whatever the grim totem destroyed in stonetalon
#beta-ptr-spoilers
grizzled sleet
oh yes kezan 😃 I always thought trolls have lost zandalar too but it still intact
dense plover
it was never lost
zul spread rumors that it was sinking
it wasnt
it sank a few feet
hence nazmir being a swamp
it didnt used to be
grizzled sleet
Ok 
sharp bluff
By sound of it orcs lost draenor twice 😆
Goats lost Draenor once also, and their planet I guess twice, since AU Draenor also has them on it
uncut vault
zealous basalt
lol
tropic trail
@uncut vault I think this is the most concerning part of it all. XD
rich ocean
Yo port did i miss you at the event tonight or you not coming to the ashenvale stuff?
uncut vault
just wasnt there today, leveling with a friend
rich ocean
Ah ok.
tropic trail
Same here @tropic trail
oak wraith
There is some other older pre-patch only stuff. I remember a pet from Kharazan and some toy-like stuff, gear and a tabard from the Wrath launch.
broken kraken
khara had a vampire batling and i missed out on it 😦
tropic trail
I got it. :^)
hollow dock
To be fair peach, it qasnt because of the alliance that the horde lost so much. It was the horde.
ivory palm
tropic trail
I only need to knoq this, does Greymane die???
tropic trail
As far as big, named characters go at least
terse patrol
i got into the beta last night apparently
hollow dock
congratz
terse patrol
so i guess i’ll look around
ruby star
congrats, but you might not be able too, till they fix it
As with the latest update it makes realms Incompatible
nova turret
Anyone else thats quested feel the main storyline is so disjointed.
There are times i cant tell what is supposed to be the main the main story
hollow dock
Yes. There's chunks of quests that are missing
nova turret
Ahh
I get sounds, cuts scenes, bugs and maybe some models would be left to finish but not whole quest line
hollow dock
Borealus is just now being finished up
nova turret
And voldum?
hollow dock
yup. Quests across the board are missing. Mostly because the world itself isn't entirely finished yet
nova turret
Kk
tribal sand
are the beta servers down right now?
can' t login to a realm there
build 26766
hollow dock
they aren't. an update is on the servers that we dont have.
tribal sand
thx
late plank
any idea when blizzard does beta waves now? I'm just sitting here waiting .-.
tribal sand
so far i know they send out invites every new build
ruby star
@late plank have you tried entering giveaways?
reef magnet
i am interested in testting beta
hollow dock
Well when you get the beta invite you're free to do so
grizzled sleet
i am interested in testing beta 2
but we must pray RNG gods
RNGesus
I just want to the test classes so I will wait for ptr
hollow dock
You better make your daily sacrifices for it then
grizzled sleet
Archmage Khadgar says: Our power manifests: Kirin'var torel, ahm shalar, azakim!
I'm going to miss this on BFA
I heard this 36 times with 36 specs
Archmage Modera says: Together! We must all lend our strength!
restive sage
😉
hollow dock
It's not prepatch
neat idol
💔
hollow dock
We were told yesterday its maintenance and prepatch is accompanied by a pre-download
restive sage
its not prepatch
neat idol
And any idea of whart happened to beta?
grizzled sleet
Big build incoming
neat idol
Nice
zealous basalt
People seem to be already excited for prepatch...maybe 2 weeks after this?
grizzled sleet
July 3rd can't be prepatch
grizzled sleet
Legion was 6 weeks
open bridge
Okay then July 3rd count it mark it 100%
zealous basalt
Think June 26th?
open bridge
It really depends on how many weeks of quests they have for pre event
grizzled sleet
July 4 is national holiday, they can't release something on july 3rd
north cove
they can
open bridge
How long are things usually on PTR before they release?
because we haven't seen any pre launch stuff on PTR yet
north cove
but you do know they have a team in europe that don´t have holidays ? because here it is a normal day
zealous basalt
Two weeks
If I can remember, or one
I just rmember a lot of people asking "how do i play demon hunter"
open bridge
July 3rd makes the most sense to me, you'd assume they'd have a weekly quest chain leading up to launch
grizzled sleet
6 weeks is too much for this prepatch, there isn't a lot of content, legion had invasions and they were repeating
zealous basalt
Isn't the burning part of the pre-patch?
open bridge
Well we have to lead up to the Lordaeron scenario
zealous basalt
legion had weekly quests
open bridge
So however long it takes us to get there
grizzled sleet
Artifact weapons => Darkshore Quests => Teldrassil => Lordaeron
4 weeks seems right I think
grizzled sleet
but there was invasions, and they kept people busy because they helped with leveling
there isn't something like this here
only world quests
and they are limited
grizzled sleet
yeah
and theey will give reputation with alliance factions
but they are limited
zealous basalt
tell me something, does the world entirely changes after the lordaeron stuff?
