and you would probably still be pissed
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
wild pewter
Calm down Peach :/
dense plover
im not upset
terse patrol
Peach likes to be super anal about shit, but when I get particular about logic in the lore, especially when it deals with the Horde, he gets defensive.
strange falcon
he's like khadgar,he's not upset,just very disappointed 
dense plover
im just trying to understand why you are saying more complex logic is bad. if you want them to simplify it, they could, but they wont because then the entire maghar recruit scenario would be pointless
im not defensive about the horde
terse patrol
you totally are
dense plover
im defensive about people saying something is bad writing
when it ismnt
its just writing you dont like
those arent the same
i dont like hamburgers vs hamburgers are bad
its like people saying lillian's writing is bad
it fucking isnt
its really interesting
its her having come to terms with undeath
and wanting to make that less awful for others
hollow dock
I thought it was, until they actually gave context
and was waiting for context to come out for it
dense plover
garona, is a mixed bag, she seems to be in it mostly because she knows that she will never be at home with the alliance
she knows that even though leadership will accept her, the common folk wont
and she will always be a subject of scrutiny
hollow dock
void elves
dense plover
with the horde, that isnt the case
hollow dock
cmon now
dense plover
void elf story is a fucking mess
hollow dock
The alliance's main religion is Light
we accept void elves
that should tell her that probably yea
she'd be accepted
dense plover
they are essentially saying there have been blood elves that have hated the horde since the begining
and it took void corruption for them to leave
hollow dock
there have been Peach
sullen dagger
i think alliance would accept anthing non-warmonger
wild pewter
Convenience
hollow dock
dissidents were tamed by the magisters
wild pewter
Better the devil you know?
hollow dock
in which for the velf story
dense plover
dissidents i guess
hollow dock
we dont know -when- exactly Umbric was banishewd
dense plover
but theres nothing stopping you from just leaving
from fighting and rising up? sure
hollow dock
we know it's post Sunwell fixing
wild pewter
Then you have nothing
dense plover
yeah, its pretty much just out of convinience
wild pewter
Which they did, it took Alleria offering them a home for them to say "Hell yeah sign us up"
hollow dock
Umbric even admitted that they mostly stayed just for that. convenience
wild pewter
^
dense plover
he did?
terse patrol
to note
dense plover
i guess i missed that
terse patrol
A bunch of elves did leave Quel’thalas
dense plover
yeah, high elves, they left in like the second war
terse patrol
hollow dock
but they got booted.
Nah
they got exiled for not wanting to follow Kael'thas' crazy plan
of drinking mana from living filk
folk*
terse patrol
^
hollow dock
so that's post Third War
dense plover
guess thats fair still
terse patrol
The moral elves left Silvermoon.
hollow dock
The sunwell doesnt' give em power.
dense plover
but its arcane isnt it?
hollow dock
The sunwell just sated their arcane addiction but even then
most High Elves that were not in Silvermoon/Eversong were able to meditate
dense plover
yeah, but now that high elves dont have the sunwell
hollow dock
drink mana gems
terse patrol
They get sated by the Sunwell NOW, but idk if they do in BFA.
hollow dock
and which
hollow dock
High elves DID get back to the sunwell
terse patrol
Sunwell Plateau is neutral.
hollow dock
^
terse patrol
yes
hollow dock
it's neutral ground butmost high elves don't directly draw from it anymore.
terse patrol
Only Alleria and the Void Elves aren’t.
dense plover
they draw from just arcane sources right?
dense plover
btw, related to this
hollow dock
Others like Quiel'then lodge dont
dense plover
i think naga are addicted to arcane magic
hollow dock
they completely banished it
terse patrol
High Elves are basically working to get over their mana dependence.
dense plover
in nazmir, there is a big naga faction
dense plover
and their voice lines talk about finding a new power source to sustain them
hollow dock
Vereesa even notes her difficult time in Dalaran when the Sunwell was destroyed
terse patrol
The Blood Elves are basically most Helves. They were too addicted.
Wretched aren’t made from lack of mana.
dense plover
yeah, sunwell broke that addiction right?
hollow dock
Sunwell sated it
terse patrol
They’re made from going nuts from addiction and using too much.
hollow dock
not broke it
dense plover
oh
hollow dock
Think like the Nightwell right
dense plover
so its still a neccesary thing?
hollow dock
It powers up most of the Sin'dorei's buildings
dense plover
wonder if those tree fruit from the arcandor would be useful
hollow dock
and Silvermoon in general
terse patrol
Blood Elves never weaned themselves off it.
hollow dock
Yup and the high elves did.
dense plover
dont know if the arcandor fruit would work with blood elves
hollow dock
I think it would IF they grew it on the Sunwell itself
dense plover
but thats an interesting plot point
hollow dock
but that might cause a whole slew of problems
dense plover
i mean
maybe take a small leyline or font of the sunwell?
