it occurs near the end of TBC
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
meager warren
ah
hollow dock
As the siege of the black temple is starting
the DHs seige onto Marduun begins
We're supposed to claim the Sargerite Key and return to fight off the siege
we're slow tho
so we get there as Illidan is captured
uncut vault
that's actually only about halfway through the Outland Campaign, everything from entering the portal to killing Illidan took place over two months
grizzled sleet
You just spoiled @tropic trail
tropic trail
rip demon hunter story
hollow dock
It's been 2 years
hollow dock
dont go in the spoiler chat =D i have no filter here
meager warren
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
tropic trail
someone told me to go here when talking about this type of stuff when I first joined the server
so I just kind of hang out here most of the time
hollow dock
well as the channel name suggests: this is the chat for spoilers regarding most things in WoW.
Lore, BFA, Beta, Story, etc.
grizzled sleet
May the void clear the spoilers from your mind
hollow dock
Not in the spoiler chat
grizzled sleet
The void is everywhere
meager warren
May the Flying Spaghetti Monster clear the void from your head and protect you from the spoilers 
grizzled sleet
I bet you already forgot the spoilers
meager warren
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
sharp bluff
so who else heard about voldemort killing thrall and taking the one ring from him?
tropic trail
who dies?
sharp bluff
spoilers 😛
grizzled sleet
I heard a better story
tropic trail
wait what happens to jesus?
grizzled sleet
Alleria killing N'Zoth and taking his place, and Arathor bringing an army of paladins to fight her, only to die
It's actually one of alleria's visions
I hope it come true
"She saw her blood on Turalyon's sword. She saw Arator calling an army of paladins to hunt her down, only to fall with her arrows in his throat. She saw herself kneeling before the One Who Slumbers beneath Azeroth's waves. She saw herself killing it and taking its place, leading a throng of horrors to consume every nation."
distant folio
@uncut vault "that's actually only about halfway through the Outland Campaign, everything from entering the portal to killing Illidan took place over two months" wait do you have a source?
grizzled sleet
Alleria is BFA's end boss
meager warren
i suppose we're never gonna kill Sylvanas.. icri
grizzled sleet
If you follow the light, no we won't, but if you follow the shadows, we will kill Sylvanas
"The Light seeks one path and shuns all others as lies. The Shadow seeks every possible path and sees them all as truth."
dense plover
Alleria won’t be the final boss
That was a vision from the void
The void sees all possibilities
Doesn’t make them true
grizzled sleet
Yea, but, I just hope it happens
"She saw her blood on Turalyon's sword. She saw Arator calling an army of paladins to hunt her down, only to fall with her arrows in his throat. She saw herself kneeling before the One Who Slumbers beneath Azeroth's waves. She saw herself killing it and taking its place, leading a throng of horrors to consume every nation."
This
is
epic
dense plover
No it isn’t
It’s a cool vision
It would be a shitty story culmination
Nzoth is probably the final boss
dense plover
Azeroth is a titan
grizzled sleet
when we killed Argus, nothing happened to the planet?
dense plover
That’s because it had already been destroyed
Did you not pay attention?
Argus is a ruined planet
grizzled sleet
hummm
distant folio
I dont think we know that killing the world soul kills the planet. Most planets dont even have a world soul.
dense plover
Also, azeroth hasn’t been tortured by sargeras
If we don’t stop the bleeding, she died and the world exploded as shown in the magni comic
*dies
*explodes
distant folio
That was just a sort of vision, and I believed it showed Old God goo
dense plover
Yeah, a vision of what happens
distant folio
to say that it would be corrupted or something
dense plover
And it wasn’t old god goo
It was the planet shattered
Go look at the panel
Separated chunks of planet exploding outwards
distant folio
I'm talking about the literal black goo https://i.imgur.com/zWD0T5y.png
dense plover
Okay
But the planet still explodes
That won’t happen
It would require them to do another cataclysm
distant folio
It doesnt even say its a vision, theres just an image. Could be what Magni thinks or imagines, or what Azeroth fears, anything.
Yeah I dont think the planet will explode, that would end WoW.
sharp bluff
probably his thoughts, the size of the landmasses is off
meager warren
tbh, judging from Sylvanas' behavior as of the beginning of time, how the Light wouldn't want to kill her is just...
why
sharp bluff
just binds them into service
distant folio
Neither that
sharp bluff
turns them crazy
distant folio
wut
grizzled sleet
lol
sharp bluff
well it turns some crazy
grizzled sleet
no
distant folio
who ?
sharp bluff
Narru
grizzled sleet
They just have too much faith on the light
distant folio
what
meager warren
the Light doesn't kill living people
it's fine with killing dead people or void people
distant folio
The Light doesnt kill any people. People who wield the Light kill other people.
uncut vault
Source for the Outland stuff is the Illidan novel, each chapter has a header that says how long before the invasion of the Black temple
the chapter with the Horde and Alliance charging through the portal was two months
sharp bluff
joking aside, it does kill beings from the shadowlands actually Pan, or at least hurts them a good bit
distant folio
It doesn't
sharp bluff
We see this in game
uncut vault
2 months before illidans death and 2 months after the portal opens do mean the exact same thing
distant folio
oh wait "charging through the portal"
uncut vault
a 2 month gap
distant folio
@sharp bluff Where do you see the Light itself killing people?
sharp bluff
the ghost draenei Girl is hurt by the light
hurting
harming
she was a being of the shadowlands and it hurt her, not a being but actual light
distant folio
mmm no it doesn't Zepi
I know that Light magic harms the undead. That's not what I said though, I said the Light doesnt kill people by itself, when you asked why the Light hadnt killed Sylvanas yet.
meager warren
if it can harm people, it can kll people
distant folio
As a form of magic wielded by people. Not the Light itself. The Light doesnt go around killing people.
sharp bluff
quote from her, as she approaches a Naaru, just gets close to it, as it is radiating light
What's that? A light in the darkness! It's so bright...
