it just took longer
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
zealous basalt
And leveling with a shield
tropic trail
easy to level just spam dungeons with heirlooms until 100
still lily
You had 2 classes that could level without Tedium, Hunter and Warrior
unkempt raptor
I mean you would die more tho
hollow dock
especially now with the old world scaling
unkempt raptor
As warrior
hollow dock
and the hierloom nerf
tropic trail
easy enough for me I've leveled a lot of characters so far
zealous basalt
The scaling can be cruel
strange falcon
@tropic trail you've not seen the new level scaling have u
tropic trail
even with the heirloom nerf
still lily
The rest had to deal with a bunch of tedious inventory or ability management that turned every individual mob encounter into a miniboss level encounter
zealous basalt
If you dont know what you are doing
tropic trail
Yeah, I enjoy it.
hollow dock
yes because the XP amount
required to get to 10
from 1
is A LOT LESS
than vanilla
because the level cap is a lot less
that again
doesn't make it hard
unkempt raptor
No but u took longer to kill a mob and so would lose more hp
zealous basalt
Tho
unkempt raptor
And if you don’t have potions rip
zealous basalt
Try to level a character from 1-110
still lily
You took longer to kill a mob because no class was efficient
hollow dock
^
zealous basalt
No heirlooms
zealous basalt
No dungeons
strange falcon
we have literally double the levels in vanilla(120),if the leveling speed was the same,it would make a lot of people kill themselves unironically
still lily
Tanks couldn't tank
hollow dock
^
still lily
They lacked efficient aggro taking abilities
zealous basalt
Tanks had to tell the dps
still lily
DPS couldn't DPS, they ran out of resources too quickly
tropic trail
I'll tell ya what. I'll get to 100 in a day and ill start tonight
unkempt raptor
Also because u had to do auto attack
zealous basalt
To stop dpsing
strange falcon
cloth gear with strenght pogchamp
tropic trail
not only will it be quick
hollow dock
Again Rys
tropic trail
but it will be easy
still lily
And they needed the Tank to keep up
hollow dock
OR HARD
still lily
AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE HEALER
PRIEST
DRUIDS? NAH FAM
YOUR JOB IS TO CAST INNERVATE
zealous basalt
Priest or hpally
hollow dock
Druids in raiding OMEGALUL
zealous basalt
And hpally were the only pallies
strange falcon
the problem with 80% of the specs not working,was because there was absolutely no gear for them
unkempt raptor
I mean in vanilla u could die from a mob
hollow dock
If you were ret
still lily
Pally didn't even heal, Pally just sat and gave everyone buffs at the start of a fight
unkempt raptor
Now u never die
hollow dock
on everyone
still lily
Then shielded the healer in the event of a wipe
zealous basalt
Cruel times
tropic trail
But y'all didnt say anything about how in vanilla you had to get involved with the community compared to now
strange falcon
ah,the community argument,you're really running out of things to say now,are you
hollow dock
Im still heavily invested in my community on the server
zealous basalt
Not on the fame
tropic trail
also you had to learn your abilities instead of just getting them
zealous basalt
Game*
hollow dock
Heck we have server wide RP events
still lily
YES IT'S CALLED QOL RYS
zealous basalt
QoL?
hollow dock
We have transmog contests
tropic trail
yeah that's you but then you HAD to get involved with the community
hollow dock
Quality of Life
zealous basalt
Ah
zealous basalt
Its better than just
strange falcon
you had so little money,all your spells were lvl 1,or you had only half of your class's spells at max
pogchamp
hollow dock
No you didn't lol
zealous basalt
Spending 4000 fols
hollow dock
You never had to raid
zealous basalt
Gold
tropic trail
eh I like the experience of buying abilities
unkempt raptor
Also to change talents it wasn’t so easy u had to think now u can change anywhere lol
hollow dock
to do any of it
still lily
Then play Xenoblade
hollow dock
It was all optional
zealous basalt
"Experience of buying abilities"
tropic trail
you have to get geared vris
still lily
If you really want that
mint arch
lol, the community argument xD
hollow dock
By questing?
zealous basalt
Are you the people that hate Pathfinder?
