Yes we do
#beta-ptr-spoilers
meager warren
zealous basalt
Pathfinder gives us more speed
meager warren
Shush u
balmy ingot
dense plover
pathfinder gives +10% ground mount speed
meager warren
It's *flight form btw
sour burrow
There are actually movespeed bugs with travel form in that none of the plus speed stuff ends up applying. Or something to that effect. I find it unfortunate, though, since I really prefer it over a mount.
Either that or there is some sort of cap on its speed.
tropic trail
But I mean paladins and DKs move pretty fast with pathfinder because of their passive faster mount speed
dense plover
pretty sure the speed stuff was fixed in one 7.x.5 patches
tropic trail
It wasn't
sour burrow
Oh right, chromie
That's where it was obvious
Travel form would break the speed buff and get artificially limited
zealous basalt
Lols
sour burrow
So you would go faster without travel form than with it.
Like, just walking faster from the plus move speed buffs.
Same for Halls of valor.
Travel form is slower than the buff when just running.
grizzled sleet
So is any mount, with the hall of valor buff
hollow dock
hence why it doesnt stack
mint arch
HAHAHAHAAHAHA
sylvanas
ur sisters come to make peace and reunite
and u?
well of course ud bring ur rangers to kill em as ur original plan
not evil btw~
just misunderstood
zealous basalt
This man knows the deal
sullen dagger
that comic was so wrong and so right in so many levels it's insane
the thing that's trubling me is they are making garrosh 2.0
like kiterally
literally*
i supposed they shoud have learned by now
sullen dagger
i think they are fucking with us
sullen dagger
ye, redemption sounds plausible
mint arch
if they go redemption though, fck that
sullen dagger
since she's "beloved"
zealous basalt
Beloved by her fans
mint arch
redemption can only be done if the result is she dies
sullen dagger
at least by the filthy horde playerbase
mint arch
not even horde
zealous basalt
Who are just people that like corpses
mint arch
sylvanas fanbois
sullen dagger
^
sullen dagger
i can understand if you are horde or undead player that you dont really like genn
mint arch
if sylvanas was a dude, she loose 99% of her fanbois
uncut vault
always love seen the vehement sylvanas haters coming out of the woodworks when she gets content
zealous basalt
She was more "acceptable" when she wasnt a warchief
sullen dagger
yeah, kinda
uncut vault
oh its fine to hate sylvanas, just funny seeing such stupid strawman arguments
sullen dagger
saurfang would have make a thousands times better leader of the horde than sylvannas
mint arch
there was no argument being made
we were just talking about the comic and what we thought
sullen dagger
we were memeing kinda
mint arch
^
sullen dagger
but nice to see someone taking this seriously
whan i am really complaining is that this recent events dont really fit into her character
zealous basalt
Well tbh
sullen dagger
she went from sad / vengeful / regretful to a mad person faster than mc'fly's car
zealous basalt
We all knew sylv when she was...a arthas hater
She just changed when he died after "realizing how much important her people are"
open bridge
Come join the Alliance side, we've got some Game of Thrones shit going on our side
open bridge
Houses fighting each other, backstabbing and subtleties
zealous basalt
I mean
sullen dagger
and his doggo is the best doggo
zealous basalt
It is canon that alliance will be victorious faction in da future
mint arch
doggo is now a good boy doggo
sullen dagger
also, wont complain if menethil's house tahkes the throne again
open bridge
Our leader is kind of a weiner but he's alright
mint arch
M A N D U I N
sullen dagger
man the rogue questline in legion is awesome btw
sullen dagger
i enjoyed it much more than the dh / mage / druid or paladin
sullen dagger
warrior is kida tied to the rogue one
and speaking of manduin, he's growing his balls, slowly, but eh, he's good (tm)
mint arch
give the kid time
uncut vault
why would they not be canon?
zealous basalt
How com
mint arch
ive been reading some comments and it makes sense
uncut vault
theres literally a whole chapter in Before the Storm about the priest order hall
mint arch
cause where are the order halls when there's a world war going on?
sullen dagger
torn by faction's rivalities?
mint arch
some can still be canon, DH, DK, priest
zealous basalt
monk?
