I support her evil and antagonist ways
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
restive sage
is world of warcraft getting a new engine in bfa
hollow dock
Me supporting it doesn't change what it is
rich apex
Half the novel explicitly shows that Forsaken are people too
hollow dock
no it isn'tlord
rich apex
Capable of making their own choices
rich apex
(And Sylvie isn't happy about that, because dramatic irony)
terse patrol
I still got my tinfoil hat theory that the Val’kyr raised Forsaken are all gunna Order 66 when the Lich King returns.
rich apex
Nah, it'll just be Darion and the other Horsemen
restive sage
why wont they remake the game
terse patrol
Bolvar: “Thanks for helping me raise a new army, Sylvie.”
rich apex
Obviously
hollow dock
Do you have any idea how many hours, resources and manpower is needed to remake the entirety of WoW on a new engine?
restive sage
people spend 15 dollars a month on it dont they?
sullen dagger
beacuase that was overwatch in its babysteps
rich apex
Exactly
sullen dagger
project titan and all that
hollow dock
Your ignorance is actually offensive to me
sullen dagger
and went to the drain
rich apex
They spend 15 bucks and break the Bnet store on preorder day
restive sage
ignorance?
sullen dagger
so dont expect wow 2 soon or soon-ish
hollow dock
Your ignorance of how making a game works
hollow dock
You're asking them to literally start from scratch
restive sage
yea
hollow dock
on a game that's 14 years old
restive sage
i am
rich apex
hollow dock
Yea Im done
sullen dagger
^
sullen dagger
go play the newest mmo if you want graphics
hollow dock
thank god block exists bois
restive sage
whats the newest mmo
sullen dagger
well, the point is: if you want shinies, go look elsewhere
hollow dock
slap emon block. there's no use in talking to ignorance
sullen dagger
wow is about balancing, fair play and depth of history
sullen dagger
yeah, i'll do that
hollow dock
We're triggered because you want them to stop all production on all of WoW's expansions to remake the game on a new engine despite the fact that WoW has survived for as long as it can because its' been on an old accessible engine so that people that are stuck on PCs from the 2000s can still play this game and thus pay for it. You want them to stop that.
zealous basalt
Me acting as a fangirl as kalec and jaina kissrd
mint arch
didnt those 2 breakup?
dense plover
sort of
terse patrol
kalec and jaina is the worst ship
hollow dock
that's why they broke up
terse patrol
kael’thas and jaina pls
hollow dock
Jaina never liked Kael
mint arch
jaina and the ghost of arthas
hollow dock
that's a worse ship because its actually forced
terse patrol
she actually went to kael’thas before she left for kalimdor
mint arch
was jainaXKael ever shown in game?
terse patrol
and he told her to fuck off for choosing a monster over him 😛
hollow dock
it wasn't shown in the arthas book either. Where it was shown that yes the two met
Kael pursued her often but Jaina just wasn't interested.
terse patrol
Actually
hollow dock
IIRC she went to him to ask for enforcing theramore.
terse patrol
They said Jaina didnt realize he was interested in her apparently.
jaina x thrall is even better than jaina x kalecgos
people actually wanting her to bone a dragon ffs
hollow dock
My question is this: Why can't a woman just be friends with some guys without having to be shoved into a relationship?
mint arch
cause its one or the other with comics, games, and whatnot these days
terse patrol
mint arch
either the woman is forced into a relationship or there is no friendship
terse patrol
i dont want Taelia and Anduin
terse patrol
anduin deserves a dwarf, orc, or draenei waifu
mint arch
draenei
rich apex
Anduin/Yrel will lead the Alliance into a glorious golden age
terse patrol
yrel would be good but i fear she’ll be a raid boss
mint arch
nah, he'll date the female thrall
dense plover
yrel isnt coming back to azeroth
the portal closes at the end of the draenor thing and we disconnect the planet again
terse patrol
we’ll see her again.
rich apex
Not until the Evil Naaru pick her up on their spaceship to invade Azeroth
terse patrol
Trust me.
mint arch
yrel will be back when blizzard force the whole "light is now the enemy" expansion
rich apex
A faction of the Light, anyways
They sure ain't gonna make Anduin evil just because he's a priest
terse patrol
I’m sure the Naaru will want to take Azeroth so they can ensure the Titan soul is Light.
hollow dock
Light isn't and has never been the enemy void.
