#beta-ptr-spoilers

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tropic trail
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In that sense there should be bulky stormwind humans too

dense plover
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just like zandalari are alt trolls

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no

tropic trail
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Yeah but Zandalari are much different

dense plover
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stormwind humans werent on an island for 2700 years hunting monsters

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they have different accents

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different culture

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new racials

tropic trail
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Sure different accents and culture

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but they're just bulky humans

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that's it

uncut vault
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and if you wanna RP as a bulky stormwindian human, you can

sour burrow
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Kul Tirans are indeed a little on the dumb side visually. But they still have their own unique set of culture and it's a sort of 'yeah sure, it counts'.

dense plover
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and?

tropic trail
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Nightborne would be the same but they have a pass

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Kul Tiran Humans not really

sour burrow
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It's not like Mag'har Orcs are all that different either.

dense plover
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nightborne are a mess

tropic trail
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Well they are uncorrupted

dense plover
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idk how you can be okay with nightborne but upset about kul tiran humans

sour burrow
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And Highmountain just have big horns, lol.

tropic trail
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Nightborne were altered by the Nightwell

dense plover
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yeah

tropic trail
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Kul Tiran Humans are... fat

dense plover
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but they are unfinished

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theyre big boned

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and a bit heavier

sour burrow
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Aren't Lightforged Draenei like, pretty much just normal Draenei but 'touched by light'?

dense plover
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its what gives you an advantage on the sea

uncut vault
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you can call them fat all you like to try and demean the uniqueness of the model, doesnt make them fat

dense plover
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yes

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^

tropic trail
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I dont think being a little heavier and big boned really passes as an allied race

dense plover
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but being yellow does?

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or purple if youre a void elf?

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or moose horns if youre a tauren?

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its the same shit

sour burrow
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I agree.

dense plover
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theyre not full races

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although kul tirans are fully unique model

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unlike all of the other allied races

tropic trail
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Mag'Har orcs are their own scenario and the other allied races are a mess

dense plover
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all allied races get acquisition scenarios

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we just dont know the kul tiran one

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because it isnt in

tropic trail
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But the other allied races didn't get the same amount of attention zandalari trolls and kul tiran humans got

dense plover
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because they arent coming with launch

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yeah

sour burrow
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Vulpera and Sethrak make an interesting pair because they are both brand new, and fit a visual style of the opposite faction while having a personality fitting the faction they'll actually go to. Vulpera-be-savage, and Sethrak-be-pious.

dense plover
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because it probably started off as just these two races

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then was expanded

uncut vault
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so are kul tirans not unique enough, or too unique?

tropic trail
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not unique

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as far as making sense

dense plover
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what?

tropic trail
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culture is unique

sour burrow
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Zandalari and Kul Tirans are likely 8.1, with Zandalari possibly being planned for earlier.

dense plover
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the fuck are you on about?

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they arent unique but theyre the most unique

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thats why theyre not unique

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  • you right now
tropic trail
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Kul Tiran Humans are not unique because they are just bulkier humans and they have nothing really special about them that makes them an allied race

dense plover
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how is that different for any other allied race?

tropic trail
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it's like making gilneans an allied race without the worgen

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Because the other races have reasons for being different

dense plover
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so do kul tirans

sour burrow
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While it IS a little like that, that's also something people want, haha. And guess what, this is about options. I do hope that Kul Tiran can roll their non-bulky versions.

tropic trail
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Kul Tiran Humans are just bulkier because... monster hunting?

dense plover
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you just dont like it

uncut vault
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2.7k years of rough sea life and a dangerous island isnt a reason?

dense plover
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because for 2700 years, being bigger meant more survival

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its the fucking definition of survival of the fittest

uncut vault
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but "our naaru was yellow" is?

sour burrow
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XD

tropic trail
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Ok besides lightforged draenei

dense plover
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literally all of them have worse reasons

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except for highmountain

uncut vault
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"cenarius only blessed the people huln liked" is?

dense plover
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ehhh

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its equivalent

tropic trail
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Dark Iron Dwarves dont have worse reasons

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and nightborne

dense plover
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theyre all pretty much equivalent

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the fact that you dont see that is your problem

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youre wrong

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factually wrong

tropic trail
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Ok how are nightborne worse?

terse patrol
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idk i think they’re going to imply some connection between the humans of Drustvar and the Drust themselves, but we’ll see.

tropic trail
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really, how?

dense plover
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they have as much reason for being different as all of the allied races

uncut vault
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nightborne have even less, bevcause every other highborne that delved into a font of power didnt change physically

terse patrol
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Actually

tropic trail
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belves?

terse patrol
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@uncut vault

sour burrow
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Dark Iron Dwarves are just a different group of Dwarves. They're still dwarves. Not even fat dwarves, just glowy tanned dwarves. Like, aside from culture, they're 'black' lol. Would you like the Kul Tirans more if they were african american skin colors? :P

terse patrol
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The Shen’dralar changed from their time under their own magic bubble.

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They became pale/white haired.

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Though it seems the Nightwell is different.

dense plover
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i mean

uncut vault
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but thats exactly the point

dense plover
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it does have the eye of amanthul in there

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so titanic magic influence for thousands of years

uncut vault
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nightborne had a specifically unique circumstance

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so do the kul tirans

dense plover
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again, equivalent to all of the reasons for all the other allied races

terse patrol
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So ye, exposure to constant magic seems to cause changes.

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Shen’dralar’s changes were less pronounced due to the amount I guess.

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Suramar’s literally saturated in magic.

tropic trail
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The only thing that makes kul tiran humans different is that they're a bit taller and bulkier because evolution favored them

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every other allied race has big changes

dense plover
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no they dont

terse patrol
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They’re not “a bit” taller tho

dense plover
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literally dark iron dwarves are just dark skinned with fire beards

terse patrol
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They’re way taller than normal humans

dense plover
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theyre still dwarves

tropic trail
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well they talk differently

uncut vault
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if you're actually saying that kul tirans are LESS visually distinct than other allied races

dense plover
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and highmountain just have moose horns

uncut vault
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theres no argument to be had

dense plover
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^

tropic trail
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No not that

dense plover
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you are 100% wrong on this point

tropic trail
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lore

dense plover
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what?

