Im not asking for it to be the dark iron dwarf hub
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tropic trail
which would be cool
just some little fortress or something
for the war
I'd rather something done with that piece of land than nothing
been sitting like that forever
uncut vault
if anything will be there itll be a human/elf base for the upcoming QT conflict
uncut vault
we've been getting a ton of dwarf lore tho
a dwarf is our main neutral dude
moiras been involved since MoP, is now an official leader
uncut vault
quested with dark irons all through WoD
uncut vault
well a dark iron base wont hep that lol
tropic trail
True
Do you think it'd be a bad idea to add Wildhammer tattoos to normal Dwarves?
To "please" all the people who want wildhammer dwarves
uncut vault
No, theyll probably do that instead of an allied race because its easier
tropic trail
Yeah but normal dwarves start off as bronzebeard dwarves
which goes against lore or something
uncut vault
my bets are theyll do a customization run for all the existing base races
give them things to spice their customization up
tropic trail
Well they've already started
with the golden eyed blood elves
and I guess the straight backed orcs
I hope forsaken get straight backs
not because hunch is ugly or anything
terse patrol
Lets be real
tropic trail
but weapons float off undead's backs
terse patrol
Theres not enough to Wildhammers imo to make them their own race
tropic trail
and it's annoying
dense plover
they specifically said that wildhammer dwarves on not on the list for right now
they dont want to do too many dwarves
jade basalt
Nah, he also has a readable plaque in the House of the Lost Loa.
tropic trail
Instead of Wildhammer Dwarves
Why not Vrykul?
They both have similar... cultures?
and those sweet viking tats
hollow dock
they are notin any way similar
hollow dock
Wildhammer's are nature loving dwarves with a need to fill the skies with Gryphons.
Vrykul's fight each other to the death for sport and glory.
tropic trail
both are very connected to the titans actually
compared to humans
who I guess are more in touch with the light?
hollow dock
Titans aren't that in touch with the light. Tyr was. For reasons still not entirely clear.
then again he was just a keeper
tulip sun
Vrykul also have a major difference:no druids as fsr as i know. That is one of the huge draws of wildgammer i think
tropic trail
Arent vrykul just the keeper's constructs?
dense plover
vrykul fell to the curse of flesh
hollow dock
the Stormforged are the titan constructs
tropic trail
Actually there are still iron vrykul
tropic trail
which arent effected
hollow dock
Yea they're stormforged.
dense plover
where there are keepers
dense plover
those would never be a player race
tropic trail
Could
dense plover
theyre titanforged
hollow dock
since theyre titan constructs
dense plover
they are not free willed
tropic trail
People are placing bets on mechagnomes
dense plover
they are not sentient
yeah mechagnomes broke free of titan will
its literally part of the ulduar story
tropic trail
Dont remember that part
jade basalt
Keepers are free willed.
I don't think titan watchers will be an allied race though, yeah.
jade basalt
They don't care about some random factions' conflicts. Their job is to care for the planet and /or titan facilities.
dense plover
iron vrykul are literally stormforged
and fforced to do whatever odyn wants
they have no free will
tropic trail
yeah lol
distant folio
no
dense plover
lore wise im pretty sure the ones that are freed later are still under control of someone at ulduar
distant folio
Loken's gone. His forces rejoined the keepers.
distant folio
that is not true
dense plover
they were literally created to do the keeprr's will
dense plover
chronicles
distant folio
Nope
hollow dock
I think the point is that they're still robots and robots are programmed into situations and dont really have free will as they lack autonomy since that was the whole point of the Curse of Flesh in the first place
to give them sentience
distant folio
Stormforged are not robots. They are vrykul who died in battle and were gifted with powerful bodies.
tropic trail
^
distant folio
You're confusing them with titan watchers maybe
hollow dock
Aren't we talking about ulduar?
tropic trail
Both kind of
hollow dock
My words ring true for the Ulduar ones.
distant folio
Valarjar are from Stormheim. But same for the iron vrykul I guess.
tropic trail
Are the stormheim vrykul smaller than northrend vrykul?
dense plover
the stormforged are locked in the halls of valor though
distant folio
Nothing stating so
dense plover
they cant leave
distant folio
By Helya.
hollow dock
Valajar aren't
distant folio
Nothing to do with free wil
hollow dock
not with Helya's death
distant folio
And yeah they're no longer locked now that she's dead
dense plover
unless odyn tells them too, they dont leave
hollow dock
that's fair
distant folio
I mean why would they and how does that mean that they are mind controlled?
dense plover
they arent mind controlled
tropic trail
I think the stormforged are free willed but odyn's valkyr arent
since he had to force the valkyr
to serve him
but even then helya somehow betrayed him
wait loken freed her
forgot
distant folio
They have free will, there is nothing in the entire lore saying that the Valarjar do not possess free will. All we know is that they serve Odyn, that's all we know.
