but she would sacrifice the horde
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
zealous basalt
That is horde side?
dense plover
no, the main cinematic
zealous basalt
Ah
dense plover
like the BfA fancy cinematic
she risks her life because she doesnt want to see her troops die
forest tartan
if anduin makes a bad call grandpa gen and grandma janna scold him. if sylvanas fucks up suarfang takes her head in .5 seconds. thats the difference leading
untold fractal
I truly believe that she would. I truly believe that Sylvanas would, if it absolutely came down to her own existence or her peoples, she would choose her own.
dense plover
she has some remorse
saurfang is gone
and saurfang wouldnt do that
he has honor
forest tartan
yea he would read the book
dense plover
you truly believe wrong. literally the cutscenes and stuff
the book says thats what she feels
it doesnt mean thats what he thinks
its literally from her viewpoint
that part
and again
he is gone after siege
and he disagrees with the blight and doesnt attack her then
he has honor
he would not just lash out
he would challenge her
dense plover
i mean she is killing soldiers - for honorable orcs, its fucking awful
forest tartan
the scorge make it the forsaken change the forular all the time
untold fractal
The blight, the thing that literally kills all living things that it comes into touch with, is not a big deal. lol
forest tartan
everyones got the recipe
zealous basalt
That is what garrosh asked her
untold fractal
I can get the recipe for mustard gas, doesnt mean I am gonna use it
dense plover
doesnt make it any less awful
zealous basalt
What was the difference between she and the Lich king
hollow dock
Sylvanas wants to kill everyone
dense plover
not just humans or alliance
forest tartan
lk has magic powers slyvans wishes she had powers like that
hollow dock
its even stated in the book
dense plover
sylvanas doesnt want to kill the horde
hollow dock
yet
untold fractal
^
hollow dock
its an answer you dont like :p
dense plover
you can say that for anything
its a stupid answer
the sky isnt falling... yet
the sun isnt cold... yet
west relic
dense plover
its a bullshit answer for a non-question
untold fractal
It means she doesnt want to kill the horde, at least until they serve her better dead than alive.
uncut vault
for whoever was saying that sylvanas looks upon her soldiers dying with a smirk
I dont call that a smirk
dense plover
im not going to argue this. read the book, watch all the cutscenes, play through the expac, you are wrong
forest tartan
if she had no honor she would have let her bat eat aundiuns face at the meeting
hollow dock
Yes she did
dense plover
no
hollow dock
The book confirms this
untold fractal
She literally wanted to siege stormwind........
forest tartan
she had a good reason
uncut vault
her not wanting a war yet is the entire reason she only kills forsaken in arathi
dense plover
she thinks - i could kill anduin right now - but it isnt worth it
what porter said
vris you are speaking out of your ass
the book literally contradicts you
hollow dock
it doesn't. She wants the war to start on her terms
dense plover
in words it literally says she didnt want to start a war at arathi
uncut vault
its why she killed calia and not anduin. she can kill calia without being the aggressor, because calia isnt part of the alliance
hollow dock
You made it about arathi
dense plover
she wanted to start it when the horde was ready
untold fractal
Porter that is not the reason, the reason is because she made a promise not to kill any Alliance, and she didnt want others withint he forsaken to know that they had a choice.
untold fractal
those were HER words
dense plover
read the fucking book
untold fractal
I DID
west relic
Alright.
hollow dock
I did. She didn't want the war to start up until it was on her terms
dense plover
she literally - in her mind - says that she doesnt want to start a war at arathi
west relic
Let's take a step back and relax.
dense plover
the horde wasnt ready
forest tartan
she didnt plan to kill calia. untill she literally seen her with her own eyes on the field helping the deserting forsaken run away
there was no plan for that
it just happend casue ally are stupid
west relic
@dense plover you're free to discuss openly, but there's no reason to talk like that to anyone in here.
dense plover
im not using those words to anyone, but ill take a step back
sour burrow
Well, some people ARE quite obtuse and need such bluntness. I mean, hell, I at least read through all of that latest Wowhead article, heh.
untold fractal
For one, she killed her own because they had hope that they could choose to not serve Sylvanas. She killed them out of malice, she only refrained from killing alliance members because she was not READY to start a war, not because she didnt want to, because she most definitely does, but becaues she was not ready. There is a huge difference between not wanting to and not being ready too.
dense plover
^
thank you
but she does care about them
early on in the book they bring up stormheim
she didnt want that lantern for heerself
she wanted it for the forsaken
thats not what she says
its what she thinks
forest tartan
well we will never know casue alliance mess it all up
untold fractal
I really dont believe that you can care for people, and then kill them simply because they would rather be with the people they love than serve the horde. This isnt a debate on what the books says, this is an interpretation made by myself, about Sylvanas actions and the reasons for those actions. I believe, which I said early on, that she uses her supposed love of the forsaken as a mask, even to herself, to hide her true intentions.
