beta-ptr-spoilers

[tropic trail]

every single toy nerf, forced PL in dungeons, scaling mobs, pvp templated in world pvp

removing tmog for certain items

list goes on

[hollow dock]

they haven't removed tmog)

what

[tropic trail]

demo is bae yes

they restricted many items that could be transmoggable

[hollow dock]

they never Add it to certain items

[tropic trail]

of I forgot Im on wowhead discord

[hollow dock]

but they never removed it

[tropic trail]

fanboyism is strong here xd

[hollow dock]

If you make a false claim

yes

we call you out on it

[tropic trail]

it's not false

[hollow dock]

Show me

please.

[zealous basalt]

Scaling mobs is fun tho

[hollow dock]

One item they've removed tmog from

[tropic trail]

theres many items they HOTFIX remove tmogability

[hollow dock]

Show

[tropic trail]

yes thats REMOVING

[hollow dock]

Show

[tropic trail]

the glasses w.e they were called

[hollow dock]

Those were moggable during the event only

next?

[zealous basalt]

The ones from the event?

[tropic trail]

no they claimed that AFTER removing it

fanboysm

[hollow dock]

Nope

[zealous basalt]

No

[hollow dock]

they stated

[zealous basalt]

Really

[tropic trail]

over 9000

[hollow dock]

on the item itself

"Usable during event"

[zealous basalt]

They said that it is only available during event

[hollow dock]

People don't read

[tropic trail]

there have been a bajilion things they nerfed

[hollow dock]

and get confused

[tropic trail]

emerald winds

during early legion

skyhorn kite

[hollow dock]

Emerald Winds has worked for me the exact same all expac

[tranquil steeple]

always assume an item introduced during an event is only transmoggable during that event, if it has a unique look

[hollow dock]

It launches me

and I hit my kite

[tropic trail]

kite cd has been nerfed to 15 misn from 2

[hollow dock]

that's

good?

[tropic trail]

you're assuming you know more than me

[hollow dock]

it's shorter CD

[tropic trail]

don't be mistaken 😉

[still lily]

What lol. They have event exclusive transmogs so it doesn't look like a Korean mmo with everyone in the lewd Playboy Easter Bunny gear

[tropic trail]

how is it good?

[hollow dock]

Oh misread

you said from 2 to 15

[tropic trail]

no, look I don't even like the goggles

[hollow dock]

It's not removing its mog

when the events back

the mogs back

[tropic trail]

but claiming that Blizz has NEVER EVER ruined fun

[hollow dock]

so please

[tropic trail]

is ignorant

[hollow dock]

show me another

[tropic trail]

beyond fanboyism

[zealous basalt]

Fun for you, agony for others?

[hollow dock]

I never stated they didn't ruin fun? You're claims for their fun ruining are false and in question

[tropic trail]

false, only in your head, cause you're ignorant 😉

[hollow dock]

So you're saying Im ignorant

even though you refuse to back up your claims

[dense plover]

Yeah I’m sorry but I’m with vris here

[tropic trail]

bro, they hotfix a tauren baby on your back from a quest for no reason at all

[dense plover]

They don’t hotfix mogs

[tropic trail]

5 months into the expansion

[urban dew]

Not sure what's going on in here but it does not look fun.

[dense plover]

No they didn’t

[hollow dock]

No?

it's still there

[dense plover]

Moozy still works

[hollow dock]

He disappears when you leave the area

[dense plover]

The fuck are you lying for?

Moozy works as long as you’re in highmountain

[tropic trail]

what about FORCED PL then?

in BFA

[urban dew]

Pl?

[dense plover]

That’s good for 99% of players

[tropic trail]

personal loot

[zealous basalt]

Personal loot

[tropic trail]

that's good for casuals

[urban dew]

Oh

[dense plover]

It only affects the top 1%

[urban dew]

I don't care that much about that

[dense plover]

and it probably caused more technical issues than it solved

[tropic trail]

not really, having say a tier slot not dropping for months is good, because

then again no tier

make it trinket

[dense plover]

Although I’m sure you think it’s because blizzard hates the players right?

[tropic trail]

cause PL decides you want wrists gimme a break

nothing wrong with guild ML

[dense plover]

Yes there was

Tons of people got scammed of loot

[zealous basalt]

I mean, it could be the same if you are raiding in PuG

[hollow dock]

I mean. You dont have tier in BFA

so PL doesn't matter

[dense plover]

And it caused tons of customer support issues

[hollow dock]

as for the group content

[tropic trail]

Blizz main motive is the ridicilous tickets they get for loot distribution

[zealous basalt]

You got ninjaed sstuff

[hollow dock]

Guild ML still happens

[dense plover]

Yes it is

It caused more issues

And I’m sure it wasn’t used by that many people

Blizz knows the exact use percentage

[hollow dock]

Guilds mostly

but in all honesty

the only thing hurt is pugs.

[zealous basalt]

I personally dont feel the difference

[dense plover]

I promise that percentage was less than 10%

[hollow dock]

Guilds aren't hurt by it in the least

[dense plover]

Probably less than 5%

[zealous basalt]

I always have a bad luck getting gear

So

[tropic trail]

guilds will still split run PL changes nothing

[hollow dock]

yup.

