Do you have evidence of that?
#beta-ptr-spoilers
devout wagon
hollow dock
Yes?
dense plover
yes
hollow dock
its on beta
devout wagon
Links?
dense plover
literally beta
hollow dock
you been under a rock my boyo?
dense plover
look it up
devout wagon
Screenies?
dense plover
^
theyve even talked about it
essentially the warfront is active for several days for one faction. During that time, one faction can queue for it, and the other can go to the zone and do world quests and fight world bosses
after a time it switches
and so does the zone
when horde is incharge, the horde base is built
alliance in charge, alliance base built
its not 100% finished yet
but its pretty close now
hollow dock
its even got rares that drop mounts associated with whoever is up
hollow dock
if the hordes up, horde rares that drop mounts like armored raptors and captured horses
if alliance is up, it's alliance variants
dense plover
since getting some of those mounts was impossible for the other faction until now
and the next warfront takes place between the barrens and dustwallow
alliance rebuild theramore
and horde rebuilds camp taurjo
its about the alliance trying to storm the gates of mulgore
and horde trying to keep the alliance out
devout wagon
Teldrassil and Undercity are the only two zones that are being changed to any large degree. I doubt changing out some npcs and burning some buildings down is note worthy. I just looked up Barrens and Dustwallow Marsh changes in beta and nothing came up. So again, if you actually have some links that I can look at, that'd be great.
dense plover
both of those zones will probably be redone
dense plover
gimme a sec
hollow dock
we've seen it ourselves
dense plover
i got this
devout wagon
So nothing aside from warzones?
tropic trail
Wait, really though. What final bosses could be after Azshara and N'Zoth?
hollow dock
As we said. the warfront areas are being updated
devout wagon
Yes.
hollow dock
to reflect the warfronts going on in the area
devout wagon
That isn't what I was talking about.
dense plover
but it shows that theyve entirely redone the entire zone
hollow dock
Arathi, soon Barrens and Dustwallow
dense plover
the ground, the trees everything
hollow dock
that's more than just Teldrassil/Darkshore and Tirisfal
dense plover
^
devout wagon
No zones are being changed (side from warfront locations) other than Terldrassil and Undercity.
To clarify.
dense plover
thats an oxymoronic statement
since arathi is being changed
not just when queued
but in the world at 110+
devout wagon
That is what I was asking in the first place and you went off and started talking about warfronts. That isn't what I was aksing.
simple mica
Wow someone is tense....
devout wagon
You clearly aren't understanding.
tropic trail
Anyone want to talk about potential new classes and allied races?
hollow dock
is being changed to reflect the warfront happening
Regardless of the warfront being quable
it's being updated in full for 110+
devout wagon
I was talking about zones that are not affected by warfronts. For the fifth time.
devout wagon
I did. I was asking about that.
dense plover
no, they arent changing ALL of the zones
devout wagon
That's because those two zones are the only zones that are actually changed to reflect the map changing if you do not include the rotation of warfront zones.
devout wagon
Thats what I said.
tropic trail
Will they change more later in the xpac?
dense plover
the zone updates are permanent
possibly
they said they might decide to update the zone with the end result
devout wagon
How about you stop trying to argue. They haven't said how many times a faction can win a zone back. Hence, rotation.
hollow dock
But the zone updates are, for now, permanent.
devout wagon
You just did.
hollow dock
Like the new stromgarde building, trees, etc.
dense plover
because they are
devout wagon
:facedesk:
devout wagon
You're literally putting words in my mouth to try and win an argument that doesn't exist.
tropic trail
I really want Stranglethorn Vale to be changed but I doubt it
hollow dock
is that not what rotate out means?
dense plover
its exactly what it means
hollow dock
Im asking maxi
dense plover
but they have mush brain
devout wagon
I didn't say "rotate out" so I'm not sure why he shifted the concept to that.
hollow dock
I believe the confusion is this:
Arathi is getting its full update
whatever base is active will be active on rotation
like the Argus bases
Argus doesn't stop existing because of the bases being active
just like Arathi
devout wagon
I don't think anyone is confused about how warfronts function, Vris. But thanks for the clarification. PeachyBoi here just seems adamant on picking apart words to argue.
dense plover
no
tropic trail
Are the Nelves and Forsaken possibly getting new capitals with the destruction of their old ones?
hollow dock
None so far Rys
devout wagon
They simply move to the Faction capital.
dense plover
it isnt just for the warfront
tropic trail
Oh, that's a shame
dense plover
thats wwhat im saying
hollow dock
Theres refugee camps in UC and Stormwind
tropic trail
I was hoping for them to finally update Nelf and Undead starting zones and remove zidormi from both areas
tropic trail
could be a lot of work, but would be worth it
dense plover
it wouldnt be
hollow dock
Zidormi wll never get removed
dense plover
cataclysm tried that
hollow dock
thanks to how cataclysm was recieved
devout wagon
Wrong. You're still under the misunderstanding that I was talking about warfronts, despit specifically stating that I was not talking about warfronts. -- Anyway. Most of the Nelves and Worgen are now in Stormwind. IT'd be nice to see if they actually use Gilneas for something other than an empty shell of a zone.
tropic trail
To be fair though, at least for me, cataclysm quests were bad
devout wagon
I doubt the Nelves would like it, but it's there.
