i enjoy walking around the temple
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
lone fern
did they heavily prune heroic azerite traits?
literally all my 8 items have the same tier2 traits
dense plover
no
they changed the levels required
and it changed old gear to the default traits
dense plover
its beta
lone fern
curious then, do traits stack?
waxen obsidian
yes
lone fern
oh at least thats something then, 3x 3.8k shield every 15s, basically prydaz again
waxen obsidian
or ice lance reduce cd x3 and youve got orbs every 20 seconds kappa
lone fern
necklace itemlevel was increased too
lone fern
am i just blind or is that border new?
waxen obsidian
new
dense plover
right?
i just noticed too
glad im not crazy
also what level is your necklace to get to that ilvl?
lone fern
15
lone fern
yup
uncut vault
all the azerite stuff has new little borders, its very nice
makes the azerite items distinct
uncut vault
shes the lady we quest with through the prepatch stuff
in the Elegy short story
and who is basically confirmed to be in the teldrassil burning art
molten gyro
that's so sad
rich apex
But why would a random ass NPC get a prominent spot in the art ๐ค
zealous basalt
She isn't random ass then
uncut vault
I mean if she gets an entire short story from her PoV
and is our main NPC for the prepatch
not that random
blissful jungle
retrieving realm list takes forever with all these people playing the beta
waxen obsidian
yeah high ms on sylvanas ๐
ou fury warrior has a new talent skill and Anger Management back
Siegebreaker, 30 sec cd, deals some dps and increases damage done on a targety by 15% for 10 secs and generates 15 rage
dense plover
oh
waxen obsidian
people getting hyped about things like that ex. havoc having Dark Slash but its just a damage window everyone hated on rets and arms during legion...
dense plover
good new everyone!
"Currently, in Beta, the same also happens with the Fishing artifact, Underlight Angler, but that is likely unintentional, as its traits are still functional, despite it having a disabled screen." - in reference to artifact traits being turned off
lone fern
neat texture
lone fern
y
dense plover
i noticed they added a new thing there
theyre tweaking a bunch of stuff with that dungeon still
sacred dust
I'm actually bummed blizzard didn't just fix the phoenix to match its spectral blue icon it had. It looks like it would have matched the TB horse and all the spectral themed mounts/pets whatever. ๐ (This is a screenie from a build or two ago)
dense plover
i dont think theyre satisfied with it
yeah, but that mount was just a slight tint of a guild mount
sacred dust
Icon, key word icon.
lone fern
boss keeps disappearing during air mode too
sacred dust
I think it would have changed it enough if they matched that icon it had.
dense plover
pretty sure that was just a placeholder icon
most mounts had those when they added them
sacred dust
Because the icon was legit actual spectral.
lone fern
that spectral phoenix descr sounds like a pokemon
sacred dust
Woulda been pretty! But now its the blue courser mount as the reward.
dense plover
but i think they plan to make a new spectral mount in the future
lone fern
literally, pokedex entry
sacred dust
A lot of the mount/pets have blurbs like that. XD
lone fern
gotta taunt the adds during his air phase at the start ,else he despawns
thye also tweaked ap numbers per level
need only 7.5k from 16 to 17 now
was like 20x before
zealous basalt
oof
lone fern
necklace still gets +2 itemlevel +2 each stat per level
zealous basalt
holy fuck
lone fern
okay
zealous basalt
whats dad
lone fern
now thats interesting
zealous basalt
the camera?
lone fern
and you can buy 750 ap for 100g
giving honorbound rep 500 btw
100 war resources = 750 ap too
same reputation wtf
tropic trail
are there leggos in BFA?
lone fern
the necklace guaranteed, no drops like in legion, no rares as before but they arent entirely ruled out
100 war resources = 750 ap is repeatable
tropic trail
Are class hall mounts one of the things being removed in BFA or are they here to stay?
Same with titles
and by removed I mean no longer obtainable
tropic trail
Oh okay so that means no more of those artifact appearances
How about hidden artifact appearances?
waxen obsidian
stays
only the first mage tower appearance
if you do that you can later unlock the rest in bfa
lone fern
as a tank around 4-5k single target
zealous basalt
Ah.
zealous basalt
Oooof
waxen obsidian
wut can you tmog havoc into vengeance ?
waxen obsidian
oh im retarded the middle left tier looked like havoc
lone fern
nvm some world quests reward "280+" when others are fixed at 325
or even 330, wtf
dungeon quests reward 340 mythic gear
grizzled sleet
weapon from honnor level up ?