[tropic trail]

also no you're wrong that 99% like PL

[hollow dock]

it only really slows down pugs

[tropic trail]

I detest PL

[dense plover]

I’m not saying they like it

I’m saying it isn’t used by enough people to warrant maintaining it

[hollow dock]

It's almost like

Blizz

is

enforcing

and enticing

[dense plover]

Especially with all the trouble it caused blizzard

[hollow dock]

guild runs

[zealous basalt]

Tho with PL ninjas dont exist

[hollow dock]

over pugs

[tropic trail]

it's not used, because they PROHIBIT it

outside of guilds

duh

[hollow dock]

weird

[tropic trail]

if they dont it would be used by roughly half

[hollow dock]

they hate social interaction I thought

[dense plover]

Lol

It used to work like that

[hollow dock]

and don't encourage it

[dense plover]

It was not used by that many groups

[tropic trail]

having items actually DROP is bad I see 😄

[zealous basalt]

What wasnt?

[dense plover]

They are more likely to drop with personal loot

[hollow dock]

same amount of loot drops

and in fact

more drops

[dense plover]

Like literally, that’s what the numbers say

[hollow dock]

with PL

[tropic trail]

so fun to watch Mister Jop Brohan Plebenson get 12 items in a roll

cause RNG

[dense plover]

You can’t argue with facts

[tropic trail]

you get AP

[zealous basalt]

Better than nothing I guess?

[tropic trail]

oppinions in numbers

link me the official poll of PL vs ML then xd

[hollow dock]

more loot drops with PL. It may not be for you?

but that doesn't change that more drops happen.

[tropic trail]

PL is more used cause it's the ONLY loot for pugs

[dense plover]

I’m not talking about opinions

[tranquil steeple]

it's almost like WoW is pretty much BUILT on RNG when it comes to drops

[dense plover]

I don’t give a duck about opinikns

[hollow dock]

Peach really doesn't

[dense plover]

I’m talking numbers of loot dropped

[tropic trail]

more drops is hardly true

maybe 1 item

[hollow dock]

he does his best to push it out

[dense plover]

It’s 100% true

[hollow dock]

and yes it is true dem. Even Ion has said on the topic of personal loot that yes, on average more items drop with PL than ML

[still lily]

You can change loot to dice rolls and master loot in pugs. Not lfr but you can for groups you personally find

[tropic trail]

not always

[dense plover]

More items drop with personal loot overall on average

[tropic trail]

what if RNG PL decides to drop 3 items on a wanted boss

[hollow dock]

Unless you're claiming the game director doesn't know his own game?

[dense plover]

That could happen with master loot too

[tropic trail]

yes I am

Ion is clueless

[hollow dock]

Alright peach

we dont have to continue

[dense plover]

Rng happened on all difficulties

On all looting types

[hollow dock]

We don't have to keep going on this Peach

[dense plover]

You are making up data to support your poiny

[hollow dock]

He thinks Ion doesn't know his own game

[dense plover]

So kindly fuck off

[still lily]

Peach uh what's your favorite race?

[hollow dock]

so just let it go

[zealous basalt]

I mean

[dense plover]

And muted

[tropic trail]

Ion makes the game HE SEES fit

[dense plover]

Favorite race is Tauren

[tropic trail]

not what the community wants

[zealous basalt]

Why would you want to see loot if it isnt yours?

[dense plover]

They’re big cow people and I love the Native American culture

[tropic trail]

immersion ;P

[hollow dock]

I would suggest that you do just stop Dem

you're at this point

just disrupting

[zealous basalt]

Like if I want to see loot I want it to be mine

[tropic trail]

yes fanboyism is too strong here

[dense plover]

Just stop with them

Move on

What’s your favorite race and why?

[hollow dock]

Night elves pre-cataclysm

[dense plover]

Why?

[tropic trail]

zandalari cause all tmogs look betetr on them

[zealous basalt]

I stated humans master race

[tropic trail]

on purpose $$$ race changes

[dense plover]

Seriously

Dude

Stop trying to flame

Not gonna work

[hollow dock]

I absolutely adore their lore, their attitude as a race, the savagery and the fact that it's a woman race that's able to actually defend itself.

[dense plover]

We done

[hollow dock]

Until cataclysm

when the nerf bat hit em

[dense plover]

You mean when they became softies?

[tropic trail]

what do you mean

[hollow dock]

yea

[tropic trail]

what happened to nelfs in cata

[dense plover]

Hope we see a shift in bfa

[hollow dock]

Same peach

I want to see the nelves that made Grom take a step back. Admire them.

not....these.....things

[dense plover]

It seems like it from what we have seen of Malfuriin

[hollow dock]

I wanna see the nelves I first fell in love with ;3;

[tropic trail]

Im shocked Malf doesnt solo the horde fleet with tornadoes xd

[still lily]

@dense plover my favorite race is also Tauren but probably Draenei

Tauren are good boys

And lightforged are space goat Jesus

[hollow dock]

My current favorite race is probably Draenei/Lightforged.

[tropic trail]

WTB Krokuul allied race 😄

[grizzled sleet]

If you want more goats, I want more elves

[tropic trail]

don't we have enough of them already rofl

what's next Highborne nelfs, High elfs... HALF ELFS?