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dark iron dwarves

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same lore reasons pretty much

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time

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same with nightborne

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magic + time

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lightforged = magic

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highmountain = magic

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dont know how that is any different lore wise

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unless you dont know lore

tropic trail
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Bare with me, it's hard to explain

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Like you can see how nightborne are different

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right?

dense plover
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visually? or?

tropic trail
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both lore and visuals

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anyways

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imagine if they released a bulkier kind of fat looking blood elf race right now and just say they were blood elves who moved to some island

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or something like that

dense plover
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you mean void elves?

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purple blood elves dude

tropic trail
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they're altered by the void atleast

dense plover
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and?

tropic trail
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thats more than kul tiran humans

dense plover
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how is that different than evolution?

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void just speeds it up with magic

tropic trail
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because kul tiran humans hardly evolved

dense plover
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no

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theyre very different

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theyre much taller

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bulkier

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have a unique accent

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unique culture

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void elves are literally less distinct from blood elves than kul tirans are from humans

tropic trail
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Kul Tiran Humans and Zandalari Trolls are the biggest allied races of next expansion

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and have the most work put into them of all the allied races

dense plover
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yes

tropic trail
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you can expect at least a little lore reasoning other than evolution for them looking differently

dense plover
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lol

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whats the reason for zandalari?

tropic trail
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Plenty reasons

dense plover
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which are?

tropic trail
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Well let's see

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Since the creation of the trolls they've always been the alpha subrace

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and they have a very unique connection to dinosaurs

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compared to other trolls, yes?

dense plover
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but why do they look different?

tropic trail
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They're bigger

dense plover
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you said they had lore reasons

tropic trail
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obviously

dense plover
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no

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why

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not what

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kul tirans have a reason for being different

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what about zandalari?

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oh wait

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there isnt one

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there never has been

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and youve been complaining unironically for like 20 minutes

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with no reasoning behind what you say other than your opinion that you keep calling lore

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but isnt lore

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its your opinion

tropic trail
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If you'll be patient I'll tell ya

dense plover
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use imo

tropic trail
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I know there's reasoning

dense plover
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not lore

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there isnt

tropic trail
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Just let me think

dense plover
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there never has been

tropic trail
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Well, yes

dense plover
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theyve just always been different

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even in chronicles there isnt a reason given

sour burrow
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Let him think, peach. I wanna see if he can actually put up a good reason without being flustered, haha.

tropic trail
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You're right about Zandalari Trolls being evolved just like Kul Tiran Humans

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But Zandalari Trolls have always been evolved

dense plover
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no

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there isnt a reason

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they arent more evolved

tropic trail
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they just decided to make Kul Tiran Humans beefier when BFA came along

sour burrow
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Also protip: Shift+Enter = Linebreak. If you're trying to gather your thoughts, it can be useful to put it all in one message with some paragraph separateion.

It's generates a much cleaner discussion that way.

dense plover
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theyre different

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oh shit

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i didnt know that

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the only reason theyre different is just - because - no other reason

tropic trail
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Gotcha

dense plover
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kul tirans have a reason

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zandalari do not

tropic trail
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I guess you're right

dense plover
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you choosing to ignore that to favor your argument is more cherrypicking

tropic trail
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But

dense plover
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no buts

tropic trail
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You dont let me think

dense plover
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you cant think of a reason

tropic trail
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I can

dense plover
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we factually know we have none

tropic trail
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You just wont let me

dense plover
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you cant think of facts

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facts either are or are not

tropic trail
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Jesus

dense plover
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and there are none here

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zandalari have never been given a reason for their difference

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and people just accept they are different

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at least kul tirans have reasons for being different

tropic trail
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zandalari trolls are kind of "pure trolls"

dense plover
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and again, they are a unique model

sour burrow
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Ryswell, just stop talking and put everything in one message, lol. Otherwise you won't get anywhere.

tropic trail
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compared to the other races

dense plover
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zandalari are not

tropic trail
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You're right but you could be kind enough to let me remember, I do remember a reason it's just been a while since I was interested in trolls in ancient kalimdor.

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Anyways I'll tell you later when I can remember, it's on the tip of my tongue.

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If you're on

sour burrow
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This is the internet, not real life. To get more time to think, simply stop replying and gather your thoughts, type them out fully, then send them. XD There's no need to immediately reply like it's a real conversation. :)

tropic trail
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Don't worry, it'll eventually come to me.

dense plover
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dude, its been retconned if there was a reason. Chronicles never gives a reason, it just says there are different breeds of trolls, which means we just have to accept that and move on. And again, thats a fact, we cant come up with other reasons because there arent any others - any other thoughts on their difference would be 100% speculation, in which case the sentence should start with "i believe" or "what if"

tropic trail
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Also I'm used to this way of typing

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I get what you're at

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I'm just not convinced Kul Tiran Humans are really that differen't. They're culture isn't really that different either IMO

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Sure they have druidic magic and they fought they wickers

dense plover
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i mean

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youre wrong

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like its not an opinion about their culture

tropic trail
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But they're architecture is nearly the same

dense plover
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no it isnt

tropic trail
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and they act the same

dense plover
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no they dont

tropic trail
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normal humans casually walking around kul tiras just acting a little more like pirates

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and jaina being kul tiran, she doesn't really look that different either

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or act different

dense plover
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different breeds

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she isnt from drustvar

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she is from tiragarde

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only the ones who went to hunt monsters and eat lots of meat look like that

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theyre the ones who were on ships most of their lives

tropic trail
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Is that speculation?

dense plover
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no

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thats fact

tropic trail
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Ok

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Source?

dense plover
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1 sec

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getting link

tropic trail
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Instead of saying that earlier

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you choose to say that now

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Also didn't the Kul Tirans come from Gilneas?