It's too bright! Too bright! Owww!
Part 5
distant folio
I mean yeah you go from complete darkness to a radiant light, you're blinded.
sharp bluff
it physically hurts her
distant folio
And it's not the Light itself. It's a naaru.
meager warren
...
sharp bluff
naaru give off light
meager warren
^
sharp bluff
at no point did the naaru even acknowledge Uuna, point at her or anything
she just got close
distant folio
I mean yes, she approached A'dal.
But you misunderstand, just read me.
I didn't say that Light magic can't harm people. I never said that, I literally said that Light magic does harm people, especially the undead. Paladins harm people with the Light all day long. But the Light alone doesn't go around killing people, it is wielded by humans or draenei or whatever. This was in answer to Murderous Mass's question about why the Light hadn't killed Sylvanas yet: the Light doesn't kill people itself, you need someone (a paladin, a priest) to kill Sylvanas.
meager warren
or sylvanas can use it herself and commit accidental suicide because the light is dangerous when you're undead or shadow
distant folio
Yeah, still in that case it would be Sylvanas who kills herself, not "the Light" as an entity
meager warren
t would be the light actually. sylvanas wouldn't have died by using the light on herself. she might die from using it enough that the pain is too much
distant folio
It wouldn't be the Light as an entity or sentient being, "the Light" does not go around killing people. It would be Sylvanas wielding Light magic and killing herself with it
Like she could with Arcane magic or Fel or a knife or anything
jade basalt
Next allied race, Zandhuman https://i.imgur.com/vlOX6zg.png
jovial coral
Looks good
meager warren
also looks like a carbon copy of the darkspear troll model
umbral fiber
meager warren
@umbral fiber i just noticed those giant fish. What are those called? As in, what's the weapon name
dense plover
@grizzled sleet Muffinus answered my tweet
Twitter
thats the stance on Havenswood
meager warren
your question didn't seem to be answered fully
meager warren
he basically just answered "Maybe" tho
dense plover
thats an answer
its an acknowledgement that it was removed on purpose because of its complexity
and that it may or may not show up again
its more info than previously
sour burrow
Complexity eh? Not sure how they could be 'too complex' but hey, sure. :P
dense plover
its a big city
it was designed when islands were originally going to be like mini-zones you quest and fight in
instead theyre like fight and explore while occassionally doing mini-quests
i would love to see havenswood show up with an entirely different playstyle
do quests in the area, court the leaders favor, fight waves of some kind of assaulting enemy to defend the town etc
a mix of those types of events
or maybe you ally against the town and need to destroy them all because theyre all undead or all worgen or all ghosts
it has potential
but its a completely different design than the current islands visually and wouldnt work the same functionally
sour burrow
Aha.
meager warren
@sour burrow care to elaborate on what you mean by "Aha."
are you laughing at Peach because you think he's stupid or?
sour burrow
Huh?
haughty widget
Bfa looks peaceful ....
dense plover
aha is like eureka
sour burrow
Maybe you think 'aho' which is Japanese for stupid.
dense plover
its an interjection!
meager warren
when i see Aha, i think of someone laughing. mb
haughty widget
Aha
haughty widget
damn son
meager warren
it is laughter if it's used in the same context as "Haha" or "Ahahaha"
dense plover
its an interjection
meager warren
also, @haughty widget wdym Bfa is peaceful
dense plover
anyone typing ahahaha is using hahah wrong
haughty widget
The graphics and zones
dense plover
btw, world server is down
haughty widget
Looks peaceful as aduin kittens
sour burrow
ah-hah-hah-hah! :P
meager warren
well, some people do type "Ahaha" or "Aha" to display laughter at least in my experience.
haughty widget
Man stop
haughty widget
Let them make an aha channel.
haughty widget
N word is allowed ?
dense plover
no
meager warren
no
haughty widget
Ok ty
dense plover
racism is not allowed
haughty widget
Where was we
meager warren
neither is any other form of bigotry
sour burrow
Technically, fantasy racism should be allowed. All of BfA is glorified racism for the most part. :P
dense plover
this is a decent internet place
its factionalism
not racism
although there is fantasy racism
sour burrow
But there's plenty of hate against the various cultural groups. Like the way elves treat each other.
tropic trail
all of warcraft is glorified racism
meager warren
fantasy racism is allowed but if it gets too heated based that, staff may be forced to take action
dense plover
which at least makes some sort of sense
tropic trail
literally race wars
sour burrow
Just saying it's funny to be all 'racism is bad' and then 'I only play pvp servers' :P Yeah it's fictional, but it's easy to forget that 🎵 Everyone's a little bit racist. 🎵
tropic trail
I'm not sure the races of wow can't interbreed, we have garona, the retconned medan, half elves
haughty widget
Plz behave like a man mr mc pfp
dense plover
all real life racism is bad
meager warren
everybody is not a little bit racist
sour burrow
Yes, mrpeach, it is weird that a lot of friendly sethrak are missing their sounds. However, for friendly sethrak, they've had voices in game files the whole time. I think M and F friendly sethrak were both added, while not the same build maybe, close to each other. Let me double check. Okay, so yes, 8 files for F, all filled in. 7 files for m, 01 is missing entirely, and then 07/08 are blank dummy files.
dense plover
huh
so wait
they do have the files
but they arent working
weird
must just be a tag they need to apply to npcs
haughty widget
I said ok mr mc photo
sour burrow
"I'm not racist, I'm culturist." lol
haughty widget
U will keep saying shit all the day ?