forest tartan
every forsaken has a choice to live in undercity or whatever. most if not all of them were already soldiers in thier other lives so theres that. hate fueled undead attacking whatever they are pointed at. how elese would she use a tool like that?
untold fractal
If they truly had a choice, she wouldnt have killed them in the Arathi Highlands.
forest tartan
shes got the plague and the valkye power thats it
shes not like raising huge ice castles or resurrecting dragons
dense plover
free will doesnt mean agreeing with those choices
she gave them free will
that doesnt mean she likes their choices
uncut vault
sylvanas explains quite clearly why she killed everyone on the field, not just the traitors. She didn't know if they came back out of loyalty or fear, and she couldn't risk dissention rising in her ranks. Which is a valid, if horrid reason
its not a "she hates them" thing, it's that she doesnt trust them
the only person she hated on that field was calia menethil
untold fractal
Of course not, but she should at least respect those choices. I truly dont understand, if the forsaken truly had a choice to serve Sylvanas, which lets be honest, they may have had that choice in the past, she would not have killed them in Arathi. If ever they had a choice, they most certainly do not anymore.
forest tartan
i wonder if calia will be able to make zombies
untold fractal
Well, obviously the Light can now make undead.
hollow dock
We don't know if she's truly undead no? She just looks like a forsaken
forest tartan
she proly already had the basic priest kit
untold fractal
We do know, "Anduin watched as everyone responded to Calia's- what? Ressurection? No she was still dead. Dark gift? That wouldnt be accurate either because the was the light that had been present that day" Totally undead
rich apex
The text seemed pretty clear that she's undead
forest tartan
maybe she could like bind an undead like a warlock
untold fractal
Lightbound Undead may verywell become a thing
rich apex
And now that she's undead, she can take her rightful place as the Bright Lady
(Lightforged Undead I remain skeptical of, but I do like the concept)
untold fractal
not lightforged... lightbound. I believe there will be a difference
untold fractal
I'm sure. Though she was risen very closely to her death, and did not decompose during that time. I beleive she wont look terribly different
maybe a little grayer
hollow dock
she does have the decomposition doesn't she?
zealous basalt
Dk with white eyes
forest tartan
i cant remember the name of the forsaken priest that helped res Calia. i have a feeling the rogues will get a quest to find him
untold fractal
no, the book was clear that she didnt decompose during her time in death
Archbishop Faol
rich apex
Faol's still chilling in the Temple
forest tartan
rocking that T5
hollow dock
When she's up Red
cuz she asked to look like her people and she looked like one of the Forsaken. Did she not?
rich apex
The intent there is absolutely to make her a Forsaken instead of a human
After an entire book of establishing the Forsaken are people and also the successors of Lordaeron
And Calia specifically noting she isn't a member of the Alliance
forest tartan
i think its mostly yellow and blue
forest tartan
red is rare
hollow dock
what do you mean Grape
forest tartan
the eye color of undead
hollow dock
Oh that.
forest tartan
well undead that have purpose
hollow dock
So far the only ones with red eyes are Dark Rangers. Unknown if that's for all dark rangers or if it's just sylvanas doing it for them
forest tartan
even like, npcs bosses are yellow or blue
hollow dock
Blue tends to be because of the Lich King's influence and Yellow has mostly been non-scourge undead.
as far as Im aware.
dense plover
she doesnt look like a forsaken vris
hollow dock
It's more a 'badge of identification' than anything as far as I've observed
dense plover
calia looks like herself with golden eyes
hollow dock
Alright, thanks for the clarification.
dense plover
but she is undead
zealous basalt
A Light DK
dense plover
pretty much
harsh canyon
Guys
I know how BFA will end
It ends with love
Necrophilia technically
But love
west relic
tropic trail
zoinks
sudden oak
steel venture
yikes
terse patrol
@harsh canyon nice waifu material avatar
kindred plume
After reading the new book I feel like the horde will loose yet another warcheif at the end of BFA.
meager warren
I sincerely hope they do
strange falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419976655021408267/458156174500560906/Capture9.PNG "I searched the sands for years trying to find something I did not know I was searching for. In the light, I have found it. The power of massive shoulders." "When in doubt. Get larger shoulderpads"
tranquil steeple
The Light is strong in this one... (cropped out of Mooclucking's "Beta is Beta" video)
strange falcon
tranquil steeple
#workingasintended
stuck needle
guys, why can't I copy my char to the PTR? there is no copy char button for me ๐
grizzled sleet
stuck needle
ahh...ok thanks
fallow kiln
Is it also normal to have these weird pixels in the ptr?
stuck needle
maybe it's because you have no antialiasing option selected ๐
stiff vector
if you have any graphics issues be sure to report them, they changed quite a bit
scarlet cloak
Hay guys can anyone answer if Blood elfs get the golden eyes in the pre patch. I know you can get upright orcs but not seen anything on the belf extra faces
hollow dock
yes they do.