dense plover
i mean
youre level one
you shouldnt expect the best gear yet
lol
That's a Moray is a fine-dining place, covered with lots of interesting portraits!
such a great name
lone fern
ye was mistaken by the Level 1 > 5 icon on the right hidden behind the tooltip
guess my rank from live wasnt really worth anything
dense plover
new season and i imagine right now they arent calculating total honor
since that would require having all your characters
lone fern
i guess
my ranks not high anyways, did only something in s1 of legion
new ap ranks feel a lot more like old 52 trait progress
dense plover
which is good
the curve was too steep
especially since i dont think it has a cap like the artifact
lone fern
yes, previous curve was pointless, everyone was abusing the broken ap node because else you couldnt reach it
dense plover
and the amount you need will actually continually increase throughout the expac
since gear will need higher and higher level neck
jade basalt
urban dew
Morally grey?
uncut vault
here's hoping the content release next week is the teldrassil short
dense plover
where is that from @jade basalt
jade basalt
The files, it's a short video that starts with the bodies on the ground and then looks up to Sylvia and the tree
dense plover
hmmm
so its either a cutscene or a placeholder
sometimes they make short cutscenes for the cinematic team to use
like the guldan one with the crystal
although they put that one in game and used the other as a teaser
unrelated, but azerite pvp traits are interesting
they seem like they are regular traits that have bonuses for pvp
so they will still be useful in pve
dense plover
These are both cool
"NEW Collective Will Your abilities have a chance to drop a Horde Banner for 6 sec, increasing primary stat by 77 and maximum health by 462 for yourself and up to 4 allies.
NEW Combined Might Your abilities have a chance to plant a factional banner for 6 sec, empowering yourself and up to 4 allies with the spirit of the Horde."
"NEW Sylvanas' Resolve Your abilities have a chance to increase your primary stat by 85 for 10 sec. If an ally dies nearby, you gain this effect."
i love all of these
i think im growing to like azerite traits
not as exciting as the artifact gold traits
but more interesting than the 1% dmg traits
especially since some of them are really good
theres a brewmaster one that increases dmg of breath of fire a bit and gives it a chance to drop a health globe, increasing based on the number of enemies hit
grizzled sleet
dense plover
i like the direction they are going
with both light and void being bad when existing as an all powerful force
sharp bluff
I like it also
dense plover
also, i think maghar hub is not gorgrond, but the dark portal
rich apex
void tells alleria to murder her husband
dense plover
the dark portal has a little home icon now
rich apex
the void is just misunderstood guys
dense plover
and also, the portal is closed forever, so i dont think gorgrond can be the hub
sharp bluff
Very nice take on light is not good or evil, but a force that corrupts
dense plover
since they dont go back
more cutscenes and stuff
btw, have i ever mentioned how good ashvane's model is?
the artist in the comic nailed it
dense plover
the cutscenes being fully voiced makes them a lot less awkward
im okay with not having tons of fully animated cutscenes
i just want one per zone like in warlords
rich apex
Wow it's almost like the in game cutscenes would improve with polish
Who woulda thought
dense plover
i mean
a lot of them are still visually the same
its just the addition of audio makes it feel more polished
rich apex
Sure looks better than the first of the in game cutscenes that showed up in beta
Because it's almost like beta is a work in progress
dense plover
some of them are still a bit awkward tbh
rich apex
People whined nonetheless
dense plover
ofc they did
people whine about everything
its beta
shits broken
barbershop exclusive hairstyles are now in the character creator guys!
terse patrol
The Magโhar seem to be just as savage. It is good the Lightbound were civilized by the Naaru...
dense plover
btw, seems like artifact druid forms are tied to the artifact itself
so you transmog to that artifact
and it transmogs your druid form
rich apex
'the alliance is allied with draenei'
uncut vault
oh thank god, having my guys hair be only in the barber shop was annoying for making alts
dense plover
you can test it using the collection screen while being in your druid form
terse patrol
โlets do cannibalismโ
rich apex
Are we sure it's really Yrel's fault with that whole thing
dense plover
chaging the weapon changes the form
just because theyre savages doesnt mean theyre wrong
did you ever watch pocahantes?
theres literally a song for that
both sides see the other side as the bad guy
rich apex
I'm shitposting, mostly ๐
terse patrol
โThe draenei got corrupted. So lets blame their entire species to justify future genocides.โ
dense plover
and tbh, in this case
rich apex
Yrel is probably-definitely wrong
rich apex
Cycle of hatred, baby
dense plover
thats practically slavery
rich apex
It is Super Bad, yes
terse patrol
maghar try genociding them once, fail
get mad when draenei say โthats not happening againโ
swear genocide again
#goodguys
zealous basalt
....Guys
We talked about it
Yrel might just don't want that to happen
but there is nothing she could do
There wasn't a velen there to give her advice about how dark are the naaru.
