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terse patrol Jun 20, 2018, 3:24 PM

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ogres are canonically tauren sized

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they just make them bigger to make them easily recognizable as mobs

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@hollow dock

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 3:25 PM

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alright there ya go

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 3:26 PM

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except vrykul are massive

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 3:27 PM

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So are Zandalari

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 3:27 PM

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and they'd be the first half playable races

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Zandalari are like tauren size, right?

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Zandalari are supposed to be tallest races on Azeroth

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Trolls, the darkspear, when unhunched are far taller than tauren

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and Zandalari are taller than them

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 3:28 PM

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to be fair tauren are also supposed to be massive

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 3:28 PM

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and they are.

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 3:28 PM

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at least bigger than they are in game

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Eh not by much.

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The world is properly scaled, it's just that zandalari are having to be scaled down

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for logistical reasons

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Either way I'd accept vrykul and ogres with open arms

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 3:29 PM

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same.

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 3:29 PM

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both share similarities with eachother

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Both can be said to be the "OG" races (even though there are plenty that came before them)

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and they both are ancestors of counterpart

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like vrykul and humans

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orcs and ogres

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both are giant

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thats all the similarities I can think of

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 3:38 PM

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What's up now

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Somehow it's always you, peach, vris and someone else that is always arguimg

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And omake

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Arent humans mutated vrykul

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 3:40 PM

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We aren't arguing lol

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us discussing isn't an argument.

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and Humans are devolved humans through the Curse of Flesh

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much like how Orcs are devolved Ogres

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 3:51 PM

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we werent arguing though dummy

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Ah

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Can't wait to make my Zandalari Troll

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Zandalar Forever!

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Curse of flesh? Were vrykuls not fleshy?

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Not always. They were first the Iron Vrykul (stormborn is another name for them) up in Ulduar.

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Yogg-saron concocted a Curse that would allow the titans creations to be better influenced by the old gods byt making them mortal rather than machine

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the Curse continued to degrade the machines into the Gnomes, Dwarves and Vrykul we see today. The Vrykul, however, continued to degrade into the humans we see and know of today.

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

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^

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there were some fleshy races to start tho

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trolls and tauren come to mind

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trolls became elves with the power of the well of eternity

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Just noticed the barbershop hairstyles are in the character creation screens now

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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Yup

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 7:21 PM

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I was wondering why fem draenei had ugly hairstyles all of the sudden

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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rolls eyes

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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just look at this

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zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 7:26 PM

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...

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What the fuck is that glitch

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 7:27 PM

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it's a helmet hair glitch

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 7:29 PM

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glitch?

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 7:37 PM

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It’s a buzz cut!

neat idol Jun 20, 2018, 8:31 PM

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Hello guys. The new changes to Arcane made it a bit better or still shit?

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 8:32 PM

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ehhhh

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its better

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not amazing

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but better

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also, apparently warfronts currently have no reward

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i wonder what they will have as a reward eventually

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i imagine the warfront armor is some of it probably

neat idol Jun 20, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Prob, and weapons

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Still, I though it was more pvp

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but pvp talents aren't activated

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so its just some kind of pve

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also, if you aren't organized, it can take you more than 1 hour to cpmplete it

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Oh god, when they changed Evocation cd?

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Why did they change X?
Because blizzard thought that X was over/under powered, and needed to be changed.

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 8:44 PM

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warfronts are 100% pve

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they were advertised as pve

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Don’t they have both pve and pvp versions? Or did I misread that?

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I can’t wait to see the AI they designed for the pve ones. I hear they tried to make them act like players

neat idol Jun 20, 2018, 8:46 PM

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I think that was for Expeditions, not Warfronts

mint holly Jun 20, 2018, 8:46 PM

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are expeditions 120 only or any level?

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Ah, probably

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 8:48 PM

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expeditions for the first time through require you to be level 115, but once unlocked, they can be done starting at 110

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expeditions can be done on normal, heroic, mythic, and pvp difficulties

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warfronts are only pve and have no difficulty options

mint holly Jun 20, 2018, 8:57 PM

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ok, my warlock should be good to go then.. just didn't know what level or how to queue up

neat idol Jun 20, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Are expeditions worth for ap?

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:01 PM

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thats their main point

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every week if you run 6 of them you get a big bonus

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Oof

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:02 PM

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plus they give ap each, and gear sometimes, plus some pets and mounts

neat idol Jun 20, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Yeah, but last weeks wqs where worthy than expeditions

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:02 PM

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its an alternate set of content

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not to mention that you get ap for eacch expedition

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and its a totally different type of gameplay

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 9:03 PM

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What is the difference

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Betwen mythic and pvp

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:03 PM

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pvp is actual players

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mythic is new ai

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technically all of them use new ai

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but theyre kind of dumb on normal and still sort of dumb on heroic

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on mythic theyre as difficult as players

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 9:05 PM

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So basically

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If you succ with mythic

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You succ with pvp

simple robin Jun 20, 2018, 9:06 PM

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They only put the new AI in for mythic?

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lame

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:07 PM

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what?

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no?

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mythic is ai

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you can eventually learn the patterns

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no

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literally read uber

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new ai is on all of them

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its just only fully activated on mythic

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 9:07 PM

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So

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If I make my burst

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:07 PM

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because otherwise the two other difficulties would be just as difficult

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 9:08 PM

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They can learn and know when to interrupt me?

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:08 PM

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no

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they arent machine learning

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they just have more developed ai

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they will interrupt interruptable skills

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they will attempt to move out of aoe stuff

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etc

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Ah

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Inb4 that ai in raids and dungeons

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:09 PM

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it isnt currently

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this is a trial run to see how it works

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and if it works they said they might apply it to other npcs

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such as bodyguards

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or pets

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Hopefully casuals wont cry

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:09 PM

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i doubt it?

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theres 3 difficulties

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normal is still fun

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 9:10 PM

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I want dark souls difficulty in wow

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:11 PM

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wont ever happen

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Good morning, Krusty Krew!

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:11 PM

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its an mmo

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also, mage tower is the closest you will get

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 9:13 PM

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dark souls isn't even difficult

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it's just timing

dense plover Jun 20, 2018, 9:14 PM

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which isnt something thats as feasible in an online game

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any mmo that punishes you for a slightly higher ping would be trash

neat idol Jun 20, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Do you guys now best mage talents for each spec?

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 9:21 PM

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lol, dark souls is a difficult game

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timing is what u use to beat it

urban dew Jun 20, 2018, 9:22 PM

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Eh, depends on how you play it

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But I'd rather move to off topic if we're talking about DS

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 9:23 PM

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@neat idol At the moment there is no best spec. Number tuning has started. Check back when that's finished

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 9:23 PM

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^

neat idol Jun 20, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Oh, I didn't mean best specx

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Just best talents for each

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Oh right misread on my part

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my bad.

neat idol Jun 20, 2018, 9:24 PM

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so I can try all of them

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Yea! Even if there was a 'best talent' for each

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unless you're pushing +20s or mythic raiding

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you shouldn't really care and just play what you want

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 9:25 PM

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Im glad pathfinders are difficult

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the zones arent mean to just be skipped over

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 9:26 PM

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I too am glad they have you exploring the zones and am very happy that we can come to a middle ground with the work they put in to our need to skip over everything

rich apex Jun 20, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Difficult is overstating it

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 9:30 PM

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im happy most of blizzard are horde

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actually i dont know

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they love horde more though so Im guessing they play horde

rich apex Jun 20, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Mage tower is difficult, rep grinds are just time consuming :p

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 9:35 PM

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thats difficult

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because not everyone has all the time in the world

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for that type of stuff

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also wardens rep grind

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 9:39 PM

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I really wouldn't call it difficult as well.

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Since it's just time consuming.

zealous basalt Jun 20, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Dark souls is a game for the whole family

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 10:12 PM

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How would they end an expansion like this? Even in vanilla wow they turned to ending the expansion killing dragons and old gods. They can't really favor the horde or alliance. Only thing that could really happen is both sides have a big loss

sour burrow Jun 20, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Continent portal markers.

