theyre very similar to wild gods and operate in similar fashion.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
wheat elm
i guess Loa is just a name for anything the trolls bow their heads too
rich ocean
Yet he was ressurected into a new body. So why cant a loa do the same?
wheat elm
doesnt strictly mean wild gods
dense plover
Because they aren’t the same
wheat elm
i mean its proved when they call ghun a Loa
dense plover
Titans can split off pieces of their soul, why can’t we? Example of the type of speech you are using here
False equivalence
hollow dock
but that doens't make every loa a wild god
rich ocean
Titans are also millions of times more powerful then us
dense plover
Just because one thing works one way doesn’t mean they all work that way
rich ocean
so why does a creature stronger then us, have LESS capabilityies then us?
wheat elm
baby loa
dense plover
Less?
hollow dock
plot armor
rich ocean
Yes we can...
dense plover
We’ve only died in lore once
rich ocean
Mandokir, Teron gor
rich ocean
Literally all the original death knights
hollow dock
Teron Gor and the Deathknights of first gen are orc souls slapped into other bodies through dark rituals
that we dont perform
rich ocean
Loa are weaker then random orc warlocks?
dense plover
No
hollow dock
that no one performs actually
dense plover
They’re stronger
So regular bodies don’t work
You can’t just stick a loa in a body
wheat elm
"Torga was killed by the blood trolls at Torga's Rest in Nazmir, his flesh eaten by them,[2] and his blood used in a ritual to summon Jungo, Herald of the Blood God[3] and raise undead.[4] However he was reborn as a baby turtle with the aid of the tortollans.[5]"
The fact that loa was used in a ritual too and came back pretty much ups the chances of rezan not even being corrupted, and just dead
dense plover
He didn’t actually die though
rich ocean
Aparently random normal turtle babies are enoiugh...
uncut vault
Dungeon journal says he isn’t dead either
dense plover
He used the energy of his spirit to came back
uncut vault
Just got his spirit severed from his body
dense plover
^
wheat elm
yeah
dense plover
Fel, you don’t know any of the lore you are talking about here
hollow dock
to note.
As peach said earlier. It requires special checks that only the writers really know
dense plover
You keep using false equivalence saying X character did this, so why can’t a loa?
Because they’re a loa
They’re too strong
They can’t keep their soul in a regular body
hollow dock
also one thing that was a thing is a spirit rejecting the body.
rich ocean
Except torga keeps his in a baby turtle...
dense plover
That’s why when they resurrect, it’s significant
He isn’t inside a baby turtle
There’s a ritual
rich ocean
hollow dock
(You should check the source of it Plague)
dense plover
It’s not a turtle they pick up and stick his soul in
hollow dock
(rather than argue it)
wheat elm
actually its an egg
hollow dock
indeed.
wheat elm
we put his soul into a egg
hollow dock
Like avianna on Hyjal
dense plover
It’s an egg that has a specific ritual performed
hollow dock
it wasn't any specific egg. It's one Avianna chose.
dense plover
Specifically as Torga wants it
hollow dock
So we had to go and save it.
dense plover
With a specific egg
rich ocean
Im simply argueing i made a silly theory for a joke that very much is possible as there is nothing to deny in lore that it could happen and it seems to make you very mad that i could even think of it.
dense plover
It’s not possible though
hollow dock
But the loa have a choice (which is the writers) and they don't have your wants.
rich ocean
It very much is, there is nothing in lore that says that it CANT happen, it hasnt happened yet, but we havent seen anything say it cant, why it was more of a "Woudlnt it be funny if this happened? It could but it most likely wont"
Like the jaina is a dreadlord, it COULD have been a thing... Was it likely though? nah...
dense plover
It was never a real theory
hollow dock
so much that WoW is built on
dense plover
It was a joke theory back then
hollow dock
People took it seriously it and pained me
rich ocean
Yet you didnt catch on "FUCKING T-REX WARCHIEF" as a "joke' theory?
dense plover
Why are you arguing it then?
hollow dock
Not really, no.
dense plover
Joke theories aren’t possible
hollow dock
If it were, why not deflect and just say 'relax its just a yoke'
dense plover
The Jaina dreadlord theory was never possibly
It was a nonsense joke from the start
rich ocean
Because it very much could happen, would it? absolutly not, but it could, Anduin could also suddenly become a light praising lunatic and betray the alliance with velen, killing the horde and alliance, leading into the comic where him and velen go to defeat the shadow in a draenei ship.
hollow dock
Not counting personal deaths to pitfalls, miscalculated jumps, mass pulls, raid wipes, etc.*
rich ocean
Warrios also die agaibn
sharp bluff
DK death, Lich king raid death, if horde you die for a bit in stormheim
hollow dock
(Wait in that comic he refers to Anduin as High King of the Alliance. )
rich ocean
Remember their order hall campaign starts with them dieing
dense plover
Almost dying
rich ocean
Yes vris, but maybe its the true alliance, the others not willing to follow the light, so they were purged.
No peach im pretty sure you die...
hollow dock
there aren't any alliance members that arent already or unwilling to follow the light O.o
sharp bluff
warrior one your on the brink i think, then the big dick in the sky nurses you back to health
rich ocean
uhhh... There is LOTS Vris.
hollow dock
Like what. PC warlocks?
sharp bluff
partially yes, but there are sects of them that only stay in one form
rich ocean
Only the night elves beleive in elune
also warlocks dont follow the light, or the void elves
hollow dock
How do we know their religious beliefs?
rich ocean
Remember how xera allmost killing Alleria if not for turylon being there and keeping it calm?
The light does not just let void users be part of its group.