terse patrol
^
rich apex
Presumably at some point Yrel remembered that her sister was murdered
And Velen was indeed not there
Velen's virtue should not be taken as the default state
Forgiving that shit ain't easy
uncut vault
it doesnt help that velens last words to her were basically "light > all"
rich apex
Presumably the draenei aren't aware of the inevitable naaru civil war
dense plover
oooo
hey guys
looks like ap progression in legion is just gone in BfA
world quest items are greys that sell for gold
terse patrol
Sooooo
dense plover
and the auto complete world quest items dont work
im assuming you hit 110 and so does your artifact
or it starts off full or something
idk
maybe the change happens after your drain the sword
and since all copied characters have done that technically
terse patrol
How will the maghar react to the blood elves following the naaru:light
polar geode
lul
hollow dock
they didn't kill M'uru tho
uncut vault
shh the orcs dont know that
dense plover
uthers tomb is back to normal ๐ญ
warfront open world stuff is starting to be functional tho
rich apex
Arathi update is up in the open world? ๐ฎ
uncut vault
questline for it too
seems open world stuff opens up when the warfronts do
which arent at launch, based on the war campaign text
rich apex
Warfront might not open till 120
uncut vault
well we know that already
but the quests that lead you to them dont seem to be a day one thing
terse patrol
Lor'themar whistles and hides the Sunwell behind a curtain when the Mag'har visit.
dense plover
so this is interesting
terse patrol
Hides his Scryers
dense plover
there are turn ins for azerite and rep related to the warfront stuff in both boralus and zuldazar
they are repeatable
for example, 60 monelite ore
or 100 war resources
750 azerite
or 100 gold
rich apex
That's probably what they were saying about the preparation that unlocks the warfront for your faction
dense plover
yes
but its also a good way to get azerite
and a reason to keep doing professions
uncut vault
Silences are new, right?
dense plover
?
what?
does anyone know where the portal trainer in zuldazar is?
found her
right by the warfront stuff
she teleports you to arathi
alliance is currently in charge
horde area is filled with badies
lots of world bosses
flight is enabled
dense plover
good
rich apex
I'm super iffy on that design coming back
but
at least there are male elf strippers now
so
sudden oak
same
hollow dock
for the first time in WoW's lifetime a slutmog is the same
on either sex
I'm very proud of the art team for finally doing this
terse patrol
if only male nelf models werent awful
rich apex
Where's the Arathi portal in Zuldazar?
zinc sandal
12/10 to Blizzard for equal sluttery
Why do their eyes look reddish, though?
Have you noticed?
uncut vault
modelviewer doesnt give the nelfs their eye glow sometimes
zinc sandal
Ah
dense plover
arathi port is the portal trainer lady near the warfront table
there is a quest called touring the front once you get there
take a screenshot
the quest isnt tracking
dense plover
120 only
sorry
so you make a donation, go to the warfront area, get a tour, talk to 2 npcs and then go back to zuldazar and turn in for the warfront to be unlocked
rich apex
Coolio
dense plover
testing is currently not going on tho
so you unlock
and then you cant teleport back
because its being controlled by the alliance
i think the plan is for you to get there using a zepplinn in org or something
when you talk to garona theres a stay and listen option
nathanos comes down and they have that datamined conversation
she essentially syas the horde is my home and maybe its time i kill another king
frozen dust
Do it
dense plover
theres another with nathanos
where garona comes up
and he talks about how he hunts humans because they hunted forsaken
again
datamined dialogue
but its ingame now
war campaign sailing screens work now
it takes you to the world map and the line drawn makes sense
world quest emmisary rewards changed again
no longer 600 azerite guranteed
i have 2
one is 500 azerite in addition to an azerite item
and the other is 700 gold in addition to an azerite item
New quest at the drustvar horde outpost
gives a permanent buff
for anytime you are in the zone
nova turret
What are people seeing as avg time from 110-120? 10hrs?
dense plover
15
nova turret
And did you feel like you only did like half the quests available to you?