strange falcon
old talent tree was so broken,people always went cookie cutter builds,even tho they had so much choice,and so blizz made that easier
tropic trail
I mean max level
tropic trail
but to get better gear
hollow dock
Questing gear was never 'irrelevant'
in which
halfway through vanilla
they added honor
and PVP
and a PVP finder
still lily
Also uh the argument against classic uhh
hollow dock
so
still lily
cough naxx40 existed cough
hollow dock
to get good gear
unkempt raptor
Yea but killing one mob was a lot of auto attack and if u pull to many rip
unkempt raptor
Now u can pull many and not die
tropic trail
It's not an argument it's just that everyone here is so quick to defend all of blizzard's actions
even if its a bad one
still lily
I mean you still needed attunements and certain raid specific gear pieces
hollow dock
If you dont like soemthing
still lily
what
hollow dock
that doesn't make it bad
still lily
How have they made bad QOL choices
hollow dock
u nincompoop
strange falcon
@unkempt raptor you can die to one mob right now on live,if you just autoattack like you sayxD
tropic trail
No not that
still lily
The removal of skill purchases, a good decision
tropic trail
thats not bad
strange falcon
LFR was a mistake
still lily
An actual quest log that functions like it should, a good decision
zealous basalt
The add of Pathfinder was good
hollow dock
they went to far on
unkempt raptor
Yea but u don’t auto attack because it’s not needed
tropic trail
Im talking about all the time in this channel these regulars always defend blizzard even if blizzard goofed
unkempt raptor
U os all ez pz with abilities
hollow dock
I defend blizzard on points I agree with
still lily
I don't defend goofs but you're only attacking the good things, like QOL changes
hollow dock
like the GCD changes
still lily
<-<
zealous basalt
Some classes depend on autoattack procs tho
unkempt raptor
But before u had to gain rage and shit
strange falcon
why would you auto attack,you have abilities FOR A REASON
hollow dock
I however almost never agree with blizzard on their story
unkempt raptor
I’m talking about vanilla
zealous basalt
To get rage?
mint arch
i don't get the LFR hate... just ignore it and let ppl who don't have time to do raids be able to see the content
zealous basalt
To earn a proc?
hollow dock
People view LFR as the killer of social interaction
tropic trail
What do you mean, you and that one guy always shut me down when im just proposing new lore ideas about how it will fuck with lore
zealous basalt
As a warrior you had to autoattack before doing stuff
hollow dock
killed social interaction
unkempt raptor
Yeah
tropic trail
and when I say anything about lore
strange falcon
agility on plate gear was a blessing,the items in vanilla were reallly wonderful
tropic trail
y'all defend it
unkempt raptor
Now it’s like abilities and ez kill
still lily
LFR was made so people who didn't have the time to be in a guild could experience everything this wonderful game has to offer
mint arch
social aspect of wow would ALWAYS have changed regardless of LF or w/e
hollow dock
I never do unless it's your complaints about their retcons
still lily
It's a godsend to the consumer
mint arch
times change, internet has changed, we have discord and wowhead and so much more
hollow dock
if you dont want to keep up that's on you :p
unkempt raptor
Even an attack had to wait for the next auto attack to go off
zealous basalt
The first attack
hollow dock
It's why they made Chronicles as well. To stop future retcons on the past events of the universe
strange falcon
@unkempt raptor if you want to stand there for a few seconds,without doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING because autoattack,is in fact auto,like the snoozefest it is
unkempt raptor
Yeah
tropic trail
yeah but it could be something as subtle as talking about the azothi
or something like that
hollow dock
N'zoth you mean?
tropic trail
No
unkempt raptor
No but what I mean is now u just spam abilities
hollow dock
The hecks Azothi
unkempt raptor
And it’s op
strange falcon
that's why you have abilities for
unkempt raptor
I know
still lily
Speaking of lore, I hope Pandaria becomes relevant again ;-;
unkempt raptor
But I mean compared to vanilla
still lily
I love my pandas ;-;
zealous basalt
Isnt Me or monks' auto are stronger?
hollow dock
they wont gamma
still lily
;w;
unkempt raptor
Where u had no choice but auto attack
still lily
My panda babies ;w;
hollow dock
I feel ya gamma
zealous basalt
Pandaria ended perfectly tho
hollow dock
I feel ya
strange falcon
it's called being out of energy valrinn
unkempt raptor
Wtf
tropic trail
Well when I was talking about "how could it could be for Azotha to be recognized in lore" y'all were really quick to shut down that idea and wouldnt stop bringing up that it's not cannon
unkempt raptor
Warrior has rage
still lily
That chapter of the Pandaren's culture ended BEAUTIFULLY
hollow dock
Azotha
strange falcon
warrior is called "being out of rage"
still lily
The story of the Pandaren is not over but that chapter of their lives is
hollow dock
I am not finding it anywhere
unkempt raptor
Yeah but now u get a lot of rage
tropic trail
unkempt raptor
To spam ability
zealous basalt
...rpg is not canon
hollow dock
the RPG isn't canon
strange falcon
yea,because if you remain out of rage,that's your fault,for fucking up
zealous basalt
They stated
unkempt raptor
Yeah but in vanilla
tropic trail
and y'all wouldnt stop bothering me about it not being cannon
zealous basalt
That rpg will never be canon
tropic trail
its still ok to talk about them
unkempt raptor
U auto attack a lot
unkempt raptor
Yeah
zealous basalt
Or do you want to med'an be canon too?