There is a reason alleria is imprisoned...
hollow dock
So who says you can't still pray to the light?
sharp bluff
it wont answer
hollow dock
So>
hollow dock
Xe'ra* would rather kill them
rich ocean
The light*
hollow dock
Light isn't an autonomous force.
rich ocean
Do you forget draneor?
hollow dock
It is an energy
rich ocean
No it is not just an energy
hollow dock
On Draenor it is a Naaru
doing it
Yes it is
Chronicles vol 1 m8
Shadow and Light are energies of the universe.
Nothing more
nothing less
rich ocean
Notice how all these naaru seem to have this specific goal, all shared between them, even though they have NEVER met?
hollow dock
Xe'ra is a manifestation of the Light
rich ocean
And are literally on alternate timelines?
hollow dock
Indeed. As manifestations they have a purpose.
But the energy tha tis light
does not
Otherwise it wouldn't be used to murder and torture people
Which it very much is
rich ocean
Except how come the light is able to sense your beleif in it?
how can an energy work on beleif
if not for being sentiant
hollow dock
It doesn't. Your belief is what calls it. Your belief opens up that channel to it
wheat elm
i guess that if Light has a purpose its only to spread
rich ocean
You beleiving in yourself is not enough, you need to beleive in it, and it needs to grant you its power.
hollow dock
much like a mage or a void user.
That is very false that it needs to grant you its power Fel
wheat elm
and the void's "purpose" is to consume
hollow dock
Otherwise it'd never be used to again
rich ocean
Yet Arthas beleived what he was doing was good and rightious but the light left him.
hollow dock
commit evil crimes
which it very much is
He stopped believing in the light
that is the difference
All that is required to use Light is a sense of Justice, vindication and righteousness.
rich ocean
The light does not seem to care about good or bad to it we are ants, ants killing ants is nothing to it, as long as we are using its power to eventually help its goal.
wheat elm
he could still use the light after picking up frostmourne, but he went insane
rich ocean
"Justice" Enslavement "vindication" slaughter "righteousness" enslavement and slaughter.
hollow dock
That is pretty false as it serves the scarlet crusade in torturing the living
rich ocean
How is that false? as long as people beleive and devout themseles to it, it will help.
hollow dock
The light itself is an energy much like the shadows are.
jade basalt
It is wrong to conflate all Naaru with Xe'ra. Xe'ra, she was not accepting of the Void. And no she never tried to kill Alleria, she was sent to jail (I mean it makes sense, you're an army of Light people, and you start doing the literal opposite and go full Void, and so despite multiple warnings that you shouldn't and if you do you'd have to be imprisoned, so nothing weird about this).
But the rest of the Naaru usually are. A'dal knew that both Void andnLight were necessary to the balance. Even the Draenei practiced shadow magic. Don't conflate Xe'ra with all Naaru, that's not fair or right.
hollow dock
It has no sense of anything. It comes at your beck and call as long as you're self-righteous, vindictive and such.
dense plover
Fel you literally are just spouting bullshit
Do you also believe the shit that Pyro spouts?
hollow dock
All forms of magic are just manipulations of magic. Chronicles enforces this.
rich ocean
When Alleria first came back Xera reacted VERY aggressivly to Alleria but was only stopped by Turylon. Also its not just what Xera did, if it was just her that would be fine, but dont forget ANOTHER naaru is doing the EXACT SAME THING on Draenor.
hollow dock
The manifestations of these magics and energy does have a purpose.
also wait
Did Xe'ra try to kill Alleria?
or was she just being aggressive to her?
🤔
rich ocean
Let me go check the audio novel from where it was.
jade basalt
She literally just told her that the Void was bad and wouldn't be tolerated, that's all and it makes sense.
And you don't know that the AU naaru is another Naaru and not, say, AU Xe'ra.
rich ocean
Its the naaru we save when we arethere i cant remember its name
so no its not Au xera because Au xera would be in the army of the light
jade basalt
We don't know its name yet.
hollow dock
In which that is what specifically Xe'ra acts towards. No other naaru that I am aware of
jade basalt
That's all.
rich ocean
Its the naaru that they were following.
hollow dock
does the same
jade basalt
We don't know the name of the Naaru who created the Lightbound
hollow dock
In which this is getting off topic to the original claims.
rich ocean
Ka'ra
hollow dock
That is that Light, Shadow, arcane, death, fel, and nature are all energies at base manipulation.
Their manifestations are what we learn from to channel it and when we stop channeling it in those ways, we end up losing that power.
jade basalt
You're talking about the BFA story right ?
And even if it was another Naaru, 2 Naaru =/= all the Naaru. Literally every other Naaru we have met aside from Xe'ra was nice and understanding.
rich ocean
The naaru we have seen before we havent had these comfortations with, and the ones we have have been so old like burning crusade that the story was not set up back then.
hollow dock
hey Mind, mind confirming or denying my simplification of the magic system in WoW?
rich ocean
Here is the thing, when suddenly blizzard introduces 2 new naaru and both of them go batshit crazy, and we had not seen one in along time. At that point you have to go "blizzard is changing the story"
jade basalt
Just because Xe'ra doesn't accept the Void doesn't mean all Naaru do. We literally know for a fact that the Sha'tari led by A'dal are fine with it. There is nothing to argue.
rich ocean
That was back in burning crusade. That was way before they knew what their story had planned.
hollow dock
Wasn't the A'dal mentioned in Vol 2 of chronicles for the current day outland stuff?
jade basalt
I don't care, you can't say that all Naaru are one way just because of Xe'ra.
You can't generalize a whole species because of 1 individual. Especially when we have other individuals that prove you wrong.
rich ocean
Again both of the recent naaru, not just xe'ra
hollow dock
Doesn't that solidify the idea that A'dal and possibly the other normal Naaru are OK with it?
jade basalt
Volume 3. A'dal and basically all the Naaru we ever saw, were all part of the Army of the Light.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
Alright then. Case closed.
rich ocean
Before Wod and Legion when was the last time we had a big interaction with a naaru? I think BC.
hollow dock
It being in BC does not matter.