[hollow dock]

Highborne nelves already exist

in the night elf customizations

[grizzled sleet]

Undead elves

[tropic trail]

nightborne are kinda highborne

[hollow dock]

They are

[tropic trail]

not all of them tbh

[grizzled sleet]

But what we really need is this : https://i.redditmedia.com/UnWlwQehlTlNunEAaulqP88AvQzIkGUFWoKHdk6mP5U.png?w=460&s=a136027288995651f53e70902f9d0fab

[hollow dock]

Most of them

GIMME

DEM

SNITTIES

NOW

[grizzled sleet]

XD

[zealous basalt]

Peach

[tropic trail]

idk how snake guys will work with helms tbh

[grizzled sleet]

just like worgen work with helms

[tropic trail]

they dont 😄

[hollow dock]

like worgen

or

[tropic trail]

I raced changed cause of how hideous some imba helms are on them

[hollow dock]

tauren

and yes they do. Someone made a mock up

it fits

[tropic trail]

but the crown thingy makes helms even harder

[hollow dock]

not at all

[grizzled sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/bNAjMBE.png

[hollow dock]

It's no different than the tauren mane

or the hump of a worgen ^

[tropic trail]

looks ok, but how about at the back

clipping 101

[hollow dock]

Everything clips in this game

[zealous basalt]

The weapons of the monk

The lightning blades

Are the prime example of clipping

[hollow dock]

back sheathing weapons

in general

[zealous basalt]

Seriously tho

[hollow dock]

Fury warriors have it at the worst

[zealous basalt]

Why monks have freaking lightning blades

[hollow dock]

since no 2hs go on the waist

[tropic trail]

I cant even unsheathe Ulthalesh without it clipping in the ground like a shovel xd

[hollow dock]

yea. Everything clips in the game :p sad reality of an MMO

[urban dew]

STOP WITH THE SNITTIES

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hollow dock]

NEVER

SNITTIES

AND

BITTIES

[tropic trail]

is Uldir gonna be the only raid at launch?

or it it gonna be the EN of BFA

[hollow dock]

It'll be like emerald nightmare

It won't be open at launch but open some time after.

[urban dew]

Supposedly. Also, a raid map was found of Zuldazar

[tropic trail]

1 month-ish prolly

[urban dew]

So that may be a small ToV-like raid

[hollow dock]

1-1.5 months

[zealous basalt]

.5 raids pls

[hollow dock]

roughly

Please dont tune them like ToV tho

[zealous basalt]

Blizz you promised mini raids

You promised me a donkey

[tropic trail]

will they change some of the legendaries that require artifact traits or too much work?

they de-activate 115 right?

[hollow dock]

The legendaries disable at around 115 yea

IIRC

[tropic trail]

meh no point then

[hollow dock]

the artifacts and legendary things

revert

[tropic trail]

sephuz bis NOW yeaaah

[hollow dock]

in like

timewlaking

timewalking*

[tropic trail]

so the artifact will WORK?

in TW

[hollow dock]

IF

and this is a very big IF

they treat it like the legnedary cloaks

and the ring

[tropic trail]

that would be awesome kinda like ppl that have MO cloaks

but the scalings they did

made TW TWINKING KINDA OBSOLETE

oops caps

[hollow dock]

not really?

the legendary stuff still matters a hella lot

[tropic trail]

a full geared TW twink is barely stronger

[zealous basalt]

Giving the artifacts the old traits?

[hollow dock]

You must run in some wonky groups

my twink is always pulling ahead by 20%

[tropic trail]

really, say MOP items have like 50% inherently less stats than scaled legion item

[hollow dock]

cuz ring and cloak

[tropic trail]

sure gems push them ahead

purp ring is ok-ish

[hollow dock]

four legendaries

and if its

the uh

BC

[zealous basalt]

The ring only gives 1% of boom

[tropic trail]

still overall a full twinked TW will be like 25% stronger opposed to like double it was b4

they also overbuffed TW dungeons in 7.3.5 ppl barely do them anymore

[hollow dock]

weaker? yea. Obsolete like you claimed not 5 minutes ago?

no

[tropic trail]

well yes, but ti was fun when TW twink could like do 50% of the grp dmg and solo bosses

see another example of when blizz ruined fun

[zealous basalt]

What you want is speed running

[tropic trail]

TW are aids atm, last time I did them it took longer than the actual wotlk hc

[hollow dock]

I mean.

not for me?

but sorry they are for you

still a snore feast for me, pre and post buff

[tropic trail]

well you found some magic formula to avoid that TW mobs have double the scaling

😛

[hollow dock]

not really

we jus tkill it

like 5-10 seconds

[tropic trail]

I'm not saying myth raid difficulty but it's slower

[hollow dock]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I've not really taken any notice

[tropic trail]

some bosses have like 2m hp in wotlk hc xd

tw*

[hollow dock]

Which ones? o=

that doesn't sound quite right

unless they have mechanics to compensate

which is normal

Like ozumat has 300milish HP

but you get a huge buff to damage and health

[tropic trail]

keristrasza or w.e her name was

in oculus had like 1.7m

for a party doing like 6k dps was slow af

[hollow dock]

O.o

[grizzled sleet]

I wonder, are legion legendaries still obtenable in BFA?

[hollow dock]

jesus you guys were terrible then

[zealous basalt]

Git gud?

[hollow dock]

my groups pulling 12-18k

[tropic trail]

6k PER player

not overall

[hollow dock]

yes

per

player

[tropic trail]

Im sleepy xd

[zealous basalt]

I deal 11k

[grizzled sleet]

Can we still get legion legendaries on BFA?

[hollow dock]

Unknown

[tropic trail]

fully twinked I do like 12k in TW

[hollow dock]

we might

[tropic trail]

wotlk TW*

18k sounds outlandishly exxagerated

unless trash packs

[hollow dock]

🤷

it's what we're pulling. Four leggos, aman'thul trinks

[tropic trail]

depends on class think hunters are ridicilous in TW

[hollow dock]

1 hunter, 1 dk, 1 priest, 1 warlock and 1 paladin

[zealous basalt]

What set do you use vris

[hollow dock]

paladins our lowest

current set. Im the DK.

