NO STOP IT, I DON'T WANT TO SACRIFICE MY HEART OF AZEROTH TO REMOVE YOUR SWORD CORRUPTION
#beta-ptr-spoilers
chrome compass
Guys it's alright... I'll just stab Azeroth with Ashbringer... Surely it's holy power will help right?
late plank
Well i mean the servers just went down
hollow dock
oh hey the PTR just went down
late plank
Yea PTR, beta, and Live are down for NA at least atm \
hollow dock
here's hoping so we can rip it apart of how they make the night elves incompetent.
again.
grizzled sleet
It never happened :x
hollow dock
they had plans for it
doesn't mean it'll happen
in which I dont think theres a female version of a void walker
those are just lumps of void energy that gained some sentience
tranquil steeple
2011
hollow dock
and since imps are made from imp mothers, I dont think they're really getting a female form.
Incubus woul dhave been cool.
female felguards would have been weird.
near cosmos
why do the pretty graphics make me want to play a warlock in bfa 😦
terse patrol
Incubus incoming?
near cosmos
no-one can take my slootybus from me
hollow dock
it snot honk
grizzled sleet
They were coming, but we defeated the legion so they went back home
near cosmos
it snot indeed
grizzled sleet
it snot
terse patrol
if only
grizzled sleet
demon hunters demonic forma are incubus
tropic trail
good morning
sullen dagger
yo
sudden oak
does that mean that If I mind control a DH in meta with my priest I have an incubus? 
tropic trail
Question, how in the hell do Vulpera make sense as an Allied Race?
Besides the Goblin Animations
hollow dock
#1: They're recuited into the horde, would be easy to implement as they're already tagged with all the required animations and even have some custom ones that other NPCs simply don't have.
#2: Relevant to the story. as said above, you work with them all through Voldun IIRC.
those are really the only things needed for it to be added in as an allied race
frozen dust
#3: rake in the furry cash the worgen missed
tropic trail
Hey guys, any discord for BFA Beta raids and groups for testing?
i really couldn't find any group/guild established.
either than chinese
worgens arent mean to be the furry race
pandaren are
but furries play them anyways
frozen dust
Yeah
tropic trail
Thing is though, sax, that Pandaren whamen are actually cute.
Unlike Worgen females.
summer cobalt
Worgens are just WoW humans that are furries that fulfilled their dream
tropic trail
Petition to rename Altered Form to Fur suit
frozen dust
8.1 patch notes: Darkflight (I think that's right I've played a worgen like once) renamed to Glomp
tropic trail
Oh god
summer cobalt
OwO
tropic trail
Worgen visual update
sullen dagger
Oh god pls no
tropic trail
they have a tail
hollow dock
Worgen deserve tails
let the furries enjoy themselves
and let my worgen finish his existential crisis
frozen dust
bangs fists on table WORGEN TAILS WORGEN TAILS WORGEN TAILS
hollow dock
joins in the banging
sullen dagger
Mire like worgen update
sullen dagger
They need better models overall
tropic trail
To be honest I'd rather worgen tails than vulpera
sullen dagger
Y
hollow dock
I'd want both as I support their cause.
frozen dust
And as far as vulpera go, I don't necessarily expect an allied race, but I'm gonna be maxing out my rep and getting ready to race change my undead warlock
hollow dock
the Tauren are also furry
frozen dust
Just in case
hollow dock
Sax he still has me on ignore
frozen dust
Rofl
hollow dock
remind him of the OG Furry race
the Tauren
and the highmountain tauren are by extension also a furry race
sullen dagger
High tauren someone?
tropic trail
what about em
hollow dock
Tauren, highmountain tauren, Pandaren, and worgen are all furry races
sullen dagger
Since blizz dont give Us high elves
hollow dock
what's one more?
omake Rys has me on ignore tell him about the four furry races we already have
hollow dock
LOL
tropic trail
I know
sullen dagger
Tauren, Highmountain Tauren, Worgen and Pandaren
tropic trail
while Pandaren are purposely furry
tropic trail
Its hard to say tauren are furries though since they're more "badass" than cute
plus no furry wants to be a walking talking cow/bull
hollow dock
uh
sullen dagger
They aré badass af
tropic trail
Most furries dress up as foxes or wolves or something
cute animals
big ass bull isnt cute
sullen dagger
Man the spellchecker si driving me nuts
hollow dock
tell him that Minotaurs and 'Bears' exist.
sullen dagger
Heh
hollow dock
Bears being big burly men
tropic trail
I think the thing about furries is that they're "cute" (if you can even call them that 🤢 ) and "goofy".