the arcandor didnt feed directly off the nightwell
hollow dock
Yea it fed off the Leylines that the Nightwell did
hollow dock
but the Sunwell doesn't feed off leylines. It's powered itself with the Waters from the Well of Eternity and the heart of a Naaru
dense plover
although tbh, not sure bloodelves care about weaning off
terse patrol
The Shen’dralar are Highborne who weaned themselves off mana addiction too.
hollow dock
so we need to grow an Arcan'dor
terse patrol
Unlike the Nightborne
hollow dock
from the Tears of Elune
terse patrol
The Horde is the faction of junkie elves.
hollow dock
and yea. Basically all races besides the blood elves that had a magic addiction and the Naga
no logner have it
cuz they weaned themselves off of it
dense plover
i think naga still do
terse patrol
Naga probably do.
hollow dock
It's one of the many things they could explore if they just give the High elves some spotlight
dense plover
i mean
again
naga in nazmir
they talk about finding a magical source to feed their hunger
it seems like they are getting kind of desparate
terse patrol
“but ThE bLoOd ElVes ArE HigH ElVes”
dense plover
maybe thats why they wanted the tidestone?
terse patrol
i think the Tidestone would give them the ability to overthrow Neptulon.
dense plover
magic from well of eternity was still there in maelstrom right?
hollow dock
theorized but never confirmed as far as I know
dense plover
like destroying the well didnt seal the wound did it?
what if azeroth bleeding has made the magic stream too weak
dense plover
probably, though it seems like they are searching for a renewable source
they are stealing tortollan scrolls about magical artifacts
they speak of wanting a magical source to feed their hunger
and with azshara doing whatever the fuck she is doing in stormsong?
i wouldnt be surprised if we find the naga are looking for magic to feed their addiction
and we need to stop them because they are using azerite
so much
somehow this leads to azshara raising an island
8.2 Naga stuff
probably Nazjatar
Rise of Nazjatar is a decent patch name
grizzled sleet
Azshara also wanted Tidestone of Golganneth so bad, she even sent Mistress Sassz'ine to the tomb of sargeras to retrieve it
terse patrol
8.1 will likely be the war escalating to potentially crazy levels
Then Azshara stops things inadvertently
In 8.2
dense plover
or she attacks while we are weak
terse patrol
ye or something
But I wouldn’t mind the Horde attacking Stormwind, only to see their fleet get wiped out by Naga.
Then the Siege of Stormwind becomes like
Both sides fighting naga
dense plover
trailer intro "You fight for the land above you, all the while unaware of the horrors that wait for you beneath the waves" "We will lurk no longer" etc etc
i think what would be more likely
is a sea battle
both alliance and horde
then the whole battle is wiped out by a huge tidal wave
as a massive island rises from the sea
and like, its a cool coral and elven stone structure
with like azerite stuff going on
and stuff
untold fractal
I want ny'alotha to make an appearance at some point, that would be pretty awesome
terse patrol
idk, i feel like they’re referencing Sylvanas’ siege of Stormwind for a reason
I think that’s what’ll lead into Azshara.
dense plover
it would be way worse
its a nightmare place
also im pretty sure its a different dimension
or plane
i dont think its just sitting there
untold fractal
well it is called the "sleeping city" so it might very well be in some kind of stasis.... and it is thought to be a prison of an old god
hollow dock
I just want to walk around an open world with the screams of people everywhere.
I believe it's called the sleeping city because the dead go there :p
dense plover
im pretty sure nyalotha is like a version of the black empire that isnt on our plane
hollow dock
^
hollow dock
to be reborn in flesh and blood! For N'zoth!
dense plover
so its likely some kind of extraplanar area that the old gods have mental access and influence over
if we end up there, thats bad
i would rather see nzoth fully break out of his prison
and then have a full blown old god expac
Black Empire's Return
or something
hollow dock
Oh please yes~
dense plover
its one of the possibilities for the next expac
untold fractal
unless of course it is a physical place, there is the option of the sunken prison of N'zoth being Ny'alotha
dense plover
it would be cool as hell to be fighting nzoth as a final boss, and at like 80% health, the fight ends, and a cutscene plays of seals breaking, and nzoth breaks free of its prison
fairly certain nyalotha isnt nzoth's prison
nyalotha is a place that we cant see
its most definitely not on our plane
since the spirits of dead old god minions end up there
before they are reborn somewhere
grizzled sleet
There is 2 possibilities for Nazjatar
Either it's already in the surface and we have to discover it, or it will be raised from the sea, either by some sort of magic like how Guldan raised the broken shore from the sea or when Nzoth break free from his prison
for nyalotha, we can access it somehow, like a portal to another dimension with some sort of protection to avoid falling to it's corruption
dense plover
nyalotha - we could go to - i would rather it be the culmination of a purely old god expac
the argus equivalent
nazjatar is definitely underwater
grizzled sleet
Maybe to weaken Nzoth we have to do something on Nyalotha
dense plover
again, i personally hope we dont end up actually pushing nzoth back into its prison - i want nzoth to break free and give us an old god expac
untold fractal
if it appears in any capacity I'd personally prefer it be zoned similar to argus with quests, world quests, etc with a raid at the its heart. instead of just a raid
grizzled sleet
Yea I mean, when he break free, maybe we have to weaken it by doing something on Nyalotha before fighting it
dense plover
oh sure that could be possible
but right now, we dont even know where patches are going really
sullen dagger
ye, n'zoth deserves a full xpac
sullen dagger
just for the black citadel...
