They hadn't added achieves for the other allied race leaders.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
uncut vault
Well theres separate achieves for HoA levels
hollow dock
Why would they add em for those two? o=
grizzled sleet
Ursoc's Endurance : When you use Barkskin or Survival Instincts, absorb 208 damage over 8 sec.
Getting this x3 azeritee armor means 624 absorb for heroic gear
is 624 HP for heroic gear any good for tanks?
hollow dock
Doesn't sound all that great but who knows
might scale a lot better with actual gear/stats
uncut vault
at max level, thats about 25% of one incinerate from a lock
tropic trail
It'd be something neat
uncut vault
that looks like a leveling trait anyways
tropic trail
Tsk, how many new factions are coming?
grizzled sleet
Some traits are good for mythic+ survival like
Duck and Cover Using Feign Death allows you to absorb 208 damage over 6 sec, and Feign Death's cooldown is reduced to 25 seconds.
Shrouded Mantle Cloak of Shadows heals you for 208 every 1 sec, plus an additional 77 for each effect it negates.
tropic trail
for rep
uncut vault
10, 6 per side
tropic trail
Math
hollow dock
ah ok
grizzled sleet
neutral factions are Champions of Azeroth and? what is second one?
uncut vault
Tortollans
grizzled sleet
ah
tropic trail
I'm just hoping we won't have a situation like HFC for next expac
uncut vault
Peach, I cant find any trees out of place
hollow dock
peach is going around and taking pictures
grizzled sleet
Why not samsung trees ? 
uncut vault
oh good, they finally added stuff to basements
tropic trail
Oh..
dense plover
ok
i have just a preliminary set
these are from holes in the world to clearly fast placed and unfinished bits
1 sec
finishing upload album
grizzled sleet
can dark iron dwarf be rogues?
dense plover
grizzled sleet
I was just thinking about rogue dark iron dwarf with this azerite trait :
Shrouded Mantle Cloak of Shadows heals you for 208 every 1 sec, plus an additional 77 for each effect it negates.
and their racial : Fireblood: Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and increases your primary stat by 100 for each effect removed. Lasts 8 sec. 2 min cooldown.
uncut vault
first alpha build, that was a mess
dense plover
oh its definitely better
but some of these have been around for like 8 builds
and they arent getting fixed
and i dont know why
uncut vault
been mostly focusing on the actual hub, from what ive seen
Tradewinds has gotten most of the touchup wortk
dense plover
they need to fix this stuff though
its easily forgotten and on launch, very embarrassing
sour burrow
They do. It's a bit awkward how much is still left to fix up.
Just keep reporting. Remember, locational info among other things are reported when you submit a bug.
sour burrow
So going to a problem area and shouting BUG HERE!!! Is very effective.
Aye, stating for others who may not realize.
Oh btw, speaking of fixed bugs, apparently they fixed something in the temple of the devoted.
Not the missing voices sadly but...
dense plover
theres still a lot of weird terrain bugs there
sour burrow
They fixed the time paradox.
dense plover
specifically near the stairs
what do you mean?
there was no paradox
alliance gets first one
horde gets the second and third
sour burrow
But previously, sulthis' keystone was present for the alliance when placing Vorrik's.
sour burrow
It may have been that long ago, but I haven't been able to check for about that long.
dense plover
hhorde end hasnt changed
sour burrow
Yeah.
dense plover
alliance couldve, i only just did it
sour burrow
Right. Alliance side is the problem.
dense plover
was 😛
sour burrow
Aye.
dense plover
each zone does have a timeline though
sour burrow
But now, no more time paradox.
dense plover
nazmir - alliance comes after horde, voldun - alliance comes before, zandalar - unsure
zuldazar i mean
probably after horde but idk
sour burrow
Alliance officially saves Vorrik first in exclusion of the Horde. Then they leave, Vorrik gets captured rather than poisoned, they get Sulthis' stone then.
Meaning Vorrik met the alliance first.
sour burrow
I know. Just nice to have it official.
dense plover
horde come to the temple with a crystal already there
and the nazmir one you know because hireek is already dead
sour burrow
Yeah, but so did alliance for a while, lol.
dense plover
so it happens later
sour burrow
Neat, hadn't done nazmir yet for horde.
dense plover
horde kills hireek
and since he is dead for alliance
it happens after
i havent done alliance zuldazar so i dont know
sour burrow
With the time paradox solved rather than ambiguous, it opens alliance doors for the Sethrak a bit more cleanly than neutral paradoxical content does. I am happy they care.
dense plover
oh yeah xibala
yeah so alliance arrives just after horde
but they get the eye
which the horde then steals back
so that means linear story wise it probably goes this way for horde: zuldazar, nazmir, voldun
especially sicne in the finale, mythraxx has just made it to zuldazar
sour burrow
That's some cool stuff. Like, the fact that it actually matters.
dense plover
for alliance, im pretty sure the order is - Tiragarde, Drustvar, Stormsong
and that horde goes to stormsong after the questing experience
but they had already been there first
since you the player arrive with the fort burning and the alliance player is the one who burns it
sour burrow
Oh neat. I hadn't done stormsong, zulzadar, and nazmir for their natives.
dense plover
theyre some of the best zones
drustvar is pretty good too
and so is tiragarde
stormsong has quilboar
i like it a lot because my first char was a tauren
so that was a lot of my first wow experience
heavy nostalgia
sour burrow
Heh.
