids have it easier?
mint arch
i think so, ya
uncut vault
3 weeks is what EN got too, and there were no prep problems there
might have been because the raid was too easy but
still, it worked
most raiders will be doing mythics day one or two
hollow dock
^
dense plover
yes
zealous basalt
More late
dense plover
if you did lfr, it felt like forever
zealous basalt
I don't do LFR raids
zealous basalt
Probably due school
dense plover
^
zealous basalt
I usually get raiding in day one or two
With Argus i raided non-stop until i got the kill
uncut vault
well, based on the calendar, wait for LFR wont be as agonizingly long
come out every week for Uldir
terse patrol
Think the prepatch may hit on the 12th
Since that’s around when the Armory is being taken down
uncut vault
I mean july 12th is a thursday
probably going to be the 17th as speculated, since its after both the new systems stuff and RIP armory
terse patrol
maybe
tropic trail
you consider that sad?
You should see goldshire pvpers
literally just get geared to sit in goldshire all day
grizzled sleet
Prepatch can't start if the prepatch event on PTR is not yet over
tropic trail
nothing else
terse patrol
i think they’re going to unveil the new wow mobile app
hollow dock
^
grizzled sleet
No, we're getting an Armory mount in BFA for 10M gold
tropic trail
finally the audio fixed :-D
So it looks like WoW finally put the full wallpaper on twitter
from the free weekend deal
however, it's kind of blurry
any idea how to fix this?
uncut vault
twitter will always compress images
tropic trail
Damn
That's the only place where I can find the full wallpaper too
Okay nevermind, it's not the image
It becomes blurry when I set it as my desktop wallpaper
tropic trail
just realized that still isnt the full image
dense plover
its definitely being made into a full app
they literally said they are converting the legion companion app into a full wow companion app
also, prepatch has to release on a tuesday
we never get prepatches outside of tuesday
tropic trail
if y'all ever find the full image please HMU
Oh and btw, when are Zandalari Trolls becoming playable?
and Kul Tirans too
uncut vault
8.1
uncut vault
Longer than legions, so a few months after launch
tropic trail
Well, at least I have enough time to work on my other characters.
dense plover
Apparently, it is always a full moon at night in Drustvar. This is what I saw when looking straight up. Its very pretty, yet eerie
viscid bobcat
Cool!
bold bough
any idea how the hell I do [The warchief awaits] quest?
it says to talk to Sylvanas in Undercity
but I cant get there because the Sewers is blocked?
meager warren
what
bold bough
yeah I had to talk to Zidormi to go back in time so I can use the Sewers but that doesnt make sense
meager warren
there's another way in, you know
bold bough
i dont know thats why im asking
grizzled sleet
You did the lordaeron scenario before?
bold bough
yes
grizzled sleet
That's why
meager warren
look for the front gate
grizzled sleet
The teldrassil events are supposed to take place before Lordaeron events
meager warren
report it
grizzled sleet
yea lordaeron was tested first, then teldrassil, but on live Teldrassil will happen first
meager warren
👌
bold bough
Makes sense @grizzled sleet because im pretty sure saurfang was in Stormwind and now hes in northern barrens 😄
grizzled sleet
feral belfry
So how is the leveling combat like in bga? is it like legion feeling like a hero hardly any deaths unless you fight something stupid or do stupid or is blizzard again making leveling hard and 1000000hp?
I know blizzard keeps changing this in each expansion sadly.
grizzled sleet
I think it depends on your class / spec
For example as a Druid tank I can pull as many moobs as I can and aoe them
As a mage I can't pull too much otherwise I die
But I remember dying to a rare elite mob when I pulled him along with many other little mobs with my druid
But it's similar to legion I suppose
grizzled sleet
@vernal surge https://wow.gamepedia.com/g00/Gnaws'_Boneyard?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmZyLw%3D%3D&i10c.ua=1&i10c.dv=14
untold fractal
anyone else have problems with the quest On the Prowl on the ptr?