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tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 10:18 PM

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to be honest I like faction favoritism

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as long as they change it up every now and then

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and I dont mean one faction gets more content than the other... that sucks

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I mean like one side is winning the war while the other is struggling

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instead of it being constantly even throughout the whole war until something eventually breaks it up

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and by that I also mean Im happy with one side losing the war

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so say if horde loses the war, i'd be okay with that, as long as horde eventually gets some type of victory against the alliance in the future

terse patrol Jun 20, 2018, 10:21 PM

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well, the horde is on top atm

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that might change in another patch

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:22 PM

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I wouldn't mind something like tha tRys

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if it wasn't forced

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 10:23 PM

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I dont know what you mean by forced

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forced like how they try to force women rights and gay rights into movies and games now days?

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Let's not drag real world issues into this.

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What I mean by forced is a leader or character purposefully doing something they wouldn't normally do just to continue the story

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 10:24 PM

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I dont know any other examples

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Oh right, okay

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:25 PM

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IE, Tyrande sending all of her military on boat to Silithus and leaving Darkshore so heavily undefended.

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Sylvanas NOT setting up blighted mine fields at the beach to kill the alliance and stop them from getting a foothold

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etc.

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when character actions, personalities, or even tools must be omitted to make a story, change the story around those things. Not the other way around. Ya know?

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 10:30 PM

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blizzard writers are so bad, the characters suffer :/

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sigh

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Yeah... I have some issues with such

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Desolate Council is a great idea!

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Killing half of them, the good half, ruined them in the same book

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The idea is amazing and then ruined before it could flourish in the game

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 10:35 PM

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With a single stroke, we will guarantee generations of peace.

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HAHAHAHAAH

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Anduin Wrynn will build powerful new weapons, and sooner or later he will turn them upon our homelands.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 10:35 PM

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I've seen games in which player actions during the game actually detailed what happened in the story

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:36 PM

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Like EVE

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imagine right if we could actually have progression

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where we are pushing the horde out of ashenvale

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or the hordes pushing us to teldrassil

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 10:36 PM

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Yeah, but eve is boring as hell, it's a game that plays itself

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:37 PM

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Well EVE's story, economy, everything but the races are player controlled. Even the map layout is entirely made by the player.

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proof of concept and all that

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 10:37 PM

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wow's world is static indeed

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 10:37 PM

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Of course

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 10:37 PM

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take in legion, the elune temple with the demons outside of it

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 10:37 PM

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Everything is decided from the start in wow

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 10:37 PM

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it would be awesome if post-legion, those demons are pushed back and defeated

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to show some result/progress of the story

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but nah

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:38 PM

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not even.

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Like imagine more things like uh.

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Ashran

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 10:38 PM

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ya, there are MANY examples

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:38 PM

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it's a massive pushing area that ends in a 'This side gets it' then the fighting starts again

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 10:38 PM

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blizzard need to put some work for post-expansion reflections in the world

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shit is so fcking static

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Well we can look at things like the vale of eternal blossoms. Nobody is going to see what it looked like again in game.

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But we don't see any progress of that healing like it should, because they're done with that expansion

mint arch Jun 20, 2018, 10:40 PM

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:<

frail mural Jun 20, 2018, 10:42 PM

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I guess a good way to do that sort of stuff is to do phases like blizzard has done before so it doesn't effect others leveling through. Though nobody likes phases outside of scenarios. They get in the way of multiplayer

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Blizzard doesn't like "Removing" things

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So that people cannot access old stuff

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After so many people complained after Cata

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:44 PM

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and then they immediately removed most of the Vale

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 10:44 PM

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They don't want to touch or change places and now it takes time

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:44 PM

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My idea I would rather it just be patch on patch basis

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and then whichever side ends up getting more wins

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that's how the story goes

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So like. Pre-patch you have all of Teldrassil and Lordaeron

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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But that takes time and effort

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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half of its cycle is teldrassil and whether or not the alliance loses or wins, they retaliate on the horde

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and then it continues from that

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 10:45 PM

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You think after the hassle they had before they want to track who was winning and make a dynamic story

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When they can feed what happens in a set story with their new senior writer and piss off more people?

hollow dock Jun 20, 2018, 10:48 PM

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Now granted, I do not under any circumstance assume that this would be easy, but they could set up another tracking system like they track everything else in this game.

bronze holly Jun 20, 2018, 10:59 PM

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Hmmmm so is blizzard tying professions recipe ranks to rng world quests in bfa? or do we even know yet....

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Unsure, I would test for you

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But Blizzard wants to give Betas to people to joyride around

sullen dagger Jun 20, 2018, 11:01 PM

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joyride?

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 11:02 PM

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joyride

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like despacito

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Play around and see things without bugreporting, testing, reporting

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Well, EvE is a very different beast to WoW. (mainly gameplay and story are a good bit more integrated)

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Basically "Early Access"

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Blizzard wants every person to feel like "the hero"

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But in EvE, in the big things, you are always just a cog in a much larger machine

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And a good bit of the suspense of the story comes from the fact that the losers actually lose things.

forest tartan Jun 20, 2018, 11:04 PM

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working fro a drunk russian

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Anyway, If they were to remake more zones to be more modern and fit something... Which zone would you guys want that is fought over or has some story relevance?

I want Gadgetzan reworked and expanded like the Hearthstone expansion

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 11:05 PM

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darkspear isles

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:05 PM

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Imagine giant sleezy city with no flying allowed, PVP enabled and joining Gangs to fight with other Alliance/Horde members.

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 11:05 PM

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and update the old darkspear leveling zone

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I would literally pay extra money for them to rework Quel'thalas and put it into the Eastern Kingdom Map (and enable flying)

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I would like to see Ulduar updated tbh

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Darkspear, Nah... Quel'thalas is a Yes.

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Darkspear islands arent in game yet

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I think they should be added

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Well, QT and the Mythos Islands are now the oldest zones in the game and you kinda feel that

forest tartan Jun 20, 2018, 11:07 PM

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is the worg place instanced like qt is

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they should fix all that

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Darkspear Islands be under the sea

forest tartan Jun 20, 2018, 11:07 PM

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the allies are goign to roll over undercity and qt anyways

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:07 PM

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Worgan isn't instanced

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Just empty

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Save for stuff if you are doing Daddy Fang Legendary

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 11:08 PM

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they can easily change it up to where, say half of it sunk in the sea

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like Zandalar

harsh canyon Jun 20, 2018, 11:09 PM

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What point is going there?

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Raise Vol'jins dad from the dead?

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Why not just go to Undermine?

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You know, The giant catacombed true city of the goblins where we let the poor people live while the rich ran away...

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I mean, I am sure they dug up lots of goodies for us before they exploded/drowned/crushed/mangled/ mutilated/disembowled/carved up/smooshed/melted/boiled/whatever

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I hope my employee's are dead... I don't want to pay 5 years of overtime and hazard pay....

forest tartan Jun 20, 2018, 11:24 PM

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this is the goblins great contribution to the horde

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📎 Iron_star.png

tropic trail Jun 20, 2018, 11:31 PM

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TEE-RAHN-DUH, MAI LUV!

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 12:27 AM

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@sour burrow be careful, thats sandbox stuff right? that can get you in trouble

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 12:29 AM

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ptr restarted

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 12:32 AM

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I believe that was used with an appearance swapper or something.

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 12:33 AM

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do those work with npcs?

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also, how could you get the appearance before getting the heart?

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 12:34 AM

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it could be a mod

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 12:35 AM

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Not too sure, you're better off asking Tobias. I just know he was looking for others to test it in game, so whatever he did, I'm sure he did it legitimately in the beta.

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 12:35 AM

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that's still bannable Arson

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 12:35 AM

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wat

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i thought mods could turn into anything without getting banned

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 12:37 AM

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You can go to Kul Tiras/Zandalar before doing any quests

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 12:37 AM

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There a way to do it without sandbox

be a rogue
get the pickpocket glyph
ask someone to port you to new zones (mage portal / warlock...)
pickpocket a sethrak
go back to silithus
get the heart

He's a shaman however so this is not how he did it

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Or just have a rogue ride the boat, pickpocket, then prism swap and do the quest

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 12:39 AM

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There is an even better way

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ask blizzard to give us sethrak allied race

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Snek

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 12:40 AM

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when will ptr be available again

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 12:43 AM

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when it's up

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 12:43 AM

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^

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 12:43 AM

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After Sethrak/Vulpera, it's all Arakkoa for me

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Well, major support for Arakkoa

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 12:45 AM

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SNITTIES

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AND BITTIES

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 12:45 AM

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STOP

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 12:46 AM

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#GIVESNEKSSNITTIES

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 12:47 AM

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hogger

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Begone heretics!

