oak wing
My password wasn't wrong, my account was wrong.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tranquil steeple
untold fractal
LOL
dense plover
yeah they added a placeholder login screen
so we will see login and music soon in beta probably
pine orchid
did the beta just go offline
dense plover
server restart probably
ornate pivot
anything look different on that area they decorated yesterday?
sharp bluff
The Fishing Artifact has been saved, and it's no longer being retired!
ornate pivot
sweet
pine orchid
the traits are still working i see
dense plover
i mean
they were working last time
the screen just showed as disabled
they fixed that bug
wheat elm
its a bug but its pretty cool
grizzled sleet
why is it a bug?
wheat elm
i have 2 different colour variants in my glaives
dapper cosmos
So what is available on the PTR currently?
wheat elm
pre patch
half summit
Has anybody been able to log in to the PTR?
wheat elm
yeah
dapper cosmos
So you can access the burning of Teldrassil quests and what not?
ornate pivot
I'm jealous. How is it, guys?
dapper cosmos
I'm hoping we'll be able to test if you can power level characters through the pre-patch content soon. I'm thinking it'll be unlikely that we will be able to, but I can still hope đ
grizzled sleet
@wheat elm you have 2 color variants because you tried to transmog your glaive with another color ? I did this with my guardian druid
grizzled sleet
xD
obtuse token
I read spoilers for before the storm, is it true that they basically got rid off all the morally grey areas of the conflict and just made Sylvanns outright evil?
tropic trail
I wouldn't say so, no.
The problem is more that Anduin is very, very white. Moreso than Sylvannas being unreasonably black
And the contrast is pretty stark
rich apex
^
Sylvanas is Super Not Nice
But she's yet to go Lich Queen
(despite what the forums will tell you)
uncut vault
It was less any confirmation about Sylvanas, more that if we get any grey areas from alliance (of which we donât really have) they wonât come from Anduin
obtuse token
I mean I am aware that Sylvanns will most likely become a raid boss at some point, I just hope she doesn't trun into a second garrosh
tropic trail
Well, let's put in another way
If Sylvannas was a character in a Game of Thrones style universe, she would be perfectly reasonable in many ways.
rich apex
^
tropic trail
It's the fact that her counterpart is holy-two-shoes anduin that makes her look paranoid
obtuse token
why DOES she burn down teldrasil in the frist place?
rich apex
We don't know yet
tropic trail
We don't know if she does
rich apex
(or -if- she did)
tropic trail
BtS ends before Teldrassil
That stuff will be part of a novella
or two novellas to be exact
hollow dock
The reason at the moment
Which is entirely from datamined text
Is to stop the alliance flow of azerite
Out of fear of
The alliance attacking orgrimmar
tropic trail
Well, but the latest revision of her plan explicitly doesn't call for burning teldrassil.
tropic trail
She want's the kaldorei civilians as hostages, not dead
hollow dock
Yet shes slaughtering them everywhere she goes
So the text doesnt line up with the actions
rich apex
The most recent datamine text suggests she's planning to hold the city hostage
What actually ends up in live
Who knows
nova hamlet
The best bet is to turn your brain off when it comes to characters. They can change direction at a whim on blizzard's behalf. They aren't very consistant with it
rich apex
Admittedly, it's not as if Sylvie's going to go 'oh think of the night elf children'
hollow dock
Currently the scenario aims to her purposefully burning the tree
As she wants to show off what azerite can do
rich apex
I will aggressively dream of something more nuanced than that until proven otherwise >_>
uncut vault
There is no scenario
rich apex
Thankfully, only another month or so to go
hollow dock
Port. Darkshore is the scenario
uncut vault
We do not know where the âshow you the power of azeriteâ is from, a lot of the datamined lines are from world quests
It isnât a scenario
Itâs all open world
hollow dock
So Darkshore and the stuff we are shown is NOT the horde attacking darkshore?
tropic trail
Well, other Voice lines suggest that burning teldrassil was not in her plans (as she seems surprised)
nova hamlet
Like Jaina going full Psycho against the horde makes no sense at all but they did it anyways cause they wanted to do so.
tropic trail
No
hollow dock
The progression of the datamined text that is pretty linear
tropic trail
It's a phased version of the zone, open for players
hollow dock
So its a repeating world quest to witness malfurion and sylvanas fight
hollow dock
THAT would be a scenario
rich apex
We haven't seen the entire Darkshore questline yet
rich apex
And if there even is a separate scenario that leads to the finale with the burning
hollow dock
facepalm
hollow dock
So yall are telling me. There is no lead up to darkshore burning
tropic trail
It's a linear quest line
hollow dock
That sylvanas ordering saurfang to kill malf and wait at the tree
To show what azerite will do.
tropic trail
That part isn't in yet
hollow dock
Thats been datamined. Which is what Im speaking of.
uncut vault
There is, it just isnât a scenario.
rich apex
The Darkshore quest chain is the lead up to Teldrassil burning
Of which we haven't seen the last part of said burning yet
tropic trail
okay. Back to square one.
hollow dock
Weve seen the effects of the burning. Greymane saving Mia and us going in the burning tree.
tropic trail
I'll just do a step-by-step of what's in now.