sullen dagger
on legion they were kinda at "peace"
mint arch
thing is, it doesnt really make sense for them to disband
sullen dagger
now there's holstilities all over the place
mint arch
they went beyond just legion
some stories dealt with more about the class and such
and its hard to believe these alliances and bonds just suddenly break
uncut vault
Rogue order is also referenced multiple times in BfA, theyre still there
sullen dagger
meh, p.e the rogue order hall would have been tricky to manage
uncut vault
just not the forefront of most peoples identities
zealous basalt
I think they would just
sullen dagger
since it's located phisically on dalaran
zealous basalt
"Before we kill ourselves, let's break up peacefully"
mint arch
and like, as players, we were the leaders of the order halls
its just... i dunno
i so hoped more could be done with them
sullen dagger
yeah the doscrowned will still be a thing but us on the grand scheme of things? doubt so
mint arch
hell, think if we players were on the side of the order halls in the AvH conflict
sullen dagger
discrowned*
mint arch
that would be awesome storyline
sullen dagger
^
mint arch
we already have too much power
zealous basalt
We were leaders of stuff
mint arch
^
zealous basalt
So
mint arch
and we had legend weapons
we were garrison commanders, so on
we killed the legion
so its like...
sigh
zealous basalt
And we killed an aspect
by ourselves
Hell
We could solo all the leaders if we want
hollow dock
we didn't kill Deafwin)
zealous basalt
Ysera
mint arch
as players, we are basically some of the most powerful in azeroth now
hollow dock
Ysera wasn't an aspect when we killed her
mint arch
fck cata ending >:
zealous basalt
The title of an aspect remains
mint arch
but the power didnt
hollow dock
title means nothing
zealous basalt
I won't hear that from a game that says
"No more dragon eggs and no more black dragons"
and now
"surprise black dragons are far from extint"
zealous basalt
And the eggs?
hollow dock
Wrathion is not omniscient :p
there aren't anymore eggs
all the eggs we see are the last generation
uncut vault
the new quest also is about finding WHERE they came from
zealous basalt
"You don't know where our dens are" And probably there might be lots and lots of eggs
uncut vault
its not like its "oh hey cool dragons lets find wrathion"
hollow dock
Probably.
We know that the Sanctums were rebuilt
post-cata
so they probably house eggs of at least the bronze, red and green flight
mint arch
some dragons are endangered species
zealous basalt
Still I keep blaming Malf on what happeened with Ysera
mint arch
🎵
hollow dock
All of the non-primodrial/elemental dragons are endangered
dense plover
^
hollow dock
I blame Ysera for what happened to Ysera
mint arch
i blame blizzard
zealous basalt
If Malf hadn't bitched about Cenarius and would have think with a cool head, we could have done better stuff with it
but no
he pulled a leeroy jenkins
and gg
hollow dock
One good thing that happened
we got to see that canonically
elf ears droop
whensad
mint arch
when blizzard want something, they'll find a way
uncut vault
please be the music and load screen build
dense plover
or login screen and music
uncut vault
thats what I meant
mint arch
lol
zealous basalt
git trolled
open bridge
hopefully to fix the blizzard/hellfire bug
hollow dock
that's not a bug
mint arch
@hollow dock https://orig00.deviantart.net/a6f4/f/2012/197/c/3/c3bedd7deab4ef2bacd7b9972d8dbe72-d57g1ba.jpg
hollow dock
that's them stress testing the servers
AND YES
WE SEE THAT CANONICALLY
IT HAPPENS
I was so happy for it
uncut vault
perma mage tower bois
zealous basalt
wat
zealous basalt
niceu
sour burrow
Oi, who said beta realms were down? You liar. :O
(lol I missed the 'oh, just a restart' message)
sharp bluff
Nah probably just up till BFA launchs
mint arch
^
clever ember
Mage tower appearance is going away, We just don't know if it'll be with pre patch or launch.
mint arch
i think launch
or at least, hope its launch
pre-patch would stll be legion
technically
clever ember
We'll probably find out next month.
uncut vault
this kinda hints at it lasting till august 14th
cause it seems weird to change it now, just for a month of mage tower
tranquil steeple
I imagine it'll be unobtainable at launch, but Blizzard will put a big notice on the fact that it goes away on launch, when pre-patch hits
mint arch
also, just a sidebar, the art in these comics is fcking terrible
uncut vault
Id say warrior is gonna do best, because of Fireblood + 1% less physical damage
tropic trail
Cool, thanks
rich apex
screams internally
urban dew
Alright, so what allied race is everyone supporting?
urban dew
Not really, just curious what everyone hopes for
rich apex
My hopes and dreams are completely separated from what I actually expect
Of which sethrak are not included, sorry 😛
meager warren
share your hopes and dreams with us!