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 12:48 AM

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"I didn't vote for you"

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:06 AM

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Gimme Man'ari

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For horde

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Plz

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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I dont see why the orcs would accept those that wanted to enslave them

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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@dense plover That is on live, good sir. ;) Promise.

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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but hey if you manage to get it

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more power to you

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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I mean I don't see why the horde would accept those that empowered those that wanted to enslave them

zealous basalt Jun 21, 2018, 1:07 AM

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I misreas

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Man ari for magar

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:08 AM

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the blood elves empowered them after joining tho.

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:08 AM

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Besides orcs aren't even the major political power for the horde now

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@hollow dock I mean the nightborne

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:08 AM

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Elisande did that. not thalryssa

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:08 AM

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She's still a nightborne, #NotAllManari

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And the horde is all about that second chance stuff

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Soo

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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if they give us neutral man'ari eredar that are against hte legion

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sure

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more power to you

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but they haven't. yet.

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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I want that

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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I want Man'ari

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Right now

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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Sorry but

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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;~;

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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the alliance is waiting for you

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if you want half goats

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:09 AM

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I mean I do play Draenei

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But I want horde Draenei

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Cause if I can have Tauren and Draenei I'll be happy

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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you can tho

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like right now

still lily Jun 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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But I want them on the same side

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Smh

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Myehh a girl can dream

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 1:11 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEof3w8d4jo Linking it again because a mod deleted my post thinking it was a sandbox thing. It's not. It's legit live (beta).

YouTube

Games on the street

Wow: Sethrak Heart of Azeroth

Magni asks a sethrak to heal Azeroth's damaged core.

▶ Play video

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 1:14 AM

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yeah you can go in there and do it on anyone, I did it on my rogue for kul tirans (didnt record it sadly)

forest tartan Jun 21, 2018, 1:17 AM

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sylvans voice sounds less like an evil computer and more like jayneway

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 1:34 AM

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how did you do it tobias?

neat idol Jun 21, 2018, 1:36 AM

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I wanna know too @sour burrow

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 1:37 AM

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Mentions it in here https://gyazo.com/c9cfb5310a4f620e3ab5590a79f3b59e

Gyazo

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Expected such, its what I did

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 1:39 AM

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ah

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ok

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 1:59 AM

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I was afk. Boo @ Vail giving it away like that.

Glyph of Disguise, Reflecting Prism, a well placed hearth, and yes, the animations function as they should for Vulpera and Sethrak.

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Takes a fresh 110 at that stage and a rogue helping snag the appearance. The same poster has like 6 others of us playing around, with all of them flawed in some way. Some close but...

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 2:03 AM

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its not surprising tbh

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i think the animation is the same for ALL races

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 2:04 AM

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No, some races don't have the Heart properly placed

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:04 AM

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the one in the scenario changes by race, since its half artoffloop and half castdirect

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 2:05 AM

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For instance, the Pandaren's is extremely close to the Tuskarr's, but the Tuskarr's is just misplaced with the heart.

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:10 AM

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look at this and tell me undead druids aren't possible

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Awakened

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 2:13 AM

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yeah it isnt undead

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its awakened from being a normal tree

karmic scroll Jun 21, 2018, 2:16 AM

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OMG!!! Alpaca!

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tropic trail Jun 21, 2018, 2:16 AM

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!!!!!! i love him...

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that alpaca is so flippin cute

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 2:19 AM

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And the horde is all about that second chance stuff

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hmm, aren't alliance also giving void elves 2nd chance?

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 2:19 AM

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I don't think Void Elves did anything to screw up in the first place

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 2:19 AM

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they joined the horde

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=^]

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 2:20 AM

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apparently they screwed up by delving into the void

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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i mean, thats more - you committed treason agains the horde, get out

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not - you committed horrible atrocities we dont trust you

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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was it treason?

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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they just disobeyed an order of the magister. That's not betraying the horde. LOL

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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yes

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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no, dont think its treason

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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they were literally kicked out of the horde

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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For not following hte rules

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not commiting treason

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 2:21 AM

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cause blizzard wanted them to join the alliance

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i doubt in real circumstances, delving into void = kick out of faction

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 2:22 AM

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yes sorry

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not treason

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but they were removed from the horde

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 2:22 AM

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we had ppl start studying the fel, death, and other unknown forces

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*study and use

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 2:22 AM

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delving into the void was banned because it was fucking with the well

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 2:22 AM

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ya, that's fine

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 2:22 AM

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we see that in the nightborne scenario

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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But as you did constantly preach, peach

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we don't know when the banning went place

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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Hozen, tuskarr, murloc, etc etc don't work in the same way that Sethrak and Vulpera work. ArtOffLoop is required for it to look properly. Only playable races, Vulpera, Sethrak, and anything that got copied (Rexxar, Quillboar brutes) have that animation. Blood Trolls, Tortollan, etc, do not have it.

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 2:24 AM

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All we know is that at some point, umbric and his ilk were kicked out for not obeying hte magister rules.

karmic scroll Jun 21, 2018, 2:27 AM

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so, we're gonna not talk about the new ALPACA?!? it's so fluffy...

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Alpacas and sneks

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Well they aren't too new. Been a month now.

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There's also no mount version, lol.

karmic scroll Jun 21, 2018, 2:28 AM

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first I've seen of them, did wowhead show them off?

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 2:29 AM

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Yeah, there's 5 colors I think.

karmic scroll Jun 21, 2018, 2:29 AM

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😮

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well, I guess I'm doing a moderately good job avoiding spoilers then huh

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 2:29 AM

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Only one seems to be used atm..? Hard to say.

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Lol

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:30 AM

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They are keeping the 4 others as raid bosses

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murloc

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Patch 8.1.5 : Alpaca Zoo

karmic scroll Jun 21, 2018, 2:32 AM

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I need an Alpaca battle pet team!

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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and a big Alpaca store mount

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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umbric and his people were not banished due to the sunwell, that only occured with Alleria, rommath simply demanded they be exiled from Silvermoon for their void research

karmic scroll Jun 21, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Gladiators Alpaca!

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Is the recruiting npc buggy like legion class hall ones, I mean, sometimes when I click nothing happen until I go away and come back, why can't they solve this bug since legion?

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Horde is most definitely not about second chances

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if that were true, they'd be reasonable but noooooo

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i blame blizzard's writers

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:37 AM

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chronicles and recent xpacs have honestly made the Alliance about second chances, they were willing to let the blood elves join them up till they joined the horde, willing to let grimtotem separate from magatha prove themselves, now the void elves

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:37 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8sk9uk/anduin_looks_like_brad_pitt_on_bfa_cinematic_but/

r/wow - Anduin looks like Brad Pitt on BfA Cinematic but Benicio d...

853 votes and 76 so far on reddit

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Anduin is Anduin

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Anduin looks uncannily like Brad Pitt

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:39 AM

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The void and the light are fighting with the Alliance.
What about the horde?

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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the horde gets...

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idk

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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SCOURGE

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:40 AM

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I mean, the only person he actually looks like in the cinematic is Josh Keaton, cause they did motion capture lol

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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idk, i think he looks like brad pitt

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Anduin for President 2020

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Anduin for Warchief 2020

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Anduin for President 2020 https://twitter.com/portergauge

Anduin for President 2020 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

they're good gays, Brent | he/him 🏳️‍🌈

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meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:42 AM

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ooh

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hai, port! /wave

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Yes, that me

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:45 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/MSCbcbe.png

Imgur

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Imgur

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https://i.imgur.com/uW9fLqx.png

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https://i.imgur.com/ATAk9Q0.png

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https://i.imgur.com/muPCzVF.png

Imgur

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:46 AM

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select assets being reused and recolored, oh lordy me

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 2:47 AM

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horses -_-

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Kirby horses

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Blizz? Reusing assets?