You are called to Stormwind. Anduin tells you to Speak to Shaw to go to Silithus and help the nightelven fleet repel the horde
hollow dock
Because the line of her wanting to show off what azerite can do is in that linear storyline quests.
tropic trail
Shaw comes in and tells you that the horde has surprised the alliance by diverting north into ashenvale instead of south to Silithus
hollow dock
Another situation where teleportation solves all our issues but magic doesnt exist >_>
tropic trail
then you go to Astranaar (and find the place sacked with night elven reinforcements seing the dead and flushing out undead assasins)
The dead Night elves become wisps and are called away.
You follow the trail of wisps into southern darkshore
There you witness Sylvannas and Malfurion fighting (no cutscenes, just phased). Malfurion uses the wisps to build a wall and oneshot all NPC except Sylvie (who is forced to flee)
hollow dock
I hope you know I am more than aware of the events leading up into it
tropic trail
But why do you then say that there is no leadUp to Darkshore? o0
hollow dock
Becuase of miscommunication
I called it a scenario when I meant the questline leading up to this
tropic trail
Ah, okay.
hollow dock
When Im trying to explain to you what we can currently infer from the datamined text
tropic trail
Well, we only have the stuff up to the (presumably) first time gate.
hollow dock
We have up to Sylvanas sitting at the tree
Empty space
Then greymane and us going to the burning tree
The specific burning isnt in, datamined or not, but from all thr leading up with saurfang letting malf and tyrande go and all. Her plans changing.
Its leaning towards her just burning down the tree to cover a retreat and keeping the night elf fleet occupied
hollow dock
I dont mind her doing it. Not sure why anyone else is so concerned about it.
Its in her character to do it
She's always been paranoid of backstabs and loose ends
tropic trail
Many Alliance people are a bit concerned that she wins in darkshore and the alliance just gets a pyrrhic victory in UC afterwards, I think?
hollow dock
We do tho.
hollow dock
Sylvanas burns down a tree and pushes thw alliance put.
uncut vault
So both factions lose with an âoops we fucked up s capitolâ moment
hollow dock
I mean. Sylvanas is basically the reason both cities are gone.
tropic trail
the question is about intent
hollow dock
She plagues lordaeron to spite us.
Shes 'taking' night elves hostage by slaughterin em
Its pretty clear whats going on
To me at least.
tropic trail
If Sylvannas decides that Teldrassil shall burn (and it does) and then Sylvannas decides that Lordaeron should become blighttown (and it does) it basically implies she get's her way in both cases
Not that it concerns me
But that#s the sentiment I see often
hollow dock
Its the sentiment Im getting.
Which again is fine. Sylvanas is a tactical leader.
This again fits in her character. Just sucks that its now they decide to keep a character consistent
Makes them really seem pro-horde
uncut vault
From what weâve seen, sheâs not deciding Teldrassil will burn. Pretty hard to occupy a tree when itâs on fire. Whether or not she changes her mind near the end of the darkshore content after she fails to kill Malf, we donât know, but her plan isnât to burn the tree.
hollow dock
Her plan going in isnt port
Were not saying it is
As I said, what seems most likely is that as the fleet arrives she ignites the tree and uses the destraction to flee.
Distraction*
tropic trail
The other likely theory is that someone in the alliance decides it's better to burn it than to loose it (like Sylvie does in Lordaeron). But that would be a bit lame with both actions mirroring each other to closely
My personally favorite solution would be that the alliance misshandles the azerite stockpile in Darnassus while they avcuate (or tries to use it to counter sylvies azerite stuff and misshandles it there) and then just covers it up by blaming the horde. But that would probably generate so much salt that you could put out Teldrassil with it
dense plover
okay, i need help understanding some of the complaints following the QA
rich apex
Why would you want to do that
Has there ever been a QA that wasn't followed by a forum full of complaints
dense plover
why are people so upset about shamans? ive been playing enh on beta, and while it isnt the best, its fun, fluid and good dps - bit squishy but thats part of the class fantasy
resto is strong in dungeons yet people say its in a bad place
nova hamlet
Eh... did main Enhance for raiding through first 2 tiers of Legion, I find it a good bit slower and aoe wise its horrid lol
dense plover
ive only done like 6 dungeons, but 4 of those had resto shamans and they were very good healers
i mean
most classes had their aoe removed
shaman can handle about 2-3 mobs solo
nova hamlet
Like... literally. It can't aoe worth a damn now
ST seemed okay, slower gameplay but it was fine
dense plover
i dont see the problem - it was this way in legion. its not weaker than it was
nova hamlet
It definently is
dense plover
it doesnt feel like it to me, i have an enh in legion and it feels pretty similar
nova hamlet
Theres a lot larger drop to AoE from what I've done running dungeons and the likes
uncut vault
All specs that werenât redesigned are inherently weaker, but thatâs just the cost of losing all the artifact traits
dense plover
what talents are people taking?