tropic trail
Legion quests werent so bad
dense plover
nightelves could live in that tree thing there
the proble rys is they spent time redoing old quests
tropic trail
I actually enjoyed the broken isles quest
dense plover
so there was no new content in cata
legion didnt go and redo old zones
and BfA is only redoing relative ones
tropic trail
Maybe they're getting to the point to where there are too many new zones though
devout wagon
It would make resonable sense that the Worgen would return the favor, but it seems the Worgen haven't even bothered to resettle their own city. (Probably because of the proximity to Lordaeron), but now that it's gone..
tropic trail
Sure but Zandalar and Kul Tiras were supposed to be small islands
dense plover
hell, i predicted this expac on a basic level back in july when the armor was leaked
zandalar is a relatively small island
compared to kalimdor or EK
tropic trail
and on top of that Broken isles wasnt supposed to be nearly as big as it is now
devout wagon
Relative to what though? ๐ค
dense plover
that was retconned
broken isles was retconned
the warcraft 3 broken isles is only the broken shore
tropic trail
and suramar
dense plover
and the ruins of suramar they found were edge pieces from outside the bubble
that was specifically retcconned
tropic trail
I don't dislike the changes to Broken Isles, but they could've scrapped all that and worked on other lore islands
and places, y'know?
dense plover
there arent that many
and theres nothing wrong with new lore
in fact new lore is very good
it adds new things to an old setting
and stops the lore from getting stale
like Ghuun
Ghuun is an old god we didnt know about
it would be retconning, except it is titan made
it wasnt sent by the void lords
thats new lore
its good
tropic trail
Could you name some islands/places that have yet to be added into the game for me? I only know of what's been added into game so far
dense plover
dragon isles
plunder isle (possibly coming in BfA based on some datamining)
tel abim
devout wagon
dense plover
oh boy
dense plover
that map isnt canon anymore
devout wagon
I'm aware.
dense plover
it was moved slightly farther out to sea in chronicles
and then cata yanked it even further
tropic trail
What you're naming is just a small bunch of islands though, at least what im reading it appears to be.
dense plover
there arent any other decent sized islands we know of
tropic trail
That's my point
dense plover
eventually we might go back to kezan as a full thing
tropic trail
we're reaching the end
dense plover
the MOTHERLODE isnt kezan anymore
no we arent
we have an entire other side of the planet
we dont know whats there
tropic trail
there's hardly any lore if not none that supports there being any islands and what not being back there
I would guess the titans would mention something about it
devout wagon
I doubt that will ever be explored. Bliz enjoys the fact that it's unused and a mystery. They'd have to create a lot of new content to establish a whole new continent.
cunning sun
when do I get my silvermoon revamp
tropic trail
because they need heroes
cunning sun
#boycottforsilvermoon
tropic trail
I would rather more revamps then to add new continents or islands to the back of azeroth
WoW is getting old
dense plover
god no
devout wagon
Same reason why the Exodar was arguably an important set piece in Legion and wasn't touched at all.
tropic trail
Okay but mistakes happen
tropic trail
they could give it another shot and possibly do it right this time
dense plover
cata bombed because redoing zones takes lots of time for little reward
cunning sun
cata gave us the badlands questline where you get to punch deathwing in the face
so overall a 100% complete success
dense plover
aand BfA has something similar
tropic trail
you mean the allied races?
dense plover
with a laser dolphin
tropic trail
Oh
devout wagon
That's true, as long as you ignore the fact that most players want to see development in the world that they think is living. A majority of the zones have been the same since Vanilla.
hollow dock
We wanted that in Cata maxi
devout wagon
Hardly.
dense plover
none of them are the same as vanilla
devout wagon
Yeah.
hollow dock
and yea all the zones got an update in cata.
dense plover
the entire world
tropic trail
old world graphics look horrid though
hollow dock
there aren't any that are the same as vanilla
dense plover
its just that cata is 10 years old now
wow is never going to be about old world graphics
its too much work to do it
and it doesnt have a big payoff
people arent going to stop playing because of graphics when there is no other mmo with this gameplay, lore, or world
tropic trail
Even though lordaeron is getting updated, it's not really. You're still going to have the same old lordaeron leveling up a fresh forsaken
dense plover
yeah
dense plover
because when you are leveling, BfA hasnt happened yet
rich apex
People ain't gonna stop playing because of outdated content
tropic trail
also starting quest are really boring
rich apex
And Kul'tiras and Zandalar are looking perfectly fine
tropic trail
also with the addition of new expansions lore really doesnt make sense
devout wagon
Peach, bud. You're not listening. Players want new content to explore. Even if that was the same old world zones updated to legion-year textures -- people would be happy. They want to see change. Progression and recession. The only time players see any of that is when a new continent is added. Players go there, see all the new stuff, and briefly forget that the rest of the game still has decade old textures and objectively look like ass. I'm looking at you, Elwynn Forest.
cunning sun
the issue with them using new lordaeron for new undead is that it'd require new quests, and the quests there lead into the storylines for the neighbouring zones
dense plover
theyre trying not to pull a cataclysm where you go forward in time, then back, then forward, then back then forwward
cunning sun
so it'd throw them all off
tropic trail
like when leveling up a pandaren you still talk to garrosh
dense plover
maxi
devout wagon
Cata was poopy. We can leave it at that.
