Which is why I think the whole cross model argument is bologna but w/e. We made mock ups of high elves with more human features to help distonguish em.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
ruby prawn
Only the Zandalari will have big changes
Making high elves look more human would be heresy
An abomination!
uncut vault
I mean the prevailing idea for actual skeleton changes is making them look like their OG models, night elf recolor
hollow dock
We just showed the idea exo. https://image.ibb.co/mCTr3c/HE_Male_Skintones.png
The other idea is yea as port said.
Reverting back to those horrific models and then giving them a proper HD update.
ruby prawn
Yeah and it looks horrible
uncut vault
no u
ruby prawn
That image
Yeah, I know :(
But don't drag me into this
I won't be an NPC in the game anytime soon
If they get a remodel like that, it would be horrible
tropic trail
what race is your death knight
hollow dock
Human. Its my only nonelf because I use her to farm everything
tropic trail
They need some max level quests for races in BFA or future expansions. Kind of like how they had a shit ton of class specific quests in Legion.
Because the lore for Races has been kind of lacking lately
y'know?
hollow dock
DKs are the kings of soloing content, hard to kill, easy to level, human racial helps too.
tropic trail
and warlocks
hollow dock
I mean theyre not gonna do anything with night elves after forcibly removing them from their ancestral home that even the burning Legion thrice couldnt do. 🤷
ruby prawn
The horde is so much more powerful than the burning legion
They were able to destroy a world tree, unlike Archimonde
Who tried to do so multiple times
The horde is the real faction
Where were they when we went on Argus?
We didn't send the horde because they were too powerful to control
tropic trail
Argus reminds me of Mordor
sharp bluff
🤔 well... your not wrong
ruby prawn
Bow to the might of the Horde
ruby prawn
[T]/ praise the Horde
sharp bluff
Murderhobo > infinite army of demons though
strange falcon
you mean an infinite army of demons that could never get anything meaningful done?
ruby prawn
It's a joke Vris
strange falcon
hollow dock
The horde arent tbe murder hobos. We are.
ruby prawn
But still, Dafire is Right
sharp bluff
Don’t forget the army of infinite dragons that do nothing 😆
ruby prawn
They were powerful before, but after stumbling over Azeroth they forgot how to demon
hollow dock
Yea basically. After the night elves and dragons best em in WoE
They never were the same
tropic trail
to be fair the horde had to have help to bring down the burning legion
or are y'all talking about the darnassus thing
hollow dock
Im talking how the horde managed to do what the legion couldnt with three different invasions yes.
sudden oak
as far as I know the legion didnt attack Darnassus
hollow dock
The horde pushed them out of ashenvale
Thats something no one has been able to do in the past. Bunch of corpses werw able to do it when a bunch of fel roided orcs and demons couldnt.
ruby prawn
Who made a cut on Sargeras? An orc!
hollow dock
Ouch. Owie. A small little cut.
As much as I hate him, whos the jailer of sargeras? A night elf.
sharp bluff
A failure
sudden oak
id say he is more demon than elf at this point
hollow dock
Still a nelf.
sharp bluff
He who shall not be brought back
ruby prawn
He is shit
sharp bluff
A demon who showed the world the Naaru are evil
hollow dock
Did you not see the ending of antorus?
ruby prawn
I did
sharp bluff
The lesser annoyance of the two brothers
ruby prawn
What's illidans role? He wants to kill him? Or how exactly does Illidan keep him there
sharp bluff
All I got 🤷
Probably battle him for eternity knowing illidan, but no idea in all honesty
ruby prawn
A slap on the cheek from Sargeras will send him to the twisting nether
hollow dock
So. Eh.
ruby prawn
Yeah, he gets slapped, waits a thousand years to come back, gets ganked again, repeat
sudden oak
Sylvanas is a disney princess 
hollow dock
Ok that bottom one was fan art that doesnt count
sudden oak
more like the 3rd one doesnt count since she wasnt poisoned
but the last one counts since she did get enslaved
hollow dock
She was but the pictures wrong :p and yea she wasnt poisoned either
uncut vault
those qualities make grommash a princess right
terse patrol
i’ll admit defeat, it seems it is Delaryn who dies on the beach. Even though I think that was the excessively lame and cheap option.
sharp bluff
It is, but did you expect them to have a meaningful person die?