Xe'ra is literally time number 1 where a character disagreed with a Naaru's plan.
mint arch
i agree
rich apex
A'dal is still 100% wholesome windchime bro
hollow dock
^
mint arch
but its all G R E Y now, so i can see a light is enemy expnsion
rich apex
oh there'll be an Evil Naaru faction for sure
hollow dock
this is the the second time in WoW's history where they decide to make it a focus point
The first being Spires of Arak
rich apex
But that's entirely different than 'actUAllY anduin your faith, hope, and belief in a better world was WRONG haha'
'~morally grey~'
And those arakkoa don't even reference the Light
hollow dock
they just worship the sun. which is basically the Light
and Rukhamar. which embodies the sun
rich apex
There's a fine line between faith and fanaticism
And that is a good theme to explore
But it's still a choice to go that far
hollow dock
and the whole Sun Gods thematic
rich apex
And if the naaru are as much fallible beings as anyone else
Some of them will go too far
Much less dumb mortals
hollow dock
SoA was a pretty subtle way to show that Light isn't always holy and healing, shadow isn't always corruptive and destructive
hollow dock
Anzu
hollow dock
Shadow priests.
rich apex
The newer lore tying the Void to shadow priests kiiind of emphasizes that corruption
Given Knifu and all
hollow dock
In which the Outcasted Arakkoa arent even all corrupted andmalformed because of Void
and they can inhabit the Shadowrealm
grizzled spade
I've got a couple of questions about 8.0 PTR just to make sure everything works for me.
- Were the Legion PTR characters wiped?
- Are characters copies working at the moment?
- Do level boosts work?
Thanks in advance for any answers. Please ping me if you reply.
zealous basalt
Void allied race
steel venture
Arakkoa Outcasts probably were the first and last time they did "non-evil" Void magic rather well.
Alleria and Locus Walker, despite being alright characters at the moment---seem extremely forced with their void usage.
hollow dock
yes they were Veng
no the copies dont work atm
and Im not sure if level boosts work
Locus Walker is a void ethereal. Etherals are already tied to the void.
Alleria seeking out the Void isn't all that forced. Im not sure where people are getting that notion
grizzled spade
Thank you very much for the answers. It seems that nothing wrong is with my account then.
steel venture
I mean.
In case of how more natural the progression for the Outcasts felt, tbh.
Anzu taking them under his broken wings, hiding them amongst the shadows as he had done himself.
I suppose forced is the wrong word, I just---perhaps more contrived? It's not like it isn't some of the better written writing recently with her and Turalyon's developments, but it also feels as if they could've put anyone else in these roles and still have it work. Due to the overarching "Maybe Void isn't bad and Light isn't good." thing that looms over them.
hollow dock
contrived is still forced :p
I'm still not sure where that comes from as honestly
every single role in WoW can be replaced with anyone else
and it still works.
that's just MMO writing
mint arch
seems blizzard want the alleria turalyon relationship to be doomed :/
hollow dock
ignore the fact that they're still maddly in love despite them walking different paths. Nah they're clearly hating each other and wanting to break up
terse patrol
Sha’tar vs Lightbound when
hollow dock
They don't think the same so clearly they're not in love
hollow dock
There is 0 evidence showing their relationship is doomed
mint arch
windrunner comic
hollow dock
if anything, everything shows they want to stay together now more than ever
Void
do you not understand how your namesake works?
It plays on your hates, your fears, your insecurities, your darker thoughts, anything it can do to sway you into its control.
It'll say anything, show you anything, do anything it can to achieve this
Alleria has no control over what the whispers tell her, she has control over her own actions to receiving the whispers.
steel venture
hearthstones aren't uncommon anymore in lore
steel venture
they're literally using them as coasters in dalaran now
hollow dock
^
steel venture
and there's a box of surplus hearthstones with a few they've spilled out that you can find in dalaran too
hollow dock
Turns out Hearthstones aren't that hard to make
steel venture
They weren't, it was just originally hard to get the material.
But as WoW progressed it became easier and easier to fine the stone needed. (Which IMO: I think it's literally just Leystone. That'd explain why there's so many made now in Legion especially.)
And it'd make sense with the magical properties, since the stone needed for hearthstones never has actually been named tbh.
zealous basalt
Ah
mint arch
well, my name has nothing to do with the void from wow xD
but i was just tryin to find the damn post with the comic in it -_-
finally found it
anyways, i ain't saying its 100% doomed, but imo, shit is gonna happen
alleria: "... but my family is broken. Here... and in stormwind."
steel venture
and?
steel venture
the comic literally shows that the void = intrusive thoughts
mint arch
u miss that part where she mentions stormwin?
steel venture
consistent, annoying, intrusive thoughts
hollow dock
HERE AND IN STORMWIND ya know. Where SHE LIVES
hollow dock
You're misinterpreting what the comic is entirely about.
steel venture
if you know anybody who deals with intrusive thoughts
you know they deal with a ton of annoying, unlikely-to-occur, thoughts.
mint arch
nile, not talking about the void whispers
steel venture
but you're also using the void as a basis of "Shit going down"
??
earlier with the convo?
hollow dock
yea we've moved on from that. We're not talking about the fact that Alleria's family is in tatters. Her family that's in stormwind separated and broken off from the rest of her family
which is the windrunners
mint arch
that is 1 way of interpreting that
or u could say she's talking about her own family back in stormwind
im just saying~
steel venture
the windrunners literally are a legacy of death, destruction, and loss.