Left each zone with like 4-5 hubs untouched
uncut vault
yeah im gonna do all the main stories first
nova turret
Ya i feel like with character copy and a 2nd run it can be done super fast
dense plover
what do you know? it is on the map!
i didnt even notice
cool
48% until horde can do warfront
if they work
viscid bobcat
is the alliance main story bugged for anyone else? I established all the war fronts then did a few more and now I have a quest to get my heart of azeroth. lol
dense plover
if this isnt a new character, yes
theres a problem with when they add stuff to the war campaign
it breaks stuff
they finally fixed the holes in the sanctuary of the devoted!
tulip sun
Those pretty guard outfit updates o.o
dense plover
so i just discovered something
the azerite reforging cost isnt item based, its character based
so everytime you use it the cost goes up
even if the item you are using it on hasnt been reforhed
so dont reforge early on
or later times when you need to will get expensive
and it increases fast
5 -> 10 -> 10 -> 40
nova hamlet
Thats great. Out Like Flynn the boat ended up continueing out into the great sea until I got into fatigue and died. lol
dense plover
so reforging costs are as follows: 5 , 5, 10, 10, 40, 80, 160 doubling ad infinitum
im assuming it probably has a cap
but its probably pretty expensive
im also assuming most people will probably not reforge unless they misclick or something goes wwrong
this will not be something you do to optimize for a boss
it will be unaffordable
uncut jetty
^That's the idea - don't want to make the mistake too many times otherwise it ends up being abused. I like how Blizzard does that with those kinds of things
uncut jetty
Have you figured out if it does have a cap?
nova hamlet
I don't get why they just put a limit to how many times you can reforge an item maybe with a 1/d CD or something
dense plover
no theres no limit that way
we are saying a cost limit
like a cap on how expensive it can get
nova hamlet
Yeah guess they can, I mean all it does it drain the hardcore raiders and makes it harder for others who don't gather wealth to be as optimal though
dense plover
thats the point
uncut jetty
^^
dense plover
you arent supposed to be flipping traits around willy nilly
generally, once you pick it, it sticks
nova hamlet
Yeah, but the hardcore are going to be doing it to be optimal
dense plover
yes
which is why the cost wont matter for them
but it will matter for others
theres nothing you can do to stop the hardcore people
but most people wont do that
uncut jetty
nova hamlet
Yeah thats what I mean, your creating another way of artificially increasing the gap between players.
dense plover
its not a gap tho
its not like certain traits are better than others
and you could always just get another piece of gear with the same trait
and switch between the two
traits barely matter
its like saying concordance caused issues that seperated the player base
it didnt
uncut jetty
There's only 4-6 to choose from depending on what you got. If you can't make your mind up after reforging once, there's a problem.
dense plover
^
so i got up to 5160
its now too expensive
reforging more than ten times is when it starts to cost a lot
uncut jetty
As it should
dense plover
again, this is pretty much what was said
you can take your gear and pick a different trait if you feel like the one you picked sucked
but its going to get expensive pretty fast
and its not like it rerolls the traits on the gear
it just lets you pick again
uncut vault
those cinematics are nice
I like that the tiragarde on is in game
they did it really well
nova hamlet
My favorite one is when Thrall takes down deathwing ๐
Boat quest bugged again... well guess I can't progress further on alliance side
tulip sun
Interesting
Mag'har start just entering Orgrimmar
I guess that means no instanced home for them
That makes 2 horde ARs without it e.e
dense plover
2?
what?
what are you talking about?
its the only one
both highmountain and nightborne get their own little home
uncut vault
neither of those are instanced
tulip sun
Highmountain dont
They spawn literally in regular highmountain. On pvp servers alliance can attack you.
uncut vault
any non-nightborne that has done suramar can go to the nighthold, anyone can go to thunder totem
dense plover
but that pvp thing wont matter in bfa
uncut vault
theyre great RP areas
dense plover
^
tulip sun
It is still nice to see an area where npcs comment on current affairs at least
Hughmountain sucks
uncut vault
they should do all of em like the nightborne one
dense plover
there are bloodtotem being healed and stuff
uncut vault
anyone on your faction can go to it
tulip sun
Mrpeach, not the same
dense plover
i mean, it kind of is the same tho
tulip sun
No, not really.
dense plover
the npcs there are representative of post-legion
tulip sun
There were the same updates in suramar
With monks
I mean Mayla and others commenting on stuff, joining the horde, etc.
uncut vault
I think the difference is that the starter area for the HM/NB seems to be a short while after they join
tulip sun
Like one nightborne says something about being called to war likely soon
uncut vault
maghar one is literally like, right after they exit the portal
tulip sun
Still wish highmountain one was different
dense plover
they close the portal behind them to avoid the lightforged following them
i like the highmountain one
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
meager warren
wdym by that, kham
dense plover
yes
neat idol
Cant find, there is any link to see the class changes of last build?
blissful jungle
neat idol
Ty
tropic trail
I want some sexy northern men as a race/allied race
like anyone from game of thrones or thorin
rich apex
The Mountain
tropic trail
Yeah but they're not norsemen
rich apex
Meh, close enough ๐
tropic trail
I just want some sexy northmen
Oh and thanks by the way
I now know what to name my Kul Tiran
Hodor
rich apex
๐
tropic trail
You know what?
