When was rezan resurrected? @hollow dock
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tulip sun
sharp bluff
whaaaaaa ๐ฎ Peach spread the news
tulip sun
Spam tag peach: p
hollow dock
You all have been here
tulip sun
๐
hollow dock
since he said it
multiple times
O.o
y'all got the memory of a goldfish or something?
tulip sun
When did he say it?! I have not been reading tbh
sharp bluff
I had over 300+ messages, just ignored them honestly
hollow dock
sucks for you all then
tulip sun
Vris apparently just being a jerk. I suppose the talk was of that cutscene
dense plover
yeah thats not zandalari recruitment
thats the end of zandalar forever whicch is the zandalar completion scenario
hollow dock
ah ok
so end of the zandalari forever rezan gets rezzed. So why is a new loa needed? @sharp bluff
uncut vault
he isnt rezzed
its just an image that talanji shows
along with the other loa that died
sharp bluff
well either way, still paladins
meager warren
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
jade basalt
There's no way to look at warfront sets in-game right ? Except for a few Tier 1 helms/shoulders/chest from the world boss loot.
tulip sun
Do you guys think the cinematics are final or will we get like, really neat ones like the broken shore or epilogues
tulip sun
Gotta admit, some of these are really uhh....ya, not that high quality.
uncut vault
theyre not meant to be cinematics, theyre meant to be cutscenes
uncut vault
less end of zone/raid ones, more like the ones scattered through uldum
uncut vault
you want them to make thirty of those?
tulip sun
Anyway, no. I don't expect them too. But at least refine them...like ya. Their heads in particular are a bit funky trying to match dialogue.
dense plover
they arent final
theyll be some touchups
maybe some visual filters for some
and there are plenty of rendered cutscenes
theres at least 2 in the siege
probably one for teldrassil
and then each zone seems to have at least one
with the finale usually having one as well
although im pretty sure the rezan death cinematic is a placeholder considering it was originally listed as a cinematic
but is currently a rtc
sometimes they make rtc to visualize what they want to make actual cinematics of too
so it may be a placeholder or they mightve changed their minds
uncut vault
vrykul helms, nice
probably sold by the gals at each dock
possible new faction weapons in the prepatch is also very nice
wild pewter
So more Gilneas? ๐
tulip sun
We need more specialized race-themed outfits and gear like those
hollow dock
I really fuckin hope the ranged weapons and the spellhammer are place holder models
uncut vault
they are
hollow dock
OK thank god.
uncut vault
the two handed sword for alliance currently uses a zandalari leveling sword
hollow dock
Yea that seemed off to me
uncut vault
this part of the maghar updates confuses me
"It was here that Gul'dan once traveled between worlds with the aid of the Vision of Time."
when did guldan ever interact with the vision of time?
hollow dock
He traveled to our world through a legion portal. He wasn't even in Blasted Lands. O.o
and even if its not AU Ghoulish Daniel
MU Ghoulish Daniel traveled normally through the dark portal
mint arch
Throughout the scenario, we receive hints that the Light, when unchecked, can destroy the land and lead to destructive fanaticism.
sigh
-_-
terse patrol
Ehhh
tulip sun
I mean, this was shown in legion I thought.
hollow dock
where Light is used as a literal weapon
terse patrol
I kinda doubt. The Draenei said the Orcs were destroying the land.
mint arch
i was hoping it was one off naaru that were fanatical
hollow dock
To destroy buildings
mint arch
but now its the light itself thats fanatical
hollow dock
The orcs say the draenei are destroying the land Honk
tulip sun
They never stated they were destroying the land I am pretty sure
hollow dock
No it's no tvoid
tulip sun
The draenei that is
hollow dock
you're misreading it D=
uncut vault
draenei think its the orcs doing it
tulip sun
Orcs ain't doing shat right now, lo
hollow dock
Both sides said the other was destroying the land Khamnin
uncut vault
orcs think its the draenei doing it
uncut vault
more likely its the naaru forcing conflict
hollow dock
Anyways. Void.
mint arch
sup
hollow dock
Light itself isn't fanatical. it's an energy
How it's used is why it's destroying Draenor. Supposedly.
mint arch
hmm, i hope its like that
hollow dock
When unchecked it leads to destruction and unhealthy fanaticism
Ya know
like the Scarlet Crusade
or the Adherents
hollow dock
Half of the identity of being a templar is all about fanaticism
mint arch
but i dont want it to be that light itself is fanatical
mint arch
i agree
hollow dock
Light is just an energy of the cosmos in WoW.
It's capable of destruction and healing. It's up to us how it's used.
and just like void, it can go to far and be not only self-destructive, but harm everything around the user.
mint arch
welllll
at a fundamental level, light is a force/energy of... good
while void is destructive
or w/e
mint arch
poor choice of words
i know
but
the idea that light = void and its only about how u use it
is meh to me
hollow dock
Light can be healing and is mostly used for that, but it is not only that.
Void can be destruction and is mostly used for that, but it is not only that.
Think of Yin and Yang
Neither side is fully white or black
that is what blizzard is trying to have Light and Void be
uncut vault
theyre painting the void the way theyve always painted the light
a neutral force whos purpose depends on the person wielding it
mint arch
ah, but is the light neutral?
hollow dock
Yup. And when that force is left unchecked, it can have devastating effects
Light has, and always will bem neutral.
Light has never picked a side of good or evil because those social constructs simply don't exist for it. It's only up to how we end up using it.
mint arch
well, in general fiction, light is the force used to create the universe or w/e
so its generally thought of a force of "good"
hollow dock
Light cannot create on its own. It always requires a shadow.
hollow dock
Yup. Where-as most fantasy settings cover 'dark' as being nothing but evil and 'Light' being nothing but good
larger settings like Warcraft, D&D, etc
paint them as just energy that we use
mint arch
das true
hollow dock
It can be evil or it can be good
jade basalt
"Had there been any doubt, I would never have allowed the shard to fall into the wrong hands. Not again." - the bronze dragon
Because giving the shard that allows you to reach alternate timelines to Sylvanas the Banshee Queen who wants to bring more orcs to fuel her war is a good idea
mint arch
indeed -_-
hollow dock
I believe its supposed to be Chromie
mint arch
lul
jade basalt
Should call him Kairoz 2.0 now.
mint arch
as i said, when blizzard want something, they'll force a way
or retcon a way
doesnt need to make sense
just needs to be
hollow dock
sadly thats how it is
jade basalt
Kairoz did a horrible, horrible thing, opening the way to an alternate universe. And bringing an entire army of orcs and all.