uncut vault
I think you guys are confusing free will with autonomy. Titanforged have free will, they dont have autonomy, they follow orders and were built to serve
distant folio
We're talking about Valarjar here
uncut vault
We've been talking about ulduar this whole time lol
tropic trail
Port
distant folio
nope
tropic trail
we're switching back and forth
because that one guy who always argues and this guy are talking about how pure vrykul are free willed
or something
Anyways Im just going to say that I dont think the stormforged are bound to odyn
because of his promise to them
but definitely the valkyr, they made that very clear
jade basalt
Regarding the titan-forged, it depends. You have some watchers who are kind of like just computers (example : Maiden of Vitality), those would be the "no autonomy" type I guess. And you have more with a personality, free will, whatever term you want to use (examples : the keepers, hell one of them had a wife, or Sif, who "cheated" on her husband, etc.)
So, have to make a distinction between these two types.
tropic trail
aren't stormforged just normal vrykul who were ascended?
jade basalt
Correct.
tropic trail
To fight again for Odyn in the protection of Azeroth.
I guess it really doesn't mention them being or not being free willed.
So we will truly never know.
jade basalt
Stormforged are just vrykul who were given a powerful "Stormforged" body.
There's also non-Stormforged Valarjar.
It was never stated that any of them did not have free will.
rich apex
That's only because Blizz couldn't get around to a female Stormforged model 😛
jade basalt
Not sure where that idea comes from.
tropic trail
Well this is a tough one but I'm going to place my bets on Stormforged being not free willed.
Because Helya's minions are the same thing as stormforged
just serving her
and they're bound to her right?
rich apex
Pretty much
uncut vault
I found the guys that made kul tirans look like how they are
rich apex
And then Odyn enslaves them all
jade basalt
Helya's minions are explicitly enslaved and corrupted.
rich apex
jade basalt
The Valarjar are neither.
uncut vault
Group called the Outriggers, mostly kul tirans, with gnomish allies, go out to sea to hunt kraken
distant folio
how they are what?
tropic trail
Kul tirans are like a mashup of Ironborn
Uh
The river folk
From Lord of the Rings
and just stereotypical pirates
and gilneans
uncut vault
theyre not pirates, really
society exiles pirates
most of the pirates are other races
distant folio
some of them are pirates
tropic trail
Well of course they're not REAL pirates they're stereotypical pirates
dense plover
most are seamen, monster hunters, sausage makers, and various other jobs
tropic trail
JohnWickerBeast
If thats too long
bummer
I hope I see these things ALL over Zandalar
Oh and these should be the hunter pets for Zandalari Trolls too
Sure, they're not "dinosaurs"
But they fit the Aztec theme
dense plover
they arent
theyres a small zone
they arent native
theyre an invasive species
theres a quest to kill them
dense plover
hunter pets would probably be saurolisks
uncut vault
would make a nice mechanical
dense plover
or pterrordax
tropic trail
Bummer
uncut vault
tameable dungeon boss like fenris
tropic trail
How come not
dense plover
ive played through
they dont fit in
its not fully aztec
its more like mayan or incan
tropic trail
The Zandalari pride theirselves on taming the Lizards of azertoth
pretty sure its a lizard
dense plover
yeah
except those things
theyre representations of hakkar
hakkar is evil
the zandalari hate him
theres lots of actual dinosaurs around zandalar
tropic trail
Bummer
dense plover
and they feel appropriate
theres lots of new types
little ones
big ones
undead ones
feathery ones
flying ones
tropic trail
Well I hope if Undead ever get an actual good allied race, they should have bat pets that crawl instead of fly
dense plover
what why?
undead bats fly
and the weird tick thing already is like a crawling bat that can also fly
tropic trail
Looks cool, and I imagine it's hard to fly with holes in your wings
dense plover
it wouldnt thouhg
it would just be the walking animation for bats
which looks lame
tropic trail
To you
dense plover
to everyone
try one of the bat mounts
when they walk they look weird
bats arent meant to walk
literally in real life, only one species of bat is meant to walk
all others fly
tropic trail
People aren't meant to be raised from the dead
in wow and in real life
most other factions think lowly of the forsaken
even the horde
dense plover
look, all im going to say is that at this point, the zones are pretty much finalized
you wont see any major changes to them
so dont expect changes for things you want to happen
because its pretty much done
tropic trail
Im talking bout the bat pets for the future undead allied race
which might happen
im done with the
hakkar servants
or whatever they're named
dense plover
wind serpents
hollow orchid
Has anyone been able to complete the 'Get your bearings' quest?
dense plover
where is that quest and what is it about?
dense plover
holy shit
MM hunter feedback changes
"Lone Wolf's damage at 10% may not be the final number. I changed it from 18% to 10% a while back so it being at 18% and such a big DPS swing between pet and no pet would stop dominating the conversation about Lone Wolf. Tuning will happen.
Aimed Shot's charge recovery time will be reduced by haste in a future build.