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And yet they're nothing like the gilneans

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unless that's the tirigarde humans

uncut vault
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thats WHY they look different, because their life on the island is different

dense plover
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i did say it earlier

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i said it several times earlier

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you dont read what i write

tropic trail
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I did

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I read the part where they evolved

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I just didnt see the part that all the bulkier kul tiran humans originated from drustvar

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brandensbrook people fled from gilneas and sure, they weren't gone for long

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but they're nearly identical

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while kul tiran humans are almost completely different

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normal and bulkier

dapper cosmos
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Because they left a long time ago.

tropic trail
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sure, they weren't gone for long but in the amount of time they were gone you'd expect some things to change

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but they're nearly identical

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since the scourge invasion

dense plover
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bradensbrook people fled during the cataclysm

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thats 4 years

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not 2700

tropic trail
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No?

dense plover
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yes

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the humans of bradensbrook fled right before the cataclysm

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and ended up crashing into the broken isles

tropic trail
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source?

dense plover
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questys

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it says it in the quests

tropic trail
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I remember it saying they fled during the second war

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not the cataclysm

dapper cosmos
dense plover
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oh im sorry

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not cataclysm

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third war

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so like 8 years

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still not even close to 2700

tropic trail
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Oh my bad I mean third war

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yeah

dense plover
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its not an apt comparisson

uncut vault
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you know what is an apt comparison? Trolls, who happen to be the counterpart to the kul tirans

tropic trail
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Yeah I guess but kul tirans weren't completely seperated from the rest of humans

uncut vault
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the different tribes are all the same race, able to interact

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but their environment over thousands of years gave them differences

tropic trail
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like gilneans were

dense plover
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they were essentially seperated

tropic trail
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Hell shouldnt gilneans be physically changed by now seeing as how long they were seperated?

dense plover
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there was no trade for most of those 2700 years

tropic trail
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other than the accents

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and culture

dense plover
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gilneans were not seperated until the third war

uncut vault
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gilneans have have actual separations for a decade or so

dense plover
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when they closed their gates

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kul tirans didnt trade with the mainland for most of those 2700 years

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they were more cut off

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not less

tropic trail
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wait

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where's that source?

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I asked for

dense plover
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for bradensbrook?

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right above

tropic trail
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No

dense plover
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scroll up

tropic trail
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The Kul Tiran Humans

dense plover
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oh for kul tirans

tropic trail
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yeah

dense plover
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i cant find the video from blizzcon

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still looking

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blizzcon videos are hard to find

uncut vault
dense plover
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thank you

uncut vault
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pretty sure thats the one

tropic trail
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have a timestamp?

dapper cosmos
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its a blog

uncut vault
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but also, quests in drustvar explain it

dense plover
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^

uncut vault
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their arrival involves the drust story, and that conflict

tropic trail
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also a video there

dense plover
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its pretty well explained that only those who survived fighting the drust are stil alive

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and they were the ones who had kids and stuff

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so theyre bigger

tropic trail
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So what im getting at

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is that humans went there and fought the drustvar

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and got bulkier and shit from evolution

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then gilneans went there

dense plover
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no

tropic trail
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and created kul tiras

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bummer

dense plover
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the gilneans went form the start

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from

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some became bigger - the ones who went to drustvar and fought the drust

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some stayed and founded boralus

tropic trail
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So drustvar was seperated from the rest of kul tiras, yes?

dense plover
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some went north to farm wheat in stormsong

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big mountains

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difficult to cross

tropic trail
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big mountains

dense plover
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not as big ingame as they are in lore

tropic trail
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I mean they had to trade

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they weren't completely seperated

dense plover
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they didnt

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they were hardy and survived by scraping by

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they hunted monsters

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made sausage from pigs

tropic trail
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and is this mentioned in the blog?

dense plover
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quests mostly

uncut vault
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chronicles 1 has it, actually

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been changed in BfA to add the conflict but the summary is the same

tropic trail
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in the blog y'all linked

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I dont see the kul tiran thing

dense plover
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yeah

dapper cosmos
dense plover
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as i said

dapper cosmos
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click play on that

dense plover
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mostly quests

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there we go

dapper cosmos
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its at the point where he mentions why some Kul'Tirans are bigger

dense plover
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thank you sangstrom

meager warren
dapper cosmos
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👌

tropic trail
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I think I found it

dense plover
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its in the video

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iits even timestamped

tropic trail
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I got it, no worries

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Anyways adding on to previous discussion

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someone mentioned not having enough character slots for more allied races

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causing allied races to be locked onto a race or something?

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like void elves and night elves

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apparently they are increasing the slots

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so we good im assuming

dense plover
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yes

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each pair of races = 2 more slots

tropic trail
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Okay that makes a lot of sense

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How Kul Tiran Humans evolved seperately and whatnot

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only thing that bothers me is that they didn't mention anything about the beefier kul tirans being drustvar specific other than the monster slaying

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also they also didnt say anything about the drustvar kul tirans being secluded from the rest

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unless I missed it

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lag

dense plover
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its explained more ingame

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which is fine

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since you wont see them as a player race until after doing all of the story

tropic trail
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Okay so im fine with this except you can't really tell at first glance how they're much different

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which is also fine because of the questing to unlock them

dense plover
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yes you can

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theyre huge

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like theyre very very tall

tropic trail
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but for example you can tell with nightborne and highmountain tauren

dense plover
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several heads above regular humans

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they look very very different

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i promise

dapper cosmos
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Can confirm

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that are they are wider

tropic trail
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They're not that tall but I've seen them compared to normal humans

ruby prawn
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Kul'tyrans are thicc af

tropic trail
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and they're pretty tall

dense plover
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they are

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theyre very tall

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theyre almost the same height as tauren