rich apex
Wildhammers and Kvaldir and Ethereals, mostly
Only one of which is nominally likely
And probably not until 9.0, if they do another set
ruby prawn
But can they wear armor?
rich apex
Sure
uncut vault
could replace gender with void and arcane
rich apex
Over their mummy wraps
Like the Legion updated ones
But obviously it'd have to be a whole new model
So unlikely as an Allied Race
ruby prawn
I only saw ethereals wearing cloth or nothing
urban dew
I'd like to see Sethrak and Arakkoa if possible
Which Sethrak seem pretty likely and Arakkoa a little less so
urban dew
Both. Order of the Awakened
ruby prawn
I don't think they would add the corrupted ones if they ever do
urban dew
Not sure why we'd get High Arakkoa if we don't get Low ones.
ruby prawn
However I would love to see current moonkin playable race, not just for druids
Low ones arent very good at fighting, right? They are hunched over, small hands. I would love seeing one wearing a huge shield and a sword though
urban dew
There's a Low Arakkoa follower that is a warrior
ruby prawn
And even when they run they run weird
urban dew
And I believe the Talon Guard wields spears
ruby prawn
Still, I don't think they would add both at the same time
uncut vault
make the two genders corrupted and uncorrupted, and choose your voice
urban dew
That's what our idea is over at my Arakkoa discord
Got a thread dedicated to them on the general discussion forums as well
ruby prawn
You have a whole channel dedicated to arrakoa?
uncut vault
corrupted arakkoa fight plenty, theyve got the talon guard
uncut vault
one of the few races where disc might make sense too
urban dew
But we do quite a bit of theorizing in there
Right now it's slow
Since the scenario we made for their recruitment plays off of the Mag'har scenario
ruby prawn
Well, I dont think they will add them anytime soon. Currently they are trying to replace the old races
I think
urban dew
Thanks, I'll probably need it
uncut vault
got bored, decided to see if the aoe bug worked on all spells
I think I remade the sunwell
untold fractal
nice
meager warren
did you launch one of them into the sun
sudden oak
be careful or packs of blood elves will start to gather around it in no time
urban dew
What?
dusky ginkgo
What?
urban dew
Was curious about the mag'har Arakkoa
dusky ginkgo
T'was the same question
ruby star
The Meteors are so bad in Stormwind you can;'t hand in quests xD
urban dew
Meteors?
urban dew
Ah
sullen dagger
rain of fire
hollow dock
Ye. Theys stress testing the servers.
hollow dock
Look man they printed the CURSED IMAGE in their TCG
blizzard has weird quality control for art
terse patrol
mint arch
yup
mint arch
lol, that's not a woman, that's Ionvanas
comic is just embracing the memes
@hollow dock hmm, do blood elf ears droop when they sad?
dusky ginkgo
The cursed image?
And yeah, they have relatively mobile ears
(Compared to heir NB/Nelf cousins)
ruby prawn
Mag'har means uncorrupted, that's why I said mag'har arrakoa
ruby prawn
What's this supposed to be
ruby prawn
Will I die in 8 hours if I don't share it to 8 groups?
hollow dock
yes
urban dew
Ah
ruby prawn
gasp
urban dew
Was confused by what you meant
terse patrol
Vaness “Nightmare Legs” Van Cleef
hollow dock
yea. Shouldn't really use other races languages to refer to others as that confuses people :p
terse patrol
Vanessa*
dusky ginkgo
.. Oh goodness @hollow dock I somehow had banished that image from my memory because of how awful it is.
hollow dock
CURSED IMAGE
dusky ginkgo
Today we learn Exosdar have a fetish on disarticulated women.
Good to know I guess.
sullen dagger
T H I C C
ruby prawn
Good thing is that I will be remembered
hollow dock
her ass is way to large, her knee's are way to small, her arms are contorted backwards and shoulders unnaturally turned, her face is photoshopped on, her torso is turning in a very uncomfortable way, her boobs are disproportioned
ruby prawn
I hope you will also remember that picture whenever you see my name
dusky ginkgo
It looks like someone cut a woman and then glued her back together but in the wrong places.