change*
grizzled sleet
there isn't a lot of world quests
zealous basalt
Wait, was the Broken shore thing part of the pre-patch?
north cove
yes
restive sage
no
hollow dock
yes it was
grizzled sleet
we had 2 scenario with legion prepatch, scenario with magni and broken shore
and invasions
hollow dock
yup
zealous basalt
So now we will have 2 big scenarios and world quests
And the artifact removal
Unless they make the artifacts corrupt one week before pre-patch and then we follow up with the removal
restive sage
thats ding a ling 😦
hollow dock
and prepatch is when all the stats and class changes come in
zealous basalt
And some become baseline, right?
hollow dock
That's false.
grizzled sleet
not all
hollow dock
not all are going onto the GCD
zealous basalt
CDs
restive sage
i hope they arent
open bridge
GCD up to 3 seconds
hollow dock
A lot have been removed from the GCD during Alpha/Beta
open bridge
more time for strategic gameplay
hollow dock
Wowheads been covering what's been removed since everything was placed onto the GCD
restive sage
honestly, it sounds like the combat is gonna be very slow
grizzled sleet
Some don't have gcd, some got 0.5 sec some 1sec or 1.5sec
restive sage
slower than ffxiv combat 😗
restive sage
i hope they fix
open bridge
It definitely has had an effect on the fluidity of gameplay for some specs
zealous basalt
Supposedly "it has"
hollow dock
Yea
restive sage
and just throw in suprise action combat c:
open bridge
Some specs don't really feel it much
grizzled sleet
zealous basalt
But bleeding stuff turn fast af
open bridge
Fury is one of the few specs that feels better than Live
hollow dock
Like if you watch Fury gameplay, Fury is so much smoother now
restive sage
i play fury c:
grizzled sleet
1.5 sec is the max
hollow dock
Unholy is amazing now
restive sage
what do you mean by smoother?
hollow dock
less clunky
frail yew
was funny, talking to a few people that said they quit fury right before Wowhead posted the fury updates XD
hollow dock
Less choppy and reliant on haste
the animations all fill the GCD windows.
it -feels- fluid again
restive sage
idk
zealous basalt
how about Windwalker?
open bridge
Fury and Demonology people are happy with the changes
hollow dock
nothings really changed for WW
restive sage
how about enchancement shaman
hollow dock
Unholy as well
open bridge
Enhance is basically the same
hollow dock
nothings changed for enhance as far as I've seen
restive sage
😦
open bridge
Yeah Unholy got some nice changes
hollow dock
Baseline Apoc saved the spec <3
restive sage
unholy sounds like
zealous basalt
Is the Chi Blast still instant?
restive sage
badness
hollow dock
yes it should be
zealous basalt
oof
Im looking forward to see what's up with ww
do they use their weapons at least?
hollow dock
yes? they only dont use fist weapons when you have it glyphed
ruby star
beta back up
tropic trail
now is the mages turn to break it
sharp bluff
Looks like Jaina is still a bit angry
tranquil steeple
Wants to make sure Zul can't do the same in Boralus 
tropic trail
now is a GoT title "A Song of Ice and Fire"
scenic herald
sour burrow
So that's what's going on these days on beta huh?
Permanent AOE effects by mages. :P
grizzled sleet
Legion main title was " kingdoms will burn, heroes will fall" on august 30, but they were wrong, it's June 5
terse patrol
kinda disappointed at the lack of kingdoms burning in Legion tbh
drifting current
limber mural
Like, take Tomb and Antorus
'oh yay it's green'
Tomb was kinda OK for that but Antorus, it was fel demon after fel demon
It just means that I often forget about kingaroth cause he's so unmemorable
I also forget coven cause I just purged it from my mind cause I hate it so much
ruby star
Vereesa lives boi's 😄
sharp bluff
how is void elf touching light boi?
I mean it was good for the sisters, I am a bit disappointed it was not a pro horde one though
dense plover
god damn that comic was good
hollow dock
@uncut vault Whatcha mean she's holding it wrong?
dense plover
and sylvanas still has a tiny bit of good in her heart
sharp bluff
Vris cover page
dense plover
also, if arator dies, that means alleria will probably give in to the whispers
ionic terrace
ooh Rhonin and Veressa's sons
dense plover
so if somehow he dies, alleria will lose her shit
hollow dock
Cover page has no bows on it Zep
sharp bluff
sorry about that, meant that on page 1
hollow dock
Every other page with her holding it to fire doesn't ahve it like that O.o
dense plover
yeah because she isnt holding it to fire here
maybe she took it off her back or is putting it away
she is purposefully holding it differently
rustic jacinth
"In the end they will serve death. They will serve me."