They brought that story up to current day in Chronicles
dense plover
chronicles is whats accurate fel
rich ocean
Except chronicles says nothing about how adal and the others feel about what xe'ra or Ka'ara are doing
just because it mentions"they are army of the light" does not mean they are the EXACT same as they were back then.
hollow dock
No, but it solidifies that what is in game about them is the canon for right now.
jade basalt
You can't state that all naaru hate the Void just because of 1 (or 2, I don't care). Same reason you can't say all humans love ketchup just because you like it.
And especially when we have explicit examples of naaru going against what you claim.
hollow dock
Especially when blizzard didnt change their stance in Chronicles and kept the story untouched.
He's not
jade basalt
What
rich ocean
so when we have 3 epxnasion of no naaru
hollow dock
with the Naaru
rich ocean
then suddenly 2 naaru are added and BOTH are okay with this...
rich ocean
You have to go "ok... well maybe this is blizzard new idea"
hollow dock
Or maybe that is just what those 2 naaru think of
rich ocean
This is NOTHING like real life, because real life is not a story.
jade basalt
I mean I can use in-lore examples as well. Saurfang doesn't eat pork (trauma), it doesn't mean that all orcs don't eat pork. Just 1.
hollow dock
Saurfang also doesn't like heights right?
rich ocean
Saurfang is also not born from the same force as all orcs. Saurfang is also one orc of many spoken about every expansion.
rich ocean
We had 3? wotlk, cata, and mop without any naaru, then suddenly the 2 new naaru we get are ok with this.
hollow dock
So clearly
that means that Saurfang stands for them all
since it was added in BFA
that must be blizzards new plan
rich ocean
Vris i find it sad you keep going "But where is your evidance to say elsewise" as an actual defence, but then say when i do it, it is not allowed?
dapper cosmos
Because your evidence is garbage.
hollow dock
I mean your evidence is tha tthe Naaru are a collective hive mind
just because of the actions of 1 named and 1 unnamed naaru
rich ocean
So here is the thing, again blizzard are writers, of a story, filled with retcons, even ones in cata and wotlk.
hollow dock
despite naaru like A'dal not having changed to this same mentality
But here's the thing Fel
rich ocean
A'dal is from an expansion where illidan was a bad guy.
hollow dock
CHRONICLES IS MEANT TO STOP RETCONS WHICH MEANS IF IT WASN'T CHANGED THERE, IT'S NOT GETTING CHANGED
rich ocean
Yet chronicles states nothing on the naaru's ideals.
hollow dock
Because it brings the story that is in game
to those pages
solidifying that the story is unchanged
the characters
unchanged
rich ocean
Blizzard is being obvious but alos sudtle about their idea of us one day fighting the light. Putting a literaly exerpt in the chronicles of "oh yeah and all these naaru, totally fine with mass enslavement" is just.
rich ocean
A game theory thanks for watching
But seriously it is obvious blizzard plans for us to fight the light, its whati llidan said we must rely on ourselves not some force.
We will fight the shadow most likely first, then find out the light needs to be dealt with too and deal with that. Or both at the same time, whatever blizz decides to do.
hollow dock
Not really. It's an interesting theory
but personally I do not think that is simply true.
as we can't blanket an entire race of beings on the actions of a few
rich ocean
So why do you think blizzard would literally make a death cult out of the light, and have us watch one of the lights represenatives try to enslave illidan, then make us cheer him on when he kills it...
rich ocean
Thing is when the VERY BEINGS MADE OF THE LIGHT, THE ENACTERS OF ITS WILL do this.
hollow dock
cuz the scarlets have been in since vanilla
rich ocean
The death cult on draenor.
hollow dock
There is no death cult on draenor lol
rich ocean
Where the light TELLS THEM to do all that.
hollow dock
the Lightbound are made of willing converts of orcs
rich ocean
and they kill those who dont accept
its not very willing if your killed if you say no.
hollow dock
They kill those who do not convert and fight back
Do remmeber: Yrel approaches grom
and asks for a final time to convert over
But that does mean multiple askings
Not to mention you are making wild assumptions without having the full story
So. I wouldn't really make the assumptions in the first place but that's just me. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rich ocean
"Their naaru masters compelled them to spread their influence among the orcs. A few converted willingly. Others had the Light forced upon them."
I also notice how it says "masters" more then one naaru?
hollow dock
So now there's more than 1 naaru?
rich ocean
Guess so.
hollow dock
The story keeps changing. Not sure if its really final then
rich ocean
... Are you implying im making shit up?
hollow dock
No? Im stating that blizzard is stillamkign changes
at first it was 1 naaru
now its multiple?
That tells me there's still re-writes coming
rich ocean
Ok cause how youve been talking and with the "so now there's more then 1 naaru" seemed like you were being agressive again.
And i dont think it was ever 1 this is the original post on wowhead
hollow dock
If you interpreted that I apologize.
hollow dock
Wowhead does edit their posts over the days as more information comes out
rich ocean
Not 18 day old posts though.
hollow dock
No but who's to say it didn't get changed from day 1 to day 2?
rich ocean
let me look at reddit
hollow dock
Ah yes reddit. the place that states that void elves and nightborne aren't blood elves and night elves.
rich ocean
... I mean for a screenshot or something from the DAY it went out....
so we can see if it was changed after....
hollow dock
I still wouldn't trust reddit honestly.
mint arch
world of GREYcraft: battle for(ced) azeroth
dapper cosmos
A blizzard employee themselves has said that you shouldn't take the datamined broadcast text with any meaning right now.
hollow dock
I'd trust Wowhead solely. since reddit is just a bunch of idiots trying to be nobbel.
Indeed they have sang.