While tauren being based of minotaurs are actually a legit fantasy race.
frozen dust
Zandalar are scalie sugar daddies
sullen dagger
Not really
tropic trail
Worgen though wouldnt be Furries if it wasnt for being walking talking wolves. (Furries love wolves and foxes some reason)
Pandaren are totally furries though! Cute, goofy, and anime dances.
sullen dagger
Furries do their fursona kinda lotsa edgy and emo-y
frozen dust
I blame Starfox Adventures
frozen dust
I mean if we're going by edginess than worgen RP wins by a country mile
sullen dagger
I think they will release that as a full fledged race
sullen dagger
Too much work
sharp bluff
You blame Starfox adventures for furries or the edge? @frozen dust
tropic trail
Y'know, furries dress up in normal clothes and have very "cute" features like large eyes and shit.
sharp bluff
Cause you can blame Lola Bunny in Space Jam for furries, and I think that happened first lol
tropic trail
Tauren dress up in fucking badass tribal armor and shit.
Pandaren however...
Anime dance
Large eyes
"Cute" features
tropic trail
Also they are named PANDAREN
which is panda
with a ren after it
Only scenario where pandaren dont look that much like a furry but then again this isnt like it is in game.
tropic trail
but I think a big giveaway though is that furries dont dress up in cow costumes
tropic trail
This looks like a furry
sullen dagger
Hah
tropic trail
you'd be surprised how many rude people are in this world... heh
tropic trail
so if I play a tauren therefore im a furry
hollow dock
not at all rys but they are a furry race
sullen dagger
If you rp with that yea
hollow dock
They have to be anthropomorphic for it to be furry Omake.
tropic trail
I dont see anyone roleplaying as tauren furries though
hell I see more people rping as worgen or pandaren furries
sullen dagger
I mean i do play with a worgen and am aint no furry
tropic trail
I guess technically tauren are "furries" because they're anthropomorphic animals but I feel like there's more to it that makes them not really a furry.
sullen dagger
They have to be anthro but not very close to humans p.e elves
frozen dust
"Oh that's just Vris, the tackling worgen druid with Alzheimer's"
"WHO AM I" >WHAM
tropic trail
Hell if you go around in real life asking people who know who furries are if tauren look like furries, they'd probably answer no.
and if you sit there and tell them all about taurens and they're lore. They'd still say no
sullen dagger
Rys strikes again, the electric boogaloo
tropic trail
shit I dont know that meme
sullen dagger
Shame on you
tropic trail
Look I'll just say
if tauren are furries
draenei should be too
they need to use ent forms again on druids
sullen dagger
Why?
tropic trail
ents are a big part of fantasy
and Its a disappointment not seeing them much anymore
also it couldnt hurt to have a nature form for druids instead of an animal form
sullen dagger
Races arent furry dude people who plays them do ir dont aré. Races aré anthro or humans or whatever
You ha ve the terms mixed
tropic trail
my point was that draenei furries are ridiculous
like tauren being furries
also y'all found my weak spot so im trying to find y'alls
tauren ftw
also RIP my history
filled with furry stuff now
hope someone doesnt have to use my computer
sullen dagger
Did you saw riley's trip to walmart looking for foam?
tropic trail
me? no
tropic trail
I main humans RN
frozen dust
That moonkin form is sick
sullen dagger
I'm sticking with fury warrs
sullen dagger
They feel friggin awesome in the beta
deft geode
servers down ???
sullen dagger
Yes
gaunt helm
@sullen dagger I main Fury warrior and they are just getting Better
frozen dust
I've only played one fury warrior, my LF draenei, but I'm enjoying leveling her
gaunt helm
I main Alli
sullen dagger
Alliance ftw
gaunt helm
I have 2 Warriors one for horde and one alli
tropic trail
Im glad Kul Tirans have druid forms
so the nasty alliance players dont put their greasy fingers on my beautiful zandalari trolls
gaunt helm
ya it looks weird
sullen dagger
Id play them but the females look not that good
Instead of look strong and resilent they look just plain overweight
sullen dagger
What why?
tropic trail
Oops I didnt see the last part
I thought u were saying the zandalari females look bad
sullen dagger
Ah nah
gaunt helm
Is beta down?
tropic trail
giving me the impression you're one of the people that can only play female nelves, humans, belves, velves, and draenei
aka the "pretty races"
sullen dagger
They look twiggy as hell
tropic trail
people like that
sullen dagger
Just the complexion of the boda males me cringe
tropic trail
speech 100
tropic trail
I wish more people played the strong female races
like orcs
even if they aren't as "pretty"
gaunt helm
I know love orcs cause they stand tall
sullen dagger
And thats not encause the female model in the main part
tropic trail
Basically what happens when you take nelves and humans
sullen dagger
A lot of people dont like anthro
tropic trail
aka the most popular races before
sullen dagger
Male nor female
tropic trail
belves
tropic trail
I get that but there are non anthro races people dont play as much
also fem orcs didnt hunch
to begin with
firstly
dwafs
secondly
orks
thats it
most other are anthro races
also
is it bad that video wasnt as cringy?