I think my classic beta was tauren warrior.
I loved climbing those green hills. Unfortunately you can't quite make it to the top in the south west of zulzadar. I got really close, tho.
That will be a fun guide to read later. War campaign chronological order guide, heh. Well I had reported that Sulthis' stone thing so I am glad they fixed the bug. Didn't realize the other zones had such strong chronology as well, but it makes sense now how obvious it should have been a bug.
dense plover
For horde war campaigns I’m pretty sure we go to drustvar after alliance, and for tiragarde, horde might get there first, but it’s unclear since the take don’t particularly overlap
I’m sure someone will figure it out
sour burrow
Drust at doesn't really overlap either, it seems like.
Drustvar
Both of those footholds are a little isolated..?
still lily
My friend told me you get access to beta if you preorder now. Is that true?
grizzled sleet
It's not true, because I don't have access to beta
mint heath
So does anyone know much about the new guild system coming in BfA?
uncut vault
theres no new guild system, just communities, wowhead just put out a post
mint heath
So a person can't join more than 1 guild then right?
dense plover
no'
meager warren
why would you want to join more than one guild?
that seems kinda counterproductive
dawn citrus
dense plover
communities?
you can be cross server
they have calendars
the only thing communities dont have is perks and guild bank
sour burrow
Hey peachman, if you're there, this one's for you. :)
DM me some tips if you feel like something needs some tweaking.
uncut vault
Very well made guide
sullen dagger
ok how about this:
to fly on older content is enough to have the latest pathfinder
that means, if you have unlocked the legion you can fly on wod
or if you get the bfa, you can fly on legion content and wod
that would be quite logical from my point of view
and dont know why they dont implement that
fallow pilot
I dont think you need that. Since flying (Imo) destroys it
You wont see the Map or meet new players if you fly from one spot to another
grizzled sleet
They have to unlock each one, they have to travel across the land, searchin' far and wide, for achievements, to understand the power that's inside
hollow dock
WoD wasn't that bad. It was just empty
strange falcon
yea,the zones and raids themselves looked good,it was just way too empty
grizzled sleet
I still need to unlock wod flying 
hollow dock
there was just a big lack of content :x what little we did get was great for the most part
grizzled sleet
I didn't play whole Wod until last 4-5 months so I had much things to do
still I didn't unlock flying
do tortollan emissaires give reputation for other factions like Kirin Tor?
half burrow
dense plover
no
tortollan has their own faction
but a wq in a zone gives rep with its faction and the zone's faction
so if you do a tortollan quest in nazmir, it will give tortollan rep and then either nazmir rep for horde, or war faction rep for alliance
grizzled sleet
Oh I see, thanks
sour burrow
Do we have anything for Champions of Azeroth yet..? lol
hollow dock
nope
sullen dagger
y
grizzled sleet
@hollow dock every reputation reward gear 340 to 355 ? is it 340 for honored and 355 exalted?
grizzled sleet
So we got everything up to 355 except weapons, cool
dense plover
no azerite gear from vendors
meager warren
Champions of Azeroth? wat dis
grizzled sleet
@dense plover I found some azerite gear in thee wowhead thing and it says reputation vendors as source
I got it, all azerite reputation gear are sold by Magni for Champions of Azeroth reputation.
examples :
http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=161555/azerothian-champions-crown?azerite-powers=9
http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=161557/vest-of-the-azerothian-champion?azerite-powers=4
so there is 355 head / chest / shoulder for each type of armor with Champions of Azeroth rep
restive sage
i wanna play bfa 😦
sour burrow
He also sells two pets.
@dense plover Did you get a chance to look at that sethrak guide thing I posted?
vague prism
yea but in molten core even
steel venture
yea since its... the new HD earth elemental model
which applies to the black lavastone ones too
hollow dock
yes. As I said, it's retroactive for everything that shares that specific model.
vague prism
guess ill have to put new pic of garr on my wall that i throw darts at every time no binding drops
vague prism
my buddy and i ran molten core and ragnoros killed him and my pet warrior and hunter hope it get fixed if not 110s falling to level 60 raid bosses will be fun to record
hollow dock
numbers aren't properly implemented
Tuning is all over the place. when those changes happen
that's when it'll get fixed
vague prism
i just thought it was hillarus watching him get 1 shot then my pet then he turns to me and dies
dense plover
it wont stay like that
no number tuning has been done
and a new 'old raid/dungeon' buff needs to be added
prisma shadow
Is anyone else having a issue with getting dced whenever you open the guild tab?
tropic trail
Are DI Dwarf racials better in PVP than current dwarf racials?
meager warren
if they are, something's wrong
terse patrol
dark irons are the master race tho
hollow dock
Do we know what the DI racials even do?