vernal surge
THANKS TO MIMIG ❤
bold bough
@feral belfry levelling as Havoc atm and I never go below 70% hp
with green gear
I assume it would be even easier with legion gear
untold fractal
Im really kind of enjoying the stat squish on the ptr. as a mage im having to actually sit and eat food to regen health after a few kills
uncut vault
lsand expeditions might not be a bad way to level
very quick, give like a sixth of a level each
untold fractal
Anyone notice a change in the Phoenix Flame Animation on the PTR? it used to fly from one mob to the next. It doesnt appear to do that on the PTR
uncut vault
thats not an animation change, its because the trait is no longer there
untold fractal
its a talent now
uncut vault
theres a golden trait that makes it not only splash, but bounce to other targets
now it just hits one target and does its single aoe
untold fractal
oh I see nvm
uncut vault
my hope is that theyll make phoenix flames baseline (since its required for burst rotation) and make the talent into giving us the bounce and stat buffs
untold fractal
I hope so as well.
uncut vault
makes the tier into an actual choice between buffing your guaranteed crits
instead of two that buff your guaranteed, vs three more guaranteed
untold fractal
So Horde is just now a rep in BfA
uncut vault
horde and alliance have always been reps
untold fractal
huh. look at that, learn something new every day
urban dew
Are Warfronts pretty good as well?
uncut vault
gives rep to all of the vanilla base factions, same way alliance and horde expedition give rep with all the wrath factions
yeah, not nearly as repeatable, but that's why theyre not constant
urban dew
Cool
uncut vault
theyre more like a raid, but with a new format
urban dew
Now all I gotta pray for is a ton of allied races
uncut vault
you do em once every week or so
untold fractal
Im not really looking forward to warfronts. I like the idea of areas changing hands of control. but like Im not a huge fan of the idea of gathering and contributing resources... seems to much like a chore to me... thats why legionfall supplies was about the most laziest idea ever to me
uncut vault
I mean this one actually requires strategy
its not just "these resources are only used for this"
theyre actual profession things, your specific contributions matter, and its a matter of choosing between warfront vs profession
untold fractal
well I suppose my ideas about the concept might change when I experience it, im just not that siked about it
urban dew
Hoping Arakkoa and Ogres make it as an allied race
uncut vault
it does, she's floating with all the shadow floating around her, shes dispersing wisps to allow troops to pass through
strange falcon
alliance
steady crow
For the Horde!
urban dew
Bah, who cares for these petty faction squabbles. The Old Gods shall show you pitiful mortals your place!
for the dark lady 
shy elbow
grizzled sleet
For Illidan
tropic trail
So... What's the likelihood of people actually needing gems this expansion?
hollow dock
The same as this expansion I'd wager
zealous basalt
I miss three gems on stuff
tropic trail
The bad thing is, gems were useless in this expac
No one bought them. No one needed them.
So here I am with my jewelcrafting just standing with my bank full of gems not knowing wtf to do
viscid bobcat
I mean I bought them... did people really not buy them?
hollow dock
I used em for when I got my socket procs
viscid bobcat
yea same
frosty matrix
yeah, my guild always had spares in the bank, and we were always running low
and i always gemmed any gear i got that had sockets, so
plucky urchin
Is there a way to play ptr with the free weekend? Because I dont see an option
hollow dock
You have to create a PTR account to play on the PTR
PTR doesn't require any WoW time to play.
tropic trail
Hm, must just be my server then. Because literally no one needs gems.
hollow dock
How populated is the server? o=
tropic trail
Eh, last time I checked it was about 5-6 thousand
Not highly populated, but still a populace there
hollow dock
I take it a lot of guilds are on that server then
which means self-upkeep on that stuff. As I get most, if not all, of my gems from my guild. =/
tropic trail
Bad thing is, I'm the only JC in my guild which is out 600 people right there
sullen dagger
jc is super useful if you do m+ / raiding
verbal badger
that;s a fat guild
sullen dagger
dont know about pvp
frozen dust
I should learn how to do professions
tropic trail
after watching a bunch of fantasy movies n' shit
im proud sylvanas is warchief of the horde
hollow dock
If you enjoy being the baddie. /sheug
tropic trail
its not like she's voldemort tho
arthas is like the bad guy
she's just a "morally grey?" character
frozen dust
"Oh my God Anduin you can't just ask her why she doesn't have a nose"
tropic trail
If you want to believe she's pure evil, go ahead.
tranquil steeple
Still think the quote "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" is fitting for Sylvanas, and to an extent.. Garrosh.