Hey what if we did literally the exact same thing, without any explanation as to why, contradicting our very purpose as guardians of the timeways, but this time it's okay for some unknown reason ?
uncut vault
anachronos is just going through his rebellious teen phase
uncut vault
"no dad, you cant tell me how to control the timewaves!"
mint arch
i mean, come now ppl, WoD was 4 years ago
jade basalt
And what the hell is that thing about Gul'dan at the Dark Portal with a shard of the Vision of Time ? Not only was the shard in Garrosh's hands last we heard (one might argue that we were so stupid we left it on his body and so Gul'dan or his minions just found/retrieved it, I guess), but did they forget the HFC ending cinematic, where Archimonde sends him through the portal ? Or what they said at Blizzcon, that he ended up with Kil'jaeden ? And I guess the Dark Portal was unguarded when he, apparently, crossed it ?
mint arch
u cant expect blizzard to remember stuff from way back then
and here is a prime example of allied race issues
uncut vault
less than that in the canon timeline
mint arch
blizzard can potentially make any race an allied race
uncut vault
only been about a year and a half since WoD by the beginning of BfA
uncut vault
really should have kept kairoz alive
hollow dock
Ghoulish daniels involvement with this shard makes no sense
uncut vault
his death was such a waste, and he'd fit in this role so well
the son of nozdormu shouldnt want to help the horde bring in alternate timeline orcs, permanently
but a renegade like kairoz, who literally created AU draenor? fits perfectly
mint arch
blizzard don't care about the dragons, cata showed us that
a bronze dragon is just a tool for em to use
they should just use "bronze dragon #3"
dense plover
so what are the chances the cutscene where grommash sacrifices himself against the lightbound ends up being similar to the wc3 cutscene where grommash sacrifices himself?
personally i would love some subtle callbacks at least with camera angles or dialogue
mint arch
i dunno, itll probably involve his son
and female thrall jesus
but ya, there will be callbacks id assume
dense plover
personally i would actually be okay with it
because it would be a different version of the same cutscene
and that would be badass
but i also dont actually want that
mint arch
my worry is how or why mannoroth would be lightforged... i shudder at the retcon/forcing blizzard would do with that
mint arch
true
dense plover
a lightforged pit lord
honestly it would be cool to see them using an army of lightforged demons
especially with the fall of the legion
mint arch
well, are we sure how legion's end works with time travel
is the legion of AU also dead?
was it the same legion
its... confusing
dense plover
its the same legion
since the au draenor essentially exists as a bubble surrounded by the twisting nether
mint arch
but ya, i definitely see light demons in the future when we fight against the void lords
but on the army of the light side
dense plover
we wont ever directly fight the void lords
its impossible
when they touch the edge of our existance they cause mass destruction
mint arch
nothing is impossible with blizzard good sir
mint arch
ethereal playable race pls
mint arch
dun worry, void elves weren't many
and who needs customization with etherals
they badass enough as it is =D
jade basalt
We don't know that more ethereals can't be made, to be fair. In fact it looks like that was what that Void ethereal was trying to do to Umbric and his Void followers.
- My people were reshaped by the void. Stripped of the limitations of flesh. We offer you the same gift.
- I offer freedom. I offer strength. Cast off your mortal shackles.
- We must stop this transformation before my people are lost!
However Alleria interrupted the transformation, leaving them "changed". One Void elf does note that the transformation made him lose his dexterity in his fingers at first.
That's a neat staff as well, don't remember seeing it in a Wowhead post.
That's funny, the Sethrak-themed polearm is translucent under certain angles.
tropic trail
potential vrykul allied race?
mint arch
๐
tropic trail
Finally, with that floppy fish, I can cosplay as murky from HotS
cinder knoll
why dont you cosplay as murky from WOW? ๐
sullen dagger
honestly, no one else thinks thet eredar would be a super awesome race / subrace
?
uncut vault
Assuming either side would accept them
deft escarp
Why would any faction accept them?
meager warren
.....Why wouldn't they?
deft escarp
Because they have been the main antagonist for both factions for centuries
sullen dagger
yeah, but the idea of sub-races it's a fork from a main race
so it's not that weird
the skeleton and strings are quite the same of a draenai
it kinda fits better that the lightforged tbh
deft escarp
I would prefer the Broken
They are an obvious ally
No idea why Blizz didn't add them instead of Void Elves/LF Draeneis
meager warren
The Demon Hunters were big antagonists in TBC, Undead and Death Knights were big antagonists in Wrath, Zandalari Trolls were antagonists in Mists, Mag'har were big antagonists in WoD.
It's almost like both the Alliance and the Horde are willing to forgive their former enemies when they prove themselves.
deft escarp
I guess anything is possible with the right story writing
meager warren
You forget. This is Blizzard writing the game
uncut vault
I'd bring up the argument of there being no reason for them when theres already a friendly race just like them but
void elves threw that out the window
deft escarp
Void Elves threw a whole lot of things out of the window...
meager warren
one of those things it threw out the window is, Horde is supposed to get all the edgy and "evil" races
but hey, like i said, it's blizz
deft escarp
I don't know which is worse: Lightforged Draenei or Void Elves ๐ค
meager warren
both
deft escarp
haha
meager warren
except, LF Draenei probably fits more into the Alliance than Velves imo
deft escarp
I guess. But we already have light-worshiping space goats
meager warren
tru
deft escarp
We don't need lightier-worshiping space goats
uncut vault
luckily, it seems like theyre pushing them in a unique direction in BfA
bit of the same fanatacism as the lightbound have, instead of just normal draenei but yellow
meager warren
M o R A l L Y GrEY
cinder knoll
@meager warren demon hunters were actually the good guys, they wanted to fight the Legion, story of TBC was kind of messy in terms of who is really the bad guy, undead were controlled by Lich King, when they broke free and gained free will, they joined horde, same applies to DKs, they didnt choose to be bad, they were forced... on the other hand, Eredar had choice to join Sargeras or decline and flee with Velen, they decided to stay, for this decision none would accept them, there are things which can't be forgotten, as Velen said in Antorus, there cant be a redemption, only retribution
strange falcon
cough retcon cough 
cinder knoll
what retcon exactly?