tropic trail
even though he's dead
devout wagon
Cata isn't what people want.
hollow dock
we got exactly what we asked for in cata
hollow dock
a full update
dense plover
why not maxi?
hollow dock
to the entire world
rich apex
That was a unique situation
hollow dock
to show it's living and thriving
dense plover
why wasnt it what people wanted?
hollow dock
and turns out it fucking sucked
devout wagon
People are looking for change. Not for Bliz to go in and destroy half the zones.
dense plover
is a zone stays the same
devout wagon
Not the change you're looking for.
hollow dock
that doesn't stop it from being changed
dense plover
it isnt changing
cunning sun
"We want change, we just don't want that change!"
devout wagon
^
dense plover
^
hollow dock
^^^^^^^^^^^
tropic trail
Even with the mess people still want the old world to be updated, and they're just going to ignore it?
hollow dock
LOL
dense plover
lol
hollow dock
that's so fuckin hypocritical m8
dense plover
explain the changes you want then maxi
sincce you want one thing
but not the thing that was given
dense plover
the zone redo isnt what sucked about cata. it was sorely needed - what sucked is the lack of endgame content, because they spent all of their time redoing old zones
devout wagon
Teldrassil looked like ass.
tropic trail
You make a point, it's really sad everything is about max level content now
dense plover
if they go and spend time redoing elwynn forest, what do we lose in exchange?
its always going to be about max level
just like every mmo
tropic trail
That's disappointing
devout wagon
What Teldrassil should look like: http://img14.deviantart.net/53ba/i/2011/079/a/a/jim_button___environment_2_by_shiramune-d3c21sw.jpg
dense plover
the game has always been about max level content
devout wagon
dense plover
and if they spent time doing that
then what would we lose maxi?
they only have so many devs
cunning sun
obviously a raid tier
tropic trail
We can make it to where the old world content ties in with the max level content
if they figure out how to do that somehow
dense plover
not easily
and not in a way people really want
you tie in that content, but the zones will quickly get samey
because you leveled through those zones
youve seen them a hundred times
devout wagon
Blizzard is one of the largest gaming developers in the world. That's why I never buy it when Ion says "You want new worgen models? That's a lot of time and manpower for a single thing. We have more important stuff to work on", when in reality, three artists and ten hours and that model would be done.
dense plover
even if they redo them, you still have that problem eventually
tropic trail
well they can add minor changes to change it up a little
dense plover
lol
tropic trail
kind of like how silithus is on fire
dense plover
worgen have like 400 animations
not to mention they need to check models for armor
and for emotes
tropic trail
poor women vrykul dont even get moving mouths
dense plover
worgen and goblins are supposed to get updated during BfA though
tropic trail
RIP
devout wagon
Worgen have the same number of emotes as anyone else. I dont see why that is relevant to upping the res of a model, and changing it's head.
dense plover
it takes a long time
devout wagon
It only takes as long as they make it take.
dense plover
go read the devblog for WoD
for the race updates
theres a shit ton of work
and its part of the reason warlords had no content
dense plover
no
no potential
this is a sub based mmo
you dont axe what you have and startover
hollow dock
artists CLEARLY do the FULL MODEL REWORK of an ENTIRE RACE
devout wagon
Okay, great. But they've updated druid forms both in WoD and Legion but haven't touched the Worgen model despite the same exact logic being applied.
tropic trail
It has potential to be a better game but it will never happen because of multiple reasons and the amount of work it'll take
dense plover
the worgen model vs the worgen bear form
devout wagon
You dont have to remake npcs, bro.
dense plover
you realize bear form just has a mane right?
thats all they did?
almost all of the forms are the same base
hollow dock
You have to apply them, ensure all those armors work properly onto the new model, make sure their actions that are locked in are functioning properly
dense plover
worgen dont share a base model with anything
also, they would have to work with npcs
devout wagon
That's exactly my point, Peach.
dense plover
because removing the player one would remove the npc one
devout wagon
Yeah, and once the new model is there it's only a matter of placing the npc again.
tropic trail
I dont think updating worgen models are that hard, they made zandalari druid forms and kul tiran human druid forms even though it didn't really matter. At least the Kul Tiran ones didnt matter until the debate about zandalari trolls having ones
dense plover
make sure all of the animations work
devout wagon
Are you arguing with yourself? I'm confused.
devout wagon
You're literally agreeing with me, but still trying to find a way for me to be wrong.
hollow dock
just 3 artists
dense plover
no im not agreeing with you
devout wagon
you just did.
dense plover
im literally saying it takes many many people to do this
and that it takes too much time to be a priority
since it fucks up end game content
devout wagon
Vris
What about new fur texture changes how armor works on a model that already exists?
cunning sun
it wouldn't just be new fur texture
dense plover
base textures for worgen being updated would do nothing
but if you add fluff like with genn?
dense plover
it would clip like a motherfucker
devout wagon
Honestly the only thing people are actually asking for is a remake of the female face.
dense plover
no they arent
cunning sun
you want a higher poly model, you have to redo the entire base for the female and male worgen models, then textures to match in all the colours and variants, then rig the animations to the new models, and have QA test all armor combinations and animations
dense plover
they want the model updated to match the quality of the newer models
the entire model has to be redone and QA tested
and the same needs to be done for goblins
devout wagon
As a person who as played a Worgen since cata, in RP guilds full of worgen, I can say you're mostly wrong.