frosty matrix
Her "good intentions" are to make everyone undead and to make herself immortal, to the extent of using the lantern to compel Eyir to gain control of the val'kyr
Them's...not s'good
tranquil steeple
An often forgotten thing about bad & good is that it's subjective to each person's view.
frosty matrix
Especially since she forces it on people, and if she gets a whiff of Forsaken like the Desolate Council who just want a peaceful death, she disregards them or has them killed for "betraying" her
tranquil steeple
It's like the Alliance wanting the Horde dismantled; to them that's good intentions. But to the Horde it isn't.
frosty matrix
Good and bad aside, I think it's at least self-evident that Sylvanas is really goddamn selfish. She wants to be immortal, she wants everyone to be Forsaken and shit like that. Even if that's not inherently bad, she's using some really fucked up means to reach her own ends.
tropic trail
how to start an argument 101
tawdry haven
Was chasing a horde assassin with a few others, a warlock when he suddenly flew into the sky. We found him again, and he flew off instantly - what is this toy?
tropic trail
Personally, I just dont feel Sylvanas was made for the villain role
I can see why her turning good outta nowhere seems "out of character"
but she doesn't seem like one of the people to go down that villain road, like garrosh
frozen dust
Neither was Garrosh until they needed him to be
frosty matrix
She's not quite at Garrosh's level, but she's basically turning into Dick Dastardly and twirling her mustache and snickering evilly
tawdry haven
https://i.gyazo.com/2d264c4dbe3ef4452805b36015fe8fb2.mp4
guy just cheating or what? flies off into the sky, blinks around, respawns instantly
uncut vault
According to them he was, some devs just went the wrong route in Cata
tropic trail
Yeah but I would've gues- well I did guess if Garrosh would be evil
That whole fight thing in WotLK
just had me thinking, y'know?
zealous basalt
It doesn't look like forced, with sylvanas you know
They have done her well
Unlike garrosh
tropic trail
shit person but not the villain
uncut vault
In fact, Sylvanas probably will be a snape
tropic trail
thats what im saying
but people here respond to stuff like that saying
"it's out of character"
tranquil steeple
can't accept horde not being evil
tranquil steeple
"can't accept horde being evil" implies people most often paint the horde as good
rich apex
The Horde is completely evil in BFA
strange falcon
🤔
rich apex
That's why the Horde is working with Zul, the mad conqueror
Instead of Talanji, the level headed reformist-
oh wait
strange falcon
OH WAIT
rich apex
That's also why the Horde is ignoring the plight of the vulpera's enslavement in Voldun because there's no military reason to help them-
oh wait
zealous basalt
Me not get the waits
rich apex
The actual Horde storyline of Zuldazar
Is the same exact heroics the Horde PC has been doing for the last 10 year
Everyone cries about the Horde suddenly being evil, except...they aren't
(Except for Sylvanas, maybe)
tropic trail
Morally grey
Morally grey characters are popular throughout fantasy movies
snape is morally grey
ruby star
supposedly Uthers tomb now has a door which leads to the unknown (locked), Any theorys on what is below?
zealous basalt
Probably it leads to the tomb itself?
rich apex
hollow dock
Not really. Every single aspect of his story got explained with his love of Lilly.
tropic trail
first movie doesnt explain that lol
rich apex
And now we're going to get back into the debate of how good Snape is for being an asshole to children for years on end 😛
hollow dock
Everything he did to Harry was for Lilly though
rich apex
At least this is a fandom I have no investment in
tropic trail
at least snape isnt lucius malfoy
hollow dock
Anyways. Sylvanas doesnt have something like Snape does.
Sylvanas' lilly is Nathanos so that kinda dies off
hollow dock
Rys
tropic trail
Vris
hollow dock
Nathanos is still there
zealous basalt
What if Koltira is sylvanas' lily
hollow dock
That makes 0 sense
She kidnaps him and tortures him because he was willing to not kill Alliance.
zealous basalt
That something that I'm troubled
tropic trail
What pisses me off is not that sylvanas is kind of evil, what pisses me off is that everyone is so quick to assume that she will turn out truly mad
because of shit like what anduin says
zealous basalt
Does she know that we released him?
