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sullen dagger
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new meme guyse

tropic trail
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Rune magic also has shaman magicc

hollow dock
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Clearly mages are shamans

tropic trail
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M A G I C C

zealous basalt
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I tell u vris

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Its all shaman now

hollow dock
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everythings a shaman

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it's all over

distant folio
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they summon and bind elementals and use lightning magic, that's enough to get shaman as a class if vrykul were to be made playable - this is what the discussion was about, if it would be possible to give shaman to playable vrykul: there is a basis for them, that could be expanded upon.

hollow dock
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No it wasn't Peter

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that's not at all what the discussion was about

distant folio
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"-playable vrykul when ffs
-Why would the elements give a shit about the vrykul?"

zealous basalt
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Ion inb4: "Do you want a tall and stronk human like character?, Kul tirans for you"

mint arch
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JAINA-CHAAAAN GWahreeVampyYay

hollow dock
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Rys put up a picture of a barb

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sayin 'this is what a vrykul shaman would look like'

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Honk wants playable ones

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so he places a message down about it

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I place a message down about the picture and questioning Vrykul shamans

distant folio
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And I explained how the playable shaman that Honk wanted could be shaman

mint arch
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i wish kul'tirans weren't fat

tropic trail
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RIP voidox

mint arch
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:(

tropic trail
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gonna get vris' fury

jade basalt
hollow dock
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Except that Honk didn't ask for it

mint arch
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dun worry

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ill counter

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WITH ANIME

hollow dock
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also Void

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look at that

mint arch
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vris cant fight the WEEB

hollow dock
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theyre not just fat

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they're big muscled

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and boned

mint arch
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das cool

zealous basalt
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Just like the Mountain

mint arch
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still have fat bellies

zealous basalt
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Of GoT

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Its beer belly tho

hollow dock
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when its a six pack

mint arch
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remove the fat bellies, fix the fat faces of the females and give some muscle tone

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and itd be fine

hollow dock
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that's not a beer belly?

jade basalt
zealous basalt
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Nope

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A beer belly is

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W...

mint arch
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that gif is good

zealous basalt
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Gdi Vris

hollow dock
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Gif's fine

jade basalt
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The second iteration looks closer to, say, the Mountain from GoT for those who know him

mint arch
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the male's honestly need little to be good, jsut the belly

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females models are.... -_-

zealous basalt
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Thicc

hollow dock
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Id bang em

jade basalt
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Female models are a shame

mint arch
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^

jade basalt
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Someone made a concept of how better they could look

zealous basalt
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All you guys want are hot girls

jade basalt
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I can't unsee it now

mint arch
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its lazy work on the female model

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honestly

tropic trail
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Anyways Vris. Shamans, Death Knights, Mages, and Warlocks use rune magic so it's possible for Vrykul to be shamans.

mint arch
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seen ppl make edits that look soooo much better with little effort

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but nope, blizzard cba

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-_-

hollow dock
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Possible?

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sure.

jade basalt
hollow dock
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if there's a reason for the elements to give a damn about em

jade basalt
zealous basalt
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Well..add a mod

mint arch
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look at that

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so much better

tropic trail
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true

jade basalt
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This just looks way better, and closer to the male one's quality

tropic trail
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she looks like a super model

jade basalt
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The current female looks like a plastic doll

zealous basalt
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Remember that elves had some tweak in WoD?

hollow dock
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all they did was remove the bounce

zealous basalt
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Probably blizz will do it for fem kul tirans

hollow dock
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the rest was just an HD update

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jade basalt
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tropic trail
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if vrykul shamans

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they should place down runestones

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runetotems

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that'd be badass

hollow dock
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deffos

ruby star
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I'll like and retweet it! 😄

mint arch
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^

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pls blizzard

tropic trail
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honestly that looks better

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more like humans

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instead of "fat humans"

mint arch
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indeed

hollow dock
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

zealous basalt
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And if blizz doesnt do it?

hollow dock
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I don't really care that much

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I'ma be in wicker for 99.99% of the time

sullen dagger
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oh man the tiddies are real in kultiran female, amirite

zealous basalt
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Like a good druid always in the forms xD

tropic trail
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tfw people only play kul tirans for druid forms

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feelsbad

hollow dock
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Yea it's almost like that's what I am attracted to.

tropic trail
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ima take my zandalari troll hunter and leave

hollow dock
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Like I play only nelves

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cuz I like nelves

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minus my human.

tropic trail
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their druid forms are pretty cool

hollow dock
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Cuz rep farming is easier

tropic trail
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why the blood elf pic

zealous basalt
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Because she likes it?

sullen dagger
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HIGH ELVE

hollow dock
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Helf fyi tyvm

tropic trail
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whats the difference

zealous basalt
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...

hollow dock
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Ima not debate that

sullen dagger
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OH GOD

zealous basalt
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R u Ion?

hollow dock
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I've had three months of doing that

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Go look up the differences

zealous basalt
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Wait

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Vris

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He is Ion

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I play human monk cuz I'm not really an altoholic

mint arch
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vris's blood elf pic is squished right

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its not just me o.o

hollow dock
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Yes on purpose

zealous basalt
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And because humans master races and other races are weaklings that need to be purged by the Ordo Xeno

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For the emperor

hollow dock
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Im sorry who saved the planet from destruction thrice over before Blizzard hit us with the nerf bat?

tropic trail
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who's ion?

zealous basalt
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Let's see

hollow dock
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by ourselves

zealous basalt
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1st time it was your fault for following a horny queen

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And you had the help of dragons

hollow dock
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Highborne's fault.*

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In which the dragons stayed out of the civil war and closing of the portal until the Dragon Soul was brought in

zealous basalt
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2nd time was the Archimonde stuff in the world tree?

hollow dock
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War of the Saytr

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War of the Shifting Sands

zealous basalt
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Agen dragons help

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And that second war

hollow dock
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Shifting sands I'll give you that

zealous basalt
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Made someone really crazy

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And the satyr again were pretty much your own fault

hollow dock
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for Saytr, the night elves wiped out the Saytr hierarchy.