hollow dock
again ignore the context of the sentence and sure. You're absolutely right
hollow dock
who cares about context
hollow dock
context don't matter
steel venture
who totally was slaughtered
and also their cousins, their mother, literally everyone important in their family was maimed or killed in some way
etc
mint arch
"I fought for a thousand years, believing my family would still be here when I returned. But my family is broken. Here... and in stormwind."
she's talking family
hollow dock
Ignore that context bois. the entire comic is about her family.
steel venture
You know the "In Stormwind" bit is PROBABLY refering to the fact that EVEN THE ENTIRE ALLIANCE THOUGHT SHE WAS DEAD?
mint arch
so?
steel venture
Or do ya not remember how she's kind of freaked out about having a memorial statue of herself.
hollow dock
context doesn't matter nile
mint arch
why would she care what alliance thought?
steel venture
Or do ya not remember how she's kind of freaked out about having a memorial statue of herself. x2
hollow dock
there's a reason why its called brothers and sisters in arms
mint arch
cause she REALLY cared about the alliance
that they are family xD
and not that family referring to husband and son
mint arch
that can not be a possiblity
hollow dock
that Turalyon
and Arator
are at any form of bad mood
with Alleria
why jump to that conclusion
If anything
mint arch
so why mention it?
steel venture
Arator is extremely happy to have his parents back like what're you smokin' m8?
hollow dock
the start of the comic shows THEY STILL LOVE EACH OTHER DEEPLY
hollow dock
Shows don't matter, nor does context
mint arch
wtf u on about?
hollow dock
A BROKEN FAMILY HATES EACH OTHER VOID
steel venture
So it's not her family with Turalyon that's the thing she's refering to.
mint arch
im literally saying this line CAN possibility indicate some drama/shit in future, its curious she mentions "and in stormwind" when talking about family and broken family
hollow dock
Because she's military. She's alliance. The alliance is currently in disarray until Before the Storm and the Burning of Teldrassil happens.
steel venture
because she's alliance and all of the sisters used to be alliance and veressa, alleria and sylvanas now are all at the throat due to their differences.
mint arch
das cool, ur taking this line to mean entire alliance
but thats ONE possible interpretation
to deny any other, its like :/
mint arch
... jesus fcking christ i know what the overall comic is about
im talking about this one line
hollow dock
Again void. We deny the others
because
there's no proof
to go on
other than a 'maybe'
mint arch
did i ever say this is the only meaning of the line?
no
u can be right
she might be talking about the alliance in general
but imo, its more personal when she's talking about family
hollow dock
We only said 'Yours doesn't make any sense for the context of this point in time'
which you keep ignoring
mint arch
yes yes, just lay it out clearly when im not typing
pls
dont say context of the entire comic pls
hollow dock
Turalyon and Arator are greatly happy to see Alleira. The beginning of the comic. Every single instance of Alleria nad Turalyon together shows they are madly in love. Where is your proof to go on that Alleria's family of turalyon and Arator is broken?
A broken family being a family that doesn't talk to each other, hates each other, or ignores each other or any combination of the three.
mint arch
ok, then u havent understood my point
i am NOT saying they are a broken family right now
i agree, they look to be fine and are happy
hollow dock
You keep saing its a 'MAYBE THEY IS LATER' but ther'e sno proof for it
mint arch
but my point is that this line is interesting choice of words, she's saying broken family and makes a point to pause and mention "and IN stormwind"
so im just saying it COULD mean turalyon
hollow dock
And then because you think it COULD be turalyon
I rebuttle with 'where's the proof'
and we're back to square one
hollow dock
Proof supports your jump to say it's Turalyon
mint arch
its a vague ass line
...
family is broken
here
and
IN
stormwind
IN
her family is currently IN stormwind
hollow dock
So I ask again. Where is the proof that it's specifically Turalyon and Arator that's broken?
mint arch
can u read english?
IN
stormwind
unless im mistaken, turalyon and son are IN stormwind
hollow dock
I can. However, EVERYTHING ELSE WHEN PLACED IN CONTEXT OF THIS SENTENCE CONTRADICTS IT
mint arch
sigh
again, im not saying her family is currently broken, i.e. husband and son
seems u think i am saying that
i am saying, she can be referring to her family in stormwind in the context of mentioning her "broken family" i.e. the sisters
and there is the possibility of stuff going on between turalyon and alleria with the whole void/light shit
hollow dock
I would buy into it, if we didn't keep getting updates with the two still being in love and happy together
mint arch
meh, expansion hasnt started yet so of course they'd be showing em happy and perfectly fine right now
after all, they did just return to azeroth after 1k years
hollow dock
Why would she reference her family being broken in the future when she's reminiscing of current states of affairs 🤔
mint arch
who knows, maybe deep down she feels this way
the void thoughts could be influencing her in some small way
hollow dock
I had already told you how the void works and covered that subject
mint arch
i know
but u really think she's 100% in control and not open to suggestion?