dense plover
well, black citadel doesnt exist
the black empire ended
it would have to be rebuilt
which again - im all for that
also, i want to see nzoth's insect race
all the other old gods have one
even yshaarj
grizzled sleet
Zidormi said on Silithus " Silithus has ever been a magnet for ancient, malevolent powers. I could open a timeway to reveal how the Black Empire once sprawled across these sands. Or show you wars waged between mighty armies.
So much history. So much pain."
grizzled sleet
yes but it's possible
dense plover
we wont do time travel again
grizzled sleet
and I hope it will
dense plover
time travel is bad
its way smarter to have a new thing
instead of going back in time
timeline shit is always confusing
hollow dock
its only bad now that they did the shitty retcon of how timelines work
dense plover
i mean
even if we go back into our timeline
its still confusing
people will be confused
dense plover
time travel is always confusing
hollow dock
we can't change or past
dense plover
i mean
zealous basalt
how timelines work now
hollow dock
Our timeline is solidified.
hollow dock
That's what Nozdormu was saying at the Dragon Soul event
dense plover
time travel is confusing
hollow dock
it really isn't.
dense plover
i would rather have a new black empire
hollow dock
Like the old timeline logic WoW worked on
back during cata
It's just another timeline separate to our own
different events happened. Doesn't affect ours
unless someone from there comes to ours
there's nothing that's confusing
but now? with the whole bologna of timelines disappear or implode on itself unless we solidify it
that's confusing
because its hardly explained
zealous basalt
So, how solidify?
zealous basalt
When does dat happen?
hollow dock
WoD.
Kairoz gets into a timeline with a fresh horde and Draenor's timeline is stablized
but it's unknown if this extends to the rest of the universe
zealous basalt
So...Outland doesn't exist anymore? or
zealous basalt
Ahh
grizzled sleet
Outland still exist, but the timeline is not relevant anymore
it's relevant to BC timeline
hollow dock
that's...not how it works. owo Outland just isn't relevant to our situation so its never mentioned
terse patrol
Ye Outland hasnt been relevant since forever
grizzled sleet
I hope it get removed sometime in the future if they ever make a "lvl squish" because it's the oldest map in the game and they will never revamp it unless there is a new expansion there, which is never gonna happen
oldest map textures and creature models
hollow dock
I do like it. I wish it would get updates but eh.
grizzled sleet
If they update 1 / 2 dungeons per major patch, starting from classic dungeons, it can be a good thing
It will also make leveling through dungeons more enjoyable
dense plover
most dungeons were updated with cata
classic dungeons dont need updates
BC dungeons do
theyre the worst offenders
polar sedge
Is there a way to transmog druid appearances on the beta yet?
dense plover
yes
you transmog the weapon
might not stay that way
since most druids dont use daggers or fist weapons
most people are hoping for the ability to transmog fist weapons into other stuff'
because right now you cant
grizzled sleet
even if you transmog the weapon you don't get the druida appearance
dense plover
i saw someone doing it, so im def confused
polar sedge
ok i just tried cause i didnt know it was there, i clicked the dagger appearance and it didnt let me apply the change
and 3/4 of the daggers it shows in my collection just show the different tints of owlcat appearances
dense plover
oh wait
i remember
its currently just in appearances collection
and its buggy af
polar sedge
ohh ok
grizzled sleet
can a guardian druid on bfa play with fist weapons or it makes him less powerful than a staff ?
hollow dock
dependson the stat distribution
Which fist weapons make me wonder
will they ever make paired weapons again?
grizzled sleet
doesn't change anything on armor or stamina?
dense plover
i dont think they can even find fist weapons
hollow dock
I hope they do. those were fun.
dense plover
which is why, as i said, i think they are going to allow other weapons to be mogged to fist weapons
zealous basalt
The couple weapons?
dense plover
either that or they will allow artifact weapons to ignore normal mog restrictions
sharp bluff
Hope they make more fist drops if the plan on locking guardians to fist
grizzled sleet
I don't think they will lock the druid appearance form to fists. maybe adding an npc to change your druid form.