It's all in prepatch, you can log onto the PTR now to check it yourself
terse patrol
They also get straight backed orcs
tropic trail
Reign of the Elemental Lords then the Reign of the Old Gods
then the Reign of the Trolls
then the Reign of the Night Elves
I guess you can say what was next was reign of the hoomans
so what is it now?
also I wonder how the goblins will react to the zandalari joining the horde
maybe gallywix wont care
sharp bluff
well Gally does try to rob the gold from the city so...
hollow dock
You'd imagine the zandalari have an issue working with their ancient enemy: Pandaren
and that the Pandaren protest the Zandalari
candid salmon
why can't i install the ptr?
hollow dock
What error are you getting? o=
candid salmon
hollow dock
I'd say click on the link and see what's up. I've never seen an error like that.
Unless you have no space on the drive you're installing it to. o.o
candid salmon
"Your Blizzard account does not have the required account to play this content.
If you're trying to sign into a PTR, make sure you've followed the steps on our Public Test Realm article. The PTR may also be disabled in certain regions, such as China."
hollow dock
Mhmm. I think you have to mess around with the account information then on the battle.net website
You do have a WoW account and everything right?
candid salmon
yes
i hadn't created a ptr account
maybe it'll work now
still doesn't work...
or maybe i have to do something more with the ptr account thing
hollow dock
Restart the app and try again? o;
candid salmon
doesn't work
zealous basalt
Shesh
that's a rough thing
Like
there is nothing said
Just a blank
"You can't play this game"
hollow dock
there is more behind it
the flags not there for the account to download the PTR
There's a lot of other people who had the same issue, but making a PTR account on the bnet website and then restarting the app worked for most of them.
Otherwise, I think you'll need to call CS
hollow dock
bustomer service?
restive sage
can someone help me find something out
hollow dock
whatcha want Bung
hollow dock
yay!
restive sage
well
for some reason everytime i switch to direct x 11 it goes back to 12 on its own and i dont know how to stop it
hollow dock
Mhmm. Not sure why it does that. Give me a bit.
hollow dock
Rastakhan is still in lead. He's never been removed. o;
hollow dock
No he has Rys.
hollow dock
he hasn't lied. that is the lore.
zealous basalt
Inb4 we get thanos character
And he deletes half of the world
Including post-vanilla races
restive sage
๐ฎ
hollow dock
while that can't happen in wow since the ya know.
infinity stones don't exist
in WoW.
tropic trail
except thanos exists in wow
hollow dock
Sylvanas is the closest we have to it
tropic trail
as an argus npc
hollow dock
He also exists as a void walker
tropic trail
yeah but this thanos actually looks like thanos
zealous basalt
Thanos loks like heavy weapons guy
hollow dock
I don't see what the punchline was. :x apologies
tropic trail
Anyways my bad
I thought Zulathra was the king
though it says rastakhan ruled for two hundred years
and the pandaren conflict was before the night elf empire right?
zealous basalt
vris
tropic trail
I dont know what the time is
tropic trail
but the night elf empire and sundering and all that
that must've been a long time, yes?
I wish these wiki pages covered that
tropic trail
yeah im there
hollow dock
wowpedia covers a lot
tropic trail
Anyways apparently Zulathra was a leader
because it was before there was only one king
hollow dock
Zulathra is a high priest.
It looks like Tezlekhan or Dazar was at the lead
wait no. Dazar is after the council of tribes
so it's Tezlekhan that was at leader at the time
tropic trail
Zulathra was one of the Zandalar tribe's leaders when Lei Shen rose to power
That's what the wiki says
Guess he was both high priest and a leader
hollow dock
One of the leaders. So I'd imagine that it was a council of tribes then
tropic trail
Im guessing
I doubt rast was a leader then but if you have some links I'd love to see them
trying to learn as much about them before they come out as an allied race
unless youre talking about post sundering pandaren conflicts
hollow dock
alright so it looks like I misinterpreted when it said that Rezan kept Rastakhan alive.
Was only 200 years and not several thousand.
tropic trail
Broken should've replaced LF Draenei
but im guessing Legion wanted to introduce NEW allied races
instead of races from previous expansions
hollow dock
Pretty much. Allied races are supposed to be races relevant to the story.