Or that she have been crossed with a turret.
sullen dagger
that image is like the illusion stairs
dusky ginkgo
Maybe Dad VanCleef did the do with a turret after all, who knows
hollow dock
I won't exo
dusky ginkgo
Yeah me neither
ruby prawn
Oh ;(
hollow dock
Everytime I see your name I just see a cockatiel in a suit
dusky ginkgo
The more you look at it, the wronger it got? @sullen dagger
ruby prawn
You just a cockatiel?
sullen dagger
damn straight
sharp bluff
It is a very nice bird in a suit
sullen dagger
the pattern in her dress is weird af aswell
dusky ginkgo
That's a good comparison. I will remember you.
ruby prawn
You mean your remember the cockatiel in a suit?
dusky ginkgo
No.
dusky ginkgo
You are utterly forgotable. I will remember Oma.
sullen dagger
👌
well the tabard
i mean the pattern starts at the middle of her back (vertically speaking) and ends in the frontish part of her shoulder
but it's drawed straight
dusky ginkgo
^
sullen dagger
yeah
dusky ginkgo
Cursed.
hollow dock
CURSED IMAGE BOIS
dusky ginkgo
But there's boobs and butt so that make it alright I GUESS
sullen dagger
cursed
sullen dagger
the bewbs are cursed aswell
hollow dock
so is the butt
terse patrol
They should have got that artist to do all the comics 
uncut vault
very cool new item got added
Scroll of inner truth, sold by the generic tortollan scroll vendors
allows any class to float and walk around
lasts till canceled
terse patrol
Cool
terse patrol
Noic
coarse niche
just to let you know there's a discount for BFA preorder key at G2A: https://www.g2a.com/r/bfadiscount
mint arch
lol, mods prooobably gonna delete that msg of urs xD
coarse niche
really, why?
mint arch
well, G2A
hollow dock
also wrong channel to slot that into
coarse niche
oh, sorry
terse patrol
G2A should be shut down tbh
mint arch
indeed it should
sharp bluff
Ragnaros is back
sudden shoal
😂😂
sharp bluff
He figured it would be easier to burn the city made of wood and stone, then the one made of gold
sudden shoal
Smart ragnaros xD
sharp bluff
in truth I believe it is stress testing for massive spell effects
hollow dock
it's the stress testing of the servers
sudden shoal
Aghhh its everywhere tho
hollow dock
They're making sure that millions of players all casting spells at the same time
doesn't crash the server
on live
sharp bluff
gotta break the server before you send the players in
hollow dock
:p
molten gyro
its still going on?
warped shore
Hello I need to ask a question about BFA professions
when it releases, r they gonna reset all of our professions
hollow dock
no
warped shore
idk i just saw a video that says so
hollow dock
Nothing changes about the profession except for how they are in the panel.
If you have cooking maxed
warped shore
what does that mean ?
warped shore
yeah
warped shore
oh saw it will remain 800 but it will show where I got the 800 from ?
is that what u mean
hollow dock
Not entirely.
Like with Pandaria cooking, each expansion has its own 'progress' bar.
So like vanilla is up to 375 (i think) and then BC is up to 75
increasing by how much the cap increased for each expac.
Like in pandaria cooking where each tier of cooking has its own progress
warped shore
alright i kinda get the idea
hollow dock
and its all retroactive
so if you have 800 now, it gets divided up and you still have all the things you earned
warped shore
thats what i aimed to find out
I get it
I have been focusing on maxing out professions for the last 6 months
tranquil steeple
Instead of the total skill level, it's now divided up into the different "ranks" of the skill, indicated with the various achievements for various skill levels.... I guess.
warped shore
thats fair
hollow dock
all of BCs skills are under 1 tier and up to however much BC had added to Vanilla's.
for the simpliest way to explain
ruby star
Hey Does anyone know how to finish teh quest Deadliest Cache: Carpe Diem final stand made?
Barathruum keeps on 1hp then to 188k then back to 1
hollow dock
sounds like a progression issue
like with the phase triggering
try abandoning and redoing?
ruby star
ah ok, will try that thanks
warped shore
I have another question,,,, What are the best professions for BFA? what should we focus on I have Blacksmithing, leatherworking, First Aid cooking, skinning maxed out
hollow dock
Anything.
First aid is going away
getting melded into Alchemy, Tailoring and leatherworking
warped shore
what are they going to replace it with
hollow dock
nothing
tranquil steeple
Depends what you're out after, if trying to make gold, go Herbalism and Alchemy since a good chunk of people will need their pots and flasks, think you can go Herbalism and Inscription aswell, with the return of scroll buff
hollow dock
its just getting removed
tranquil steeple
If not just go with whatever can help you out while playing the game
hollow dock
and yea as Sel said.