[tropic trail]

amanthuls barely matters in TW

but how does your full aprty have it wtf

luckers

[zealous basalt]

More like

[hollow dock]

We pug

a lot

[zealous basalt]

She raids a lot?

[hollow dock]

at the start

[tropic trail]

I have argus killed every week since launch on 3 chars

[zealous basalt]

Push personal loot gets better every week you dont get stuff

[tropic trail]

havent even seen it drop

so "raiding" a lot

doesnt help

[hollow dock]

My guilds had it drop twice

[tropic trail]

rng favor does ;P

[hollow dock]

my friends guild (our TM paladin) had it 4 times

in total to recent mind you

[zealous basalt]

Motherfucker

[tropic trail]

well if they go with 30 ppl each week I can imagine seeing it a few times

and alts and such

[hollow dock]

We're full raiding guilds so yea.

3-4 runs a week with 30 mains and 60-90 alt

alts*

[tropic trail]

still its like 0.1% drop or smthing

[grizzled sleet]

Azerite + legion legendaries + mop cloak + wod ring on TW = Oneshot everything

[zealous basalt]

Oof

Wat about current tier

[grizzled sleet]

Group name : Elite TW Raid Group
Description : /w Legion legendaries, mop cloak and wod ring to join

[zealous basalt]

Noes

[tropic trail]

dont forget gemmed and enchanted MOP gear!

[grizzled sleet]

[zealous basalt]

W8

Legendary meta gem

Artifacts

[tropic trail]

arcanocrystal as well

[zealous basalt]

With mop enchants

And pantheon

[grizzled sleet]

Amanthul vision + arcanocrystal

[tropic trail]

yes

[zealous basalt]

OOOF

Seriously tho

We are going to end

Full legos in Tw one day

[hollow dock]

inb4 they announce the legiondary limit is removed

[zealous basalt]

...

that would be good

If I had good leggos

And not ring

[tropic trail]

they tought of removing it

however they said it would be a horrible feeling being ultra powerful then suddenly at 115

you become weaksauce

[hollow dock]

It'd be fun in Timewalking

[tropic trail]

then again most of the legendaries dont do anything since theyre tied to artifact abilities or removed spells

[hollow dock]

to jus thave full legendaries

[tropic trail]

yes

but then ppl will qq why some have an advantage

[sour burrow]

@grizzled sleet Oh, so you're a fan of the snek artz eh? :P Surprised you're not in the Sethrak discord group, heh. And Vris, with all your Snitties jokes, dunno why you left the channel shortly after joining, lol.....

[hollow dock]

I joined, just looked around to see what's up, then left cuz to many discords as is

(in 20 atm)

[sour burrow]

:P That IS a lot, yeah.

Still, you'd fit right in there, haha

[still lily]

20 isn't a lot

o3o

[urban dew]

birbs

[still lily]

50 is the maximum pretty sure

20 isn't even half

[hollow dock]

For one person to keep jumping in and out of

yea it's a lot

[urban dew]

BIRBS

[hollow dock]

BITTIES

[urban dew]

NO

[tranquil steeple]

[still lily]

burbs are expensive af

[grizzled stone]

Teldrassil is an inside job!!

[still lily]

it is

[zealous basalt]

Someone alive

[viscid bobcat]

Anyonek now how to donate to the warfront as alliance?

I just did the warfront itself but no donation area?

[zealous basalt]

Perhaps not yet implemented

[ruby star]

You can donate war points but i think you can only do it while horde controls arathi highlands

Then once theres 100% war point donations your faction can do the warfronts while other faction does world quests etc in overworld

[viscid bobcat]

Hmm okay I just couldt find the npc to donate when they were in control either

[urban dew]

So what races do you guys think can make it out of AU Draenor?

[sullen dagger]

eredar

[urban dew]

Eredar?

[still lily]

Eredar are the red demon Draenei @urban dew

[urban dew]

I know, the legion was wiped out on AU Draenor though

[still lily]

These spook fuks

The big scary boys

Wait

Wait

I think by Eredar he just meant general draenei tho

[sullen dagger]

dunno, maybe reconverted eredar

but i'm adamant in that there will be no anthro subraces

maybe the next xpac we'll see some anthro full race

[still lily]

o3o

"No anthro subraces"

What

[sullen dagger]

but for the allied races... yeah, tough luck

[still lily]

THat makes no sense

[urban dew]

So you don't think Saberon or Arakkoa could make it?

As an Allied Race?

[sullen dagger]

no

too much work for blizz, imho

and they aint "subraces"

[urban dew]

Allied races isn't sub races though

[sullen dagger]

no?

who isnt?

[urban dew]

I don't know why people keep bringing that up

[sullen dagger]

which*

[still lily]

uhhhh da boiz

Da boiz ain't

[sullen dagger]

what?

[urban dew]

The first unique races we'll probably see this upcoming expansion are most likely going to be the Sethrak and Vulpera

As playable I mean

[sullen dagger]

that aint confirmed

try again

[still lily]

Or at the very least Vulpera since we already have recruitment dialogue for them*

[sullen dagger]

which allied race isnt a subrace

(confirmed)

[still lily]

We already have recruitment dialogue for Vulpera tho

So it's basically confirmed

[urban dew]

I don't know about recruitment dialogue, but there are already datamined animations that can all but officially confirm that they'll be playable

[sullen dagger]

that can be for the garrison 3.0

[urban dew]

They have a unique jump animation, Heart of Azeroth animation

A number of things

[sullen dagger]

i dunno, well see, but i'm retty sure you guys gong to be dissappointed with that

[still lily]

On top of that I think you're promoting a stigma by pairing "Allied race" and "Sub race" together

o3o

[urban dew]

I'm pretty sure I'm not

[still lily]

I meant Oma o3o

Not you

Smol boi

[urban dew]

There is far too much work put into the two for them to NOT be playable

I know, I was replying to him as well

[still lily]

And there's too much community outcry for them*

that's a uh

[sullen dagger]

hah

[still lily]

big thing

[sullen dagger]

like high elves you mean?