While yes the Korkrun were there, we don't actually do much with them. Other than they exist. And yes void elves were the same but eh.
tropic trail
Void Elves dont do anything at all
everyone has every right to be mad at them
Krokun do quite a bit I imagine
hollow dock
Im apathetic to them. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
tropic trail
They pledge theirself to helping defeat the burning legion
hollow dock
and nah they don't actually do much other than let us pass through their lands
hollow dock
you do a bit for* them.
hollow dock
and they're horde defectors.
hollow dock
they had the choice to stay and not be exiled
:p
But they continued with void mayjicks
tropic trail
yeah but it would make more sense for the alliance to banish them, rather than the horde
tropic trail
Because of the light
hollow dock
So? Our life source isn't dependant on the Light. Not to mention that half of our society is based onto balance.
zealous basalt
Light and Void can cohexist in perfect balance tho...
hollow dock
Light can't exist without Shadow.
zealous basalt
That's the point of the Discipline priest
tropic trail
Thats true but im just saying that Its more likely for the alliance to exile them
rather than the horde
hollow dock
I don't see how.
tropic trail
because sylvanas exists
hollow dock
The alliance is not hurt by people working with the Void.
Void elves next to the Sunwell
does
it hurts the blood elves
cuz if they lose that sunwell, lotta shits going down. Again.
tropic trail
True, I guess thats proof that void elves are shitty
hollow dock
Not really?
tropic trail
exiled, cause destruction
hollow dock
They dont
normal crow
Hey guys, think anyone could help me with a graphical error?
hollow dock
I have to ask that you don't strawman it. Please. :p
tropic trail
would've if they didnt deal with it as soon as they did
hollow dock
hate the alliance because you just don't like them. don't make up stuff for it
hollow dock
You've said it multiple times LOL
tropic trail
I said I dislike the community
hollow dock
Jesus I can't talk to you for lore.
tropic trail
Dwarf lore is pretty good too
gnomes are alright
were you joking makore?
because she's the one that really likes the nelf lore
hollow dock
I fucking adore night elf lore
until cataclysm
when blizzard hit em with the nerf bat
tropic trail
if you're into old night elf lore nightborne are probably a better race choice
hollow dock
Nah they aren't.
They're cowards and spineless people who care more for themselves than their people.
tropic trail
thats old nelfs
hollow dock
that's the whole reason they became nightborne in the first place.
and no. Old Night elves aren't like that Rys
tropic trail
azshara is like that
normal crow
Hey y'all. So I got the beta last night and ran it this morning for the first time. Whenever I load the game up the environment bugs out. Flashing colors, chunks fading in and out of existence (only visually), icons and random text filling the sky, etc;. It's happening everywhere, and I haven't even left Kalimdor yet. My computer can handle Legion at fairly high resolutions with no problem and I've already updated my GPU. Anyone know of a way to fix this?
hollow dock
The Highborne were, and even then it was Azshara's inner circle that was like that.
Mhmm, maybe tweak around the settings Neth?
Im not one for the technical fixing.
normal crow
In game settings do nothing to it x.x This was my last place to check for help lol.
hollow dock
There might be some other people willing to help
tropic trail
I tried to grow on void elves
like visually, they're really cool
but they just dont do it for me
tropic trail
one of the most important things about allied races for me is growing on them as I do quest lines and what-not
and void elves just lacked in that department
hollow dock
Ah yea you won't like em then.
For me, to grow on a race, I need to roleplay as one.
tropic trail
also most void elves I see walking around stormwind
hollow dock
Get into the mindset and really immerse myself.
tropic trail
they are usually in the sluttiest mogs you can ever imagine
hollow dock
If I can't do it, I don't like the race.
tropic trail
and males look like edgy teens
hollow dock
Can we not discuss your women beating tendancies again?
tropic trail
What?
Half the people here dislike slutmogs, and Im being singled out for it because...?
hollow dock
anytime you speak of slutmogs I immediately am sent to your comment on wanting to play horde to beat up slutmog women. So I'd rather you just never mention it
tropic trail
I dont know how that translates to beating women
but its 2018
so I guess I can expect it
hollow dock
You're literally beating virtual women.