Sylvanas is gonna be a problem xD There is no rest for the Horde
dense plover
i mean
ruby star
I am surprised Blizz did not kill Vereesa
dense plover
i think she was just giving herself an excuse in her moment of weakness
molten gyro
they better not
dense plover
she didnt want to kill her sisters because she loves them
but she doesnt want to admit that to herself
molten gyro
I can def see that
dense plover
she isnt able to accept that she can love anyone
hence how coldly she treats nathanos
sharp bluff
what is the true enemy of void, if it is not light?
dense plover
no i dont think she is good as a whole
terse patrol
Serve*
dense plover
i think a piece of her is
and again
its an excuse she is telling herself
just because she says it doesnt mean she means it
its not unreasonable to say she loves her sisters and didnt have them killed because she does
but she isnt able to accept that
she cant see herself loving anyone or anything
shes the banshee queen
grizzled sleet
she says that so that she don't reveal her true feelings to the ones who appeared in the end
rich apex
Vereesa's checking out at Teldrassil
zealous basalt
There isnt much to do with her character anymore
dense plover
she is lying more to herself than anyone
ruby star
lol thats not Vereesa
hollow dock
Peach
Sylvanas was waiting
with her Rangers to kill em
d=
She had every intention to kill em. She's still a monster.
molten gyro
is this in the comic?
grizzled sleet
but she didn't
dense plover
and she chose not to
sharp bluff
do we have an aspect of Death? I don't mean an old god, but just an avatar of death? they way she speaks in the last two panels, it really makes me wonder if she is serving someone else?
dense plover
she realized she didnt want to kill them
she couldve if she truly wanted to
she doesnt want to kill them
at least inside
grizzled sleet
just like when so angry about someone, who may have some bad intentions but in they end you don't put them into actions
hollow dock
it didn't matter if they die there
dense plover
she is lying to herself
hollow dock
and her third lie is almost 100% certain
grizzled sleet
just words
hollow dock
that she'd never betray her sisters
sharp bluff
serve Death, then she says her, is there a being of death that is higher then her?
dense plover
^^^
hollow dock
I am glad you see it that way. I do not.
dense plover
this is what i see in the direction they want to go with her character
zealous basalt
...of course
sharp bluff
so by the sound of it guessing that is a no then
zealous basalt
And then the things of the books happen and she starts killing her people for leaving somewhere
dense plover
then what was the purpose of the comic vris? if you see it showing the same sides of their personality that we already know, what was the point?
hollow dock
She's still a monster and Im very happy to show that.
zealous basalt
There is a point where a character cant make a turn, and Sylvanas will surpass that point somewhere in the game
hollow dock
They're starting her down that path. Theyre continuing her down that path. I like that she's going ot be a complex, hard to kill, tactical monstrosity.
zealous basalt
Hopefully it ends with her death sometime
sharp bluff
she died long ago
molten gyro
I love the Windrunner sisters
hollow dock
Perma death Zep
zealous basalt
Her true death, no respawning, finito
hollow dock
Perma death
terse patrol
inb4 dark ranger vereesa
sharp bluff
So lore people, who is the aspect of death in wow? and no i do not mean the old god
dense plover
weve gone over this
hollow dock
There is none.
zealous basalt
Deathwing was
hollow dock
Death just exists as a force.
dense plover
they arent going to kill another warchief
deathwing wwas not
he is the dragon aspect of earth
was
hollow dock
To be fair peach he is the self proclaimed aspect of death
zealous basalt
Well, his title was the aspect of death in some point of his life
ruby star
@terse patrol I thought Vereesa was gonna die in the comic but was surprised Blizz didn't kill her off
sharp bluff
then why would she say "serve Death" before "serve her"? she always says serve her first
hollow dock
as seen in the Twilight Highlands when he has his dick measuring contest with Alexstrasza.
She sees herself as death.
Like deathwing had
it's self-proclamation
sharp bluff
she always says you will serve me in death, but i do not remember her saying serve death before
terse patrol
I still get the vibe that she’s manipulated by Yogg Saron.
Who considers itself to be Death.
hollow dock
Undead aren't touched by Yogg Honk
sharp bluff
that we know of at least
hollow dock
they're greatly annoyed by em but whispers of the void do not touch the undead.
As seen within the saronite mines in Northrend
terse patrol
There’s a reason they specified she was impaled by a Saronite spike when she tried to An Hero.
hollow dock
Yes because Icecrown was built
entirely out of saronite
so the spikes will be made of saronite when she impales herself on them
hollow dock
Spikes of icecrown, saronite spikes, frozen spikes, all represent hte same thing
terse patrol
Listen.
hollow dock
she imapled herself onto icecrowns spikes.
terse patrol
Either Sylvanas is going to die as a villain.
zealous basalt
And exploded
terse patrol
Or realize she was manipulated.
zealous basalt
I dont think she is
hollow dock
that she's being manipulated
hollow dock
Yes she is. That's the whole point of her tyring to find a way to circumvent undeath
hollow dock
she's going to rot out eventually and no magic can stave it off indefinitely D=
terse patrol
Tbh
zealous basalt
Dont caring about anything else
limber mural
oops
terse patrol
I want her to be turned living again, just to die and be put to full rest.