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again Highborne*

zealous basalt
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You arent really saving the world tbh

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Just fixing your own problems

limber mural
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it's spelt satyr I have to say something

tropic trail
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oops wrong pic

zealous basalt
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Unlike humans who had to stand against orcs who were going to kill everyone in da world

tropic trail
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is that ion?

zealous basalt
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But that was our fault too

hollow dock
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Who were going to kill all of Eastern Kingdom*

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In which

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it's thanks to the humans that the orcs became seafaring.

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and then became a threat to the rest of the world

zealous basalt
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We defeated them with no help of demigods

hollow dock
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no just a demigod

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that you created

zealous basalt
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And you had 2 call some demigod which

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If you excuse me

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Sucked ass

hollow dock
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which got corrupted

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and caused the invasion in the first place

limber mural
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The demigods did volunteer didn't they

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Correct me on this

hollow dock
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they did

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they came to the aid of the night elves on their own volition.

limber mural
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and made Jarod basically a legend

zealous basalt
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And still dieded all while we had our own problems with the plague

hollow dock
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Which again

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self made

zealous basalt
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But what if the plague had traveled to Kalimdor

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Although I am going to give you the victory for only one thing

hollow dock
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The orcish invasion, self made with the Guardian, your own personally made demigod.

The plague? Self made again by your mages falling to the Legion and creating it with the help of the likes of Kel'Thuzad.

That whole issue of the scourge? Self made with Arthas falling to the Lich King.

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Which was also self-made by letting Ner'zhul live

zealous basalt
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And you elves didnt do enough feeding on the life essence of Azeroth?

limber mural
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to call 'dying inconveniently' self made is pushing it a little

zealous basalt
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Calling it "bless of Elune"

hollow dock
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We never fed on the life essence of Azeroth.

zealous basalt
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The well of the Eternity

hollow dock
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We didn't feed on the well.

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wrong type of elves

zealous basalt
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Highborne still were night elves you like it or not

hollow dock
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Us being near the well transformed the dark trolls around the well. We worshiped the well even.

limber mural
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By the time the Highborne were feeding on magic they'd already isolated themselves and sectioned themselves off, am I correct

mint arch
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o.o

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vris is a night elf

hollow dock
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You are correct Brass.

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By the time Azshara's empire really took hold, the HIghborne separated off from the rest of the nIght elves.

zealous basalt
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Still were kaldorei

hollow dock
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Kaldorei yes, Night elves, no.

zealous basalt
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Same thing different social class and skin colour

limber mural
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The Highborne had basically reidentified themselves by that point

hollow dock
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am I correct to say you're bill gates since you're both humans? :p

limber mural
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it's not correct to group them with the night elves

zealous basalt
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I can be Bill Gatea

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Gates*

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What about Staghelm?

hollow dock
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Staghelm caused a lot of issues. Chaotic good is the nature you'd call it.

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Ends justify the means and boy is it a good thing we eventually axed him off.

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and had him imprisoned.

tropic trail
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Sorry for disrupting the conversation but...

zealous basalt
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But as I was going to say

tropic trail
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For the Horde!

zealous basalt
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I give you the victor because one thibg

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Our biggest mistake

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The thing that doomed us all

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Is raising Sylvanas Windrunner

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As a Banshee

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That was the worst thing we humans have done

hollow dock
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Well.

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Letting the horde into Azeroth

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that's another pretty bad thing

jade basalt
zealous basalt
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Well, we were able to scatter them around even if that destroyed Stormwind

hollow dock
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Uh

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might want to take alook at second war again

tropic trail
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sargeras being driven mad thats another bad thing

zealous basalt
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....

hollow dock
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yea but neither humans nor elves did that Rys

zealous basalt
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Well, that's not our fault

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That's him being emo

tropic trail
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demons and the void drove him mad

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and as we all know

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void elves exist

hollow dock
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Well just the void.

zealous basalt
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Not our fault

hollow dock
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and even then

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it's literally just him

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He saw the horrors of the void, wanted to cleanse it

tropic trail
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blood elves and night elves exist, and as everyone knows, they're demons

hollow dock
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titan pantheons like

zealous basalt
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Tho what made him bad

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Was sadness

hollow dock
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'lul fuck no'

zealous basalt
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Ye

hollow dock
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and sargeras is like

zealous basalt
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Pantheon were dicks

hollow dock
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'well fuck you all then.'

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and kills em

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makes his own army

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with blackjack

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and hookers

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and then wants to kill the galaxy

tropic trail
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zues is a dick and isnt the pantheon kind of like greek gods?

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inspired off greek gods

zealous basalt
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Not really to kill

tropic trail
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somewhat?

hollow dock
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Inspired off.

zealous basalt
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He wanted to like

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Turn everything into the bc to fite the void

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And kill planets that were already voided

hollow dock
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he kills their physical bodies but their spirits aren't gone

zealous basalt
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And he saw azeroth and be like

hollow dock
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"I wanna fuck a planet"-sargeras

zealous basalt
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"Oo baby you are going to be so fucked"

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Then

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He appears

tropic trail
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so you like high elves vris?

zealous basalt
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Draws his sword

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"Ohhh yeee"

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Fucks Azeroth with a long sword

mint arch
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he did stick his sword into azeroth-chan

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D E E P

zealous basalt
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Then gets succ by his siblings

hollow dock
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I do indeedy. I adore their lore and am always sad that Blizzard nevere xplored the hardships into losing the Sunwell and having to live and adapt without it

mint arch
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damn siblings >:

zealous basalt
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But Azeroth gets traumatized

mint arch
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getting in-between sarg-kun and azeroth-chan

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:

zealous basalt
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And doesnt want to talk to anyone

tropic trail
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So why not play blood elves? High elves are basically blood elves.™

zealous basalt
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is he ion

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He is

hollow dock
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Because its a meme and Sin'dorei are not Quel'dorei.

jade basalt
zealous basalt
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I want dragon riders or something related to dragons

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But that's another topic

hollow dock
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ah ok.