I don't see how that doesn't translate to it
formal coral
Lol
tropic trail
would it be better if I played an orc woman and beat up nelf or human whamen
tropic trail
So youre fine with guys fighting eachother
but not women
in game
not in real life
tropic trail
If it helps I think badly of blood elf men too
and nelf men
I just dislike elves in general
zealous basalt
At least it's not like the other people that just plays as woman with slutmogs
tropic trail
thats what I was saying
zealous basalt
He isnt
tropic trail
I was saying I want to beat up, as a big beefy horde character, people who only play women characters for slutmogs
and she took it the wrong way
hollow dock
There's no real way to take it
zealous basalt
Ah
hollow dock
you want to beat up slutmogged women-characters
zealous basalt
So you want to beat people playing slutmogs
hollow dock
m8 there's nothing to misunderstand.
zealous basalt
No no Vris
tropic trail
kind of, yeah
hollow dock
He never said he wanted to beat up the players Makore
his exact words were
The character avatars
those characters that are slutmogged he wants to beat up
Not the players
tropic trail
thats what I mean by players
hollow dock
and now he backtracks on it
tropic trail
if I beat up a player playing as a slutmogged girl, and it happens to be a girl, then thats whamen beating
hollow dock
rather than just admitting 'yea I messed up on the wording there'
zealous basalt
Either way he is backtracking on his mess up rn
reef magnet
this is a compete screw up. Nothing on the ptr to test out not much info on the patch. Its one of the most horriable role outs i seem .
hollow dock
what we're testing are graphical issues, class changes and flow, and other background systems.
Possible build coming this week to re-enable character copies and continue our testing
tropic trail
you cant copy characters onto the PTR?
hollow dock
not right now
reef magnet
its horriable
hollow dock
They've disabled it
I was able to copy over as wlel
recently it's been disabled as the copy function wasn't working properly
hollow dock
Was disabled yesterday
tropic trail
weird
reef magnet
wasnt much to test
hollow dock
maybe even the day before. o;
reef magnet
this patch is going to suck
tropic trail
weird
dense plover
lol
its a prepatch
there isnt supposed to be a lot of content
prepatches dont have content
tranquil steeple
Pre-patch just wraps up Legion, and starts small things for BfA
tranquil steeple
It's not the entire expansion
reef magnet
there less areas to do then legion
tropic trail
prepatches are like the trailer for the new game of thrones season
reef magnet
3 areas for each side
hollow dock
that's still 6 zones.
reef magnet
thats less
dense plover
no it isnt
hollow dock
If you only play one side, yes its less to do
dense plover
theres 6 zones total
tranquil steeple
And Legion/Broken Isles
tropic trail
they're also updating old zones
tranquil steeple
Was 6 zones
restive sage
๐ฎ
dense plover
and not to mention that the story was the same for both sides in legion
reef magnet
thats less chapters then legion
tranquil steeple
BfA has 3 main isles for each side to begin with, and then expands to 3 more
reef magnet
look at the map you tell me
tranquil steeple
So 6 at launch.
hollow dock
6 zones to explore.
dense plover
ive played the beta
hollow dock
Legion had 5.
tranquil steeple
Add then Argus with 3 more zones at the end
dense plover
you are wrong
dense plover
then you are shooting yourself in the foot
theres 2 stories
you are choosing to only play 1
tropic trail
Kul Tiras isnt good imo
dense plover
thats your fault
hollow dock
I'm playing only one side cuz I just hate the other. I'll just read about the other side.
dense plover
kul tiras is great
tropic trail
IMO
tranquil steeple
Legion had 5 main zones, Broken Shore was accessible, but with nothing noteworthy
dense plover
rys, do you have beta?
tropic trail
Why?
reef magnet
thats my point
dense plover
because your opinion isnt valid if you havent played it
hollow dock
Viper theres 6 zones all filled with things to do
reef magnet
its sucks i couldnt get in on beta
hollow dock
legion had 5 semi-filled zones and 1 empty.
dense plover
its like saying - i dont like the cake because i dont like what this other person said
tranquil steeple
Wait
tropic trail
So if I dont have beta, that means my view of it doesnt count
dense plover
yes
tranquil steeple
are you complaining BfA is gonna suck
dense plover
100%
tropic trail
I dont like sweets therefore I dont enjoy cake
tranquil steeple
where all the BfA stuff ACTUALLY is?
hollow dock
Rys has only observed what other people have said without experiencing it himself
dense plover
theyve seen videos, so they know more than people who have actually played it
hollow dock
You just said you don't have beta
dense plover
you did imply it
tranquil steeple
I'm just gonna outright say it, but get your head out of your ass Viper, and wait until it all goes live, or you get Beta, before you say it's gonna be shit.
dense plover
^^^^
tropic trail
I wanted to see what you would say
see your point without stating if I have beta or not
dense plover
honestly i would say kul tiras individual zones dont feel as exciting compared to the zones in zandalar, but the stories in kul tiras are great
and i love seeing quilboar
hollow dock
I love reuniting the Proudmoore's
reef magnet
i am disappointed in it the highest chaptered in one zone was 10
dense plover
quality over quantity
hollow dock
^
dense plover
1 chapter doesnt have a specified length
hollow dock
Always choose quality.