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slightly shorter

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but not by much

tropic trail
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Well let me say something though, if you could

dapper cosmos
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also about the Drustvar thing, this video is of the cinematic kinda saying that.

tropic trail
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Let's say im someone who's racing to complete the zone for the allied race

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or just to get to 110

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120*

dense plover
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120

tropic trail
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Yeah I fixed that

dapper cosmos
ruby prawn
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You can't really race to do that. The allied races will be released later

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In the xpac

tropic trail
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Throughout Suramar they constantly remind people about the nightborne's connection to magic and how they evolved and what-nit

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Well race to get exalted

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I should say

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Since everyone would want to play them

rich apex
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Sometimes people are just big

tropic trail
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You can quest through suramar not reading quest much and still know how they're different

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and Kul Tiras

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meh?

ruby prawn
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It's obvious kul'tyrans are bigger

dapper cosmos
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^

ruby prawn
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You will see better when the game launches

dapper cosmos
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please see the image I linked above, it it a height comparison someone did on the Beta.

ruby prawn
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And width as well

tropic trail
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I know how they look in game

ruby prawn
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And you are saying they aren't very different m

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From humans?

tropic trail
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Well people in norway are taller than americans

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and are mostly blond

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not that tall

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but the amount of differences they have compared to north americans

ruby prawn
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I don't think they are supposed to be from Norway in game xD

tropic trail
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is the amount of differences I see in Kul Tiran Humans and Normal humans

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Until I've read the quest

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then It changed for me

ruby prawn
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What do you think about highmountain tauren and regular ones?

tropic trail
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Well Since I was forced to do the huln quest

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and really didnt read anything

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I know about them receiving their moose horns

ruby prawn
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Maybe we will know how they got so fat

tropic trail
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but Im pretty pissed... and happy that their culture isnt really different from normal tauren

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Happy that I finally get some updated tauren lore

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but pissed that they're not unique

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But yeah I get the point

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Super happy y'all had the patience to convince me this

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but I would want them to make kul tiran humans being a different breed of human more clear

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without having to read quests or look at blizzcon videos

uncut vault
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I dont know how it isnt clear

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they push it over and over and over that theyre an isolated human kingdom

tropic trail
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Yeah but there are different houses/regions of kul tiras that aren't evolved

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with drustvar being the "beefy" humans

uncut vault
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it isnt just the drustvar humans, I dont know why people are saying that

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kul tirans of any of the zones can be bigger

tropic trail
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Now Im annoyed again

uncut vault
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most of the ones ive seen are proudmoore and ashvane

tropic trail
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Okay so how do normal humans dont evolve with the kul tiran humans in kul tiras

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that confuses me

uncut vault
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because normal humans didnt have to fight sea beasts and wicker monsters

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its really not that complicated

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kul tirans, unlike other human kingdoms, had a tougher time surviving intheir kingdom

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so they evolved to survive better

tropic trail
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No I mean

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Kul Tiras isn't ALL beefy humans for example

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there are normal looking humans walking around

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so how did the beefy ones evolve

uncut vault
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because not everyone is constantly fighting

tropic trail
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and the others didnt?

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I cant explain why but it makes no sense

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drustvar thing made sense

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this didnt

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If they were fighting that long I would imagine most kul tirans look like the beefy ones and not half and half

uncut vault
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I really dont know how to explain it without insulting you, so for the sake of the discord Im just gonna stop.

tropic trail
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No, go ahead

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Im here to learn

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What doesnt make sense to me

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is that there are skinny humans with the kul tiran humans

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and no skinny humans elsewhere

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Also saying that alone is insulting so I'd just say the whole thing

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Oh and to be fair I only really go on discord when I drink

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Im really occupied when im not

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so sorry for the shit thinking

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but the longer I chat the worst it gets

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I start off good and I get worst

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really sorry I should get off now before I get off track

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also I said this before so just restating it

sour burrow
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So many small messages o.o;

tropic trail
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also really dont get mad, It's just a bad habit of mine. I really like this server and dont want to get bad views

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Its just that I drink when I have nothing better to do

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and I post pretty dumb stuff

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I chat on discord when im bored and I drink when Im bored

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and it usually results in me getting bad views from the other people of certain servers

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good servers

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and I usually leave because I feel guilty

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yet its a really bad habit of mine

sour burrow
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Previous Allied Race pairs are:
Elf <-Culture(+Ears)-> Elf
Tauren <-Culture(+Hooves)-> Draenei
Orc <-War-> Dwarf
Troll <-Civilization-> Human

New Allied Race pairs can be predicted as:
Vulpera <-New-Race-> Sethrak
San'layn <-Revived-Race-> Mechagnome

This is going off of the theory of Race -> Allied Race:

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/races

Human -> Kul Tiran || Orc -> Mag'har Orc
Dwarf -> Dark Iron Dwarf || Undead -> [San'layn]
Night Elf -> Void Elf || Tauren -> Highmountain Tauren
Gnome -> [Mechagnome] || Troll -> Zandalari Troll
Draenei -> Lightforged Draenei || Bloof Elf -> Nightborne
Worgen -> [Sethrak] || Goblin -> Vulpera
Pandarn -> [Jinyu/Hozen, ???, or Not Planned]

World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft

World of Warcraft

tropic trail
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Totally see the Draenei and Orc thing

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being the alien races of WoW

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and all their history

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why aren't goblins opposite of gnomes

uncut vault
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cause it's going off of the in game interface

sour burrow
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Yep. I think that they may have, after the first few, decided their initial selection of Allied Races primarily based on the interface / UI choices. Obviously some of it's speculation, but the current hard facts at least line up moderately well.

tropic trail
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Oh alright

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I could've went without saying all that btw

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but as I said the later it is the worst I get

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and this

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:-(

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Well I'll just stay here if anyone want's to chat about future allied races

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without the weird stuff

uncut vault
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a lotta people are probably asleep, dont take the silence personally

tropic trail
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Oh no Im not

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Just I can tell when I get on people's nerves

sour burrow
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I was talking about them, but you weren't engaging with my comments, lol.

tropic trail
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I just don't really know what to contribute to that type of discussion

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I guess the infected gnomes could be better than mechagnomes?

ruby prawn
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There are no more infected gnomes in the lore

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I think

uncut vault
#

there are

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ones clear of mind too

tropic trail
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True but I don't think Blizzard has plans to release an ugly race anytime soon, definitely for gnomes.

ruby prawn
#

I still don't think Blizzard will add leper gnomes

tropic trail
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Would be the least played race in WoW.

ruby prawn
#

Gnomes already are probably

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The least played race

tropic trail
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Gnomes are already one of the least played races in WoW, leper gnomes will be worst unless they come out having really cool visuals and what not.