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I do but I don't makore

zealous basalt
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We talking about how Azeroth gets traumatized

hollow dock
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cuz I dont want my dragons to further be gimped

zealous basalt
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I want them to be good, not killit

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Have more babs

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And peace

mint arch
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azeroth-chan pls, use the proper honorifics

tropic trail
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Also how dare you say bringing the horde into Azeroth is bad

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For the Horde!

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Also the Horde helped the Trolls a lot

zealous basalt
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Azeroth chan is like "I felt so vulnerable%

tropic trail
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so that was pretty good, for them

hollow dock
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Good for them

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but uh

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if you didn't notice

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most shit that goes wrong is because of the horde

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They brought in Cho'gall which started up all the old god shit again

tropic trail
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yeah but that shit was originally started by that alliance

zealous basalt
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He seems to forget

hollow dock
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Old Gods was not us

tropic trail
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but thats guldan

zealous basalt
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The wrath gate

tropic trail
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that trained

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chogall

lone marten
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Cough cough Jaina

hollow dock
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That's still horde

tropic trail
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and guldan serves the legion

zealous basalt
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Wasnt Guldan the leader of the horde

hollow dock
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yes he was

zealous basalt
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Gul Dan was the leader until blackhand was like

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"Fuck u we dont want fel"

hollow dock
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Ghoulish Daniel used Blackhand as the 'puppet' leader

zealous basalt
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And left him in the broken isles

mint arch
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*we don't need fel to be war-hungry

hollow dock
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until Doomhammer said

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"fuck this we're orcs"

zealous basalt
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Then he got captured and tortured by demons

hollow dock
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and booted him out temporarily

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and then put him back in

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and then got backstabbed by him

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cuz ghoulish daniel is ghoulish daniel

tropic trail
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yeah but tyrande is a bitch

zealous basalt
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She is

tropic trail
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yes

hollow dock
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Yes she's been in and out of ten thousand years of war

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what's your excuse

zealous basalt
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But that's because she is night elf

tropic trail
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night elves are rude

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its true

zealous basalt
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And because her husband was asleep for 10000 years

tropic trail
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except illidan

hollow dock
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Yes we are because we're a warrior race

tropic trail
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warrior my ass

zealous basalt
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I mean

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All female elves were warriors

hollow dock
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Blizzard hit us with the nerf bat in Cata

zealous basalt
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While males were druids

tropic trail
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and arches

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archersd

zealous basalt
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And still they didnt have males for too long

tropic trail
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shiit

hollow dock
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the fact that we had to get hit with the nerf bat in the first place proves they're fucking fantastic

tropic trail
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yes?

zealous basalt
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So

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What do you expect from a warrior girl without snu snu

tropic trail
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Guys, guys

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I want orcs that aren't ** T H I C C **

zealous basalt
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So

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Weaklings?

tropic trail
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they're just too SWOLE

hollow dock
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Your whole point of playing orcs is because

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they're big

tropic trail
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no

zealous basalt
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I dont understand this man Vris

hollow dock
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that's our whole discussion

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yesterday

mint arch
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lool

tropic trail
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I play orcs because lord of the rings

hollow dock
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I think I've spoken enough to Rys for the week.

zealous basalt
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...different orc

tropic trail
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being swole is a benefit

zealous basalt
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Like I was saying Vris

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Sylvanas is human fault

tropic trail
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Also I know totally different orcs

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but thats the closest thing I can get a lotr orc in WoW

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that and maybe undead

mint arch
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play elder scrolls

tropic trail
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I do

zealous basalt
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Or Dark Souls

hollow dock
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I mean

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you can always play

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yea elder scrolls

mint arch
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i dont get the fallout 76 shit

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give us the next elder scrolls pls

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fallout 4 was enough

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-_-

hollow dock
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ES6 happens

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when ESO

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dies

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you knwo this void

mint arch
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:<

zealous basalt
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Fallout new Vegas

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Or nothing

mint arch
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modded new vegas is a fun time

hollow dock
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fallout 3 R E M A S T E R E D

mint arch
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but man, im in the mood for a proper ES game

zealous basalt
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Guys

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Imagine

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World of warcraft classic

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Remastered

rich apex
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Pffsh

mint arch
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oh, u mean live?

rich apex
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Modern graphics is a beTRayAL of the True Vanilla Experience

zealous basalt
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Let's be honest

tranquil steeple
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warcraft 1, 2 & 3 𝓇𝑒𝓂𝒶𝓈𝓉𝑒𝓇𝑒𝒹

zealous basalt
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The True Vanilla Experience

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Died when we moved through expac

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Also selatharia

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That's something I wouldnt mind

rich apex
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Let's be honest, the classic server is going to be dead in six months

tranquil steeple
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Warcraft 3 is the game I played the shit out of when I was younger

rich apex
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But nostalgia is a hell of a drug

tranquil steeple
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I really badly wanna see it in today's grapics qq

mint arch
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6 months is generous