Oh so we do
Fireblood seems pretty good for PVP.
a self cleanse.
that indoor movespeed can be pretty guchi on arena but not really that useless
tropic trail
Is it better than norm dwarf racials though?
kind of hard to decide since the only racials I care about are similar
hollow dock
depends on if you value that over physical damage reduction ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic trail
Anyone know when we will be able to copy toons over to beta from live?
undone sphinx
depends if you value passives over stuff that triggers gcd
hollow dock
Both racials trigger the GCD
so that's not really an issue?
also last I checked
the racials are off the GCD
nova turret
Got to 113 in a few hours today...so many bug reports
Lots to clean up in 2.5 m onths
jovial coral
What are some good racial ideas for broken?
Or just good racial ideas in general I'm making a list for the races I want to see playable
jovial coral
I can't think of anything for jinyu
Besides water breathing
Would a racial that removes GCDs temporarily be okay?
uncut vault
would be insanely OP, even for a few seconds
jovial coral
Yeah I'm just running low on ideas here
dense plover
heres one
if youre thinking jinyu, a version of farsight with more limited range
boom
think about the race
then think about something unique about them
jinyu are known for using the waters to see visions
jovial coral
Ahh yeah I actually figured some out just now
2% increased damage done and healing received in water.
jovial coral
Healing too?
jovial coral
K
dense plover
dmg taken by 1% for highmountain is ok
but its not significant
and dmg taken is after it is reduced by armor and stuff
so its a lot smaller than it could be
dense plover
2% is too much
and increasing a stat like that is insane
speed increase by like 4% sure
jovial coral
But it's in water so it's very situational
dense plover
huh
so theyre tying in the black dragons on the island
interesting
i wonder if they plan to expand on his story
uncut vault
the uncorrupted black dragons might make more sense now
dense plover
maybe theyll have some side stories related to islands
and we dont know about them because they arent in beta
or there will be more and its being implemented later to avoid spoilers?
idk
jade basalt
Probably a quest-starting item dropping from an island that allows you to start the Wrathion questline
rich apex
I mean if it's part of a meta achievement for two dozen different quest item drops
It sure doesn't look like it's part of a specific Wrathion questline
(tho it could be a set up for one in the future)
(in before Wrathion bets on Sylvanas wiping out the Alliance so Azeroth is prepared for the Void)
uncut vault
more likely its just setting up other storylines, explaining what each faction on the islands are doing
Wrathion doesnt seem to lead the uncorrupted black dragons, but he might have answers
muffinus just tweeted about it, so he clearly wants us to see it
jade basalt
And the quest literally asks you to bring the scale to Wrathion in Blackrock Mountain so yes, it's fair to say it likely starts the Wrathion questline.
uncut vault
well the wording is ambiguous
uncut vault
Id be pessimistic and say its misleading if muffinus didnt tweet about it
its definitely gonna mean/lead to something
jovial coral
I got my hopes up
ruby prawn
strange falcon
Can the guard see me looting this body? and "i cast frostbolt into the darkness" are pretty good tho
hollow dock
you see people dunked into the murloc pool and ripped to shreds
daring wind
Oh and the upside down graveyard under Kharazhan....
hollow dock
Karazhan in general*
daring wind
Kharazhan itself is just spooky fun
hollow dock
Ever been down the slut quarters?
strange falcon
black temple cough
strange falcon
i played this game when i was 9 🤔
hollow dock
the early 2000s were a simplier time
nova turret
Anyone able to get the missions board working (horde)? Can click on the map but it's blank
lapis owl
hello.. uh I think this has already been asked a lot of times, but how do the Azerite traits work? I know how to get them (I think), but can you change them somehow, within the same piece of gear? or once you're locked in a choice, no way to change it back?
lapis owl
oh nice, what does it cost, gold?
uncut vault
theres a reforger who changes it for you, you put it in the slot and pay gold to reset
starts low at 5 gold, doubles each time
will reset after a while
lapis owl
ah, so like the old talents back in the days
uncut vault
yeah, but on a per item basis
lapis owl
nice, thank you very much
grizzled sleet
@uncut vault is the 5 gold and double each time valid for each azerite piece or each time you use the reforger?
hollow dock
[8:05 AM] Portergauge: yeah, but on a per item basis(edited) @grizzled sleet
grizzled sleet
Ok 😃
latent valley
is there a way to complete the speaker of the horde quest ? im stuck at the great seal explored 😃
tropic trail
@daring wind XD I mean, Blizzard loves putting in real life references in game. Who's the real bad here? I'm just pointing out.
ruby star
Anyone know how to get to Siltihus quickly on Beta?
hollow dock
Portal to caverns of time and fly over?
ruby star
oooh yeah forgot about that thanks xD
worn rune
Portal to Uldum
hollow dock
or yea portal to uldum that works too
worn rune
There's a portal to caverns of time?
sage tapir
yes, in dalaran
hollow dock
You can also, if you never took the quest and finished it, from the bronze dragons in the main cities of Stormwind and Orgrimmar
I think her names Ziridormi?