TBC?
to be honest, I didnt pay that much attention to quests etc in that time, so I cant really say, but was it some point where Illidari said they want to destroy universe or something like that? whole TBC was told from the point of view of one side, that doesnt mean the other side doesnt have different opinion
and they are known for doign moraly gray things for greater purpose (defeating the Legion)
sullen dagger
i'd go for the same reason they aint adding tuskarr / shetrak / non human kind characters
they are hyper duper niche
you add void elves, and peolpe are going to play it
you add tuskar and...
yeah, not that amount of people
same with the broken
strange falcon
well,if you look at all the evidence supporting playable vulpera,it's really hard to deny they wont be playable,they have many any animations that are player only and would never be used for an NPC,wowhead yesterday did a really good article on this,describing most of the evidence
sullen dagger
yeah, i saw that
and vulpera is kida expectable
but tuskar...
or shetrakk
i dunno man
strange falcon
and the only "logically fitting" allied race for vulpera is the snakemen,but as we saw with void elves,we shouldnt take things for granted,because asspulls are real xd
strange falcon
the absolute worst of the worst case scenario is nightelf worgen,but do they really want to go so low?
deft escarp
Asspulling races are just going piss people off
tulip sun
A lot on forums mentioned night elf worgen
deft escarp
Give us races that has been requested for instead
tulip sun
I think they'd like it
strange falcon
goblin and worgen updates are ""in the works""
dusky ginkgo
Like, have there been updates on the "In the works" or is it still the Blizzcon "In the works"?
strange falcon
still blizzcon in the works
dusky ginkgo
Damnit.
I'm very sorry for worgens and goblins players. I would be loosing hope too, at this point.
cinder knoll
are worgens and goblins now older than old races were when they got update?
I think they arent, but not sure
hollow dock
I mean. Guys. Its not coming in BFAs launch but will be sometime in BFA. =/
terse patrol
The only race atm that fits being added to match Worgen are Sethrak.
The cat people from Warlords are unlikely to happen.
sullen dagger
again, i doubt very much they will add more than the vulpera as anthro races
that's a) too much work for them and b) niche races
and they are supposedly be the hook for this xpac
strange falcon
how is it too much work for them,
a full race is too much work apparently
but they're doing fine with allied races
hollow dock
Its not that a full race is to much work, its that allied races are faster.
sullen dagger
^
deft escarp
Man, I wish you could do polls over Discord
I want see the most requested allied race
brave cypress
wtf people are NOT voting naga there lol
hollow dock
So? Classic was and it still happened.
hollow dock
Again: so? Was classic ever likely until it got confirmed? Likeliness isnt a reason to stop the good fight.
deft escarp
I think the other poll was made before BFA got announced
terse patrol
^
terse patrol
Of course we do, but mechanically its unfeasible
I mean, they could likely have the naga drape themselves over the mount saddle.
But idk how theyโd wear pants/shoes.
sharp bluff
and no nice naga other then the ones helping DH
deft escarp
We'd sooner see Murlocs being added honestly
dusky ginkgo
I would accept high elves, I guess, if they are exactly like blood elves with blue eyes. No special hairstyles, no warpaint, and stuff like that. (Or they give new hairstyles and warpaint to blood elves as well)
Also Vris darling, I am sad for the goblins/worgens players 'cause they have been waiting for two expansions and there is no news or update on those models, so it kinda feel like it have been forgotten again.
Oh, while I'm at it, I think the Lightforged hairstyles should be availables for all draeneis. Same for Zandalaris, Mag'hars and futur Kul'tiran.
I don't remember if Highmountains have special hairstyles.
I'm voting for more hairstyles for everyone.
(Mag'hars had some very cool hairstyles, if I remember correctly)
MORE CUSTOMISATION FOR EVERYYYOOOONE /o/ throwing confettis
tropic trail
I wish wow had more customization like BDO, I hate that most characters looks pretty similar other than slightly diff faces and hair. Every wow character looks like they are related close or distantly
karmic copper
@tropic trail ur here too 
tropic trail
Hehe why wouldnt I be @karmic copper 
terse patrol
no
You get DI Dwarves by getting exalted with the 7th Legion
So, when you finish patch 8.0โs content
sharp bluff
Prepatch is 2 mounts, one a side
tropic trail
Any guides so far for quickly unlocking DI Dwarves?
Thats something I really, really want
Swole bat
hollow dock
You quest and do the war campaign
and when you hit exaulted with the 7th legion
you get the quest to recruit em
tropic trail
that would've been nice to know
hollow dock
You never hit exaulted without repeating quests or a mob grind
tropic trail
Do we know when Pre Patch is?
tropic trail
when does bfa come out
karmic copper
14th august
sour burrow
We can pray. :P
drifting current
They just need a way to get past all the, model based issues
sour burrow
They have. The only [???] is helmets and their head is actually pretty helmet friendly due to the little 'slouched' arch it has. It's very similar to the Worgen's neck, just without the furry mane.
drifting current
Right with that sorted Sethrak for the Horde please 
sour burrow
Now now, don't be a greedy Hordey. :P
drifting current
I can be as greedy as I like, itโs snake people and Iโm here for it
drifting current
I donโt want Vulpera, I want Snake bois, they suit the horde aesthetic more
sour burrow
https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-battle-for-azeroth-races
Then we consider what's their natural tendency - are they likely to be more sympathetic to the Horde or the Alliance? - and then if we noticed a preponderance of really big, tough-looking races on one side or really charming, cool, cute-looking races on the other, then we try to do a little bit of a rebalance. Those profiles and those aesthetics are really important. We didn't want everyone on the Horde to look ugly, right?
terse patrol
@drifting current If you want to play tall, beautiful snake people, the Alliance is there waiting for you.
drifting current
Iโm leaving Vulpera to The Alliance and Goldshire inn RP
terse patrol
Sorry. Vulpera are a Horde only faction in game. ๐
The Alliance didnโt get Helves. We get Snakes.