hollow dock
The only anthro races are Draenei, Tauren, Pandaren, Worgen. For player races anyways
tropic trail
sorry for the wall of text
open silo
Any info why servers are offline?
hollow dock
New build most likely
open silo
that early?
tropic trail
tl;dr im pissed that everytime I go into my class hall on my dwaf shammy I just seen a bunch of fem draeneis
nothing else
frozen dust
Sounds like a nice problem to have
frozen dust
Also, aren't the draenei supposed to elicit tieflings and not necessarily literal goats?
tropic trail
they're like space satyrs
hollow dock
Yes they're supposed to be tieflings
it's more a technical anthro since they do have fur around their hooves.
tropic trail
but why do female draenei have horn options
and not males
in fact only a few of their hairstyles have horns
frozen dust
It's like plumage on a bird
The more ornate your horns, the more of a futa dominatrix you are
tropic trail
Oh nevermind I looked it up
apparently female draenei have horn options
because of handlebars
but in all seriousness
Pandaren will always be, in my book, a mistake of a race
I think worgen should've been the furry race
hollow dock
they're all a furry race rys
tropic trail
I would totally a support a naga race though
female update to make them more closely resemble a mermaid
I know, I know "they're supposed to look hideous"
Like a Siren
Lure them in then turn out to be a monster
basically like a modern day trap
zealous basalt
there are mermaids, sirens, already
tropic trail
Oh really? In WoW?
hollow dock
yes. In BFA
hollow dock
Sirens are in BFA as they are in Witcher 3
'beautiful' women that turn into monsters
tropic trail
Naga have a better chance of becoming a race though, and they make more sense as the mermaid race.
hollow dock
Naga are more snake/fish-like though
zealous basalt
"Don't listen to them men."
Tho the thing i don't like is how they added a woman between the turmoil
Weren't the mermaids in legends only effective with men?
tropic trail
I dont know
hollow dock
Nope. As far back as Greece, women were sirens/mermaids
Since its the whole trope of women being temptresses
tropic trail
I can say though, being servants of the old gods, probably lure men into the ocean to feed on them.
Or some wicked shit like that
frozen dust
Completely unrelated to the current topic, but do we have any idea if Calia will show up in BFA?
tropic trail
Also wasnt there some legend about the first siren being a beautiful women cursed
Like Azshara
frozen dust
The Greeks just sort of had a thing for cursing women didn't they
zealous basalt
i tell you
hollow dock
yea the greeks were heavily sexist
tropic trail
I have a bad habit of reading blocked messages
its like they want you to click them
fucking discord designers
hollow dock
Looking through the siren legends out there, no there isn't one that was beautiful and was turned into one.
The only one that does show up is Medusa. :x
tropic trail
Either way I think races from mythology should be added in World of Warcraft
but given the "warcraft touch"
hollow dock
Most have been.
tropic trail
I know but it's like they're steering a different way now
cough vulpera
cough Pandaren
hollow dock
rolls eyes Rys, they just added in Siren's. Legitimate Sirens as they first appeared.
They can still add in more silly races AND mythological races
tropic trail
I mean playable races
hollow dock
Only by the community. :p there's no other hints other than what the community pushes
frozen dust
I dunno, they just gave nelves of both genders bikini armor. That's as close to "the Warcraft touch" as you get
hollow dock
If anything, blizzard has more so leaned on them not being playable.
tropic trail
I mean warcraft as in make them an "original" race
like how worgen are just werewolves
hollow dock
No race in Warcraft is original
tropic trail
I mean change them up enough to make them original enough to be a wow race
hollow dock
The worgen are a more interesting take on it, taking elements of Underworlds Lycans and applying them into the werewolf mythos
but Pandaren being wise masters of serenity and the martial arts is the common trope amongst all fantasy that includes them.
since pandas get the idea of balance across just by looking at them. Black and White fur
tropic trail
Im just sayin
that I would like races
that have a fantasy feel at least
pandaren dont really give me that fantasy feel
hollow dock
That's perfectly fine.
I subscribe to the idea that you don't need every race to appeal to you.
tropic trail
I regret saying anything
hollow dock
Like no horde races appeal to me. They don't give me the same fantasy vibes that a night elf does.
tropic trail
Actually
Pandaren are the least played race
and more people hate em
half of the people that like them just joke around with them
hollow dock
That doesn't change what I said?...