limber mural
didn't update
limber mural
Well has she lost all the valkyra in her service? Cause if so surely next death is her last
zealous basalt
Well tbh
zealous basalt
It doesnt feel like horde anymore
dense plover
and then shell rot
limber mural
as did nathanos
dense plover
^
limber mural
nathanos is a bit valkyr a bit his cousin
dense plover
either way
limber mural
or his brother
dense plover
whose cousin?
limber mural
I don't remember that
zealous basalt
Cousin
dense plover
what?
zealous basalt
Nathanos killed his cousin to have the body
limber mural
Nathanos is a valkyr's power in his cousin's body
dense plover
it stops him from rotting
limber mural
yep
zealous basalt
Why not t?you say?
dense plover
they are probably positioning her to step down and have saurfang take over
limber mural
honestly horde have a questing fuckin nightmare
idk how new horde players know who tf their current warchief is
dense plover
because the horde has had 2 warchiefs die, 1 step down so far
limber mural
Wander out of Undercity, see garrosh
dense plover
we lost garrosh and voljin
zealous basalt
Or pandaren
dense plover
thrall stepped down
vital sable
Saurfang would be okay, don't you think? (hello!)
zealous basalt
Garrosh did nothing wrong
limber mural
'lost' Garrosh
dense plover
thats the direction i think they are going - sylvanas stepping down and having saurfang lead the horde
limber mural
Sour fantasy, besides Thrall, is probably the best the horde can get
whoops, autocorrect
Saurfang has a good mix of 'for the horde', 'me orc me have big stick' and 'actual morality' which is what the Horde need at this point
vital sable
How old is he?
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber mural
Saurfang?
dense plover
old
vital sable
Yes
vital sable
Cause if we got Saurfang, but he dies next year in his chair...
dense plover
he isnt ancient
vital sable
ok x)
limber mural
Well if Grom's birth year was - 26
zealous basalt
Well
limber mural
About 50?
zealous basalt
Honestly dying from old is better
vital sable
For orcs I don't think so x)
zealous basalt
Tho
limber mural
As an educated guess I'd say he's like 50 or 60
dense plover
orcs can live around 100 years
zealous basalt
He could rekt malf
dense plover
its just that they usually get themselves killed first
zealous basalt
...can we talk about how killing Malf and tyrande is best
sharp bluff
peach you need to mention brown orcs or green orcs
limber mural
Well let's be honest half the Alliance main cast are damn near immortal
vital sable
Jarod and Shandris please.
dense plover
doesnt matter
sharp bluff
I am pretty sure green ones live longer
vital sable
They would be great
dense plover
fel doesnt make you live shorter lives
tropic trail
It could
dense plover
it just lets you age to adulthood faster
sharp bluff
fel for longer lives
dense plover
there is no evidence that fel orcs live longer
limber mural
You can have Tyrande. She's kinda a bitch recently
zealous basalt
Tyrande and Malf
rich apex
Being turned to into a barely intelligent rage monster probably does not make you live longer
limber mural
I kinda wanna see the pandaren leaders take a leading role again, I know Aysa's in BfA
rich apex
limber mural
Like Ji should have a total personality change after his first impression of the horde tried to kill him twice
Change his personality from kinda bouncy and loud to more like Taran Zhu
tropic trail
I'm kinda curious to what will happen to Teldrassil after the expansion
zealous basalt
Unusable
limber mural
after? Well hopefully it doesn't stay as skybox forever
zealous basalt
Or probably just a big bonfire
vital sable
cries in the corner
limber mural
It can't burn forever
tropic trail
Doubt
zealous basalt
Turn into ash then?
limber mural
It should probably burn for half the expac
tropic trail
Mannoroth is burning forever
zealous basalt
Its not an useful world tree tho
limber mural
Well there's a difference between 'powerful boi demon' and 'a slightly blessed plant'
limber mural
wow I never realised this
vital sable
Teldrassil isn't exactly a small cute plant.
vital sable
cough Groot cough
tropic trail
Anymore*
zealous basalt
We are groor
limber mural
never mind missing a dragon blessing, dragon soul probably means an aspect's blessing doesn't mean shit now
tropic trail
Dragon Aspects lost majority of their power in Cataclysm
limber mural
as I said
ignoring the fact Noz never blessed it to Nordrassil level, cata probably means it's honestly not much more than a really glorified plant now
besides what it gets from just being a world tree
tropic trail
I mean Nordrassil is mostly a special tree with special druid water underneath it. Because let's be honest, that stuff isn't useful anymore*
limber mural
Yeah cause they broke it to repel the demons in the war of the ancients
hollow dock
Its not special druid water
it's the last of the Well of Eternity
the actual waters of the well are there. :x
limber mural
(assuming they didn't by unfortunate chance lose that bit when it half drained in Legion)
tropic trail
It's special druid water now dear
Ysera was diddling around with it along with other druids
wild pewter
I at least hope Vereesa will turn up in BFA since we got a whole comic with her in.