Rapid Fire's visual effects are not final.
Rapid Fire will bounce to 1 additional target when Trick Shots is active in a future build.
Sniper Training (Mastery) will be changed to affect all of your shots instead of only Focus spending shots in a future build so things like Rapid Fire are not left behind as gear progresses.
RNG - there's a lot of talents with randomness in them. We hear the feedback that you feel things are too random. Some things will probably change to be less random in general, others will have some adjustments made to how they proc to prevent the really bad luck streaks from being a thing.
"
things are still in the works
but this should make things better hopefully
dense plover
and survival is in a pretty good place from what i know in BfA
same with beast master
uncut vault
theyre pretty bad, just copy pasted the marked shot arrow
survival is amazing, BM is basically the same as Legion
which is also good
uncut vault
yeah it was implemented a few builds ago
dense plover
i guess that makes it pretty similar to legion
which as you said is fine
i still want blackout combo baseline for brewmaster which probably wont happen
its pretty much the only choice at its level because its so good
unless you are fighting against a boss with magic damage
tropic trail
I hope Stormwind and Orgrimmar get updated to match the style of the new Embassies
tropic trail
I don't see why not.
dense plover
first of all, people wouldnt like that
tropic trail
Why not?
tropic trail
Are they?
dense plover
because the cities are stuffed with nostalgia
tropic trail
Well then match the Garrisons
tropic trail
Well I'm not asking for them to remake the whole city from scratch. Just update the stuff that needs to be.
tropic trail
Yeah but sometimes Blizzard updates stuff like this without much complaints.
Don't count Cata
and to be fair everyone complains about everything
jade basalt
I don't think nostalgia is much of an issue (they already redid capital cities before), but yeah in their list of priorities it's probably down there. Especially when the expansion already gives you two new capitals on the new continents, where you're gonna spend your time.
dense plover
it isnt ugly
dense plover
no it isnt
tropic trail
Keep getting lost
tropic trail
I have
dense plover
3 sections
tropic trail
Still get lost
dense plover
and a basement
tropic trail
I mean the elevators
dense plover
if you gget lost, you havent learned the layout
tropic trail
lifts
dense plover
flight
lone fern
lol, i paused from 09 to 16 and got to know OGs layout within a month
and i was alliance before
dense plover
its pretty easy once you figure it out
especially since you really only use a few locales
tropic trail
Without flying I mean
dense plover
flight stuff is on top
drag has an exit near the lift
sylvanas is near that too
you can access the most important parts of ogrimmar using only the front part
tropic trail
Well some people see a lot of potential and positivity in stuff like this.
tropic trail
Truthfully it's not too much work.
dense plover
jeez
yes it is
it fucking is
history has shown us it is
history has a tendency to repeat itself
i get it
you dont understand the disaster that was cataclysm
tropic trail
Any negative feedback about the new Stromgarde and Lordaeron?
tropic trail
It has a lot of changes.
dense plover
stromgarde is directly relevant to warfronts and only changes at 110+
same with lorddaeron
and no it doesnt
it only changes the middle section
most of lordaeron is untouched
tropic trail
And the walls
dense plover
destroying walls isnt hard
tropic trail
Jesus
lone fern
why is this guy mrpeach so negative and why is ryswell talking about things when hes not in beta
i dont get this discussion, at all
dense plover
im negative aboout redoing stuff because it hasnt worked in the past
its caused so many issues
and we are already getting two new huge capitals
tropic trail
I think updating Stormwind and Orgrimmar will mostly receive positive feedback.
dense plover
and i dont know why ryswell keeps talking about changes in beta without having beta and knowing the lengths of the changes
its not about positive feedback ryswell
lone fern
what for, updating og/sw?
tropic trail
Yeah but not redoing it
lone fern
i havent been there for ages if not for auction house
dense plover
its about the amount of time it would take to do that, and the reward for doing that is minimal
tropic trail
Accomplishes a lot
dense plover
no one is going to be there
lone fern
^
dense plover
its a waste of time and resources that could be spent on content we will actually use
tropic trail
Why even bother updating unused creature models then
dense plover
they arent unused
tropic trail
Hardly used
lone fern
because they are reused believe it or not but island expeditions has everything
dense plover
none of the updated models are unused
lone fern
crocolisk, spirits, gnolls, murlocs
dense plover
all of the updated ones appear in BfA
tropic trail
No, legion
lone fern
expeditions are literally a "lets show off everythin we got"
dense plover
you mean the few that were used?