Personally I always go with Alchemy for the fun pots and the 2 hour elixirs
warped shore
I can duo the alchemy and herbalism it is not an issue,,,, should I focus on Eng as well ?
since no fly in BFA unless u get the achievement
tranquil steeple
Entirely up to you. Either you'll like the professions you choose, or you won't. And if you don't it's just to pick up another
warped shore
yupp
tranquil steeple
Though I imagine if you're gonna go Alchemy/Engineering, you should have an alt with Herbalism/Mining to fund those dual-crafting professions with mats
warped shore
but i kinda like every proff u know when u farm things and try to wait for recip and stuff
i will duo alchemy with herbalism and enginerring with mining
mining goes well with eng isnt ?
sullen dagger
yep, its kinda the staple
tranquil steeple
Mining should go well with Engineering and Blacksmithing, but there's not a whole lot of need for Blacksmithing unless there's some cool crafted armor you want, or you're a plate wearer
sullen dagger
enchanting + tailoring / alchemy or inscription + herbolistery / blacksmithing or engenieering + mining / leatherworking + skinning
warped shore
I have good amount of materials in pretty much every character
well thanks for that guys ... I appreciate it ❤
sullen dagger
that's kinda like having money in the bank in rl
pretty useless
if you have resoruces invest them craft things and sell them
warped shore
tbh leveling profs is fun
sullen dagger
LET THE GOBLIN GREED BECOME ONE WITH YOU
warped shore
I will work on alchemy and herbalism now literally
why dont I become a goblin myself
it is good 😄
I will get a discount lolol
strange falcon
calling horde flithy 🤔
sullen dagger
FOR THE ALLIANCE
warped shore
GLAD DOING BUSINESS WITH YA HAHAAH
strange falcon
tsk
warped shore
ALWAYS ALWAYS FOR THE HORDE
strange falcon
^
lone marten
AD MECH WILL OBLITERATE
warped shore
I like how they tell you where to find the materials in BFA
it literally says where to find for example a certain type of flowers
sullen dagger
the emperor protects
meager warren
if they know where to find it, why don't they get it themselves? 🤔
ruby star
Build incoming?
ionic terrace
I hope they fix AoEs 
hollow dock
there's nothing to fix
all the AOEs are intentional
its stress testing the servers.
neat idol
New beta build?
ruby star
nope
lone fern
is The Strike on Boralus bugged currently?
when the dialog finishes, the quest doesnt get completed for me
ruby star
could be, probbaly best to report it, I haven;t done the quest yet
tropic trail
Are melee hunters staying?
dense plover
yes
survival is kind of like red mage in bfa
it jumps back and forth
between close range
and melee
still uses a spear
or staff
jade basalt
I haven't followed the SV developments much lately but I thought it was still melee like in Legion, however there's a talent that can turn your (raptor strike ?) into a ranged spell ?
A spell that throws spirit owls into your enemies' faces because that's pure survival hunter fantasy.
dense plover
sort of
theres some ranged abilities like wild fire bomb and some of the traps
and then disengage
and a hookshot ability of some kind
theres a fun build where you rotate between mid-range and melee
neat idol
Do we know when is coming the next build?
tropic trail
Assuming you havent seen the comic yet
hollow dock
I've read the windrunner comic yes
tropic trail
No
hollow dock
I dont remember any Eimear's
tropic trail
its the magni comic
unique zephyr
^
hollow dock
I dont remember any Eimears? Is that his wife or?
unique zephyr
yes
unique zephyr
i don't recall learning about her before reading the comic either
hollow dock
Her name was never mentioned but we know Moira came from a mother, the former Queen of Ironforge.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
as I said. We knew OF her. Didn't know her specifically.
tropic trail
I was talking about lore about her before the comic
Damn, I hope to see a lot of new dwarf lore in BFA or future expansions thats not connected with other lore
Good ol' fashioned fantasy dwarf lore
uncut vault
survival is a bit like unholy dk with the right talents now, a lot of ranged generators, gotta leap in for spenders
Ive been loving it, if they let us use dw again I might just change from MM to that
tropic trail
she was born from magni's beard
uncut vault
also, they did a REALLY good job with the new survival talents
a lot of really good choices
hollow dock
not that much of a fan of the pseudo ranged stuff.