reef magnet
so once i finish that one what do i do then with it
dense plover
the questing takes way longer
tranquil steeple
You play the rest of the game
dense plover
there is a lot more questing per zone than in legion
because the zones are almost twice the size
maybe 1.7x the size
reef magnet
i will be the judge of that in august
tropic trail
Anyways most people agree Zandalar is better. Though I heard some people say that Kul Tiras is preparing for the next patch which is why it's kind of bad compared to Zandalar
dense plover
i know i wont miss you
ehhh, i would say the thing about kul tiras is it needed more work early on when everyone was first trying the zones
going through the zones now, they are A LOT more interesting
hollow dock
Especially since Zandalar was more or less completed way before kul Tiras
dense plover
kul tiras was started after zandalar
hollow dock
which first impressions are everything
dense plover
^
tropic trail
Also Kul Tiran Druidism is such a small thing compared to Zandalari Druidism
and by druidism I mean druid forms
hollow dock
so it's kinda stuck that it's 'lesser' just because it got worked on later
dense plover
kul tiran druidism is mostly not implemented yet
hollow dock
^
dense plover
theyve been holding off a lot of that story for launch
hollow dock
AS we just said, it's still being worked on or flat out witheld.
dense plover
theres a whole scenario they arent letting us play
on purpose
kul tiras is missing so many scenarios and such they dont want to spoil
tropic trail
August isnt too far away
undone trail
I got a BFA question....how would you rate healing difficulty in BFA compared to Legion?
dense plover
10% harder
tropic trail
thank god
undone trail
eww I'll stick to tanking and dps then lol
tropic trail
finally healing is a challenge
hollow dock
Nothing is a challenge rys
dense plover
^
hollow dock
no game is ever actually 'challenging'
tranquil steeple
10% harder.. so I'll still likely sit at 90% mana as I do in Legion
dense plover
playing a class shouldnt be a challenge
hollow dock
you just have to learn it
dense plover
^
hollow dock
When you learn it
reef magnet
they should make it easyer to heal yourselfs
hollow dock
it's easy
tropic trail
Im talking about PVP not raiding
dense plover
we arent
reef magnet
specially some dps classes it harder
dense plover
i havent played any pvp
i dont play pvp
i dont know what the balance is like there
tropic trail
depends
reef magnet
furry warrior cant even heal yourself you have to eat
tropic trail
has all the shitty cc been nerfed?
hollow dock
You can talent for healing can't you?
undone trail
idk maybe it's my lack of experience or something but when I tried healing on my 110 pally, same pally I tank M+ no sweat, but tried healing a heroic and I was stressed out ๐ฆ
reef magnet
tell me what i did wrong
hollow dock
and bloodthirst heals you baseline
zealous basalt
Stop
dense plover
blood thirst too
zealous basalt
Saying that classes suck in the freaking pre-patch
tropic trail
You didnt do anything wrong prince
zealous basalt
They aren't tuning
tropic trail
They just like arguing
hollow dock
We aren't
tropic trail
arguing in this channel is a thing
dense plover
we arent arguing
zealous basalt
For level 100
hollow dock
We aren't arguing LOL
tropic trail
Im already fitting in
reef magnet
noo with the the class
hollow dock
We're informing Viper that there are healing
dense plover
literally fury has a baseline heal
zealous basalt
Fury has the attack heal
dense plover
and a talent to add more
zealous basalt
And with certain taletns
hollow dock
Bloodthirst and Victory Rush are healing in the class. (VR is a talent)
zealous basalt
it has a big ass heal
dense plover
^
tropic trail
was monk cc nerfed?
dense plover
monks still have their heal
tropic trail
Please tell me it was
restive sage
how many players have the bfa beta
tropic trail
please please
zealous basalt
No
dense plover
monk cc was buffed
tropic trail
sht
restive sage
like, 60% of players?
tropic trail
Shit
dense plover
they have leg sweep baseline
tropic trail
Thats so dumb
hollow dock
It's like several hundred thousand
reef magnet
bein + dungenons i have a harder time putting out dps and healing my self with eh furry warrior and dps demon hunter also hard
tropic trail
PVP is going to be ass annoying now
restive sage
._.