hollow dock
You never approach it as "Wouldn't it be cool if they canonize the Azotha?"
still lily
Ya know the RPG did have quite a few unique story elements
hollow dock
"here's how I think they should do it"
still lily
THat I wish were in the main canon
tropic trail
I didnt start it as that
unkempt raptor
But leveling in vanilla was dangerous
hollow dock
Start doing so and we'll go along with it =#
unkempt raptor
lol
still lily
If you want dangerous leveling play Xenoblade o3o
zealous basalt
You want dangerous go play Dark Souls
tropic trail
What I was saying is that it could be cool if Kul Tirans would make sense as ancient humans. Inbetween humans and vrykul and I compared them to the azotha
strange falcon
yea,because of a lot of reasons,your character was undertuned,the mobs had too much hp,the gear was absolute shit,with random stats for no reason that didnt fit your class,and you had too many abilties,and your resource ran out way too fast
hollow dock
That would be cool, but here's a ltitle issue Rys
We know that Kul Tirans are from Gilneas.
still lily
From Gilneas pre-second war*
still lily
The connection is near irrelevant by now
unkempt raptor
Yeah now it’s just yolo
hollow dock
gamma pls. Just follow my conversation with Rys
still lily
shshshsh
Vris I wanna be childish for a moment and debunk any connection to modern gilneas
can you please let me do that?
hollow dock
never
still lily
I wanna fan the flames of speculation
tropic trail
Kul Tirans werent from Gilneas until they said so in BFA, right?
still lily
So I may drink from the koolaid of skepticism
hollow dock
even in WC2
hollow dock
https://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft:_Chronicle_Volume_1 this is where it's placed into the canon from WC2.
strange falcon
you can still die very easily,if you're overconfident,it's just that now,you are actually balanced and arent a mess of broken game design that barely works, @unkempt raptor on top of that,i dont know if you got the memo,but wow itself was MILES easier than any other mmo at the time,like runescape or everquest,and by miles easier,i mean not that they were harder,they just were more tedious and grindier
unkempt raptor
Is it me or people who start wow now don’t like it and quit
tropic trail
can you give me a link I can actually read
ruby star
Stormsong Valley ❤
unkempt raptor
Well it’s also the game because I invited a friend and he didn’t want to stay lol
unique crag
Is Arcane Torrent still on GCD?
ruby star
Fuck I love Kul'tiras
ruby star
Which is a good thing
tropic trail
yeah but that was updated after BFA news
still lily
I do not like Kul'Tirans lore
hollow dock
It wasn't Rys
still lily
o3o
hollow dock
this was in Chronicles
strange falcon
it's not a recent thing,even back in vanilla (since you praise it so much), started playing and left, because if they dont like the game,there's nothing you can do bout it
unique crag
Nice
tropic trail
I dont think it can hurt to change up lore
unkempt raptor
I don’t praise vanilla I never played it lol
hollow dock
That's what Chronicles did Rys
tropic trail
I mean, hey, they changed broken isles
hollow dock
But now if its in Chronicles
it's not getting changed
that's the point of Chronicles existing :p
tropic trail
does it mention highmountain in the broken isles in chronicles?
hollow dock
Yes it does
strange falcon
lul graphics
unkempt raptor
Yeah
hollow dock
Huln and his people were on Highmountain when the explosion that ripped apart Kalmindor's super continent
strange falcon
if you want graphics go play other mmos, pogchamp
hollow dock
They became all moose-like because of an ancients blessing on his people
unkempt raptor
??
tropic trail
Well, chronicles will likely not be forever without retcon. shrug
hollow dock
It's the point of chronicles existing Ele
unkempt raptor
I was talking about my friends don’t call me pogchamp
strange falcon
ye,i was talking about him
hollow dock
to stop retcons on WoW's history
unkempt raptor
Well he isn’t here
strange falcon
tropic trail
Well, I think it does a good job of providing a baseline for a while. But I can't see Blizzard not fucking it up somewhere down the line. The< are not really shy about it, if they think it is necessary for a new storyline
unkempt raptor
And he is playing black desert online lol
tropic trail
Yeah but the Azotha aren't non cannon forever.
tropic trail
They could easily come back
unkempt raptor
Btw what does pogchamp mean
strange falcon
he would have loved vanilla's version of grindfest everywhere
tropic trail
So its safe to talk about it
without people complaining that its against their precious lore
and its "not cannon"
hollow dock
The RPG is constantly pulled from for new story
but
Until then it is not canon. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fun to speculate about
Like maybe the Gurubashi hunted them all down
or maybe theyre in the mountains
living as mountain people
tropic trail
If it's fun to speculate about, why bother not letting anyone and constantly bringing up that it's NOT CANNON?