dense plover
seemed they fixed the multiple gender vo in the sethrakk place
haughty widget
Ok we got it
meager warren
it would be cool if Blizz introduced an anarchist faction
sour burrow
Well my theory is, with sethrak voice file weirdness, that maybe they still plan on doing something strange with the what-who of stuff so they delayed the task until later. Maybe female model.
meager warren
dense plover
i dont think we will see a female model tbh
sour burrow
Guards are now only males then? Rather than the same visuals being male and female both?
dense plover
no
theres female guards
they just now only have female vo
instead of the occassional male vo
and the males have only male vo
sour burrow
They have the same ID and same appearance. Ah, maybe, but was it consistent which ones had male and which ones had female? I had war mode on so I couldn't really spend time looking around there (and the guards there really need to behave like Highmountain >.>)
dense plover
yes
meager warren
female bodies are slightly thinner than male bodies
dense plover
the ones who had mostly female now have all female
no they arent
there the exact same model
sour burrow
We do have a female model. We just don't have a generic creature model female. The 'design' groundwork is in game, and that model can be stripped completely to a base.
dense plover
it could
i dont know if it will
and above im talking in general
ignoring sethraliss
the base npcs are both male and female
but they fixed the vo conflict
sour burrow
They are 100% not the same model, don't make me get my wireframes again, lol. Yes, there's currently no female monster/generic, because there's missing creature armor for them. However given design workflow and how long it took them to get Sethraliss animations hooked up despite it being a copy of the male, I don't think it's out of the question. Again, that's just going by design workflow, even if we don't see them at launch (though thankfully all important NPCs are male, aside from Sethraliss, so it's easy to recon/replace the female generic and miniboss ones without it seeming weird.)
The point is that a large portion of the work is already done, in that they have a base skin that just needs re-colored, and some creature armor.
sour burrow
Design work is pretty much in place. :)
dense plover
but i mean the npcs there are all visually the same
like the regular npcs are tagged separetely
but they are currently the same
that might not be the case on launch ofc
sour burrow
Right, it's definite that right now, at this moment, there's no female model for generic NPCs as there's no alternate skins or creature armor that could theoretically be applied to the Sethraliss model.
dense plover
there is a gender difference with sethraliss
and if they were to become a player race they need to have different forms with gender
sour burrow
Yeah, it's pretty cool how subtle it is (I do have to keep arguing she's different because it's almost too similar, but that can be a positive for the race overall.)
dense plover
yeah
slightly wider hips
thinner waist
head is slightly different
slightly different feet angle
it matches the female worgen skele right?
vs the male one matching the male skele?
sour burrow
No, its unique as far as we can tell.
dense plover
huh
sour burrow
the fem worg thing was an odd rumor
dense plover
doubt that would stay, so if they strip it, its likely the skeleton would be using another somehow
since doing all those animations is difficult
sour burrow
Kul Tiran and Zandalari are both new models as well.
sour burrow
We tried to put the models against each other to see, there's an image floating around with Draenei and Worgen next to the Sethrak and it doesn't really line up.
dense plover
but the model is 100% new
pretty sure zandalari have the night elf leg skeleton
and some other weird mixed animations
mostly night elf
some troll
a few unique
its strange
sour burrow
At the end of the day, it's somehow a 'universal' thing, it's not like they can utilize the old worgen because it has fewer bones overall. Nevermind the bugs, lol.
sour burrow
Now, they could theoretically reverse the Sethrak for the Worgen in some way.
dense plover
which they might
yeah it might be worth it to make 1 new skeleton for both
well two
sour burrow
Which is another fascinating line of thought, because it again parallels the vulpera to an extent.
dense plover
one for each gender
yeah
especially since goblins are supposed to get model updates
making one new skeleton for both of each race would be smart
a goblin/vulpera new skele
and a sethrakk/worgen new skele
one for each gender
sour burrow
Skeleton for Vulpera and Sethrak are both singular, though there may be very slight bone tweaks as I know that the cape on the female sits at a different angle due to her shoulders somehow.
dense plover
but i mean if they decide to make those two allied races
it would be a good time to redo goblin and worgen models
since you could work on a skele that could work for both rraces
sour burrow
Model is different between M/F on vulp/seth but in general it's the same for both. Which is fine. Then they can expand that work back to Goblin and Worgen for the heavier gender differences.
dense plover
since the skeleton would be made somewhat in tandem
sour burrow
And it could also explain part of why they're having to be SO DAMN SILENT about the updates with them.
uncut vault
Sethrak 100% use worgen as a base, they just use it in the same way vulpera use goblins, same animations, but updated
sour burrow
If you can point to at least 5 identical animations @uncut vault then I'll believe you.
Name them via wow dressing room, and show that they are worgen unique, not universal for all races as well.
sour burrow
Vulpera still use a fair amount of similar animations though the tails are fully animated and most of the animations are at least slightly different.
dense plover
🛏 💤
sour burrow
Lol aww, I'm just getting used to properly debating with the peach-fellow. :P
sour burrow
S'fine, not like either of us is going anywhere, haha.
"We just follow where the logic leads." :P
dense plover
i just think if they do decide to make a female sethrakk model, it may not come until worgen model redo since they could do both as a new skele and save a ton of time
i mean
it wouldnt be too weird for half a race's models to suddenly switch
or they might push to get the skeles ddone
and work on the worgen and goblin models after launch
instead of withholding the skeles
either way
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sour burrow
I think Sethraliss represents a fairly ideal player model. Just give some proper attribute variation through hood, horns, etc, as well as some different skin colors between males and females, and we're in good shape overall.
dense plover
most of those are universal pretty sure
sour burrow
I would LIKE to see gob/worg/vulp/seth for 8.2, personally.
dense plover
i think gob and worg would be a x.x.5 tbh
and vulp and seth will probably be like the last race
maybe .3
or even .4
really depends on how the naga raid will work
hoping for a raised island north of nazmir
goodnight
sour burrow
Death is not the same as male. And DEFINITELY not the same as female.