๐
terse patrol
Hence why we deserve snakes.
sour burrow
- Sethrak match the virtues of the Alliance a bit more, while vulpera match the feistyness of the Horde.
- Cute and tough-looking swapping sides, so sethrak would be welcome on Alliance.
- Profiles and aesthetics. Filling niches, etc.
- "We didn't want everyone on Horde to look ugly" = Vulpera definitely what's being talked about there, lol.
terse patrol
^
The Horde have two beast races (tauren). Alliance have one.
So, weโll get Sethrak.
drifting current
I donโt think: Tyrande, Velen, Genn, Malfurion, Falstad Wildhammer, Mauradin Bronzebeard or Turalyon would like actual deceptive Snake people in the Alliance
sour burrow
Deceptive?
terse patrol
The Sethrak arenโt deceptive?
sour burrow
Small question, have you played the beta for Alliance and Horde both..?
for the Vol'dun area?
terse patrol
Theyโre actually fairly straight forward, religious people.
Whereas the Vulpera are. . . very violent.
sour burrow
Especially Nisha. :P
drifting current
I donโt even have a key but my boyfriend does and Iโve been backseat playing, and most of there people are trying to kill us all, and raised an Old God monster from the darkness
sour burrow
Right. Those are Faithless.
terse patrol
They like talking about murdering Sethrak.
sour burrow
Meanwhile, back with Vorrik, there's a faction called The Devoted.
terse patrol
Vorrikโs Sethraks are good Sethrak. Theyโre very Alliance oriented.
drifting current
Besides Vorrik encounters the Horde first, and the Horde are the ones who liberate Volโdun, the Alliance are just there to attack Zandalar
sour burrow
While the Horde spends more time questing with the sethrak overall, Alliance does very similar quests as part of their foothold and ends up with the same world quests for the sethrak as well. (We're disappointed that sethrak aren't revisited later on, but the door is still open for it to happen in another patch.)
drifting current
The Horde saves Volโdun from the faithless
sour burrow
I highly encourage you to watch a recent playthrough of the Alliance foothold for vol'dun.
terse patrol
They seem to hate all Sethrak.
sharp bluff
Genn takes those who don't stab people in the back while he is watching now though Pog, but only those he sees
I am joking btw
sour burrow
There are doors opened for the Alliance to befriend the sethrak in the long term. We'll see if Blizzard writes for that outcome or if sethrak get abandoned by both factions, but I think everyone would be pissed of Horde gets TWO newly made beast races and Alliance gets zero.
sharp bluff
worst character development arc ever (read in comic book guys voice)
drifting current
Sometimes the Horde beast stereotype should be stuck too
terse patrol
The Alliance will likely get Sethrak, I think.
Blizzard seems to be doing an allied race for each base race.
All we have left are gnomes, goblins, worgen, and undead.
So, junker gnomes, vulpera, sethrak, and sanlayn.
drifting current
Sanโlayn arenโt happening, Junker Gnomes feels like a bit of a push for a race we havenโt even seen yet, Vulpera and Sethrak are just all up for arguments
sharp bluff
doubt Sanlayn myself, but i can't think of anything else honestly, for undead that is
Junker gnomes exist though lol, unlike a single void elf in legion
so not to far a push
sour burrow
San'layn (sadly) fills a niche. Vampires. We have Werewolves so it fills the vampire niche. :P
drifting current
My hatred of Gnomes will spill over with Junker Gnomes I think
terse patrol
Is that why theres unique gnome assets in Kul Tiras?
sour burrow
Sethrak feels the androgenous + reptilian beast niche.
sharp bluff
๐ค
drifting current
And weโve already got Lightforged races
sour burrow
"Junker" gnomes fills (maybe) a steampunk niche.
sharp bluff
there won't be lightforged undead, those are slaves to the light
sullen dagger
whatever rings your bell
sharp bluff
Junker gnomes though... are the dead? or in hiding?
sour burrow
And Vulpera fills a cutesy fox/furry niche (in a way that's far better than any other character-based game, even with the lack of headhair lol)
sharp bluff
those towns look dead
drifting current
Blizzard wonโt just start Lightforging everything
terse patrol
Theyโre missing.
sharp bluff
just not in main universe
terse patrol
We think theyโre inside the Vault.
terse patrol
drifting current
Gnomes are the worst thing to taint WoW and I will burn Blizzard to the ground before 2 Gnome races appear in character creation
terse patrol
โWar. . . War never changes.โ Gib fallout gnomes.
sour burrow
Two gnome races will never appear on one page of character creation. Unlike elves *cough*
sharp bluff
gnomes are the worst? have you not seen worgen females?
terse patrol
Worgen females are the worst thing in WoW.
sharp bluff
^
drifting current
Gnomes are the worst in every way humanly possible, Worgen Females are just bad from a visual PoV
terse patrol
Gnome waifus tho
drifting current
Kill it
sharp bluff
Without gnomish tech I am pretty sure the Alliance would be screwed multiple times over
sour burrow
lol indeed.
drifting current
Gnomes are the reason I joined the Horde
sharp bluff
gnome is the only Vanilla race I have left on alliance (rest are allied races)
terse patrol
See what they did with dwarves with Dark Irons.