maybe thats the thing, is people are using old builds and those suck?
nova hamlet
If talents cause that large of a difference, there is a big balance problem
dense plover
no
nova hamlet
Yes
dense plover
thats the point of talents
nova hamlet
lol
dense plover
they are supposed to make you play differently
nova hamlet
They shifted talents to make more sense with aoe being together ect.
dense plover
some of them need number tweaking, sure
nova hamlet
No much ENhance wise that effects aoe
dense plover
what talents do you pick tho?
im curious
link me via the talent calculator plz
also, there is a big difference in how the rotation feels between 110 and 120
it feels a lot better at 120
nova hamlet
You mean decked out gear 120 because just fresh 120 your going to be pretty weak
nova hamlet
Wouldn't Boulderfist be a dps loss for aoe?
dense plover
no?
makes the generation of maelstrom faster
and since single target is higher, you kill stuff faster
nova hamlet
Less free lava lashes
nova hamlet
Bolderfist would need to generate 40 rage for eeach proc of hot hand to make it better for aoe
dense plover
combined with landslide to set off the stormfury spike
its not better for aoe
its better for maelstrom gen
which leads to better single target dmg
nova hamlet
and Landslide wouldn't effect aoe damage at all
dense plover
better self heals
and better survivability
hence more sustain and the ability to hold 2-3 mobs and take care of them over the course of maybe 20 sec
combined with elemental spirits for more dmg
sundering for a secondary interrupt and small aoe
and if you are horde, highmountain for the third interrupt
nova hamlet
Like mathematically they wouldn't unless their numbers are wrong
dense plover
its rng
but its still a 30 sec cooldown decrease
and 2 wolves that do dmg
even if the procs suck (all of them have some use), its still more dmg
stop thinking about how to do lots of aoe
and view it through a different lense
you cant do aoe with my build, not well
but you kill individuals faster
meaning you clear groups faster
i feel like aoe was nerfed as part of class fantasy changes
warlock aoe was buffed
they want you to take the class in m+ now
warlock is the aoe class
shaman is fast, mobile, and good dps
they also can have 2 interrupts
3 with static totem
nova hamlet
Ele lost mobility but assuming you mean Enhancement
dense plover
i do
nova hamlet
Which I'd disagree lol
nova hamlet
Clearly Mnk and DH are a thing lol
nova hamlet
I like the class too, I mained Enhance 1st 2 tiers in legion lol
dense plover
and their interrupts alone make them worth taking into dungeons
nova hamlet
You could say all melee is mobile... minus DK lol
nova hamlet
Warrior has charge and leap
dense plover
they have mobility points
hollow dock
Paldins have mount speed indoors.
dense plover
but they cant use it all the time
hollow dock
DKs. We speed up every now and then
Thankfully it's only now in BFA that we get the knockback immunity
dense plover
shaman can switch to ghostwolf in combat, then feral lunge to get back in
it allows you to avoid heavy boss dmg
nova hamlet
Ghostwolf = no DPS
dense plover
everything isnt dps
hollow dock
death=no dps
dense plover
staying alive means not dying
hollow dock
We're comparing for usablility within a fight
dense plover
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
nova hamlet
I'm just saying if we are comparing classes haha
hollow dock
DKs have the worst mobility.
dense plover
i think people want what the class was
and it isnt what it was
its aoe is much weaker
ele, i have no clue
i havent tried it
and resto is fucking fantastic in dungeons
i dont know if its fun
but everytime ive had a resto healer the dungeon has been smooth af
nova hamlet
Enhance wasn't exactly a good aoer to start with, not completely useless but low but now its a lot lower
Like M+ if you want to dps it as shaman, your going ele right now
dense plover
^
ive had enh in mythic +14s
they do great
havent tried beta m+
avoiding dungeons on purpose so that I dont burn out
i want to run another island, but i want to do it with people who will use voip so i can see what that is like
sullen dagger
dks aint mobility, but fix that with stuns, slows and incapatitations in general
uncut vault
Im assuming that the PTR channel will stay locked, since all its content is on beta too, right?
dense plover
and then reopen ptr-or-spoilers for 8.0.5 or 8.1 or whatever
sullen dagger
agree totally
hollow dock
You can't grip a boss back to you
sullen dagger
yeah dks only have ghostwalk
hollow dock
At least our Deaths advance is back. and gives us immunity to knockbacks
and yes I understand peach
doesn't mean it feels good to play :p
hollow dock
Just talking mobility alone
dense plover
oh
hollow dock
running up to a boss etc
hollow dock
Maybe if they made like. Wraith walk (the talented one) be at mount speed like Divine Steed.