hollow dock
because you never give the indication that you want to speculate about it
Like I said, it's all about how you approach the topic of discussion
like so:
Wouldn't it be cool if the Arotha did exist and had become the Drust?
still lily
Vris do you like Lightforged Draenei?
hollow dock
I do indeedy. I love my crusader.
strange falcon
i'm not the person to explain what emotes mean
hollow dock
DUES VULT DUES VULT DUES VULT
still lily
DEUS VULT
tropic trail
I mean technically Azotha are cannon.
still lily
I love Lightforged
strange falcon
vris it's DEUS
still lily
They're so cute
unkempt raptor
Idk i looked it up
hollow dock
Those were the first humans* to be clarified
zealous basalt
Wasn't it explained in WotlK?
hollow dock
the Azotha however, in the RPG, are never clarified to even be tied to the Vrykul
tropic trail
The azotha are connected to humans
hollow dock
as they were made prior to the Vrykul and the humans origins
still lily
Yo I just read about mythics in BFA. Is it true we'll be able to customize our keystones?
tropic trail
humans are connected to vrykul
hollow dock
But again that's all assumed Rys :p
viscid bobcat
Yes Gamma through some items
still lily
omg
hollow dock
none of it is a canon locking.
still lily
That's gonna be rad
viscid bobcat
Not sure how we get them but yes
still lily
So I can just constantly run M+ 20 Sanguine like a fucking NERD
hollow dock
Though I do like the idea where you're coming from
Which is why I say, I think it'd be cool if they were humans tha tbroke off.
Headed to the island of Kul Tiras
zealous basalt
You say sanguine
hollow dock
and from there they find death druidic magic and transform slowly into the Drust
zealous basalt
But you dont dat skittish and teeming
hollow dock
and then they fight with the Gilnaens and get wiped out and the drust sorta curse them into the fat humans they are today
tranquil steeple
Bolstering Bursting
tropic trail
Is Ymiron alive?
still lily
Bolstering, Teeming, Sanguine
You kill them and they get stronger
and as they die
they make a sea of AOE
That you can't stand in
Imagine that in halls of valor
Just for one moment
2 Narrow hallways
zealous basalt
Full of explosive mobs
hollow dock
yes but only in the halls of valor
as Odins slave
as punishment
for his ya know
Transgressions
unkempt raptor
What are you doing
still lily
Bolstering, Teeming, and any AoE Affix
In any narrow dungeon
Actually cancer
That's like at least one guaranteed wipe on M+20
tbh
tropic trail
I dont dislike kul tiran humans because for what they are
I'm just mad they took the Vrykul's place as the human Allied race
Anyways mechagnomes ftw
unkempt raptor
They’re humans
unkempt raptor
Yeah humans
tropic trail
Their "normalness" scares me
hollow dock
Vrykuls wouldn't work as an allied race
to much work is needed for them to be quickly added in
tropic trail
They use orc skeletons
hollow dock
I suggest Vrykul get the full race treatment
They do not
They look like it but I can tell you they use their own independant skeleton
hollow dock
As would I
tropic trail
but out of all the potential races
hollow dock
A full race. 1-20 zone
tropic trail
Vrykul is not likely
hollow dock
Vrykul and Ogres
tropic trail
Well the Horde equivalent would have to be relevant in the lore today. Which means no Ogres.
tropic trail
But then again they considered ogres in the past
unkempt raptor
Fuck ogres
hollow dock
so they fit together
unkempt raptor
They suck
hollow dock
For an allied race, they have to be relevant to the story. Which is why I would rather see them in as a full race
like a revisiting of Northrend
unkempt raptor
Dude no ogres fuck that they’re retards
unkempt raptor
Yeah I hate them
hollow dock
and I support the horde endeavours to get a race that they want to play.
tropic trail
did I say that
hollow dock
I would never want to play Vrykul or Ogres. Doesn't mean I can't support their additions!
unkempt raptor
Nah I know but we established I think
zealous basalt
What if
zealous basalt
Instead of a normal race
They are "exotic"
That requires a lot of work to get them
unkempt raptor
Rys would u like ogres
zealous basalt
And have diff classes that are really hard to master, and those races could be the big ones, vrykul, dragonkin, etc
hollow dock
I like the concept and idea of tha tMakore
I don't think it'd happen like that though.
unkempt raptor
Yeah but ogres are dumb
hollow dock
Blizzard is not very keen on keeping shit exclusive
zealous basalt
And it might be a lot of work for them
unkempt raptor
They’re not intelligent enough to be playable
zealous basalt
They are intelligent enough to have an empire...
tropic trail
Blizzard is not going to add Vrykul because A. it's not a fan favorite (even though it has a bit of fans) and B. We already have too many human (titan related) races.