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more like 6 weeks

zealous basalt
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Leveling a warrior was hell

rich apex
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Takes longer to hit 60 in vanilla, so 😛

mint arch
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vanilla systems haven't aged well, its not just graphics

hollow dock
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that's why it'd die faster Hyper

mint arch
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ppl will burn out on the shit grind of vanilla

rich apex
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Truuue

mint arch
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the internet is a different place now, general gamers dont have time to grind like in 04

zealous basalt
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People complain that leveling is slow with scaling

mint arch
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its why mobas and battle royales are so popular

rich apex
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I was just figuring the burnout will be once they realize they have to do attunement grinds at 60 😛

mint arch
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quick games

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on repeat

zealous basalt
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Ye

mint arch
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for short attention span kids

zealous basalt
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Or people that have jobs and want to play

mint arch
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and ya, attunement grinds on top of leveling xD

rich apex
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Grindy games weren't the best design

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They were just the best design at that time

mint arch
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^

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indeed

rich apex
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But hey, casuals and kids ruined gaming forever

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🤔

zealous basalt
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We had a lot of time to spare

mint arch
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look at EA's press conference yesterday

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fcking what have they done to command and conquer

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WTF have they done -_-

rich apex
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It's almost like

mint arch
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a fcking mobile game?

rich apex
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They're making it for a different audience

tranquil steeple
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oh no

mint arch
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"C&C for the new generation"

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FCK THAT

tranquil steeple
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what did they do void

zealous basalt
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When is Xbox e3?

mint arch
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C&C is now a mobile clash royale game

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-_-

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command and conquer rivals its called

tranquil steeple
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oh.. I pretty much seen that before

rich apex
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'this game doesn't appeal to you because you aren't the target audience'

mint arch
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thats where it is now thasnk to EA

rich apex
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'what do you mean'

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'not everything is catered to me'

mint arch
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from greatest RTS series to.... shit

tranquil steeple
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yeah C&C Red Alert, Generals/Zero Hour

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also played the shit out of those

mint arch
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same

zealous basalt
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People dont know what a RTS is now

rich apex
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When was the last time anyone made a traditional RTS that did well

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SC2?

zealous basalt
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Warhammer?

mint arch
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RTS genre suffered from bad decisions by devs and companies

rich apex
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Total War is a different RTS style

mint arch
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along with the rise of MOBAs

rich apex
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I meant C&C/SC/Age of Empires style

tranquil steeple
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I'm not sure how well it did but

rich apex
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Total War's doing great, thank god

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That shit is lit

tranquil steeple
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LotR: BfME?

zealous basalt
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Blizzard Battle royale when

mint arch
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aye, total war is great

rich apex
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Pretty sure that's even older than SC2

mint arch
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SC2 is great

rich apex
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Blizz will do Battle Royale in like another 5 fives

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And blow Fortnite out of the water since everyone will be bored of it by then

mint arch
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battle royale is the buzzword for this E3

rich apex
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I mean

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Everyone's bitching about battle royale at E3

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So far I've only seen 2

zealous basalt
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I dont like fornite tbh...idk why like the battle royale genre is good but

strange falcon
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technically seething shore starts as a battle royale

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xd

mint arch
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its only been a day

tranquil steeple
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also, this all is only "slightly" off-topic

rich apex
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Truuue

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But like

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Why would anyone ever

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steal a game concept

mint arch
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wait for more conferences and E3 showfloor

rich apex
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muffled Everquest 1 in the background

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or Command and Conquer

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Or Team Fortress 2

mint arch
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;-;

rich apex
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Literally every Blizz game is ripping off someone else

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But better

zealous basalt
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Ehh

strange falcon
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if i had a penny for everytime blizzard ""borrowed"" a game concept from something else,and put it in one of their games,i would be a millionaire

zealous basalt
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Overwatch isnt better

mint arch
#

overwatch GWqlabsFeelsLULMan

zealous basalt
#

More now that it became a progres game

rich apex
#

I mean

#

It's sure making more content and money 😛

zealous basalt
#

Heck

#

Even Diablo isnt a original content

mint arch
#

blizz have the art team to take ideas/concepts from other games and make em sell

rich apex
#

(not that valve needs to worry about making profit off its game)

mint arch
#

and the money to do it

tranquil steeple
#

again and still, this is "slightly" offtopic. maybe we should move to the appropriate channel

zealous basalt
#

Leggo

mint arch
#

convo killed GWqlabsFeelsBadEh

tranquil steeple
#

better do it ahead of time before mods nuke us for not doing it

zealous basalt
#

I gotta say rho

#

After playing wow

#

I cant play any other mmorpg

tropic trail
#

I think all the races of world of warcraft make since for their faction and are very unique and interesting

#

except void elves

#

oh and fuck pandaren

#

rest are very good though

zealous basalt
#

I liked Pandaren lore

strange falcon
#

in the past,i tried playing guild wars 2,i didnt even finish levelling,it just didnt get me in. then i tried playing tera,i got to max lvl,but not much more than that,because i puke everytime i see the extremely immersion breaking korean overload BS they got there

tropic trail
#

Pandaren lore is good but I just dont like the idea of walking talking pandas

#

also their lore is very stereotypical

zealous basalt
#

I tried Gw2 but something made me return to WoW

#

Its...Chinese culture based?

mint arch
#

i mean

zealous basalt
#

What's wrong with it?

mint arch
#

we have walking talking cows

#

whats wrong with pandas?

zealous basalt
#

We had talking bears v4

tropic trail
#

yeah but tauren find their place in world of warcraft because of mythology and fantasy

zealous basalt
#

Isnt pandaren part of fantasy?