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That's so lazy of the current BFA team

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Surely they've never done that before

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:49 AM

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that new DH-recolor should just remake the old one instead of that

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:49 AM

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQYxnA8CbN77nq_VanM_7UNUZoehPd7xUMSf7OZwgE5J4K4opj_

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9YT3a2K10sT75sWSt1lmESYRrkfRccLZD0iKgfLH4dSkG7cxQ

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http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/745508.jpg

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🤔 🤔 🤔

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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murloc murloc murloc

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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(I couldn't find a pic of one from Legion after 5 seconds of googling, but there's also a recolor for Vasharah/Emerald Nightmare and then it appears again in the Argus fight)

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(Like they are in love with that model)

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:51 AM

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I think they reused them very creatively anyways, especially the stormsong horse

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if you didnt look explicitly at the models side by side, you wouldnt notice. Nobody noticed until this week

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:52 AM

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It's just like

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If you do every single thing from scratch

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You have less of an end product

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That's, you know, why we have 8 Allied Races

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Instead of 2, if not 1, new base race

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Allied races are a good addition ever if they're reused, I guess that one day in the future they will need to make new HD models for everything again and maybe allied races will end up with unique models

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in like 10 years or something

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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i bet allied races will be stagnant after BfA

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:55 AM

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It's more interesting than naga, anyways

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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they're still happening, we got confirmation on that, just will likely be a lot rarer

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Who knows what they'll do

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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naga allied race or full race?

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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They sure ain't gonna talk about 9.0 races now

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Who knows

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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any chance of Elune making an appearance in BFA ?

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Who knows

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I ain't Christie Golden, man

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:57 AM

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I thought you can read the future

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Christie Golden doesn't really know anything tho

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she's just as bad as the other ones

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 2:58 AM

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I mean I can read obvious narrative beats

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And I know the Horde literally can't unequivocally lose

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But Christie Golden is literally working for Blizz now

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So she probably knows more than me

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 2:59 AM

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in terms of lore, i bet a small percentage of the player base knows more than what blizz does

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since they forget obvious details

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 2:59 AM

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she knows that Worgens will get a tail murloc

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 2:59 AM

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she doesnt have as much narrative control as people think, shes just a lot more integrated into the team, and can write what they came up with

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 3:00 AM

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wait, worgen don't have tails?

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wot

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 3:00 AM

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theyve never had tails

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 3:00 AM

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w o t

rich apex Jun 21, 2018, 3:01 AM

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Golden forgot whether or not WoW werewolves have tails

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lore ruined forever

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 3:01 AM

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i don't think i ever noticed that. though i guess it figures since the one worgen character i had i switched to undead

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but unfortunately, undead aren't all that great as of BfA sad

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 3:02 AM

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sad

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 3:08 AM

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undead have never been great

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 3:08 AM

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tru

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but they're less great now

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 3:08 AM

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theyve always been phenomenally evil

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 3:08 AM

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slaves

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mind control

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 3:08 AM

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I love RPing as a dark ranger, its so fun being a bitch to everyone

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 3:08 AM

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etc

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I got my dark fill being a twilight's hammer agent. c=

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 3:09 AM

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I think it sucks that she said outright that NO Worgen have tails. It would be good if some did. Because then it could be a character option and we could have fun with it...

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 3:10 AM

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if you want furry tails, the horde is there waiting for you

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 3:12 AM

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w h y

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 3:14 AM

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@uncut vault dun let rys hear u say that

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he gets sad when ppl are meanies

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 3:15 AM

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no, let rys hear it

mint arch Jun 21, 2018, 3:15 AM

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xD

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 3:15 AM

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khadgarface

neat idol Jun 21, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Beta unstable

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 4:33 AM

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its beta

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Beta arcanocrystal

dense plover Jun 21, 2018, 4:33 AM

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the hell did you expect?

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 5:36 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452943450526973962/459227864730959882/skins.png I still think the secret stripe across the chest on the females is pretty cool, lol. Funny though, the males and females both sort of have it crossing the same place.

In all seriousness though, I love how they made them all stripety and not flat lines.

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 5:36 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/3aa3ec441f242f4239b687b1a77b73a1.png

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C-:

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 5:37 AM

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What scares me the most about the male is his plaque.

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Dude needs to learn to brush more often.

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 6:10 AM

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i wonder if hunters will be able to tame undead

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 6:10 AM

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You mean DK ?

modest berry Jun 21, 2018, 6:10 AM

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You can totally tame undead beasts.

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 6:10 AM

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no, i mean hunters

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not dk

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 6:11 AM

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I wish DK could tame undead creatures just like that spell that let you control 1 undead creature for some time

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 6:11 AM

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the one i want as a pet for my undead hunter is the black rook falcon

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 6:11 AM

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Should really be a glyph, some dark ranger themed stuff to give shadow arrows and the ability to tame some undead

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Or a green fire like questline

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 6:12 AM

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dark ranger won't make sense on all races

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 6:12 AM

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if undead druids ever become playable, black rook falcon would be a neat travel form

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 6:13 AM

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Neither did verdant spheres, locks still got them for a glyph

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 6:13 AM

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Honestly, it's really difficult to balance lore and gameplay sometimes vis a vis class/race combos. Void Elf Holy Priest and Lightforged Draenei Shadow Priest come to mind

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 6:14 AM

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they should make certain glyphs that can only be bought by their respective races

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for example, in case of undead, taming undead beasts and such,
void elves, taming void monsters/ beasts,
orcs taming demons,
etc

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 6:15 AM

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Yeah, that'd be a pretty good way to combat it

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Of course, there's those people who think every race/class/spec combo should be possible, because everyone having everything is apparently a better prospect for them than just having to try something new or different 😂

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 6:17 AM

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i mean, i can see their viewpoint on that but i'd rather it be more like what i just said

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 6:18 AM

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I prefer more limitations, honestly. Makes for more interesting and thoughtful choices. If every race could be every class, it would be boring as hell imo

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 6:19 AM

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agreed

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Hell, people constantly want to throttle me for it, but I found it way more interesting when only the Horde could have Shaman, and only the Alliance could have Paladins

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It was an interesting parallel, but I can understand how it's hard to balance things like raids around a mechanic like that.

modest berry Jun 21, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Blizz can't balance.

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sooooo

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I don't think it matters either way tbh.

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 6:27 AM

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while i mostly agree with that, i think there should be more unique combos such as undead druid and Orc priest. though stuff like undead paladin is just... no.

harsh canyon Jun 21, 2018, 6:32 AM

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QUESTION

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To whoever has the new novel

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Can you find and name the 'Felstone brothers?'

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Jake Jack and Jem

harsh canyon Jun 21, 2018, 6:36 AM

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Darn, Since I am making a card for the Cockroach vendor

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And he is also a Felstone

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Apperently, I am going through various logs

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 6:46 AM

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I'm curious as to how an Undead druid would work. Can one really commune with nature and work in harmony with it, even take on its forms, if they're a rotting corpse?

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It's an interesting idea, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure as to how it would work

tulip sun Jun 21, 2018, 6:57 AM

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I don't know, but look at drustvar, they are more like that, having skulls and such

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Well, true, but they're not undead, they're just more...dark and witchy.

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Goth Druids™

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Huh, seems at some point Moira's voice lines where changed in her appearnce in Ironforge

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also she has so many she can't say them all before going into the pissed quotes

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her tone is more agressive, but her words are less theatening

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:15 AM

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well, undead paladins are possible. look at the guy in naxx

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unless that's been retconned.

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so why not undead druids

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:16 AM

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undead paladins are possible but the way pladins and preists use holy magic is diffrent, so undead pallies would be like they were setting themselves on fire every time they cast a spell

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:17 AM

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He's kind of an exception; the explanation is that his faith was so strong, that he's not as truly undead as the other three Horsemen. But yeah, as TimeSage said, the idea is that while it's possible for the undead to channel the Light, it's different for Priests than for Paladins

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It's basically "holding the torch" (priests) versus "being the torch" (paladins)

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So it would be excruciating. And Zeliek was raised differently to the Forsaken, too.