but I was talking about weapons, I prefer using fists
sharp bluff
Oh well the are cool weapons for sure
limber mural
gimme them dual polearms on my rogue
sharp bluff
You could dual pole arms for a bit on some lol
That fun bugged heirloom
I miss my polearm and shield
zealous basalt
the nex exceprt
sharp bluff
With Baine was a troll representative, the elderly Master Gadrin
who?????
oh
so he is new troll guy?
uncut vault
He’s always been an old guy in Senjin, but no, he’s just there without actually being a leader, like Rokhan is
hollow dock
from WC3
uncut vault
For some reason they don’t want to just give the darkspear a new leader
sharp bluff
the comment section is good for the new parts
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MORALLY GREY
totally not evil or something
We have one side that is cleargood, the other is clearly dark, get the two together and... It's gray! That's what they meant all along, we just got it wrong :P
Silly us.
It all makes sense now
If Blizz would have said that in the first place, it would have been so much easier
uncut vault
based on gadrin's lines, he's replaced thrall's spot in the voljin storyline
sudden pollen
thats my thinking.
Kind of depressing they axed thrall out.
it that's the case, of course.
uncut vault
well even if he is still involved, he has a completely different role
gadrin has voljins ashes now
ruby star
Who the hell is Gadrin?
uncut vault
leader of senjin village
ruby star
Oooh
Also Port do you still have that close up High elf Portal trainer screenshot from new updated stromgarde?
Forgot to save it
uncut vault
Im gonna go get a better shot
ruby star
Nice thanks! Could you also get one from the Borulas area if possible please?
zealous basalt
is she new waifu or what
ruby star
Thanks Port!
uncut vault
ethereal area looks like an ethereal moved in now
instead of just kul tirans kidnapping them and sticking them in a house
ruby star
Yea Boruals is pretty cool
plain vigil
Found this quest in a chest in freehold.
You collect the scrolls from chests sofar, I'm unsure if you get them from multiple things
uncut vault
this guys back with his kobolds, and is wandering around the alliance mine, alliance dont seem to mind
plain vigil
Scrolls can be looted from chests, however some can be duplicates
sharp bluff
I knew those space goats were traitors
dense plover
its super wip
i dont think its going to stay that way
they even said that isnt the plan
grizzled sleet
Yes, iirc long ago they said they will add an npc on the class hall or something like that
uncut vault
I sure hope so, cause right now it not only only lets you choose one of the forms, it also doesnt work on other druid characters
neat idol
Why there is another update on beta?
grizzled sleet
@uncut vault she's not longer getting a new armor?
uncut vault
She is, its just only in the warfront so far
unique harbor
as long as the make demo locks on par with destro locks in terms of dps i will be happy
hollow dock
Throne of thunder. Not doing much otheriwse
jade basalt
We don't know where he is. We freed him in Throne of Thunder and then he leaves, saying we deserved a chance to fight the Old Gods and whatever, similar speech to Algalon
tropic trail
yeah
That's what I was saying
He's such a cool character
I wish he makes a reappearance
I can't see why not, the Legion was defeated
rich apex
in before Ra and Algalon change their minds about that
'yeah we gave you a shot and you started using a titan's lifeblood as weapons'
'where's that reset button'
hollow dock
they're just at the re-origination weapon
jade basalt
He could've showed up in Legion, something related to the artifact weapon that belonged to him (Fist of Raden, but instead it's a joke questline that refers to Heroes of the Storm), or something related to Ulduar or Odyn in the warrior campaign, but nope.
hollow dock
and waiting to hit it
tropic trail
Sadly, yes
uncut vault
He almost did show up in Legion
He got a new model in the same PTR patch as the magni pre-Argus quests
rich apex
He did? o.O
vivid flume
BFA is going to feature an all new 18+ mode for those who really wanna get the full "RP" experience ~ says director "elon musk"
restive sage
._.
jade basalt
@uncut vault That model was used.
In the Fist of Raden quest I mentioned, where he appears as just a vision in Xuen's tale.
zealous basalt
ooof
uncut vault
That model was not used in the Codex of Ra quest, it uses his Mists model with his scars, he only shows up at the end
16:46
Has all of his open wounds
jade basalt
It was. Look at the date of your video.
The closed-wounds model is from 7.2.5. It has been used in the Fist of Raden quest since then. So no it's not in your video from pre-7.2.5, before the model existed.
When Forsaken call other people "creepy" https://i.imgur.com/gOn1gfZ.png
vivid flume
When people read the quest lines
sudden pollen
calls a nightborne creepy
drips ichor on the floor while eating the arm of a corpse
frigid umbra
rich apex
vivid flume
no offense but undead are ugly
terse patrol
mfw forsaken want a Thousand Year Reich
uncut vault
@jade basalt https://gyazo.com/c51479bbb76be4999ff398bd8dede405
just did the quest, his model hasnt been used in game yet
tulip sun
I love these excerpts
It is interesting he is warning all the races...even centaur.