hollow dock
She's paranoid as fuck and started a world war over a what if scenario Rys
Yes theres plenty ground to say
tropic trail
Okay but the story isnt over
hollow dock
Shes crazy
tropic trail
you cant say she's the bad type of crazy
hollow dock
UH
tropic trail
because, for all we know, it could be something else
tropic trail
I'll occasionally come here
hollow dock
Its spelt out for us
She wants to slaughter everyone in the alliance. She wants to wipe them out over this fevered idea that Anduin is going to try that first.
zealous basalt
Anduin
hollow dock
Yes. She is the bad kind of crazy.
tropic trail
There's a reason for Sylvanas seeming bad as there is a reason for anduin seeming so pure
hollow dock
^
rich apex
She can only presume that the Alliance will do to her, what she would do if she was High Queen
Which is crush her enemies at the first opprotunity
hollow dock
Which yes. Is crazy as she absolutely disregards all prior knowledge.
rich apex
And, you know, there is Genn and Rogers sitting there in positions of authority
tropic trail
Okay well when something does happen and sylvanas turns out to not be so evil as you expected, I dont wanna hear y'all claim that's "bad writing"
rich apex
Even Falstad in the book is all 'we could nuke Horde cities with this azerite stuff'
hollow dock
Its actually thanks to Sylvanas that Genn doesnt want to wipe them out
rich apex
Oh she's not -right- by any means
But it's not as if every Alliance member shares Anduin's peace and love
hollow dock
Nothing will change her evil view of 'i wanna wipe out all of the living'
Outside of crafting a plague that turns people into undead, sges a regular Lich queen
tropic trail
still tried to take it
zealous basalt
And paid the consequences
zealous basalt
Gdi honkerton
terse patrol
rich apex
bUT insert minor thing here rUInEd tHE loRE
tropic trail
anyways, Im going to keep half my characters alliance and faction change the other half that isnt already horde
for BFA
hollow dock
Rys you keep flopping about like a pancake
tropic trail
Not really
I was planning on faction changing most of my characters horde
then planning to only make my mage horde
and thats it
I only have like 3 max level ally
and 2 max level horde
hollow dock
Thats flip flopping. First youre horde and all in on it
Then youre like 'well Im now alliance and not going all horde. Just 1.'
And now youre 'Ima do half'
meager warren
Vris, you can try blocking him
hollow dock
I tried. I cant be angry at hime for long.
crystal forum
What's wrong with liking both factions. I have 5max alliance and 3 max horde and I plan to switch my Druid and hunter to horde but my rogue to alliance and level a couple of the allied races. For the insert both factions
tropic trail
im still doing 1
thats half
It's still flopping around like a dying fish
I was going to put most of my characters horde but then I realized how much a faction change is
I guess I should've been a little more clear then
I have 3 max level Alliance toons and 2 max level Horde.
I was planning to faction change 2 of my alliance toons on Horde and keep 1 on Ally but figured that was too much and only decided to faction change my Mage.
which is around half
I wouldnt really call that flipflopping
my bad for not being clear tho
It should be half when I eventually level up my lvl 90 human pally
sour burrow
Alliance version is up for Pre-Teldrassil.
Also, can confirm that there's no rep bags yet for exalted factions in BfA
tulip sun
Garona's new text is interesting
People screaming bloody murder though.
I like it
Dont get how this makes anyone evil.
hollow dock
I mean
Kham
The evil spouting was before that text was in
Ya know. When all we heard was 'im excited to kill another king'
tulip sun
No, people are claiming this conscripting means 100% garrosh 2.0 how does this point to that specifically?
Conscripting in itself is not really evil
hollow dock
Conscripting normally is just a nice way of saying forced.
And there hasnt been any conscripting in our history thats seen as good
So
Garrosh did the same. Sylvanas has already pointed out, shes doing what Garrosh did, shes just not letting anyone know to much. Unlike Garrosh
tulip sun
I mean, still not that bad...pretty much just drafting, they need soldiers.