limber mural
she probably will
zealous basalt
Hopefully no more ded dragons
limber mural
silver covenant have to represent basically everywhere
honestly I still don't care about Ysera having died that much cause she's still perfectly alive and easily usable and intractable with cause she's still in the Dream
And taking Cenarius into mind, they could even bring her back down the line if they wanted
tropic trail
You know what kinda sucks though
zealous basalt
Idk why they made the constellation thing tho
tropic trail
Is when there's the night time skybox, you don't see Ysera's constellation
limber mural
'yo guys we need a cutscene and we gotta make it like somewhat sad wat do'
tropic trail
And I'm speaking from someone who has tried to see it at 5am
limber mural
Anyway the constellation is an image of redemption from the Nightmare back into Elune
tropic trail
I think it's something else tbh
limber mural
I mean if her spirit just got up and got succed into the Dream it'd still do the same effect but be slightly less obvious to normies
I just wanted to be able to say succ today, pardon me that one
I haven't done Hasabel today so I've missed my normal use
tropic trail
Hasn't read any of the comics
zealous basalt
So think Ysera can com bac
limber mural
Ysera can come back easily
grizzled sleet
Deathwing can come back easily !
limber mural
She doesn't even need to 'come back'
tropic trail
She doesn't either
limber mural
Just ring her up in the Dream 'hey how do we fight this thing' 'oh it's this' 'oh OK thx'
terse patrol
no thank you
limber mural
Oh yes, start another cataclysm and just like, tactically remove the west side of Pandaria and Vashir
... vashyr?
tropic trail
Vashj'ir
terse patrol
people need to stay dead please
terse patrol
People dont need to come back.
tropic trail
^^^^
limber mural
They do
But blizzard have shown their hand too much that if they want they can do it
terse patrol
I’m fine seeing them in the Shadowlands but thats it
tropic trail
We already had 60+ orc characters come back with WoD
limber mural
Nazgrim? Give it a few years
floral gyro
Yeah you're a bit late on that one
limber mural
I said that in the wrong tense
I'm sleepy
I knew that lol
I still kinda believe the theory that Tirion only didn't get brought back as a DK because paladins would reeeee and unsub
zealous basalt
Kek
limber mural
I'm still quietly sitting here and trusting Blizzard that DKs get a lot more questing from Acherus, wherever it's going
Their order hall campaign did not resolve happily and I don't see how we can move on with their actions unaddressed
tropic trail
We Need the Wrath of the Fire King
limber mural
cause the DKs haven't pissed off the dragons yet haven't they
sharp bluff
isn't that a hat in the cash shop?
limber mural
that'll round it up nicely
sharp bluff
well we do save the dragons in BFA if the quest hasn't changed for DK
hollow dock
Well brass
it depends entirely on how you did the quest
cuz a DK comes to copy you
but you stop em with a red
in which if you slaughtered em all, the red curses and yells at you all angry like
but if you saved em, she's thankful and notices your 'restraint' to kill when you got the info
sharp bluff
which you do Vris? I didn't kill any
hollow dock
same.
sharp bluff
still was fun choking the gnome dragon though
dense plover
i killed them all
hollow dock
I was about to but then Bolvar said these are the last and so I stayed my hand
hollow dock
enjoy peach.
sharp bluff
😱
hollow dock
I'd rather be the redeemed DK rather than the monstrous one.
zealous basalt
I mean
sharp bluff
Do it for the ghost girl, right Vris?
zealous basalt
He supports sylv lol
sharp bluff
For Uuna!
hollow dock
Im glad you had
zealous basalt
I couldnt
tropic trail
I could.
zealous basalt
Just ccd
tropic trail
I'm an achievement whore
zealous basalt
Dragons are nice things
sharp bluff
My Forsaken DK had nothing against the Dragons, but he knew he had to get the mount to fly it into battle against the legion
Plus I dig the throne
sucky mount overall, but cool seat
sharp bluff
watch the new lich king raise Deathwing 😆 I would be scarred
sharp bluff
A lot of things do
tropic trail
You can resurrect him from the heart
sharp bluff
as long as he has a few pieces, he can make one
zealous basalt
No
sharp bluff
remember in pirates of the Caribbean, where the undead walk around under the sea? that is my thoughton it
zealous basalt
Neltharion was Nefarion's papa
dense plover
you cant raise deathwing
he was destroyed using the remaining power of the other aspects
he is gone forever
there are no bones or anything
theres a big plate in each city
and a jaw
sharp bluff
just having fun at this point peach lol, we know that
just wondering what the New Lich King could raise as his new mega-monster
tropic trail
Patchwerk
zealous basalt
Garrosh
dense plover
i dont know if a bolvar lich king would be the main villain tbh
i think that would be kind of lame
sullen dagger
so
tropic trail
Right
sharp bluff
Garrosh's body is on AU still so not that
tropic trail
It'd be Ner'zhul
sullen dagger
after this comic are we doubting sylvannas is a major bitch?