Perhaps we will see everyone together at the end 😛
I wonder what Sylvanas will say to Baine...
sharp bluff
Centaur are dead though... or was that magnatuar...
jade basalt
That would be odd, because when I did it he was using the closed wounds model
Did you do it on live or beta ?
elder otter
While you may be right, the person has said 3 things total here and only one could be classified as a joke... I don't think there's enough impact involved here to warrant calling anyone out. I've removed the comment(s). Thank you.
dense plover
its not just here
read what they wrote in offtopic
they are trying to piss people off
tulip sun
Centaur are not dead xD
But I found it interesting, of all races to be specifically named he visits.
I mean, they say he is visiting them all, but they name them specifically
tropic trail
I didnt know titan watchers bleed
tropic trail
coming from a world of magic
where there is so much bizzare stuff
I didnt think it mattered
uncut vault
was specifically implemented this build so 🤷
dense plover
yeah
i could be wrong
maybe the artifact ability is intended to stay until 115
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i doubt it tho
velvet briar
.3
grizzled sleet
Need BM with 3 pets 😦
grizzled sleet
or they add 1 additional pet every expac
I think the bug is because Hati is not treated as an artifact ability
uncut vault
the island expedition stuff are either catchup on a species, or hints for the future. In that case, it's a bit of both, catchup on Wrathion most likely, and hints for the uncorrupted black dragonflight
ruby star
Will be interested to see how this quest plays out
Uncorrruped black dragonflight Alliance allied race inserts Ions face
urban dew
I'd honestly be happy with just Sethrak
harsh wedge
Do the crafted legendaries effect work on the beta ? Especially about being able to fly with it ?
ruby star
tropic trail
BFA login screen out yet?
strange falcon
nop
tropic trail
Well at least the Dark iron dwarf and Mag'har orc character backgrounds are.
Speaking of which, if the Dark iron dwarf place gets updated will the background get updated aswell?
uncut vault
Probably not because it isnt a shot of anything inside their home
ruby star
Feels bad man, they reduced Warmode experience gain buff from 15% to 10%
urban dew
Vulpera and Sethrak seem likely to be allied races, and although they go off of existing skeletons, they're pretty unique
Why would it be a waste?
Wouldn't it be a waste to toss them to the side after this expac?
strange falcon
and here we go,just because the 4 we got were rushed,doesnt mean the others will be too,zandalari are clearly with effort put into them
and they're an ALLIED race
i'm talking about what we currently see on the beta,the zandalari are clearly not rushed and have a lot of work put into them,and they even have unique druid forms
uncut vault
source?
urban dew
Well I hate to break it to you, but Allied Races seems to be Blizzards way of adding in new races moving forward
uncut vault
so far, theyve been explicitly stated as not limited to sub races
strange falcon
blizz has stated multiple times that they called them allied races for a reason instead of just going with "sub races"
tropic trail
Zandalari Trolls are what other allied races should be.
strange falcon
the alliance hate aura is strong in this one
urban dew
Man, you're a ball of fun, aren't you?
tropic trail
I think they key part about allied races is getting to know them on your adventure, to grow on them, which makes the experience leveling one 10x better.
still lily
o3o
strange falcon
wee here we go,another alliance hate boner wooo
still lily
That's why we have thicc humans
still lily
Vulpera is your goblin update tbh
strange falcon
lul
urban dew
They'll probably ship it soon, maybe with the Sethrak/Vulpera ARs since they both run off of the same skeletons
tropic trail
Is it just me or are Pandaren that one spot of filth in a very clean window?
tropic trail
They're too goofy and it bothers me.