dense plover
no, it was the talent taken most, and it doesnt do the same thing in pvp
i think its an interrupt in pvp
zealous basalt
...monks cant heal themselves with karma touch now
hollow dock
PVP is already ass annoying
zealous basalt
So
dense plover
oh, you meant ww
zealous basalt
If you die for a monk rn
tropic trail
Yeah
dense plover
see, brewmaster didnt really change
tropic trail
Good
zealous basalt
Brewmaster is fun tho
dense plover
except that healing elixir is on use now
dense plover
it doesnt occur automatically
zealous basalt
Mistweaver is heck
tropic trail
and windwalker is aids
zealous basalt
really fun
dense plover
which means im not taking black ox brew anymore
dense plover
except in raiding situations where black ox brew might be better than healing elixir
tropic trail
TFW out of all the other classes, everyone jokes about my spec and class being the worst in BFA
dense plover
are you an ele shaman?
zealous basalt
What's your damn spec-class
tropic trail
arcane mage
dense plover
it just doesnt feel anything like it did in legion
tropic trail
ele shaman
restive sage
O.
dense plover
itll get better
restive sage
O
dense plover
theyll fix stuff
tropic trail
Not really
dense plover
just dont try to build towards aoe and you will be good
tropic trail
Maybe in BFA
dense plover
everyone tries to make enh aoe - it isnt anymore
tropic trail
but in legion its just spamming the same moves
dense plover
thats all classes
tropic trail
true
tropic trail
IMO mages need to use all their abilities
kiting is darn important
or atleast most
dense plover
thats not the problem with arcane
zealous basalt
You can kite
dense plover
the problem with arcane is that in legion they would build up charges, then blast those charges, then regen their mana then repeat - this is the definition of a burst class
they dont really do this anymore
they dont have mana issues
arcane missles doesnt have the proc stuff
dense plover
its just so meh now
tropic trail
at least im good with frost
I can just go frost
next xpac
I dont do that good of damage as frost
but im a darn good kiter
and that usually ends up to me winning most duels
or fights
hollow dock
I think an issue is that
dense plover
good aoe and crowd control
hollow dock
Rys thinks solely for PVP
dense plover
oh
hollow dock
peach thinks for PVE
dense plover
yeah i have no pvp input
hollow dock
So there's a decent disconnect between the two of you
dense plover
^
tropic trail
Fire is NOT fun for me. Not enough abilities, and the abilities are either instant or long ass casts
hollow dock
tossing 5 pyroblasts isn't fun?
dense plover
thats definitely not true in bfa
tropic trail
Not really
dense plover
fire is fun af
hollow dock
how is lobbing five-ten massive balls of fire at people not fun
reef magnet
so i am guessing there isnt going to be much to do in game of the next 7 weeks
hollow dock
in a chained row
dense plover
fireball flamestrike flamestrike pyro pyro fireball scorching thing
dense plover
pyromaniacs?
hollow dock
I am playing a pyromaniac in D&D
dense plover
fire mage is fun
tropic trail
because I favor kiting over damage
and frost are better kiters
because of their slows
hollow dock
Again that's the PVP talk over PVE
dense plover
pvp hasnt been tested by either of us
tropic trail
Also frost plays kind of similar to arcane in PVE
tropic trail
Maybe not in BFA
hollow dock
It doesn't in legion either o.o
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Arcane is you build 4, dump, build 4, dump, and then splurge phase
then rinse repeat
restive sage
is shaman gonna be weak in bfa ๐ฆ
zealous basalt
those hurt
tropic trail
idk I have to give it a shot
dense plover
arcane doesnt have aoe
tropic trail
arcane does?
tropic trail
arcane orb, arcane explosion
dense plover
thats about it
dense plover
arcane orb isnt baseline
hollow dock
Explosion is. Barrage is good.
restive sage
the beta is pretty much bfa tbh
dense plover
classes arent done bung
restive sage
๐
dense plover
number tuning hasnt been done
hollow dock
its not Bung. In which
restive sage
number... tuning?
hollow dock
Frost has Orb, Blizzard.
zealous basalt
Well
hollow dock
and yes number tuning
zealous basalt
Honestly Peach
tropic trail
You have to build up charges for arcane blast, similar to ice lance and they're instant cast
restive sage
๐ฎ
zealous basalt
if people weren't whining about how incomplete the -fucking- beta is
tropic trail
and they're both aoe
zealous basalt
And instead they would -report- bugs
restive sage
beta looks complete to me /shrug
hollow dock
Ice Lance is random procs
dense plover
arcane blast is multi-target
hollow dock
to do more damage
zealous basalt
This could be a different talk
tropic trail
so is icelance
hollow dock
Blasts isn't
Blasts always generates 1 charge
Bolt doesn't always empower lance
they do not play the same
tropic trail
Oh i thought he meant barrage
restive sage
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dense plover
arcane doesnt have a blizzard equivalent either
zealous basalt
That would be sick
hollow dock
and Frost Orb
dense plover
it would be dumb
zealous basalt
An multi target arcane
hollow dock
dont forget the orb
zealous basalt
What if all abilities have cleave
dense plover
then you would have two specs that are the same
hollow dock
arcane is meant for hardcore ST
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Forst is great for cleave
tropic trail
I love bleakhoof ruinstrider so much
hollow dock
Fire is hardcore AOE
tropic trail
just makes me want a broken
dense plover
it just feels like shit because of lack of mana tuning currently
hollow dock
rys go play horde and stay there like you constantly spout :p
dense plover
that will hopefully be fixed with number tweaks
tropic trail
what does that have to do with wanting broken
hollow dock
They'd be alliance
tropic trail
thats a problem?