Sadly here we are.
mint arch
nobbel-sama 
hollow dock
GIT DAT WEEB SHIT OUTTA HERE
rich ocean
I mean they say that, but that literally means that we should absoultly talk NOTHING about the beta AT ALL cause any of it could be changed...
mint arch
rich ocean
If something is changed then we change acordingly, but we cant just NOT talk about ANYTHING cause it could change.
hollow dock
We should still give feedback on their class stuff.
dapper cosmos
Datamined broadcast text >< entire beta
mint arch
text can always change
hollow dock
The story stuff very rightfully we shouldn't takeseriously
especially since they do elaborate, change, or explain it later
hollow dock
Like Lillian being fully explained
mint arch
text they can change whenver
hollow dock
and Rexxar.
mint arch
lilian -_-
hollow dock
Lilllllllllllllian
mint arch
pls pls pls pls pls be uncrowned stuff
hollow dock
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLillllllllllllllllllllllllllllian
She told us she saw an opportunity and has taken it. 🤔 when asked about uncrowned stuff
mint arch
"after failing to exterminate horde leader"
lul, as if anyone ever thought that would succeed
dapper cosmos
Fine example of text changing would be the letter you were able to find in Stormsong that litterally painted Sylvannas as wanting to murder everyone in the valley just cause, now its been elaborated upon to explain that she is only doing that because she wants to disrupt the supply chain to prevent the Alliance from getting supplies in the future.
rich ocean
Why garona joined the horde after the alliance even accepted her after they killed their king, knowing she had been mind controlled, and when the hord themselves enslaved her...
rich ocean
What sang said, that MASSIVLY changes everything. Yes they sill murder civilians, but there is a big difference between "cut off their supply lines" and "KILL EVERY THING THAT MOVES!"
hollow dock
(Current horde leadership* isn't the horde that enslaved her*)
mint arch
not really big difference
rich ocean
You forget sang that was only like what... 25 years ago?
rich ocean
ALOT of the orcs are VERY MUCH still alive, who killed alliance along side her
hollow dock
Do remember that most of the hord of today are vets of the second war.
dapper cosmos
Yes, but they weren't the ones who enslaved her.
mint arch
btw, has there been more text about why garona joined the horde?
hollow dock
and the second war orcs were the orcs that invaded Azeroth with Gul'dan
tulip sun
I am assuming theyll eventually add something, like with voss
hollow dock
while it was Ghoulish daniel that enslavedher, it's stillthe main horde that did it
they did and I already stated it several times Khamnin
rich ocean
With garona its just "The horde is my home' or something
hollow dock
sylvanas forced the Silver Hand into the alliance
rich ocean
Also i still dont get it, why does lillian join sylvanas when her whole thing is she HATES necromancy?
mint arch
no one knows really :/
hollow dock
At least as of cataclysm they dont
rich ocean
Fenris isle yeah.
mint arch
hope its that garona and her are undercover after they get info about sylvanas actions at that meeting
rich ocean
I find it weird you agree with me on things most people dont, but on things most people do, you disagree with my HIGHLY
dapper cosmos
Forsaken still have free will.
hollow dock
They all wind up back in Sylvanas' care again. Lillian is just another case of that.
rich ocean
Debatable Sang, while it shows in some places, i ntohers it doesent.
hollow dock
They do not. At least, not the lower born ones.
rich ocean
Abominations, and fenris isle, both examples of areas that seem suspicous.
hollow dock
The higher ups proven to be loyal to sylvanas do in fact have free will to Sylvanas as its what she grants them
rich ocean
Also skeletons she raise have absolutly no free will.
hollow dock
Which is what ends up making hte council that just wants to die
In which, Voss is another example. She's drawnback to Sylvanas
rich ocean
oh yeah this fucking random bullshit in the warfronts "I mean Garona somewhat bragging of killing King LIane saying refering to Anduin perhaps it's time to kill a new king."
hollow dock
much like how the Deathknights of the Ebon Blade are drawn back to a certain dead king.
rich ocean
Garona has a line saying "its time to kill a new king"
hollow dock
yea the Garona stuff still isn't explained.
but everything else got explained so it's a slow process.
rich ocean
mint arch
blizzard don't care about character or past
its just those 5 minute meetings to think up text and push em out to build~
hollow dock
yea pretty much still not explained her sudden turn onto this
Personally I think its a front on Lillian and Garona's ends
to either keep Sylvanas in check or keep the horde in line
mint arch
das the hope for many
hollow dock
as that does line up with what the Uncrowned do
mint arch
the uncrowned get info about what sylvanas did in that meeting
rich ocean
Also great line about the burning of teldrassil, i love the sudtle jab at "If you can find a shadow, there is a massive fire going on, i bet you can see it in silithus"
mint arch
and send in these 2 to keep tabs or w/e
hollow dock
also fel on my agreeing and disagreeing
it's almost like I am a human who has certain likes dislikes and thoughts that are different to others
Odd thing tha tis
rich ocean
Yet your argument style changes completly, it is weird.
hollow dock
When Im against something, yes I'll show I am against it
when Im for something, I'll show my support
Very odd and strange I know
rich ocean
https://youtu.be/F4hKw9kgEt4?t=41m4s Also that time part
Turylon very heavily implies Xera was going to VERY BADLY hurt her
hollow dock
still onthis?
rich ocean
she is literally searching his mind and he is telling her to plase not hurt alleria
hollow dock
Do remember
rich ocean
Well you wanted it earlier
hollow dock
when she goes
rich ocean
im not going to ignore it i just needed to find it
hollow dock
Xe'ra imprisons
mint arch
do note, the light is completely opposite to the void
rich ocean
Think of what NOT being merciful would entail...
mint arch
so of course light beings would detest any void stuff
and think use of void is completely bad
its by nature
mint arch
she isnt THE light, she's a being of light
rich ocean
she represents it.
hollow dock
She gives her a choice even.
rich ocean
and she is not alone, we are on (2-3) .
mint arch
sure, many things can represent something and do bad stuff
wheat elm
Not only xe'ra by now
rich ocean
AFTER turylon convinces her through his devoutness to calm down and spare alleria
hollow dock
In which.