Can’t have a big wig who supports the alliance die
uncut vault
nah man, its TOTALLY a high elf!
dont you believe my conspiracy theories about a high elf who has no reason to be at teldrassil?
terse patrol
If she dies, its likely in a cinematic
rich garnet
I'd laugh my ass off if Sylvanas and Alleria bites it, but Vareesa survives.
terse patrol
sadly wont happen
ruby star
I don't think Vereesa will die but who knows
uncut vault
arator will be the focus more than vereesa
she might tie into that but I doubt shes dying
ruby star
Arator will probably be more likely to die now
hollow dock
Sylvanas wouldn't save Arator though. Not unless she believes it can make Alleria join her.
and even
then.
She's in the mindset of killing living and raising them as dead.
ruby star
Plus Alleria would never join the horde
ruby star
I mean it's really hard to tell what Alliance allied races we'll get
They have them planned but for all we know they could be void gnomes
sharp bluff
Vault gnomes
terse patrol
terse patrol
No thats a vault gnome dabbing while bombing a horde town
sharp bluff
🤔 well your not wrong...
frozen dust
still lily
Lightforged murlocs
sharp bluff
Murloc anything ❤
still lily
@sharp bluff are you junk rat?
sharp bluff
Well I did get his gold gun when I played
😆
I'm not Aussie enough to be him though
and I think I have both my feet still
sharp bluff
oh I assure you we are not the same person, as far as I know
meager warren
So you are the same person?
sharp bluff
Well we are in the same chat room at the same time
hollow dock
could be 2 discord accounts
sharp bluff
To much work
hollow dock
that's EXACTLY what someone trying to hide that theyre on two discord accounts would say
rich garnet
The plot thickens. 
sharp bluff
🤷🏼
meager warren
hollow dock
Void elves were made not like
5 seconds ago
Lightforged didn't exist on Azeroth to be raised
Nightborne and Highmountain were unknown to Arthas
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strange falcon
@sullen dagger because they didnt die when arthas was still alive,it's logic,you cant mess with the timelines dood
hollow dock
as for the argument that Ebon Blades been raising DKs
sullen dagger
oh righto
sullen dagger
yea can dig that
vast mirage
is it possible we can get new allied race like the night elfs? or there is none
wait
we already got void elfs
lol
sharp bluff
basically Velfs and Nightborne, they gave horde the nelf skeleton, and alliance the belf skeleton
terse patrol
Ion kinda hinted I think that we might see a new generation of DKs in the future
clever ember
next xpac will probably take us back to northrend. Or some other frozen wasteland! 😄
terse patrol
dark iron DKs, who have frost beards pls
clever ember
and we'll have to deal with the LK
terse patrol
blue fire
sharp bluff
well since no one likes underwater combat, what better way to get rid of water then to freeze it?
using the lich king
😉
terse patrol
nah, I honestly think next expac we’ll be going underground to handle the internal damage to Azeroth, and fight the Nerubians/Aqir who want to collect her blood.
I think we’ll see stuff like dark trolls and the like
hollow dock
the dark trolls are official extinct though
hollow dock
yea they are. O.o the last one is in Zuldazar
most dark trolls transformed into Night Elves, but there was still a decent population that was left. The last one alive is in Zuldazar making morbid jokes about how she at least gets free drinks
terse patrol
They could easily say “oh, they just went underground.”
And the one in Zuldazar is out of the loop.
hollow dock
Considering she came from the massacred tribe
terse patrol
EZ
hollow dock
I think she'd know
terse patrol
We don’t know how she came to be there
so
Just saying. It hasn’t stopped Blizzard before.
hollow dock
When did blizzard bring back an extinct species?
zealous basalt
points to Horde's amount of players before they added blood elves
hollow dock
until it happens
terse patrol
See: Calia’s “i dont wanna rule lordaeron” lines
hollow dock
no reason to believe it'll happen.
terse patrol
Anduins VA is doing the audio book. @hollow dock
hollow dock
neat
agile token
boreal otter
What is up with the "Warfront Contribution" Quest as ally - Is this even up? Cant find any NPCs. Is it only up for horde because alliance already has the warfront currently?
hollow dock
Yup.
think that as the uh
Contributions on the Broken Shore
only its for Profession items
rather than a currency
When you collect enough, the warfront is up
and keeps going for a bit and then you rinse and repeat
near cosmos
the zone looks gorg, I hope they sort out every other zone as well, especially the trees
those trees look so much better
hollow dock
they'll do em as they become relevant to the war
boreal otter
Ok, was just wondering because i could accept the quest as ally but its neither on the quest log nor could i find any npcs - i suppose they are near the pvp headquarters for the horde?
hollow dock
I believe so
boreal otter
alright ty 😃
dense plover
no
for horde everything relevant is near the banshees wail, the boat with the war campaign stuff
pvp stuff is further away
essentially, when the warfront is up for one faction, its down for the other. during that time, the zone is controlled by the other faction, has world bosses and rare elites that cant be solo'd. in your faction's warfront area, you can then donate various resources including some crafted and some gathered items as well as gold and war resources to add to the percentage contribution via repeatable quests marked with blue quest markers. these give some amount of contribution to your faction, as well as some rep for your war faction and 750 AP.