#

Like heck

strange falcon
#

we're going to have walking talking fox midgets soon POGCHAMP

tropic trail
#

never seen no walking talking pandas in mythology or fantasy outside of world of warcraft

zealous basalt
#

Legion wasnt the fantasy thing because it added sci fi af the end

mint arch
#

yup, talking foxes now

tropic trail
#

except in zootopia and kung fu panda

rich apex
#

Where's that post about the animal races of WoW

strange falcon
#

what u mean

zealous basalt
#

Hidden in the shadows

mint arch
#

there's been a few.. interesting posts about animal races of wow

#

xP

zealous basalt
#

And well

#

Pandaren were added in w3 so

tropic trail
#

Well Sci fi may be a little out of place in world of warcraft but it adds some diversity without being cartoony (like pandaren)

rich apex
#

(bonus points that pandaren have one of the most fleshed out cultures and backstories)

tropic trail
#

to be fair half of them arent even playable

#

more than half

mint arch
#

who cares about playable

#

they in the lore

#

xD

tropic trail
#

also there was only like one or two pandaren in wc3

zealous basalt
#

And they were playable back then

#

Hell

#

Put attention

#

All the class above were 'playable'

#

In w3

tropic trail
#

im talking about in wow

zealous basalt
#

No difference

tropic trail
#

to be fair night elves werent part of the alliance or horde back then

#

same for forsaken

zealous basalt
#

Nope

#

Alliance as well

#

Just existed as a human kingdom with dwarves

#

Horde was pure orc

tropic trail
#

and trolls

zealous basalt
#

Because it was a horde of orcs

#

No

tropic trail
#

yes

zealous basalt
#

The trolls were added when the orcs moved from eastern kingdoms to kalimdor

#

And that because they saved a few of darkspear trolls

tropic trail
#

im talking about zuljin

zealous basalt
#

Tauren were added later because they needed to fight against centaurs or it was gg for them

#

And the forsaken...idk why or how they were added to the horde

tropic trail
#

also I just realized dwarves already have dark iron customization options

#

and trolls already have forest troll customization options

zealous basalt
#

But ye

#

In the beggining the horde was a pure orc horde

#

That is why they wanted a second pure orc true horde in MoP

distant folio
#

ironically, there were ogres as well

tropic trail
#

WE WANT OGRES

#

really though

#

and broken would've been 10x better as an allied race

#

they dont make much sense being their own seperate race

#

also with what happened in argus

#

they were just as important as the lightforged draenei to our cause

zealous basalt
#

...

#

coughs

distant folio
#

I wouldn't say they were just as important as the lightforged, but I definitely would have taken broken over lightforged. One is an actual (sub) race while the other is just tattoo'd draenei. Don't misunderstand me, they do look pretty cool. But I feel like it would've worked better if Broken were the allied race, and you could get Lightforged customization options (go to the barber to get a white beard, or tattoos, new horns)

strange falcon
#

they needed lightforged as an allied race

#

so they can tie in

#

in the next expac after bfa

#

it's all a plot

distant folio
#

You can keep the exact same questline and scenario

zealous basalt
#

Inb4

distant folio
#

but the end reward is "Lightforged customization options" instead of "Lightforged allied race"

zealous basalt
#

All allied races become evil

tropic trail
#

Instead of LF Draenei and Void Elves

#

it should've been

dawn phoenix
#

Anyone know if there will be pre patch gear available, and if so would that gear be "good" enough for magetower attempts for alts

tropic trail
#

Broken

#

and any Broken Isles faction/subrace

#

maybe vrykul

#

or the val'sharah cenarius children

#

or somethin'

#

because void elves DO NOT make sense as an alliance race

#

and lf draenei are inferior to Broken

distant folio
#

and so alliance gets both vampires and werewolves :p

tropic trail
#

we have too many elves

#

damnit

ruby star
#

High Elves ❤

rich apex
#

Allied Races are a lazy design and we have too many elves

#

Unless it's high elves

#

Then all of that is okay

ruby star
#

I mean, I am a High Elf supporter, but I support others races people want if they make sense of course (Void Chicken nope xD)

zealous basalt
#

I like my velf kthnx

ruby star
#

Well that's nice you like your Void elf

strange falcon
#

as of right now,the chances of san'layn got ruined by blizz themselves

tropic trail
#

High elves are just blood elves though

strange falcon
#

as the blood prince betrays the horde shortly after

rich apex
dense plover
#

i thought he was killed

rich apex
#

Implying San'lyn were ever realistically going to be playable

ruby star
#

He dies in alliance

dense plover
#

not that he betrayed the horde

ruby star
#

war campaign

dense plover
#

yeah

ruby star
#

I think

dense plover
#

he doesnt betray

#

he dies

#

and they say there are other blood princes

restive sage
#

omg guys

#

spoilersss

ruby star
#

it's blizz dw they will jsut conjure up a new blood prince if they want

dense plover
#

honestly i dont care if they are playable

#

i just like having them be story relevant

restive sage
#

omg stop spoiling everything

zealous basalt
#

Shush

rich apex
#

bruh

#

spoiler chat

zealous basalt
#

Read the channel topic

restive sage
#

before i spoil everything

#

okay you asked for it

tropic trail
#

how long do I have to wait for a name to become unavailable

restive sage
#

ARTHAS IS THE LICH KING

tranquil steeple
#

Jesus dies in the bible

rich apex
#

But yeah

#

Draven was still using a Wrath era model

#

Playable San'layn was something between a meme

tropic trail
#

robert baratheon arrives in winterfell

#

oops spoilers

rich apex
#

And more ammunition for people bitchingb

#

because vampire elves will ruin WoW forever

tranquil steeple
#

Honestly, at this point I'm only against High Elves because of the lengths people will go to have Blizz make 'em playable

tropic trail
#

There's a level 90 boosted character on my server with no mounts, no companions, no achievements, and still has all of the boosted gear

#

I really want the name

#

anything I can do?

restive sage
#

man

#

i feel like i got spoiled so hard that i cant even play bfa

#

i already know that the lich king is coming back 😦

#

to kill every1

tranquil steeple
#

can't kill what's already dead

rich apex
#

Can't kill nostalgia

#

(unfortunately)

jade basalt
#

Sargeras is freed from the Seat of the Pantheon as well, because of the Keepers who thought he could help us against the Old Gods, but as they did so the entire Seat was swallowed into the Void.

zealous basalt
#

oof

jade basalt
#

Which reminds me of Xal'atath's quote when you arrive on the Seat of the Pantheon during the Antorus raid, about how "you" allowed access to her masters to this realm.