Make em all melee or all ranged. :p
better flow that way.
uncut vault
with disengage baseline now it has flow naturally, cause you can disengage into the enemy then harpoon, cover the 40 yds in no time
hollow dock
Maybe as like
pvper
Im a raider tho. If I'm melee, I got DKs to do my mobility for me.
tropic trail
why not raid and pvp
hollow dock
cuz I hate pvp
tropic trail
pvp is fun
except for all the monks and rogues
but other than that its really fun
hollow dock
it isnt
I play a DK
I just revive
get stunned for eternity by like 3 other players
and then die
rinse repeat
that's not fun for me
tropic trail
you tried 3v3 1v1's?
hollow dock
not sure if its my matchmaking that the other team always gets 3-4 rogues, a monk, 2 paladins and a mage
but the CC is just a killer for me
ranked it gets even worse. I used to 2v2 in WoD with my paladin
but haven't stepped into it since my 2s buddy left
and every other one has eithe rlet me die
or never broke my CC
uncut vault
well monks getting a lot of their cc removed
tropic trail
true, that sucks
but if you cant join em'
wait
I said that wrong
If you cant beat em', join em'
Also what other CC heavy classes are getting nerfed next xpac?
I wouldn't mind PvP if it wasn't full of douchebags
But instead you got "Lol, it took 2+ to kill me" or "stfu and sit kid"
dense plover
is it me or are the forums taking a massive dump?
im trying to load the forums and theyre taking forever
grizzled sleet
it works fine for me
try to use bfa.wowhead.com or anything else instead of base wowhead
dense plover
no i mean the wow forums
grizzled sleet
ah
merry sleet
I wish they would let you play as Zandalari trolls already
grizzled sleet
I just tried, no problem
dense plover
zandalari trolls arent coming with launch
merry sleet
WHAT?
dense plover
theyre coming in a later patch
merry sleet
what about the new humans?
grizzled sleet
same
dense plover
with zandalari
dense plover
we are getting maghar and dark iron with launch content
you need to get exalted with your war faction and complete the war campaign
its not too bad
most people will have them unlocked around 4-6 weeks into expac
maybe a bit longer since you have to do two exalted grinds
but you get honored pretty easily
and it seems warfronts will probably give war campaign rep
or at least the world quests/bosses will
grizzled sleet
Zandalar and Kultiran will likely be playable the same day they are released if you're already exalted with zandalar and house proudmoore, just like we unlocked velfs, nightborn etc... same day
dense plover
ehhhh
i bet it requires a weekly questline in the next patch
like suramar did in part 2
grizzled sleet
maybe
dense plover
very likely
grizzled sleet
I think they must add void whispers to void elfs just like Alleria, but if they do so they need to add something to the nightborn too
dense plover
they wont
nightborne need more customization
its actually sad how few choices they have compared to all the other allied races
also the fact that their faces dont match nightborne faces
and the armor bottom being cloth is so shitty
its such a cool thing
and its so disappointing
they dont even have the "an illusion" voice line
grizzled sleet
maybe the next time they update all models (2030 ? 
) all allied races will be unique
dense plover
i dont care if theyre using night elf models
my problem is purely the lack of customization compared to the other 3 allied races they shipped with
they have less skin options, less face options, and almost no metal bits outside of their ears
grizzled sleet
so they can add more customization to the nightborn and void whispers to void elfs
dense plover
i think they need to add more nightborne customization no matter what
they are deficient
also, the void whispers are almost definitely alleria only
she isnt the same as the void elves
similar
but not the same
dense plover
i mean, highmountain have like 8 horn options
and more than 3 color options
more hair options
more beard options
and multiple options for each tattoo color
2 or 3 each i think
tulip sun
Guess i just was thinling hair
terse patrol
@dense plover Umbric says the void elves hear the whispers too
Alleria is just better at deciphering the truth in them
dense plover
that doesnt mean it should be a gameplay mechanic
it would get obnoxius and repetitive after a while
uncut vault
I mean, if theyre on the scale of things like xalatath, its not annoying
dense plover
eexcept xalatath was only for ten levels
grizzled sleet
or a glyph
dense plover
imagine it starting at level 20
dense plover
it doesnt have any new vo
dense plover
it just gives the same repetitive whispers mimig
terse patrol
i’d like that
uncut vault
you're implying people spend more time leveling than they do at max level
100-110 vs 20-110 doesnt matter
because most of your time is at 110
dense plover
im saying they arent going to add unique vo for all 80 levels prior
it would get repetitive because the phrases would have to work in many situations
where of the legion phrases are somewhat crafted around where you are and what you are doing
uncut vault
who said it needs to be unique to everything? can just add some lines for each type of mob killed or something that play at the same frequency as shadowmourne or the artifacts
terse patrol
i wonder what the new xalatath lines will be for BFA though, if we’re getting new lines
dense plover
none
there is no evidence of new lines
no broadcast text
no audio
there isnt going to be new dialogue
since canonically, you retire the weapon post-legion
terse patrol
you don’t know that.