Yes I know a lot of people are unhappy with them, that doesn't mean EVERYONE hates em. Yes they're the least played race, doesn't mean no one is playing them.
tropic trail
Pandaren are like that one stain on a new clean shirt.
hollow dock
Again, to you.
tropic trail
I feel when most people hate something compared to how many people like that something
frozen dust
There are people that are unhappy with Nightborne, but I'd die for mine
tropic trail
the creator of that "something" darn goofed
Blizzard could think up the worst race imaginable and there'd be at least one person who likes it
frozen dust
But enough about Batman v Superman
tropic trail
doesnt mean its right
hollow dock
So for that one person, you're saying they're wrong because you don't like it? :p
tropic trail
If blizzard didnt add pandaren to begin with, those few people that like pandaren wouldn't have been disappointed
hollow dock
Yes they woul dhave? they don't get to play the race they want to play
tropic trail
because, to be fair, there were only like 2 pandaren in the games
hollow dock
Why are you assuming for everyne?
tropic trail
most people didnt know pandaren existed
and if they did, from the games, they probably didnt expect pandaren to become playable
frozen dust
Personally Pandaland is my favorite zone to level in
hollow dock
Again I'm not stating you're wrong.
But I don't think you should blanket your answers as if you speak for everyone
tropic trail
bringing something new to a game is not BAD
but something as goofy and ridiculous as pandaren just doesnt really belong
karmic cairn
are the beta servers down?
frozen dust
Let's be fair, Malfurion was in the game before pandas and that man's aesthetic is as goofy as it gets
tropic trail
their land is just panda - ria instead of something original
hollow dock
ther'es so much that's already utterly rediculous in the game that we're OK with
but pandas is just to far?
Here lemme get the post
tropic trail
because its a playable race
hollow dock
frozen dust
I love that post
hollow dock
it's so great
tropic trail
gnomes and goblins make sense for being goofy
they're supposed to be the goofy races of azeroth
frozen dust
"Have you seen what Malfurion Stormrage looks like" kills me every time
tropic trail
pandas take it too far
hollow dock
elune fucked a deer
varian wrynn split into two people and did the super saiyan fusion dance to become whole again
this isn't to silly btw
pandas are
tropic trail
also most of that stuff is based off mythology
never seen no mythology where pandas walk and talk
and drink a lot of beer
hollow dock
No mythology actually had orcs either. Or the elves we see in WoW.
tropic trail
at least in dwarf mythology that perfectly summarizes them
hollow dock
those are from Tolkien.
hollow dock
They aren't halfbugs.
Dökkálfar
or Dark Elves
Ljósálfar
or Light Elves
One dwelling above ground, the other under.
hollow dock
those are the norse elves Rys
hollow dock
[11:21 AM] Ryswell: Nelves are a lot like norse mythology
[11:21 AM] Ryswell: cant remember what they're called
uh
Remember what I said yesterday
about being clear?
tropic trail
Night elves are like creatures I remember from Norse Mythology which I can't remember the name of.
hollow dock
Yea the Dark Elves is their origin of inspiration
tropic trail
After you pointed that out, I pointed out that I didnt think about that and you're right about how they resemble them
Or in other words
a nice catch
Also isnt alexstrasza's outfit just a copy of sylvanas'
and ysera's
just recolored
hollow dock
So what other beast in norse do they resemble?
other way around Rys
Alex and Ysera's were first. Sylvanas was second.
tropic trail
Right
There were tree nymphs in norse mythology
that practiced tree magic
and are very religious
hollow dock
there is the scandonavian hulder. Which might be what you're referencing?
though those are more in line with Succubi and sirens
tropic trail
Vættir
hollow dock
Oh those are the gnomes.
tropic trail
True
Night elves probably resemble nymphs and shit more
they have greek architecture and whatnot
zealous basalt
But gnomes arent like the norse gnomes
hollow dock
Korean and Roman.
Nah not in behavior, but in looks. At least, one of the dipictions of the Vaettir more fits a gnome. or the pixies.
tropic trail
here's an image of Vættir
hollow dock
https://media.snl.no/system/images/8111/standard_nisse.jpg this is also an image of a Vaettir
tropic trail
I know
hollow dock
since they're spirits they take form of multiple things
tropic trail
thing is though about this post
Is that that guy dumbs down the other things to make them sound like memes
while he doesnt even have to bother dumbing down pandas
because they're already a walking meme
hollow dock
pandas is the meme reference
since we wanna dumb it all down, we dumb it all down
Cow people turning into cats
that is tauren turning into cats
we refer to them as cow people regardless of them being tauren
tropic trail
true
I guess what im trying to say
is that these are little things that you have to spot
compared to pandaren
which are so easily spotted
and such a bigger mess than the other things
hollow dock
Not really?