Xe'ra does not state
it's out of mercy
she did not even threaten Alleria
mint arch
but blizzard want to push the light as GREY since everything in the warcraft universe is now grey
hollow dock
She states outright that Alleria will remain imprisoned until she comes back to the Light
wheat elm
@mint arch we cant really take stuff for sure now since like u said blizz wants to make everything grey
hollow dock
That still isn't death. that's not even a threat of death.
hollow dock
Now whether or notshe did this because of Lorthraxion and Turalyon, is not stated.
rich ocean
"A great and TERRIBLE pressence" "Turylon felt HOLY WRATH around alleria" He then stands between Xera and alleria, both him and ultraxion defending alleria, and turylon begging... And xera decides to imprison her.
hollow dock
You can infer that.
mint arch
when we fight the void lords, illidan comes back with the soul of sargeras
hollow dock
Yes because Xe'ra
mint arch
wait for that
hollow dock
hates
void
she is a manifiestation of the light
Light cannot mix with Void it never wants to
sharp bluff
still talking how bad light is? or beta stuff?
rich ocean
Also imprisonment until you either die or become a slave and thats fine?
wheat elm
XD im expecting that too @mint arch
sharp bluff
meh ill come back later then
hollow dock
Fel is claiming that all Naaru hate the Shadows because Xe'ra and 1 other naaru hates it @sharp bluff
hollow dock
and is using Xe'ras actions to excuse the entire race of naaru
Despite only these 2(maybe 3 ) showing that.
rich ocean
Again, we havent heard from another naaru in over 3 expansions, and blizzard has drasticly changed their story since then.
wheat elm
I hope bfa gives us more info on elune
sharp bluff
^
rich ocean
last time we saw naaru illidan was a bad guy.
hollow dock
that solidifies the events of BC to be true canon
sharp bluff
Whatever Chronicles says is the truth
hollow dock
Which means
Chronicles states
A'dal thinks its OK
that is 1 naaru that thinks its OK.
There could bemore
rich ocean
Mind showing me?
hollow dock
there could be no less
Chronicles vol 2 and 3 stating the events of Outland
going over and not changing what happens in game
that is a clear indication that those events happened
and are solid firm canon
with no alterations to them
rich ocean
The thing is chronicles is not to literally go over what every single charecter thinks of every single thing.
hollow dock
It doesn't
rich ocean
It is to build a world, and clarify scenes and actions.
hollow dock
it goes over the majority
In which
as it DIDN'T change it
we can say that it's still canon
and it's still unchanged
fromwhat's in game
rich ocean
Blizzard is OBVIOUSLY writing a story, and trying to do "some sort" of sudtly
hollow dock
since the game is where it's drawing from conclusion
So with all this information
we can say that no. not all Naaru think like Xe'ra and the unnamed/unknown Naaru mentioned in the beta scenario
rich ocean
Again we know one of the 2 is Ka'ra
hollow dock
As again, they are not ahive mind of a cluster.
rich ocean
so Ka'ara, Xe'ra and possibly another unknown.
hollow dock
and Ka'ra isn't known in our timeline. These are AU Naaru.
mint arch
i have to say, why do ppl ignore that Xe'ra had been fighting the legion for a very long time and was focused on her war and army loosing
rich ocean
vris ka'ra is the Au naaru...
hollow dock
Because that's not a factor
Yes inded they are.
I even stated that.
Ka'ra is not noted within our timeline of normal Naaru
they are in the AU
rich ocean
... So why do you keep saying "Xera andf the unnamed/unknown"
when we know one of them, and that one is ka'ra
hollow dock
Because it is unknown whether or not it is Ka'ra or not
It's an assumption that it is and as I said
rich ocean
🤦
hollow dock
I don't make assumptions without the full story
Forall we know, Ka'ra could have been against it.
mint arch
man, the lack of face palm emotes on servers saddens me :<
rich ocean
yet even in this you make an assumption its NOT ka'ra.
hollow dock
and have been destroyed by Orcs either on purpose or accident
I'm not?I am stating unknown/unnamed Naaru
rich ocean
So your saying suddenly TWO random naaru show up.
hollow dock
that is what the beta text eludes to. that a naaru does show up. and now it's their naaru masters.
rich ocean
So let me get this straight.
hollow dock
Bottomline as I see to be losing you: Yes it could be Ka'ra that's apart of these Naaru. It could also be Ka'ra that isn't apart of these Naaru. We don't know. We aren't told. I am not making the assumption that it is or isn't.
rich ocean
I put a person in a room, i close the door, you then hear singing coming from the room... You are wrong to assume that the signing, is coming from that person? Because possible someone could have killed that person, gone in, and started singing?
rich ocean
So this whole tab is pointless because anything can be changed and nothing is 100% until it launches ,so why discuss anything?
hollow dock
Because we discuss voice lines, class alterations and discuss that.
hollow dock
that is still beta. the text in these datamines is not everything.
Because it's fun and eats up our time
rich ocean
Yet when its about the light its not?
hollow dock
I don't follow.
rich ocean
I am not suprised.
hollow dock
Ot
It's not what for the light?
A complete thing? yes we just said that. it's notcomplete
there isn't a full story and making assumptions isn't something we should do.