even if its lies and whispers
its constant
and she's always fighting it
hell, she says only arator keeps her sane
hollow dock
She's always going to be fighting the whispers but as seen with Sylvanas
when the whispers align with her outburst
that's when it'll take over, even for a moment
But when they don't align, that's when she's able to stay in control
as seen all within the comic
she was trained specifically for several hundred years to do this Void
mint arch
trained sure
but she didnt have the void being in her for hundreds of years
real thing is different to training
obtuse token
will the burning of teldrasil be an actual event in game?
mint arch
yes, in the pre-patch
sharp bluff
Vris are you debating the void talking to you? Are you a Velf? 😆
obtuse token
do we know why it happens yet?
mint arch
we know sylvanas attacks/invades teldrassil
but we dont know how the tree burns
blizzard have not shown anything in that regard cept that one small WIP cinematic thing
ppl are saying next week might be when that scenario is finally released in the PTR
obtuse token
but why did sylvanas attack?
mint arch
lol
well, i havent seen the latest version of things, maybe shit has changed yet again
but it was "to capture the alliance leaders and kill them to prevent the war from happening"
and something about azerite being shipped thru teldrassil or something
and then there's the whole, she wants one continent for horde one for alliance
obtuse token
well at least it's not Garrosh's reason for bombing theramore: "I'm just orc Hitler now"
mint arch
i mean
it kinda is
she thinks invading teldrassil and killing the night elf leaders will somehow make alliance not go to war? -_-
obtuse token
but garrosh had even less of a reason to bomb Theramore
mint arch
i think the line is that she thinks anduin is gonna eventually attack the horde
which is dumb, cause of all ppl ANDUIN?
so she goes so paranoid that she invades teldrassil
and leads to innocents dying and a tree burning as a result
zealous basalt
...voidox
Did you listened to the audio drama of Alleria, Turalyon and the army? What you are implying is covered there, when she had to choose
Also
Why is this book making me cry
Rip Anduin's alfred
zealous basalt
Yes, and even so they are aware of that, and they love themselves...not counting the millenia they spend in there
mint arch
sure
but its only recently that she actually absorbed the void naaru
i dont think its gonna be smooth sailing for these 2
zealous basalt
It is why I am not worrying about them
Blizzard writes stories for characters when they are heavily involved in the plot
Tho atm when I'm reading this
mint arch
meh
she thinks of herself
and how to save forsaken since it saves herself
and id say, how she thinks is basically "ends justify the means"
hollow dock
I mean
you dont have to think that
Highmountain recruitment, she outright says to the Highmountain that everyones expendable
mint arch
the horde are dumb, ya
mint arch
first interracial marriage in wow?
mint arch
gotta be "diverse and represent"
mint arch
lul
sullen dagger
well, we can always have momma sylvannas to kill and raise
sharp bluff
first interracial? what are those Half elfs then?
meager warren
Gnoblins? Gnome + goblin?
Would they be horde or alliance
sharp bluff
we have some half orcs
sullen dagger
i mean, gnomes are the evilest thing out there
mint arch
but then elves and humans are basically the same, so it didnt come to mind
sharp bluff
half space goat/ half orcs
sullen dagger
we have the female quarter orc
she was born from a half orc half draenai + a half human half elf
garona?
or i'm mixing guardains of the galaxy there?
mint arch
um, u might be mixing
sullen dagger
nope, she's that
dense plover
garona is half draenei half orc i thought
mint arch
garona is just half orc half draenei no?
dense plover
and she looks half human
sullen dagger
it was her son
mint arch
her son is no longer canon
dense plover
they said she was half human
sullen dagger
her son with medivh was the quarter
dense plover
in canon she has always been half draenei
mint arch
ya, that kid is no longer canon
hollow dock
the fact that she looks human is because of her half draenei lineage with orc
sullen dagger
Garona Halforcen is a half-orc[1] half-draenei[2]
hollow dock
People thought that she was half human due to looks
sullen dagger
wut
hollow dock
She looks like a half human half orc.
dense plover
it makes her look like a green human
sullen dagger
the son aint canon now?
dense plover
which is what guldan wanted
hollow dock
Yea.
dense plover
yes, medan isnt canon
hollow dock
He's not been canon since Chronicles came out
dense plover
^
hollow dock
He got 404'd
hollow dock
Thank god in all honesty
sullen dagger
well, yeah
but imho her story is full of horseshit
"i dong go to the alliance cause they wont let me in"
ye sure
we have voidlings everywhere now
hollow dock
Her current reasoning for going back to the horde sure
but in Cataclysm she was working with the horde
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mint arch
uncrowned gonna stab sylvanas~
sullen dagger
(x) doubt
there gonna be a nice bogaloo
and blizz gonna pull some thing from the hat
dense plover
uncrowned are a neutral org
they arent horde or alliance
thaat doesnt mean those people dont have faction affiliations
sullen dagger
like" yeah, she was fighting the baddies since the begginning, and she is the tru saviour, let he rsacrifice for you"
dense plover
ya
sullen dagger
but her reasons to not going to the alliance are kinda bland
rich apex
I mean
mint arch
her reasons for JOINING either faction is -_-
she can work for either faction, thats fine and she's done that
rich apex
Out of her surviving friends
Khadgar is neutral
And Turalyon's all for going back to war with the orcs
terse patrol
I'm happy they made Alleria and Turalyon Alliance again.