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We're missing a robot race though, could definitely see mechagnomes being added.

sour burrow
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Same animation.

ruby prawn
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I hope the players will be able to retake gnomeregan soon

tropic trail
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Ideas like that get a lot of people in this server telling you it wont happen

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but I hope it happens too

ruby prawn
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A gnomeregan raid would be cool. I think it would play similar to Ulduar

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But the horde needs a faction specific raid as well

tropic trail
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That would be really cool

ruby prawn
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So I dunno what they would take

uncut vault
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I mean, they released nightborne

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so ugly races arent off the table

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:^)

ruby prawn
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Lol xD

tropic trail
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Well I can't see anything gnome related without anything goblin related being involved

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So many a kezan raid?

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Old zones being revisited

uncut vault
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theyre not as counterpart as people think

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goblins are getting plenty of focus this xpac

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independent of gnomes

tropic trail
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I know but I dont know any abandoned horde capitals other than kezan for a raid

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other than lordaeron

uncut vault
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I dont think anyone believes gnomeregan will be in this xpac

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itll be a both factions thing

tropic trail
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I want a tinker hero class

ruby prawn
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They said they want to bring Kezan back into the picture

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So maybe in a later patch we will revisit some old zones

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Like we journeyed to Argus in legion

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We will journey to Kezan/Gnomeregan

tropic trail
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I think a tinker class would bring a lot of attention to Goblins and Gnomes without releasing a hero class for an already highly played race

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Elves

ruby prawn
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It would kinda balance the race population if they were only for goblins and gnomes

tropic trail
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At this point in the game we're really in the big game and dont have a reason for focusing on small things like gnomergan

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but it could possibly have some use

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Im not sure how though other than faction v faction xpacs like BFA

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Like for the legion we focused on argus

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and broken isles

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and dalaran

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the important stuff

ruby prawn
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Maybe after we finish the war stuff we will focus on rebuilding

tropic trail
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I guess

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Im trying to think of a reason for gnome and goblin tech

ruby prawn
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Technological advance

uncut vault
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I mean if we're going into a likely northrend 2.0

ruby prawn
#

You know Civ V?
Maybe we will focus on a scientific win rather than domination xD

uncut vault
#

who better to deal with things like the nerubians than people who live underground

ruby prawn
#

I hope we get another underwater zone like vash'jir

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I love that zone

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It's so beautiful and different from the rest

tropic trail
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With the revamping of old zones I can see some use for Gnomergan in the future

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Like Lordaeron

uncut vault
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I sure hope it's not revamped like Lordaeron is

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lol

tropic trail
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It could be like Suramar

uncut vault
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its already gone through 14 years of a smoking mess

ruby prawn
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Im pretty sure they will revamp all the zones slowly. In patches or xpacs

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"cleansing of felwood" - I'd like to see that

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Or maybe just a visual revamp

tropic trail
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I can see Gnomergan, like Suramar, being full of Hostile gnomes and friendly gnomes with some quests throughout it and maybe a dungeon or raid.

ruby prawn
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There is already a dungeon for gnomeregan though

tropic trail
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2.0 dungeon

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Also this dungeon wont take place in all of gnomergan

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and only select parts

somber arch
#

well there was already a deadmines before cata revamp

tropic trail
#

What im suggesting is that they dont revamp the old gnomergan dungeon

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and just release a new one for 110+

ruby prawn
#

I'd like to see the patches going something like this:
8.0- war preparations
8.1- war campaign
8.2- Aszhara and Old Gods
8.3- restoring old zones (gnomeregan/Kezan)

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I think it would be quite fun and it wouldn't be boring. The scenery would change quite a lot

tropic trail
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I dont think restoring gnomergan is really an option for a hub sadly but could still be as I suggested a questing place.

ruby prawn
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A capital for gnomes though

tropic trail
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Well Nightborne dont have a capital.

ruby prawn
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A place for the Horde players to go raid everyday

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Nightborne do have a capital...?

tropic trail
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I mean it's not a hub, like you cant just relax there like Dalaran.

ruby prawn
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No, it would be a capital like ironforge

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And goblins would have Kezan

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They do need kaja'mite after all

tropic trail
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What I'm suggesting is add some little camps around new Gnomergan to hang out in. Update all of Old Gnomergan for xpac and add a Zidormi for old gnomergan. Allow 110+ questing throughout current Gnomergan without having to do a dungeon/raid to see it. Then a raid or dungeon in the lower areas like Suramar has. What do you think about that?

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Even though it's not really a capital it could still be a cool concept.

ruby prawn
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Yeah it would be

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But for both factions or only alliance?

tropic trail
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Im guessing Horde can run the dung/raid too but can't quest there.