Flavorful, fits the whole 'DKS are anti paladins' thematic
dense plover
or maybe wraith walk charges?
hollow dock
Charges would ease so many issues
hollow dock
5% more speed and 1 additional charge
dense plover
2 charges would fix a lot of the mobility issues
hollow dock
I'd be happy on that
dense plover
see? people want sweeping changes
but charges and percentage changes?
they can have a huge affect
and thats what we will see over the next few weeks
up until release tbh
and probably a little bit after
hollow dock
I agree with Ion's statement
Changes as small as a number tweak can salvage a bad class
nova hamlet
It depends what it is, but typically yes. I mean in some crazy case numbers can't exactly fix a problem that well, dps its harder to happen but in the cases where RNG has a major swing factor that can be a big issue
uncut vault
that gave me an idea
nova hamlet
Accounting for RNG and patching numbers that way can get you a class doing super high variance where its god tier one pull and crap the next đ
But you gotta really butcher it to do that
uncut vault
DKs need a glyph to make wraith walk summon the new horseman mount instead
that would be the perfect anti-paladin fantasy
nova hamlet
Nah, DK's instead of having a mobility skill to move to enemies, they just move the entire world to make it move to them
uncut vault
On a different note, Im a fan of the way theyre t rying to solve the artifact xmog problem
obviously the spec lock is annoying, but letting us xmog it on any weapon is a nice change
and also can mean a lot for the future of xmog
dense plover
i honestly understand the spec stuff
outside of your artifact, your class generally doesnt have animation support for that weapon type
so for some other versions of that weapon type those animations would look very clunky
and blizzard doesnt like it when things look bad
uncut vault
Im really hoping they use this tech to solve the desire for old weapon combos
things like 2h frost DK, dw surv hunter and fury warrior, work with all their melee anims, and now have a system that could be used to let them look how they want
uncut vault
Yes
hollow dock
yo thats op
uncut vault
its a really good way of doing things, allows for personalization without getting in the way of customization
hollow dock
Also something to note: I'm not sure if this is true for later on, but it seems like allied races dont have a lock on the PTR.
nova hamlet
Well testing now I got a 800 dps loss in using Boulderfist/Landslide vs Hot Hand/Fordceful Winds in 4 target aoe situation, though it was quick parses and no where near exact. GOing to test without feral spirit just to make sure Elemental Spirits isn't skewing the numbers that way.
NO where near exact numbers or very clean testing keep in mind so don't want to go claiming what I saw to be 100% fact, completely accurate cause I'd need more test samples with longer parses to really be sure of stuff
dense plover
ptr is literally just beta copied and then taking the bfa content and locking it
what about in single target tho
nova hamlet
Do need to test if lightning shield the effect actually cascades off Stormstrike-Crashed lightning aoe effect
... I was talking about AoE
dense plover
i know
nova hamlet
I never was arguing about ST lol
dense plover
but i brought up how aoe is fun and all, but if you can st faster you can deal more dmg total
killing more mobs
nova hamlet
I think ST weise enhance looks to be doing decent, the problem would be I can do about the same with Ele but also have aoe.
What?
dense plover
if you can do more dmg, you can kill more stuff
so if you are doing 500 dmg to all mobs every time, vs 1200 dmg to one mob
uncut vault
ptr and beta automatically give you the allied race achieves
nova hamlet
If your doing 100 damage in an AoE vs 50 damage in ST, you are doing more damage with the AoE rather then ST a single mob?
dense plover
but if you are doing 500 to two mobs vs 1200 to one?
nova hamlet
If you could do 100 dps ST and 100 dps AoE then your doing the same dps no matter what you do
dense plover
idk i guess im not looking at enh as an aoe spec
i didnt see it that way in legion either
nova hamlet
All I'm saying is AOE is big, specially if you want to M+ and do quick runs
dense plover
i guess
nova hamlet
You can do it, but you can do it with anything even if a class was utterly worthless number wise
dense plover
i dont main enh so i dont have experience with it personally
i main brewmaster
we are in a really good place surprisingly
threat nerf hit brew the softest
mystic flicker
Anyone know how to find groups for mythic dungeons? đ Seem to have 0 luck with group finder
dense plover
still wish blackout combo was baseline so i could ACTUALLY choose my level 100 talent
the other two are very situational
nova hamlet
I wish they pushed back Bfa launch 3 more months to iron out things a little more myself. Not that they can't do it but damn are they going to be in super crunch mode with all the issues lol
dense plover
nah
2 months is plenty of time
98% of the content is in and working
all of june, all of july, 2 weeks of august
lots of time
dense plover
hell, they literally are fixing feral next build by taking tigers fury off the gcd
thats all feral needed
nova hamlet
Dunno BFA so far is the buggiest beta I Played so close to launch. Does make me feel a bit leery. Not that they can't do it it just sparks me beign a bit concerned. BLizzard does have the resources to do it.
uncut vault
the only real change I want is for phoenix flame to be made baseline, and replace the talent with an amalgam of the artifact traits that modify it
hollow dock
yea no I feel ya Puru
uncut vault
to give an actual choice between more crit buttons for fire mage
dense plover
i mean
warlords was much buggier
like - way worse
there were crash bugs a week before launch
this is totally doable
they have 10 weeks
and if they really need to
im sure they will push back the release
they said sept 1 at the latest
so if they need to push it back, they will
nova hamlet
Yeah WoD had sever issues for sure in Beta that was pointed out and ended up being a problem, granted in other areas it actually was looking very promising
dense plover
and bfa doesnt?