still lily
It literally is just you and people that didn't play the expansion o3o
still lily
Then you're just weird I guess
strange falcon
saying bfa allied races(not the 4 we have now) are a copy paste
tropic trail
Pandarans are just too goofy to be taken seriously in my opinion while goblins and gnomes are intentially goofy
strange falcon
congrats on pointing out the only race,that is clearly a "subrace" of the original,and even then it's very different from just your standard orc
tropic trail
To be fair Mag'Har orcs got a lot of new skin options, new totems, bad ass new armor, and new hair options
strange falcon
you're so full with rage,you cant even see through your own bias
still lily
Lightforged are a subrace
o3o
Kinda
The only race with new skeletons are Kul'Tirans pretty sure
tropic trail
I have to agree with the lightforged, sadly
Dark Irons though aren't just reskins though
urban dew
I would've like to have had a proper discussion, but this just turned into a rage fest
tropic trail
Dont you dare talk about my dark iron dwarves
strange falcon
you want me to hit on the alliance?,sure, what about the tiny humans,
oh wait
reskin
that's a gnome
tropic trail
To be fair Dark Iron Dwarves have a lot of new customization options and more
best totems in the game 10/10
buh bye slutty draenei shamans
bad ass tattoos
uncut vault
You are mixing up reskin and retexture
none of the allied races are reskins, they are retextures
uncut vault
reskin would be taking draenei, and changing nothing except for different colors
tropic trail
and truly enhance gameplay
uncut vault
lightforged have unique hairstyles, tentacles, runes, and tattoos
urban dew
Well, this kinda turned into a shit fest real fast, I'm just gonna go brainstorm some stuff for Arakkoa scenario
tropic trail
Allied Races arent all about new customization options
and you grow on them as you quest through the zones they belong to
strange falcon
something's not quite right here
also porter,i've never seen that model before,so it could be a slightly modified model for azerite earthen
tropic trail
Wait
with all the work put into allied races
they could've made one new race instead, right?
strange falcon
technically new races have a new skeleton,
so if you put the premise that a new full race wouldnt have a new skeleton,then the bfa allied races (zandalari etc) are almost the same as a new race,without a starting zone
still lily
I don't think the point of the allied races is to be entirely new races. Just, as the name states, allies of the current races that have taken up arms in the Alliance or Horde o3o
tropic trail
Instead of all the controversy over Allied Races
they could've put the amount of work put into allied races into a neutral race or something
strange falcon
they said they dont want to do neutral races as far as i know
uncut vault
tfw people dont realize allied races are rebranding of the race system so they can get them out without all the fanfare races used to have
and the rules dont actually matter
strange falcon
also it would be really stupid to make a neutral race in an expac that's advertised as faction war
tropic trail
the cinematic was about them fighting
strange falcon
it just happened
still lily
Pandaria indepth was about faction war but on the surface it was advertised as an expedition itno a new continent
tropic trail
they discovered pandaria by fighting
there's a whole quest line in pandaria about fighting the horde/alliance
strange falcon
bfa is all about "hurr horde vs ally" even the poster for the expac is faction war
there's even a WAR CAMPAIGN
you cant reasonably fit a neutral race there
still lily
The advertisements for Pandaria were all about the continent and the pandarens and monks
tropic trail
when joining the horde as a pandaren garrosh literally gives a speech about how they have to kill their alliance family
still lily
o3o
tropic trail
and whatnot
still lily
The war was never really mentioned in advertisements for MoP
The advertising is actually why Pandaria got so much shit, because it felt like it was straying too far from the traditional formula for the sake of a Panda meme
tropic trail
I like Allied Races
but the legion allied races feel so bad
new ones though, they're pretty cool
strange falcon
yea because the legion ones were rushed
do i have to remember you how we got them 6 months earlier
tropic trail
Actually Nightborne are pretty cool
strange falcon
than the others
strange falcon
the moose travel form is the best thing that ever happened,and yes nightborne are kool
tropic trail
I dont like Kul Tirans either
Im not disappointed about the work put into them
Hell they have a lot of work
its just that they stray too far away from humans
and they're less of an allied races
strange falcon
they're more realistic humans
still lily
It's meant to represent the difference in cultures
tropic trail
They look too different from humans though. They're so much taller than normal humans.
still lily
Any visual differences from Stormwind Humans or Gilneans is to show culturual differences
tropic trail
Like worgen height
strange falcon
there's a lot of fat humans IRL you know,it's good to represent them ingame too
urban dew
They're bulkier humans
tropic trail
Also they can be DRUIDS!
lone marten
'Big-Boned'
tropic trail
Humans cant be druids!
still lily
Okay, tell that to the moments in the Worgen starting zone before you become a worgen
tropic trail
I know kul tirans have this fancy pantsy lore to back up their druidism
still lily
o3o
tropic trail
but it doesnt feel right
tropic trail
like worgen basically
still lily
Worgen are normal druids tho o3o
strange falcon
ryswell,dude have you even seen the kultiran druid forms
tropic trail
hell they came from gilneas
still lily
Kul'Tirans come from Kul'Tiras
o3o
Which I'm pretty sure is entirely separate from Gilneas
Both culturally and geographically
strange falcon
ye
still lily
I thought Kul'Tirans were well established as their own nation before Worgens were even a thing o3o
lone marten
Pretty much
tropic trail
Also Kul Tirans fail to make any important appearances in past expansions
Unlike the Zandalari Trolls
still lily
Okay, their connection to Gilneans is literally pre-third war and was for like 5 minutes
So it's irrelevant
<-<
tropic trail
relevant enough
still lily
IT was pre-second war
still lily
idk
But their connection to Gilneas as a nation is entirely irrelevant by this point. Genn recruiting them would make sense even without those connections because he's a lead military commander of the Alliance
strange falcon
but worgen are gilnean humans 🤔
tropic trail
Kul Tiras has a lot in common with Gilneas. In the same way the Nightborne have similarities with the Blood Elves.