She teleports you to End time and you can just run out and fly to wherever
nova turret
Anyone have a particular guild on Beta doing dungeons amd raids when avail?
limber mural
So if Titanstrike (and Hati, by extension) is going away in BfA, do we know if there'll be any way for BMs to cosmetically have 2 pets? Whether mogging Titanstrike shows two pets, sorta like with Aluneth and such?
limber mural
I ask only cause I want to still be able to do this
also that idea is copyrighted by me pls no take
hollow dock
it's already done on l ive
and no that wont carry into BFA
cuz no hati
it's just an extra pet that exists
tulip sun
Oh myyrel in HOTS is how draenei models should look
ruby star
Anyone else having problems on teh quest FOrced labour in Stormsong?
Won't let me hand in the quest (reported it)
worked now took ages
sharp bluff
so the High Overlord Yrel is the next hero?
rich apex
praise yrel
hollow dock
I dont think they're supposed to be that thick
or have horns that big
the tails spot on tho
sharp bluff
I wonder if one of her skins will show us how blinded by the light she is? 🤔
tulip sun
hollow dock
ye
tulip sun
I am sure they will add a high exarch one in the future
I like the model
I wish the wow model was more like that, would match the males better
hollow dock
I too wish WoW was built on SC2s engine
hollow dock
That we got models built on the SC2 engine.
I too wish for it. I am agreeing with you
sharp bluff
are.. are those tentacles or horns?
tulip sun
I mean you know, longer tails and a bit larger like the males.
hollow dock
Horns
sharp bluff
on the harley skin?
hollow dock
No. she has no 'horns' there
she has ponytails
pig tails*
and those are little 'devil' horns
tulip sun
She has a headband with sparkly pink ones oj it
hollow dock
cuz its Harley
sharp bluff
making sure they are horns, had to make sure, they looked like they had suction cups on them
tulip sun
Maybe in the next model remake in the long future, the draenei females will get an update like this
hollow dock
maybe they'll get thighs thick enough to crush skulls
tulip sun
They dont really match their male counterparts much
hollow dock
I mean. Why do night elf females have thin arms but the males have thick ass muscles?
sharp bluff
remember the old unused gnome joke they have?
sharp bluff
they use it? I thought they ditched the vibrate gnomes line
tulip sun
Still, this is a bit more of a drastic difference
hollow dock
ikr?
tulip sun
I want a long tail so bad
sharp bluff
I miss all the dirty unused voice lines lol, and some of the removed ones
hollow dock
Looking over em, that'sthe only one that's been removed.
All the others had theirs moved to /flirt or are still there
sharp bluff
Well for them yes
Troll's Two Dwarf was removed
was a fun war time chant
I think a few others were removed but i forget
hollow dock
Trolls and the Draenei one had them removed. but apparently even the demons have jokes
apparently wrathguards have wives
hollow dock
ye
sour burrow
http://discord.gg/ZKPK65p Now shinier than ever! :P
terse patrol
eh
I peeked in there
But it gives me Scaley vibes.
And Scaleys are furries but for reptiles.
terse patrol
nah i’m good
rich apex
Hey man, you do you
I'm just gonna wait for the official confirmation before getting excited 😛
terse patrol
seeing a lizard person with a thong aint my dealio
drifting current
Each to their own eh
rich apex
I don't want to be in that channel when Ion says 'if you want to play snake people, roll an Argonian on ESO'
sharp bluff
So a cult? 😆
rich apex
hail sithis baby
sharp bluff
now is when i wish i had a black hand emote
sour burrow
Wth thong thing are you talking about? lol
Also we cleaned a few things up and are in the process of getting more mods and some baseline rules.
drifting current
It’s a great system and server
molten gyro
Blizz please fix Fairwind's friends. Flynn is missing!!
dense plover
why are you asking here?
this isnt blizzard
make a report ingame
and post on the bug report fforum
molten gyro
I didn't ask a question. Maybe someone else playing has the same issue? and I did report it.
uncut vault
I like that opening shot for the comic
sharp bluff
So an alliance comic, a comic about our good friend the dwarf, and one about the sisters, I wonder if we will get a horde one
dense plover
no
only 3 comics
which means this one either makes sylvanas the one people sympathize with
or we find out in one of the animations that she didnt mean to burn the tree
because otherwise there is some serious unequal treatment of horde going on
pro alliance
pro neutral
no pro horde
thats actually bad
floral gyro
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221667548863791104/453292391001227295/9be598e9917ad9bb1d76d86d7b1809bb.jpg doesn't look bad
it's only the faces that are fucked
hollow dock
The comic about the sisters is your horde one
sharp bluff
If you say so
uncut vault
is it confirmed that theres only three?
sharp bluff
Doesn’t seem pro horde though
uncut vault
Interesting that they actually change vereesas look a bit based on fan designs
her shoulderpads are now golden instead of green
uncut vault
in game, the rogue armor she uses has green crystals all over it
hollow dock
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/thumb/6/69/Alleria_Cropped.jpg/638px-Alleria_Cropped.jpg?version=10482baa32ebb07d702becbc31220b04 looks gold to me? O.o
hollow dock
Oh vereesa
uncut vault
but really, was it confirmed that theres only three comics?