unkempt raptor
But the rest were random warriors
tropic trail
Unless it's an Allied Race.
unkempt raptor
Ogres are dumb idc
Every time you see one they act like retards
Or think they’re op af but then they die
tropic trail
Next Race is either going to be Naga or relating to Orcs
unkempt raptor
Chagall is weird
hollow dock
certainly wasn't retarded
hollow dock
oh well yea. the average ogre's intelligence is "Mesmash this"
viscid bobcat
Naga you think? They’re kind of mortal enemies, maybe after azsahara is taken out...?
unkempt raptor
They act like retards and run like shits
tropic trail
I imagine with Allied Races though (blizz's new lazy escape), It'll be a long time until we see another race and the chance of seeing a Vrykul race is very low at that so the chances of seeing one any time soon is almost nonexistant.
hollow dock
I can see a situation IF they are forgiven
but most certainly theyd go horde
cuz they hatenight elves
viscid bobcat
Yeah agreed
hollow dock
but wait
then again
NIghtborne are on the horde
🤔
ey we dont care about those things
viscid bobcat
That’s what I was thinking too it’s tricky
zealous basalt
Probably a npc faction for the next xpac
unkempt raptor
Dude ogres think they’re epic because they’re strong
viscid bobcat
Some big stuff has to happen for that
tropic trail
I dont think it matters at this point if "naga are the bad guys"
viscid bobcat
Yeah probs
tropic trail
just make them good, no one cares
unkempt raptor
Ogres make me rage
viscid bobcat
I just mean they’d have to do a lot to make it make actual sense
tropic trail
cant wait for some important lore character to die
and be raised as an undead
or just resurrected
viscid bobcat
Reading the sylvanas comic... it’s bound to happen
tropic trail
or an already important character to be raised again
zealous basalt
...baine man
unkempt raptor
Voljin
zealous basalt
Baine
unkempt raptor
Why
zealous basalt
Does he care about the horde in beta?
unkempt raptor
Voljin was epic
zealous basalt
Or just for his fellow mons
tropic trail
now he's going to be a loa mon
unkempt raptor
I hope we see him again
viscid bobcat
We will.
tropic trail
Yep
terse patrol
There are already Ogres in the Horde.
viscid bobcat
Lel
unkempt raptor
Voljin was cool with his hair
terse patrol
Also, theres hints that Ogres may be buidings a more advanced ogre society somewhere with the new Feralas battleground.
Theres ogre ruins there
unkempt raptor
Yeah but they’re retards
tropic trail
better take the name shrek before ogres are added
viscid bobcat
At the ogre raid yea lol they’re smart
terse patrol
Most just aren’t educated.
viscid bobcat
True
unkempt raptor
They just wanna eat
viscid bobcat
Relatable
terse patrol
So, Blizzard could easily introduce an island kingdom of ogres who are smart.
tropic trail
So blizz, void elves exist but we cant have Zandalari paladins?
unkempt raptor
Yeah but ogres look weird
tropic trail
Also props to blizz for making dinomancers work without having to add a completely new class
rich apex
Zanda classes aren't confirmed~
unkempt raptor
They don’t look smart
terse patrol
<_>
unkempt raptor
Just by appearances
viscid bobcat
Zand paladins are not a thing due to lore that happens in bfa
unkempt raptor
No for real I don’t think they do tbh
viscid bobcat
👀
hollow dock
aksi Meesh
unkempt raptor
Yeah I saw it
hollow dock
Blizzard did say they -can- happen still
unkempt raptor
The ogres looked dumb in it
viscid bobcat
Hmmm okay
hollow dock
cuz Rezan is resurrected
terse patrol
Your opinion.
hollow dock
so it might
viscid bobcat
Like further in the xpac?
hollow dock
Zandalari paladins are the seonc allied race to add in
so a story thing might change to give them paladins
unkempt raptor
Yeah always personal opinon here
unkempt raptor
Opinion
tropic trail
I cant believe the people here can go around saying "x cant happened because x was retconned" and still have the nerve to even consider lightforged undead as an allied race
or lightforged orcs as an allied race for alliance
unkempt raptor
And why are they always fat
rich apex
Just because something exists
terse patrol
My are Orcs always muscular
tropic trail
Yeah but they are ridiculous
rich apex
Does not mean it's becoming an Allied Race
terse patrol
why*
terse patrol
tbh
unkempt raptor
Yeah true tho honkerton
rich apex
People flipping their shit over nothing, as usual
tropic trail
I dont think it matters at this point hyper, we already have walking talking pandas with very stereotypical culture.
terse patrol
By the time Lightforged Orcs happens, I don’t think the Alliance vs Horde will be a thing
viscid bobcat
I don’t see them double dipping on lightforged... though they do like adding fifty elven races 🤔
tropic trail
Where are my Anduielves?!