Horde players complain about their heroes dying.
Well.
The Alliance's heroes always end up going neutral.
sullen dagger
alleria and turalion aint kinda a thing anymore
if it was for him alone, yeah, he's in love with alleria
she in the other hand... not so much
hollow dock
She's still madly in love with him
sullen dagger
rly?
hollow dock
yes
sullen dagger
tought otherwise
sullen dagger
the comic, mainly
hollow dock
Did you not see the relief when they finally met each other on Argus during our campaign?
Where he's happy to see her return?
sullen dagger
i percieved that she was kinda distant
even with the wispers
she's all in with her son
wait lemme grab the thing i'm speaking
rich apex
I mean she's hiding the whole Void thing from her husband
About the Void whispering to her that she should murder her husband
Puts a bit of strain on her
hollow dock
Probably doesn't want to tell him 'Hey the voices are telling me to murder everyone'
hollow dock
I mean. Words aren't an issue
hollow dock
your argument was that her family was broken
rich apex
I mean presumably it's a compulsion to do what the Void says to do
mint arch
no it wasnt vris, pls
sullen dagger
hollow dock
his argument is that Alleria's fallen out of love with Turalyon
sullen dagger
that
rich apex
Otherwise its' not much of a whole struggle of will
hollow dock
oh it is the broken family thing
mint arch
i repeatedly said i wasnt saying her family was currently broken
hollow dock
Yea I just had this with Void
sullen dagger
she says that her family in sw is broken
mint arch
and no, i didnt say her love has fallen out
hollow dock
Scroll up like 20 minutes prior
sullen dagger
and that arator is kinda her pillar r/n
sullen dagger
i think she's caving into the whispers turalyon-wise
mint arch
hmm, i wouldnt say caving
sullen dagger
nono, there's no proof whatsoever
sullen dagger
but that sentence can lead to think that the void or maybe the contrast light / void they have is a kinda heavy burden
and maybse she's weary?
about the "obey the light thingy"
hollow dock
I dont see how this means she's growing distant to her husband.
sullen dagger
so she'0s having doubts and the void is using that
mint arch
not even doubts
u can say, deep down in her heart
the void whispers are having an effect
or w/e
sullen dagger
i mean this is a phrase, in a comic, we shouldnt look for a deep peaning
hollow dock
cuz its a stretch as I'm reading it
mint arch
sure, ya, it can be a stretch
sullen dagger
and all this is theorycrafting for bonkers 101
hollow dock
since there's nothing to support the claims
cuz
that's how you get the 'Jaina is a dreadlord' thing going
mint arch
no
hollow dock
and I'm really fucking weary of another thing like that happening
sullen dagger
nah se aint dreadlord
mint arch
jaina is dreadlord is a meme
hollow dock
It's a meme that people took seriously
despite there being no evidence or support to it
mint arch
cause those ppl are memeing
mint arch
or dont care and just thought it would be cool
hollow dock
there are people who legitimately believe she is a dreadlord
they've made entire documents dedicated to proving it
that's not memeing at that point
sullen dagger
i think horde-y people want to make ¡important alliance npc's look not so "good"
so they theorycraft about that
and that's one of the reasons
hollow dock
I know she isn't Omake, but the whole 'theorycrafting on nothing but a hunch' creates these stupid things that spread like wildfire
and make it harder for everyone to get the story straight
sullen dagger
yeah, loke tuskarr playabl race
playable*
and they go on and on till that becomes a meme
hollow dock
so I'd rather it just not be done and avoided like the plague
sullen dagger
it was a feeling i got and started toverthinkling
hollow dock
with thousands of other people in the discord.
sullen dagger
nah that's kinda crazy
hollow dock
people still think it's true
they go so far as to actually say she's all war promoting because of it
sullen dagger
and an overwhelming reeason jaina cant be a dreadlord is that
kalegos can "smell?" mana print in people, amiright?
mint arch
so already this is different, cause we're talking about words alleria is saying in a canon comic
the jaina shit was just dumb
and forced
based on absolutely nothing
hollow dock
yes but the point of me brining it up
is that both dont have any basis, rhyme or reason behind them
sullen dagger
so if in befor the storm they reunie and he's not like "OMG SHE?S A DREADLORD HER MANA IMPRONT HAS CHANGED"
hollow dock
and as I said, I'd rather not theorycraft without some evidence to support it
sullen dagger
she aint dreadlord
mint arch
i dunno, u really think light/void is gonna be smooth sailing?