We don't have anything else far enough along to be ready by 8.2 if KT/Zandalari are 8.1 and they plan for a pair every big patch cycle, so who knows, heh.
Setting aside weird x.5's
Sethrak don't even HAVE a sprint.
uncut vault
like I said, updated versions of worgen anims for just about half of them
rest are a splattering of panda and draenei
sour burrow
That's Run, which I haven't looked at yet, not sprint. There is no sprint. Just because they're digitigrade does not mean they're copies of the Worgen. Even if they're similar, the tail is a major part of things, just like Goblins and Vulpera, but I'm still trying to even find the same 'timing' with stuff like walk.
F-Worgen Run - 16 frames
Sethrak Run - 13 frames
meager warren
wat?
it is very similar.
probably because it's an updated version of worgen anims
sour burrow
Walk and Run have the same frames. Generating a side by side. I AM legit curious what degree of overlap they have. The more parallels with Worgen, the better, don't get me wrong.
(Ugh, let me see if Upton is free, this is a pain in the ass XD)
tropic trail
https://www.twitch.tv/supbro423 BFA spoilers
sour burrow
In the mean time, walk and run aside (I personally don't think run is all that similar aside from clawed digitigrade movement, but...) there is no Sprint, the Death is different, bow stuff was recently updated supposedly so it may end up qualifying as a universal animation. So that's 3/5 being incorrect.
There's sooooooo many differences here it's hardly even close aside from their forms. It's neat BECAUSE of that, but as far as animations go, it's really different. It could definitely be utilized backwards for the female worgen as an update, I guess?
meager warren
aside from the walk and run being exactly the same, they're completely different. /s
sour burrow
They look similar at a glance but as far as actual animations go, while there's a possibility of the model being some bastardization of female worgen (proportions aren't EXTREMELY far off) the actual details of the animation are vastly different. And we already know that with the skeleton, it's a different skeleton.
uncut vault
I feel like you're missing the very key word of "updated"
sour burrow
Is there a chance of it being an updated version for this specific animation, utilizing the worgen female... I would say yes there's a chance of that.
However the actual differences are so substantial that aside from basic timing, there's nothing the same.
Does it answer the question of if Sethrak came from Worgen? Not quite, but I am actually happy to see two animations that do line up side by side.
Upton got me a little better of a comparison image.
Upton confirms Run has a different frame count, and that ReadyBow is new for BfA anyways so it won't count as a comparison. However I actually would enjoy seeing others you feel are similar/same between the two. Here's the Sethrak animation list:
meager warren
@sour burrow nothing you can say can convince me that the worgen female and sethrak model are pretty much exactly the same
sour burrow
Oh, I can show you the skeletal system and you'd see how drastically different they are, but it also sounds like you're the type of goober who still shouts that Vulpera are Goblins so ehh.
To be fair, I actually would LOVE to find more proof that sethrak come from female worgen than a single similarly timed animation, because that puts them on an even closer playing field to the vulpera, increasing their chances of being the matching race. Especially with Worgen/Goblin being linked together by their expansion.
meager warren
i realize they have different skeletons
i'm not that much of an idiot
but the actual animations are extremely similar
sour burrow
As I said, if you can find me more that line up as well as the walk, I actually would love to cross-check the frame numbers and side-by-side the ones with the same frame count.
meager warren
wat
sour burrow
I would like more proof that you're correct. I'm arguing against it, yet wanting you to be the one who is correct. It places the statement vulpera are to goblins as blank is to worgen as a far better location for Sethrak to live in.
meager warren
i'm just looking at the two right next to each other and seeing that they look the same.
it being timed differently doesn't make it that much different or them having different skeletons
sour burrow
So because they are digitigrade and have claws, they're the same. That's not as compelling as the internet demands. Has to be stuff like the walk above where it remains fairly similar to the 7.3 model.
Like, it was fairly obvious how much was originally copied for Vulpera with the goblin things. But Sethrak aren't AS similar, to the point that Sethrak were possibly ground-up and then had some animations cross referenced, rather than the other way around.
meager warren
wat
i didn't say anything about it being digitigrade or having claws
the walk and run just looks similar
sour burrow
Upton's out, so I guess I'm done too. Nothing to make comparisons on, after all, so...
*waves bye* Was fun while there was effort but... ^_^;
drifting current
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tropic trail
i fucking lol'd
still lily
@drifting current go to bed
thin arrow
does anyone knows what happening in beta?
grizzled sleet
What's happening every day : Azeroth is dying
@sour burrow what are FuturePatch119 FuturePatch120 & FuturePatch121 animations?
near cosmos
they lettin just any old shite into the beta now, I didnt even sign up but I have it 😛
ebon meadow
Is it only me or do the beta servers lag ?
uncut vault
they are, a lot
thin arrow
probably the new guild's interface is making stuffs worst XD
spare ridge
I can't even get in 😡
tropic trail
Is it possible that this xpac is just leading up to an old god xpac
hollow dock
Absolutely not. Never ever will this lead to the old gods (or involve the old gods.) :P
tropic trail
Yeah I get that but usually with every other expansion it was really easy to guess who the big baddie was
hollow dock
I wouldn't really agree with that assessment Pandaria onwards.
tropic trail
Even though I started playing in legion some of my friends played a lot of WoW
hollow dock
well in pandaria you swapped from the Horde alliance conflict into the Sha, remnants of the Old God Y'shaarj, and then to Lei Shen and the trolls and seemingly out of no where Garrosh goes rogue.