viscid bobcat
I love nightborne no hate
terse patrol
i wouldnt mind more elves but whatever
viscid bobcat
Ehhh I’m good
rich apex
When Blizz is adding -8- new races
unkempt raptor
I can’t imagine being an epic hero or something they just look ridiculous
As an ogre
terse patrol
more races in general is good
rich apex
I'm not about to pitch a fit if I don't immeadiately love one of them
tropic trail
Nightborne are just blue blood elves and people still have the nerve to call them night elves.
rich apex
Exactly
8 new races is insane
If you can't find one you like
That ain't Blizz's fault
terse patrol
^
viscid bobcat
Do you know the nightborne Lore or no...? Cause they’re certainly night elves
tropic trail
but I'd still like Vrykul
rich apex
Oh there's other races I'd like for sure
tropic trail
Originally, blood elves were night elves too.
rich apex
But still no point in pitching a fit over theorheticals
hollow dock
I mean
rich apex
(but man ethereals would be lit)
hollow dock
all elves were trolls
unkempt raptor
Guys can u imagine an epic ogre hero?
zealous basalt
Everything is an elf
rich apex
Elves are just 🅱 oneless trolls
viscid bobcat
Everything is just space dust
tropic trail
The Allied Race we deserve.
Remember these green globs just floating around dungeons?
ruby star
High Elves! 😎
unkempt raptor
Dude that movie is best@
tropic trail
Their racial can be "absorb"
unkempt raptor
Lol
tropic trail
Activate to "swallow" the enemies weapon disarming them for x seconds
not a bad racial tbh
unkempt raptor
It would be a little bit to op
tropic trail
HM Tauren can stun multiple enemies
and it's a dash
and it's not a charge ability
unkempt raptor
How do they stunt them
tropic trail
Meant knocking down
rich apex
Activate your racial ability to vore your enemy
unkempt raptor
To instantly disintegrate your enemy
steel venture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GJgDNQOsag
HD Amani bears are in, other bear mounts will get the same treatment soon.
zealous basalt
How do I get
QUESTION
Do you think that Blizzard will ever upgrade ALL npc models?
steel venture
The Amani Battle Bear is just from a timed run of ZA.
Not super hard to get with a max character.
It's auto-updating in BFA.
It's not a seperate mount.
and tbh, yes. probably
mint arch
eventually ya, they'll update all the models
i just hope they eventually do a world update as well
at least the main cities and places like holiday events and arenas/BGs
zealous basalt
Thing is Blizzard keeps the old stuff for nostalgia
mint arch
meh, i doubt there's enough ppl around to justify keeping old ass textures for nostalgia
maybe for mounts/pets, maybe
even then, there'll be classic for those ppl to go and get their nostalgia fix
zealous basalt
I would
Prefer
To see new assets in all Azeroth
Like
A total revamp of textures
Even if the new textures are a little cartoonish
karmic copper
Does anyone want to sign my guild charter "The Nation of Kul Tiras" on beta?
still lily
o3o
ivory palm
Survival have a new animation for Serpent Sting, I like it
Hope they add fire to the target while they are burning from the Wildfire bomb
calm wadi
my warfronts experience
sour burrow
Ehhhhh?
calm wadi
ye i cant see any1 or anything but seagulls
since i joined warfront shortly after doing tortollian world quest
calm wadi
yea
night comet
new playable race: Vicious Albatross
sharp bluff
Oh no... they must be Australian
dense plover
why would they be Australian?
zealous basalt
red alert
sharp bluff
Australian sea gulls attack everything from what I hear
They had to make special reflective fry holders to prevent them from taking it out of your hands as soon as you buy them
uncut vault
They changed the PvP armor again this build
Aspirant is now tier 1 of the armor, gladiator is tier 3
Tier 2 seems to be from crafting and rep/world drops only
grizzled sleet
What is pvp armor?
uncut vault
lone fern
does anyone know whether the champion equipment we have in legion will be able to be used on champions in bfa?
rich apex
Prooobably definitely not
grizzled sleet
Just like wod equipements can't be used on legion champions
I didn't know that warfronts set are the same as pvp sets
sharp bluff
wow that makes him look as bulky as an orc....
sullen dagger
that armor is friggin awwesome
dense plover
yeah those armor sets havent been tweaked yet
the shoulders are bugged on a whole bunch of races
they have to go through and fix them
clever ember
I love some of the environment things they’ve added Ive never noticed the tops of trees swaying in game before. But standing in fallhaven I see the tops of the trees moving and the decorative flags swaying. I’m loving it.