[still lily]

Void elves exist

Blood elves exist

o3o

People that want to "play high elves" Aren't educated o3o

Facts

[sullen dagger]

yyyyyep right

[urban dew]

High Elves are a bit of a touchy subject since there is nothing visually that separates them from blood elves. There's already far more work put into Sethrak and Vulpera.

[still lily]

o3o

Honestly I don't even understand the interest in high elves

The literal only difference would be culture o3o

[viscid bobcat]

yea bye dont need more elves anytime soon

Setrak are awesome

[still lily]

Sethrak aren't the hero this game needs, they're the hero this game deserves

[urban dew]

Some of the Helf people are awesome, and I hope they get what they wish for, but I honestly want something more unique first

[viscid bobcat]

Same

[urban dew]

It's why I'm fighting for AR Arakkoa

[still lily]

He is

batsnek

[urban dew]

Since Sethrak seem all but confirmed as well

[viscid bobcat]

Arakkoa would be cool... they need to be featured again though

[still lily]

Arakkoa horde plz

[viscid bobcat]

im all for it

[urban dew]

Well with what's going down on AU Draenor, they could work.

[viscid bobcat]

Yea

[still lily]

Birds vs sneks

It'd be like Mexico

[urban dew]

I'd prefer Alliance, but I'll be happy as stink as long as they're playable

[still lily]

birb vs snek confirmed

[urban dew]

Plus I was thinking since Horde get to see what's going on with Draenor, that Alliance should get a chance to see as well

[still lily]

Makes sense

Birb and snek on same team seems

counterintuitive

so

idk

[urban dew]

Would give Alliance a good amount of rather unique races

And I'm not asking for them to be put in any time soon

Just some time in the future

I think they're far too cool of a race to lose forever

[limber mural]

cough jinyu/hozen

[urban dew]

Jinyu and Hozen seem far more likely in the future

Mogu might even become playable

Not sure what it's chances are, but really, anything can happen if Blizzard wants to do it

[still lily]

Yo I'd play a Jinyu

[viscid bobcat]

sameeeee

[limber mural]

I think Pandaria needs a revisit tbh

[still lily]

Same

[limber mural]

Northrend always gets a look in

Outland sometimes

Draenor, it will now

[urban dew]

Need a healing Vale instead of the ruined Sha one.

[still lily]

Lets go back and tend to Pandaria's wounds in the vale of eternal blossoms

;-;

[limber mural]

Zidormi's what we fuckin need

[still lily]

Brass

gimme your hat

[limber mural]

no

my hat is forged in the blood of

uh lemme check

1,257 horde members

exactly

But the only revisit Pandaria's had since Pandaria, I believe, is with monk order hall campaign ofc

[still lily]

Well the order hall itself isn't even on Pandaria

it's on the wandering Isle

[limber mural]

well yeah but Fu Zan takes you back there

[still lily]

I guess it's like this cause everyone and their mother had a hissy fit about Pandas

<-<

[limber mural]

as does a lot of the campaign quests to Tian Monastery

Well whether ppl like it or not they're an entire section of the fuckin game world

[still lily]

I guess they want to keep Pandaria to monks only since so many people got mega miffed at Pandas existing as a canon race

[limber mural]

Can't just confine it to old stuff

[still lily]

Yeah but the "muh [insert nostalgia opinion here]" People will get super miffed if Pandaria gets revisited

This is why we can't have nice things

[limber mural]

tbh

probably why they revisit northrend every 5 minutes

cause everyone's 'Wrath master xpac'

[still lily]

"Maybe the answer to our problem is in the continent we've already found everything in"

"Ya know, not in the completely mysterious land of Pandaria that might house secrets of wealth and power that might bring peace to everyone"

[limber mural]

tbh I agree that most of the world's answers may not be in pandaria

[still lily]

God I hated the Alliance beginning as Pandaren

[limber mural]

since pandaria got stagnated from the rest of the world for decades

[still lily]

Everyone was such a bully

I mean that might lead to some more answers though

[limber mural]

Well the Horde are more 'sure yeah you're weird lookin but what else is new'

And it's a bit more obvious Garrosh is expecting you, and has told his guards such, than Varian

I mean varian was nice

[still lily]

A look into their culture

and what leads them to be such good boys

Aside from the constant threat of one bad mood having the possibility to spawn a demonic creature that might end your life in an instant

[limber mural]

and you don't exactly get furbolgs in Durotar so not much to compare them to

[still lily]

Was lagging

sorry

[limber mural]

noticed

[still lily]

I mean the guards and everyone else was kinda dicks

o3o

I mean children didn't know any better

[limber mural]

Honestly I think the pandaren should get a look in in BfA

[still lily]

and that Worgen dude wasn't mean he was just uhh

a bit silly

and creepy

[limber mural]

cause considering their original motive for going with the Alliance and the Horde

the events of BfA may be asking a little much for some

[still lily]

yeah o3o

But knowing the tyrannical past of both factions when it comes to War pandarens might be a bit scared to speak up

[limber mural]

I'd frankly take a questline of 'some pandaren have disappeared. find where they went'

[still lily]

Especially with the Alliance

[limber mural]