If you see alexstrasza for the first time
you think that outfit is ridiculous
tropic trail
to be fair she is the aspect of sex
tropic trail
aspect of life oh well
tropic trail
elves just wear slutty things, it's expected.
hollow dock
british werewolves turning into cats
tropic trail
would you consider the nelf female armor a meme? NOT THE MALE
hollow dock
that's also not hard to notice
Goblins and Gnomes are NOT hard things to miss
literally all the things listed are plain as day things that we just omit
tropic trail
To be honest though it's more complex than that
hollow dock
it really isnt
you're making it out to be just so that your 'cool' races aren't just as silly as the thing you hate :p
tropic trail
I hate worgen
hollow dock
which again, it's not wrong to hate something. Don't like it or enjoy it. But don't force it. Just don't like it and move on until it's a relevant topic.
tropic trail
Well walking pandas isnt bad, I agree
its just that they're too cartoony
if blizzard were to make them more serious looking
with more serious lore
hollow dock
They do have serious lore.
tropic trail
I would've thought differently
hollow dock
Probably the most dark lore out of all the races they've made so far.
It's just their in game representation is very goofy
which does make me sad.
hollow dock
Again thats not lore, that's just the in game representation. :p
If you're talking about their story and such, you'd be talking about Shao Hao
hollow dock
If you had said that from the get go we wouldn't have had this longwinded discussion
tropic trail
Okay what's ridiculous is that they ride cloud serpents
hollow dock
they look goofy riding them yes.
tropic trail
no i mean lore
the lore about how they started riding them is goofy
but how they look riding them is goofy too
hollow dock
Why? They tame them, Cloud Serpents are animals, and use them against the invading zandalari
to match their bats and pterrodax
tropic trail
That part is alright
its about the first pandaren cloud serpent rider
her story is so darn goofy
tropic trail
I mean before the battle
I mean when she was training him
as a kid
and found him
that lore
hollow dock
It was in one of these battles that Jiang nearly perished at the hands of a troll spear. Just as the weapon was inches from her heart, Lo came to the rescue.
The serpent, only half grown, swooped in and ripped the troll limb from limb. He then gathered up the wounded Jiang and flew her far from the battle to safety.
When she was well enough, Jiang approached the leaders of Pandaria's defenses. These were the great warrior monks who defended the land from the trolls and other dangers.
She tried to explain to them how serpents could help, how Lo had saved her, how she knew how to turn the tide of battle.
But her words fell on deaf ears. The monks were mired in their own wisdom, and chose to continue their defense in the way they sought fit.
Jiang did not give up though. This rejection only fueled her resolve.
Several days later, the Zandalari had pushed in from the coast. It was on the great bridge near Dawn's Blossom that the pandaren champions stood their ground. With an effort they tried to hold back the trolls, and were losing. The Zandalari numbers were vast, and their bat riders fought in such a way the pandaren had no counter to. All hope of victory began to fade.
And then what should appear to the eyes of an onlooker? Ji riding atop her friend Lo!
The two friends swooped in, plucking the Zandalari from the bridge and striking down their bat riders. None could stand before the fury of these two friends.
The war would still take many months to win, but this was the turning point. Soon Ji was training other pandaren how to ride as she did, upon the backs of other serpents.
Jiang and Lo were heroes! From that day forward, the serpent became a symbol of hope to the pandaren people, and the Order of the Cloud Serpent was founded. To this day they protect and serve all of the Jade Forest.
How?
it's literally a fable
The fable of 'Not all beasts are monsters'
Like ya know. Normal chinese mythology
it actually has a story that's similar to this
tropic trail
I see you dont know what im talking about but ima just drop it because Im getting aggravated
hollow dock
How is it silly? Please explain in full.
hollow dock
This is the founding of the order of the cloud serpents rys
tropic trail
Im talking about where she is a kid
hollow dock
During the Zandalari Wars just after the founding of the Pandaren Empire, a young girl named Jiang was walking through the Arboretum when she heard a noise. A small cloud serpent lay there on the ground, injured and near death. With a mother's gentleness, Jiang took this small creature in to her arms and in to her care. She named him Lo, and they became fast friends.
This was much to the lament of the common people. Serpents, you see, were feared as monsters and wild animals, both cunning and dangerous. The townsfolk shunned Jiang, and begged for her to get rid of Lo before he became old enough to hurt her.
One day, the Zandalari army had pushed as far south as the Jade Forest. Monsters from the sea, these trolls launched an attack against Pandaria. Jiang answered the call to arms, and defended her people on the beaches.
this is the first part of it
tropic trail
and she finds the serpent nearly dead
hollow dock
this is the lore behind it.
How is it silly to take in a dying animal and nurture it to full?
That's how I met my cat.
tropic trail
of course you have a cat
hollow dock
I have a lot of animals.
2 dogs, a cat, a parrot, and a rabbit.
So Rys, how is her finding a cloud serpent and tending to it and saving its life silly?
tropic trail
because the way they describe it, is like it came straight from a disney movie
hollow dock
Disney movies describe it as it mostly happens in real life?
A person finds an injured animal, the animal is grateful, the animal sticks to the person who saved its life.