At this point im speculating on how things probably work: at 100%, the warfront switches sides, either during the next daily period (like the way that buildings work on the broken shore, i think), or after a set amount of days, and the factions essentially switch roles, allowing the other faction to queue for the warfront and the faction who had the warfront to do world bosses, donate resources for rep and AP, etc.
near cosmos
are warfronts cross region? cause most servers tend to be heavily in favour of one or the other faction
across the whole region, I should say
dense plover
pretty sure
i think its based off the building system
so its probably US and EU
no way to test right now
beta only has two servers
near cosmos
fair
rich apex
I'd imagine they'll tweak the war effort building up as needed
near cosmos
the way you worded it above made it sound like all you have to do is contribute X resources and then it switches sides no matter what, but Im gonna assume there's gonna be some form of fight and how long it lasts depends on the amount of resources committed
rich apex
Presumably they want a certain approximate downtime for when you don't have access to it
dense plover
itll definitely be slowed down a lot
rich apex
Given Arathi is also a world quest zone down the faction that does have it
near cosmos
so if alliance across EU contribute 1 billion resources and horde contribute 5 resources, the horde are gonna lose
rich apex
The factions don't compete
dense plover
^
rich apex
They cycle back and forth
dense plover
only one side contributes
near cosmos
that's a bit silly then
dense plover
when you can contribute, the other side has the warfront
rich apex
WoW ain't really a PVP game 😛
hollow dock
Wait I thought there were plans for PVP warfronts? Have those just fallen through?
rich apex
-in theory-, yeah, a massive population imbalance could give one side control for a week and then the other side for a day
dense plover
there were never plans
rich apex
I don't recall any word of plans for PVP warfronts
dense plover
that was a rumor
zealous basalt
Do you remember
dense plover
started by people who didnt understand what they were
zealous basalt
When all three things in broken shore were up at the same time?
near cosmos
it would be neat if they made it AV-like, where the amount of respawn tickets your side had depended on the amount of resources you contributed, and then there was a massive fite that lasted until enough people died on either side
dense plover
yeah
the point pretty much is to create a balanced cycle that allows you to earn rep and AP using professions
hollow dock
OH ok. looking it up now, people confused Warfronts with War Mode
dense plover
its a great way to keep proffessions relevant
near cosmos
Im gonna live in my own fantasy world where these warfronts are a trial for a system like the one I described, as I'll bet someone at Blizz already thought of it about a year ago 😛
rich apex
I'm sure Blizz has a lot of ideas that sounds really great when they write the one sentence pitch on the white board
near cosmos
yeah, Im a programmer so Im well familiar with design oriented guys coming to me saying "hey I want you to do X" and Im spending 3 hours convincing them it's not feasible 😛
near cosmos
triggered
rich apex
as if they're going to upend their entire BFA schedule to do so
hollow dock
same Bel
rich apex
something something high elves
hollow dock
assuming people want it in BFA even though most of the posts want them in later expansions. When theyre relevant.
near cosmos
every time a user says "why dont you just", a programmer descends deeper into alcoholism
rich apex
Acknowledging that creating a decent high elf Allied Race model that isn't just changing the eye color would take time
is at least a step in the right direction 😛
near cosmos
I was just speaking generally 😛
rich apex
(And a fair possibility they will do it if they do another set of Allied Races for 9.0)
but hey
hollow dock
Or when people say "Well it's simple enough they just do x"
rich apex
clearly blizz is just lazy
Everyone knows that when you get a job at the biggest MMO in the world
hollow dock
"they're just lazy because they can't do this thing I perceive as easy."
rich apex
You leave work early for happy hour
near cosmos
assuming you even show up to work in the first place because its an MMO, it runs itself!
dense plover
XD
near cosmos
we won't really be alive for that
rich apex
in before Illidan helps Sargeras escape in 12.0
hollow dock
Patch 12.1.5
terse patrol
I do wonder though
hollow dock
"Yea we're going to have to do a squish of the patch numbers"
zealous basalt
"Added new emotes"
hollow dock
"they're getting far to long for people to understand"
terse patrol
If the Horde win, where will the Alliance be in Arathi?