There was no way to tell that last bit. For WoD, we thought it was the Iron Horde and not the Legion that'd be our final boss and then here in Legion, who would have guessed that Argus had it's own titan soul in it until 7.3 came out.
hollow dock
Im doubtful it will be.
Blizzard believes they need the faction war to keep going to keep the playerbase interested
tropic trail
I know some hardcore lore people, such as yourself, who suggest that there could be an old god xpac next xpac
hollow dock
It very much might be. But at hte same time, at the start of BFA is when all the titan facilities have been ruptured and the old god forces are running rampant.
tropic trail
I'm not denying there shouldnt be an old god influence this xpac
Im just suggesting it could be building up
hollow dock
It could, but at the same time. I dont see an entire expac focused on 1 thing like the first few.
hollow dock
It's bound to have bad days
thin arrow
guess blizzard's are on holiday today... no chance to play
grizzled sleet
A : Beta has gone out of control, what can we do to save it?
B : There is no hope release the ptr
hollow dock
You can't do anything to save beta wat. It's all on blizzards end. Gotta wait on them to fix it or finish whatever is causing the lag. (My bet's on Morhaimes pornography stash)
Why is there no hope for release on the PTR?
thin arrow
too early for ptr.... have u seen how many bugs there are? i guess blizzard is still on late with fix for the 14th august launch
grizzled sleet
It was a joke 
hollow dock
half of the alliance stuff still isn't in game Gun. So I doubt they'd start massive bug fixing with that still a thing
grizzled sleet
alliance dueler guild still not in game?
hollow dock
most of borealus is still empty/missing. Lots of quests are missing on the alliance side
thin arrow
n most of wq doesn't trigger when u enter the area
obsidian lily
When does the beta server go back up?
hollow dock
when they're finished with patching it
obsidian lily
i wasnt sure if there was a projected time frame or not...
hollow dock
The only projected timeframes we get are for live. Beta it's just up when it's up and down when it's not sadly.
obsidian lily
Gotcha thanks i didnt know all that
left pebble
hollow dock
yea its bound to happen
jade basalt
Alright so for those who had contacted me about the Beta keys, /r/wow is giving away 300 keys total. There will be multiple giveaways, starting with a creative writing contest. And some on Discord too. I'll see what I can do for those who PM'd me back then.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8o22oq/switchup_saturday_creative_writing_contest_beta/
split valley
server issues are improving. one set of issues seems to be solved but doing restarts to plug a memory leak right now. I'm off to bed zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
grizzled sleet
Is there anything like obliterum yet in the beta for craftable items?
or are craftable items limited to 300 ilvl only?
Did they add obliterum early in legion's beta or it was a last minute addition?
hollow dock
I think they go tmore pressing matters on beta than that tbh. I think it'll be a last minute thing.
grizzled sleet
Ok 
sour burrow
There's something in there. The 'scrappers'. I've gotten bind on pickup blue items that may be the equivalent of bloods or whatever.
dense plover
you can take any BfA gear and it gives you some resources
sour burrow
It also spits out various crafting materials, and is basically a poor man's disenchant, if I understand it correctly.
dense plover
including a scrapper only resource called expulsom
which is used for higher ilvl items
sour burrow
Ah, so expulsom is only from scrapper then, not going to be from dungeons..?
dense plover
dont think so
ive only seen it from putting stuff in the scrapper'
its somewhat common
and you can put regular gear in the scrapper so its not awful
sour burrow
Weird. Gonna be tough to remember to not sell all my various dungeon loots and such.
Yeah.
I used it like, one time with various things from my inventory to test it, haha.
It's kind of neat? I guess?
dense plover
i just use it with quest gear
dense plover
scrapper just takes gear and gives back some component pieces
gilneas will not change with the rrelease of BfA
it could change later
but there is no evidence currently
uncut vault
there is evidence
dense plover
oh yeah
there are the map changes
but theyve currently done no work on gilneas
thats what i shouldve said
also, there would be no reason for it to cchange immediately with the release of BfA
it takes time to go and rebuild a city
uncut vault
man, island expeditions really arent being played up as an endgame thing enough, theyre crazy fun and repeatable
dense plover
i mean
theyre your main source of azerite
and theres going to be a weekly quest that gives a big reward for doing 3 or 5 of them
but right now theyre still kind of a mess
they dont give the best reward for the time invested
and if you dont have friends to play with, anything above normal is a shit show
unless you use voip with randos - which i wont
uncut vault
I more meant amongst the community, a lot of people keep saying this xpac has no new stuff, more of the same in legion
dense plover
oh
those people are the vocal minority
theyre very loud
and nobody cares about their opinion
which is why they are so loud
my only worry is that the azerite grind is slow, and there is no end game storyline
assuming the rest of the voljin stuff gets put in
gets set to 1 a week or something
uncut vault
thats my main concern about 8.1 being further out than 7.1 was
if there isnt an 8.0.5 in between with some more story stuff/endgame content, i dunno whats gonna hold us over
dense plover
^
there might be content they havent put in yet
thats my only real hope
im not so much worried about other patches
just the first one really
untold fractal
I always appreciate a little extra time at the beginning of the expansion for people to get used to the mechanical chantes
changes*'
dense plover
there arent really any huge mechanical changes
uncut vault
According to Taliesin and Evitel, we're getting a Windrunner comic on monday
dense plover
huh
untold fractal
oh did their weekly reset finally come out?
dense plover
i guess thats sort of horde kind of
uncut vault
all three comics are about family, it seems
dense plover
she still has a mom
untold fractal
her mother is still alive
still lily
That hates her*
uncut vault
and a brother
untold fractal
I loved my step mom but still hated her
you can love and hate someone at the same time
untold fractal
even more realistic
dense plover
and she learns to actually love her daughter again
uncut vault
but all three comics seem to be about loss of family, anyways, and not wanting to make past mistakes
uncut vault
Jaina with her dad, Magni with Moira, probably Sylvanas with her sisters
hollow dock
You can hate what they've done
grizzled sleet
Alleria : Sylvanas... ? What have you done?