dense plover
again, they are planning to work on this in BfA
lol
anecdotes arent evidence
ever
devout wagon
Neither is your face.
dense plover
anecdotes are biased
tropic trail
I want new worgen male and goblin models
devout wagon
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dense plover
by definition
devout wagon
Bliz already said they were happy with the Goblin model and had no plans for it.
dense plover
you placed yourself in a group of people who are similar to you - therefore their opinions will trend towards being similar to yours
no
devout wagon
Yes.
tropic trail
Goblin models need updates
devout wagon
Ion straight up said "We like where the goblin is right now."
tropic trail
no hunch
dense plover
they said the same about worgens
devout wagon
Like a spider. Females eat the males.
dense plover
they arent great but they arent changing right now
the stance changed at blizzcon during legion
they were asked and said they plan to update both sometime in the near future
the current plan is sometime during BfA, but things could change
devout wagon
8.2.
dense plover
it wont be on launch
but it is planned unless those plans change
i suspect it will end up in a post raid x.x.5 patch
devout wagon
They said it'll be after 8.1, so we'll see.
tropic trail
Im sure they will eventually update old zones, even after cata. I mean they're already casually updating them right now.
dense plover
"
We haven't forgotten either! It's still something we want to do and are working on but, there just isn't really anything to update with currently. The last time we talked about it was at the Q&A at BlizzCon where Ion said that we're still working on it but it wasn't going to be in 8.0.
Hopefully soonโข we'll be able to share more info on this."
thats probably the pace zone updates will continue
a few at a time
for relevant zones
tropic trail
Im liking that
dense plover
but we wont see full redos
tropic trail
loving the old model updates aswell
dense plover
like entire continent redoes
unless of course the entire continent is revisted
like when we eventually have Lich King 2.0
devout wagon
Which it should be because it's a fucking continent war.
dense plover
and then we wouldnt have new content
tropic trail
why a lich king 2.0 and not some unique idea?
dense plover
zandalar and kul tiras still arent done
because theres tons of lore
and bolvar is awake
and doing stuff
tropic trail
yeah but sargeras is imprisoned
dense plover
and taelia in kul tiras is his daughter
devout wagon
Bolvar has been awake though.
tropic trail
and the deceiver is dead
dense plover
sargeras has nothing to do with the lich king
tropic trail
Yes he does?
tropic trail
Didn't the deceiver make the lich king?
devout wagon
Yes.
dense plover
yes to imprison nerzhul
tropic trail
and isnt the deceiver the servant of sargeras?
devout wagon
Yes.
dense plover
sargeras didnt send that order
cunning sun
I can't help but be amused by the conflicting thoughts in the WoW community sometimes, if blizzard give something with prior history/backstory people complain it's been done before and they've already visited this, if it's something new they've added to the story and lore they complain about the fact it's new and not established lore
tropic trail
to imprison nerzhul and make him spread the plague to weaken azeroth for the burning legion's invasion
dense plover
KJ did it because nerzhul failed and he needed another way to send an army to azerroth
devout wagon
That's pretty much anyone about anything, Lappy.
dense plover
to imprison nerzhul and eventually find someone to don the armor
cunning sun
true
dense plover
that was the job of the nathrezim
until they double crossed KJ
then it became about weakening the people of azeroth through the plague and undeath
arthas went out their control
and it didnt work out at all
but bolvar is there now
and hes been active as of legion
ice crown is melting
undead have been acting up
theres the whole unresolved stuff with the infinite dragon flight
since that hasnt happened yet
theres a decent amount of stuff to explore in Northrend
not to mention yogg is still alive
dense plover
you mentioned old lore and zone redos
devout wagon
It's safe to assume that all of the old gods are still alive, because killing it's physical form is just that. Killing only the physical form.
tropic trail
because of the potential northrend update
dense plover
this is the most likely place that would happen
we dont even kill the physical form
we kill a small piece of a manifestation
tropic trail
Pandaria has pretty cool lore
dense plover
yogg is massive
tropic trail
and pretty good graphics
dense plover
the biggest of the old gods
tropic trail
Yes
He controlled the most territory
Im assuming he would be like the alpha
and he was the deepest into azeroth
dense plover
yes
i meant now
sorry that wasnt clearer
yogg is physically the biggest on azeroth
approximately the size of northrend is the main mass
since both crystal song forest and grizzly hills are affected by world trees digging into yoggs flesh and sapping blood
not to mention the saronite everywhere
tropic trail
It really infuriates me how there are two dalarans
and all this lore mashup
and how nothing will be done about it
because of the work, people, and what-not
It infuriates me more how many people will complain if they update old mount models so they have to release new ones that are hard as hell to get
like the gryphon mounts
devout wagon
"Oh, you want updated mounts you already own? Better get to grinding for 50 hours."
hollow dock
There aren't any mashups to the lore lol
You're told Dalaran has moved itself from Northrend during MoP
but for gameplay sake, they can't just remove Dalaran
its a hub for northrend
dense plover
^
devout wagon
What if they just made a small hobo camp in Crystalsong forest instead
dense plover
what about all the story quests that require dalaran?
all of the npcs neccesary for various achievements?