near cosmos
they'll just stop reporting patch numbers as they aren't relevant for judging the state of the game @hollow dock
rich apex
When the Horde wins, they unlock world quests and rare spawns
Alliance unlocks the war effort turn ins
dense plover
^
zealous basalt
Is it like
rich apex
It's like Wintergrasp
hollow dock
The warfront wins dont actually change the overarching story
terse patrol
where will the Alliance be, if Stromgarde is taken
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
Warfronts everywhere
rich apex
Stromgarde gets sacked
dense plover
you teleport right outside of stromgarde
terse patrol
Refuge Pointe is crap in comparison to Hammerfall
dense plover
if you are horde you teleport right outside the horde area
rich apex
But
zealous basalt
Warfront Westfall
rich apex
The world bosses only spawn for the faction controlling it
zealous basalt
Wait so the world bosses are different?
terse patrol
they got that when the Alliance control the area too though
dense plover
but not the rare elites
rich apex
An opposite faction world boss spawns
terse patrol
meh
rich apex
For the controlling faction to fight
hollow dock
so even if the horde has it
dense plover
theres also supposed to be world quests eventually
rich apex
I guess
dense plover
i dont think so
rich apex
Some of those elites will be factioned too
dense plover
i thought the elites were different based on who was in control
hollow dock
we dont have anything to do there
terse patrol
What I’m asking is, is the Alliance base Refuge Pointe when we lose Stromgarde Keep?
rich apex
Yes
dense plover
again, pretty sure there will be world quests
terse patrol
fuck
dense plover
but if there arent
rich apex
Hold that thought
dense plover
you arent supposed to be there
terse patrol
Refuge Pointe is gross.
rich apex
zealous basalt
Wait
dense plover
like the whole point is that you dont control it
zealous basalt
So where do we go if we arent controlling it?
And how do we take the control back?
terse patrol
Horde get cool walled settlement
dense plover
i guess the first time teleport was an exception not the rule
rich apex
You take control by completeing the war effort
terse patrol
Alliance get a hole with some tents
rich apex
So you can do the warfront
dense plover
you take control back by donating at your warfront area in boralus or zuldazar
rich apex
h o r d e b i a s
zealous basalt
Ahh
terse patrol
I do want to see though what they do with the Barrens Warfront.
dense plover
so i guess you get world bosses and the warfront at the same time
zealous basalt
Westfall warfront ploz
dense plover
and the other faction is pushed out
zealous basalt
Are the cloaks fixed yet?
dense plover
im interested in barrens warfront just for the scale
rich apex
What Peach said, yes
zealous basalt
Over shoulder cloaks with warfront armors
terse patrol
I get a sinking feeling that Ratchet is becoming a Horde town.
dense plover
those arent implemented
you cant even get warfront armor right now
ratchet isnt relevant honk
zealous basalt
Ehh
dense plover
barrens warfront is dustwallow and north barrens
dense plover
between taurajo and theramore
terse patrol
My guess is, Alliance are fighting to take the Crossroads. The Horde base when the Crossroads has fallen will probably be Ratchet because apparently it doesn’t matter if Gazlowe is with Steamwheedle anymore.
terse patrol
Did they say that?
dense plover
alliance wants to gain a foothold on kalimdor
its whats in the datafiles
gimme a sec
ill link you
no real work has been done other than copying a map
zealous basalt
Theramore rebuild?
terse patrol
I’d want the Alliance to get Booty Bay
near cosmos
NEVER FORGET THERAMORE
zealous basalt
I mean
terse patrol
Likely Northwatch Hold or something.
hollow dock
It'd make a lot more sense for Northwatch to be rebuilt
dense plover
southern barrens
zealous basalt
Land dalaran there
dense plover
and its not taurajo
hollow dock
Dalaran is neutral again
near cosmos
horde are war criminals, dismantle the horde, jaina was right
dense plover
its that base camp from horde quests there
zealous basalt
So is it still in the air?
hollow dock
Kirin Tor isn't alliance aligned.
dense plover
dalaran is neutral
hollow dock
not since Jaina left
dense plover
its not an alliance city
zealous basalt
I kinda want to see it on its place near Lordamere
terse patrol
uhm
hollow dock
was just sayin that peach :p
dense plover
wwont ever be again, not as long as khadgar is in charge
terse patrol
This is just an unaltered Cataclysm map with a flooded Mulgore.