Instead of a sexy norse race/allied race.
Maybe some new customization options for dwarves.
Y'know, to make them look like Thorin.
Instead of having all dwarves look like a short Hagrid.
uncut vault
If you mean the one from the movies, that was notoriously criticized for not looking like a dwarf at all
tropic trail
There's a bunch of "critics" online.
uncut vault
which he didnt
tropic trail
Me and all my friends thought of him as a dwarf.
uncut vault
he was a short human
tropic trail
That's a dwarf.
Some people like the pretty races, I dont think it'll hurt to give dwarves some attention.
Though if that is a problem, they could do something like this. Someone made this edit.
I'd take that over nothing.
mint arch
That alone is reason to crush their cities to dust.```-_-
i mean.... i was willing to give this whole AU shit a chance
but nah
its a whole load of forced, nonsensical drama
battle for(ced) azeroth in all ways
uncut vault
I mean of all the things that are forced, orcs not liking draenei is your breaking point?
mint arch
no, i mean in general
the whole AU story
i was just pointing out that line cause of how dumb a reason that is
its like, u orcs do remember u were the iron horde right?
mint arch
also, why are we associating the alliance to draenei the alliance have nothing to do with anymore?
dense plover
The Draenei are radicals
mint arch
oh ya, more draenei, lets kill them too
dense plover
The lightforged from our world are comparable to their lightforged
How do you not get that?
mint arch
except they are not
dense plover
Why not?
mint arch
they are from the army of the light, they fought the legion and helped defeat them
dense plover
Because they arenโt going and forcing others to be lightforged?
mint arch
they have done nothing to force anything
dense plover
They no longer have a legion
mint arch
ur making assumptions
dense plover
Who knows they wonโt follow the same path
But thatโs what people do
Thatโs what the maghar believe
mint arch
ur taking it to be that the definite result of any light involvement is fanaticsm and forcing
dense plover
They saw what happened wi5h the Draenei and the light when there was no legion
That is the definite result
mint arch
lets ignore allllll the previous lore of how the light is NOT fanatical and forcing
and accept the new norm now i guess
dense plover
Except it is becoming the norm
mint arch
blizzard have forced the light to be suddenly "fanatic"
dense plover
Stories change
dense plover
The light and void are two sides of the same coin
Neither is good when in total control
dense plover
Yes
mint arch
doesnt make it good change
dense plover
Thatโs how video games work
mint arch
ignoring the past lore and stories
dense plover
They write the story
still lily
I mean there needs to be conflict in a story, that's an unavoidable truth of writing, but they could've always found a different thing to turn into fanatic radical zealots o3o
mint arch
no, it is
dense plover
The army of light is a unique entity
The naaru have really only been seen on Outland prior to this expac
still lily
The army of light shouldn't be representative of all entities that follow the light and it shouldn't be representative of all lightforged draenei
dense plover
And what we knew of them was their attempts to stave off the death of the draenei
still lily
o3o
dense plover
You say they arenโt radical
What do you call their treatment of the broken?
The Draenei scorned them
Banished them
still lily
the broken are nice boiz ;-;
dense plover
Thatโs what this is about
dense plover
Itโs the Draenei and their influence with the light
still lily
sometimes
dense plover
Thatโs literally the story here
uncut vault
we've also got the lightforged's best healer wanting to 'purify' the horde's soldiers
dense plover
Thatโs why theyโre pissed at the lightforged draneei
They have seen the draneei become radical
still lily
I didn't know my character was canon Porter :^)
mint arch
if ur making the case that the draenei are open to fcking up , sure thats fine
dense plover
Because they historically are easily radicalized
mint arch
but to say that the light itself leads only to radicalism and fanatics, thats stupid
dense plover
It doesnโt only lead to that
still lily
We're saying that the Draenei are easily influenced o3o
urban dew
The Naaru were the main instigators though
still lily
Not that the light is anything too evil
dense plover
But when you are forsaking everything else for the light, it can
The same with th void
mint arch
sure, i agree on the draenei not being perfect, thats been shown with them becoming eredar
its like, w/e to that point
dense plover
Itโs totally relevant
mint arch
but the case is now ppl saying light = fanatics
dense plover
Its literally part of the Maghars beliefs
They see the Draenei as easily radicalized and a threat as a resilt
Light or fel
mint arch
and again, ur okay with the Maghar being like, oh look, some light draenei, they must be bad so lets kill all the alliance
dense plover
Theyโve been fighting the lightforged for 30 years
Why would you suddenly trust that which destroyed your world
mint arch
sure, don't trust the AU draenei
mint arch
but how is it okay to then treat draenei from ANOTHER world and then be okay to killing everyone?