sullen dagger
their love is epic
hollow dock
Absolutely not. But that's not a reason for the family to break apart and become broken
mint arch
again, im not saying broken family
mint arch
i dont want anything to happen
i like the pairing and want the marriage to survive
and hate that blizzard would want to fck with it
sullen dagger
well, they are one of the cutest copules there are r/n in the wow lore
hollow dock
at all
that the marriage is under thread
threat*
We're shown contrary to that belief time and time again
sullen dagger
agree with vris in that
hollow dock
She's had the void with her. The whispers she has
she's had
since she started this
500 years prior
terse patrol
the Alliance have never really been "bad" guys. Their actions are usually in retaliation against Horde aggression.
mint arch
didnt she absorb the void naaru during legion?
terse patrol
Internment was 100% because the Orcs slaughtered countless humans in their conquests.
hollow dock
the first and last time, to my knowledge, of alliance aggression is Dalen.
She did Void.
BUt
BUT
the whispers have always been there
mint arch
i dont remember seeing she's had void whispers like this for 500 years?
hollow dock
the void naaru she absorbed didn't impact that
Uh
Thousand years of war
when she had to battle the void for control
mint arch
i see
hollow dock
That whole bit?
hollow dock
When she first takes on for studying the void, the whispers assaulted her and showed her many different outcomes and possibilities
sullen dagger
R E K T
E
K
T
hollow dock
she sorts out the lies from the truths
sullen dagger
THE LORE POWERS
hollow dock
It was her first lesson in controlling void
mint arch
ya, i remember that part
its just that i didnt know she was constantly listening to whispers like this
hollow dock
It's not new. It's just the first time we're shown it
zealous basalt
wat we talking now about
grabs dual wield crossbows and points everyone
No u to all
harsh canyon
No
Like
I cannot access high level characters to test the full changes of my class
dense plover
oh
thatll be fixed
they just dont have full staff on weekends
it will be fixed either monday or in the next build
harsh canyon
Still sucks
dense plover
it was broken
they had to disable it
its public test
not public totally working
zealous basalt
If you don't want to have issues with a public test realm, wait until official prepatch
obtuse token
I saw the nobbel video, does the azerite have any mental effects?
hollow dock
no
uncut vault
Not explicitly, but the power emanating from it is enormous, and can certainly spur thoughts on its use
hollow dock
not that we know of anyways
it's very possible that no it doesn't mind control people
obtuse token
I just don't want Sylvanas turning into a complete monster for no reason like Garrosh
hollow dock
She's not doing it for no reason
Garrosh didn't do it for no reason either
Sylvanas is and always will be a monster. An inhumane, manipulative, bitch that'll use everyone to her advantage.
ever since WC3, everyone is a means to an end to her
uncut vault
She’s always been a person who puts politics and survival over emotion, even if her own personal feelings conflict it
Can’t be sentimental if you’re dead, basically
hollow dock
Garrosh wanted to live up to the conquering war hero that his father was. He felt huge orcish pride and wanted to uplift his people and take vengeance for the alliances actions
rich apex
(It totally has mental affects but that will be the big plot twist in 8.2)
(maybe we shouldn't have used our planet's lifeblood for weapons of war)
hollow dock
(it totally doesn't. Please specify your speculations for the people who don't actually know and wish to know)
zealous basalt
I think me Azerite like
obtuse token
but what made her turn evil?
rich apex
Being undead
zealous basalt
Something that gives you extra confidence
Like that extra boost to do everything you could
Also before the end, did anduin had something for Calia or was just me
hollow dock
She's BEEN evil Kiva
Always
Even in life, from her bit with Nathanos, it's implied pretty decently that she was a sociopath
Just now that she's the focus of the story, everyone can't ignore her shadiness
#morallygreybtw
hollow dock
same
if they actually kept up with the character, they'd know she's always been this way
zealous basalt
They are fanboys that just follow the undead tidies
And heck
Even of you play horde dont worry if you dont like her
Because she doesnt like you either unless you are a forsaken
zealous basalt
Also about Azerite
Did it made the goblin gnome pair to be more "love"ing?
Make*
Again, i dont think it makes you crazy
Just gives you some strength to become more confident and secure of your actions
terse patrol
Azerite shows you what you want, I think.
hollow dock
nah. Azerite itself I dont think does
BUT
I do think it kinda tempts you
Like just your own greed makes you think you can do so much more
terse patrol
And the two I think both wanted to get back together.
hollow dock
than you actually can
zealous basalt
Overconfidence?
zealous basalt
I like it
hollow dock
since its so much raw energy
terse patrol
Like, it showed Anduin how he could bring peace. We don't know what those methods were.
But I think he might have been "shown" a way. Who knows if he'll pursue it.