hollow dock
probably a 8.1 thing
dense plover
and mulgore is flooded because of it being a copied map
zealous basalt
Probs just a reference
dense plover
^
hollow dock
or 8,0.5
dense plover
100% just what to work off of
no work has been done
this is what the arathi map was before work started
terse patrol
my guess is
dense plover
what it looks like though is that dustwallow and south barrens will be redone
terse patrol
Northwatch will be the Alliance “war” base we have to rebuild if the Horde control the area.
dense plover
thats not how warfronts work
rich apex
I mean
dense plover
like honk
terse patrol
And we’ll have Bael Modan as our existing base
rich apex
That's a -lot- bigger than Arathi
dense plover
they dont work like that
rich apex
If it actually is everything that map includes
terse patrol
Uh
dense plover
you rebuild the same base camp
every time
it doesnt get destroyed when the other faction is in c harge
its just slightly damaged and abandoned
terse patrol
whatever
dense plover
horde doesnt rebuild a different point in arathi when alliance is in charge
they dont even go there
they contribute resources
and then stromgarde becomes abandoned
and horde is in charge
and some of the buildings at the in between areas switch to horde stuff
terse patrol
But right now, the two towns in Arathi are Refuge Pointe and Hammerfall.
My guess is
The equivalents will be Bael Modan and. . . idk
dense plover
taurajo
dense plover
the thing here is that alliance is trying to gain a foothold and break through the wall at mulgore
while horde is trying to push the alliance out completely
terse patrol
I hope Bael Modan isnt destroyed
Because in that Cata quest, some Tauren has you blow it up
terse patrol
They could also go Night Elf heavy
dense plover
i ccant wait to see dustwallow with nazmir like swamp stuff tho
they wont
night elf arent anywhere near there
terse patrol
if only
dense plover
ashenvale is far away
terse patrol
so what
dense plover
so the night elves no longer have teldrassil
terse patrol
Taking the Barrens would be needed to secure Ashenvale.
dense plover
like, their main forces are now quartered in stormwind
terse patrol
Sailing to Dustwallow with the Alliance?
dense plover
ashenvale had most of the night elves killed
or pushed back
i just dont see them going all nightelf
terse patrol
We already have one human heavy Warfront.
hollow dock
Do you not hear my bitching about how illogically the horde pushed out the engrained night elves from their home Honk? I keep making it a point every time
dense plover
theramore is stone and human architecture
terse patrol
I want Night Elf revenge.
hollow dock
Theramore is a crater atm so Im not sure how that got rebuilt?
terse patrol
^
zealous basalt
I would love a bae too
terse patrol
If anything, I hope the Night Elves turn the swamps into an enclosed, easily defendable area to base their operations out of.
hollow dock
the ports a giant hole though. You'd need a big operation to make the rest of the swamp buildable
terse patrol
I want it either to be a Dark Iron or Night Elf warfront for the Alliance side. Preferably Night Elf.
dense plover
dense plover
it could absolutely be night elvves or something
hollow dock
Theramore is a giant crater of unstable magic
zealous basalt
Probs they are going to pull some crazy stuff to rebuild it
dense plover
we will probably know once they start putting content for patches on ptr
zealous basalt
Not as its prime but as something small
hollow dock
with what they're pulling so far it's probably not even going to sound crazy by comparison
soemthing like
'Jaina cleansed it. Have fun'
terse patrol
I want the Night Elves to show off their crazy druid magic.
zealous basalt
That crazy druid magic
hollow dock
why would they do it now and not during the invasion? =|
zealous basalt
Was almost annihilated by one woman
zealous basalt
Do I look like a lore writer?
hollow dock
the forsaken just steamrolled.
zealous basalt
Heck I dont even know what the heck blizzard wants to do with the game
hollow dock
Because clearly nature just leaves the night elves high and dry
terse patrol
The Ancients abandoned them because (story).
“We need to make things really dramatic for this expansion.”
“Ok, how will they beat these guys who beat the Legion like, twice now.”
dense plover
20 druids cant sstop 1000 forsaken
terse patrol
“idk reasons???”
terse patrol
hokay
hollow dock
OK
the druids
dont need to do anything
but tell the forest
to wake the fuck up
dense plover
night elves in ashenvale when this happens are outnumbered like 100 tto 1
dense plover
but you called away most of your druids to silithus
dense plover
theres only a few left
hollow dock
uh
dense plover
its why the almost won in legion
hollow dock
well of eternity?
dense plover
because they finally did
zealous basalt
You are forgetting that the elves didnt fight alone
hollow dock
hello?
dense plover
they almost won then too
hollow dock
the well itself was a portal.