Sylvanas : Sometimes the hand of fate must be forced
rich apex
tropic trail
first and foremost I did not say anything about it being changed
secondly, I was asking if it would OPEN up
instead of being... dead?
Like, would it get some part in BFA or somethin'
hollow dock
There's some hints
but nothing concrete
Lordaeron is certainly staying closed due to blight
Gilneas we might be getting back
grizzled sleet
I think we're going to have many changes in the world as the expansion goes. We already had some places set for future patchs in Legion for example (Suramar, Broken Shore..) but there is nothing for BFA. I suppose many things will change in the old maps on future patchs
hollow dock
Unlike Legion, we're not focusing on exploring around. We're trying to gut each other anywhere we can.
So we won't have a lot more zones, but we will have a lot more updates to the current ones it seems
grizzled sleet
And many bronze dragonflight :p
hollow dock
well for teldrassil and Tirisfall, they seem to be the only places 'permad' like Theramore or blasted lands
dense plover
arathi is perma changed
same will go for north barrens and dustwallow
once that warfront is added
grizzled sleet
by the end of BFA many things will be updated, then they can update the rest for next expansion
WoW 2.0 minus Outland
or WoW 1.5, they won't update old dungeons after all
tropic trail
Honestly I don't feel the investment in low level content in Cata was too bad
tbh not that bad of an expansion
hollow dock
It wasn't if you were horde
Alliance got pretty boned
in terms of quality
since it got rushed out
tropic trail
Most people i know say WoD is worst
hollow dock
WoD's questing is some of the best this game has to offer.
It's just the expansion was disgustingly empty.
hollow dock
Yea. Virtually no end game content for 2 years
grizzled sleet
They must include Chromie with the leveling system like someone suggested. When you start at level 20 as a nightborne with the cataclysm then you go back to Outland and northend and you end up in legion, it's just weird
hollow dock
I don't think they should. It's just how the games developed sadly.
Deathknights had a -really- awkward leveling of 'WE GO TO FIGHT HTE LICH KING! but first head to outland and help against the legion u fuk'
hollow dock
onyl now is it fixed
dense plover
and cata low level content was neccesary
but it resulted in the expac being empty
its my third least favorite
wod is first
bc is second
grizzled sleet
I hate going back to Outland, it's the oldest graphics in the game now, even vanilla ones were updated on cata
hollow dock
I enjoy outland because it gives me colorful gear.
uncut vault
in terms of lore, man TBC was bad. I like Quel'danas, but that expansion just said screw lore
hollow dock
¯_(ツ)_/¯
uncut vault
at least WoD tried
grizzled sleet
Legion is BC 2.0
BFA is MOP 2.0 ?
We will be getting Wotlk 2.0 with Bolvar
We need a second cataclysm for Cata 2.0 (there is also a hint to deathwing after patch 7.3 on highmountain)
dense plover
not going to happen
hollow dock
There is no hint to deathwing
dense plover
also no there isnt
hollow dock
and deathwing was vaporized
grizzled sleet
A new rare elite
dense plover
deathwing is dead dead
hollow dock
It literally leads to nothing.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Trust me on that one Mim.
dense plover
dont start conspiracy theories plz
grizzled sleet
I just want all maps updated, at least with wotlk 2.0 they can update northrend
I completely lost hope on outland tbh
tropic trail
BFA is classic 2.0
dense plover
its a waste of resources
tropic trail
kind of?
hollow dock
BFA is BFA
dense plover
^
hollow dock
it's not a repeat of anything
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Legion wasn't a repeat of TBC. WoD wasn't a repeat of anything.
grizzled sleet
they added new models for old ones on BFA, I think they're trying to update things
uncut vault
if bolvar does become a big part in the post-BfA xpac, I hope it doesnt use all of northrend, cuase that seems like itll be hell to work with
hollow dock
Yes they are updating the world slowly.
uncut vault
two separate northrends, at least WoD had the excuse of AU and the past
hollow dock
The entire world.
hollow dock
bringing all those low-poly shit models to date
hollow dock
yup
tropic trail
Legion is pretty unique but I guess it's kind of similar to TBC
with illidan's return
and the burning legion
hollow dock
sadly no old mount updates yet ;3;
dense plover
kodos were updated
hollow dock
It's as similar to TBC as Vanilla was to WC3
dense plover
horses will probably be updated
hollow dock
I just want my nightsabers updated already
uncut vault
so far the only updated horses are the Gilnean ones
hollow dock
just update our current ones with a new skin ;3;
grizzled sleet
if they update some special mounts, some people will be asking for old models
uncut vault
at this rate, even the MoP sabers need updates, 6 years old
tropic trail
we didnt, you and someone else did
tropic trail
yeah
tropic trail
I didnt really say much tbh
dense plover
the answer isnt going to change
grizzled sleet
I think they don't want to update gobelin and worgen models until they introduce the allied races using their models (vulpeera / sethrak?)
hollow dock
They might be getting an update during BFA there is no other information otherwise
dense plover
^
tropic trail
I know that
dense plover
if i could pin a messafe
tropic trail
thats why i was saying I hope they will
hollow dock
ey communities are finally up
dense plover
not goodbye
tropic trail
One thing though
dense plover
pretty sure guilds still exist actually
tropic trail
Y'all know how the worgen males have glowing eyes
if they get updated
will they get the glow effect which they dont currently have
grizzled sleet
yes but with communities, guilds may lose their uniqueness
and with personal loot too
tropic trail
or are their eyes not glowing and its just the color?