tulip flare
guys? are these hairstyles new? https://imgur.com/a/LXT3Z22#3UTEySM
earnest spade
Holy crap. It's the NSYNC blood elf whaaaat lol
meager warren
Idk about the hairstyles but those eyebrows are not new
ruby star
is that on beta?
sour burrow
http://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#Ra0z0zJ8z9cd9k87T Seem to be, lol
sour burrow
More confirmation that Blood Elves are absorbing High Elves meaning an AR is an impossibility. But you're at least being given something. :)
zealous basalt
Ar?
ruby star
This on beta?
tulip flare
Yes it is beta
tropic trail
Australian seagulls attack everything........ wow guys just wow
rich apex
They're not new, actually
Alas
It's just the styles that were once knew and previously you had to go to the barber shop to get them
But now you can get them when you roll the character
tulip flare
Oh welp. This explains
sour burrow
Ahhh, thx for the extra info. I vaguely remember hearing about such options, but didn't know what characters held that type of thing. Good to know it's part of character creation now.
rich apex
I was desperately hoping that we were getting surprise new hair styles
ruby star
Okay great, anyway it;s only a hair style, it won't affect high elves
zealous basalt
inb4 all high elves are eliminated and replaced by blood elves
ruby star
Ever since Ion's Q&A, Blizzard has fixed High Elves (eyes), Added/renamed skins to be called High Elves, Added High Elves into BFA such as Frostfencer Serpahi and now the new Yvera Dawnwing High Elf Portal trainer in Bourals, and Quest giver in new Stormgarde
sour burrow
You'll get more high elf lore, just not AR for them. So I'd say that's pretty cool, whether it's related to fan fervor or not.
zealous basalt
Patch notes: The windrunner sisters are the only High elves in existence.
sour burrow
My gambling-man theory is still on a Vulpera/Sethrak pairing later in the x-pack.
zealous basalt
Calling it for April's Fools notes
urban dew
Sethrak/Vulpera seem all but confirmed with all the stuff that they have.
tulip flare
BTW is there dataminers around here? I wonder if kul tiran humans will have 'normal' or thin body options
ruby star
hollow dock
they won't @tulip flare
tulip flare
that's sad. if i want to play human druid they have to be fat then...
hollow dock
sadly.
zealous basalt
I wonder if Kul tirans are bigger than humans
rich apex
Ion: if you want to be a skinny druid, night elves are over there
tulip flare
they turn into werewolf in combat. not really a human :/
meager warren
Kul'Tirans are giants?
dense plover
they are large
hollow dock
@tulip sun so the neutral champions of Azeroth are having us kill miners to get Azerite. When's sylvy gonna wage war on em? :p
dense plover
theyre big boned
hollow dock
they 'look' fat
zealous basalt
Imposing
hollow dock
but it's almost pure muscle
zealous basalt
Like if you wouldnt really want to mess with them
hollow dock
Like King Pin
rich apex
hollow dock
^
zealous basalt
Yes
rich apex
You don't get to be like 7 feet tall without being a bit thicc
zealous basalt
Kul tirans with dread plate armor
karmic scroll
ok, how are we supposed to replace our artifacts in the beta? is there a vendor?
uncut vault
You get a weapon from the very first quest
hollow dock
^
karmic scroll
yeah, one, two replace a dual wield?
uncut vault
That’s something they need to sort out and has been submitted
uncut vault
But if you played basically anything in Legion, you probably won’t replace it until some time into the leveling zones
karmic scroll
yeah my artifact is ilvl 209, just got a 213 axe, but nothing for my off hand
dense plover
youll find something quickly
they give a few weapons per zone
and ive seen more weapon world quests
tho for some reason, even tho im enh shaman, they are always int weapons
i dont understand why they dont just give weapons all 3 stats
karmic scroll
only gottten one so far onmy DH
usually they have a vendor int eh capital cities with gear
dense plover
they just need to add weapons to the darkshore world quests
and then make like base ilvl 280 weapons purchasable at 120
they wouldnt be great
but they would be acceptable
grizzled sleet
For 120 I think craftable weapons are good enough
dense plover
honestly, my problem is weapons
world quest weapons are trash
like - uber trash
obviously you shouldnt be able to get dungeon gear
but you should be able to get upgrades from quests
karmic scroll
:O
HATI!!!
karmic scroll
the Animal Companion talent?
hollow dock
yup
karmic scroll
...
hollow dock
Unless it's been updated to also mimic your pet spells (like KC)
otherwise it just sits there auto attacking
karmic scroll
Kill command yes, others no apparently...
hollow dock
Oh
Oh good!
that's basically all Hati did then.