dense plover
only because portal was closed
hollow dock
by your logic they should have just flat won cuz numbers
dense plover
yeah, thats called closing the portal
hollow dock
In a world where 1 spell can kill a thousand, numbers dont actually mean anything
dense plover
they cant stop the flood of forces from the horde tho
dense plover
counterspell?
dense plover
blight?
hollow dock
most druids are up and awake
dense plover
like we havent seen the horde side of ashenvvale
hollow dock
they have been since cata
zealous basalt
Cenarius was killed by orcs once?
hollow dock
Fel roided orcs
dense plover
^
dense plover
and thats different from a bigger army?
terse patrol
I mean, let’s totally forget about Ursol, Aessina, Ursoc, Malorne, Goldrinn, Aviana.
Cenarius.
dense plover
most of those are wild gods
hollow dock
Literally ALL THE WILD GODS ARE ALIVE
dense plover
they arent going to side with a faction
zealous basalt
And the horse might use blight?
terse patrol
And what do Wild Gods do?
hollow dock
and none of them come to the aid of the night elves
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ALLIES OF THE NIGHT ELVES
dense plover
because wild gods have generally been neutral
hollow dock
UH
dense plover
they are allies of nature
dense plover
yeah
hollow dock
Wild Gods fight the Horde
dense plover
just cenarius
ursoc doesnt fight the hode
only cenarius
one wild god
not all of them
meager warren
Idk about lore but in pvp, my money's on the 1k forsaken over the 20 druids
hollow dock
OK so let's say its just Cenarius
zealous basalt
Even if they arent really alliance
dense plover
okay
hollow dock
Why isn't he there
terse patrol
Alextrasza?
dense plover
because hes dealing with the shit from the nightmare?
dense plover
he literally says after the raid that hes going to go clean it up
its not just gone like magic
hollow dock
that's roughly a year ago
dense plover
its like less than a year
sullen dagger
he's a tidy guy, respect
dense plover
the whole expac is a year
for all we know, cenarius is still cleansing the nightmare
zealous basalt
Alexstrasza is busy with her kin
hollow dock
so yes its' a year
dense plover
i dont think its been all cleaned up yet
dense plover
not to mention, with the death of ysera, cenarius' job is a lot harder
he might have gotten most of it cleaned
but it has to be removed 100%
or it will come back
dense plover
i thought we sealed the rift
zealous basalt
Or probably doesnt care, or they forget to call him
The rift is open deep in a lil cave
dense plover
also, doesnt it take time to summon cenarius?
zealous basalt
Ye
dense plover
i mean
dense plover
in hyjal, it takes time
near cosmos
isnt Knaifu lying to us though?
dense plover
i mean, she could be
hollow dock
When you approach the flower in the emerald dreams center
zealous basalt
Any spriest here?
hollow dock
she tells you that it's just a small little spec
terse patrol
Xal’atath doesn’t lie, she just tells you what she wants you to know.
dense plover
look, im not going to argue blizzard logic
maybe the short stories will help
maybe they wont
hollow dock
Doubtful.
terse patrol
She withholds knowledge
dense plover
its a video game
zealous basalt
Or the prepatch missions
dense plover
sometimes you just have to accept stuff
hollow dock
a video game Im greatly passionate about and never getting over that they have to neuter my favorite race and characters
just so the other side gets a win
dense plover
we dont know what the horde faces since we havent seen their side of the teldrassil story
terse patrol
i’ll never accept kael’thas’ treatment so
sullen dagger
high elves?
terse patrol
“we havent seen their side”
sullen dagger
also, bring spellblades back
dense plover
we literally dont know what the horde story is outside of an outline
terse patrol
their side is in game
hollow dock
it isn't.
terse patrol
^
terse patrol
Also.
hollow dock
Again numbers dont matter.
zealous basalt
So we can say
terse patrol
The Alliance barely wins at Lordaeron.
dense plover
night elf druids arent any stronger than horde druids
zealous basalt
Horde struck first?
hollow dock
druids are not utilized by the primarily FORSAKEN forces that are invading
dense plover
uh
hollow dock
Horde abandoned us at the shore
zealous basalt
I thought you were Horde pro, vris
terse patrol
Also
hollow dock
And sylvanas made sure to never open dialogue
dense plover
seriously, this entire war couldve been solved with dialogue
terse patrol
Guys
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Lets be 100% real
dense plover
genn attacking her unprovoked didnt help
hollow dock
I just hate the horde more
sullen dagger
vris pro-horde?