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Like in BFA.

ruby prawn
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Yeah, that would be cool

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Like a battle for Lordaeron scenario

tropic trail
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Yeah, like that.

ruby prawn
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Battle for Gnomeregan

meager warren
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they could put a bronze dragon outside the part of where the dungeon is and have the new Gnomeregan be the hub

ruby prawn
#

Our beloved Zidormi

tropic trail
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I was thinking add some hostile leper gnomes and some ally leper gnomes (or mechagnomes) and farm some rep there to unlock the gnome allied race.

meager warren
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i hope the update the original gnomes first

tropic trail
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So most of the quest would be centered around helping the mechagnomes or lepergnomes out and cleansing gnomergan.

ruby prawn
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Gnomeregan is pretty big. That would work. With world quests and dailies

tropic trail
#

IDK if there are world quests in BFA

ruby prawn
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There are

tropic trail
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Alright, then yeah.

ruby prawn
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It was a great idea in Legion. I loved them

unborn pagoda
#

Battle for Gnomer already past before cataclysm

tropic trail
#

Someone earlier was making a point.

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Updating old content takes space which can be used for max level content.

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So that's why I was thinking about the questing and what-not.

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So technically Gnomergan will be "cleansed" at the end of the questline and the dungeon/raid but we wont be able to look around since the mobs and what-not will still be there for questing purposes.

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and world quests

ruby prawn
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Kinda like Suramar is currently

tropic trail
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Right.

ruby prawn
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I'm sorry, I gtg. I'm at school. Have fun!

tropic trail
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I'll be streaming trhe beta.

meager warren
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@tropic trail i'm interested in ur twitch prof pic

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too small to see t tho

tropic trail
#

dID YOU WATCXH THE STREAM?

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Did you watch the stream?

tropic trail
#

Angery Supbro ;')

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Or rather, surprised!

tropic trail
#

hi, does anyone know if we get to keep the underlight angler in bfa?

strange falcon
#

i believe we do

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but most of the legion only traits are getting disabled

meager warren
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no i did not watch the stream

tropic trail
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ah ok thanks

limber mural
#

Will we still be able to get the underlight angler in BfA? My mom's still working on the achiev

tropic trail
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Yes, you can @limber mural

limber mural
#

neato thanks

hollow dock
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ALL artifacts can still be earned pos tlegion

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none of them are being removed.

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If they were, you'd be told looooooooong before it happened

ruby star
tulip sun
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Lol

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That is cool, even friendly sea giants.

balmy shell
#

Has there been any mention of new server merges?

hollow dock
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nope

verbal badger
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don't think they need more merging for now

sharp bluff
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this is a good year, new fallout, new WoW xpac, new pokemon, new megaman

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Turtle disco raves

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mmmm

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so are the turtle guys nomads? or do they have a city somewhere?

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it seems odd they would not have murloc problems if they have a city

hollow dock
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Unless the murlocs fear them and their turtle loa

sharp bluff
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Murlocs have fear?

hollow dock
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Yes! They also can be highly intelligent

rich ocean
strange falcon
hollow dock
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How exactly?

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it's not lining up with the curve

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and even then

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that curve isn't a perfect curve

rich ocean
#

Woosh

meager warren
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/r/whoosh

sharp bluff
#

so... anyone else want to tame that Fetid Devourer?

hollow dock
#

not really tbh.

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I'd rather a spirit beast devilsaur

drifting current
#

I think the Fetid Devourer would go great with a Forsaken hunter with a good undead/scourge mog

lone fern
#

how did ppl get to revered with honorbound/7th legion or whatever its called so quick? im stuck at 8.8k/12

meager warren
#

relentless grind

sour burrow
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There's 8 dive bars, and all have been found. *takes partial credit for spurring on the search* :)

sour burrow
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And oh hey, he got unbanned, datsgood.

hollow dock
#

who?

meager warren
#

^

lone fern
#

dropped from a regular rare but since its white and soulbound

dense plover
#

maybe a secret?

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found it

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its an achievement

lone fern
#

ahh thanks, i googled the item itself but since it got different naming in the achievement..

sour burrow
#

Be sure to bug report that awful description. Two typos on it, yeesh. :P

wild pewter
uncut vault
hollow dock
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Half the book was spoiled tho

ruby star
#

new build expected tonight or?

wild pewter
#

It's actually a pretty good letter from Anduin to Sylv

tulip sun
#

Hm...

hollow dock
#

It's almost like Anduin wants the war to end and Sylvanas doesn't because Sylvanas heavily benefits from war since that's the quickest way to make more Forsaken

tulip sun
#

I am not going to comment e.r

uncut vault
#

Build is going to be late this week due to holiday weekend

vocal bear
#

so um guys i know i asked this once before but aren't there any other confirmed allied races in BFA ?

night swift
#

Maghar Orcs, Kul Tiran Humans

uncut vault
#

So far we only have the eight confirmed

vocal bear
#

oke

night swift
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WIth Dark Iron Dwarves and Zandalari Trolls

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Then the four we have now

vocal bear
#

i want more elves san'layn :3

night swift
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Nah

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We have enough elves now

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san'layn are kinda dumb anyway

tropic trail
#

We have too many slutty female races as it is

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We need another badass one

night swift
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that too

vocal bear
#

i agree

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but you know more slutty female races is also a +

tropic trail
#

Im tired of seeing slutty blood elves, slutty night elves, slutty humans, slutty void elves, slutty trolls, and slutty nightborne

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and worst of all

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slutty pandaren

vocal bear
#

yup those pandas are thiccc

strange falcon
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mate you've never seen a tauren in a slutmog

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that's the stuff of nightmares

tropic trail
#

Oh and I forgot draenei

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I want Vrykul

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The perfect amount of badass to not be considered a slutty race

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I just dont see Vrykul being added though in BFA with their influence in Legion

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I doubt they'll reappear anytime soon

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Unless we get some type of Lich King 2.0 xpac.

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I don't see them being added this late either as a Legion Allied Race.

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Hell, Vrykul would've been a better Alliance Allied Race than Void Elves.

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Instead of two Argus Allied Factions.

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Also, potential Forsaken Orcs/Tauren in BFA?

terse patrol
#

they wouldnt be playable

tropic trail
#

Who?

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Undead Orcs and Tauren?