Dark Irons are literally the best race atm
sour burrow
https://discord.gg/wrtjcH The Sethrak Discord group.
drifting current
They make me angry Honk, like, blood boiling with rage angry
Dark Irons are awesome
sharp bluff
I think it is a Draw between DI and the laughing skull Orc for me Honk
love the fact my Orc will look good in that skull helm from WoD now
DI i think have the best Alliance heritage armor for sure though
drifting current
Dark Irons may well be another Alliance race I will play
terse patrol
Iโm going DI mage
sharp bluff
Warlock? you guessed it, I have plate armor
terse patrol
Dude
I want that dark iron axe
And I want to be able to use it as a mage
โMiss, thatโs an axe.โ
sharp bluff
๐ข
terse patrol
โNae, thatโs me staff.โ
โThen why do you scream โTASTE ME AXEโ when you hit things with it?โ
sour burrow
(Aww, the topic changed XD my specialty is in Vol'dun and game files relating to vulpera/sethrak haha.)
molten gyro
Anyone playing atm?
sullen dagger
bfa or wowยฟ?
molten gyro
bfa
dense plover
its new
it tells you where the trait comes from
its probably going to be related to the viewing of gear traits in the dungeon journal
since its nazmir-gear specific and will only appear on gear earned there
worn rune
Ah
dense plover
probably including the underrot and uldir
it will be very useful if you are looking at traits on a database and want to know where to find that trait
sour burrow
That'd be my guess, too.
worn rune
At first I thought it would only work in that zone
worn rune
Yea
dense plover
like you might be able to search the journal for traits or something
and again, itll be great for databases
sour burrow
Speaking of 'kind of sucks', I really like some of the pvp traits, but...
I also think there's going to be a lot of hotfixes and rebalancing regarding the new system. How does it work when using group finder? How does it work with dungeons? Why can't we have two skill bar setups, one for war mode and one for non-war mode? Stuff like that. It's certainly fun in concept, but it's going to be really rough at launch.
I'll be running war mode for the initial rush, at least, since I plan to be online right off. Maybe save War Campaign quests for 120 so I can avoid the other continent entirely.
hollow dock
because war mode is literally just flagging for PVP
they changed its name and where you're sharded.
You get your group together in 1 shard. t
that's it
it works identically to normal flagged PVP of today
sour burrow
So clunky as fuck, then? :P
Ever had 'cannot heal that target because you're not flagged for pvp' come up?
sour burrow
Do I only see war mode groups?
Do I join a random group and HOPE it's a war mode group otherwise I don't phase to them?
If I do phase to them, what happens to my war mode talents?
hollow dock
You rwarmode talents kick in the moment you flick on warmode
it'll never be auto flicked for you
dense plover
if you phase to pve, your talents turn off probably
hollow dock
it's a choice you have to make
dense plover
they do turn off in dungeons and raids
and warfronts
any queued pve content auto disables war mode talents
sour burrow
So they do auto-disable for instanced stuff? K, so then maybe the tech is there to auto-swap off if you get grouped with a non-war-mode group.
hollow dock
which probably means outside of making the group yourself within the warmode phase
you'll get booted out of it while you're in group
sour burrow
But then what if I host as war mode? What happens to others if they join? Do they get pulled in? That would be annoying too.
dense plover
i dont think so
hollow dock
If you're in group finder I believe the same happens if you were to join one
dense plover
i dont think you can join war mode groups unless you are in war mode
i dont think they show up in groupfinder actually
sour burrow
I'll be curious to see what their final decisions are on all these things, for sure.
dense plover
if anyone has beta and a horde character, id be willing to test it
sour burrow
I still think we should have bar setups for both but...
dense plover
i need at least one other person
sour burrow
Sure, I've got some time to test / play with it. I'm flagged war mode atm because I like the +Rage and +100% Movement Travel-form (always) traits.
dense plover
what server?
sour burrow
Forfoxsake-Anduin
sour burrow
Horde, like you said. You can also invite cross-server here.
So server shouldn't matter aside from suffix on whisper.
dense plover
yeah but i want to remove all obstacles for testing
sour burrow
K. I'll port to Org for now.
sour burrow
Hmm. War mode doesn't seem to flag when in Orgrimmar. (I didn't have the standard shield buff)
hollow dock
gotta leave the city for it
dense plover
so the way it works right now is as follows
sour burrow
--Since it feels like it hasn't really been modified huh? Yeah, ptr for 7.3.5 where they add war mode will likely be when they try to test stuff.
dense plover
you can group across flag, but you are still phased so you cant see them
but they still have the pve flag on group finder
so my current theory is that theyll add a pvp flag for people who are in war mode and make a group
and itll give you a warning when you sign up for a group that is flagged the opposite of what you are
before enabling you as such
OR
war mode groups wont auto flag you
and it will say something like - you can join this group but you wont be phased until you return to a city and turn on war mode
i hope its the first option
sour burrow
I'm hoping for a 'do you want to phase' type accept button, or at the very least having custom and questing only show pvp / pve as applicable. It's just... it feels so clunky right now, haha.
sour burrow
Thx for testing though. My questions are still valid in the long term concepts, and even more so when you consider what it does to things like being marked as a bounty/assassin, etc.
dense plover
island expeditions dont have a real UI yet
communities still arent in
oh and they are definitely valid
but i imagine that like for assassins or bounties, it wont let you phase to pvp for like 10 min or something
sour burrow
I can understand why they would put some sort of restrictions on it. I've often used group finder to run from pvp server stuff.
Having bounties do that with war mode feels kind of broken.
Maybe have that 'accept' thing if you have any +kill buffs on you, say 'if you phase, you'll lose your buffs'?
dense plover
that wouldnt be fair to people chasing you
sour burrow
Right.
dense plover
i believe what they will go with is - you need to wait X min before joining this group
sour burrow
But meanwhile, I don't like the thought of being unable to actually properly use group finder for stuff like world quests.
dense plover
or - you can not join this group with a bbounty active
which is why i imagine groups will be separated by if you are or arent flagged for pvp
sour burrow
The reason you can only toggle it in Org/SW is pretty obvious, but without the right changes to group finder at the very least, I could see it causing a lot of problems.
sour burrow
Yeah, I see that as the most likely, at least for 'questing' groups.
dense plover
im hopeful because the amount of times ive joined a group, found out its a pvp realm and immediately left so that i dont die has gotten ridiculous
hollow dock
I've just memorized the PVP realms at this point and dont join them
sour burrow
XD I'm on PvP so it's usually the other way around. I end up joining groups to run from 'dead server' pvp issues.