uncut vault
in BfA, she does exactly what we're suggesting, occasionally whisper on kills
with her generic lines
dense plover
they are past the content adding stage, there is no evidence of any new lines
no code for it
no placeholder stuff
terse patrol
You do realize
That they can still move things in at launch, right? Or in a later patch?
terse patrol
...
dense plover
canonically it is retired
they are moving on from artifacts
they arent going to keep adding artifact dialogue every expac
uncut vault
theyre past the content creation stage, not addition. Even though I dont think there will be any new lines, still is still gonna be added
kul tirans still need all their forms added
dense plover
i mean
terse patrol
If you honestly think Xal’atath is being tossed out, you’re dense.
dense plover
it is
it literally is
thats the fucking thing with bfa
holy shit
you cant call me dense when thats what is going to happen
terse patrol
Is it?
dense plover
all the artifacts are retired canonically post legion
we as players see them become stat sticks
terse patrol
Because we could VERY WELL be giving her what she wants by draining the sword.
terse patrol
Yep.
terse patrol
hokay
uncut vault
even if xalatath does survive, she wont be in the players possession
terse patrol
I’ll add this to my mrpeach list of BS.
dense plover
blizz isnt going to keep the story of a weapon going
terse patrol
nite
dense plover
its not bullshit
grizzled sleet
Artifacts weapons are here to stay (in lore too) they are just less powerful than before because of sargeras sword, they are not destroyed ot smthing
dense plover
we retire them
we use the power to drain the sword
no
they arent staying
theyre retired
there power is permanently dampened
theyre the equivalent of toxic waste barrels
dangerous but in no way useful
grizzled sleet
so
uncut vault
we replace them in the prepatch, lol
grizzled sleet
does it mean that Xalatath is dead? no, it doesn't
dense plover
you lock it in a box for the rest of eternity
grizzled sleet
I know
but
they lose their power
they don't disappear
and we replace them for that
dense plover
and get filled with toxic garbage
they arent useful anymore
for anyone
as i said
toxic waste
grizzled sleet
yes, it doesn't mean that Xalatath is dead, or Aluneth etc
dense plover
it doesnt mean we will ever see them again
grizzled sleet
they will still inside the weapon
dense plover
because we wont
blizz doesnt revisit stuff like this
shadowmourne didnt stay relevant
ateish from karazhan somehow ended up in khadgars possesion
the legendary cloak and ring were shelved and dont matter in canon
we wont ever see these weapons again
grizzled sleet
I'm not talking about the weapons in general ,but the entities inside them
dense plover
if we do, it would be some kind of artifact weapon 2.0 thing, and that would likely occur literally years from now
okay, entities are there
but theyre stuck in weapons no one is going to use
ever
its like if you had a favorite mouse
and then someone took it and buried it in a nuclear waste dump
it isnt going to stop working
but youre never going to see it again
here is what it looks like btw
grizzled sleet
Humm
dense plover
they are weak weapons now filled with a toxic substance
they are only important because of how dangerous that toxic substance is
zealous basalt
that...
looks really sad tbh
its like if all the "epicness"
all the life of it just...
died
grizzled sleet
It's cool from a forsaken perspective
zealous basalt
It gets me sad tbh
dense plover
and replaced with toxic waste
dense plover
2 years
zealous basalt
The discovering of being 483
of AP needed to level from 14
Then discovering that you need 1492 ap to level it to 15 and thinking that it was some bug
brb going to cry
dense plover
thats nothing
it used to be way more
clearly you started after launch
it was way more intense
necklace is way more intense too tbh
zealous basalt
I started from the start man
dense plover
level 14 was way more than that
zealous basalt
I thought that you could save all the ap
dense plover
after 7 traits it spiked to ovver 6000
dense plover
yeah
grizzled sleet
@dense plover necklace is not worse
dense plover
its a lot slower
grizzled sleet
the artifact knowledge thing is just not yet added
dense plover
grind curve is much steeper right now
even with the weekly knowledge, its going to be slower
dense plover
nothing wrong with that
grizzled sleet
they said that it will be like last legion patchs
zealous basalt
It's an automatic thing
dense plover
its just a fact
grizzled sleet
with artifact knowledge
zealous basalt
No no like
zealous basalt
Unlike Legion that we had to click
dense plover
thats not what im talking about
im talking about the amount to level being slower to earn
each level is a bigger increase then levels in legion
zealous basalt
I don't know what to feel anymore
zealous basalt
hugs artifact weapons
dense plover
my current theory is that by the first raid, most people will be between level 17 and level 20 neckalce
since raid gear has traits that start between 17 and 20 depending on difficulty (i think)
and that matches up with mythic stuff
since mythic +5 starts at level 17 for traits
dense plover
its just another xp bar
and gear has a minimum level to get traits
once you reach that level, you can get traits
better gear has higher level requirements
zealous basalt
oof
dense plover
nah
its essentially a somewhat passive grind
since all weekly emmisaries give 600 azerite
dense plover
what do you mean?