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Yeah, and he's also mind controlled into using his powers against his will

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he says as much during his enconter. His mind is his own but his body is controlled

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:18 AM

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i wonder if they could make a class for undead and maybe a few others that's basically just Dark Druid

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probably not tho

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:18 AM

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You should check out Kul'Tiran durids

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Their magic is pretty diffrent themantically to other druids

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:19 AM

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That's the closest it'll get, I think. Playable Forsaken would likely never be druids, because their very existence is a perversion of nature

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:19 AM

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Thier druid forms are monsterous wickermen

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:20 AM

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D:

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could forsaken harness Kul'tiran druidism? 🤔

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:20 AM

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I ran into a few shapeshifted NPCs while questing as well that are freindly on the beta

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Depends on if we're talking about the Player Charcter durids or the evil Drust druids in Drustvar

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:21 AM

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That's hard to say. From what I understand, the Druidic magic of the Kul Tiran druids is vastly different to traditional druidism, but it's draws specifically from the Drust.

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:22 AM

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The PC durids are probably going to be a blend of regular druids and drust. While pure drust are evil witches that curse shit

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:22 AM

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Forsaken could probably be Nightmare or Drust Druids

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Does the Nightmare hold any true sway anymore after the EN raid?

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:23 AM

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probably not but i assume Xavius is still alive

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and if he's not, there's still the old gods he bowed to

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:24 AM

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he's dead

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The player sees his corpse, the corpse of his orginal night elf form

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:25 AM

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o

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well in that case, whatever old god he served can replace him

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:25 AM

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There's a small remnant leave in the emerald dream

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You can see it after Xavius, hidden in a cave in the back

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:25 AM

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after you kill him, you're teleported to a now purified center of the dream where Cenarius and other NPCs are waiting, right on top of his now purfied coropse, which holds the loot

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That is true

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Though that may be a bit of an abandoned quest line

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:26 AM

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And the thing with the druid thing is, we don't know enough about Drust magic, yet. It's possible that it would take years for an outsider to learn the ways, if they could at all. From what I understand, it manifests itself and has some semblance of control, in that it can inhabit animals and manifest in nature, so it might elect to not bestow itself upon anyone outside those it recognizes as being from Drustvar, or super dedicated to their studies there or something.

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Might be theoretically possible, but it's hard to say until we know more

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:26 AM

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I don't think it's an abandoned quest line, but a hint of what still remains

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:26 AM

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There's thing above the hunter class hall that was from an abandoned quest chain of some kind so there are remnants of stuff in legion content

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Yesera's ghost is also wandering the same area as that remanat of the nightmare though

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:28 AM

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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1679198-Forsaken-Druids-It-s-more-plausible-than-you-think!-Enter-the-Blighter

The Blighter
http://i.imgur.com/tIIvxCo.jpg

I felt inspired to make a thread on a seemingly absurd race/class combo, and argue the merits and plausibility of it. 'Blighters' are anti-druids, a concept which has occasionally reared it's head over the history of Dungeons & ...

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didn't Ysera's ghost turn into a few stars tho

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:29 AM

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you can't target her, but she'll appear in the area and walk across the water

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she's a translucent green color

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:29 AM

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ooh

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o

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:29 AM

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https://gfycat.com/QuarterlySecondAnnelid

Gfycat

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she'll head into the cave and walk twords it before vanishing

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:30 AM

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I don't really see anything convincing in this thread about how it's possible. Seems more like a dude just going "WOULDN'T THIS BE COOL"

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:30 AM

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https://youtu.be/w5c4ifo_hr4

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meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:31 AM

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shush you!

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Which, fair. But it's not really a druid. It's more like a disease mage lmao

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:31 AM

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exactly! :D

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http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=189715

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Undead Druids - Lore & Roleplaying - Wowhead Forums

This is an idea that crept into my head one night when i couldn't sleep, and i wanted to see what you guys thought of it. An undead druid wouldn't actually be …

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:32 AM

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"Simply put, none of the races that can be druids can be raised ala Forsaken."

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That's actually a really good point I hadn't thought of

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:32 AM

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indeed

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Kul'tiran humans can definatly be raised

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They're nothing special, just humans with a diffrent build

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:33 AM

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but trolls can be raised somehow else. as evidenced by death knights and the unique model npcs in northrend

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as well as Ku'ma

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:33 AM

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and Night Elves can be raised, at least into Banshess and DKs

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And there are undead trolls even in troll culture

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:33 AM

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Yeah, but that's different to being raised as Forsaken specifically

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:33 AM

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Kul'tiran humans and night elves can't be raised as forsaken tho

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:34 AM

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there's no reason the methods used on humans wouldn't work on diffrent humans

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 7:34 AM

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at least, they haven't yet

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:34 AM

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No, that's true. Which is why learning more about how Drust magic works is going to be a key point, because it's more akin to "death magic" than the traditional "life magic" that druidism uses

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The way I understand it is that the process of being raised as Forsaken is really twisted and defiant of nature's cycle of life and death, so nature's energies are like "lol nah that's fucked up"

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And who knows; maybe the Kul Tiran druids won't be able to be raised in the same way because of their use of Drust magic? The intricacies of that are a big question mark which are pretty key to whether or not it'd be plausible for Forsaken to employ

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 7:36 AM

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https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1009435151854657537 Is this true ?

For example in Darkshore, the Horde duels the furbolg chieftains in honorable combat to peacefully go through Darkshore without killing furbolgs. Alliance side the Horde has enslaved the furbolgs, put their chieftains in cages, and is forcing them to attack the Alliance.

In Astranaar, the Horde only attacks night elf combatants and takes great pains to ensure no civilians are harmed. Alliance side the Horde has rounded up all the civilians in the center of the town and mass executed them, with forsaken assassins and blight everywhere.

Ian Bates (@TheRedShirtGuy)

So the Teldrassil questline's horde and alliance versions are completely incompatible. As in the events shown are so different they can't be reconciled. That's not "morally grey" writing, that's just really confusing.

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:37 AM

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Beta is beta

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One was never intetended to be tested, it's likely one side or the other isn't done

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once both sides are open for testing then start complaining if they don't match

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:38 AM

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The Horde and Alliance faction quests are written by separate teams, but the idea is they meet now and again to keep things consistent

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But yeah, this is muddled af

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Some people are theorizing that there's a force acting outside of the Horde's knowledge to make them look worse, which is why the Alliance come by later and see things far more terrible than what the Horde players actually saw or did.

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:41 AM

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There's alot we don't know about the burning of Teldrassil

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Blizzard has kept it very close the the chest in regards to detials

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The biggest oddity is the fact that the thing is on fire given Slyvanas only intends to occupy the area, using civillans as hostages to force Anduain to agree with her

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:44 AM

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I was under the impression that, while she maybe didn't want to burn it, she wanted to claim Darnassus and kill Malfurion, most especially because she didn't want the Alliance to be able to use the Darnassian port as a means to funnel more Azerite into the war effort.

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:44 AM

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yes

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:44 AM

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There are two sides and an inbetween

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We're missing that inbetween somewhere

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:45 AM

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She wanted the place left intact spefically so she could use the civllians as a bartering chip

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:45 AM

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Hm, I don't remember reading about that bit. Where's that referenced?

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:46 AM

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It was her plan for Teldrassil

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Can't remember where, but I think it was datamined text

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:46 AM

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What IS certain is that the Alliance will use Darnassus as a safe harbor for funneling Azerite into the Eastern Kingdoms. Anduin Wrynn will build powerful new weapons, and sooner or later he will turn them upon our homelands. First he will strike at the Undercity and Silvermoon, then his gaze will fall upon Kalimdor.

For the same of the Horde's future, we must be the first to act.

By occupying Darnassus, we will control the flow of Azerite and ensure it cannot be used against us. The Alliance will dare not attack its own city for fear of harming civilians.

With a single stroke, we will guarantee generations of peace.

The night elves will fight us at every step.

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From the PTR, from her own words

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The kaldorei will defy our occupation... unless we break their spirits.

We must inflict a blow that will show them what is at stake. They will need to lose something... someone... in whom they have absolute trust and faith. A symbol of hope.

Malfurion Stormrage must die.

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:47 AM

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Yeah, that's less of a bargaining chip and more like "if we're keeping them hostage they won't try and fight back"

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Not "we'll hurt them unless you do [x]"

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:48 AM

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Whatever 😛

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The point is she wanted them alive aside from military forces, Malfurion spefically on her hit list

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(Worth noteing that we still don't know if he survives or not. We apperntly know Tyrande does but nothing about him)

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:49 AM

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I think it was actually mentioned that he was near death, but Vaurok spared him, letting him survive

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:50 AM

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Oh no, for sure. I'm not saying that it isn't possible the Horde didn't burn Teldrassil. It's entirely possible. But Sylvanas has shown that she can be kind of...changeable and unstable in her decisions

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And yeah, Saurfang refuses to finish the job because it wasn't an honorable blow, since he apparently takes Malfurion by surprise.