And it turns out 'yeah we've tried our part, y'all beyond helping, we've unified Pandaria, fuck y'all seeya'

like I wouldn't blame Pandaria for looking at the rest of the world, looking at what they've got back at home, and there emerging a considerable voice in Pandaria to go back to isolation

[still lily]

tbh that'd be reasonable

[limber mural]

And you have the factions in Pandaria split on the matter

[still lily]

Seeing as everyone has a constant hateboner even when nothing is going on

o3o

[limber mural]

The Lorewalkers and the Monks would probably attempt to maintain a middle ground

[still lily]

"Garrosh existed at one point, I hate all horde forever" Proudmoore and "ror i kill all undead" Greymane

[limber mural]

The Shado-Pan would probably opt for isolation, since Zhu hates us all anyway

[still lily]

Ya know to an extent Greymane is still valid so never mind that

[limber mural]

and Cho would probably be trying to keep them from each others' throats

[still lily]

But Jaina is just flipping the fuck out over nothing now

and causing war

[limber mural]

and tyrande's a massive racist

[still lily]

Tyrande's a cunt, Jaina is a bitch that overreacts, Greymane is a pupper, Anduin is a young boi with a pupper (Greymane being that pupper), and Sylvanas isn't helping

Not saying she was overreacting when the bombing happened

But she certainly is now

[limber mural]

*Anduin is a young boi with a mad pupper and the chillest wisest boi in the entire fucking character list

[still lily]

and you have khadgar who is like

such a fucking

spaz

[limber mural]

khadgar tried

[still lily]

He tried and now he's just like "Myehhhh gimme tea and cookies"

[limber mural]

although I'll be quite happy to move on from him and dalaran

[urban dew]

Khadgar doesn't want us fighting while Azeroth is wounded

But we just ignore him and do it anyways

We already followed you for 2 xpacs old man! No more!

[limber mural]

A lot of BfA can be put down to

'this is a bad idea'

'but let's do it anyways'

[urban dew]

Pretty much

[still lily]

Everyone's reaction to Khadgar doing anything

[limber mural]

'mining this substance that popped up when Sargeras stabbed the planet, which we all know now to be a world soul, and warring each other with it is a bad idea'

'but let's do it anyway'

[still lily]

o3o

[urban dew]

Our world is dying, but let's kill each other! That'll save everyone!

[still lily]

Meanwhile, in every Human main's mind
FUCK THE HORDE, FUCK THIS, FUCK THAT, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[limber mural]

'starting a fucking war while we know for a fact 2/3 of our major enemies are by no means defeated is a bad idea'

'but let's do it anyway'

[urban dew]

"Old gods? Pssh, what are they gonna do?"

[limber mural]

tbh as I see it we have 3 priorities

Burning Legion, done now

Void, hindered

Nightmare... stunted

[still lily]

Also forgetting about Kel Thuzad and Naxxramas still not entirely defeated o3o

We still need Kel Thuzad's soul pot thing

[limber mural]

can't we just bomb naxxramas

[still lily]

And if Kel Thuzad gets revived we're going to see another rise of the scourge o3o

[limber mural]

we've bombed everything else that made no sense

Tbh

[still lily]

Nah cause if we do then militarized demon aids will flood northrend and we won't be able to go back to everyone's favourite continent

[limber mural]

The world's gonna attack the Ebon Blade cause they're all assholes

[still lily]

Hey Ebon Blade did nothing wrong today

They want to die as much as we want them dead

but sadly we can't all have what we want

[limber mural]

And then they're gonna have to reveal they're serving a new Lich King

And then rise of the Scourge

[still lily]

I mean the new lich king hasn't done anything wrong

o3o

[limber mural]

...much

[still lily]

mr dragon face is a fine young man

mr flamey face

is a good boy

[limber mural]

except like, ordering the desecration of most of the greatly revered sites of Alliance, Horde and the Argent Crusade

and the Red Dragonflight

[still lily]

better than uh

barking

Like Genn

Do you ever think he barks at night to annoy his neighbors?

Or like he can't stay in certain inns cause they aren't dog friendly?

ooo what about if someone comes near his house while he's asleep

Does he just like hop out of bed and start borking

[limber mural]

'We have her cornered, my kin-OMG SQUIRREL'

[still lily]

"sylvanas just, sit here a moment. Don't do any evil banshee things while I go attend to this very important matter"

meanwhile, squirrel chasing

[limber mural]

also can we discuss how Nathanos is still smoky prettyboi after Genn literally ripped his throat out

[still lily]

I mean

Undead life insurance plans

Are pretty rad

tbh

Especially when you're the banshee queen's personal boy toy

[urban dew]

I'd actually like to see some sort of insectoid Allied Race in the future

Would be pretty neat

[still lily]

Mantid confirmed

[urban dew]

Mantid would be pretty cool

Would like any insectoid race in general

[still lily]

@urban dew who elected you ambassador of birbsneks

[urban dew]

I am self-proclaimed

[hollow dock]

Does that mean

we get

the

itties

[urban dew]

Why must you torture me so

[still lily]

what are the itties?

[hollow dock]

insect

titties

I guess it would be more intties

[terse patrol]

I dont foresee an insect playable race.

[hollow dock]

yea intties are just plain weird

[urban dew]

Anything can happen, honestly

Now that Blizz only needs working models with animations for classes because of Allied Races.

[terse patrol]

ehhhh

Question is: would people even play them.

[urban dew]

I would

I know others would

Why not play a cool race?

[viscid bobcat]

nobody plays pandas

[urban dew]

I do

[viscid bobcat]

I mostly say that to mean I dont think it matters if a ton of people play them

If they like them they'll make them

[urban dew]

I like their racials, and the new casting animations are pretty good

[viscid bobcat]

which race?

pandas? they have new animations??