Outside of the artifact abilities
and the AOE pulse
So that's good. Now Im content with it
karmic scroll
but it's a random pet from your stable
hollow dock
It's not random
it's the first pet
although now it is significantly more annoying to mimic your pets
uncut vault
honestly. the new Survival feels more like the classic beast master than BM does. Coordinated attacks alongside your pet feels much more like a beast master than just yelling at it and shooting arrows
hollow dock
like you need to tame a second loque now
uncut vault
replace wildfire bomb with a Rexxar like bird summon visual, you've got the classic WC3 Beast Master
uncut vault
only at flying units
karmic scroll
hmm... ok, so changed my first stable pet to the purple spirit beast, I guess thats... ok...
uncut vault
Beast Master was a main melee hero in TFT
karmic scroll
I guess this isn't so bad... but poor hati 😦
hollow dock
Does Mend Pet affect it?
uncut vault
it doesnt
zealous basalt
So
hollow dock
so what happens if that pet dies?
karmic scroll
nope, doesn't
zealous basalt
I guess it dies
karmic scroll
probably comes back like Hati did
karmic scroll
oh I like them
hollow dock
Oh yay! it did retroactively revert
Port!
Did it affect the uh
Blue ones
in Coldarra
Nexus dungeon
thing place
uncut vault
No, those unique ones still have the old model
hollow dock
D=
uncut vault
dont think they made new models for the magical variants
they havent tuned all of the legion trinkets, my MM beam trinket deals 90% of a mobs health
hollow dock
LOL
uncut vault
I love the poison/plague look that wilfire bomb gets with wildfire infusion
wish it was like the old ammo talent and you could choose the infusion you want
baine now enters with oculeth
interesting
island expeditions now show you the reward when you enter
dense plover
oh
uncut vault
when you click ready, it shows the item you get
dense plover
what kind of reward do they give?
dense plover
ok
viscid bobcat
has anyone found how to donate towards the alliance warfront??
I have a quest to donate gold or resources but idk where to lol
uncut vault
its not currently up
Alliance owns arathi
didnt give an exact number, but it was my first time getting azerite, and it got it to level 2, so about 500?
and an item to give to krag'wa
oh, gross, the rep pets not only require the rep, they require the new pet tokens
uncut vault
yeah so alliance still owns arathi
grizzled sleet
Are the numbers for azerite mythic dungeon gear updated now on beta ?
in the dungeon journal
lone fern
updated in comparison to?
grizzled sleet
for example
this
Resounding Protection Every 30 sec, gain an absorb shield for 208 for 30 sec.
208
What is the number for mythic ilvl gear ?
lone fern
oh. no clue about mythic sadly because i didnt get any azerite drops there but my 325 heroic has a 3859 shield listed there
grizzled sleet
Ok thanks 😃
grizzled sleet
Ok 😃 because wowhead is showing little numbers like 208, I think 208 is for level 110 or something like that
lone fern
if its linear, 4411 would be the value for 340
grizzled sleet
😃
hollow dock
Whatcha mean Warforged @lone fern
lone fern
nothing actually, just noticed, azerite cant warforge.. but my head is 330
and another ones 325, any reason why they are different?
grizzled sleet
Isn't it the +5 ilvl trait ?
lone fern
im retarded, yes
lone fern
i heard so but i havent seen it yet
checking asap tho since id get a 11k shield when i tank +4 mobs every 15s
grizzled sleet
Ok 
grizzled sleet
uncut vault
some traits do stack, I don't think the chance effect ones do
things like Champion of Azeroth do stack
grizzled sleet
Ok 😃
hollow dock
I believe their example for th traits that stack was the uh
legendary fire mage bracers
x4
lone fern
well this bulwark of the masses doesnt seem to work at all
meager warren
What if it does and you're just using it wrong
lone fern
im not evengetting it in the first place
also, why the hell is a 111 hunter able to kill a geared 120 tank
uncut vault
pvp scales
meager warren
Skill has more to do with how the fight goes than gear lvl,item lvl, and lvl
zealous basalt
Wait
lone fern
im a former glad, thats not the issue
zealous basalt
What do you mean with pvp scales
grizzled sleet
a lvl 70 can kill a lvl 120
meager warren
Like what i just said, mak
zealous basalt
So no more ganks from high levels to low levels?
meager warren
PvP is finally fair if beta converts to live in releasr in bfa
And yeah. Assuming that the high lvls are worse than or equal to the lower lvls in skill
grizzled sleet
zealous basalt
Inb4 lvls 1 kill 120
meager warren
xd
lone fern
pulled 4 grps of 6 mobs, no shield procc, so definitely not working btw
Details doesnt show anything either
grizzled sleet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm3Y3Dm8a_8&app=desktop Level 70 killing a lvl 110
meager warren
The pain. I feels it
lone fern
must be funny to kill a level skull enemy
meager warren
It SHOULD BE a thing
grizzled sleet
I can foresee twinks ganking 120
rich apex
all the 'world pvpers' crying because they can't gank lowbies anymore