It happens down at the animal hospital a lot.
tropic trail
yeah but the way the describe it is like it came straight from a disney movie
hollow dock
Well yea. Disney has a bit of a monopoly on that cliche.
but it's certainly a cliche not solely disney's.
tropic trail
Well let's just stop at the part where you said their in game representation is bad
hollow dock
It is. Compared to the lore and build up of the pandaren, it's a damn near insult.
tropic trail
Actually one more thing
Their starting zone is exactly like an old disney movie
hell, mulan is more intense than it
and the cinematic even makes the horde and alliance seem goofy
hollow dock
They are?
tropic trail
Take Battle for Azeroth cinematic for example
hollow dock
like the horde and alliance are meant to be goofy. Unless you want to accept the reality that a bunch of adults are acting like little children with the lives of innocents in the crossfire of their hissy fits
tropic trail
then compare it to the damn pandaland cinematic
hollow dock
Where a human, exausted and weary from his wreck, fights an orc. And the orc is just an orc. He's barbaric, forward and heavy with his hits.
While a pandaren, which is Chen, is a monk. He knows how to throw peoples weight against them
That's how they beat the Mogu in the first plac
place*
It's literally the trope of 'the monk can avoid such sloppy fighting'
tropic trail
Well Humans and Orcs are a bit goofy, but they are more complex than that while the pandaland cinematic only shows the stereotypes
Kind of like the hearthstone cinematic
hollow dock
Yea. It's supposed to.
That's what you see in game
these two aren't lore characters so making them stereotypes isn't really an issue.
Plus making them drunk in a bar at the end of pandaria was great
tropic trail
Well let me give you an example
take the vanilla cinematic for example
dwarves, tauren, all fighting
yes?
hollow dock
Yea. Orcs are all smashy smash. Elves are all mystical and nature. Humans are throwing pwer around recklessly.
tropic trail
now put that same dwarf from the first cinematic in the pandaland cinematic and they'll just show him acting like a drunk slob with an insulting scottish accent
hollow dock
I'd probably giggle at it.
I certainly wouldn't think less of the character, that's hw they want to paint it. Doesn't mean it represents all dwarves.
Like Muradin is still Muradin. Despite this 1 dwarf being goofy.
hollow dock
Yes it's goofy.
If nothing in WoW should be goofy
you need to stop playing this game
tropic trail
Not saying it shouldn't
hollow dock
Cuz Warcraft has had goof in its races, ALL races, since Warcraft 1
tropic trail
some lighthearted goofiness is alright in my book but it's a world at war
its war and people dying
hollow dock
Chen in that cinematic wasn't in war.
tropic trail
I think cinematics like that are better suited for games like hearthstone
hollow dock
The human and the orc were fighting to survive against this new threat
which is what happens in game.
It's an accurate representation of everything.
tropic trail
its sad that our arguing is most of the activity this server gets
tropic trail
true
I like goofiness sometimes
but I like to think of wow as a more serious game
hollow dock
Well I can't tell you how to think
I never saw WoW as a 'Warhammer 40k' or something like that
It's always been this sorta light-hearted fantasy war world.
tropic trail
like the spikes in orgrimmar are kind of cartoony, which Im fine with, but a whole expansion thats kind of goofy
hollow dock
to me at least.
tropic trail
eh
hollow dock
well that's the thing Rys
tropic trail
never played warhammer
hollow dock
you're now labeled ALL of Pandaria to be goofy
even though it's small secluded parts
that are actually goofy
tropic trail
"a whole expansion thats kind of goofy"
thats why I said kind of goofy
thought about that same exact thing
hollow dock
For me I don't see pandaria as goofy at all. Just the representation they gave to pandaren was a little to much on the joke side than serious side that they wrote their lore around. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Would love to have seen more Shado-Pan or Golden Lotus. Jade Serpent Temple as well.
tropic trail
true
hollow dock
the actual more serious pandaren
tropic trail
I Want a third faction
"but wait that wont happen for blah blah blah"
Doesnt mean I cant still wish for one
hollow dock
I would love to see a third faction as well
or a neutral faction that players can join
Sadly, I just don't think it'll ever happen.
meager warren
Neutral faction is my biggest dream for WoW
meager warren
But yeah, may not happen ;(
tropic trail
I've grown used of you and peach always shutting down every little thing I say
hollow dock
It's the miscommunication between the two.
since you don't always explain everything out, peach doesn't read all that often inbetween the lines.
spiral carbon
Neutral faction... You forgot a common language too.
hollow dock
I mean.
opal arch
classic wow gonna release with bfa ?
hollow dock
Common is already the universal language
tropic trail
No
hollow dock
no Iconx
opal arch
noice
meager warren
Hey, here's an idea when blocking people.. you can just not click that button that lets you read their shit
meager warren
And?
meager warren
Okay.
hollow dock
He was asking you to explain your points but you just kept deflecting them off.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic trail
to be fair he was being very demanding
and he was typing much more than everyone else
ETA on Servers Back?
hollow dock
None kesen
tropic trail
if me and him were talking in real life he'd probably cut me off every sentence
hollow dock
Nah. It's just easy to do that when typing.
meager warren
You'd both cut each other off because you're both annoying.