because they had been working on BfA and those models were done
tropic trail
Also a lot of people still visit Stormwind and Orgrimmar
dense plover
so they decided to add them
they visit
but they dont do anything important there
theres no story there
its a waste of resources
theres two huge new cities that still arent done
the expac comes in a few months
lone fern
visiting stormwind/og is not staying in sw/og
dense plover
^
lone fern
i visit og for auction house
tropic trail
People still stay there
dense plover
you dont keep coming back at 120
especially when there are Auction houses in the new capitals
tropic trail
In fact Stormwind has places Dalaran doesn't
lone fern
i dont stay there, i literally go there for the ah and go back instantly because theres no content there and theres no content supposed to be there
dense plover
yeah dalaran
lone fern
thats the point of a former capital, having places that arent in a "mobile home" such as dala
dense plover
not boralus or ataldazar though
lone fern
also better for performance
tropic trail
Anyways Stormwind and Orgrimmar still has quests in it, even to this day.
dense plover
those new capitals have everything
uncut vault
Are there AHs in boralus? I couldnt find one
tropic trail
New quests at that
lone fern
which? i havent played live properly since 1.5 yrs but the only new quests i know of are allied races
lone fern
which can hardly be described as new quests because most of their content is outside of the capital
uncut vault
well then yeah, Boralus and Ataldazar have literally everything needed
dense plover
its nothing like what quests exist in the new capitals
tropic trail
True but same is with dalaran
dense plover
no
no it isnt
again
please stop speaking like youve played beta when you havent
the new capitals are nothing like dalaran
tropic trail
LEGION DALARAN
lone fern
dalas only purpose is to have "almost everything but not everything so ppl still have to shard back to old capitals"
tropic trail
ok im not talking about that
dense plover
legion dalaran was updated because it was the center for literally hundreds of quests in legion
lone fern
whatever you may call it, that has been resolved
tropic trail
if they reuse old dalaran what prevents them from reusing old Stormwind and Orgrimmar in future xpacs?
Which would give them a reason to update it, yes?
dense plover
old dalaran still exists though
tropic trail
Yes...
dense plover
dalaran in northrend wasnt updated
lone fern
nothing, obviously, but chances are likely we dont get another old world revamp
tropic trail
I dont want a bloody whole old world revamp, I would just like some textures be updated in stormwind.
lone fern
because in grand scope blizz doesnt repeat itself within one franchise that is
dense plover
and it needed an update because it was two years older than ogrimmar or stormwind visually, and it was a main part of new content
you cant just update textures
lone fern
werent we talking a revamp of a city? not only textures?
tropic trail
No
dense plover
dalaran had updated models
lone fern
textures are another thing, but that wont change much
tropic trail
I said I didnt want stormwind to be remade
I just want it to look a little more updated
lone fern
quite sure they are doing permant texture updates throughout an expansion because they dont want to carry around too much graphical debt
tropic trail
with BFA content
lone fern
plus, youd need to redo the polygon skeletons of e.g. towers
lone fern
without that, a new model still doesnt look sharp, no matter how detailed it is
dense plover
^
tropic trail
Fine if y'all want everything to be old as shit enjoy it
dense plover
it isnt old as shit
lone fern
and at this point im actually joining you ryswell
dense plover
its 10 years old
dense plover
it doesnt feel like thunder lizards did
do you know where the thunder lizard model was from?
WCIII
tropic trail
Well that's why they roll out minor updates every now and then
dense plover
from around 2001
tropic trail
so it doesnt really cost much
dense plover
it neeeded an update very badly
it just got one in BfA because they are story relevant
tropic trail
thunder lizard models look almost the same
dense plover
holy shit
lone fern
and when im on top of some mountain wit ha forgotten chest in stormsong valley and i can see the whole zone
and compare that to visuals of highest mountain of westfall
dense plover
tropic trail
I know
dense plover
tropic trail
I know
lone fern
surely, new layouts are better, but the difference is imo something id rather say of nostalgic factor than considered "needs upgrading"
dense plover
one is almost 18 years old
lone fern
but that depends on what you see in this game
dense plover
one is about 5 months old
tropic trail
It looks better but they look fine in the first picture
eventually would need changing
but it's fine
I can see why it was updated
lone fern
did you play wc2 / 3 and classic?
dense plover
and personally, i think the cities would benefit from a visual update, but i would rather they finish the zones theyre working on now
tropic trail
classic, yeah
lone fern
then youre probably on the same boat as me
dense plover
if they finish the zones art wise, sure have the art team work on new stuff for old content
but they better have nothing else to work on
lone fern
seeing former content not as it is but more of an abstract
lone fern
prob 2020
dense plover
^
lone fern
announcement blizzcon 2019
whilst bfa content draught basically
at least makes most sense business wise
lone fern
who launches an expansion plus classic simultanously though
tropic trail
I think updating SW and Orgrimmar would benefit the game rather than alienate it. Sure losing stuff you loved back then sucks but everything changes eventually.
tropic trail
But it doesnt have to happen anytime soon
lone fern
i can actually see them doing that with the launch of classic
tropic trail
Why did the release classic wow
Im assuming it was because of the private servers stealing business, yes?