Same with Sylvanas, she saw a bunch of ways she could rule the world.
zealous basalt
I really like the development of both leaders
...since it's the only thing I ever seen in development after the Shalamayne cinematic for Anduin in Legiom
I would have died if Calia said that she forcefully got married to Daval Prestor
zealous basalt
A certain fanfic came to my mind
rich apex
It's 33 ADP, man, they can adopt
rich apex
Pffsh, monarchies are so last century
zealous basalt
Fucking gallywix
untold fractal
^^^^^
zinc sandal
Any news on character copies for PTR?
untold fractal
@zealous basalt I know! I really wanted at least one happy ending in BtS, why couldn’t it have been them
zealous basalt
And those forsaken...
But I can say one thing
Nothing can stop Manduin
links now you are a man
nova hamlet
I have to say they might be screwing over my enhancement... but at least I'm finding some fun in playing DK particularly Unholy. Might go DK for once in an expansion
Though Haste might be an issue, but hopefully something that gets fixed with gear. It seems a lot less clunky somehow to enhancement lol
untold fractal
Honestly kinda hating Sylvanas like a lot right now she’s kind of a massive c**t
nova hamlet
So... same as she always has been?
zealous basalt
I kinda like what she did
untold fractal
Nah if she truly cared for her people she would leave them be. A true leader only leads the willing
zealous basalt
I say, she seized the chance to get rid of those that opposed her
untold fractal
But her people didn’t oppose her, they just wanted to be with their family.
zealous basalt
You know how paranoid she can be
untold fractal
Not even Calia opposed her tbh
warm holly
👀
zealous basalt
That is what makes her cunty character
I look at this as a reminder of what Sylvanas is
And I'm really glad they made the book
warm holly
ya me too , its a great book
dense plover
i mean, i hate gallywix as a person, but as a character, i want him to stick around because his character is fun
warm holly
meh
dense plover
hes such an asshole
and hes openly an asshole
we dont have any other characters like that
warm holly
we can always play soccer with his corpse 😏
zealous basalt
And everyone knows he is an asshole
dense plover
and he is the personification of goblin greeed - he is the perfect goblin leader
untold fractal
That’s all true but I still think he needs to die a horrible painful death
dense plover
i disagree for storytelling reasons
warm holly
kek
dense plover
if he dies, we will never return to kezan
untold fractal
It was indeed a volcano
uncut vault
we're going back to kezan in BfA, and Undermine is still there
zealous basalt
Sure volcano
untold fractal
That makes sense, gotta find the true source of that Azerite
zealous basalt
Sure volcano
untold fractal
@zealous basalt it was the volcano, we just don’t know what actually really caused the volcano to errupt
untold fractal
Was it Gallydicks or Deathwing, or both?
warm holly
the greenskin
untold fractal
It alluded that he may have had a hand, he wasn’t aware for sure if it was him or deathwing
warm holly
🤷🏻
untold fractal
Probably a combination of both
zealous basalt
Deathwinf farted azerite
zealous basalt
Seriously tho
I like how Sylvanas notices how different she is from manduin
She rules with Iron Fist
Anduin with compassion
forest tartan
well shes a veteran compare with him
untold fractal
Well, yeah, but Anduin has been through some shit and is still compassionate
forest tartan
zealous basalt
Well m8
Even if she is so of a War Vereran...
A kid went through her skin
And made her insanely mad
zealous basalt
The last chapters
forest tartan
when she let him walk off with a dead body
lol
i dont think she realy sees him as a threat
or he would be dead
untold fractal
no, not him specifically, but the entirety of the Alliance, most definitely, espcially with the Horde as stretched for resources as it is
and as the books said, Sylvanus rules with an iron fist, Anduin rules with compassion. Anduins people love him, Sylvanus' people fear her. And love will always be stronger than fear
zealous basalt
Not counting that Alliance have both Light and Void in their ranks
misty blaze
i wouldnt have issues with alliance had they had a female as leader i dont like andruin
untold fractal
well so does the Horde, but that is neither here nor there
zealous basalt
Yeah go ku
forest tartan
stretched for resources? lol horde just acquired new races
zealous basalt
We know you just want tiddies
misty blaze
cause who wants to look at a dude
zealous basalt
Go to the corner like the rest of horny people that doesnt respect anything but tiddies
untold fractal
A common theme in the book is that both Alliance and Horde are stretched for resources, those allied races were in the war too
I love looking at dudes
misty blaze
happy rusev day people
untold fractal
dudes are hot, and have you seen Anduin in the cinematic... he is just lovely
misty blaze
yeah well im not into men.