But i'd say that you're way more annoying than peach
tropic trail
Can't really
Waiting for a download
Only thing I can do is type here
already did everything else
downloads lag everything else for me
meager warren
I'm sure you haven't thought of everything.
tropic trail
Im not saying peach is bad if you're thinking that
peach is alright, I just dont personally like him
Hey guys, anyone know a Horde or, well, even alliance guild in the Beta that actively tests Raids, Dungeons, etc etc etc
No, sorry. Maybe someone else here does
Good luck though
hollow dock
plenty are Kesen
but they're either raiding guilds from live
or they recruit when testing opens
tropic trail
Well when peach gets back on I'll be happy to apologize
he could've went without the harsh language yesterday though
tropic trail
this server isnt nearly as bad as other servers I been in though
mint holly
@tropic trail saw one advertising yesterday on Sylvanas, want to say the name was Legion
maybe do a /who Legion on that realm and see what pops up
Horde, btw
tropic trail
@mint holly thanks, will do once realms are up, Horde side here
neat idol
New build or just update?
hollow dock
no idea nico
neat idol
What are the chances of going back on some changes on Demo?
cunning reef
What is BFA like so far? I'm curious and excited for the newest xpac
mint holly
Awesome mostly. Starting areas, like the main bases, are a bit confusing to navigate at first, on both sides really. Questing is smooth tho, and dungeons are ok so far. Some of the quests are fun, others are just fetch and grind like normal.
hollow dock
it's pretty great!
mint holly
The class changes, for the ones I play at least, are ok.. on my hpriest I can tell more of the stat squish and talent changes than I can on the dps characters I play
hollow dock
Classes are looking good for the most part, number tuning needs to happen for final judgements, the quests are all fun and give a lot more story
viscid bobcat
I'm mage and happy (except for arcane, poor thing)
tropic trail
way to rub it in our faces, eh?
mint holly
Also, I like the profession changes. I may be in the minority there though. My first piece of advice though would be to know of the scrap-o-matic, and rather than vendor the greens/blues you don't want or need, scrap them for the crafting material
cunning reef
What are expeditions like? If you guys have done that yet, if not it's fine.
What sort of profession changes are there?
viscid bobcat
I'm excited for professions, low lvl caps means everyone will have one now (maybe less protifable then?)
Ive done one expedition but it was the solo intro one.. so kinda dull
But im very excited for the actual ones
mint holly
The first notable one is that professions are per expansion now, and only go to 100. MoP, WoD, Legion, etc.
viscid bobcat
You can speak in certain languages that only certain races can speak
Only Orcs understand Orcish, everyone understands commin if you're the same faction
common*
mint holly
yes, void elves can talk to blood elves cross faction.. thought that was really cool honestly 😄
viscid bobcat
Oh I didnt know that, makes sense!!
hollow dock
Yaaas
cunning reef
//highfives Vris
hollow dock
//highfives Silv back
forest tartan
void elf males look like they are infected with a disease that urns them into drani
hollow dock
the fuck are drani
tropic trail
so how do you swap inbetween languages?
forest tartan
elf instrumentality project
tropic trail
say I want to talk to dwarves without humans knowing what I've said
how would I do that?
hollow dock
On the chat thing right.
the little bubble that shows you the list of emotes
it should also have languages there
cunning reef
So what are the allied races like?
Oh really? Elf instrumentality project?
viscid bobcat
Yea it's just a chat filter basically
forest tartan
forced evolution
hollow dock
perfect* evolution you mean
forest tartan
if u want to call somthing desgined by humans perfect
viscid bobcat
Also demon hunters and pandas can speak cross faction apparently
neat idol
If you have a Void Elf and it ins't called Fabio, you failed.
hollow dock
Yup
zealous basalt
wat to heck is that reference
hollow dock
since Pandaren and demonic are neutral langauges
viscid bobcat
That's neat, never knew those little things
hollow dock
that both sides have
viscid bobcat
Ye
viscid bobcat
Lol
neat idol
Locks can't speak Demonic?
mint holly
Racial languages, not class specific
not sure why DH don't fall into that category though
neat idol
Shame on locks
hollow dock
no Pandaren is the language Rys
tropic trail
I was joking
Really cool, I didn't know that
Love that you can speak different languages
forest tartan
pictoforms lol
forest tartan
strange falcon
i cant unsee it
tropic trail
what is that though
strange falcon
it's better that you dont know the depths of the memeverse
forest tartan
google loss meme
rich apex
is this
neat idol
Wait, i want to know the memeverse underworld
strange falcon
🤔
hollow dock
that's a deer not a goat. O=
tropic trail
It's both
forest tartan
stag body with smug billygoat face
strange falcon
cataclysm malorne 🤔
tropic trail
spirit animal
neat idol
I want beta up 😦
strange falcon
more or less
mint holly
beta realms still down for everyone else?