near cosmos
horde are war criminals
dismantle the horde
dense plover
they read a dialogue
hollow dock
reach him
zealous basalt
I mean...
hollow dock
before we go to Stormhiem
dense plover
but horde didnt attack alliance
zealous basalt
Genn has a lot of reasons to attack Sylv
dense plover
yes they were doing something alliance didnt like
but they didnt attack them
alliance attacked first
hollow dock
and Sylv did invade Gilneas and drive them into the alliance
zealous basalt
They were mining the blood of Azeroth
terse patrol
The Alliance and Horde should have been fighting intermingled. Like they did at Silithus under Saurfangs command. Yet somehow, we are all perfectly split. Convenient, so the whole “grrrr we got abandoned” thing to happen.
hollow dock
if you really REALLY want to go on who did what first
terse patrol
Its annoying af
terse patrol
How hard would it have been for one of those Dark Rangers to jump down and be like
zealous basalt
"World of fucking warcraft"
hollow dock
Dont you dare use that excuse
terse patrol
“hey, we’re retreating, you should go too”
hollow dock
That's a bullshit excuse
this games had plenty of war without the faction conflict
it's had it for the first what
8 years of its life?
zealous basalt
In where?
terse patrol
Instead, the Horde ditched the Alliance there.
hollow dock
all three expansions did not have direct horde-alliance war. it was a ceasefire between the two sides. There's resentment but no ones actually doing anything to the other in full war.
terse patrol
How hard would it have been for one of those Val’kyr who appeared to tell Varian about the retreat?
hollow dock
and those were again the most popular years of WoW.
near cosmos
didn't the intro cinematic for vanilla have horde and alliance fighting
zealous basalt
^
near cosmos
Im reasonably certain there was a tauren vs a dwarf
terse patrol
It was a cold war at the time
hollow dock
The cinematic had it, but in the actual game
there's hardly any interaction between the two sides
zealous basalt
And what about the battlegrounds that launched in those moments?
near cosmos
Im gonna put that down to lack of skills in game design tbh
they clearly wanted there to be war
hollow dock
Lorewise the battlegrounds represent skirmishes the sides had
but nothing ever comes of them. Bar scuffles essentailly
as again from Vanilla to WotLK there's no open war either side had. The faction 'war' didn't exist. The most we ever got was Wintergrasp and even then it was just for the Vault.
not because we were at war
sharp bluff
Murderhobos satisfying their bloodlust, but not sanctioned by their leaders 😆
terse patrol
Ion Hazzikostas has always been pro-war in WoW.
hollow dock
basically.
Which is stupid because
WoW has plenty of war
and conflict
without the factions
hollow dock
literally everyone?
terse patrol
Nah.
hollow dock
I've yet to meet someone who wanted that to actually happen
sullen dagger
thrall x jaina is kinda stupid
terse patrol
It’s clearly what Metzen wanted.
zealous basalt
Metzen was director?
sullen dagger
specially taking account jaina's background
terse patrol
Thrall x Jaina is way better than her getting dicked down by a dragon who’s dating her because she looks kinda like a sentient source of Arcane he liked.
zealous basalt
Fucking Kalex
He had a cutie
But decided to get in love with magic
Blizz needs to work in shipping better tbh
terse patrol
You anti-Jaina/Thrall people would rather have Dragon Dicking and Aggra over a potentially well built romance plotline.
near cosmos
hey what can I say, we love a bit of Bad Dragon...
terse patrol
They break up AGAIN in the book. @hollow dock
hollow dock
After Jaina kisses him?
terse patrol
in Before the Storm
hollow dock
yea that's when they get back together
terse patrol
According to someone who got it early on reddit l, yeah
They apparently break up again
lmao
hollow dock
Where was that said?
I looked over that reddit thread and even read the passage. I dont see anywhere where they break up
hollow dock
terse patrol
You have to open the comments @hollow dock
I’m at work so i dont feel like digging through it
I’ll always be Jaina x Thrall. It’s better than everything they’ve done with those two as is.
hollow dock
Oh ok there it is
Like
where is there romance hto
Cuz it's pretty damn forced. they're friends. They are friendly to each other.
there's no progression of it past that
terse patrol
It didnt get pursued because it made faction politics too “confusing” I guess
hollow dock
it never got persue'd because its two adults, a male and female, being friends.