still lily
it does, until they get into combat
That's called pragmatism
Why would they fight in the basic bitch human form
when they can fight in the WOLFY WOLF FORM
strange falcon
yea,and if you wanted gilneans humans as an allied race,basically an already existing race,but without the only thing that makes them unique,that's a reskin
good job
tropic trail
If you go druid you can set up a macro everytime you go out of a druid form you also go out of worgen form
so where your never in worgen form
strange falcon
you contradict yourself
still lily
Actually it does, we can assume it takes a certain level of mental strength to stay out of worgen form
So it would make sense for casters
o3o
uncut vault
if you hate worgen then play human
strange falcon
gilnean human model is the exact same no changes as the human model
strange falcon
yes he's totally 100% serious
still lily
Entirely serious about this?
uncut vault
feels like ive transported back to 2011
still lily
Something that literally no other player other than you can hear
LITERALLY NO OTHER PLAYER
uncut vault
people still using gay as an insult and whining about worgen transforms
tropic trail
New Allied Race? Anduelves
strange falcon
he's so serious,he cant even discern between sarcasm and actual seriousness,he's that far down his own bias
👏
strange falcon
i've never said you were horde bias dude
still lily
Draenei aren't shit but okay
strange falcon
you're putting words in my mouth,and by your profile pic,i'd say you play alliance a WHOLE LOT more
urban dew
Lightforged undead confirmed as next allied race for Alliance
tropic trail
Voidforged Anduielves?
strange falcon
"your opinion is wrong,so everything i say must be what happens"
still lily
No alliance race has a good starting zone lol
strange falcon
yes that's true
still lily
YEAH CAUSE ALLIANCE IS CERTIFIABLY RACIST
PAY ATTENTION
THE ALLIANCE IS REALLY FUCKING RACIST
strange falcon
they are
still lily
THIS ISN'T A SECRET
SO OF COURSE THEY HAVE MOSTLY HUMANS WITH MINOR CHANGES
YOU IDIOT
tropic trail
Highmountain Tauren are just normal tauren with moose horns. Literally same culture, accent, everything
just on the broken isles
urban dew
We're probably getting Sethrak
strange falcon
the unique race you're getting is the snake people
urban dew
That's where they seem to be going
urban dew
And I'm excited for my noodly bois
still lily
NOODLY BOI POWER
tropic trail
Sethrak and small animal things dont count as allied races.
strange falcon
unfortunately for them sudura,sethrak have legs,while naga do not
still lily
"This new allied race doesn't count as an allied race"
o3o
that makes no sense
o3o
tropic trail
If those small furry things become a race/allied race im going to name mine Master Shifu. My friend has a Pandaren Monk named Po
strange falcon
isnt that exactly what you HATE about worgen though @tropic trail
uncut vault
I 100% wouldnt have a problem with that
strange falcon
so naga transforming into high elves is okay,but humans going into wolves is totally not okay
uncut vault
but worgen arent shafted
you can be worgen 24/7
okay how does the model quality pertain to the xform stuff
tropic trail
Naga cant transform into high elves wheneve rthey want
urban dew
Anyways, give me my noodles Blizz
strange falcon
goblins still need an update btw
tropic trail
if they could they would've dont it by npw
still lily
Naga transforming into high elves LITERALLY MAKES NO SENSE
Naga is an entire evolutionary chain. That'd be like Night elves turning into trolls out of combat cause that's what they evolved from
still lily
Naga is an evolutionary chain extending from elves
hollow dock
well. not entirely gamma
still lily
Not like Worgen
tropic trail
bad points
hollow dock
they're night elves magically transformed into naga by N'zoth :p
strange falcon
@uncut vault that's why it's funny porter,
tropic trail
technically highborne
uncut vault
its not even funny at this point, its sad that this is unironic
hollow dock
technically. Though most naga now are certainly natural born naga.
still lily
Was that retconned? I thought in Warcraft 3 naga were elves that evolved into Naga through years of deprivation and curses
o3o
urban dew
Not even sure what this turned back into
hollow dock
that was in Warcraft 3. That's been heavily retconned since in multiple sources
hollow dock
such as the Well of Eternity books, Chronicles, etc
still lily
I like the Warcraft 3 explanation better
But okay
Current Lore is current
what can ya do
lol
still lily
A lot of things are o3o
hollow dock
As Zin'azshari was sinking, Azshara was contacted by N'zoth and she was saved by him. Her followers and herself were transformed into the naga and they became servants of the Old Gods
still lily
Even in Vanilla a ton got retconned
tropic trail
new lore doesnt make sense
still lily
Oh cool
still lily
And the new naga have the ability to procreate right?