lone fern
can be considered clever business wise:
- alienate players from live servers that think the new layout is "too new" to get them to play classic
- more distinction between live and classic, although sw is a bad example due to cata
tropic trail
Yeah
lone fern
1st point because thats most likely the loud minority like you for example, no offense, but most players still tend to be quiet and accept things
so the part that cries out about something being tooo newww ewww is the minority willing to swap back to old habits
which is ironic because i swapped to horde because i loved old stormwind, but never really knew old og, barely memories
dense plover
old OG was not fun
lone fern
then i came back in 2016 and stormwind was cata stormwind obviously which annoyed me big times
dense plover
it was an atrocious mess
i started in late wrath
and org back then was so gross
everyone just stayed in thunderbluff
which was fine
i still like thunderbluff
its always been pretty great
lone fern
im actually glad undercity is gone because it was so horrible to navigate for me :-D
on the other side i really liked darnassus
tropic trail
Honestly I have no hate towards World of Warcraft content and I am very happy with the new content being released. Most of what I talk about in this channel is stuff I would like to see added.
Though I do have some. uhh
things I dislike
Like lightforged draenei being slightly lighter draenei
That's really disappointing
But I really like the progress WoW is making
with the Battle for Lordaeron
and the Burning of Teldrassil
Warfrants
Oh and I really like World Quests
definitely better over dailies
Most of all I like the scenery
dense plover
i mean
allied races so far have just been slightly different races we already have
its sort of what it was advertised as
tropic trail
Besides Nightborne, Kul Tiran Humans, and Zandalari Trolls
dense plover
so dont expect full races as allied races
nightborne are reskinned nightelves
its almost the exact same model
tropic trail
Dont female nightborne have new animations?
dense plover
no
tropic trail
Oh
dense plover
zandalari trolls use night elf animations
mostly
they use some troll animations
they have a few unique ones
kul ttirans are the only one that could be considered a full rrace
new skeleton, new animations, new almost everything
tropic trail
To be fair Zandalari are straight back
which normal trolls cant be
and the druid forms
and the new totems
and they have the spots on their skin
Im fine with allied races just being more customization options, truly.
dense plover
oh they definitely have a lot of work
tropic trail
What disappoints me though is that Lightforged Draenei have hardly any difference.
dense plover
but they do not have unique animations
lightforged have as many differences as the other 3 early access allied races
tropic trail
You're right
Their skin tone is nearly identical
They have golden eyes and golden thing over their head
the armor and tattoos
and thats it
tropic trail
I said armor
dense plover
but yeah
dense plover
its pretty much the amount of differences the other ones have
tropic trail
Well
It's their mount and armor too
It just looks like the argus armor
While the other allied mounts have a lot of work put into them
dense plover
the armor is unique
but the mount is fair
although tbh, the nightborne mount is sad too
tropic trail
yeah but the mount armor hardly matches their armor which the others have
tropic trail
Which is kind of the point honestly
dense plover
but they arent the main allied races
the detail in the other four is apparent
these were suppsed to be the main focus
the maghar and zandalari for horde
and the kul tiran and dark iron for alliance
those are clearly the ones who have the most work behind them
tropic trail
Absolutely
Sure Nightborne are just slightly different Night Elves
but there's something to them
that makes them stand out from the others
lone fern
my favorite expansion yet
tropic trail
which doesn't really stand out with lightforged
I guess it's an acquired taste
Same with Highmountain
dapper cosmos
Right, cause having glorious facial hair that doesn'y require face tentacles doesn't stand out, or have a glowing ruin floating on your head.
tropic trail
True
Sadly that's the same with HM Tauren
Highmountain Tauren are just better Tauren
I guess normal Draenei are a little different though
It's just that I feel Tauren really needed Highmountain Tauren, because HM Tauren are everything normal tauren aren't.
and normal draenei are completely fine and lightforged only has a few things that normal draenei don't
That could be said about any allied race though
except maybe Kul Tiran Humans
and Dark Iron Dwarves
and maybe Mag'Har orcs?
hollow dock
HM Tauren are normal tauren
that have moose horns
theyre lesser than normal tauren for all intents and purposes
tropic trail
Highmountain the zone is what normal tauren should've been
and the normal starting zone
Also the war paint though
hollow dock
that doesn't make HM tauren everything the tauren should be
it just means their zone is much better
thanks to insight of Mulgore and what can be improved
tropic trail
How are they lesser then?
besides the lack of customization
Personally I just feel that they fit the Native American theme more
which normal tauren don't really do
even though that's their intended type of culture or lore
dense plover
woah
fury feedback
i still think they need another rage spender since it feels like rage is only used for rampage
but i think the new talent they mentioned will help
uncut vault
well thats certainly a better written post than what MM got
hollow dock
theyre lesser in a sense of "They as a race have no where near as much as the normal tauren do"
tight wagon
Is azerite power an item like current ap or is it more like xp in BfA?