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:51 AM

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if anyone comes off as unstable it's sarufang

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also unrleated

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Alleria has speical dialouge for void elves in Boralas

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:52 AM

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I love it when they slip in little stuff like that

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And I dunno if he's unstable, so much as like...incredibly disillusioned by what's going on

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:52 AM

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It's. A. WAR.

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:52 AM

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When your Warchief is like "lol die with honor then idgaf i'll just raise u to fight for me again"

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He's been shown quite a few times to be seriously at odds with Sylvanas' methods

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:53 AM

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she makes a good point though. Once you're dead dead, your honor is largely worthess

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:54 AM

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Oh yeah, it's the practical viewpoint, for sure. But Saurfang is an old orc. Honor and combat are everything to him.

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:54 AM

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old by orc standards is like 40

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:54 AM

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People bag on Sylvanas with what she does at Lordaeron, but really, what would you do in a war?

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Just retreat as the enemy takes your territory?

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:55 AM

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No, but the main beef that people have is that she banshee-killed a bunch of her own soldiers as well to raise them

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Which definitely crosses a line IMO

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:55 AM

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yes, yes that does.

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Using the blight to stop the allaince and then blowing up the keep and escapeing? Not crossing the line

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:56 AM

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When did she banshee kill her own?

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:56 AM

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Duing Battle for Lordorn Anduin quickly deduces that the blight is killing her own troops just as much as it's killing theirs, aside from the people spreading it, which includes horde PCs

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:57 AM

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Ah, that's right. Blight does the killing, banshee powers do the raisin'

forest tartan Jun 21, 2018, 7:57 AM

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she knows strait up the alliance wants undercity and qt. she tells the player in quest text before she even leads the horde to darnassus

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:57 AM

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(You don't have have to spread it, you can take just the mask, yay usless moral choice?)

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she then raises all the troops, horde and allaince alike

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:57 AM

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But the ones dying were already wounded, weren't they?

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:58 AM

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No confirmation either way. In the cutscene, they're still up and fighting.

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:58 AM

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horde side you can help evucate troops I think

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:58 AM

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"So die your warrior's death, High Overlord Saurfang. It means little to me. Perhaps I will raise your broken body to serve me once more. Or perhaps you will have a chance to say hello to your son."

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Also woof that is colder than a penguin's nipple

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 7:58 AM

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It is but it's a fancy way of saying "You're of no use to me dead"

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 7:59 AM

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I meant more the part about his son. Bit of a low blow

forest tartan Jun 21, 2018, 7:59 AM

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good

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he could have been warchief if he stopped crying about it

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 7:59 AM

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Imagine it from her point of view though

forest tartan Jun 21, 2018, 8:00 AM

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then sylv could still be in the shadows or undercity happy business as usual

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 8:00 AM

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"The Alliance are taking Lordaeron, yet you want to stay and die."

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 8:00 AM

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How exactly could he have been warchief? Thrall was warchief and named Garrosh in his stead, Vol'jin took up the mantle post-war crimes, and then he directly handed off to Sylvanas

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Would you not be annoyed if one of your subordinates was wanting to die a pointless death?

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Not a lot of places to step in unless he staged a coup

forest tartan Jun 21, 2018, 8:01 AM

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thrall asked him and he declined3

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 8:01 AM

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whoa hey Fiona is in Boralaus

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 8:01 AM

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Oh cool! I was wondering if we'd see that lot again after seeing Gidwin and Tarenar in the pally class hall

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 8:02 AM

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She's just a merchent, selling common junk. The area that used to to have the various NPC teams loitering around has been replaced with "forgin" traders

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aside from a single NPC none of them sell anything of actual value, selling the same low level stuff common vendors sell. The one that sells something usef is a tortellen selling some high level food, 3 scrolls. One that puts you in a zen lotus postion while floating indefintaly, one that makes you run slower (Cause turtles) and one that acts like food and warns you do not eat, recite spell

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 8:09 AM

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None of them sell anything of actual value for us, players; but they have a value for other NPCs

/runaway

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 8:10 AM

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one of them is selling vanilla era enchanting supplies

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If you want enchanting supplies go to the area with the trainers?

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 8:16 AM

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@vocal sparrow can you upload a bigger pic of what Alleria said?

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can't see it

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 8:16 AM

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If you click "view original" it opens in the bigger resolution in your browser

vocal sparrow Jun 21, 2018, 8:16 AM

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that. I didn't shrink it or anything

sour burrow Jun 21, 2018, 8:30 AM

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What's the capital city of nagaland?

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 8:35 AM

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i did that.
it's too small

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 8:36 AM

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Nazjatar?

meager warren Jun 21, 2018, 8:36 AM

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oh wait nvm

vagrant quail Jun 21, 2018, 9:28 AM

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Anyone on beta who knows if there still are Syndicate dudes in Arathi for Ravenholdt rep?

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 9:38 AM

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There are

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At the farms

sullen dagger Jun 21, 2018, 9:43 AM

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that about saurfang being 40 yp...

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çyears old*

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he was the right hand of blackhand

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that was quite a while ago eh?

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 9:51 AM

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https://youtu.be/yEof3w8d4jo
https://imgur.com/a/OVjooEA

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Wow: Sethrak Heart of Azeroth

Magni asks a sethrak to heal Azeroth's damaged core.

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I've got some mysterious occurrences from the beta,you all know the pickpocket glyph that turns you into whatever you pickpocket,so with the new magni cutscene in place,we decided to do some investigating,and the cutscene uses a mix of the "ArtOffLoop" animation(used for holding the heartofazeroth model in your hand) and the frontal cast animation,
the cutscene plays out nicely with playable races,then we tested it out,with currently non playable races,and the only ones that had no problems and went smooth like the playable races,were vulpera and sethrak,because they are the only noncurrently playable race with the ArtOFFloop animation,
now,why would they have a player only animation(among others) if they weren't planned as AR already,we know that "they have it all planned out" from an interview with blizzard a bunch of weeks ago

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:13 AM

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don't those two fall back to their parent race animations if they don't have their own?

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(not sure either have them, though)

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:17 AM

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They have their own animations though, they just use heavily modified worgen/goblin skeletons I believe

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:18 AM

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the way the new system works iirc is that they can have their own anims, but if they don't the anim for the parent race's skeleton will be used

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:19 AM

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With the way they're modeled, I don't think the amulet would fit as perfectly as it does if they went off of parent animations.

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:20 AM

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for vulpera that'd be goblin, sethrak aren't a character race just yet it seems

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:20 AM

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They're based off of the female worgen skeleton

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At least, that's what I remember seeing

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:21 AM

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probably

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:21 AM

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Plus that right there, the Heart of Azeroth scene

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:22 AM

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sethrak got their own unique animation

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Requires two animations to work properly

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:22 AM

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@stiff vector also,if it went off the parent animation,their ears and tails wouldn't be animated,but they are,so its their own

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:22 AM

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One, the directcast and the ArtOffloop animation

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:22 AM

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good point @strange falcon

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:23 AM

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plus the vulpera casting anims only really LOOK like the goblins ones, they're basically HD upgrades of them, in the same vein that the WoD upgrades were to the OG anims

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:23 AM

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i mean, their parent race is goblin according to the game

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so there's some reason they're doing that

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sethrak are still entirely separate creature only models as far as i can see

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:23 AM

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thats not true,porter,the vulpera casting animation is different from the goblin one

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I would post a gif but i:'m on phone @urban dew help me out

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:24 AM

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many HD upgrades of og anims are different, i think you're agreeing with eachother 😄

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:24 AM

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Uh, lemme see if I can find their stuff

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Their stuff is on wowhead, isn't it?

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:26 AM

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should be, it is a character race

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:27 AM

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http://www.wowhead.com/news=281155/vulpera-models-and-animations-now-in-model-viewer

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Vulpera Models and Animations Now in Model Viewer

Battle for Azeroth features a new fox-like NPC race named the Vulpera. The Vulpera will be found in Vol'dun, Zandalar and we now have their models and animations available for viewing in our Model Viewer.