#

But that's before Anduin absorbs the heart of a dying A'dal, becoming truly holy.

zealous basalt
#

....when does dat happen?

ruby star
#

wait what

zealous basalt
#

now that's something i did not expect

ruby star
#

thats not real right? xD

jade basalt
#

It happens after Illidan is empowered with the essence of the now-gone Pantheon. Kind of like Kerrigan in SC2's ending.

#

Magni also teaches the dwarves how to undergo the ritual he went through, unlocking the new Diamond Earthen allied race.

ruby star
#

So the Pantheon is now sucked into the void?

jade basalt
#

No I'm just spouting fake stuff.

hollow dock
#

Pls no kerrigan

zealous basalt
#

this m8

hollow dock
#

No kerrigan mk2

ruby star
#

Oooh okay xD

jade basalt
zealous basalt
#

how could i fell in that bait

tranquil steeple
near cosmos
#

You forgot to mention how Sylvanas is actually Bolvar's daughter, and she goes to Icecrown and stabs him while he says "what are you doing, my daughter?" and she replies "succeeding you, father" then takes the helm for herself

#

😛

dense plover
#

thats taelia

#

she is bolvars daughter

#

😛

zealous basalt
#

Where did i heard that

near cosmos
#

@dense plover away wi ye, we're talking shite in here now, you can't say real things

hollow dock
#

Anduin is actually sylvanas' daughter

dense plover
#

anduin is clearly wrathion's brother

zealous basalt
#

back when people shipped

dense plover
#

kill the ship

zealous basalt
#

Sylv x Varian

sullen dagger
#

no.

jade basalt
#

Wrathion is really just the son Katrana Prestor had with Varian when he was under her control.

tropic trail
#

anduin is sylvanas' daughter

sullen dagger
#

NO.

terse patrol
#

Daelin Proudmoore is Robert Baratheon 😍

tropic trail
#

BOW BEFORE YOUR KING! BOW, YA SHITS!

terse patrol
#

"I do know this: If the warlock convinces his greenskin warchief to invade and the Orcish Horde crosses the Great Sea . . . we won't be able to stop them," he says. "Let's say Orgrim Doomhammer lands with 40,000 orcish grunts at his back. We hole up in our castles. A wise move. Only a fool would meet the Horde in an open field."

#

lol

#

tbh that was a good decision, getting Bobby B to voice Proudmoore lol

tropic trail
#

Fun fact: Misha is at his side, as always, but he has several other pets he can call on, including the hawk Spirit, the boar Huffer, and the wyvern Leokk. You get to play with most of these pets during the Rexxar quests in Blade's Edge. He is an exceptionally dangerous warrior, but he prefers quiet time to battles.

#

Technically, that means Rexxar could've killed Daelin Proudmoore with the boar huffer.

#

Which means Daelin died from a Boar.

#

I will spare you the rest for the sake of spoilers.

zealous basalt
#

minus the fact that in the comic he died by rexxar's hands

tropic trail
#

Aren't comics proven non cannon?

zealous basalt
#

The recent comic

tropic trail
#

Link?

zealous basalt
#

...Do I have to

#

sec pls

jade basalt
#

Comics are canon

#

You might be thinking of WoW: The Comic, which is still canon, except the part where Med'an becomes Guardian.

zealous basalt
#

You mean

#

Except the part where Med'an exists

jade basalt
#

No no

#

Just the part where he becomes Guardian

tropic trail
#

it's foreshadowing jaina will die in BFA

#

no more plot armor boys

hollow dock
#

No? Its foreshadowing Jainas dedication to her people

tropic trail
#

she thinks like her father, that's how her father was killed

hollow dock
#

She technically 'dies' in Drustvar when shes kidnapped.

tropic trail
#

shhhh no more plot armor

hollow dock
#

Her father was betrayed. No jaina to betray jaina

zealous basalt
#

what plot armor?

#

you seem to forget that Jaina has that damn staff

hollow dock
#

Antonidas' staff of amanthul tomfuckery

tropic trail
#

Yeah but her father refused to accept that a horde would change

zealous basalt
#

with thunder king power

hollow dock
#

So did she

tropic trail
#

and lashed out at rexxar

#

and died

#

if he didnt do that

hollow dock
#

And thats when Jaina left him to die to the horde

zealous basalt
#

Jaina

hollow dock
#

Again. Not a direct show that its how she dies

zealous basalt
#

Unlike Sylv

#

has redemption qualities

hollow dock
#

Id say shes more than been proven right

zealous basalt
#

And honestly, the poor girl has been through much, perhaps worse than Sylvanas

#

Lets recap

hollow dock
#

The hordes nothing more than a group of barbarous folk bent only on savagery

zealous basalt
#

Some older high elf wanted to dicc her

tropic trail
#

just because she's been through shit doesnt mean she doesnt deserve to die

#

its called realism

hollow dock
#

Alright

#

Saying she will

zealous basalt
#

That doesnt' make any sense

hollow dock
#

And saying she desrves it

#

Are very different thinga

#

Things*

#

If you think she deserves it, thats not realism. Thats just opinion.