rich apex
It's AP
rich apex
😐
dense plover
its auto collected
tight wagon
Cool thanks
rich apex
Okay, yeah, it is that
rich apex
I mean that's what the Artifact is
dense plover
that ramps up WAY too quickly
uncut vault
the visuals are very nice
rich apex
But BFA just removes the token middleman
dense plover
it needs to ramp up slower
for artifacts though you spend the power
you dont spend it on the necklace
once you reach a level of azerite, its permanent
and again
right now it ramps up very quickly
but
on live every week it is supposed to get easier and easier
so essentially, getting to a certain point each week is a reasonable goal
before stopping a serious grind
thankfully mythic+ doesnt start until the raid does
so by then we should have our necklace around the appropriate level for mythic+ gear
or at least some of the upgrades for mythic+ gear
because right now, attaining that goal is nigh on impossible
somber lily
Hello , do you know if the requirement of reputation (exalted) for the ally races will stay when the new extension will be here please ?
uncut vault
Most likely yes, it will
so far Maghar and Dark Iron require exalted with Honorbound/7th Legion
somber lily
that mean new players must farm a legion faction exalted for play a new race ??:(
cinder knoll
its not a new race, its allied race
that means its a reward for something
it this case story and reputation
you need to help that race at first to be able to play them
maybe they will lower reputation requirements later, but I dont think they should remove them completely
revered would be ok imo
terse patrol
Also.
Dark Irons and Mag’har will be easy.
Because you apparently reach Revered pretty easy just by completing the war campaign for each side.
sullen dagger
i agree with peach, fury warriors need some more ways to consume fury
somber lily
yes ok for story , lore , quest , but exalted faction are boring and long , i hope they reduce them at friendly or revered too
cinder knoll
friendly is like it wouldnt be there at all, revered makes you make some additional stuff to story, some WQs etc, that would be enough imo, exalted from old content, not sure if its needed
on the other hand, same applies to WOD flying and its still there
must be annoying trying to get that now
somber lily
wod don't allow you to play new race:)
cinder knoll
its not the same, but similar
sharp bluff
WoD has those fun tokens, I used those, cost all my gold, but definitely no fun
cinder knoll
also, if they dont allow easier flying, why would they race? race is even bigger reward worth more time than flying in old continent
yet flying wasnt reduced
not sure if race will
sharp bluff
They may keep the requirement to keep old stuff relevant 🤷
cinder knoll
exactly
somber lily
i can't imagine new players must farm an old faction in an old extension for some new race in game
cinder knoll
thats the point, having race as reward makes it not really old expansion
having actual rewards makes content relevant
sharp bluff
Uh, that rep for the pirate hat
Bloodsail?
They keep a lot of old stuff hard to get to get people to try it again, like MaXi said
Stinking argent mounts these days are rough but rewarding
cinder knoll
also, you dont need that, those races arent better than normal races, so nothing forces you to do that, but if you want a reward, you must work for it
cinder knoll
thats not true
all the content still provides rewards, only content rewarding gear gets old... but toys, mounts, transmogs, all are still relevant and all still require quite a lot of work sometimes
maybe the problem is that you just care about the race more, so you are ignoring the rest
but thats personal
somber lily
yes i don"t care of the rest 😁
meager warren
well Warcraft is a MMORPG so it's kinda unsettling that you don't care about the rest
real scarab
A lot of new players will go back to farm old content for stuff, it's a very common thing.
hollow dock
that's kinda hte point of the old content existing
sullen dagger
i think draeonr now being 2 xpacs old, should free the flight or at least ease the requeriments
like alot
grind that reps it's a major pain
meager warren
I hope they eventually make WQs for every rep in the game
ionic terrace
Shutdown inc 
molten gyro
vale idol
@hollow dock you sure? you need order of the awakened for draenor flying, which is 1.5k rep daily
sour burrow
hollow dock
or theres more complex things theyre inputting
dense plover
^
they made a lot of changes to minimaps last build - they increased the render resolution
but it broke some stuff
sour burrow
I'd say more complex, because sooooo much stuff broke from last build. Maybe they'll actually manage to get it all fixed up.
dense plover
build is going out
sour burrow
"Longer than normal" uh huh, sure.
They seem to be a week behind on their remarks. :P
1.44 GB
tulip sun
:(
ruby star
hollow dock
Blizzard knows what theyre doing tossing tentacles with a woman
sour burrow
Nope, no voiceovers, can confirm. Also no model updates to the things I check.
A big fat empty build-of-nothing.
sharp bluff
Broken Highland Mustang
One of the Arathi horses, taken and broken by the Horde conquerors of Stromgarde.