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I was just hoping with Sylvanas killing everyone and reviving them and such, we could've got a new Allied Race out of it.

uncut vault
#

the clear solution is slutty men

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we need a twink race

tropic trail
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Yeah, Vrykul men.

terse patrol
#

@uncut vault trap race

uncut vault
#

lets not

terse patrol
#

lets do

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or a dragon maid race tbh

tropic trail
#

We already have an anime race

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pandaren

hollow dock
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@tropic trail The 'sluts' only stop when the females arent attractive.

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Belves are more anime than pandaren tbh

terse patrol
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nah then you just get snu snu orcs @hollow dock

tropic trail
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True, but you don't really see much Slutty Orcs.

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They're not the most attractive, sure. They're pretty though.

hollow dock
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Clearly you dont play on roleplay servers.

tropic trail
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Yeah but I'm just talking about casual play on PVE servers.

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What most people are on.

hollow dock
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Thats whete most people will go slut. Cuz its fun and good to look at xD

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On roleplay servers theres more people that build a definitive look for the character.

tropic trail
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Draenei women turn me off big time.

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No thanks.

hollow dock
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Or go even sluttier. Its a 50/50 really

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No one said draenei women?

tropic trail
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Yeah, I did. Earlier.

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Slutmogs on Draenei are hideous.

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Who finds a space goat attractive?

uncut vault
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a lot of people

tropic trail
#

Then the males are just blue refrigerators.

hollow dock
#

Some people are attracted to that

uncut vault
#

yeah those refridgerators are 👌

#

different strokes for different folks

hollow dock
#

Yup. Thats what happens when you play multiplayer sadly

tropic trail
#

True, everyone has an acquired taste.

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I really like how Dark Iron Dwarf females look.

hollow dock
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I do my best to have as little armor as possible for my tanks because its hilarious to me

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Just have this big scythe that should cut me in two since I have no armor deal next to no damage. C=

terse patrol
#

I'm a degenerate who likes shortstacks so

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Dwarves, gnomes, and gobbos are my thing.

tropic trail
#

People with slutmogs come out weird to me.

hollow dock
#

Slutmogged gnome tanks are the best

tropic trail
#

Usually guys with slutmogs.

hollow dock
#

Its weird to look at a half naked girl kill demons and dragons?

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Isnt that what fantasy is all about.

tropic trail
#

At least make an updated slut mog.

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If I'm going to be forced to look at slutmogs.

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At least let it be updated instead of vanilla shit.

hollow dock
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Cant do that without updated slut armor

terse patrol
#

sadly most slutmogs are vanilla/bc gear.

hollow dock
#

And vanillas the only time they made slut armor 🤷

terse patrol
#

Blizzard hasnt made good slutmog material in ages

hollow dock
#

The most we got now in legion is DHs

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And thats to show off the tats

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And restricted to leather. And you dont see like 80% of the time

tropic trail
#

This slutmog is fine to me

hollow dock
#

Thats not even slutmog lol

tropic trail
#

it fits the undead theme, it looks updated, and it's not too slutty

hollow dock
#

Are you one of those guys that thinks showing a little skin is slutty?

tropic trail
hollow dock
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THAT is a slut mog. As little armor as possible.

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The cloth you showed is normal mog. Since its literally just designed for cleavage

tropic trail
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Showing a little skin isn't bad but it's a slutmog when it shows off the parts that matter

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anything with the blackmage pants

hollow dock
#

Thats not what a slutmog is but OK.

tropic trail
#

blackweave?

hollow dock
#

If you believe so

tropic trail
#

How come not?

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It's a slut mog when it shows off the slutty parts, yes?

hollow dock
#

Showing off cleavage isnt slutty? Its normal fashion for women.

tropic trail
#

Most people see it as slutty, but I guess it depends on how much cleavage

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Anyways the forsaken mog shows most of it while only covering up the nsfw parts

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like one of those slutty mmos you find online

hollow dock
#

the fact that it's covering it up is why I really wouldn't call it a slut mog.

sour burrow
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I don't see why it matters. :P Anything not covering near-completely is failing at its job as armor. Yet we have all sorts of options that fall into that. At a certain point, you end up with bikini-armor.

Also, you guys really should just watch more anime and let yourself be desensitized to fanservice. It makes things much easier when it's not a matter of being offended.

lone fern
sharp bluff
#

Looks like a shaman or DK could make it

lone fern
#

trying as dh tank now. especially interesting because that island is not visible on the general kul tiras map

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made it

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island has a name, Fate's End

robust musk
#

Anyone else getting issues with quests not refreshing on the quest log?

lone fern
#

random cave entrance, nothing inside, all thats there is what you can see

📎 unknown.png
#

yes, its been like that for a while now Xela

robust musk
#

Ok
-- next q. Does battle for lorderon crash for Everyone?

lone fern
#

apparently fate's end was the prison for jaina

dense plover
#

okay

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just finished stormsong

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i like the quilboar a lot

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i always have

#

i like the zone a lot

#

i hope we see more done with them

uncut vault
#

quilboar seem like another obvious "we're continuing this in a future patch" thing

#

like the drust

dense plover
#

yeah

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essentially we push them back to a kraul

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and then thats about it

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like - "we pushed them back, we can now safely arm ourselves to deal with them later"

#

hooly shit

#

i just realized wyrmbane is soldier 76

#

you do know making any video about a class in relation to numbers is worth nothing right?

#

number tuning has just started

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like literally within the last few builds

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its nowhere near done

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actually

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nevermind

#

this is the only thing youve posted in the discord

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<@&299347348847329281>

west relic
#

@severe venture no

#

if your only reason for joining this discord was to ninja-post self promo, then you joined for the wrong reasons

severe venture
#

not the place? sorry. you guys got a designated place for posting content like that?

dense plover
#

its not that type of discord

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its 99% discussion

#

actually

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maybe 80% discussion

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20% hangout place

severe venture
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no prob, sorry

sullen dagger
#

and some shitposting and memeing with sprinkes on top

#

anyway, i was doing some questing in (ugh) draenor

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and and i got some doubts about the lore

#

there's been ay cases of void thingies being "claimed" bvy the light?

severe venture
#

oh and it's really not numbers i was talking about, more just the overall feel of the spec

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and talent changes. like losing ancestral guidance is going to have repercussions for resto shams regardless of tuning/balance

dense plover
#

itll probably be fine

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ive seen a bunch of resto shamans in dungeons and theyve done a pretty good job healing me

severe venture
#

yeah it's just fun to discuss imo

dense plover
#

just flew over a sandstorm in voldun

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viewdistance gets cut in half

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and the wind starts to blow

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so great

tropic trail
#

nathanos and greymane as the final BFA bosses?