uncut vault
Im really happy they didnt remove old Dal, would have been hell on all the kirin tor/silver cov guilds
dense plover
^
devout wagon
Leave the NPCs behind too. Say their home just up and walked off without them.
uncut vault
curent xpac hubs are not good for RP
hollow dock
Theres a shit ton of achievements that require Dalaran tho
hollow dock
Northrend dal that is
dense plover
those two capitals are RP heaven
tropic trail
It'll be pointless updating older lore
too many complications
and too many complainers out there
hollow dock
that's literally what chronicles was Rys
hollow dock
Chronicles 1-3
dense plover
northrend is still a qquesting place
when you go to do that story, dalaran hasnt moved yet
hollow dock
retconning, straightening and clarifying lore
dense plover
you arent going to dal in modern history
you are going back whhen arthas was the lich king
devout wagon
Time progresses as you level, unlike some other games.
dense plover
sort of
tropic trail
I would just preferred they started from scratch and made WoW 2 but that's never going to happen
uncut vault
they really just need to integrate a bronze dragon into the questing
dense plover
a wow 2 would be smaller and have less content
tropic trail
thats the point
tropic trail
they can keep wow 1 for the dedicated fans
devout wagon
Yeah. Go play Bless. ๐
uncut vault
1-60 can continue as normal, but once you hit 60, have the quest to choose between northrend and outland be going to a bronze dragon and have them explain that you're helping the past
dense plover
go play something new
rich apex
'hey guys you know how you've collected 13 years of shit from WoW 1'
dense plover
and thats part of the reason wow 2 wont happen
tropic trail
its just that it's getting old, y'know?
rich apex
'that's gone now'
tropic trail
Well they can make wow 2 into a new expansion
devout wagon
I feel like it's getting like, 15 years old.
tropic trail
instead of an entirely different game
dense plover
what would that serve?
tropic trail
but as I said too many complications
dense plover
weve gone over this
you keep talking in circles
they arent going to redo the whole world
devout wagon
so do you.
dense plover
its bad for resource vs time investment
devout wagon
uncut vault
we're on wow 8 already
dense plover
^
tropic trail
I'm not here to try to convince you to agree with me. I know it will never happen, I'm just saying it's a little desire of mine.
dense plover
games been getting prettier and more advanced
theres new weather getting added to the entire world
devout wagon
The issue with WoW is that it progresses through new land. Once the new island or planet comes out, anything before it becomes irrelevant. That isn't very fun after you've done it for a decade.
devout wagon
That isn't how all mmos work. Clearly you haven't played Guild Wars.
devout wagon
OF course you do.
dense plover
it has none of the QoL that wow has
way more load screens
realistic graphics that now look dated
devout wagon
I'll rephrase. Clearly you haven't played enough of Guild Wars 2.
devout wagon
Yeah. Nowhere near enough. Most noobs in WoW after ten hours aren't interested either.
devout wagon
You're clearly old.
devout wagon
Lies.
devout wagon
A peachy bottom?
dense plover
lying serves no purpose
devout wagon
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devout wagon
Butts are not weird.
devout wagon
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tropic trail
Wait can someone give me a legit reason why updating old quest zones will be bad without bringing up cataclysm?
devout wagon
There isn't a legit reason.
People are scared that not making a new zone will make players mad, which isn't accurate at all.
dense plover
thats like saying "can you tell me why cake from gas stations is bad without bringing up that time we had vomit cake at a gas station"
you are asking for an example and excluding all examples
its the definition of cherry picking
its hyper cherry picking
no
people are scared there will be too little end game content
because thats what has happened in the past
tropic trail
can you tell me why food from kfc is bad without bringing up that time we found a roach in one of our bags back in texas
dense plover
Learn from history or it will repeat itself
thats not an equivalent example
theres other empirical examples
like the quality of the food
or the ingridients
tropic trail
Okay but cata was 10 years ago
dense plover
there is no other evidence for redoing old zones outside of cata
tropic trail
and questing in legion so far has been a delight
tropic trail
sure it'll be less late game content than other expansions
dense plover
they spent the time writing new questlines
tropic trail
but it's needed
devout wagon
You know what else is a delight? Gas station cake.
dense plover
they cant do new questlines for old zones AND new questlines for new zones
while also creating new and old zones from scratch
tropic trail
They did Argus AND Broken Isles
dense plover
thats 2x as much resourcces
tropic trail
which is a lot IMO
dense plover
as PATCHES
tropic trail
Okay then just update one zone at a time
dense plover
which means 2x as much time to do
tropic trail
somethings better than nothing
dense plover
thats what they are already doing
dense plover
that wont happen
it adds no endgame content
and isnt story relevant
since when you are leveling, the stuff at endgame hasnt happened yet
tropic trail
It could be story relevant with the night elves home burning down
dense plover
great
dense plover
so you go from BfA to cata to burning crusade or wrath, to cata or pandaria
thats even worse than now
tropic trail
it's getting outdated
dense plover
at least currently its cata to BC or wrath to cata or panda
so you only go back in time once now if you do wrath
tropic trail
I dont think that matters at this point
dense plover
yes it does
tropic trail
all of that is already fucked up
dense plover
its one of the main complaints with questing
your suggestion would make it even worse
im done arguing about redoing stuff
tropic trail
Okay so instead of going through the work of adding a new storyline and what not why don't they just kind of improve the quests
and the zones
dense plover
its a waste of my time since your opinion is set in obsidian
ive given the reasons why they shouldnt do it
you disregard all evidence that supports my reasoning
and keep going anyway
feel free to talk
tropic trail
Because most of your reasoning is really negative
dense plover
im done listening
tropic trail
most of everything you say here is negative
dense plover
its fucking fact though
its negative because its true
it fucking hapened
and it sucked
tropic trail
half of the shit you say in this server is negative or contributes toward arguing
dense plover
anyone who was there for cata or warlords agrees
hollow dock
yea pretty much
dense plover
thank you vris
dense plover
^
hollow dock
it's why truth is ugly
dense plover
sorry the world isnt happy go lucky
the truth often times hurts like hell
but its the truth
tropic trail
yeah but you literally would bring up anything negative at any time
dense plover
there is no alternative
not if there is positive support
for example, i enjoyed legion a lot
its my favorite expac
i think BfA is going to kick ass - though i am a bit worried about azerite as a player retention mechanism and the current lack of interesting end game story content
tropic trail
Thinking about it, why did they update the quest zones in the first place?