uncut vault
Legion had 3 before the patch and one after
I assumed it would be the same here
my bets are, now that this third one is a windrunner comic, that the post-launch one will be about anduin and saurfang
hollow dock
Yes. There is a blue post stating its one of three comics
wild pewter
So is the full comic out?
hollow dock
no
wild pewter
Cool ty
rich apex
Gotta get into pissing matches over how much Sylvie cares about people for another week or so
Before we find out if she actually cares about people
uncut vault
Could I see it Vris? genuinely curious
agile token
uncut vault
all I can see about the jaina one is "Join Jaina Proudmoore in “Reunion,” the first in a series of digital comics leading up to Battle for Azeroth."
uncut vault
nothing wrong about the possibility of more comics
sharp bluff
Would be nice to see a pro horde one
Would be crazy nice (read as impossible) to see a Lich King one also since his daughter is around
wild pewter
dense plover
it isnt exactly relevant right now tbh
wild pewter
Interview with Christie Golden and one of the questions asked was;
wild pewter
"Why did you decide to focus on the Windrunner sisters for one of the three comics leading up to Battle for Azeroth?"
sharp bluff
Shame then
sharp bluff
No I mean the no pro horde comic part
dense plover
oh
sharp bluff
Since only 3
sharp bluff
Unlikely, but I’ll keep my hopes up
dense plover
we are
dense plover
one of them at least is supposed to show the burning of the tree and how it actually happens
grizzled sleet
It happened with legion when Horde got a cinematic and alliance didn't (Voljin death and sylvanas became Warchief), later alliance got the special quest with Anduin. There may be something for the horde at a later point here too
dense plover
i really dont think the horde is supposed to burn it
its supposed to be captured
and something goes wrong
uncut vault
well at least we know why theyre releasing Before the Storm so late now
sharp bluff
In before the next allied race is “lightsaved Forsaken” for alliance 😆
uncut vault
wanted to get these comics out first for timelines sake
dense plover
yeah
grizzled sleet
actually next allied races are kultiran and zandalar
uncut vault
oh hey, actual confirmation that Vereesa didnt know she was going to be killed by sylvanas
grizzled sleet
then maybe vulpeera and sethrak
uncut vault
maybe all the people that called her a moron can shut up now
sharp bluff
After those Mimig, we know the announced ones already lol
And when they are going to be released
uncut vault
she was going to be in War Crimes
dense plover
book spoilers?
sharp bluff
Next ones are actually orcs/dwarves though Mimig
uncut vault
Sylvanas planned on killing her and making her undead like her
grizzled sleet
isn't vareessa somewhere in the beta now?
dense plover
im trying to avoid book spoilers
sharp bluff
Trolls/ fat humans are last of the known ones
uncut vault
and everyone assumed Vereesa knew and that she was gonna leave her kids behind and die
uncut vault
and by everyone I mean people on the story forums who hate the windrunners
uncut vault
"I would also say that Sylvanas is ineffably lonely. She commands an army, but she has no one she can truly identify with. " peers at the cadre of dark rangers she commands
sharp bluff
Still better then another illidan story 🤷
grizzled sleet
sharp bluff
Speaking of beta, Murky in it yet peach?
dense plover
dont think so
hollow dock
why would he be in it?
dense plover
^
sharp bluff
Probably WQ then
sour burrow
600mb patch, why? Hm.
mrpeach do you know anything about the download manifest for this?
sharp bluff
Well he had his own series of quests/ world quests, guessing a tribe/clan/group of friendly Murlocs would be important
sour burrow
b.26734 -> b.26766
hollow dock
Well that was because of the dude from D.H.E.T.A.
He wanted to get hte murlocs in against hte Legion
and it worked
sort of
sharp bluff
Demon Hunters Eat Tasty Animals, yes go on
hollow dock
Its actually Druids for the Ethical and Humane treatment of Animals :p
An extremist group in the Cenarion Circle meant to parody P.E.TA.
sharp bluff
I know lol, mine sounds more fun
uncut vault
alleria holds her bow backwards
sharp bluff
????
uncut vault
they made that bug canon
ruby star
Theres a 50% chance vereesa dies, she has her eyes closed while the other two don't but who knows we can onlym speculate
uncut vault
in game, theres a bug with alleria's bow where she holds it backwards, with the guard facing towards her thigh
now the comic has her holding it like that in canon
terse patrol
maybe sylvanas would have meaningful relationships if she didnt demand sycophants
uncut vault
the achieve that the wrathion quest goes along with actually has a LOT of story set up
we return to people like cho, and Vydhar the living tree
valarjar too, hinting at helyas return
meager warren
:murloc:
uncut vault
going back to the friendly nerubians, interesting
sour burrow
@dense plover Is there a way to view the details of the patch manifest? And what's your opinion on why wowmv suddenly stopped being able to load the beta at all? Because of the Win32 change or something, perhaps?