sharp bluff
we fought the legion how many times
sullen dagger
and a complete evil mastermind?
dense plover
the last fragments of nerzhul were defeated
tropic trail
thrice
dense plover
the legion is a whole concept
it isnt one entity
the lich king is one dude
it would be a far more interesting concept to have yogg saron rise up and have to deal with a heavy handed old god corrupted northrend that has been totally changed
and have the lich king as a somewhat neutral ally/enemy
tropic trail
I think we need the Return of the Black Empire\
sharp bluff
so is the lich king at this point, just a more localized one, we know he has been raising new minions, and he has new horseman,
he has also been around as a lich longer then arthas
dense plover
yes, but he still burns with holy light
tropic trail
No he hasn't
dense plover
ice crown is melting
yes he has
arthas became lich king in wc3
bolvar in wrath
wc3 to wrath was shorter than wrath to bfa
sharp bluff
Chances are the alliance will screw it up though by using his daughter as a bargaining chip too get him to do something, that is what I am thinking
he has been longer timewise though in game
sharp bluff
no one lets themself be used
dense plover
not listen
grizzled sleet
My guess is that Bolvar arc will be part of BFA
sour burrow
I still agree that a northrend revisitation is enticing plotwise. Hopefully they can arrange a better interface for timeline manipulation by then.
sharp bluff
Oh agree he would attack, that is why i think it would go south, horde doesn't know she exists, but alliance does, and I feel like the SI7 would use her, against her will, to try to use the Lich to do something
probably try to ask him nicely, then when he refuses she is used
But lets be real, we both know that won't happen peach, but it is nice to speculate on it, the beta is full of stuff to speculate on
dense plover
no it wont
sharp bluff
Plus Alliance can't be evil
dense plover
bolvar is something theyre going to hold on to until they need it
there isnt really space for a bolvar arc within it
after though
strange falcon
dense plover
azeroth wont wake up
dense plover
if she does the planet goes boom
sharp bluff
not enough pro-Alliance, you need more of that
dense plover
like with argus
grizzled sleet
not necessarily
dense plover
pretty much neccesarily
hidden sorrel
Since when did argus explode?
sharp bluff
when the titan woke up, that is why it is floating landmasses
dense plover
did you not notice the big chunk missing and all the floating land bits?
generally titans dont wake up on their own
hidden sorrel
Nah I didn't realize that part
strange falcon
you dont look around enough 🤔
hidden sorrel
I know the planets ruined
sharp bluff
- lets put it this way, Azeroth is alive because a titan is inside it, if titan leaves, chances are high azeroth as a planet will die
- for Azeroth to leave the inside of the planet, she has to get out somehow, and as far as we know no one is powerful enough to teleport a giant titan out of the planet.
- look at Argus
hidden sorrel
I just didn't know why
YOu think Azeroth could slip through the sword wound if we get the sword out?
dense plover
its like asking if a chick can get out of an egg through a crack in the shell
not without breaking it in half
sullen dagger
and if azeroth left the planet i guess the life would be pretty screwed
grizzled sleet
There is nothing that confirm that the awaken of Argus shattered the planet
sharp bluff
nothing to disprove it either
grizzled sleet
So it doesn't prove that azeroth will shatter the planet if she awaken
hidden sorrel
Honestly I feel like it was Sargeras who ripped it in half getting to Argus
grizzled sleet
Or maybe because the fel energy was used too much
hidden sorrel
He ripped it in half to get to the world soul
sullen dagger
chronicles 2 says something about that
grizzled sleet
no
hidden sorrel
The magni comic?
grizzled sleet
magni comic doesn't prove that
sullen dagger
lemme seach the paret
grizzled sleet
magni can't see the future, he just imagined the worse
and magni comic was about azeroth dying
no awakening
not*
hidden sorrel
^
Also, what about the Titans astral essence forms, if thats what it's called. when they're the ball of constellations. They seem pretty small and fluid there.
grizzled sleet
I think we didn't see whole argus, there is many unexplored zones
hidden sorrel
Oh yeah, we visited three floating islands, the entire planet is still there
hollow dock
the rest of argus is there adn we do land on it
but it's jus tmore black and green and legion
and the important bit is antorus
tropic trail
Like we haven't even discovered all of Azeroth yet
hidden sorrel
Yeah idk why we would want to go down there lorewise
tropic trail
Especially the back side
hidden sorrel
Why thou?
hollow dock
Because that's where antorus the burning throne is?