tropic trail
#

my point is

zealous basalt
#

I think people dislike Jaina for not being with green jesus

hollow dock
#

Im really just sick of your 'points' rys

tropic trail
#

just because she has been through shit doesnt make the chances of her dying any less than those around her

hollow dock
#

And her importance to the story dictates her chances of dying

tropic trail
#

and thats called plot armor

hollow dock
#

Plot armor exists until it stops

tropic trail
#

and people believe plot armor is bad

hollow dock
#

And jainas is still pretty strong

#

It is

#

Its boring as fuck

#

Nothing we can do about it.

tropic trail
#

so let a man speculate

hollow dock
#

Again

#

You didnt speculate

#

You said she will

tropic trail
#

so it's your duty to prove me false

#

great

hollow dock
#

When you put out false claims yes

#

I will make sure you realize what you said is false

zealous basalt
#

It gets annoying when you start making that as 'facts'

tropic trail
#

shitshow

grizzled sleet
#

I'm for the Alliance, but I like crying "FOR THE HORDE"

#

does it make me a traitor?

tropic trail
#

just means chanting "For the Alliance" sucks (which it does)

zealous basalt
#

Because it is iconic unlike what Rys says up here?

#

Doesnt have to mean that the other chart sucks

hollow dock
#

Im sorry but uh

tropic trail
#

yeah but he's dead tho

zealous basalt
#

And he is more epic than the horde you proudly speak of

tropic trail
#

meh, the alliance died with him

zealous basalt
#

And he didn't need to come back as an spirit in bfa

tropic trail
#

FOR THE HORDE!

sullen dagger
#

because you dont yell for the alliance

#

you yell "FOR THE EMPEROR"

grizzled sleet
sullen dagger
#

also, fithy green-skinned xenos is aok aswell

grizzled sleet
#

"Only one of us wanted this war"
Do you think it's one of anduin's lies ? "Three lies will he offer you."

rich apex
#

🤔

sullen dagger
#

👌

tropic trail
#

Zandalar Forever!

sullen dagger
#

man dis gonna be blood elves 2.0 or what

grizzled sleet
#

blood elves 3.0, we already got blood elves 2.0 aka void elves

tropic trail
#

blood elves 2.0 are nightborne

grizzled sleet
#

nightborne are night elves 2.0

tropic trail
#

yeah but they are so similar to blood elves

grizzled sleet
#

Proof: Suramar was burning in legion just like teldrassil in bfa

tropic trail
#

they even have a nightwell

#

dark iron dwarves are my only favorite alliance

#

Atleast his mountain doesnt catch on fire

#

looking at you night elves

grizzled sleet
#

You know why night elves lost teldrassil ?

#

because they can't be resto shamans

tropic trail
#

damn

#

they can only fuel the fire

grizzled sleet
#

why did the nightborne give up on the nightwell to the legion ?

#

because they can't be demon hunters

limber mural
#

no it just means you enjoy screaming mindless nonsense

#

prepares for onslaught

terse patrol
#

Anduin isn’t the Master

hollow dock
#

who thought anduin was the master?

terse patrol
#

I think Mathias Shaw is the guy feeding lies to the Boy King.

#

The “prophecy” says nothing about the lies coming from the Boy King.

hollow dock
#

The boy king sits at the masters table, three lies he will tell you

#

it's one sentence

#

it could be the master lying to us

#

or the boy king

terse patrol
#

The master is likely telling the lies.

grizzled sleet
#

"The boy king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you."

sharp bluff
#

Naaru have enslaved the boy king already? 😮

rich apex
#

🤔

tropic trail
#

i want med'an to become cannon

terse patrol
#

why

#

why in the ever living hell why

tropic trail
#

i want a half human quarter draenei quarter orc as an alliance race instead of night elves

sullen dagger
#

dude you are weird

hollow dock
#

He just really hates alliance

#

and wants everyone to know

sullen dagger
#

i guess

#

i mean i joke about the horde a fuckton

#

but wanting to replace night elves for hybrids...

#

it's plain weird

#

it's like "yeah, lets replace orcs by purple eredar mixed with some fel shit"

karmic scroll
#

hey guys, anyone checked the ilvl of the Argus blue weapons in the beta? might be a good stop gap for early campaign

#

they are 880+ on live

hollow dock
#

they'll be less than or roughly equal to the first starting quests.

#

but the artifacts will still beat them

#

cuz they keep their ilvl as far as I know

karmic scroll
#

yeah, but there aren;t enough starting quest weapons to replace artifacts yet

#

especially for dual wield artifacts

hollow dock
#

cuz its beta :p

karmic scroll
#

the point and question, still stands

hollow dock
#

no they wouldn't be good replacements

#

880 is really low on the conversion

#

compared to the 900+ ilvl weps

#

they'll add in extra weapons do not worry

sullen dagger
#

artifact weapons will become 900?

#

even with relic traits and stuff?

grizzled sleet
#

no

#

they just lose netherlight crucible +15 ilvl

sullen dagger
#

i mean 900 -> crushing

#

ah ok

grizzled sleet
#

like 260 ilvl or something

sullen dagger
#

965 it's aok still to start the xpac

hollow dock
#

forgot the +

uncut vault
#

argus blues are 180

uncut vault
#

Alliance Battle for Stromgarde is up if anyone's wondering

grizzled sleet
#

There is 2 warfronts at launch ?

hollow dock
#

Alliance Stromgarde

#

and Horde Stromgarde

#

are 1 Warfront

#

it cycles

grizzled sleet
#

what is alliance / horde stromgarde ?

hollow dock
#

...

grizzled sleet
#

ah

#

nvm

#

so it's one warfront at launch

hollow dock
#

yes.