bfa has some of the best zones ive ever played in
not to mention great dungeons (not including the motherlode)
and the story telling is the best its ever been
terse patrol
Any word on how we sacrifice our artifact weapons in the PTR?
harsh wedge
On the PTR can we only create lvl 1 (or lvl 20 characters for allied races) ? No copy character ? And trial can't be connected ?
rich apex
PTR doesn't seem to have the Silithus quests or Darkshore quests, alas
Character copy is up
Artifacts have already been sacrificed
tropic trail
i got some of the silithus q's ?
rich apex
Welp, I didn't get a new one when I logged in on my main after I copied to PTR đ
tropic trail
lol
meager warren
Every expac has looked great for the year it was released in. Bfa just looks better 'cause it's the most recent
dense plover
theres a difference between looks good and is good
bfa has the best questing wow has had thus far
the storytelling is factually better at least in the categories of coherent zone stories, zone progression, voice acting, and cutscenes
and the zones are fucking gorgeous
i just love wandering around dazar'alor
uncut vault
the main thing that makes me like the BfA zones, Kul Tiras at least, is that you can do the leveling any way you want
dense plover
cant wait for music
uncut vault
if you like doing small stories, theres SO many small little questlines
if you want the main plots, you can get to 120 doing all three
dense plover
yeah, the side quests are great
they have voice acting and stuff
so they feel like they had as much work as the main stuff
but they tell their own stuff - though they do seem to have some themes
dense plover
for example, tortollan stories in zandalar revolve around the naga and azshara sending them to find some kind of magical source
pale spear
so I'm on the PTR but nothing pops up with what to do or where to go next for the bfa stuff. no breadcrumb quest etc.
where do i go to start all that stuff?
uncut vault
oh is there a second naga storyline in zandalar? I only did the kragwa one, nice to see theres quests I havent seen yet
dense plover
theres the tortollans in zuldazar
pale spear
well prepatch has event stuff to do normally
dense plover
the tortollans in voldun
pale spear
but none of that is built in yet?
dense plover
yeah its going to release over the next week or two i think
they want to test the addition of those systems over time
pale spear
ok awesome. well then i guess ill go try some druid rotation to seee these GCD changes that i hear are terrible.
dense plover
which spec?
pale spear
feral
dense plover
thats fixed next build
pale spear
ah lol ok so i'll wait then.
dense plover
literally in the QA they said that tigers fury is coming off gcd next build
dense plover
thats the only problem with the spec
they made lots of changes
but the tigers fury change was what made people upset
pale spear
gotcha i haven't been really keeping up to date on the changes etc.
dense plover
the rest matches the changes to all other classes
pale spear
yeah that is a terrible change
dense plover
well they kind of did a bulk - add almost everything to the gcd
pale spear
that's supposed to be used when you need it so im glad they reverted that.
dense plover
and theyve been going and removing those that need it
theres still a few that need it
pale spear
yeah i play other classes i just raided mostly with the feral druid. im not sure which class im going forward on for bfa.
dense plover
currently some racials are still on gcd, but thats not intended
and theres a few self heals that are on gcd
i think healing brew might be on gcd, not sure
pale spear
i've mained assassination rogue for many, many years. druid's for a couple, warrior and paladin. but i have all classes at 110 and some dupes for allied races. so im confused on which to try. i might go caster i've ne ver mained a caster before.
pale spear
i was leaning towards warlock if i did go caster.
dense plover
but thats because of a nerf that wasnt supposed to go live
itll be better next build too
pale spear
just because i think they're the most fun and most diverse.
dense plover
they are
and theyve gone and made them more different from each other
each one feels grreat
especially demo
they finally feel like a demon summoning warlock
pale spear
haha nice
drowsy wolf
I think Ret's got it best. They aren't affected by the GCD as much as their base CDs from their spell
dense plover
they nerfed tank threat, but brewmaster is the least affected because of the way we do dmg with aoe and bc of spinning crane kick
pale spear
i cant play a ret paladin.
dense plover
still wish that wasnt a talent either
pale spear
mental block with them.
drowsy wolf
?
dense plover
spinning crane kick is essentially a must pick
đ
rushing jade wind
wrong name
same shit
pale spear
i never could get into the monk class. i never tried to tank though, and i do like tanking on every other class.
dense plover
druid is a bit harder in bfa
pale spear
well ya with the change to threat
dense plover
mostly
pale spear
itll be like back in the day
dense plover
i think they will end up reverting it, at least a bit
dense plover
i dont think it will be completely reverted
but i expect the amount of threat generated by tanks to be increased to at least 180 or maybe 200%
pale spear
i think tanking should be harder
dense plover
i mean
the issue is that right now, it is in beta
but the threat thing really just hurts burst classes
which means those classes are worse for m+
pale spear
yeah
dense plover
thats bad
pale spear
feral's are bursty at the start
dense plover
its things like mage and hunter that have it really bad
pale spear
you'd need tricks, md and anything else to be used all the time
dense plover
and sometimes dh
but we have some good news
growl is now auto disabled when entering a dungeon
đ
pale spear
my feral out bursts well geard dh's for the start of the fight till my cd's are over. lol
yay!