dense plover
because flying
also they were SUPER OUTDATED
questing prior to cataclysm had no interactive quests
all quests were go here kill x
there were no pick mushrooms
or sit in chairs
tropic trail
Would it be bad to just to remake the starting zones so it makes sense with the lore and the expansions?
dense plover
or talk to npcs
it already does
the starting zones take place during cataclysm
if you update them to BfA
then the first time you leave, you enter an older world
tropic trail
yeah but as you said you go back in time
dense plover
only once
tropic trail
but that's still bad
dense plover
only during 60-80
but going back in time twice is much worse
the leveling experience from 1-60 has become the new player experience
tropic trail
so why dont they make the quests go from Vanilla > BC > WotLK > Cata > WoD > Legion > BFA
dense plover
and updating the 1-10 zones but not everything else would likely lead to a lot of players quiting upon reaching the next zone
because the vanilla quests no longer exist
and there is no BC or wrath content in the old world
tulip sun
Ugh guys
dense plover
honestly the best option would be level through cata to 60 - bronze drakes send you back to northrend or outland, then go back to cata or on to mop
tulip sun
I am mad, i was planning on using the riverbeast with my draenei.....BUT IT IS A HIPPO, NOT RIVERBEAST
tropic trail
I wish there was a way to update all the lore up to BFA without screwing it up
tropic trail
and also having it be enjoyable
tropic trail
I just want all the previous zones to take place in BFA
but so many complications
This is why I like WoW 2
but again.... more complications
I guess it doesnt matter though
since its about end game content
the least I can hope for is zone updates, which we're getting
Like Lordaeron and Teldrassil
So I'm pretty happy bout that
sour burrow
Anduin Wrynn - 1-6, 8-64, (New) 65-103
Boss Mummy - 1-10
Brother Pike - 2-21, 33, 74-76, 81, 84-100, 108-116, 127-130, 132, 140-143, 151-214, +Combat
Bwonsamdi - 57-61, +Combat
Captain Delaryn Summermoon - 1-2, 9-10, 21-26, (New) 31-77, Dummy 78, (New) 79, Dummy 80, (New) 81, +Combat
Captain Rezokun - 118-123, +Combat
Cyrus - 13-22, 45, 47-55, 88-93, 117-118
Flynn Fairwind - 112-114, 197-299
Garona Halforcen - 1-8, +BS 5
Genn Greymane - (Only) 12 ...
Gorak Tul - 1-21, (New) 22-39, +Combat
Grand Mada Ateena - +Combat
Hexlord Raal - 1-58, (New) 59-62
High Overlord Saurfang - 1-70, +Combat
Hireek - +Combat
Inquisitor Joan Cleardawn - 57, 68-71, 90-105, #33 REMOVED, +Combat
Inquisitor Notley - 1-24, 32-45, +Combat
(New) Jaina Proudmore Child - 1-7
Katherine Proudmore - Dummy 30-110
(New) King Varian Wrynn - 1-3
Kiro - 74-79, +Combat
Kul-Tiran Commoner, Kul-Tiran Military - (Most missing have been added, exact numbers excluded)
Lady Jaina Proudmore - 1-31, 33-69, (New) 70-79, +BS 5
Lady Liadrin - 41
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner - 98-156, 158-169, 171-177, 180-181, 183-187, (New) 188
Lorash - 1-25, +Combat
Master Mathias Shaw - 1-18, (New) 19, +BS 3
Mayor Roz - 1-11
Outlaw Pirate Boss - 1-6
Princess Talanji - 12-40, 42-47, 49, 51, 53-54, 56, 58-69, 72-84, 110-188, #244 REMOVED, 252-257, 260-273, 282-348, (New) 349, +Combat
Priscilla Ashvane - 1-20, 25, 27-32, +Combat
Queen Mia Greymane - 1-19, (New) 20-21
Renzik the Shiv - 1-10
(New) Renzin the Shiv - +Combat (One is typo)
(New) Rhonin - 1-3
Rokhan - 5-6, 128, 132, 153-155
Rosaline Madison - 1-22, (New) 23, +Combat
Sergeant Calvin - 1-2, 4, 8-75, 78-89
Sethrak Melee Male - 1-19
Sunwalker Ordel - 1-7, +Combat
Taelia - 1-10, 26-27, 30-37, 42-43, 55-58, 108, 131-138, 176-178, 185-192, 194, 200-204, 208, 221-228, 236-237, 244-246, 253-286
Ulfar - 1-25, +Combat
Undead Drust - 24-36
Undead Drust Monster - 1-2, (New) 3-16
Warchief Voljin - Greeting 1-5```New voice files for b.26707, .mp3 version - http://tobias.kemonoart.org/b.26715 New Voiceovers.zip
Zip will be removed in a few days, probably.
sour burrow
One, you're not staff, lol, so just because you don't, other people might find it interesting.