mint arch
do these maghar even wanna know what the army of light is?
jesus dude, they ARE different
still lily
I mean it's a bit racist but that's all the Mag'har have ever known
So you can't really blame them
mint arch
army of light =/= AU lightforged
dense plover
How do you know the lightforged arenโt fanatical and the only reason the lightforged arenโt going around converting people is because of the legion or another cause
still lily
Culture and history is super important in a lot of the decisions made for the Horde right now
dense plover
The lightforged could have the potential to be the same
dense plover
The maghar saw it happen
mint arch
the ONLY time was with Xe'ra and with illidan
still lily
You're not looking at it in the perspective of an AU character
still lily
o3o
mint arch
im saying, from AU perspecitve, sure u can distrust and hate the azeroth version of the draenei
dense plover
For 30 years all lightforged Draenei have been monsters
still lily
Orc culture
dense plover
Why trust anyone that sponsors those monsters?
still lily
o3o
mint arch
talking about the alliance here btw
dense plover
Itโs about honor bro
dense plover
The alliance hosts the lightforged
mint arch
and all that part
dense plover
So they are responsible
dense plover
Iron horde is honorable
So what if they killed people?
That doesnโt mean they didnโt fight with honor
Itโs like you literally donโt know what orc honor is voidox
mint arch
loool
still lily
I mean to be fair during Draenor 3 quarters of the orc population on Draenor was rude and mean
o3o
dense plover
Like the way of the samurai or a knight
You can still kill and conquer
But you have rules
mint arch
honor makes genocide and shit all cool~
dense plover
They didnโt commit genocide tho
mint arch
Smorc
mint arch
for sure regular original horde did
dense plover
Like, the horde is literally about second chances
Thatโs the entire faction
Second chances
mint arch
iron hode, i dunno, they were killing a lot and doing real bad shit
still lily
It doesn't make what they're doing Okay but it makes it plausible within lore
and culture
dense plover
Itโs literally what makes members of the horde, members of the horde
mint arch
dude, im fine with the maghar hating on the AU draenei fanatics
mint arch
im saying, then they are using that as justification to then want all the alliance dead
is incredibly dumb
dense plover
Orcs, second chance
still lily
Tauren are still on their first chance cause they're good boiz uwu
dense plover
It isnโt dumb
mint arch
sigh....
dense plover
They come to azeroth and are immediately told to go to war
They see one side with their enemy of 30 years
Why the hell would they not hate them?
dense plover
Okay
dense plover
And they would care why?
dense plover
They see lightforged draenei
still lily
Pay attention
mint arch
lol, they clearly dont = real dumb
dense plover
They see them as the same tHing
mint arch
hell, call it racist if u will i dunno
dense plover
Why is it dumb? The maghar would only encounter alliance lightforged in combat
still lily
Listen they might seem dumb but it's a sense of self preservation
mint arch
exactly, they dont
dense plover
They just show up and see the other guys with their mortal enemies
mint arch
but they are already like "lets kill all alliance"
still lily
A sense of self preservation and survival are two main parts of the Horde's foundation
dense plover
Or people who look just like them
mint arch
i really dont see how u think this is good writing xD
dense plover
Lemme break this down
mint arch
u could make the argument the AU draenei were fed up with the iron horde and the orcs actions and wanted revenge
and i think its been said it wasnt 30 years of war? they were originally friends after end of WoD
then something happens
it isnt clear
and dude, dont break it down
i dont care, ur not seeing my point
its aite
dense plover
You have an enemy for 30 years. You know what they look like, and you fear and despise them. They destroy your world and force you to leave, and then find out that the guys who helped you leave are at war with Draenei who are also lightforged. Damn, that terrifies you - youโve seen lightforged before and they sucked. Why would you not hate their guts?