velvet heron
yeah, looks like it
hollow dock
fuckin loss
tropic trail
more or loss ftfy
neat idol
I cant decide on a class for alter, i´ve tried almost all ranges
neat idol
🔫 🔫 🔫 🔫
tropic trail
What's the problem?
strange falcon
@hollow dock druids are master race class,fite me
hollow dock
DKs sorry bub
neat idol
And the one that liked me more was arcane
hollow dock
Arcane is wonky
strange falcon
dks dont even have an healing spec or a ranged spec
hollow dock
Unholy spec Dafire~
hollow dock
30 yrd range on your main ability, ghoul applies stacks that are popped on your scourge strike that's ranged
and with Outbreak being ranged, you're diseased at range
it's a shit playstyle but it's still ranged~
strange falcon
just because a few abilities have long range doesnt make it a ranged spec
tropic trail
marksmanship have traps so therefore they're melee
strange falcon
in bfa,you have a 40 sec cooldown that makes half your abilities ranged
as far as i've seen
hollow dock
and my ranged abiltiies aren't on a CD
neat idol
How is Fire mage? I tried but couldn't get used to it
tropic trail
It's alright
neat idol
Dafire said that
hollow dock
Rys, not everything is about you :p I was talking to Dafire.
neat idol
lmao
tropic trail
lol
I havent tested fire but there arent many big changes so Im guessing it's going to be alright
I dont think it's going to be OP or anything
or shitty
hollow dock
pheonix fire is gone so. It's just kinda meh.
untold fractal
phoenix flame turned into a talen, which was a mistake
strange falcon
isnt phoenix flames back as a talent? or they changed that
untold fractal
it should have been made base line
strange falcon
@untold fractal well,i may be wrong,but i recall blizzard saying that they would make some talents baseline if they are really needed
like if their pickrate is too high
untold fractal
hopefully, that would be nice
i would like to see phoenix flame go baseline and cauterizing blink change from an azerite armor ability to a talent
phoenix flames has just made itself so much a part of the rotation, that its just unrealistic to not choose it now
and its an integral part of a firemages aoe rotation
untold fractal
I havnt touched arcane during legion, so I cant offer any observations there
hollow dock
Aluneth's mark wasn't like
that important
for rotation issues
it was just extra aoe damage
tropic trail
A lot of people who taught me arcane told me that it was important
for the rotation
but I guess not
hollow dock
In terms of making arcane work as a spec, it wasn't
in terms of getting top of the charts, it is
Like Pheonix Flames and Ebonbolt
those are both super important to the rotation
since they give you procs for other spells
and make the flow better.
Aluneth didn't do that.
tropic trail
was the frost dk aa necessary?
tropic trail
it was added
hollow dock
Was it?
tropic trail
my bad
thats actually the legendary thing
dont know why they have a picture of the dk aa
misleading
hollow dock
it's not. O= sindragosa was just one of the golden traits
the DK aa thing is that occasionally some phantom swords come in and stab someone
which is the artifact ability
which was absolute garbage IMO
strange falcon
fishing is the most engaging gameplay in this game HEAVY SARCASM
fkn margoss and his mount
tropic trail
I thought the frost DK aa was sindragosa
hollow dock
Nope
tropic trail
what aa is that then?
hollow dock
on occassion you get random frost swords appearing at your sides
and eventually they stab the target you're hitting
tropic trail
I know that there is an aa where sindragosa comes down and slows everyone
hollow dock
Nope.
Sindragosa was a Golden Trait you'd get
Later on the DK aa procs lowered Sindragosa's CD
but otherwise, it's never been tied to the auto attacks. o;
as far as Im aware
tropic trail
That doesnt explain much
to be honest
because im confused
Okay nevermind
So wait, how is Sindragosa's Fury a golden trait?
arent golden traits passives?
neat idol
I think so
zealous basalt
Passives that are powerful
hollow dock
In the artifact field rys
The path
The table rhing where you put in the poonts
Points*
zealous basalt
They just are traits that modify your rotation in some part by adding either a new passive spell, or a passive effect to your current spells
hollow dock
There are four golden rimmed traits. Those are golden traits.
tropic trail
I know thats why I said Okay nevermind
hollow dock
You asked why sindragosa was a golden. O;
tropic trail
But how is sindragosa's fury a passive
when on the wowhead page
its an active
only classes I have all have passive golden traits
neat idol
Isn´t the first trait a golden one too?
hollow dock
Not every golden trait is a passive. Just most are.
neat idol
What Vris said
tropic trail
OHHH
neat idol
It's a golden, and it's an active