zealous basalt
After Lordaeron, does Azeroth really changes? Assets, graphical updates, mob levels? Stuff like that?
dense plover
same with darkshore, though the change there is just teldrassil being gone and the skybox changing
zealous basalt
And the rest of the world?
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
Damn
zealous basalt
I thought we were going to have another revamp
dense plover
that would take forever
its what cost us a raid tier in cata
theyre slowly redoing certain zones - one bit at a time
grizzled sleet
many other zones will change will new warfronts at later point
dense plover
most of lordaeron is the same tbh
grizzled sleet
with*
zealous basalt
Think we will have Gilly back for Alliance?
dense plover
arathi is getting 100% revamped
and so will dustwallow and northern barrens (probably)
gilneas currently has no asset changes
but its likely that gilneas will become a new capital city since the nightelves need a place to live and so do the gilneans
grizzled sleet
Do you want to get it back as a dungeon where you slay worgens and humans? just like kezan
dense plover
i dont think we are done with kezan tbh
that one dungeon is on a small part of the island, nowhere near where the goblin intro happened
dense plover
it hasnt yet
grizzled sleet
I hope so, I wish they add kezan back
dense plover
its possible
kezan might come back
the underdark should be mostly fine
since gallywix is the reason the volcano exploded
theres vo where gallywix admits that he, not deathwing, is the reason the volcano on kezan went boom
so its definittely possible we go back
zealous basalt
SO IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB OML
dense plover
and with gallywix being such a in-focus character this expac, it wouldnt surprise me
grizzled sleet
I hope BRD get reworked too (at least as DID home phased) and not cut into a smaller piece
zealous basalt
brd?
dense plover
and redoing those two zones could easily tie into redoing those two races
grizzled sleet
blackrock depths
dense plover
you will be sad mimig
its a piece
its a big piece
but its a piece
its probably phased to match up with the rrest of the zone somehow
like with highmountain and the hm tauren version
grizzled sleet
humm it's on the beta already? I didn't see any video about it
dense plover
no
but the map is in the files
this is the hub
at least as it is currently in the files
it could be severely out of date because blizz might not have updated the map recently or may not have all the files on beta
its a good size
uncut vault
The dungeon isn’t on Kezan btw, it’s just a venture co island
uncut vault
When? And how?
grizzled sleet
I don't think it's hard to rework the whole map for BRD, it's just a reuse of same textures
dense plover
ill show you
its about making it a hub
vs a place you spend all your time
its somewhere to go back to for some rp
not somewhere to spend all of your time
dense plover
currently maghar orcs have all of a redone gorgrond
but like with highmountain, most of it is the same
also i dont think you go back as a maghar
i think you start in iron docks and that is your hub
because you are literally fleeing draenor and closing the portal permanently
grizzled sleet
Ok
dense plover
@uncut vault
also on the dungeon map
its listed as a subzone of kezan
but again
its a small part
and they almost definitely plan on doing more with it
uncut vault
Huh. Well as long as this isn’t their way of saying “see look we used kezan!” Im interested
dense plover
i dont think it is
uncut vault
They should also change some of the dungeon assets
uncut vault
Cause kezan has never been a jungle island
grizzled sleet
nazjatar is somewhere near / in the maelstorm, so is kezan, I think they will use them both at the same time
dense plover
i mean
its not unreasonable to say part of it couldve been a jungle
we only saw a small part of the island
also, most goblins havent been there for four years
and following the cataclysm, the climate couldve changed
tbh, we dont know where nazjatar is
that map from the old rpg isnt canon
nazjatar is actually probably somewhere between zandalar, kul tiras, azsuna, and vashjir
grizzled sleet
but the war of the ancient trilogy is canon
it's from where this text come :
“There, at the bottom of the Maelstrom, the naga built for themselves a new city, Nazjatar, from which they would rebuild their power. It would take over ten thousand years before the naga would reveal their existence to the surface world.”
from "The Sundering of the World"