[hollow dock]

they're talkin aboot the new casting animations for the caster overhaul and how they look nice on pandas

[urban dew]

Ye

[viscid bobcat]

ohhh true

yea bouncy is a pretty nice racial tbh

always effective

[urban dew]

Even though I got slow fall, sometimes I'm just way too late to hit it

[viscid bobcat]

lol

[urban dew]

Yeah, I'm a sorry excuse for a mage at times.

[uncut vault]

blink usually works better for falling

cause its faster + momentum

[viscid bobcat]

yeah I love blinking for falling dont even need slow fall

[urban dew]

I sometimes time that poorly too

[hollow dock]

I think its fair to say that the deadliest thingin all of WoW is: Gravity.

[urban dew]

I've died more to the elevator boss than any actual boss

I think Garrosh or KJ are close seconds.

[tropic trail]

do you think a GREEN felhound of sargeras would be a more fitting reward for 400 mounts?

or a light infused one

[viscid bobcat]

instead of a boring blue unicorn? 😂

yes

[uncut vault]

Unicorn isnt the 400 mount reward

[hollow dock]

unicorns rep isn't it?

[uncut vault]

It is, replaced the essentially identical copy of the dark phoenix

[hollow dock]

its the green flametalon that's the 400 mount reward

[viscid bobcat]

oh I was lied to

[uncut vault]

Both mount changes were good IMO, rep one was changed from an identical mount to an armorless variant of one of the pvp mounts, 400 mount one was changed from a recolor of an easy to obtain mount to a recolor of two other hard to obtain mounts

[hollow dock]

*void talon and flame talon

[tropic trail]

what happens with the artifact skins of feral druid and tank? (in bear+cat form)

[uncut vault]

We dont quite know yet, atm theyre tied to the appearances, but not all of them are there, and xmogging doesnt actually work

[steel venture]

and yknow
feral and guardians literalyl wont be using DW post-legion

since it was specifically tied to the artifact

so if it doesnt change we literally will never be able to use the forms because

why the hell would you take one fist weapon and an offhand or one dagger and an offhand as a guardian or feral.

[limber mural]

if we're not able to use the forms there'll be mass screaming

and rightfully so

[hollow dock]

I would be perturbed by it

but

wicker forms

[ruby star]

Q&A bois 14th june

[dense plover]

what is theree left to qa?

[hollow dock]

yup this thursday

[rich apex]

Plenty of balancing stuff for people to whine about

And hopefully an announcement for the prepatch

I can dream they'll confirm whether or not there'll be more Allied Races after KTs/Zandas

[zealous basalt]

I have a question for ion

What's next after BfA

Speaking technically

[rich apex]

[hollow dock]

the next expansion

probably

maybe

[rich apex]

Definitely

[zealous basalt]

"When are we going to receive a WoW Battle Royale"

[hollow dock]

somewhat

[rich apex]

Soon (TM)

Blizz will wait another few years to actually make a good Blizz Battle Royale

And then blow Fortnite out of the water right as people start to get bored of it

[zealous basalt]

"Prepatch when"

[hollow dock]

Prepatch was already told to us D=

[rich apex]

Orly?

[hollow dock]

4-6 weeks before BFA's launch

[rich apex]

That's not very specific 😛

[hollow dock]

that timeframe hasn't come up just yet.

[zealous basalt]

"Will you add Pathfinder for old world stuff?"

[hollow dock]

Why would they? O_o

the option to buy that flying is there.

[zealous basalt]

I mean, I prefer pathfinding to buying flight

[hollow dock]

Well that's fine for ya. From WoD onwards they are doing the pathfinder thing

[rich apex]

They ain't adding nothing for old content

[zealous basalt]

Fck

"Multi Core thrending when"

[hollow dock]

the heck is thrending

[zealous basalt]

Oops

I meant "multi core processing when instead of single"

[hollow dock]

When they stop making the game accessible to most people with older PCs

[zealous basalt]

Okay

Let me think of more memes

Hmm

[rich apex]

something something sethrak

[hollow dock]

something something vulpera

[zealous basalt]

Oh ye

[hollow dock]

something something high elves

[zealous basalt]

Official Blizzard Rule 34 when

[rich apex]

Ion: if you want to play a lizard person or a furry, Elder Scrolls Online is over there

[hollow dock]

with

snitties

[rich apex]

Argonians do indeed have snitties

Despite reproducing via tree sap

[zealous basalt]

Hmm

Oh of course

"Can I has beta"

NONONO

I have the perf question

"Why morally gray expac"

[rich apex]

Just wait

[sharp bluff]

something something half argonians lol

[rich apex]

N'zoth wins because Alliance and Horde are dumb

Azeroth is destroyed

WoW 2 begins

World of Warcraft: Age of Sigmar

I mean, uhhh

Age of Yrel

[sullen dagger]

how about "lets change draeneis for a hybrid quarter orc quarter draenei quarter human quarter elf"

[hollow dock]

No thanks.

I want my goats

[zealous basalt]

Oh you mean

Putting Med'an in WoW

[hollow dock]

never

out of the question

no one wants that

not even blizzard

and they made him

[meager warren]

Med'an?

[dense plover]

"We've temporarily disabled The MOTHERLODE!! while we make changes to the environment."

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!

[unborn pagoda]

Question about huntards.. After exotic beasts are moved to 65..can hunter under 65 still summon it via 15lvl talent, if he has that Spirit Beast in stable in first slot?