Two, it's specifically every voice file that was added between last build and this week's build.
dense plover
you dont think staff already have the voice files?
from a week ago?
they just dont upload pieces
for example they wont upload voljin until the rest is in or a lot is
and this is a discussion channel, not a staff submission channel
sour burrow
Again, are you staff or in direct communication with staff on this topic?
sour burrow
Then stop speaking for staff. I actually am in touch with Perc behind the scenes. They added some of the major ones, yes, I am 100% aware.
dense plover
datamining for this build is done at this point
sour burrow
This is the comprehensive list.
dense plover
good for you
glad you are in touch with staff
still doesnt change that this is a discussion channel
sour burrow
Yes, this is still a topic of discussion.
dense plover
and me saying the files already exist on youtube
from someone who we regularly link
because they get uploaded rapidly
sour burrow
Except they don't. Sethrak Melee (Male) wasn't for example.
dense plover
because its just an abstract single sound
nobody uploads that because theyre going to wait for the rest of the sethrakk sounds
sour burrow
That IS all of the Sethrak sounds, actually.
dense plover
right now
sour burrow
Aside from a few of Vorrik's, every Sethrak has their full set of sounds.
sour burrow
Female Caster / Melee and Male Caster were uploaded at the same time, alongside M/F monster Sethrak sounds.
sour burrow
Those did make it to youtube, but if it wasn't for my efforts alongside a few others in the allied race hype discords, none of the named sethrak voices would be on youtube. Yes, those are all in now except 07 and 08 for male for "Friendly Sethrak Generic"
dense plover
were they in this build?
if they werent i might need to report some bugs
theres a bunch of female sethrakk that have some male vo
sour burrow
They were in earlier builds, the only things that changed this build were what I listed above. Yes, there's issues with some of the in-game sound hookups in the Temple of the Devoted.
Also the only female sethrak model in game atm is Sethraliss.
dense plover
yeah but there are female sethrakk
sour burrow
Oh, I know that.
sour burrow
Either they will hold off until a later patch for female generic creature models, or they will have them as Arrakoa until later.
dense plover
so i need to go report those bugs
sour burrow
I've seen identical guards with the same outfit using both male and female voices, lol.
dense plover
like theres a few sethrakk that have some male and some female voice stuff
yes
theyre agender visually
tropic trail
Can someone relink me the source stating that the warcraft RPG books are non cannon
tropic trail
It's too far up the chat
dense plover
use the search bar
tropic trail
I have my reasons
sour burrow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421048865731641355/450225736167587840/SethralissStand.gif
Sethraliss is actually a definitively different proportioned model from the regular Sethraks, in that she has female proportions to a subtle extent (and eyelashes) - Waist, chest, arms.
tropic trail
But I will
sour burrow
She also has the ability to have all geosets removed.
tropic trail
I got it
It doesn't directly state the Azotha being non cannon
For now it's non cannon, sure
but it could very well be cannon in the future
dense plover
thats true for anything
sour burrow
So as with the potential for Captain Eudora to receive an updated model, there's a chance that the reason Sethrak sounds are still in a state of awkwardness is because they have plans to insert a female creature model; they just have to create the creature armor sets for the female version, as well as lock in place what differences females will have from males. Example with Sethraliss, the spikes, horns, skin colors, and general subtle differences in proportons.
dense plover
thats a nonsequiter
tropic trail
So it's safe talking about it
dense plover
no
tropic trail
Yes?
dense plover
theyre noncanon
tropic trail
Yeah but it could come up in the future and I see no lore reason why Azotha wouldn't make sense
If they're ever added to the lore
dense plover
because they dont exist
they arent
weve had 3 chronicles volumes of them not existing
it isnt 'safe to talk about'
its the opposite
they do not exist
sour burrow
On a similar topic, Vulpera 'monsters' got combat sounds added in. Female Battleshout 03 is particularly amusing. I don't track the Mon sounds, just the vo_801 files, but I did notice those two were fresh additions.
In any case, back to the original point, other people may be interested in looking at the full set of recently-added voiceovers. So I see no harm in sharing them and listing the contents of the zip.
sour burrow
Thx. :) No worries, I know you try to keep people from re-treading the same content, but rest assured I have been quite uhh... dedicated for this particular topic, for whatever reasons, haha.
dense plover
and yeah some of the sounds in that list i actually havent heard upon further inspection
im finally glad akunda is in though
tropic trail
It's a shame Azotha aren't a thing, such a good idea gone to waste.
sour burrow
Also, ****ing ****ty god**** ****ing beta, am I right? :P It's completely unplayable this week, lol.