dense plover
start burst isnt the problem though
dense plover
its burst that occurs after a few secs during when tank threat might fall off
dense plover
hence mages being the worst offenders
its probably going to be changed
or certain classes will have their threat generation tweaked
pale spear
my favorite time to tank was in wrath on a warrior
i had so many buttons to mash
it was great
dense plover
i like tanking now tbh - its about strategic pulls and knowing when to pop your abilities
you have to learn the fights
pale spear
i've been playing since day 1 i've been thru it all. lol so relearning isnt anything new to me
zealous basalt
where you could grab all the stuff until the end of the dungeon
pale spear
as much as I miss the good days in vanilla
i wont play on the vanilla servers when they come out
dense plover
fucking mop tanking was awful as brew tho
guard was the worst
people loved it in warlords because it was broken, but as a mechanic it was never fun
now that its back, i guarantee people will take it because its guard
even though blackout combo is more universally useful
guard is useful for bosses with big hits
thats it
pale spear
do u know the name of hte item for the green flame for warlocks.
i can't think of it off the top of my head
dense plover
im sure if you search green fire on wowhead itll come up
it works btw
they redid all warlock spell animations and then they made greenfire versions
they even have some new casting animations too
pale spear
i bought a book from someoen on my server and i mailed it but i kinda forgot to login for like 5 weeks and i think the mail deleted from teh system. so sadly they wouldnt be able to recreate the mail they said.
sealed tome of the lost legion
is the name
dense plover
wouldve been sent back
thats probably why it cant be restored
after 30 days it gets sent back
pale spear
yeah.
dense plover
then it has another 30 days
so check the character you sent it on
try to restore it using that character
harsh wedge
No character copy available ?
dense plover
also i thought the tomb was soul bound
dense plover
^
pale spear
it wasn't up on broxigar
dense plover
its a bit buggy
harsh wedge
Oh ok thanks
pale spear
i went to the server with a K
harsh wedge
Found one where it is available, thanks
pale spear
sadly went on all the toons on item restoration and its not there. its gone forvever. i paid a decent amount fo rit.
uncut vault
the quest item is soulbound, the sealed tome of the lost legion is tradeable
pale spear
yeah i had the sealed tome of lost legion
meager warren
Someone has to say it
"No."
uncut vault
probably means login screen and all the music is next build
uncut vault
Im really hoping we get a Sylvanas/Windrunner track
uncut vault
Anduin's got one, Jaina's got one, she really needs a theme too
uncut vault
4:30 reminded me of the scourge/undercity music a bit
dense plover
since the screen is there
oh im tlaking about the part right before that
the whole thing is great so far
i love the twist on the base theme especially
oh
4min 30 is tiragarde music
or music and scenes arent related
unsure
honestly it sounds more like raid music
it definitely is
it has the base nazmir theme running through parts of it
oh
the freehold theme is the tiragarde theme
well, a variation is
genius
oh
nazmir transition is abrupt
i like how it has the same back beat as the freehold stuff though
so its like an indirect transition
zealous basalt
...Will I really need to read Before The Storm to play BfA?
hollow dock
No? It's supplementary
dense plover
nobbel will have a video for sure
hollow dock
that's what all the books have been
drowsy wolf
So, is the Teldrasil quest line finish able yet?
dense plover
except for war crimes
dont think so
holy shit - the music at around 9min 50 is my favorite so far
the use of deep strings and low brass with violin overture
đ
drowsy wolf
All the important stuff that pertains to the expansion has been given to us already. The book gives context to those excerpts.
dense plover
man, so many people in the comments dissing the legion login music
i liked the legion theme
uncut vault
only one that was really needed for a lot of context was War Crimes, and even that was resolved via explanations in the legendary quest/hellscream short
dense plover
yeah, war ccrimes was the worst offender
uncut vault
I expect Calia to show up in BfA but theyll do a good job of explaining what happened to her
and so far the only reference to Before the Storm is the graves
hollow dock
I honestly dont like most of WoWs music.
drowsy wolf
What theme song are you all referring to?
uncut vault
drowsy wolf
k, thanks. I hadn't checked WoWhead in a few hours
Do they ever expect us to login to the game, when we can listen to this?
zealous basalt
What is that part at 7;30
zealous basalt
goddes
pale spear
wow assassination rogue mage tower is easy
zealous basalt
All the towers are easy if you know what the heck are you doing
dense plover
3min is new music
broken bridge
omg that main theme
so much more... less foreboding... than Legion's. I love it sooo much
uncut vault
Legion's used a lot of Illidan's theme, which is very ominous, this uses a good mixture of Anduin's and what I can only assume is Sylvanas'
broken bridge
I know not much of the music has been released yet
but I had a feeling of some possibly Kul'Tiras music near the beginning too
plus the different zones like Golden City and Freehold Town
the end felt very Indiana Jones-ish to me
zealous basalt
Which realms are the ones with char copy?
hollow dock
anasterian has em
zealous basalt
ehh
is this normal?