still lily
Sounds warranted and fearful o3o
mint arch
here are some good comments to show both side
wall of text incoming, my bad
Tell me something, put yourself in Maghar boots. A race you've lived alongside for years, that traded with your people and were on friendly terms becomes fanatical about the Light then starts forcing your people to convert or be killed. Their actions get worse and start hunting your people for 20+ years, slowly wiping out your culture and beliefs. Now having your own people they converted hunt you. Only a small group of you are alive hiding but then you are saved and move to another world only to find out Draenei and to top it off Lightforged living there under one banner called the Alliance. The people you joined that freed you from your fanatical Lightforged Draeneis are at war with the Alliance, Lightforged and Dranei in battle on the other side. Would you be friendly and ok living alongside them even if they were from another timeline? Would you go up to them and wave as they walked by or would you be wary and still have 20+ year old memories of death, hiding from them and their fanaticism with the Light? Your statement is flawed because of your Alliance bias.
and then on the other side
Tell me something, put yourself in draenei boots. A race you've lived alongside for hundreds of years, that traded with your people and were on friendly terms becomes fanatical about the Fel and conquering then starts forcing your people to be enslaved and/or killed. Their actions get worse and start hunting your people for 20+ years, slowly wiping out your culture and beliefs. Only a small group of you are alive hiding but then you are saved and move to another world only to find out Horde and to top it off orcs are living there under one banner called the Horde. The people that subjugated and nearly killed your entire race took up arms against many races and cultures that already lived there and tried to conquer them. Mag'har and corrupted orcs. Would you be friendly and ok living alongside them even if they were from another timeline? Would you go up to them and wave as they walked by or would you be wary and still have 20+ year old memories of death, hiding from them and their fanaticism with war? Your statement is flawed because of your Horde bias.
both the AU orcs and draenei fcked up
its just now that they took turns to do it to one another
dense plover
I mean
Bottom one is wrong
Maghar and corrupted were enemies
The iron horde was about avoiding the fel
rich apex
cycle of hatred, baby
dense plover
When guldan got some to give in thatโs when things started to fracture
mint arch
well, if garrosh didnt show up, fel would be their thing
dense plover
Thatโs why grommash changed his mind
If garrosh didnโt show up we would have burning crusade
mint arch
aye
still lily
hooray for our boy Garrosh
dense plover
Itโs a story based on the fact that the maghar didnโt give in to the fel
still lily
Saving the day in multiple timelines
dense plover
People see the iron horde as a viscous entity
mint arch
point is, the orcs themselves did the bad shit regardless of fel
dense plover
It was initially
And then it became corrupted because of guldan
Those that saw this fought back
Itโs why grommash switched sides
It definitely couldโve been illustrated in game better
The difference is the Draenei suddenly switch sides because they suddenly have no enemy
And their naaru told them to
Itโs rapid
urban dew
They didn't suddenly switch sides
mint arch
battle for(ced) azeroth
dense plover
The iron horde isnt
still lily
Draenei follow whoever holds carrots o3o
dense plover
I donโt see it as forced
urban dew
It was 30-35 years that has passed since we were last there
dense plover
Even if they didnโt want to fight because of the lightforged
mint arch
point is, both sides have killed the other and so both sides will hate each other
dense plover
Maghar would still team up with horde
tropic trail
yo I wish wow was more like the first cinematic
bringing it up in here because of the new female night elf updates
mint arch
but dem male night elf armor updates xD
tropic trail
I wish choosing your race actually mattered but it's more about "which race looks prettier" for most people
racials dont do enough IMO
im not counting allied races by the way
languid yoke
tropic trail
I think it looks weird because it's missing shoulders, exactly
mint arch
the female have em
like why they didnt make something for the male model?
looks... unfinished
tropic trail
I can't say im a fan of the new night elf armor but I'll take it over what they have now
mint arch
but then u look at the female human shoulders
and its like, wtf xD
these armors are for NPC guards
tropic trail
because the weapons float off the backs
mint arch
wtf are those shoulders xD
tropic trail
and it looks odd
mint arch
ya true
untold fractal
i kinda like them
mint arch
the dwarf hooded armor looks awesome
tropic trail
Link?
mint arch
mint arch
these are updates to old armor for some races, the night elf armor is new
untold fractal
gotta love a good nelf slutmog
tropic trail
better than draenei slutmog with goggles
mint arch
the front though 
tropic trail
true
Well I personally hope blizz does something in the future to make choosing your race matter more.
Like how they did with Classes.