#

No, how about nathanos and gallywix

sullen dagger
#

noway

#

the doggo is here to stay

tropic trail
#

We cant kill off sylvanas

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but we can kill off one of the minor faction leaders

#

for a faction based xpac

#

and same goes with anduin

#

I dont know any other alliance to kill off other than jaina

#

people have been asking for malfurion and tyrande a lot actually

#

Their stories are just beginning though

#

they've lost their home

#

I can see one of them dying off tho, to give the other further motive to fight the horde

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like the horde assassinating malfurion due to him being probably one of the most powerful beings on azeroth

sour burrow
#

The sandstorm effect is a very welcome addition to vol'dun, yeah. Noticed it a while back (after I finished actually questing there, sadly.)

tropic trail
#

Greymane has always been at Sylvanas' throat, it would lift a lot of weight off her shoulders to finally kill him.

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I'm just not sure any other worgen has been given enough screen time to take the lead from him if he died tho

#

Lorna

#

not sure if she's a worgen

#

I don't think she is

#

there's his daughter, I suppose

#

or his wife

#

She's like the nathanos to genn though

#

and tess is well

#

I dont know his wife and tess aren't really important

uncut vault
#

I dont know about Genn, but Im almost positive that Nathanos is dying this xpac, simply because his character has nowhere to go

#

and Sylvanas' does

tropic trail
#

based on his reaction to sylvanas slaughtering the forsaken in arathi, I think he's supposed to betray her eventually

#

I would support that but I feel he's too small of a character to be a "final boss"

#

But then again I had no idea who the hell argus was up until legion

#

maybe sylvanas will kill him

dense plover
#

i mean

uncut vault
#

new War campaign thing

dense plover
#

they can have nathanos and sylvanas in a relationship

#

i mean

severe venture
#

here's hoping nathanos dies. he rubs me the wrong way.

uncut vault
#

they replaced the to be continued thing

dense plover
#

she definitely loves him

uncut vault
#

seems the quests will continue once you win the warfront

dense plover
#

they had that short story a long time ago

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and she saved him

tropic trail
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Sure I'll support that, if we get Vrykul

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also, if the horde has no way into EK, how are they staging a warfront in arathi?

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Ill support anything if you give me vrykul

uncut vault
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they have plenty of ways

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they still own most of hillsbrad

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just lost tirisfal and control in WPL

tropic trail
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But damn fat humans ruin my chances of vrykul

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I'd assume alliance would've plowed that on their way to capital city

uncut vault
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alliance comes from the north

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sail around

tropic trail
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there were no ground troops that came by land?

rich apex
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Remember

uncut vault
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nope

rich apex
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BFA plot doesn't run on military logic

dense plover
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its based on where the troops were

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they were not in stormwind

tropic trail
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What are the vampire elves called again?

uncut vault
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I mean Id say its a lot easier to sail around to the least defended part of Lordaeron

tropic trail
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san'lyn or something

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I hope to god that's not the undead's allied race.

uncut vault
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than try and plow through barracks and bulwarks

tropic trail
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Also a lot of people already think we have enough Elves.

uncut vault
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and the Alliance clearly succeed, so its sound logic

tropic trail
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true

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Im switching Horde after this

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Alliance isnt getting anywhere interesting

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always the same

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why was the horde army waiting in lordaeron tho? I'm probably missing some context, but how did they know the attack was coming?

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I dont know

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they did burn down teldrassil

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so Im guessing its common sense

uncut vault
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we're missing some pieces that I hope get told in the short stories

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my hope is that the explanation will be Gilneas

tropic trail
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maybe she was planning to siege stormwind, that's something she mentioned wanting to do

dense plover
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i really really hope the alliance gets gilneas

uncut vault
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and that the alliance has reclaimed it at this point, so they return to defend lordaeron

dense plover
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they have the tech to rebuild it now

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and make it look cool

terse patrol
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They do, but I doubt it’ll be in game

tropic trail
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Maybe she was rallying an army to siege stormwind with

rich apex
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Sylvanas presumably expected a counterattack

tropic trail
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burning of teldrassil would be the first part

uncut vault
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thats such an inaccurate map lol

rich apex
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After Teldrassil

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The map is great but it's -super- speculative

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And 100% fan made

uncut vault
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wowhead made way too many assumptions and generalizations

terse patrol
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well yeah

rich apex
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And people are still going to wave it around as if it's canon

terse patrol
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But Blizzard wont likely make a territory map

uncut vault
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Ive seen a better one, that put markers based on forces, not areas held

rich apex
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Like the mission table flavor text is great, full stop

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But it's really not indicative of plot

uncut vault
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because thats what the war is, movement of forces

tropic trail
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since blizzard is constantly changing lore I hope they can do something with that untouched piece of land and make some dark iron dwarf bases or something

uncut vault
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you mean up in northern lordaeron?

tropic trail
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Yeah

uncut vault
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definitely wont make it dark iron stuff

terse patrol
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I -want- to see a Dark Iron town, that uses new assets.

tropic trail
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That was the lore location of another dwarf clan but I cant remember which

uncut vault
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theyre getting their hub in Blackrock

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youre thinking of Northeron

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a wildhammer town in Twilight highlands

terse patrol
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Northeron is in the Twilight Highlands

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It fell into the sea mostly