I mean, I know monks are supposed to be weapon masters but...
drowsy wolf
Just switch the hands of your weapons and back again. Happens all the time with different weapon types.
drowsy wolf
Don't worry. As long as you keep those weapons, you'll see them every time you log on...
zealous basalt
this is really fun
Oh, the stat squish numbers are interesting
OH
Not only in WoW but the communities can be used on another blizzard games?
zealous basalt
No more lightning when you fall with monks
:c
Oh they never fixed the sudden flashes on the ap bar
huh
Out of vision doesn't work atm in the ptr
And they never fixed Ban-lu's spanish bug
rich apex
That tease
tropic trail
well ima test what's on the PTR
tropic trail
wait do I have a beta or is this on PTR?
I had no idea
but I can see kul tiras and stuff now
Also do they plan on making Zandalar and Kul Tiras smaller?
on the map
the selections are smaller
zealous basalt
No
zealous basalt
Other guards are weaker
hollow dock
they didnt fix the mana bars tho
zealous basalt
I supposed they are boosted to be better in these low level areas
hollow dock
everyone still has 2mil+ mana
zealous basalt
in ptr or in beta?
hollow dock
ptr
zealous basalt
There are some broken stuff in ptr like some trinkets
"Where do we take the mission to do the burning of Teldrassil"
wild pewter
No character copy on PTR?
zealous basalt
Some realms
wild pewter
I main a Dwarf... does anyone else find that on Beta and PTR, the camera is now odd? My dwarf is below the centre of the screen, instead of having the camera trained on him
uncut vault
it is
new camera changes center on where the human model head is
I was hoping theyd adjust the camera fixes for other races but they havent
zealous basalt
Press F to pay respect to classes that were dependant on artifacts for rotations
hollow dock
the only ones that were had their artifacts added in baseline. Like unholy.
zealous basalt
more like talent
hollow dock
its not a talent. It was baked in
untold fractal
Idk Phoenix flame is a pretty important part of a fire mages rotation and itâs been slotted as a talent, not a base line ability.
grizzled sleet
Bad, very bad
zealous basalt
squishy?
untold fractal
^
zealous basalt
isn't teleport heal baseline?
untold fractal
I am so going to miss cauterizing blink
zealous basalt
I swear I got myself healed with the telepot
zealous basalt
Tho
untold fractal
I hope cauterizing blink some how makes it was into Azerite armor
grizzled sleet
vivify heal is not bad, but not enough
zealous basalt
It heals more than the current we have
I mean, I use the pvp talent and heal myself every 3 seconds after burning some stuff
grizzled sleet
unless you have a heal in your back, you can't be as good as legion ww
and fist stun is gone
forever
zealous basalt
And we get a xuen summon if we hit at least 3 peebs with the spin kick
not bad tbh
grizzled sleet
not that useful
grizzled sleet
but BM is perfect
zealous basalt
Classes are attuned for 120
grizzled sleet
not sure about Hati talent (second pet) it's too slow it doesn't follow well
it's worse than hati tbh
hollow dock
it's been following me perfectly fine
grizzled sleet
I mean
hollow dock
unless you mean something else
grizzled sleet
in pvp
hollow dock
on follow
hollow dock
oh pvp is always garbage tho
hollow dock
well yea
zealous basalt
I like Warmode
grizzled sleet
and it's always out of range for KC XD
hollow dock
Clearly not a talent for PVP then :p
grizzled sleet
dire beast is better for pvp
hollow dock
because bugs
zealous basalt
Some mage blasted my ass after I hide behind a tree
zealous basalt
Elwynn
grizzled sleet
elwynn trees are buggy
but in BFA it should be good, on kultiras and zandalar
fury war is bad for world pvp with gcd, even after the changes
still good for pve
zealous basalt
i don't feel the gcd
grizzled sleet
try facing some classes like hunt bm / mm rogue sub / assa, arcane / frost mage
it's almost impossible to kill
grizzled sleet
also war lost the x3 heroic
pvp talent
as a bm it's fun to use both Dire beast : Hawk and Dire beast : Basilisk at the same time while stunning the target
wild pewter
I don't understand why the cameras are the way they are... just seems broken.
zealous basalt
Same thing happened with the old action cam
grizzled sleet
Did someone say...Thunderfury, broken blade of the bugseeker?
zealous basalt
Last one to linkThunderfury, broken blade of the bugseeker gets 100k
grizzled sleet
100k azerite
subtle mason
hey guys... is this normal?
is anyone else suffering serious visibiity bugs in the PTR since today?
*visibility
plain vigil
@subtle mason You usually run wow 32 bit?