Dungeons/Raids still need to be set up to allow people from different groups to join them. Even though it'd be annoying trying to summon people since the stones are all on the outside of instances. Might be time to put the summoning stones on the inside, perhaps...
hollow dock
I imagine it'd work like the Northrend issue
where at certain quests you're placed into a phase
away from those that didn't do em
and when you group up and run into ICC or the dungeons, you're still in group
dense plover
i mean, you can join cross group
summoning stones will probably be the biggest pain
but what i imagine will happen is if you dont have a bounty on your head, youll be able to join a group by accepting a thing with a warnng
and if you have a bounty, thats your fault tbh
you dont get that by accident
sour burrow
Actually uhh... I kinda did!! XD
I killed a few around the Sethrak temple by joining in with other people, so that I could turn in my quests safely.
And suddenly, bounty. :P
hollow dock
That isn't an accident. You killed players.
sour burrow
I defended myself successfully, also by being a tank you tend not to die too much.
So it kind of stacks up over time.
hollow dock
Word or phrase it however ya want
that's not accidental. If ya kill players, you get a bounty.
sour burrow
I wasn't out seeking bloodshed, or making a goal out of it, or anything like that. Hence 'accident'.
I wasn't even spending time at the temple beyond turning in my quests across two different trips, lol.
hollow dock
You're still killing players. Whether or not you're doing it en mass or over time, it's still fulfilling the systems requirements
sour burrow
It's remarkably easy to get such a thing.
That makes it an accident rather than something I'm aiming for.
You can't avoid killing players in war mode if there's players around that are fighting. You get dragged in and either your side wins or theirs does.
hollow dock
So you didn't expect at all to get a bounty on you for killing peeps?
sour burrow
Nope, especially when I only had a few kills. I think the #'s are set lower than intended for testing purposes too.
hollow dock
even though that's the only way you can get a bounty. Which is killing people.
Alright then
sour burrow
Correct. You're missing the part of where I'm being attacked and have to attack back, or die continuously because they won't let me turn in my quests. :P
hollow dock
OK. And? if you kill people expect to get a bounty on you. that's how the system works. O.o
dense plover
bounty is 5 people
assassin is 10
its not lower than intended
those are the intended numbers
sour burrow
I actually got the assassin thing before the arrow-bounty, and it wasn't even 5 it felt like.
tulip sun
dense plover
agh
tulip sun
Seems real
sour burrow
Again, you think I'm a fucking moron. I know why it happened. I'm saying it is an accident because it's not something I'm trying to accomplish. I just don't die much because I'm a tank.
dense plover
im not saying youre dumb
sour burrow
Not you, lol, that other guy.
hollow dock
Im not either.
dense plover
im saying those are the numbers based on a blue post
hollow dock
Im saying that's not what an accident is
sour burrow
It wasn't intentional, thus it's an accident. Intention is what defines an accident.
hollow dock
not really? not where I come from anyways
dense plover
not exactly
an accident would be attacking enemies and accidentally hitting a player
it was unintentional
hollow dock
an accident is something that happens outside of your control whilst unaware of the consequences.
sour burrow
"An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury."
My goal is not to get a bounty. I'm not in a 5 player group raiding an encampment. I'm not actively seeking out targets to kill. I'm trying to quest and turn in quests.
dense plover
honestly pvp balance is a mess
and a lot of people have been asking for them to increase the numbers
hollow dock
But you're killing the players regardless of intent. The system doesn't care for your intents
sour burrow
Again, you're trying to claim that the accident is related to the system. It's not.
dense plover
its kind of gross
sour burrow
The system may be correct, but your semantics are totally looking at the wrong data here.
sour burrow
By playing the game in a way that accomplishes me surviving and completing my quests, while focused specifically on quests? Yes.
sour burrow
Yes, there are players around. Attacking me. I attack back. Other people are around. They cause the deaths. I get a kill credit.
hollow dock
So you're killing players. Not expecting to get a bounty on you.
sour burrow
See, you're treating me like I'm a moron.
hollow dock
Your intent doesn't matter. The reasons of defending yourself doesn't matter.
sour burrow
My intent does matter, that's half the definition of accident.
"An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury."
hollow dock
Since you want to copy the defininiton
stop using half
"an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause."
sour burrow
I'm using what pops up from my double-click definer.
hollow dock
And Im using google. Accident has many different definitions to it. The second one applies better to your situation since that definition also shares space with 'coincidence' or 'freak'
which is how you're describing to have gotten your bounty
sour burrow
From my perspective, it is an accident, as is the definition of it. It was unintentional, and as I was not aiming to accomplish that goal like a 5-man group setting out to wreak havoc, then yes, it is also unexpected.
sour burrow
I happened to have stayed alive because of the efforts of other squishier people.
hollow dock
Correct?
tulip sun
Agh. Interesting things from this guy
sour burrow
*sighs* You are insufferable because this whole argument is you arguing about whether it's an accident or not. From my perspective, it was an accident, because it was unintentional. Killing the other players? Intentional. Doing well enough to get a bounty? Unintentional. I was focusing on quests, not pvp. Hence accident.
uncut vault
sour burrow
If you can't accept that, then you can bite me, lol.
uncut vault
Win screen for island expeditions
sour burrow
Oh, neat.
tulip sun
Haha
sour burrow
They're doing strange things with their necklaces o.o;
sullen dagger
smh beta these days
sour burrow
Yeah, that they're holding them like that is what's amusing to me.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/420731094657400834/451119936564363289/unknown.png
ArtOffLoop used in game, btw.
sour burrow
Right, and custom made for them not copied. With no real indication other than fucking with us as to why that is, lol.