And you know what i mean, raid boss
tropic trail
Yeah, killing Franz Ferdinand wasn't good. I doubt this could be any better
tulip sun
Did i miss something? O.o
tropic trail
Was playing off of "And there hasnt been any conscripting in our history thats seen as good"
tropic trail
Pfft.
tulip sun
tropic trail
idk if i wanna stay horde lmao
hollow dock
This is why I never went horde to start. They came into Warcraft the bad guys. Its just who they are. 🤷
lone marten
hollow dock
I have a sense of morality. 🤷 I let it bleed into my gameplay.
tropic trail
if you want to play night elves like everybody else, I dont judge
hollow dock
Only time I enjoy being the bad guy really is on my own terms. Otherwise I just feel like an assholes for no reason, ya know?
tropic trail
Mhm but it's just a game
hollow dock
As I said. I let my moral compass bleed into the game I play when the story isn't in my control. Since I immerse myself
hollow dock
So you say. That just tells me what I already know: Hordes full of assholes
sullen dagger
^
tropic trail
most of the assholes are blood elves tbh
sullen dagger
alliance aswell, but less so
nah i rememember a copule of a-hole undead rogues
Dejavù & Dejavú
they sapped you to death
tropic trail
At least it's in character for the horde to act like assholes
sullen dagger
then blind, then they will kidney shot and then vanish
tropic trail
except tauren
tropic trail
I mean just because you kind of like playing as the bad guys
doesnt make you an automatic asshole
hollow dock
Rys, you wanted to make the assumption that people on the horde are like me. They immerse themselves and let their moral compass bleed in.
If what Sylvie and all is doing is perfectly fine by them, then yea. They're assholes.
tropic trail
tauren arent assholes
tauren roleplayers arent assholes
tauren players who "immerse" theirselves into world of warcraft arent assholes
or at least not all of em
sullen dagger
do we have to have this discussion again man?
sullen dagger
you make a broad assumption p.e "horde players aint assholes"
then you nitpick, eh, but tauren arent bad
tropic trail
want me to nitpick which alliance races are assholes?
sullen dagger
dude, the majority of the horde likes to be in the "morally grey" side of the balance
more to the black than the white
tropic trail
morally grey isnt evil/assholish
morally grey means you do dark stuff but you have good intentions
sullen dagger
yes, tauren way of living is kinda like the hippies of the 70's
but that doesent mean that orcs? -> corrupted by fel / trolls? -> following old spirits blindly / undead? -> sylvannas. / tauren are the okay-ish race / goblins are blind by greed / blood elves -> the lore is nice, players not so much
yes, on the alliance there are naarus and light shit which can be said that there's no Good with capital G
and it's light, but afaik, theres a lot less of conflicts started by the alliance
tropic trail
blood elves are also corrupted by the fel
well probably not corrupted
but they use it
sullen dagger
not anymore
tropic trail
used
bringing up the orc history
I mean its not who they are now but if you want to play like that
I might as well bring up the night elf history
tropic trail
azshara brought the legion into the world, hello?
hollow dock
1 horrible thing they did. Great.
Guess what
Legion was coming regardless of azshara
tropic trail
Well most people see her as an asshole for doing it
hollow dock
She is
tropic trail
dont try to shittalk orcs and not expect to get shit for azshara's mess
hollow dock
But none of this
Contests
Your words
Your own words
"There are people like you. Its what makes the horde special"
If you did not wish to use my morality/immersion as an example for the horde
You shouldn't make those comparisons
tropic trail
there are people who see like you, who want to be the good guys
that makes the horde special because not everyone is ok with being the "bad guys"
hollow dock
Should have made that clarification earlier to avoid this then :P
strange falcon
dropping this here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421118530419949568/460185236827799562/sethrakreddit.png
from reddit ^
tropic trail
your fault for not understanding what I meant
dense plover
its not someone else;s fault when they dont understand
it is always on the writer to accurately eexplain what they mean, not the readerr
tropic trail
well people dont see it that way in real life, in open discussions
dense plover
talking is not reading
literally in reading the brunt of explaining the meaning is on the writer
tropic trail
oh well
sour burrow
@dense plover You can't fix willfully stupid people, and there's no way to explain things in a perfect way. You can literally say "There is a female model, here it is, here's how it is different" and they'll say "there iz no female model, yur stuped"
tropic trail
ya im sorry for arguing
It's just a bad habit of mine to cause drama
Ill try not to call y'all names either, I can see why you guys dont like it.
I wouldn't want the same being said about me lol
hollow bridge
It's okay.
sullen dagger
no hard feelings