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I believe their stuff should be in there

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:28 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453694945115766784/453695212833734657/VGuideDirected25.gif @uncut vault it's notably different,

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also tail and ear are animated too

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 10:29 AM

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I was of the understanding that the underlying framework or "skeleton" was the part that was the same, rather than an exact reskin.

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:29 AM

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it depends per race tbh

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some stuff might start off as a reskin and get their own animation as development continues

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:29 AM

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even the skeleton is different,and that goes for both vulpera and sethrak,I might have more trouble finding that pic tho

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:30 AM

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the fact that gif has a comparison of a goblin animation on a vulpera means they're atleast somewhat similar 😛

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 10:30 AM

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I mean. That male and female channeling animation seems pretty much the same.

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:31 AM

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i was assuming that was part of the point the gif was trying to make

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:33 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424120880340140033/436357668647731210/sculpt.png

(Just for those that might still think Vulpera are reskinned Goblins.) This is the polygonal differences not only in the face, but also the body.

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:34 AM

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that doesn't mean much tho

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bone / bone weights are what matters

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:35 AM

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that pic is to prove that a lot of work has gone into them already,they have a modified skeleton,just like how kultirans use a heavily modified vrykul skeleton(shocking I know)

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:35 AM

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I mean if this is all true, then at least the Alliance get better off, with snek bois

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:35 AM

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snekboi would be my first and last character on alliance if that happens

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 10:35 AM

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I don't recall any information that even remotely confirms that Sethekk are going to be playable, much less what faction

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:35 AM

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there isn't any

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:36 AM

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because alliance 👎

sullen dagger Jun 21, 2018, 10:36 AM

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HORDE SUCKS

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:36 AM

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minus maybe that animation, which could also be used by NPCs for whatever reason

sullen dagger Jun 21, 2018, 10:36 AM

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also, 'morning

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:36 AM

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Thansk wowhead bot

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:38 AM

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@stiff vector that animation is player exclusive and is used when you get azerite like how you raise your weapons when you get artifact power

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:39 AM

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i'm not sure "player exclusive" is really a thing

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:39 AM

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I mean the artoffloop one not the mashup shown in the cutscene

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why would an NPC ever even get an heart of azeroth?

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:39 AM

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they wouldn't

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maybe they're holding something else though

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:40 AM

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Only other time we saw it was a KT holding an azerite grenade

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And KT is a player race

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:40 AM

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still doesn't mean much

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if they wanted an npc animation for an npc holding something and casting while during it, that would be perfect

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it's not "proof" either way

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there's no additional references to snekbois being a playable race, unlike vulpera etc

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it might still come, but nothing yet.

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:42 AM

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theres also the tabard/cloak stuff

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which we now know wasnt for any kind of NPC stuff, because its no longer there

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:42 AM

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that might be a reference, yeah

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:42 AM

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They implemented cloaks and tabards, but removed them not long after

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:43 AM

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but until i see it on an actual character compatible model i'll pass :v

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:43 AM

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well,I'm sure the alliance fans don't want to get fucked over once again with an asspull race out of nowhere,and the sethrak are the only logical candidate to pair with vulpera,considering the alliance interacts only with them in the voldun foothold

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:43 AM

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yeah they'd be pretty cool as an allied race

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Blizz says they like to lay the ground work for stuff, so that's probably why

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:43 AM

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i'm just going off what i'm currently seeing in the client

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 10:43 AM

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I'm looking forward to BfA, but honestly, seeing snake-headed humanoids running around Stormwind would put a bit of a knife wound in the expansion.

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:43 AM

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sargeras already did that

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:44 AM

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that was technically legion

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Alright, I want to ask you something then, why would they release every surprise before expansion is out?

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Glad the joke didn't get missed ehe

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:44 AM

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blizzard generally doesn't care much about keeping stuff a surprise if its a bother

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:45 AM

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they clearly stated multiple times they don't like data miners spoiling stuff

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:45 AM

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the thing is, the way they did the first four allied races means that A) the race doesnt need to be set up to join the faction at all and B) the race does not need a playable model prior to the patch that they are playable in

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:45 AM

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they would have made it as a character model from the start and not have 2 separate creature models

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:45 AM

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nightborne

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:45 AM

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those were made later on and are entirely different models

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before the allied race stuff existed

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:46 AM

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I mean the allied race system causes too much drama

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 10:46 AM

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I like the idea of it, but the speculatory wars are certainly getting out of hand

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:46 AM

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Why does it cause drama?

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM

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some people hate/love some of the races i guess

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM

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because people don't believe ^

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM

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that causes drama

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM

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also, theyve very much set up sethrak better than they did with nightborne, theyve got completely bare models already available, and the ability to pull the armor from the existing models off, and preserve the underneath texture perfectly

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM

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i've been saying lightforged etc would be an allied race when they shipped that stuff in 7.3.2

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM

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You get a lot of people being toxic to races people want which make sense for example High Elves on the Alliance, people argue over races that should be added or not added, causes tension people being toxic to each other

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM

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but alas

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 AM

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I mean we knew about lightforged as some sort of subrace since 7.3.0

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:48 AM

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right, 7.3.0 sorry

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:48 AM

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To be fair though, High Elves don't bring anything new to the table.

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:48 AM

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Allied races are not meant to bring anything new

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:48 AM

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hIgH eLf FaNs ArE tOxIc 🤔

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:48 AM

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they are not meant for new outstanding races

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:49 AM

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They kind of are?

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:49 AM

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and Dafire you are pretty toxic yourself so 🤔

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:49 AM

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sad

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:49 AM

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allied races kind of made the whole race system pretty vague

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:49 AM

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@urban dew The allied race system was meant to bring in allied races quickly, and old races which never got added or would be added as a main expansion race

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For example Dark Iron dwarves

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We'd never have seen them as a playable race

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without the allied race system

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:50 AM

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definitely

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:50 AM

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Okay, so why would all this insane work be put into Sethrak and Vulpera if they aren't going to be an allied race, one of the main features about this expansion?

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:50 AM

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they could have been, but it would have been much more effort for blizz

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vulpera are going to be an allied race imo

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based on stuff in client

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:50 AM

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I'm not denying sethrak and vulpera not being an allied race

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I never said they wouldn't happen

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:51 AM

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sethrak could easily be character race 37, but so far nothing (tangible) points to that

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:51 AM

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but Allied race aren't meant for anything ground-breaking and super new, Lightforged draeni,Dark Iron,Void Elf,High mountain tauren,nighborne etc all prove that

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:51 AM

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You do know a main reason reason Blizz introduced allied races was so that they don't have to dedicate a lot of time and resources to making a new starting zone, right?

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Thats another reason not the only

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:52 AM

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I mean, I think sethrak fit into that category of not particularily incredible, both are animal races that live in the sand, and have either shamanistic or nomadic tendencies. All the allied races, future or speculative, have their own little difference but in the end theyre all easier to make races than what we're used to getting

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:53 AM

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if sethrak are going to be an allied race, that'd be 8.1 or higher content

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likely 8.2 at this point

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:54 AM

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8.1 is supposedly Kul'tioran and zand

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:54 AM

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or there would already be references

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:54 AM

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that's what we're speculating 8.2

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Actually, Sethrak and Vulpera have a likely chance of being as early as late 8.0

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:54 AM

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i doubt sethrak will be in 8.0

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vulpera can be switched on tomorrow, sethrak need a lot of tech work still

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Allied races come out based on story, not major content updates.

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:54 AM

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well,I think blizzard knows not to saturate with too many races,

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:54 AM

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yes, but i'm just talking from a technical standpoint

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:55 AM

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Uldir takes care of their three main threats 3 weeks after Xpac launch

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 10:55 AM

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Lots of people are assuming, for some reason, that the Vulpera will be Horde, which is fair enough, but the Sethrak make zero sense for the Alliance, both lorewise and thematically/aesthetically

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:55 AM

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I mean Im betting theyre gonna be the HM/LF of the xpac, we meet em at the beginning, once we solve their problems they join the factions

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:55 AM

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What do you mean lorewise they won't make sense for Alliance?