hollow dock
You'd be horde
tropic trail
Id play alliance for broken, I would just main horde for the most part
Same for Vrykul
hollow dock
stg?
tropic trail
swear to god
tropic trail
Im totally for being one faction only, but if Vrykul or Broken are ever added as playable races for the Alliance. I'll make some exceptions.
Luckily for me though, the Legion Alliance Allied Races are bad IMO and I don't care so much for Kul Tiran Humans.
hollow dock
you can just say you don't like em and leave it at that ya know
hollow dock
I enjoy it cuz I get to DEUS VULT onto the nonbelievers
tropic trail
Some people like that
Good allied race, just not really my cup of tea
also they lack customization options
hollow dock
theyre coming in BFA as far as Im aware
hollow dock
Extra skin colors, face meshes, hair colors etc.
mint arch
more horses -_-
tropic trail
That's good but I dont think that'll change the fact that they're just normal draenei but gold
hollow dock
it's going to all allied races.
tropic trail
New options or what I just said?
hollow dock
New options
tropic trail
Including BFA Allied Races?
Or just the legion ones?
I could see some more hair options added for Mag'Har orcs
hollow dock
BFa options dont need more adding. They're already in BFA.
tropic trail
So they're complete?
hollow dock
the legion allied races need em as theyre just cut in two for customizations
tropic trail
And not still WIP
hollow dock
So far yes.
hollow dock
Paladin.
mint arch
hollow dock
my votes towards paladins
tropic trail
Are DKs good in BFA?
hollow dock
Yes
tropic trail
If so you should go DK in BFA
hollow dock
Frost and Unholy are fantastic
mint arch
well, no class is "good" yet since blizzard are just starting the number tuning
cept shadow priests and shaman, rip to them
hollow dock
but bteween paladin and monk, I say go for Paladin
tropic trail
In pvp
hollow dock
They're not really that OP :p
tropic trail
youre talking about raiding
hollow dock
well in PVp sure
tropic trail
yes?
mint arch
pvp?
hollow dock
Yes
mint arch
then monk
mint arch
raiding, its hard to tell honestly
we dont know about raid azerite armor
and how that will affect specs
and class tuning is yet to happen
but if u want just based on the talents and shit
tropic trail
why not DK?
mint arch
ww and ret are both looking good for BFA
tropic trail
Absolutely
hollow dock
as an avid DK player, I'll always suggest it but UNholy isn't for everyone
mint arch
unless u mean tanking? then go monk
hollow dock
Monk if you know how to manage it
tropic trail
nelf dk?
hollow dock
Human dk for me. I farm everything on her.
Nelf everything else
Yup
Unholy is fantastic
terse patrol
Happy that unholy is good again.
hollow dock
Frost is great.
hollow dock
It's always had 2 undead it can summon
the second undead is a skulker
and boi it sucks
terse patrol
O
hollow dock
it's uncontrolled, it just auto attacks and its ranged
tropic trail
Tell me if this offends you Vris
hollow dock
Yes
tropic trail
"Malfurion Stormrage must die"
hollow dock
no
It doesn't offend me for the reasons you think
It offends me because Sylvanas thinks Malfurion is actually more important to the Night elves than Tyrande is
tropic trail
he is though
hollow dock
He isn't tho
hollow dock
Tyrande has done so much more, represents so much more,
Malfurion is sure the first druid
tropic trail
he is a very important political member
hollow dock
but as symbols to the night elven people
Tyrande is m ore important
High priestess, a religious leader, a military leader, etc etc etc
A LOT more than Malfurion
tropic trail
basically if it wasnt for malfurion, what would've the night elves accomplish?
tropic trail
druidism is very important though
hollow dock
it is
tropic trail
kind of like how magic is important to blood elves
hollow dock
but you're saying druidism is more important than
Leading the night elven people through three wars
being their religious leader
etc
Which it isn't
tropic trail
without their druid magic they could've fell