b.26734 -> b.26766
600mb patch
uncut vault
"The tendril writhes and pulsates in your hand as your mind is assailed by all manner of vicious thoughts. One vision in particular surfaces in your mind again and again. In your mind's eye, you picture a many-eyed goat laying in a pool of black water. As you approach, its eyes burst open, and in an instant you find yourself looking upward at the goat from deep within the puddle. As you sink into the icy darkness, everything goes black. You pocket the mass and shake the thoughts from your head."
terse patrol
@uncut vault wots that from
sour burrow
All the little things they're adding in this time. So strange. :)
dense plover
i dont know
i dont know the tech behind datamining
im a nerd
but im not that kind of nerd
😛
tropic trail
So.
tropic trail
For the Comics, we have one with an alliance MC and alliance Supporting cast. One with a neutral MC and alliance supporting cast. On with two alliance and one horde MC and alliance supporting cast. I smell salt in the air.
tulip sun
It obviously turns out terrible
grizzled sleet
I am excited for everything, the comic, the book, the pre-patch and bfa
ruby star
nevermind it was like 90 mb or something
it's updating again, maybe we have got a build
It broke apparently
grizzled sleet
it's not a build, just a patch
adding some music files that still not used or smthing like this
jade basalt
Well by definition it's a build.
sour burrow
I wish I had a few more datamining contacts for times like this.
meager warren
that's implying you have any
sour burrow
I do. :)
meager warren
pics or it didn't happen
sour burrow
https://github.com/wowdev/wow-listfile I got taught about this stuff by someone, so there's that. :P
But my friend and I are still relative novices compared to say, wowhead staff.
grizzled sleet
here is everything added in this patch / build : files https://bnet.marlam.in/dbcdiff.php?dbc=manifestinterfacedata.db2&old=a726643206440d57779cf9a8c4e53049&new=ce7e28efe372ec678b2f03f848c58393 mp3 files : https://bnet.marlam.in/dbcdiff.php?dbc=manifestmp3.db2&old=a726643206440d57779cf9a8c4e53049&new=ce7e28efe372ec678b2f03f848c58393
grizzled sleet
sour burrow
So then manifestinterfacedata.db2 is the main one I'd want to look at?
grizzled sleet
no, everything, but these 2 files are the only one who changed between the 2 builds I guess, for example if you select achievement.db2 it will tell you "Either file contents did not change between builds, or something went wrong with extraction/conversion/diffing (errors should be above). DBC dumping is still a WIP and relies on incomplete definitions. Sorry!"
so there is no changes between older and new build
sour burrow
Aha. https://bnet.marlam.in/diff.php This is the useful link, then, it seems.
Oh wow.
The diff between the previous build. So many things, haha.
grizzled sleet
hum? I see just 4 files
grizzled sleet
they are added but unused
grizzled sleet
maybe they are compressed so they can't be accessed
there is more than 300 mp3 file unused
dense plover
placeholders
they dont do anything
might mean that we see new stuff next build
so tomorrow maybe
sour burrow
[MODIFIED] dbfilesclient/chrraces.db2 (lookup: 05953cfa862d4f2f, content md5: 987dcc58ebee1dc2e31ba07078c656b2, FileData ID: 1305311)
It teeeeases.
uncut vault
"We recommend updating to the 64-bit version of the game before July 1, 2018, to ensure your World of Warcraft gaming experience is unaffected." think this line from the system update thing means anything?
dense plover
means prepatch is probably coming in july
and people might forget over the week of 4th of july
theyre arent going to push prepatch before 4th of july
fierce sky
Well, they did launch WoD right before Thanksgiving iirc. I could see a July 3 pre patch. It is just a 1 day holiday and is in the middle of the week this time.
rich apex
A month-ish beforehand seems fair
dense plover
they dont do launches anymore around holidays after that
rich apex
I mean wasn't WoD
s main thing there fiddling with the new garrison phasing tech
And no new game feature survives contact with the entire player base
rich apex
I was on a break, so luckily I missed that entirely 😛
dense plover
that isnt even similar to 2-3 days before a major holiday
rich apex
But I'd figure there's gonna be 5-6 million people logging in on launch day
No matter what that day of launch is
fierce sky
When has been the earliest pre patch?
rich apex
But yeah, 4 weeks-ish before launch is probable for 8.0
dense plover
6 weeks is standard
grizzled sleet
the earliest prepatch was cata 8 weeks
dense plover
my guess is preload will start earlier
fierce sky
Well, we are assuming the BfA prepatch is going to be heavily time gated too with the story being strung out over weeks.
Sort of like Legion’s ramping invasions.
grizzled sleet
Prepatch :
4 weeks before Wrath.
8 weeks before Cataclysm.