Drop: Knight-Captain Aldrin
Zone: Arathi Highlands
A horde... horse?
sour burrow
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/740141.jpg Sethraliss, the only female sethrak so far :P (Very female though, look at that.)
dense plover
i mean
its what she looks like ingame
also notice how she is still flat-chested but she has plate?
so clearly they are meant to be physically agender for the most part
frigid meteor
hmm she has that look of " let me speak with the manager"
sharp bluff
love the use of crystals with the gold
reminds me of crash bandicoot totems
she is a horned viper also?
just noticed her horns
sour burrow
"For the most part" yes, though as in-game, the proportions for the chest are higher set, even if still 'flat' lol. Also, thinner waist and arms, as well as the spikes possibly being part of her being female. And yes, actual horns.
Indicating a range of the customization possible for Sethrak overall.
sharp bluff
interesting, so are the spikes on females? or due to the fact she is obviously infused with energy from those stones?
mutating her
sour burrow
I do approve of them making a semi-androgynous but-not-fully race. I hope they do end up putting out female sethrak models, if not by launch then later when they do more for Sethrak.
olive mirage
brewmaster buff 
dense plover
stagger was buffed from 20->25%
olive mirage
yeah, cause its baseline
dense plover
and maybe healing elixir too?
the fuck?
i am not okay with this
oh
mystic vitality is baseline now?
dense plover
oh
it was a percent of a percent
so they removed it
healing elixir isnt gone though right?
olive mirage
you think theyd make brewmaster stagger 60% magical damage 
sour burrow
NEW Kul Tiran Up The Dance Floor lol
dense plover
thats an important talent
olive mirage
i bet they just moved healing elixir into mystic vitalitys place
and gave us the legendary ring as a talent instead
hmm
they removed the auto consume effect from healing elixir
dense plover
summon felguard moved to level 12 for demo
thats fair
it was op with auto consume
dense plover
it makes it a talent that isnt just a thing you dont care about now
looks like azerite armor has some kind of set effect in uldir maybe?
"Your spells and abilities have a chance to increase your highest secondary stat by 0 for 15 sec. When this expires, up to 4 nearby allies can absorb an echo of the power.
Enables Machine Learning within Uldir."
that last line "Enables 'Machine Learning' within Uldir" is on several new effects
sour burrow
Maybe Machine Learning means that absorb an echo is only for those people?
dense plover
i think machine learning is a seperate effect
but it isnt in yet
new quest that gives some backstory to the motherlode
it is kezan
hollow dock
nice for it to be confirmed
jade basalt
Do you have the name of the quest ?
dense plover
seems like emmisaries now give 600 azerite in addition to their reward
The MOTHERLODE!!: Raw Deal
sharp bluff
I want to post an image of the Motherlode from Megamans Legends now, good job blizz lol
jade basalt
@dense plover Who gives the quest ?
dense plover
gallywix on the boat
cinder marsh
yeah the azerite reforger is working!
strange whale
Azerite armor providing certain talent unique to the raid they drop from is very interesting. I imagine it's some kind of mix between tier bonus, pantheon-trinket, all while being specific to a certain raid (so even if you found a titanforged azerite gear with a great bonus, you can still expect to change it next raid pretty early).
strange whale
good 😃
point remains, I hate the idea of having a Tier bonus so good it's better than whatever you will find next tier.
ivory monolith
have a mace
sharp bluff
YES
ivory monolith
also, it is animated and still living
sharp bluff
Finally my forsaken can wield something that smells as bad as him!!!!
ivory monolith
and has flies flying around it
sharp bluff
Just helps my previous comment even more 😆
dense plover
uncut vault
still wondering where rastakhan goes
cause by max level hes not dead, just finally getting old
uncut vault
well, as far as I can tell, this and The Pride of Kul Tiras are the final story things for 8.0
and they seem to be setting up for a zandalar raid in 8.1, where rastakhan is still king
remember guys, its totally a high elf in that art
proper pier
uncut vault
gilneas got a few pre-changes updates it seems
no longer one big map learn, gilneas city has its own map in the non-starting zone, and the greymane manor finally has its map fixed
and its called Gilneas now, not Ruins of Gilneas
sharp bluff
huh guess that is good news for furry boys
dense plover
probably good news for night elves too
sharp bluff
I wonder if that means we will get a new city for the horde?
drowsy wolf
Kezan?
dense plover
if gilneas gets revamped the horde will probably get something
its possible
i theorized early on that most of the motherlode content was cut because they wanted to go all out with kezan
and with the goblin slums being removed for the most part, and both goblins and undead needing a home, a destroyed mess of a tropical island might be a good place
dense plover
kezan story would certainly fuel the horde storyline and create content that has a different aesthetic to ensure that people dont get sick of the visuals on their continent
drowsy wolf
The mineshafts and such would work as a Horde base.
uncut vault
I very specifically hope the goblins and undead go back to undermine
dense plover
personally i wouldnt be surprised if over the course of a patch or two we work to rebuild old strongholds - kezan and gilneas - culminating in those cities eventually being redone in a style similar to suramar/boralus/zuldazar
uncut vault
not the city above, the metropolis below
dense plover
i think a mix of both might make sense
especially since apparently gallywix caused the mountain to go boom
drowsy wolf
Anyone else pray for a Warfront of Gilneas, if nothing else than to give it a revamped look?