nova turret
Communities will be great for connecting guilds
dense plover
guild loot was used for such a small advantage
it was not worth maintaining a system that could be abused for the small amount it was used
@tropic trail no way to know
grizzled sleet
I always raided on pugs until completing heroic, not sure how guilds works, never used masterloot
I prefer personal loot tbh
uncut vault
community UI is nice
grizzled sleet
I hope we can put it full screen
but I guess no
with the ingame blizzard battlenet group thing in the communities panel, they must update battlenet up to be less laggy
uncut vault
Im glad the chat isnt just in the community tab
grizzled sleet
i7 8Go RAM and it's laggy for me when I'm playing wow, but I'm not on ssd
uncut vault
I mean, I cant speak for non-RP servers but
these communities are gonna be great for RP
having server events that can be coordinated in game
hollow dock
Why wouldn't guilds exist?
communities do not in any way replace the reason for guilds to exist
grizzled sleet
they will, but they may become less important with personal loot and communities, except for mythic raiding
hollow dock
what will?...
Im asking the why
Like
why would my guild disband just because a community exists?
uncut vault
tbf, they kinda are guilds but better. but I dont think its the end of guilds
they still have a purpose, perks, a namesake, etc.
hollow dock
Oh my god they added the guild finder to it
dense plover
perks?
uncut vault
guild perks
hollow dock
Guild perks
grizzled sleet
rich apex
The guild finder isn't updated tho
uncut vault
yeah guild and community are in the same tab now
rich apex
It's just the button on the new UI for guild/community tab
hollow dock
aw
grizzled sleet
but maybe they are planning to update it
dense plover
you can have multiple channels for chat/talking in each community
hollow dock
A community, as I understand it, is just an in game discord without its own voice chat right?
dense plover
it has voice chat actually
hollow dock
So why is that an end to all guilds? There's no perks, bank, calender set up
rich apex
It's just a 🅱 oneless guild
But handy because you can be in multiple communities on the same character
And thus have one for PVP and mythics and RP and whatever else
hollow dock
is it WoW's voice chat or a community voice chat @dense plover
dense plover
its the new voice chat
hollow dock
So WoW's voice chat
grizzled sleet
calendar doesn't work with communities?
hollow dock
Im comparing it to discord
dense plover
there are channels for chat
uncut vault
it is in game discord, 100%
dense plover
and then you can join voice chat for that chat channel
uncut vault
channel system and everything
dense plover
i think it has emotes
grizzled sleet
R.I.P DISCORD 
JK
dense plover
but its just the default ones
hollow dock
custom ones?
dense plover
ofc not
hollow dock
thought not!
uncut vault
Anyone know if theres a member cap?
if it's at least 100, this is gonna make cross faction RP so amazing
hollow dock
are communities cross faction?
grizzled sleet
yes
uncut vault
Bnet ones are
hollow dock
ah ok
uncut vault
only thing I think it needs is a nickname system for the Bnet one
grizzled sleet
Here you can choose between warcraft / battlenet http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/740727.jpg
there is calendar actually
-Calendar and quick join support
hollow dock
so is there a bank then?
dense plover
bank is still guilds only
hollow dock
I mean
the AH is already crossfaction
Cross faction trading has existed since vanilla
grizzled sleet
cross realm i mean
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Huh. Look at that. a reason for a guild to exist.
grizzled sleet
but
if you're not a mythic raider you can simply make your own guild for the bank and join pvp, mythic+ and raid communities
grizzled sleet
no, i mean, making a guild only for your characters
hollow dock
Again
grizzled sleet
then joining communities
grizzled sleet
no they won't, I neveer said that
dense plover
you know you need to get other people to sign up to be able to make a guild right?
also what about heirlooms?
they require a guild
hollow dock
it's like saying "if x allied race is placed onto x faction, everyone on the other faction will swap and create imbalance!!!!!"
grizzled sleet
I already made a guild for my characters, paid 100g for low level to sign and they leave after
hollow dock
thats great for you
for me all my characters are still in the guild Im in with my friends
grizzled sleet
I never been on a guild, but with the communities now I don't see any reason to join one
dense plover
good luck getting those heirlooms and mounts
i mean
you can totally solo those guild achievements
grizzled sleet
I got them all
hollow dock
and you're telling me that they'd disband because a community exists. even though we give our raiders supplies to ya know
raid
dense plover
you might have them
the guild doesnt
you need a guild group
so either you are lying about the guild
hollow dock
in which
dense plover
or lying about the achieves
hollow dock
How did you get the guild exclusive stuff
grizzled sleet
I never talked about disbands, I just said a guild will me less important for people who don't do mythic raiding
hollow dock
if you never joined a guild
?
You said RIP guilds
as if they wouldn't exist with communities
don't turn your words around good sir
dense plover
^
grizzled sleet
it was a joke, just like when I said RIP discord with the voice chat communities
hollow dock
In which you nevere xplained how you never joined a guild but have all the guild exclusives
hollow dock
You never joined a guild though
dense plover
you know there are new ones right?
grizzled sleet
never joined a guild for raiding etc
hollow dock
So you did lie about joining
grizzled sleet
I started playing seriously since legion, and never joined a guild, but I had heirlooms etc since past expansions
hollow dock
yea Im done. He just keep swappin up the story.
grizzled sleet
I never said guilds are going to disband, but you're trying to convice me that I did, I just said "Rip guilds" as a joke
I don't know what's your problem but whatever
tropic trail
is joining a guild really worth it?