hollow dock
Yup
hollow dock
In the goblin starting zones you have to deal with a bunch of 'baby' naga
tropic trail
eggs
hollow dock
seems like eggs
tropic trail
they were changed far beyond imagining
still lily
Sethrak hype
tropic trail
Im usually against having pretty female races but if naga ever become an allied race I hope female naga are beautiful. I would very much like a mermaid race
still lily
Sudura stop beign a meme
still lily
Sudura please stop being a meme
urban dew
NOODLE HYPE
hollow dock
they are
still lily
NOOODLE
still lily
🍝
hollow dock
they're wicker druids
still lily
OMG THEY DO
hollow dock
they are in fact humans
still lily
THEY ARE LITERALLY HUMANS
hollow dock
^
still lily
JAINA IS KUL'TIRAN
tropic trail
Only thing that excites me about Kul Tirans is that they remind me of the laketown people from the hobbit
hollow dock
Garithos was fat as fuck
tropic trail
No really
hollow dock
drink plenty of alchohol
urban dew
You know having some fat helps incase you're slashed, right?
still lily
All pandarens are fat
hollow dock
If you don't like being fat, play normal human 🤷
still lily
Also muscle is heavier and bulkier than actual fat
So Kul'Tirans might actually be buff as shit
o3o
strange falcon
i dont have enough popcorn for this guy
tropic trail
thats my problem with kul tirans right there vris
tropic trail
Kul tirans drift too far away from humans to be a legit allied race unlike the other allied races.
hollow dock
yes they are Sudura
still lily
o
hollow dock
they are an allied race Rys
tropic trail
If you want to call them that
still lily
Females normally get special treatment
urban dew
Seriously, what the hell is even going on here anymore
uncut vault
<@&299347348847329281> Sudura's been flaming and insulting people for the past hour or so
strange falcon
i'm going to be extremely racist here to prove a point, so what sudura is saying,that fat humans are not part of the human race,is the same exact thing as saying that "black humans" are not part of the human race
congrats
gg
still lily
<@&299347348847329281> He called me a retard
barren latch
still lily
You called me a retard
I'm not a retard
That's not a true statement
What
I didn't rage about anything ;-;
tropic trail
Look here's the problem. I'm pro Human, all the way. I main humans, almost all my characters are humans, and I truly love the Human lore.
strange falcon
i dont have a screenshot but "kultirans are not part of the human race" is hilarious too
still lily
@tropic trail Draenei are cuter uwu
urban dew
But noodles are the best
tropic trail
When legion allied races were released tauren mains got HM tauren, draenei got Lightforged Draenei
still lily
Yus
tropic trail
and what do I get?
tropic trail
totally different humans
strange falcon
they arent the same as gilnean druids,but they are still HUMANS nonetheless
barren latch
Welp, They can't say I didn't warn first
uncut vault
Thanks
urban dew
I'm a supporter of a good chunk of ARs
urban dew
And I'm fighting for Arakkoa right now too
still lily
Arakkoa would be rad
tropic trail
Sure they're "humans" but they're not close enough to normal humans like the other allied races are to their racial counterparts and it ultimately disappoints me.
still lily
I'd love Arakkoa
limber mural
I want Dragonkin hero class but we can't all have what we want
tropic trail
You have to admit, I make a very good point.
still lily
I was the one that brought up thjat idea too ;w;
still lily
Dragonkin Hero Class would be my new main instantly
strange falcon
you mean worgen,but instead of turning into wolves they turn into dragons,and they're elves instead of humans?
still lily
🐉
tropic trail
I don't think it adds up with lore.
strange falcon
that sounds recycled
still lily
o3o
limber mural
Well we know dragons can appear as whatever they like so race pick is irrelevant
tropic trail
Next hero class would most likely be a Necromancer. Seeing as it was planned, like demon hunters.
still lily
We meant more that the specs could be inspired by the flights and race doesn't matter
still lily
Since Dragonkin can just look however they want
uncut vault
taelia and flynn solving the problems of the horde by killing off alliance ambassadors, one by one
limber mural
Race would just be a 'choice of appearance'
limber mural
And flying mount shapeshift ofc
still lily
Like they'd have to be neutral
limber mural
Hopefully using multiple models like Kalecgos's model etc
tropic trail
Why not a dragonkin race?
urban dew
I think our best bet at any playable Dragonkin would be Drakonids
tropic trail
Why not a new class and race combination (like Pandaria)? Naga and Tidecaller?
Oh, wait. That's right
Shamans exist
urban dew
I'm not sure if Sethrak would get shaman
Actually, they probably could
Since they're terraforming their land
weak bison
what will happen to rest of your artifacts that are in bank if your currently equipped artifact is overcharged (if im right)