tropic trail
astranaar on beta right now is such a bottleneck -.-
drowsy wolf
That and it would be the true battle for Gilneas
dense plover
the battle for gilneas already happened though
sharp bluff
i don't know about undermine, i thought that was going to be a raid
dense plover
with the loss of lordaeron, there is no real threat from the horde there
its a good place to reinforce since lordaeron is undefendable even if it wasnt blighted
and kezan would further improve horde control of the seas
which is where the story seems to be heading
tropic trail
Well, they got probably the most imbalanced port city with Suramar (but won't be used, same as with Vindicaar and stuff like that)
dense plover
suramar actually isnt that great of a port
with the loss of the shield, it has no real defences
and the citizens of suramar arent exactly the best shipwrights
not to mention that most of their 'port' is shallow canals
thats not good for soldiers and such
its why zuldazar harbor is so good
its deep
wide
and surrounded by mountains
theres only one way in
and you cant attack from behind easily
kezan doesnt have that advantage
but the undermine is underground
it would be a great stronghold for troops and probably for gathering loads of azerite
gilneas on the otherhand has walls that could be rebuilt and reinforced
is surrounded by mountains on two sides, water on one - shallow at that so no big war ships
and it has multiple wall layers for the actual city
reinforcing it would give the alliance a large stronghold in the north of the continent effectively halting any horde efforts to push out of the ghostlands
the way i see it, the expac is heading in a direction where horde pushes alliance to EK almost completely, but horde is pushed out of EK almost completely
while the alliance reinforces their grip there, horde builds up in other places, leaving them vulnerbale to eventual attacks
and so the horde builds up kezan to build boats and train troops in order to control the seas and stop the alliance from reaching kalimdor in the first place
at least, thats where i see the story going currently
this is all a theory ofc
sorry about the big post
it just came to mind and i wanted to get it down
sour burrow
That wasn't a big post, that was a lot of little posts with no one else interjecting, hehe.
dense plover
potato patato
tropic trail
Just don't really look like normal humans.
I guess their culture is similar but they don't really look that much the same.
At least I have HM Tauren and DI Dwarves though.
tropic trail
Kul Tiran Humans kind of cross the line though, and I guess maybe Zandalari Trolls.
hollow dock
Void elves look nothing like their blood elven former selves either
tentacle hair and all
tropic trail
Yeah but Kul Tiran Humans don't really have any similar hairstyles.
At least Void Elves have a corrupted version of normal BE hairstyles.
They also have the same model and animations.
Also Human Druids?
dense plover
theres a lot of lore behind them being druids actually
theres a whole story thing that we havent seen implemented with a drust bear guy named Ulfnar
or Ulfar or something
essentially he has taught the kul tirans about the ccycle - including death - hence the wicker forms
tropic trail
Yeah I know but humans dont really make good druids
To be fair there are human druids in lore too
dense plover
not many
but kul tirans are different
and gilneans are druids too
theyre part human
and thats actually the og source of their druidism
gilneans used to have harvest magic
basic druidism
tropic trail
What I'm trying to say is if the main race cant be the class
dense plover
the gilneans that found KT probably are parrt of that
tropic trail
the allied race doesnt make sense being one
dense plover
thats nonsense tho
they have a different culture
humans cant be druids because they werent raised to believe in nature
sure a human could go learn
but that doesnt mean enough are to make it a class gameplay wise
tropic trail
I just want an allied race that looks more like a human
sharp bluff
I can't wait till he figures out that Zandalari can be paladins, but not Darkspear XD
sullen dagger
undead
sharp bluff
which class are the alliance allied races is missing?
none
sharp bluff
well i must say, that cutscene, Voljiin is looking very bright
tropic trail
Zandalari wont be paladins
dense plover
honestly all i know about 8.1 is we have to have a story amping up tension with naga so that in 8.2 we can have the naga raid
zandalari might be paladins
there are paladins prior to rezan's death
if we can teach them about the light or resurrect rezan - paladins
sharp bluff
Zandalari WILL be paladins Ryswell, mark my words
what i put above is the reasoning, and it makes complete sense
tropic trail
didnt they prove that wrong though?
sharp bluff
The last class on each side will be given in BFA, paladin for horde, druids for alliance
dense plover
no
sullen dagger
lightforged undead
dense plover
they said why they cant be paladins currently and that we would find out more over time
then they said who knows, in the most obvious way possible
there was no reason to show paladins in the zandalari area before and after rezan if it didnt matter to the story or players in some way
sharp bluff
chances are, juding by how Voljiin is giving off light, he is the new loa of whatever gives them powers
I don't remember other Loa being so bright
but i may be wrong on him being the loa of it
but they will for sure get paladins
visual nimbus
filthy troll heretics
tulip sun
Wait what?