4 wees before Mists of Pandaria
4 weeks before Warlords of Dreanor
6 weeks before Legion.
fierce sky
So that would be the 3rd.
dense plover
especially for number tuning
fierce sky
Of july
dense plover
huh
well that wont happen
so maybe 5 weeks?
or even 4
there isnt a ton of content
2 scenarios for each faction
about 10 world quests
thats about it
rich apex
There is that
rich apex
We stiiiill haven't seen the last bit of Silithus
tropic trail
Then UC
dense plover
it wont launch july third tho
tropic trail
I think, 6 weeks could be expected
tropic trail
why not?
dense plover
july 4th is a national holiday
blizzard is closed on july 4th
they even give notice in the launcher that maintenance might take longer or might be delayed every july 4th
there is no way they will release prepatch the day before everyone isnt there
tropic trail
Ah, don't know mch about american holidays
dense plover
if shit hits the fan, the shit would just keep hitting
since no one would be there to help
the 10th is more likely
tropic trail
Maybe they'll just activate the Silithus-Phase for everyone then
dense plover
i still suspect the 17th
silithus phase is 110+ only
and its already active for everyone isnt it?
tropic trail
Nope
dense plover
u sure? i thought it became active for everyone about a week after the last lfr wing
tropic trail
If you don't have at least an Argus kill on your account, you still see the classic stuff
I mean, I can log in and look it up
grizzled sleet
Legion prepatch had invasions that helped with leveling and were repeating every now and then, BFA is 2 scénarios (time gated i guess) unlocking world quests, i think it's enough for 4 weeks
sharp bluff
idk, if we get another xp-fest like legion, I am completely fine with 8 weeks
grizzled sleet
this time you gain reputation with all alliance factions with the new world quests
tropic trail
What's the second scneario?
uncut vault
wouldnt be 8 weeks, Id say itll be at most 5 weeks
tropic trail
The Teldrassil stuff is open world afaik
uncut vault
darkshore stuff is all open world, yes
grizzled sleet
Ok but lordaeron scenario and teldrassil quests should be time gated no?
they don't happen at the same time
dense plover
silithis -> teldrassil attack -> post teldrassil -> undercity
fierce sky
Also, when is that artifact instability coming? That should be before pre patch.
tropic trail
That sounds about right
dense plover
they decided against it
fierce sky
When did they say that?
dense plover
unless it happens during prepatch
theres just been no evidence they are doing anything with it
theres no retirement scenario
fierce sky
Well, the Seething Shore thing came plopped down from nowhere
fierce sky
It was in the middle of the patch with no warning.
uncut vault
teldrassil attack doesnt happen first, invasion into darkshore does
uncut vault
no, the first part is just a series of quests that open up week 1 of the world quests
sour burrow
I am thoroughly confused by the steps aside from teldrasil into lorderon with prison escape as part of bfa.
uncut vault
the stuff wowhead got is what will launch on day one, we wont get the actual burning for at least a week
probably longer
tropic trail
I still think the artifact retirement will be the first step of Prepatch
fierce sky
Do we know if the bat and hippogryph mounts are pre patch only?
tropic trail
As you get wepaons for the quests
fierce sky
Relics still will work. Just not traits
dense plover
theyre giving weapons for all the people who start the expac after its open
since the burning and stuff will probably still be part of the story
otherwise youll be very confused
uncut vault
the weapon is the same as the one you get at the beginning of legion
for fresh levelup purposes
grizzled sleet
weapons are for people who didn't help us fight the legion and they just come to fight the horde / alliance
dense plover
exactly
fierce sky
I’m pretty sure they said the battle for Undercity is the start of the xpac.
uncut vault
it isnt
tropic trail
So we will just don't get any closure to class orders? that sucks
uncut vault
it explicitly isnt
fierce sky
They must’ve changed from Blizzcon then?
uncut vault
we've known it wasnt the start since blizzcon
fierce sky
They said the xpac starts right after the cinematic
uncut vault
the lordaeron scenario starts right after the cinematic
fierce sky
I think Lordaeron is like the Broken Shore where you basically got a “head start” by doing it during pre patch.
uncut vault
the xpac prep stuff does not
fierce sky
Not all pre patch stuff will stay though/be required. Like the Dark Portal questing right before WoD or the Theramore scenario before MoP.
grizzled sleet
I don't think so since there is those special mounts you get from prepatch
fierce sky
Do we know if they are pre patch only? And if they are, imo that’d be a hint at an earlier pre patch date otherwise you’d have about 1 week to get the mount and that’s it.
grizzled sleet
if they remove prepatch content, it will be weird for a new 110 to see teldrassil burning without any reason or horde losing undercity without any reason
I think everything will stay
but the mounts may be special
fierce sky
To be fair, they did do that with Theramore.
grizzled sleet
dense plover
uh
if prepatch is 5 weeks
maybe the mount is available the 2nd week
thats 4 weeks
not 1
or it could be a reward from the undercity scenario
considering one is a plague bat
and the other is a hippogriff that escaped
grizzled sleet
One is for the alliance after teldrassil and second is for the horde aftr undercity so they are not available in the same week
uncut vault
might just be a reward from the end of the prepatch
dense plover
^
grizzled sleet
^
sour burrow
^
uncut vault
fierce sky
The mounts already have rewards listed and the Alliance one is from Teldrassil’s burning and Horde one is from Undercity’s fall.