This is something I say for everything in datamined text
If you're implying that I pick and choose it, you're sorely mistaken
rich ocean
But voice lines are complete, even though they arnt.
rich ocean
But then we dont get the full story?
rich ocean
And therefore any discussion on them is useless because you cant make any theories because they are baseless.
hollow dock
or say rather
Oh you can make theories but they always end, at least for me, peach, quiet and such, in 'We will have to wait for the full story to come out'
But then again you're not stating a theory. You're stating a hard fact that this is the story that blizzard is peddling even though there's clear evidence against it
If this was a theory for you, I hadn't known it was.
rich ocean
So why dont you just not and let people enjoy themselves instead of trying to shut down their theroies because "Well its not final therefore its incorrect."
hollow dock
You can enjoy them
rich ocean
Like dont attack someone for wanting Voljin to come back to life as a trex loa in a theory that could happen but most defintly WONT?
hollow dock
but don't peddle them as fact
In which, you should never expect yourself to never get rebuttled on a theory
it's bound to happen in this channel
rich ocean
I literally never stated my trex theory as fact. And this light stuff is obvious the way blizzard is going, yeah it can change, but its allways going to go.
Oh no people can rebuttle but its the...
hollow dock
THat's yoru t-rex one. Which you're swapping to in an attempt to make me look like an ass
even though what we were discussing is your peddling of the 'all naaru hate void because light hates void' despite the evidence against you
Which now is suddenly a theory even though there's no indication of that
mint arch
"obvious" ... nah
rich ocean
Im swapping to it because it makes a point of how you lot dont want anyone to have fun, and unless it is YOUR theory, it is wrong.
hollow dock
That's very incorrect. Peach slanders my theories all the time because they can be wild and crazy
rich ocean
How does that disprove what i said, that only proves it more...
hollow dock
but when I bring em more down to earth, like the possibilities of why G'huun was made, it ends up to be more agreeable with everyone here.
Well you state I think any theory not my own is wrong
which isn't true at all.
rich ocean
So why do you think my theory could not happen EVER?
hollow dock
In which you also made it to 'our lot' even though 'our lot' disagrees withe ach others theories constnatly.
Because there's simply more evidence against it than for it.
rich ocean
I want to hear your thinking on this.
What evidance against it? there is not ANY evidance against it.
hollow dock
We went over all the evidence against it
that it's not something done on a whim. That it's not done on a like or dislike. It's a chosen thing that can support the loa.
Which is entirely based on the writers decisions
rich ocean
If you have a sample table that allows people to try 50$ chocolate and 5$ chocolate, and 20 people choose the 50$ chocolate, that does not mean therefore the 5$ chocolate does not exist, only that no one has picked it yet. Now if the 5$ chocolate when you tried to take it zapped you, then its not really an option.
hollow dock
Vol'jin doesn't represent or is represented by a tyrannosaur.
So why would he chose a tyrannosaur?
hollow dock
Because it's not represented of himself.
fossil rover
cause he has better options
rich ocean
What do you have to support that?
hollow dock
Maybe as a velociraptor
since Darkspear love their raptors
but as a tyrannasaur? that's more of a Zandalari thing
rich ocean
thats the point of the theory, if he had given me abit i literally say on my forum post i made about it, "Or other dinos, i just use the trex as an example cause come on its a trex"
Like it coudl be anything, i just think the idea of an animal or even better DINOSAUR leader. would be amazing
hollow dock
So why not just stop everyone yourself, say its a joke theory, and even note that I only chose t.rex because I think its cool?
rich ocean
it dsoes not need to be a trex, but it would be interesting to have an animal loa as a warchief.
rich ocean
Because 1. Come on... Its a fucking Trex i even said later https://i.imgur.com/OrKDd75.png
hollow dock
You said later. After we gave a huge 10 minute debate over why it's less likely
hollow dock
Nothing in there states its a joke
rich ocean
"as like a dinosaur, lets say a trex"
hollow dock
and then you state horde trex warchief and stick to it
never offering other changes to it
rich ocean
because its a good example a good stand point
read the last sentence, and you seriously are so void of humor you cant go "ok this is semi jokey"
tulip sun
It came off as jokish to me
fossil rover
same
tulip sun
I am simply stating that so FelPlague knows not everyone thought he was serious
rich ocean
As i LITERALLY said in my theory "Gets ressurected as like a dinosaur lets say a trex" means LITERALLY ANY DINOSAUR i did not say "Gets ressurected as a trex" i specificly chose to say "As like a dinosaur, lets say a trex" so others could come up with better examples like you said, a raptor
a raptor would be a much better fit!
but a raptor does not hit the clickbait titles of these days like a "T-REX WARCHEIF!" NOW DOES IT?
hollow dock
So then why stick to T-rex so feverously rather than re-iterate?
In which now I dont know if you're joking or not.
rich ocean
Because it is the original example i made.
thats because i dont think you quite get it.
hollow dock
if your intention, if Im reading right, isn't to specify a T-rex
rich ocean
me and im sure everyone else here even you understand this will never happen
hollow dock
then why just specify a t-rex?
rich ocean
However, me and some here and many on the forums think IF IT DID HAPPEN THAT WOULD BE AMAZING
tulip sun
He said t-rex as an example
rich ocean
Because IT WAS MY EXAMPLE
rich ocean
So im going to stick to my original example
hollow dock
but kept to it. If that was his original intention
tulip sun
I don't see the problem
hollow dock
why never change it
rich ocean
Because if i randomly change it you lot will get lost as you areright now
hollow dock
Im only lost because you're flipflopping your reasonings all over the place.