????????
zealous basalt
Honestly tho
jade basalt
We knew Jaina & Kalec were no longer together before Before the Storm
hollow dock
Well its official in BTS Quiet.
jade basalt
It was official before as well
zealous basalt
I never saw her saying "go duck urself"
hollow dock
She never had
but at theramore
she blames Thrall
cuz he put Garrosh in place
even though everyone
including Garrosh
didn't think it was a good idea
terse patrol
@hollow dock aka, “our masters at Blizzard want you to be Warchief, Garrosh...”
zealous basalt
Garrosh did regret it?
zealous basalt
Actually garrosh was a good warchief
hollow dock
"uhhhhhhhhhhhh."
"This isnt' a good idea. put someone more experienced."
thralls like
"nah you're good."
and then he proceeds to lead the horde throught he Twilight's Hammer war
and then commit various war crimes and almost destroy the horde
I agree with ya Mak. he was a good Warchief.
Until theramore.
zealous basalt
And in pandaria hell was unleashed
But hey
Arent we forgetting
Blackhand?
He literally send the horde to kill anything and rape everyone they found
hollow dock
At theramore he stops being a good warchief so from there onwards.
zealous basalt
And they loved it
zealous basalt
And up to this day
hollow dock
like if they didn't invade, they'd have killed themselves.
zealous basalt
Both blackhand and doomhammer are considered the best warchiefs
hollow dock
I've not seen anyone who thinks blackhands a good one
but
People consider Doomhammer one of the best because of him freeing the horde from the Shadow Council's grip (even though they still existed and controlled the horde as a shadow organization)
and since he did manage to get a lot of land for the horde
terse patrol
Doomhammer was hated by the Orcs after they failed in the Second War, and he only was redeemed when he helped Thrall free the Orcs.
meager warren
How about the "True Horde" lead by Blackhand's kids
sullen dagger
ebonhorn + saurfang + liadrin or whatever is the king of bleves
meager warren
I'm 51% sure the belves don't have a king
hollow dock
that's Dark Horde, Arson
meager warren
Ok
meager warren
Woot i was right
terse patrol
tbh
sullen dagger
well ruler or representant
terse patrol
I think when sylvanas steps down, a council will be made
hollow dock
belves have their own council
meager warren
At the rate things are going, sylv is never stepping down. Probs the only way she's gonna lose the throne is if someone finally kills her
sullen dagger
and they aint doping that
terse patrol
Nah, she’ll probably realize she’s been CORRUPTED, and she’ll step down and devote to being AN HERO to make up for her crimes.
Like Kerrigan.
And she’s save the world because Kerrigan.
She’ll*
hollow dock
Please no second kerrigan
dense plover
but sylvanas isnt going to be kerrigan
hollow dock
Kerrigan got ruined because of it
dense plover
she will always be evil
untold fractal
I think people give Sylvanus way to much credit. She isnt noble or self sacrificing.
dense plover
and when she steps down, she will probably go back to being leader of the forsaken
while saurfang is in charge
terse patrol
i want her to be made living again, for memes
terse patrol
as if she could get better
meager warren
I want her to die by the PC's or Saurfang's hand
terse patrol
I suspect Sylvanas is going to A S C E N D and become the L I C H Q U E E N
but for some reason
SHES THE ONLY LICH QUEEN WHO DOESNT BECOME CORRUPT
*mary sue
dense plover
i think the writing is better in BfA. The main issue is there is limited consistency with previous writing, and I think this mostly stems from the fact that taking several iterations of old characters because of old writing and changing them is easier than trying to get the whole mess of story to make sense
terse patrol
Kinda like how the Light/Naaru hating Mag’har are joining the Horde, who have Light/Naaru following elves who gain power from a holy fountain that makes their eyes yellow like Lightforged?
dense plover
i think what we have to do at this point is accept that some of the characters are probably going to act a bit differently in bfa, but will probably remain consistent with their characterizations in it as long as golden is in charge of writing
yellow eyes =/= lightforged
its not even close
dense plover
thats like saying a hamburger is like a hotdog
both meat in buns
who could possibly tell the difference 🙄
terse patrol
The Mag’har should have little reason to trust/like the Blood Elves.
dense plover
yeah except 30 years ago when they helped stop guldan
terse patrol
like 30 years ago when the draenei helped stop guldan
dense plover
regular draenei sure
lightforged didnt exist on the alliance then
they arent the same draenei
terse patrol
They want to kill all regular Draenei now.
dense plover
they want to kill the alliance
because they are working with their sworn enemy
its how war works
terse patrol
Geyarah literally says she wants to destroy the Alliance for daring work with Draenei.
dense plover
if you hate one part of the enemies alliances, you dont ust target them
like, think war logic for just 1 sec
wild pewter
Geyarah has probably never met a blood elf tbh