dense plover
uhh
no
they list a quest
they dont list anything specific
and we dont know if that quest takes place after burning or after scenario
for example
plaguebat is from the quest killer queen
that quest doesnt exist
and neither does the alliancd quest: evacuating darnassus
uncut vault
my bets are since the battle for Lordaeron quest ends right around a bunch of Forsaken/Night Elf refugees, someone around Nathanos/Wyrmbane will have the questchain
dense plover
dont go around making claims with no evidence ning
uncut vault
that or the same thing, but after you complete the burning of teldrassil quests
dense plover
they arent going to give out a mount at different intervals
both will be released at the same time
uncut vault
yeah thats what I mean, it's either a questline just after BfL, because theres plenty of undead/night elves around the place where you spawn after the scenario, or the reward for the end of the burning of teldrassil quests, since the Alliance ones end with Tyrande and Malf, and the Horde ones end with Sylvanas
dense plover
nods
grizzled sleet
but if you need a horde and alliance character to get them both, and they are unobtenable after the prepatch, people will compain about not having a 110 character in the other faction
uncut vault
interesting, I cant find the plaguebat on the beta
the hippogryph shows up, the bat doesnt
tropic trail
anyone know when zandalari trolls come out?
uncut vault
8.1
most likely gonna involve completing Zandalar forever, getting exalted with Zandalari tribe, and completing the presumed 8.1 raid
tropic trail
Great and how long will that be after BFA's release?
tropic trail
8.0 is BFA's release im guessing?
uncut vault
Correct, 8.0.3 is august 14th
grizzled sleet
8.1 is at least 2 months after the raid release
sour burrow
To be fair, the evacuation of darnassus seems like it'd be right after the event, and the killer queen sounds like it'd be from after something bad sylvannas does.
grizzled sleet
there should be an achievement for faction changing on BFA with the title "The Betrayer"
and you can't remove that title for 2 weeks
fierce sky
The bat mount’s description says it was one of the last bats to escape from Lordaeron.
"One of the last of the giant bats to escape Undercity following the siege of Lordaeron."
uncut vault
which is why I think both are post-BfL
sour burrow
Dunno. Doesn't really matter because we know it's related, whether shortly after each scenario or all the way at the end of it all.
fierce sky
There is a slight difference as the Hippogryph you’d acquire 1 week or so earlier. And there’s the question of whether they’d be obtainable after pre patch.
dense plover
why would you acquire it earlier?
we literally dont know the source of the quests
and theyve never given rewards to one faction before another
sour burrow
Maybe not, but I think that it'll be that way. And they'd be available afterwards, I would imagine. It's important story stuff after all.
fierce sky
They never completely removed 2 capital cities from the game either. And no one would’ve thought they’d go that far in WoW before.
rich apex
fierce sky
While mounts would be the biggest things they’ve locked off for sure, they did lock off those Legion pre patch invasion weapons and armor. Same with the Theramore Tabard, that Mirkblood Bat, Iron Vanguard title, Horde chopper.
That’s different. Moose you had over a year to get. Not 1 month or less for pre patch stuff
still lily
o3o
Like locking stuff off to prepatch is really scummy
I mean they probably will do it cause Blizzard = Scumlords
I just hope they won't
sharp bluff
they lock off stuff all the time though
nothing new
core hound mount
pre legion weapons and armor (they may not have looked good but they count)
just two of the many examples
dense plover
also, it isnt scummy
they say its going away
and that stuff never counts for achievement points
they got locked into feats of strength
hollow dock
I mean it was attainable but gotta keep that shit special ya know?
the pet is avaialble to all DHs
dense plover
the fel bat?
i dont think it is
yeah, only way to get it now is from someone selling it on AH
sharp bluff
fel bat is DH portal, or a mission
hollow dock
I vaugely remember getting a mission for tha tpet
dense plover
different color and abilities
hollow dock
I have like 10 felbats lol
sour burrow
I have 400 pocket fel generators. I was a madman farming them.
I think I sold all the felbats though.
That pocket toy is why they had to change group finder. We tanked the servers so bad if I remember right...
dense plover
no
it had to do with world quests
world quest addons could bring people to a server
and if they didnt leave the group, they stayed in the realm
or if the leader left, and you became leader, you stayed on the realm
and you wouldnt be phased back properly
uncut jetty
Blizzard is stress testing... the lag is horrible
grizzled sleet
Burning of Orgrimmar
uncut jetty
I supposed we deserve it lol
grizzled sleet
rich apex
gotta do something about the smell of a thousand undead refugees
in a tightly packed city
in a desert
hollow dock
During the dry season noless
grizzled sleet
They are not undead, they are FORSAKEN. FOR THE HORDE
hollow dock
Forsaken are undead
grizzled sleet
They don't like to be called like that
hollow dock
Stress testing bois
grizzled sleet
sharp bluff
idk, have we ever asked a nelf their feelings about that?
hollow dock
yes we have
the scouts that end up getting out alive
those that arrive to see the executed civvies
those lot
grizzled sleet
did the horde lose a city or something like this before ? (in the lore not just in-game)
grizzled sleet
no on azeroth, the alliance lost theramore and gilneas before, horde nothing?
dense plover
not from the alliance no
i feel like its not quite fair to say only on azeroth
like the horde literally has less stuff on azeroth because the orcs are from draenor
its not a fair comparrison to exclude it
grizzled sleet
I see