Rather than say "OK so maybe not a T-rex, what about a raptor or direhorn"
?
rich ocean
hey imagine i buy a pizza for 20$ so the guy gets here i pay him the 5$ and then i give him a 10% tip of 92cents, then he asks if i want change my for 100$ bill.
hollow dock
that's a clear indication that it ddn't have to be a T-rex. That's easy to follow.
tulip sun
FelPlague, just move on. Vris is just being a troll like always
mint arch
@tulip sun so how's life? anything new in the beta?
rich ocean
Because Peach was going on not speciflcy about "a trex" but "ANY BODY OTHER THEN THE ORIGNAL"
hollow dock
ah alright. makes sense.
rich ocean
I made an example, but said "hey any dinosaur will do" then he called me out so i stuck with my example to you know be a logical person when talking about something you dont just randomly change it, he NEVER said "Well why a trex"
If he had said as you did "A raptor i would get" i would have then said "yeah thats fine i did say "any dinosaur" so if we can agree on a raptor sure! that would be far better, but come on, what sounds more exciting a T-REX or a raptor?"
mint arch
lol
hollow dock
Both sides are lacking common sense it seems.
mint arch
i open up the question then
hollow dock
and a velociraptor to me sounds a lot more exciting than a Tyrannosaur.
rich ocean
Go ahead void.
mint arch
so how's life ppl? anyone new in beta uve seen? :D
rich ocean
Your bad at dinosaurs then vris.
tulip sun
The new chapters in the qar campaign are interesting @mint arch
rich ocean
trexes also work in packs are super fast and societies.
idk if they are intelligent though
hollow dock
I don't quite recall the Tyrannosaur being a pack animal
tulip sun
Intelligience doesnt matter
tulip sun
Nothing does tbh, this is wow
rich ocean
@hollow dock
hollow dock
we're not speaking of WoW Khamnin.
rich ocean
But Void i legit just noticed yesterday
that hand of guldan is 3 shards for 3 imps now
instead of 4 for 4 on the beta
tulip sun
Your talking which dino voljin would be
rich ocean
i was feeling so lucky
hollow dock
We have moved on from that Khamnin
We're now flatly just talking about my taste in dinosaurs
andalright Plague
that works for the Bataar
but we're not speaking ot the Bataar
we're speaking of the King Rex themselves.
Which aren't known to be pack animals.
:p
Again to my knowldege.
rich ocean
But yeah a raptor would fit voljin much better if you or him had said that at the start iwould have agreed but what grabs the eye more?
oR this
Ok maybe thats unfair that dog is pretty fucking cute
hollow dock
You are joking right now correct? Not any more of the serious discussion?
rich ocean
🤦
hollow dock
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61PAogrWswL._SX425_.jpg because this is what you want
rich ocean
Neither are correct to be honest, there is no fearthers.
karmic copper
Yes, worgen dinosaurs.
hollow dock
https://www.activewild.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Velociraptor.jpg this is what I want.
sharp bluff
no no no Vris
rich ocean
Come on everyone remembers that roar
sharp bluff
what we need is Rexy
hollow dock
https://res.cloudinary.com/dk-find-out/image/upload/q_80,w_1920,f_auto/Velociraptor_u4hjbq.jpg this too.
sharp bluff
speak of the devvilsuar
rich ocean
IM A MOTHER FUCKING TREX TREXXXXX-----
sharp bluff
That a Falcosaur Vris?
hollow dock
Well yea. Rexy from Jurassic Park is a phenominal specimen.
and no that is what the actual velociraptors are theorized to look like
Most, if not all, dinosaurs are supposed to be feathered. Not leathered skin
sharp bluff
I know, but dalcosaurs i think are supposed to look like those
hollow dock
Yup. the falcosaur and the new raptor models are to represent it
sharp bluff
rich ocean
But they have beaks...
karmic copper
Battle for Dinos
hollow dock
That's not even a dinosaur Zep
rich ocean
hollow dock
Still prefer the raptor species.
sharp bluff
lol well we are just throwing out dino pictures here, that is one that has feathers
and i know you meant more like
rich ocean
Actually i found the perfect species for voljin
hollow dock
Ugh hate that old spino depiction.
rich ocean
also his long ass fucking nose
hollow dock
We know
rich ocean
oh wwe know it wont zepllion
hollow dock
we're just joshing around now with my taste in smaller carnivores over the larger ones
sharp bluff
well, the new raptors do look amazing
rich ocean
Voljin horde warchief as a spinosaur...
sharp bluff
and we only really have littlefoot and rexy for big dinos, in game
hollow dock
Id perfer him to be a raptor. It fits more with his personality and a better representation of his people.
rich ocean
We havent seen a spinosaurus in game, so a raptor with that fan on its back in red to be his mohawk would be legit.
Blue raptor, big tusks, white scales on his face, big red fan on his head or his back.
hollow dock
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/c/ca/Gonk.png like Gonk, but in blue
undone sphinx
had gdruid been fixed?
wheat elm
Fixed in what sense?
undone sphinx
like made it viable sans artifact?
wheat elm
No new changes
undone sphinx
ah bugger
id you know like to have frenzied regeneration work again
and not have 45sec cd 😦
spring pumice
do you think we will be able to level up our alts in BfA prepatch like we did in WoD?
uncut vault
We’ll know if there’s a mechanic like that when it’s up on PTR, most likely
meager warren
that t-rex is coot
hollow dock
so aysa appears in Kul Tiras. Had a friend make this for her return.
uncut vault
that is amazing
hollow dock
you and I both know they don't ;3;
uncut jetty
I'm doing Island Expedition for the first time where it's guiding me through except at stage 5 it wants me to investigate the 3rd source of azerite but idk where to go since there's no map icon for it. Could anyone help?
uncut vault
iirc its the hozen
tawdry fulcrum
might be the wrong place to ask this
but does anyone know how to fix this
the text
uncut jetty
uncut vault
what did flynn say?
uncut jetty
I killed the crab and he said nothing helpful lol
ah hah! Got it!
well fork it - I died and released then through the ground I went
tropic trail
So... Ehm. If the artifact weapon dissapears. What happens to the 2000k + health it gave? Will that just be undone?
rich apex
It'll be replaced by a weapon of a higher ilvl
(and various actives and passives will probably be removed with 8.0 or switched off when you reach a certain point)
tropic trail
ah. So... Youll get that health back in different ways? Or will that just be reduced to what your weapons give you?