There may be some missing IGCs for Vol'dun but as it stands, I didn't run into that animation during any of my most recent replaying of the zone (yesterday).
hollow dock
Here is my assumption: We transform into them or there is a toy that we can get that turns us into them
Thus they need animations like that. to fit the player actions
either that or they use the animation independently of the Heart and use it for other items
sour burrow
Given how frequently and pointlessly the Sethrak seem to be edited, thus breaking WoWMV, they may be doing things behind the scenes with them for later on.
hollow dock
or the least likely, Snakes and Foxes are the next allied race.
uncut vault
It definitely isnโt for something special in the zone, because unlike other NPC only animation in the past, like the bolvar one atop ICC, this one works with other animations, same as the other races
sour burrow
They do not use it for Lesser Healing Potion or [?] Oil.
hollow dock
Potions I thought used the normal drinking animation
sour burrow
There's no toys to TF into Sethrak.
hollow dock
yet*
sour burrow
No, I mean for the spell Sethrak have in the dungeon/world.
uncut vault
You can have a sethrak use the heart anim while walking or channeling, which you canโt do with any other NPC anim
sour burrow
Azerite Grenade uses ArtOffLoop in one instance but not in all instances, which is strange. And yeah, there's weird mixing things that can be done these days. Partial animation hooks. But so far I've seen no skills that use it for Sethrak, no IGC where it'd end up used, no transformation toys with vol'dun already getting a full compilation of toys, and more.
Leading me to assume that either they're fucking with us there, or they actually intend to make Sethrak an allied race around 8.2 alongside vulpera.
We had, 4 builds ago, tabards and player capes show up as geosets on Sethrak_Melee.
3 builds ago, player cape was removed
2 builds ago, tabard geosets were removed.
hollow dock
Maybe it's debate in the office then? or maybe they wanted to see how it looks?
or maybe they're planning on using hte Sethrak model for something that would involve tabards and capes
sour burrow
"Why the hell was this stuff added???" lol, who knows. It was probably a push to 'the wrong model' ;)
It didn't line up well with their creature armor, and they set the tabard back flap across their tail base which was at least some degree of effort.
Again, possible to be fucking with us dataminers but who really knows. It's fun hype if nothing else, especially with vulpera SO damned obvious.
A recent pointless addition for vulpera, a JumpStart #2
(Female version currently incomplete, 2 builds)
Gotta poof. *wavesbye*
grizzled sleet
How many island expeditions are there in the beta?
uncut vault
7 iirc
grizzled sleet
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/resized/673302.jpg this one from blizzcon is added ?
grizzled sleet
Humm
uncut vault
Im actually queueing to find that one, lol
grizzled sleet
lol ok ๐ I hope it's actually added, I like the design
I still haven't saw anyone playing this on twitch
uncut vault
if it isnt a launch one, its certainly a patch one
molten gyro
is that after Ravenswood?
dense plover
that one isnt in yet
theyre saving it for later
i think they plan to add several as post-launch drip content
there are like 12 islands in files
but only 6 in actual rotation, and 1 for tutorial
i wouldnt be surprised if they had an 8.0.5 which has balance changes and more islands
also that one is really big
uncut vault
Im hoping the vague junker gnome one is more than just a random island, and has some story
dense plover
and totally different than all of the islands
jade basalt
Mechagnome Island hasn't been heard of since it was first datamined. But with the whole "junker gnome" thing it might return.
dense plover
thats pretty much the same state as havenswood
clearly gilnean influenced, but not in game even though it does exist
grizzled sleet
So the ones in the beta now are these ? :
Havenswood - Abandonned Gilnean castle and village.
Un'Gol Ruins - Tropical island with ogre ruins in it.
Molten Cay (volcano island)
The Rotting Mire
The Dread Chain [5] - "Frozen landscapes near Northrend"[6]
"A war between elementals"[6] (possibly referring to Molten Cay)
And datamined one :
Skittering Hollow (spider island)
Snowblossom Village (pandaren farm)
Jorundall
Verdant Wilds
Whispering Reef
There is 3 others seen on blizzcon panel : Krill Island
Oyster Reef
Scarlet Isle
dense plover
holy shit
havenswood isnt in the files
the fuck?
like it isnt there at all
weird
they mustve pulled it since islands dont work like that anymore
grizzled sleet
I found these informations here : https://wow.gamepedia.com/Island_expedition
Seems like there is no up to date info anywhere about them
dense plover
gimme a sec
grizzled sleet
sure
dense plover
Un'gol Ruins
- Molten Cay
- Verdant Wilds
- Dread Chain
- Whispering Reef
- Skittering Hollow
- Rotting Mire
7 in rotation
3 per week
havenswood isnt one of them
grizzled sleet
Ok ๐
dense plover
ok
so it is in the files
it isnt used
and there isnt a minimap for it
which is weird
maybe coming later?
thats the island
never made into a minimap so it wasnt fully implemented
maybe patch content, maybe abadoned
i just tweeted at muffinus
grizzled sleet
Oki ๐
rich apex
Gotta give the Scarlets credit
We've wiped them out like 6 times and they're still kicking
terse patrol
I just wish theyโd get redeemed or die already.
rich apex
Despite having their archenemy killed off long ago
Eh, it's not like they're -plot- relevant anymore
grizzled sleet
Just like team rocket
grizzled sleet
as there is nothing like suramar or tanaan in BFA yet for future content, do you think they will pop something out of nowhere in future patchs ? just like they did with argus?
rich apex
Who knows what they're gonna do for patch content fam
grizzled sleet
I just wish we don't get something underwater
terse patrol
From a person I know on their art team, they said weโre getting more content this expac than any other.
So
Iโm not worried.
But ofc, Blizzard could cancel content. But they seemed doubtful thatโd happen.
meager warren
underwater zones are coot tho
grizzled sleet
If they bring something from underwater to the surface like nazjatar it may be better than going underwater
terse patrol
Lot of people dont get that Blizzard hired a ton of people during Warlords, which is partially why that expac had such little content.
uncut vault
"this city that we have lived in for 10k years and are able to breathe in, lets raise it so they can walk in it!"
grizzled sleet
Maybe when Nzoth awaken he bring things to the surface
terse patrol
Legion was them coming into their own.