#

Like the buildings on the Broken Shore

#

it cycles

grizzled sleet
#

and

#

if the horde keep the warfront for 1 week, does it mean alliance don't get the world boss that week ?

hollow dock
#

no idea.

#

I think since its faction locked

#

that no

#

it'd be an 'alliance character' world boss

urban dew
#

Warfronts also don't have pvp

uncut vault
#

your faction only gets content in arathi when your faction owns the zone

urban dew
#

It's pve with some rts elements I believe.

uncut vault
#

world boss only shows up for alliance wen alliance owns the zone

hollow dock
#

so yea. we dont get the world bosses and rares to kill

#

when horde has control

grizzled sleet
#

I thought there will be 2 warfronts cycling so that each faction get the world boss each week,
So it means that, if your faction own the warfront 1 day before reset, you can do world boss twice just like broken shore ?

uncut vault
#

assuming they program the world quest the same, yes

grizzled sleet
#

Ok sad

hollow dock
#

Well.

#

You haven't seen a second warfront

#

why would you think there'd be 2

#

O.o

grizzled sleet
#

I need some sleep maybe sad

uncut vault
#

the map got updates, theres now icons differentiating random mobs, full attack waves, elites, and the commanders

#

oh that is a good way of solving the resource problem

viscid bobcat
#

cool

uncut vault
#

the more areas you own, the more iron your chest generates, so you're not spread so crazily thin when the enemy attack wave starts

#

Fozruk is an ally of the Alliance, very nice callback to vanilla

tropic trail
#

am I the ONLY one concerned it's taking way longer to solo a raid at 120 than at 110 xd?

#

crushing blows are gone and the mob hp reduction is not enough

hollow dock
#

Something to note: Scaling isn't fixed

#

the stats scale really high at low levels

#

it's meant to

zealous basalt
#

Vrisss

tropic trail
#

idk Blizz seems to be anti soloing as of late

#

7.3.5 unessecarily doubled MOp boss hp

#

never fixed it, not that it's a big deal

zealous basalt
#

Well, they are easy af tho

hollow dock
#

uh

#

yes they did?

#

they nerfed down the boss HPs tha tneeded nerfing

#

everything else was inconsequential

tropic trail
#

no, they didn't ti's still roughly 40% more than pre 7.3.5

hollow dock
#

Yes. the ones that don't matter

#

they nerfed down bosses like Sha

tranquil steeple
#

instead of let's say 120%

hollow dock
#

where the HP did matter

tranquil steeple
#

also, old content being slower to solo is perfectly understandable since it's Beta

tropic trail
#

idk TOT for example takes way longer to solo on alts

hollow dock
#

I haven't felt a change ¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

but all my alts are at 930+

tropic trail
#

old content soloing is a bigger part of the game then you make it out to be 😄

hollow dock
#

I solo old content all the time?

tranquil steeple
#

B e t a

tropic trail
#

beta but close to launch

hollow dock
#

I just also don't ignore gearing my alts and leave them in crap gear.

#

launch is a lot further than you make it out to be

tropic trail
#

2 months to fix everything idk

tranquil steeple
#

It's a worthwhile issue if it was difficult to solo old content on pre-patch

tropic trail
#

it may not be top priority

hollow dock
#

it most certainly isn't

tropic trail
#

but what if the BROKEN scalign thats on beta makes it to live

hollow dock
#

since half of the alliance stuff still isn't there

tropic trail
#

gotta be fun struggling to solo MC

hollow dock
#

and in which

#

Prepatch

zealous basalt
#

Dude
You are going to have Transmog runs

hollow dock
#

doesn't matter

#

for scaling

#

cuz you'll be at 110

#

with high ass scaling

tropic trail
#

the odd thing is crushing blows works on trash

#

but not on bosses

hollow dock
#

then that does mean it's a bug

tropic trail
#

seems oddly intentional

hollow dock
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that seems more unintentional

tropic trail
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"immersion" boss taking 40 secs of a 4 exp old raid xd

hollow dock
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but hey blizzard is just antifun

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and absolutely just removes shit from the game

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without ever telling us

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ever

tranquil steeple
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is the game suddenly unplayable as a whole because you can't solo old content as quickly as you can on live?

tropic trail
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you act liek they dont

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remember the mob scaling with ilvl

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" oh we forgot to tell you cause its minor ":

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ended up being w.e, but still

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blizz is sneaky

hollow dock
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They dont

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btw

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at all

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they've never done that

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If shit like this does make it into the game, it is in fact a bug

tropic trail
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soloing old raids for mounts/tmog/gold/fun

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is like 50% of the game

hollow dock
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Blizzard tells us all the changes they make

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for all assets of the game

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old or current

tropic trail
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so ye you're "Oh noes" is silly

hollow dock
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it doesn't matter

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if they add in a change

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it's noted

zealous basalt
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...idk but

tropic trail
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they have many stealth changes

zealous basalt
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Pre patched Legion Alterac Valley was so fun

tropic trail
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point of the matter is yes theyll prolly add crushing blows later, BUT I was wondering if they commented on it

hollow dock
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the stealth changes you speak of are alters to art, small dialogue fixes, and toy fixes. You're talking about

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removing

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an entire game system

tropic trail
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atm on beta it takes like 50 secs to kill a TBC boss xd

hollow dock
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no you weren't you came in accusing Blizz of being anti-fun

tranquil steeple
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I'm still gonna be saying B e t a

tropic trail
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Blizz has been anti-fun plenty of times

zealous basalt
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Liek...

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Demo warlock seems really fun in beta atm...