hidden sorrel
It's just fel and demons
hollow dock
the headquarters of the Burning Legion?
grizzled sleet
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/efe1c1df-f87f-4cd2-956b-1fd3c7ac9ced/zoom-crop/width/525/height/295 the part in the north isn't accessible et we didn't explore it, it will lead to larger maps
hollow dock
the whole point of us going to argus is to dismantle the legion. Which we did. We stopped their instant revives and have effectively neutered them
sharp bluff
back side of Azeroth is a giant Bermuda Triangle
hollow dock
Headcanon: Now they're in complete disarray. Eredar, Nathrezim, possibly even Pit Lords are all waring for control over the remnants of the burning legion by now.
hidden sorrel
No mb I always thought antoran wastes and krokuun were islands
hollow dock
no probs..
hidden sorrel
Like Mac'aree
grizzled sleet
Vris - Aujourd'hui à 21:57
the whole point of us going to argus is to dismantle the legion.
The whole point of us going to Kalimdor is to dismantle the horde
dense plover
fpr azeroth it isnt just the back btw
the area of azeroth is essentially one quarter of azeroth
the northern hemisphere
and only one side of it
theres another side at equal latitude
and then there is the bottom half of the planet
hollow dock
wait what
grizzled sleet
I don't think so
hollow dock
To be fair peach
dense plover
metzen said it wasnt
terse patrol
I can’t be the only person who thinks this comic had really inconsistent art.
hollow dock
pre-blowing up
hollow dock
Yes. that it's the only landmass
hollow dock
Chronicles vol 3
dense plover
especially with the whole - other side of azeroth where people disappear
hollow dock
Kraken exist.
Sea monsters do exist
and since they're not common here on this side, ther'es got to be a side where they all are coming from
World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1 hints that the Kalimdor landmass wasn't the only continent on Azeroth. World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 3 however states that the night elven empire was located on Azeroth's single landmass.
there it is peach
grizzled sleet
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/1/1e/Maelstromundersea.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20070305205636 Do you think we may see this map when we visit Nazjatar ? it's from an old book of 2006
dense plover
is tthere a specific quote?
old books arent canon anymore
im not doubting you
i just want to analyze it
hidden sorrel
I was so confused until I realized you were talking pre-sundering
hollow dock
I thought Nazjatar was next to the maelstrom o=
and here let me see if I can fetch ti real quick
tropic trail
It is..?
dense plover
because if it says "the night elven empire ruled the entire continent of kalimdor on azeroth"
that doesnt mean only one continent
dense plover
also, if anything were to be retcconned, no other continents would be the biggest one
grizzled sleet
There, at the bottom of the Maelstrom, the naga built for themselves a new city, Nazjatar, from which they would rebuild their power. It would take over ten thousand years before the naga would reveal their existence to the surface world.
does it mean it's underwater?
dense plover
old books are not canon
dense plover
whats it from then?
grizzled sleet
wow wiki say it was quoted on battlenet but the link was removed
jade basalt
Old books are canon (it's certain details/events within these books that may have been retconned by a more recent source, not the entire book). But this map was from an RPG book, and RPG books are not canon.
This is explained in the Wowpedia article about Nazjatar, the problem is that you used Wowwiki, which is largely out of date and defunct, instead of Wowpedia. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Nazjatar#In_the_RPG
grizzled sleet
It does only mean that she's the final boss of the second raid, it doesn't imply she will die, and I hope she don't 😦
zealous basalt
At least she is not kargath
hollow dock
"and that's 100...."
grizzled sleet
Poor naga if azshara dies 😦
terse patrol
I get the feeling that N'Zoth is going to be betrayed by Azshara, and she'll end up being the final boss. I just can't see them throwing away a character who's even bigger than Gul'dan.
grizzled sleet
why don't they make some characters change somehow, instead of just killing them because they were evil
meager warren
@hollow dock gul'dan was the main boss of two expacs tho. It might be the same for BfA
hollow dock
no he wasnt
meager warren
WoD and Legion?
hollow dock
he was a side boss in Legion and wasnt even seen until the second to last fight in WoD
hollow dock
you hear him in Mannaroths fight
das it
then you get a cinematic of him as if he was always there
meager warren
No but he was the leader of the Shadow Council, which was the leading circle of The Iron Horde
hollow dock
no it wasnt lol
the shadow council was dethroned
thats how the iron horde was made
uncut vault
grizzled sleet
uncut vault
Mfw people are now saying Sylvanas hates her sisters
meager warren
But the Iron Horde wouldn't exist without Gul'dan and the Shadow Council
uncut vault
meager warren
Fiesty. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
terse patrol
man i really didnt like the art or the writing in this comic
dapper cosmos
Wheres that taken from?
hollow dock
probably a scenario area that's on the world map of BFA
ruby star
Stormsong Valley
Shimmering Shallows
I don't have a water strider
so Can't get over there quick enough without dying
hollow dock
make a dk
hollow dock
ah ok scenario area
uncut vault
It’s just a small island with a few drust pillars and an empty cave
That’s the uninstanced version
tulip sun
I hate Vereesa
But gotta say the part with her kids was really neat
So
Interesting comic
I kinda really likedit.