Akunda's area is indeed weird. The loa's voices are what's new. And yeah, General Jakrazet is one I'm waiting for, too. I'm also unsure if all of Korthek's lines are in, unless IGCs get embedded sounds. (Do they?)
dense plover
oh i havent had unplayable issues
the first day or two yeah
but its mostly better
tropic trail
Anyone want to talk about potential allied races?
sour burrow
My 120 can't log out.
My fresh 110 can't progress through Great Seal initialization.
All characters get quest tracking issues.
Alliance intro is broken.
Horde intro crashes.
I hear that Vol'dun and Nazjatar are broken. XD
Minimap has massive holes for no reason.
It's an absolute trainwreck atm, all in one build.
sour burrow
Not even.
tropic trail
It's been kind of stale lately with a bunch of unfinished stuff, will there be a lot of stuff being added in the summer or something?
uncut vault
Are you saying the beta is stale?
tropic trail
Sorry wrong word
I mean in the last few weeks only some problems have been solved
like cinematics and stuff, y'know
uncut vault
last build had a lot of bug fixes
tropic trail
and BFA is near
sour burrow
Potential races under the the 'each race [slot] gets an Allied race' theory:
Goblin -> Vulpera
Undead -> San'layn
Worgen -> Sethrak
Gnome -> Mechagnome
Vulpera are the most likely, and need something to pair with them. The most likely candidate for that flavor-wise is Sethrak. Sethrak also got ArtOffLoop added to them for no reason as well as player capes and tabards 'accidentally' inserted onto their models and then removed across two more builds following that. All of these facts are 'weird as hell'.
terse patrol
BFA launches August 14
uncut vault
made the alliance war campaign completable
sour burrow
Things are slowly being filled out, yeah, but there's a lotttt of various small holes, heh...
tropic trail
I'm pro mechagnome but I dont see any connection between goblins and vulpera other than the animations and the obvious stuff
uncut vault
dunno why people are so hard on the "need to pair with an existing race" thing
that was already not true wtih void elves
no connection to any alliance race
tropic trail
I wasn't at first until I brought up Vrykul potentially being an allied race and a few people saying Humans already have an allied race
sour burrow
@dense plover Here's my workfile that I use to determine which voiceovers are added each build, if you're curious.
It takes a fair bit of time, and if I had the right tools I could probably just do a full extract each build on the sound directory and do a directory comparison, but I don't have something like that set up, so instead... text file and manual labor, heh.
Void elves are slotted in with the Night Elves.
uncut vault
those four will probably happen, but its for story relevancy, not relation to one specfici race
sour burrow
It's not about being 'related', it's about the slots lining up.
tropic trail
I don't think Naga or Vulpera should be an allied race
uncut vault
but they dont line up with night elves
tropic trail
even if vulpera lack animations of their own
I would say the same about Vrykul but Vrykul are kind of similar to humans and I cant really see them being that different from humans or dwarves
sour burrow
They are elves, thus they line up as an 'alternative' to Night Elves. In the same way that we have troll, dwarf, human, orc, tauren, other-elf, and draenei.
Literally, aside from pandas, the only non-paired races would be Goblin, Worgen, Undead, and Gnome.
And the most obvious existing races for those are Vulpera, San'layn, Mechagnome, and possibly Sethrak.
tropic trail
I think what he is suggesting is having two allied races tied with one race
sour burrow
That is, again, going by pure pattern-driven logic alone.
tropic trail
instead of one allied race paired with one normal race
uncut vault
Im not, Im saying theres no connection there
tropic trail
Oh
uncut vault
they dont need to be tied to an existing race
sour burrow
There's a pattern visible atm, and that's the outcome from filling in the blanks.
Is it the guaranteed answer? Unsure.
But it's a valid pattern completion that also uses races that DO have in-expansion hints of being story relevant.
tropic trail
I see Zandalari Trolls being a very good allied race but I really dont see much of a difference between Kul Tiran Humans and Regular Humans
uncut vault
you mean besides the completely new model?
tropic trail
I seen a post though suggesting Kul Tiran Humans being Half Half Giants
Yeah besides that
Kul Tiran Human Models are giant compared to normal humans
uncut vault
playable humans are stormwind humans, completely different culture from kul tiras
dense plover
kul tirans are just hearty
tropic trail
Kul Tiras wasn't seperated that long
dense plover
they arent part giant
uncut vault
2.7k years
tropic trail
Oh shit but there are normal humans just walking around in Kul Tiras
why do certain ones have to be really big and really fat
uncut vault
cause not everyone is a sailor or a soldier
dense plover
theyre from drustvar i think
tropic trail
That would make sense right there
dense plover
the heavy kul tirans are descended from the ones who went out on boats to hunt monsters
being bigger was a result of success
sour burrow
There's also a lack of finalization on the player version of Kul Tiran. They're WAY behind the Zandalari, and they are even behind the Vulpera!
dense plover
you were stronger, wealthier and ate better as a result
they arent coming with launch
sour burrow
Which given that the Vulpera aren't even confirmed as an allied race, is pretty sad.
I know :)
8.1ish
dense plover
plenty of time to work on them
tropic trail
Don't get me wrong I like my Kul Tiran Humans but to my eyes and almost everyone elses eyes, they're just fat humans.
sour burrow
And especially true of San'layn and Mechagnomes as an 8.3 pair.