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:55 AM

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their society's values are the same as the alliance though

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:56 AM

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And the point of their appearances is to fill a role that both factions lack

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:56 AM

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sethrak are night elves, but scaly and in a desert

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:56 AM

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and with a home

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 10:56 AM

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Unless there's been overwhelming changes (which is possible) last thing I saw about them is that they're preying on the Vulpera and enslaving them or some such.

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:56 AM

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oh oops

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:56 AM

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Appearance wise, they defiantly don't suit alliance, but I think Birbsenk mentioned them having similar to alliance motives

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:56 AM

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hating furries is a perfect alliance trait

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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That's faithless

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Worgen and Pandaren 🤔

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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There's two factions of Sethrak right now

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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ya we hate em

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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Devoted and Faithless

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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murloc

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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cough you haven't played the zone yet cough

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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8.0 is pretty much done content wise imo

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they're already working on 8.1 maps

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sethrak won't be an allied race earlier than 8.1 based on current models

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:58 AM

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I believe their holding their models until 8.0 at the very least

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 10:58 AM

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I really doubt we will see vuleprea/sethrak allied races in 8.0 or 8.1 but thats my thoughts

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8.2 or 8.3 seem more likely

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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I dont think anyone thinks they will be

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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Yeah, it's all my speculations

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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i dont think they'll do something as drastic as add a new character model at this point

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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8.1 is for Kultiran and Zandalar

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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8.0 is mostly locked in

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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But from what's going on, that's what I think

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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8.2 Vulpeera Sethrak and maybe updated Worgen and Gobelin models

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8.3 something else

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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GOBELIN

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 10:59 AM

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that seems like a pretty fair guess

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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junker gnomes and whatever their counterpart ends up being

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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8.3 = Void Ants and Lightforged Beetles

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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based on the leaders in the embassies

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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8.3=Ant Elves

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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Apparently junker gnomes aren't anything special, just gnomes.

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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we havent seen them in game

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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they do have some generally race specific assets tho

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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so we dont know what they are

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:00 AM

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so might end up being a thing, we'll see

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:01 AM

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We saw them on an island expedition I believe

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:01 AM

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don't think that island ended up shipping

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 11:01 AM

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I think it;s probably to early to speculatge 8.3 allied races

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:01 AM

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theres a map named after them, never been finished

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 11:01 AM

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for all we know a whole new area could emerge with a whole new ass pulled race

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:01 AM

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I think it's a bit too early to speculate 8.2 races

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:01 AM

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ass elves? murloc

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Really, we don't know about anything past 8.0, except that Azshara is fought in 8.1

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:02 AM

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and that there's a raid related to zuldazar in 8.1

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or atleast i think it was that map

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:02 AM

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there is

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Maybe something like ToV

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:02 AM

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likely the ToV mid raid, will allow them to separate the raid by faction

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due to it not being progression important

karmic scroll Jun 21, 2018, 11:03 AM

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ok, so does https://bfa.wowhead.com/item=164334/plundered-blade-of-northern-kings come close to most gorgeous sword inthe game?

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grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:03 AM

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They liked the ToV experience in Legion, I think they will at least at 2 mini raids, second one may be the one with gnomes

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:03 AM

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ah yeah, ZuldazarRaid has/had description 8.1 Raid

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some of the other map names have me semi hyped

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hopefully that'll end up being something

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:04 AM

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8.1 will likely add a new zone (Nazjatar?) and Zuldazar raid and its counterpart, 8.1.5 is Azshara raid

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:06 AM

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Yeah, 8.1 is Azshara, we know that much

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:06 AM

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Azshara is 8.1.5

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8.1 will add new zone / quests

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 11:06 AM

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🤔 🤔 can't wait for the shitstorm if they go vashjr 2.0

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:06 AM

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With a datamined raid map of Zuldazar

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:06 AM

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just like 7.1 and 7.1.5

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Zuldazar is likely a mini-raid happening with 8.1

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Azshara raid is 8.1.5

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:07 AM

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is nazmir a raid?

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or well, a known raid

ruby star Jun 21, 2018, 11:07 AM

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What about Mak'aru khadgarface

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:08 AM

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uldir is the raid in nazmir

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:08 AM

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ah, righto

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shows how much i know outside of what i see in client

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:12 AM

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I think Zuldazar raid will be shared by both Alliance and Horde. It may be the counterpart of Siege of Boralus

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:13 AM

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I think we theorized some that Hakkar might make a reappearance

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:13 AM

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I thought the siege was a dungeon? and that it was shared by both sides? O.o

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:13 AM

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yes

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it's a dungeon

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:13 AM

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We haven't seen him since he was set free after Jin'do

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:13 AM

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I think they more mean the counterpart to getting to attack the enemy faction

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:13 AM

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Zuldazar raid can be shared by both sides too

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:14 AM

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Ah not as in an actual dungeon counter part

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just thematic

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:14 AM

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yes

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:15 AM

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I would love to see Arakkoa come back though

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Especially as an allied race

strange falcon Jun 21, 2018, 11:16 AM

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BIRB

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:17 AM

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Ye

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Birbs for all

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:18 AM

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👍

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:19 AM

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https://gyazo.com/ce45885a8891b15edaa044ef09d6f418

Gyazo

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interesting, ferrys can fill in the gaps of flight paths

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:19 AM

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do you literally hop from a birb to a boat?

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how does that work

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:20 AM

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testing now

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:20 AM

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https://mms.businesswire.com/media/20180405005311/en/649923/5/World_of_Warcraft_Battle_for_Azeroth_Collectors_Edition.jpg

When I think about this I think it make sens if Tortollan are the end of expansion neutral allied race

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:20 AM

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i'm all for tortollan race but i know there's a lot of hate out there already

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sooo maybe not

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:21 AM

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theyre a kinda generic "old collector" race

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:22 AM

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They'd be cool, but I don't think armor works on them

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:22 AM

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yet

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double armor yo

urban dew Jun 21, 2018, 11:22 AM

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Plus Blizz says they don't want to do another neutral race

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 11:23 AM

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To do a neutral race in an expansion that they're pushing heavily as being one about faction conflict above all else would be a bit strange, I think

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:23 AM

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That's why I was thinking about it being at the end of expansion when the war is over

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 11:24 AM

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That's to assume the war will even end

stiff vector Jun 21, 2018, 11:24 AM

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world of temporarywarcraft

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:27 AM

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If Tortollan became a neutral allied race :

Horde Pandaren meets an Alliance Tortollan and start fighting
Tortollan : Why do we have to kill each other?
Panda : Dunno, why did you choose the Alliance?
Tortollan : Dunno
Panda : FOR THE HORDE
Tortollan : FOR THE ALLIANCE

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 11:29 AM

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If we meet any races with hunches, we can safely assume they'll ally with the Horde

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By virtue of Orgrimmar being the only city on the planet with a chiropractor

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:31 AM

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it's not a chiropractor that they have

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it's a new orc hottie walking around

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 11:31 AM

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crazythinking

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:32 AM

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I see someone didn't see the poke lines from Geyrah =C

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 11:32 AM

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Can't say I did, no. But there is very much a chiropractor in the city come BFA

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Nah. She states that "The orcs here all started to stand up straight as soon as I arrived." :p

frosty matrix Jun 21, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Pff

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:33 AM

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so the implication is that they started doing it to impress

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Are you talking about Geyah or Geya'rah ?

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:35 AM

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Geya'rah.

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I keep forgetting the A

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:35 AM

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murloc

agile token Jun 21, 2018, 11:40 AM

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uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:40 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/f5faa2fc1a1edad30827b674d090a789.jpg

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hard to appreciate the details from a modelviewer

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I love his new armor so much

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:41 AM

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this remind me

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that Sylvanas is still using that old model mount

uncut vault Jun 21, 2018, 11:41 AM

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actual in game shading helps the baby cheeks look a ton

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https://i.gyazo.com/f40ff26858900eb21a1d99838f3d5de5.png

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:41 AM

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they need to change it

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:42 AM

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there's not a new skeleton horse is there?

grizzled sleet Jun 21, 2018, 11:42 AM

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Sylvanas is still using that old undead horse model even in the prepatch events on ptr

hollow dock Jun 21, 2018, 11:42 AM

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yea. she's always had it. Since there's no new model