untold fractal
indeed
Thankfully go ku, you are not the only one playing the game lol
I mean yall get jaina, let me haev anduin
untold fractal
true enough, not that you could see it in anything other than her hair color
misty blaze
if i had to pick a male lore to be in charge i would pick thrall cause hes a badass
zealous basalt
This man doesnt know the stuff
untold fractal
Thrall could always go back to being the Warchief, if he really wanted
misty blaze
well isnt thrall neutral now
zealous basalt
But he doesnt want
zealous basalt
He is better raising a family
misty blaze
i dont trust genn greymane at all
untold fractal
he is still an Orc, and his loyalties will always lie there, over everything, except maybe the balance of the elements
I trust Genn, especially after the events of Before the Storm. He shows that he can learn
untold fractal
^ a whole lot
tropic trail
the tensity in some parts was fantastic
uncut vault
Sylvanas' people definitely don't fear her. Some may after Arathi, but up until now, they have revered her as a goddess
zealous basalt
The last parts were so climatic
tropic trail
ye
zealous basalt
And the gnome and goblin
misty blaze
well even oif she does die ill always have alleria
zealous basalt
...man this dude is just
misty blaze
what is your beef with me makore
i like my lore characters whats so wrong with that.
untold fractal
The Forsaken are not Sylvanas' only people now. And reverance and fear can definitely play hand in hand @uncut vault
Also if they didnt fear her, they wouldnt have run from her when she sounded the horn
forest tartan
ya everyone that thinks she's some mean dictator don't have any perspective or remember her past at all.
zealous basalt
Your philosophy of tidies over everything creeps me a lot
misty blaze
arthas killed her that pissed me off
forest tartan
when she dies it will be on her own terms
she will kill herself
if anything
Sylvanas must decide how far she'll go to protect her people...and whether they're more precious to her than her soul.
ect
untold fractal
I really dont think her people are really that precious to her. I think that is a lie she tells herself to mask her true intentions, even to herself.
untold fractal
Her true intention is to live forever and to rule over something forever.
forest tartan
good
untold fractal
The goal is not horrible in and of itself. But she gave her people free will, and in seeing them exercise their free will, when it did not align with her own, she murders them.
forest tartan
i dont see you complain when the valkye let you walk back form the graveyard
untold fractal
How precious are her people to her if she can do that without blinking an eye
zealous basalt
Are you comparing lore to game mechanics?
And for your information
Those are Spirit Healers
forest tartan
The Spirit Healers are valkyr
untold fractal
according to WowPedia "Spirit Healers are angelic beings usually encountered at a graveyard after death. These floating figures of death and rebirth return people to life where their spirit stands.[2] The Spirit Healers are val'kyr who chose not to join Helya in Helheim after the sealing of the Halls of Valor and instead disappeared into the Shadowlands. "
but, still, what does the Spirit Healers have to do with Sylvanas valuing her own people, which s what we are discussing
forest tartan
so can i use spirt heals as an example of taking advatage of the val'kyrs nature. and its not some evil plan
lol
that you proved me right yourself
lol
untold fractal
What we are talking about is whether or not the Forsaken are precious to Sylvanas. I dont think they are, she uses the goal of providing them with a forever life as a mask of her own private intentions of providing herself with everlasting life. Its much easier to commit attrocities when you tell yourself you do it for soemone you love. In reality I dont think she is doing it for her Forsaken, because I dont really think she cares about them. She cares for herself, and only herself. She just uses the forsaken as an excuse
untold fractal
The Murder of her own people, the use of blight on her own and the alliance, her trying to enslave the Valkyr, which thankfully was stopped by Genn. Her almost blatant murder of her own sisters.
need I go on
Attrocities.
zealous basalt
Koltira too
forest tartan
always leave out the why
untold fractal
That is literally what we are talking about, the why she would do all this stuff. She claims it is for her people, but it really isnt, she doesnt care about them, or she wouldnt kill them wontonly.
I mean I get it, Sylvanas used to be one of my favorite Horde leaders, and I am horde for life, but I am not going to be so naive as to believe she is doing it for the good of anyone other than herself
dense plover
actually i dont think the blight during the siege kills forsaken
it kills horde
but not forsaken
untold fractal
The "I care for you, but only if you do exactly what I say, blindly follow me, and love me and only me with all your dead heart" isnt really caring or love.
forest tartan
do you know any faction leaders that surround themselves with people that don't take orders
ever
untold fractal
This isnt just about following orders.
uncut vault
@dense plover it does, there are dark rangers out on the field
untold fractal
I prefer to believe that it is better to have people follow you because they care for you, not because you force them too, or because there is the threat of death over you head if you dont, but because you also care for them.
uncut vault
shes not throwing away her soldiers like nothing because theyre not her forsaken, she's using a last resort
dense plover
guess that was changed
uncut vault
yeah build one it was just orcs
got changed to a bunch of races
including dark rangers
untold fractal
the difference between Sylvanas and Anduin is that Anduin would gladly, GLADLY die for his people, whereas sylvanas will, with a smirk on her lips, torch her own to save herself.
dense plover
^
uncut vault
literally frowns at her soldiers dying and jumps out to join the fray
dense plover
sylvanas wouldnt sacrifice the forsaken for her own life