I dont really have any trouble with anything that I cant look up
hollow dock
It depends.
tropic trail
plus most guilds im invited to are stupid leveling guilds
hollow dock
Well if you are OK with just pugging and taking that chance every time to either wasting time or having apiss easy time in the tier
then no there isn't unless you want the guild exclusives.
Something interesting to note: The PTR's instance server has been down all day. 🤔
grizzled sleet
You have 2 choices :
1 - Join a guild, and raid 2/3 times a week
2 - Pug until you get curve and you start joining elite pugs requiring high ilvl and exp every week to clear heroic
hollow dock
Well you can take your chance on pugging ranked teams or join a PVP oriented guild.
Both have their pluses and negatives.
hollow dock
Then yea you have no reason to join a guild I guess.
grizzled sleet
are you on EU or US ?
tropic trail
US
grizzled sleet
I don't know about US, but there is no real pvp guild on EU, the highest ranked on rbg are 1300-1500 cr, highest ranked people run rbg cross-realm, same with arena
cross-realm or friends
never saw a high ranked rbg guild on EU
dense plover
you know most people dont have beta right?
dense plover
never
dense plover
open beta doesnt happen
grizzled sleet
if you just want to test classes, wait for PTR
hoary cedar
Dang.
dense plover
ptr will for prepatch at some point
hollow dock
Ah that also explains your view on guilds Mim
since you're EU
Im on US
US guilds, on average, have seemed to be in much better quality than the EUs guilds
tropic trail
ive been told eu are better
hollow dock
Mim is like the tenth person Ive met that said EU guilds are terrible
grizzled sleet
actually I prefer raiding at 8:00 when the reset is live while there is "elitist" pug groups who can oneshot everything. and I'm free the rest of the week for mythic+
I don't do mythic raiding
dense plover
maybe guilds suck for you because you have this awful attitude towards them
hollow dock
a mythic raiding guild will ask for that yea
terse patrol
try joining a heroic raiding guild first maybe
hollow dock
in which EU has a terrible time with non-mythic trying guilds
as I've heard
US tends to have a lot more heroic raiding guilds that don't really want to go into mythic as I've seen
grizzled sleet
heroic raiding guilds only are too slow, some of them are stuck on normal or first heroic bosses for weeks
hollow dock
Then yea you'd be better off pugging since you just want the kills and gear
dense plover
maybe you dont get into guilds because you have an elitist attitude
because you do
and its gross
hollow dock
For me, I joined the guild Im in to have fun with some likable people and progress into whatever =D
dense plover
^
this is pretty much what most guilds are
even most heroic guilds are looking to do semi-challenging content and hang out
hollow dock
the majority of US guilds are like that. I can't speak from EU but I've not heard good things about it.
grizzled sleet
That's cute but I think pug life suits me better since I can raid on the morning after reset
I'm not elitist I just prefer joining elitist group who ask for high ilvl for quick run
tropic trail
I dunno. I like my group to be relatively quiet but not to the point to where there's no communication
hollow dock
that too is fine.
dense plover
you saying : "heroic raiding guilds only are too slow, some of them are stuck on normal or first heroic bosses for weeks" thats pretty elitist
hollow dock
yea no that is pretty elitist
tropic trail
If you want Elitist, go to Uldum.
what's the recommended item level for groups like these?
Plenty of elitist guilds
tropic trail
thats not what I asked
hollow dock
There is no recommended item level
tropic trail
Not just ilvl Sees groups ask for 975 for heroic
grizzled sleet
I'm a tank so it's mostly ilvl
hollow dock
it's all your knowledge and skill.
dense plover
each group is different
dense plover
lol
hollow dock
tanks aren't evenmostly ilvl either
hollow dock
Tanks are the last ones that actually require gear.
tropic trail
I just want to know what's a good item level
dense plover
it depends on the tank and your experience
hollow dock
There isn't a 'good' ilvl Rys
dense plover
and the class
tropic trail
there is though
dense plover
no
hollow dock
Pugs I dont count
tropic trail
I'm 951 and have a hard time getting into heroic groups period
dense plover
lowest you will find in lfg is 915
grizzled sleet
pugs mostly look for ilvl for tanks and healers
dense plover
my problem with proudmore keep isnt the lack of npcs
its the fact that the keep is still a hot mess
hollow dock
yea and that's most pugs mistake for most failing.
dense plover
turn to the right of that
also the area by the pool to the left
the trees jutting straight out of the concrete
give me 15
tropic trail
You'd think there would be more guards for the keep
uncut vault
theres entire regiments
tropic trail
guards are too busy guarding the docks
hollow dock
I can't wait for BFa raiding. Tierless raiding is going to be fantastic <3
uncut vault
Now has its own little subzone, Lord Admirals Rest
hollow dock
no its hitting live like that :p
uncut vault
dense plover
it looks like what the city looks like
tropic trail
Map looks fine
tropic trail
True, just isnt what im used to
dense plover
yeah
tropic trail
I think there should be achieves for PvP where you go to the opposite faction's keep or whatever and kill the leader
dense plover
theres a different style
tropic trail
I thought it looked unfinished
dense plover
it doesnt
hollow dock
Oh like they have in the faction cities, Lizard?
tropic trail
Oui
uncut vault
What does Azerite Attuned mean?
hollow dock
its attuned to Azurite =3
uncut vault
Theres achieves to get all three times of azerite armor as Azerite Attuned
Ive got azerite armor on, but dont have the achieves
tropic trail
But like, you'd go to the Proudmoore keep and kill Mommy Proudmoore and the same for the Zandalari place
hollow dock
Maybe its max out that specific azerite armor?