Cause it could be your graphics card can't handle ptr's 64 bit
subtle mason
I'm gonna be honest and maybe look like an idiot: i don't know đŚ
how can i find out?
or change /fix it?
plain vigil
Go to your computer panel and click system info
grizzled sleet
Settings => System => About => See if you got 32 or 64 bits
plain vigil
Tell me what graphics card you have
tropic trail
oh shoot, I forgot about the switch to 64 only. A lot of people are suddenly going to start having issues and have no idea why
subtle mason
kk one sec
subtle mason
i have 64 bits
subtle mason
no, i specifically waited for it to download after i saw this problem the first time
tropic trail
jk, just looked at the screenshot again
subtle mason
run the repair tool even
the screenshot is actually pretty mild lol if u saw the real thing as it plays you will see it much worse
grizzled sleet
did you try switching to directx11 instead of 12 ?
subtle mason
*ran
plain vigil
It looks like a directx lighting/graphics issue
subtle mason
nope havent tried that. how do i do it? đŚ
tropic trail
I'm not nearly as tech savvy as I like to pretend, so I'd go with what gandem is saying
grizzled sleet
in the game options
System => Advanced
System => Advanced => Graphic API => Directx11
subtle mason
ok ill try
plain vigil
I'm a computer Science Major not a computer Engineering major. Don't look at me đ
grizzled sleet
Science or engineering major means nothing at war. You're just an Alliance / Horde Solder now
tropic trail
did it get worse?
grizzled sleet
are you on a laptop?
subtle mason
yea
grizzled sleet
do you have double graphic cards?
tropic trail
double graphics cards on a laptop?
grizzled sleet
yes
tropic trail
derp I'm dumb
grizzled sleet
wow let you choose what graphic card you want to use now
subtle mason
i have an AMD Radeon HD 8730M
and apparentl, i also have an Intel (R) HD Graphics 4000 (Low Power)
i assume the latter is shittier
grizzled sleet
try switching between both and see if the problem is the same
tropic trail
ok, then yeah, mimig is probably right, go into settings and make sure you're using the AMD card
grizzled sleet
if the problem is the same with both then it's not a graphic card problem
subtle mason
tried both, still bad lol
grizzled sleet
so the problem is not with graphic card
subtle mason
i should point out it doesnt happen with the regular wow client
only the PTR
regular looks fine
grizzled sleet
you got the same system settings in normal wow client and ptr ?
subtle mason
yea
grizzled sleet
did you try disabling them ?
subtle mason
i dont see them anywhere on ptr
grizzled sleet
ah so you don't have any addon in the ptr
subtle mason
you mean disabling them in regular client?
grizzled sleet
no
subtle mason
nope
grizzled sleet
try switching between full screen mode and windowed mode
grizzled sleet
same problem as before ?
subtle mason
no no
looks perfect
i mean, as in no bugs
still looks a bit ifnerior compared to fullscreen, but in the usual way
subtle mason
kk
it works lol
i went back to fullscreen and looks fine now
but something tells me if i restart in fullscreen is back to glitch hell
grizzled sleet
at least you know how to solve it if it happen again now so I think it's fine now đ
subtle mason
yeah, its fine for now
i just hope i dont get this problem in the main game when patch 8 comes out đŚ
subtle mason
fingers crossedl ol
tks for the support guys
sorry for being kind of a noob when it comes to technical problems like this
i normally dont learn anything until i need it
then i never forget it lol
grizzled sleet
lime kiln
Are the Pre-Patch events/scenarios available yet on the PTR?
lime kiln
Well, damn.
grizzled sleet
You can just prepare for war
cinder osprey
Is is just me or is there no way to copy characters onto the ptr?
cinder osprey
I found it, thanks
lime kiln
NP
plain vigil
Oh btw undocumented BFA change
The game now automatically runs on windowed full screen mode
Fullscreen mode is removed
lime kiln
Oh and btw, this looks really weird.
untold fractal
I like it... not that I will be using it too much, I very much like elvui
uncut vault
@untold fractal cauterizing blink is an azerite trait
A second row one too, so it doesnât interfere with damage talents
uncut vault
Iâm sad about Phoenix Flames not being baseline too, but both are better than it just being gone
karmic copper
The bfa theme sounds really good
uncut vault
Im hoping they realize how important it is to fire burst rotation and add it baseline, make the talents into the artifact traits
untold fractal
I most definitely going to choose phoenix flames.. its too much a part of my rotation
uncut vault
The stat buff + bounce
lime kiln
At least Lone Wolf is now baseline for MM hunters... me likey đ
untold fractal
have those changes to the talents benn put on the ptr?
lime kiln
I think so
All of the system changes are up for testing on the PTR
Just not any content
uncut vault
Kul tiran men got new anims this build
untold fractal
thats a little disappointing
lime kiln
Well good for them
lime kiln
Sexy Man
zealous basalt
wat the fuck
untold fractal
I mean if you like bears, sure
lime kiln
Kinda
meager warren
Maybe a little thinner tho
lime kiln
The thin variant of it looks.... certainly odd