PVP and general questing
mint arch
hmm, imo, i like it more if choosing race is only a visual thing
like heritage armor for all races
but u do have a point on racials
tropic trail
At the moment only choosing your class and faction matters really
and most people just choose whichever race looks prettier since they dont give two shits about story
or racials
except allied races
because the racials are actually useful
untold fractal
thats probably true for most people. I choose my races for back stories. I love trolls because of their long history, and Iove Worgen because of the origin of the curse
mint arch
hmm, maybe a PvE and a PvP racial for each race
rather than just 1
it'd help with balancing em
tropic trail
I just want something more than visuals to make choosing your race stand out more
like the first cinematic shows it
tropic trail
That'd be great
Choosing your race should be as important as choosing your class and faction
mint arch
lore would help with that
blizzard need to better show the lore of each race at character selection
untold fractal
i dont think it should be as important, but there should be reasons why you choose one over the other , other than looks
tropic trail
Maybe some max level quests, heritage armor, and a fresh new race specific title?
like of gilneas
mint arch
blizzard too busy adding more allied races -_-
tropic trail
or name, champion of the Tushui
mint arch
fcking we have enough, put some work on the original races
all races should have heritage armor imo
forest path
Does Blizzard really send out more invites on fridays as everyone says, or is that a myth?
untold fractal
I think they constantly send out invites
as more and more content is added, redone, and improved upon they need more and more people to test
forest path
#NeverBetaClub
untold fractal
same but there is only a couple of months left. and maybe a month or so until prepatch
blissful jungle
I think they send it out for every new build so every week
mint arch
raichuuuu~
blissful jungle
:D
quaint shale
wooo got a beta invite ๐ better late then never
honestly havnt played much WoW but this has peaked my interest
ruby star
Congrats
sullen dagger
hmmm i'm thinking in changin professions for bfa
but i'm not that sure
i had herb + alchemy for this xpac, mainy for the +100% time of flasks for the raids, since that saves lots of money
sullen dagger
now i'm thinking that maybe it's a good idea to have a char for gathering and another for doing stuff
i may have the main with alchemy and enchanting and the alt with tailoring + herb
thge bags gonna sell like crazy aswell
ruby star
NICE
uncut vault
ruby star
THATS AWESOME
thanks PORT
:d
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@uncut vault I don't see them
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Could you screenshot a Close up of the Hig hElf in Bourlas if possible please? ๐ @uncut vault
unkempt raptor
Dude bfa is gonna be expensive
sullen dagger
HELF INCOMING GUYSE
ruby prawn
I don't think they will add helves as playable race
Maybe more NPCs, but not playable races
uncut vault
side note: they fixed high elf eyes
dark ranger too
no more green glow over the blue/red eyes
hollow dock
Yea! They fixed the maps and addes specific high elf skins
ruby star
they also keep adding High Elf npcs to BFA/beta
ruby prawn
Why would you want to play a helf anyway? You have belves which are basically the same, with different eye color
And you have velves if you are alliance
ruby prawn
Who plays races based on the lore?
hollow dock
High elf isnt a class lol
And I play mostly night elves specifically for their lore that I love so very much.
The only non-elf I have is my DK. Cuz i farm everything on her.
ruby prawn
Belves were helves once
strange falcon
@ruby star it's to rub it in,blizz can be cunts most of the time
ruby prawn
So they share lore, don't they?
uncut vault
I mean despite saying high elves are a horde thing
theyre the only dedicated mage race for alliance
so they still have to be used
hollow dock
A bit, but split off when Kaelthas banished em for not sucking life essence for substinance.
hollow dock
Thrres a whole storyline from there to now just left unexplored.
In which port, high elves have been in the alliance much longer than horde~
ruby prawn
Still, a playable Helf would be dumb since there is almost no difference between them and belves
Just remove the belf and add helf as neutral xD
hollow dock
Who's to say that? Maybe these high elves get some extra details, maybe even a slightly more human modem
Model*
Since theyve been mingling with humans for so long
As elisande stated at Suramar.
uncut vault
ruby star
If your talking about looks here Exosdar, Jhave you seen High mountain tauren?
hollow dock
Yea like that.
ruby prawn
Yeah, I don't agree with Highmountain either
hollow dock
That'd be the ideal way to add in high elves.
ruby prawn
Nor void elves or mag'har orcs
ruby prawn
The nightborne are quite a lot different from night elves, but I don't like the fact they share animations
hollow dock
The only difference is skin tone and idle stance. And even then.
ruby prawn
Not only skin tone
hollow dock
Most of the time I dont notice theyre nightborne until I click em when questing
hollow dock
Cant see faces out in the world mate
ruby prawn
You can
Even with a helmet on, it's obvious they are different when you look at the picture top right
hollow dock
So you'll scroll up to them and stop whatcha doing to look at rheir faces to see if its a nightborne or not?
ruby prawn
I don't look directly at a char usually, but if I click them, their small pictures are different from nelf ones
If you know what I mean
hollow dock
In my situation, as I described, theyre pretry indistinguishable ay a first glance without clicking them. Especially when out questing in the world