[hollow dock]

probably?

[misty blaze]

@rich apex Yrel is the sexiest draenei ever have you not seen how big her breasts are and that perfect curvy 21t2bstr8 kinda body now wonder she is loved so much

[hollow dock]

Can you not

[dense plover]

plz no

[rich apex]

🤔

Remember kids

If a female character is ever liked

It's because she's sexy and nothing else

[hollow dock]

is that disrupting peach?

[misty blaze]

hey now i like my eye candy

[rich apex]

(even if Yrel is admittedly going to lead the Alliance to a glorious golden age)

[dense plover]

idk, if it gets more nsfw, itll definitely be bad

[misty blaze]

as long as none of my favorite female lore characters die im fine

[zealous basalt]

Blizzard does it on purpose

[dense plover]

guys if you want to have this weird convo, there is always pms

[hollow dock]

We don't.

Goku does this

everytime

[rich apex]

I didn't ask for commentary on the goat tiddies 😛

[dense plover]

this isnt the first time?

[hollow dock]

no

not by a long shot

[dense plover]

ping and explain then

i ping too much

[molten gyro]

lol

[dense plover]

or just ask them to stop

[hollow dock]

Ive tried

[dense plover]

thats always an option

[hollow dock]

they don't

[dense plover]

go ku

stop talking about boobs

[misty blaze]

ok fine ill stop geeze you people are too pgish

[dense plover]

its obnoxius and unrelated

yeah

we are

[misty blaze]

the pg generation si whats gonna kill society

[dense plover]

we didnt come to a wow chat to talk about girls

😛

[misty blaze]

well i dont like male characters

but yeah sorry if im in wrong channel

[zealous basalt]

And above is why Sylv got warchief

[dense plover]

this isnt even the discord server to discuss this tbh

nsfw stuff isnt allowed at all

you can swear, but convos should stay pg-13

[misty blaze]

honestly im so sick of the here and now i want the 90's back

[hollow dock]

This is a blizzard affiliated server. Talking about the sexiness of their characters is not only against the rules but creepy as fuck

[misty blaze]

so im single just like many millions of other people is that wrong

[hollow dock]

No. In fact, enjoy

but keep it hidden

like you did in the 90s

[misty blaze]

the 90's was best decade ever

[dense plover]

like - openly talking about sexiness is nsfw essentially

[misty blaze]

it was the age of attitude era

[dense plover]

and nsfw is against discord's rules unless a server is marked as nsfw

[misty blaze]

now its all about the millenial cater bull$%^

[dense plover]

no

its because nsfw is a discord policy

[hollow dock]

In actual BFA news

PTR

[dense plover]

and thats what you do when you want to remain professional

[hollow dock]

just got an update

[dense plover]

yeah

[hollow dock]

76 mb

[misty blaze]

back to topic channel.. does anyone like the new pvp system

[dense plover]

they removed the silithus music

[hollow dock]

Maybe prepatch?

maybe not?

[dense plover]

thats what they did in the patch

essentially they filtered out all files tagged battleforazeroth

[misty blaze]

the warfronts are ok i like them but they take forever to get a win

[hollow dock]

the new pvp system is the same as the old.

[dense plover]

and accidentally removed the silithus music

warfronts take 30-40 min

[hollow dock]

79 mb is all of SIlithus' music?

[misty blaze]

warfront kinda reminds me of ashran a bit

[dense plover]

no its some database updates too

[hollow dock]

ah ok.

[dense plover]

but its nothing significant

warfronts take the advertised amount of time

[molten gyro]

How are ppl starting out beta w/ their artifact weapon/skins/etc?

[ruby star]

character copy

[molten gyro]

Aaahh....

[stiff vector]

no database updates in the ptr patch

just exe stuff

music removal is likely getting rolled back

[wild pewter]

PTR getting updated? 😮

[stiff vector]

normal for live hotfix builds

they always push a ptr patch before pushing it to live later on

hopefully the next ptr build is an 8.0 one 😄

[wild pewter]

Bah, my hopes, my dreams.

[zealous basalt]

I hace a question

Do prepatch get to beta?

[dense plover]

What?

Prepatch isn’t beta

It’s the stuff before it

Like the legion invasions before legion

[zealous basalt]

If prepatches are in the beta, like for testing or they just appear in Ptr

[dense plover]

Pieces are in beta

[stiff vector]

most of the tech changes in the prepatch get tested on beta

[dense plover]

But full implementation will probably be ptr

[zealous basalt]

Ah

[dense plover]

Since it’s still missing the horde side of darkshore on beta

I imagine they want to push that stuff on ptr or prepatch live

[stiff vector]

dx12, new db format, opengl removal, 32bit removal, weather updates etc should all be in prepatch

[zealous basalt]

Dx12?

I thought blizz used dx9

[stiff vector]

in 7.x sure

also supports dx10 i think?

or was it dx11, whonose

[dense plover]

in 8.0 its dx11 and dx12 only

right now you can use dx11 and dx9 i think

but it might just be dx11

8.0 is dx11/12 and 64-bit only

[zealous basalt]

I read d12 was glitchy

[stiff vector]

yeah it has its issues

gets better each beta build

[zealous basalt]

Does it look better than live?

[stiff vector]

not necessarily

it doesn't really perform better yet for me personally

but they probably want to get it on-par with dx11 first

dx12 is a big rewrite compared to dx11

[zealous basalt]

So I'm not familiar with this

What are the changes between each directx

[stiff vector]

it differs, but dx12 specifically allows for more optimization by game devs instead of relying on gpu devs alone

[zealous basalt]

Ah I see