Makes me like vereesa more- but dislike alleria a lot less.
I worded that wrong
I like Vereesa a lot more now; but dislike Alleria.
grizzled sleet
uncut vault
I didn’t expect the comic to be mostly about Vereesa but I’m happy it was
tulip sun
I hated Vereesa before.....now I am a bit more to liking her.
uncut vault
I’m glad they’re sticking to her being the grounding force
strange falcon
inb4 high elves confirmed because vereesa got a comic,just watch the forums blow up
tulip sun
Alleria was kind of a bitch though
zealous basalt
Alleria was being the big sister
hollow dock
^
also void influence. It's going to make you aggressive.
but even then Alleria is naturally a very aggressive person
tulip sun
Those voices got me worried
grizzled sleet
I wonder if it's N'Zoth whispering
zealous basalt
But Alleria just doesn't care
zealous basalt
I mean she said in Legion that she heard the voices
hollow dock
It's not. The beings of the void are doin it to her. =/
zealous basalt
Its not the first time she have heard it
grizzled sleet
those voices are more evil than Xal'atath
hollow dock
When you deal with the void/old gods
you will get those whispers constantly
cmon now guys D= it aint a new thing
grizzled sleet
Xal'atath seems more human compared to these voices
uncut vault
The whole “she serves the true enemy” thing is still what interests me most. Obviously it’s manipulation but the light not being the voids true enemy is interesting
hollow dock
Well think of it this way Port.
Void can always consume and corrupt Light
but Void has been on record has either not affecting, or being greatly resisted, by dead beings
Whatever you can't consume properly, that would be your true enemy
Xal'atath even notes that naaru, the manifestations of Light, are just wayward siblings.
zealous basalt
You talk like it is the first time we have seen void stuff
hollow dock
I'm bringing up all the stuff that's been referenced to help explain and spell out points that Im making. Not everyone remembers anything so getting hte sources helps a lot.
zealous basalt
Yeah, but people seem to forgot that not everything that the void says is correct, so perpahs all the voices were there trying to make alleria crazy
hollow dock
that is also true. But that's no fun to just assume nothing they say is true :(
uncut vault
I keep thinking about Sylvanas’ line from the Vol’jin death cinematic
“In the end, death claims us all”
I’m totally betting that will be Sylvanas’ redemption
Being correct about the hell that awaits
hollow dock
pls no
I dont want a sylvanas redemption
let her be evil and a monster. let someone in this universe be irredeemable
uncut vault
She will be redeemed, might not fit the story but the fandom would implode if she died
Got more fans than any other character
rich apex
Like I appreciate Sylvanas's arc
But i still have yet to see anyone who actually likes her as a person
meager warren
Does Nathanos count as someone who likes her?
rich apex
Yes but that's beside the point
hollow dock
who said she has to die?
rich apex
I keep hearing people say that ~the community~ is in love with Sylvanas
hollow dock
Just leave her being irredeemable
meager warren
Wdym it's beside the point
rich apex
But all I ever actually see is people crying about her being an evil bitch
And aggressively ignoring any kind of depth she has
meager warren
On reddit, i posted a comment saying i main undead and hate her
It got downvoted quite a bit
zealous basalt
Doesnt Nathanos get a little freaked
Because she started to kill forsaken thar seem to leave her?
meager warren
Probably the only people that like her have a messed up morality
zealous basalt
Ye
meager warren
And main undead
zealous basalt
Even some undead main dislike her
hollow dock
nah
When that happens
She spins it as 'killing dissidents'
so nathanos is on board 100%
balmy ingot
hi guys
i need to info about Druid Travel Fly riding
it gonna nerfed?
to only max 150% speed?
hollow dock
You get flight form automatically O.o
balmy ingot
well i am surpised cuz it say NEW
hollow dock
Probably thanks to the new glyphs for travel form
which break up the flight form, swim and travel forms
balmy ingot
NEW Flight Form Your Travel Form allows you to fly and increases your movement speed by 150%.
Requires Riding to be trained.
zealous basalt
Y no chi cloud
balmy ingot
?
zealous basalt
Chi Flight from monks is still capped at low speeds
balmy ingot
i am talking about form fly Druid
zealous basalt
Thata why I put "whY not chi cloud"
balmy ingot
sorry i do not understand
i just wanted to know if Druid Fly form is still same as legion
happen in BFA
uncut vault
They’re just making a few passive versions so you can glyph them
Now you can have a travel glyph and a flight glyph
balmy ingot
okay thanks
tropic trail
I think we need 400% flying