BFA I think will be when they really start to shine
So weโll see.
meager warren
why would nzoth bring stuff to the surface?
half iris
"From a person I know on their art team..." is that the new "My brother's girlfriend's landlord knows a guy..."
terse patrol
Iโm not proving shit to you, take it or leave it. 
half iris
Leaving it. That's how bad rumors get started.
meager warren
^
rich apex
It's not a gaming discussion without bad rumors
meager warren
this reminds me of that guy who said they were getting paid to advertise something when they never made a video like it
rich apex
muffled Fallout in the background
terse patrol
meh. Most of you in here have known me for a year or so. So Iโm fairly sure you know Iโm not โthat guy.โ
grizzled sleet
iirc nazjatar map has been datamined long ago no?
grizzled sleet
Oh ok xD
meager warren
i don't know anyone in here well enough to say i trust someone in here that well, especially if they make a claim like that which they don't prove
terse patrol
rich apex
I mean
It's highly unlikely BFA will be less than equivalent to Legion's content
At the least
WoD was just the Perfect Shitstorm
terse patrol
WoD was the culmination of a few things.
Little known fact: Activision transferred a bunch of people on Blizzardโs art team at the time to help with the Warcraft movie.
Just like how theyโve put a chunk of Blizzardโs cinematic team to work helping make the Call of Duty Black Ops 4 promotional content. shudder
uncut vault
RIP new holy light anim :((
half iris
Is there a source, besides your acquaintance?
uncut vault
got removed
tranquil steeple
can we just pretend BO4 is No Man's Sky
I'm actually happy with the removal of the Holy Light anim
terse patrol
Nope. So take my words with a grain of salt. But know that Activision does have authority over assets at Blizzard, they just canโt dictate direction.
tranquil steeple
It looked weird to pull out a book randomly for ONE healing spell
tranquil steeple
Like the current artifact wep, just without the weapon
terse patrol
WoD did so poorly due to an untrained team, issues with Activision authorizing budgets, and staff being juggled between non-WoW projects.
A perfect storm of bullshit that was mostly out of Blizzardโs hands.
Hence why they seem to be trying so hard to salvage warlords via bringing back Draenor into the story.
grizzled sleet
Some people will never forget WoD failure even if BFA is better than legion, there is nothing you can do about them
uncut vault
seems more to me like theyre trying to close out Draenor by giving it an interesting ending
terse patrol
Yes.
grizzled sleet
too bad the part regarding old gods on draenor wasn't exploited
tropic trail
Do Allied Races have icons?
Also is the DI Dwarf and Mag'har Orc character backgrounds shown yet?
grizzled sleet
Yes for both
grizzled sleet
Sure 1 sec
Here for DI D : https://youtu.be/VzM_EQSEkts?t=2m50s
Here for Mag'har Orc : https://youtu.be/VzM_EQSEkts
Icons here : https://youtu.be/VzM_EQSEkts?t=17s
tropic trail
Not a big fan of the Dark Iron Dwarf ones
Thanks though
I was hoping for maybe some of the new content in the background instead of vanilla content
but better than nothing I guess
grizzled sleet
They will get a reworked BRD, I hope they don't cut it in a smaller map
uncut vault
tropic trail
Is that speculation or is it actually true?
tropic trail
You've just made someone's day.
grizzled sleet
๐
grizzled sleet
weren't the arakkoa worshiping old gods before?
sharp bluff
I think they were WoD versions of Loa
hollow dock
the ones in Outland were trying to summon an old god yes
but Seth is not an old god.
grizzled sleet
I remember people speculating about old gods
Something like this :
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/12977747833
https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/13123315185
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/10670716992
but yes it's certainly because of the summoned old god on outland
hollow dock
Yea! sounds about right. Was a lot of talk about it back thena nd it was confirmed they were trying to summon an old god to Draenor but ended up failing.
Now the gods on Draenor are more or less their Wild Gods. Anzu represents Void, Seth for flesh, and Ruhkmar is Light.
raw horizon
Can anyone give me some advice for council o' captains in freehold? They are absolutely wrecking us, no chance we can beat this, must be missing something?
meager warren
or maybe you just suck
molten gyro
@meager warren be nice
molten gyro
seriously no need for that crap
hollow dock
u suck yel
tropic trail
is this server getting worst/weirder
meager warren
both
tropic trail
or have I been here long enough to see it for what it truly is
meager warren
depends on how long you've been here
meager warren
newb.
you haven't seen much in the way of what stupidity is on here then
frozen palm
why do people feel the need to be jerks on here
meager warren
why do people feel the need to not take a joke
meager warren
right?
frozen palm
i mean, the message above is the first message ive ever seen from you
so sorry if that was the wrong impression?
i guess
molten gyro
It's not the first time for him....
molten gyro
and I don't sit back and say nothing when someone is being a bully. sorry not sorry
meager warren
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
molten gyro
"maybe you just suck" ...??? completely not called for.
Help or just ...don't say ....anything...try that?
tropic trail
no need to be rude
meager warren
if you think that's offensive, you're very lucky
frozen palm
the point is, its not wanted.
meager warren
and i'm rude.
got a problem with that, you can talk to staff about getting me banned
molten gyro
sigh....ok
tropic trail
I think what they're trying to say is that this server is different from the others and doesn't really do well with that type of humor.
molten gyro
they were genuinely looking for help and you saying that was unnecessary.
meager warren
almost every server i'm on doesn't like dark or sassy humor and when staff requests me to shut up, i comply
meager warren
did i not just say i'm rude?
as in, i accept and know myself more than you ever could
anyway, the 400 mount reward is disappointing
hollow dock
we need the bully hunters to clear out this place
tropic trail
Anyone know where the Demon Hunter's character creation background takes place?
grizzled sleet
Mardum
hollow dock
It takes place on the planet Mardun. You're also told that.
tropic trail
Cool, thanks.
I just made my first demon hunter and it reminded me of Shadowmoon Valley back in BC
I can't wait to see
grizzled sleet
It's always related to the starter zone for each race
hollow dock
Well go ahead and make sure you turn up that audio
most if not all the dialogue is voiced
tropic trail
Humans background is stormwind