rich apex
It won't be any different than, say, losing your tier set from WoD going into Legion
clever ember
The stat squish is going to shrink your health pool anyway. As well as every single other stat you have.
west relic
@meager warren don't post random ASCII stuff for no reason
meager warren
why 
west relic
Because it doesn't belong here.
meager warren
ok
uncut vault
interesting, sethrak bow anims got updated recently, they got their own unique variants of the worgen female ones
also have a completely unique bow ready anim
crude void
OMGGGG i pay 500000M GOLD
hollow dock
and Anduin is in BFA
crude void
no
hollow dock
so yes it'll be in BFA
hollow dock
You asked if it'll be in BFA. It will be
crude void
but i think it weapon
olive mirage
i mean, whats gold cap on a character
crude void
i do with real money i do anything
dense plover
yeah its a new weapon model
crude void
9m
olive mirage
multiply that by 16
dense plover
for anduin
dense plover
because it doesnt have the split spirit inside anymore
hollow dock
it's never leaving anduin
dense plover
^
crude void
WE NEED KILL ANDUIN
dense plover
its his dads sword
crude void
and steal the weapon
hollow dock
Anduin wont die
dense plover
🙄
crude void
he will
hollow dock
he wont
crude void
we got to STORMWIND AS HORDE
hollow dock
I point to the legion comic. He's an old man there.
dense plover
he literally cant
crude void
AND KILl him and than go allaince
dense plover
he has to live to be an old man
crude void
and take sword
crude void
im am so sad i was like hyped it for able for us use it
IM GOING CRY AHHHHH
DREAM CRUSHED
meager warren
oi, leave my bb Anduin alone
crude void
STUPID BLIZZARD
GOT ADD THIS :()(oSOSE
e
not fair they should make more for us warriors
:((((((((((((((((
😭
crude void
well im going kms it all ruined
dense plover
but its spamming the channel
hollow dock
please dont make that joke
crude void
im not jk i was so hype as i thought it was in bfa and player can use it
im not going kms but i was not jk i thought going be in game
for us players
all hopes are ruined ty blizzard
dense plover
i dont know why you thought that
we literally knew from the start
like all the cutscenes and stuff he has shalamayne
crude void
well i was looking online to see if they were going add for us but guess it wrong
dense plover
even in the fancy trailer cinematic
crude void
ik
but still i can hope
but nvm now
It is at this monent i knew i beep up
😭
Well ah well back to live since it ruind i hate bfa now got live it out before bfa comes
tropic trail
You know what I'd like to see?
Class hall tabards
So like an Uncrowned Tabard for rogues
deft escarp
Cool
but probably too late
and I think the Knights of the Silver Hand tabard is already a thing
deft escarp
Blizzard might've planned for that
a HD Illidari tabard was data mined during the Legion beta
tropic trail
I'd love a tabard with the black harvest symbol on it
tropic trail
would also look great with the class hall sets
wild pewter
Same. I'd love tabards to remember the class halls by.
hollow dock
Ebon Blade tabard exists too
cinder knoll
thats from WOTLK
hollow dock
Still an Ebon Blade Tabard. Order hasnt changed
cinder knoll
ye, I thought you take it as a hint for other tabards
drowsy wolf
Anyone else here didn't get to do the Alliance Warfront last week despite waiting for is since Alpha B/C Blizz had no word about it, or just me?
mortal pewter
i didn't get to do the alliance warfront either, i think i was away when it was supposed to happen
lone fern
blizz announced it a few days prior
fossil rover
people in trade said that some characters bugged and didnt get acess (might have been expeditions)
tulip sun
-waits for the horde part 6-
sullen dagger
dafuq
hollow dock
Its from warfronts the ending of it if you win as alliance
so its not canon how it goes
drifting current
Oh phew, because Liadrin is awesome and just randomly killing her off (along with other big lore characters I’m sure) would be dumb af
hollow dock
Im certain she kills Turalyon if horde wins it
hollow dock
then go play horde
drifting current
I do
hollow dock
then great you'll end up killing him
drifting current
I still want the vindication of killing him myself
limber mural
Oh god no. I hate non canon stuff that should be canon
means no-one knows where they stand
'sorry is x dead? I've honestly forgotten since I've killed them 10 times but she's here now'
drifting current
I think that in order to keep things fair I get Turalyon
limber mural
Honestly they could only pull this off is by making Warfronts a permanent consequence
Say the Alliance won more of a warfront than the horde over the expac
hollow dock
So liadrin just gets axed off in the middle of no where
limber mural
Make their events canon
hollow dock
I only said the endings arent canon Brass
limber mural
Yes, I know
hollow dock
where either Turalyon or Liadrin dies
limber mural
I'm theorising
limber mural
But if Blizz did it like at the end of BfA, counting up which faction won more warfronts
and then made that canon
idk
I'd be interested to see the horde side of it though
'hi turalyon I literally have no moral standing for this but we won so yeah stab'
hollow dock
What will most likely end up happening is one side pushes the other out
the leader escapes
¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber mural
mhm
like that I'd be happy to see
make stromgarde a thing again maybe
My mom's main complaint for all of the alliance stuff in contested areas is 'why is it all under construction' so maybe actually take some ground for once
undone sphinx
are they reworking gdruid in bfa to actualy work?
rich apex
Belated but I was told that Turaloyn/Liadrin bit is fake
Saw it posted on some discord channel weeks ago
undone sphinx
lol tbh bliz should just put shakespear in for bfa dialog when they are dealing with datascraping
ANA
That which hath made them drunk hath made me bold.
What hath quenched them hath given me fire.
Hark! Peace! It was the owl that shrieked, the fatal bellman,
Which gives the stern’st good-night. He is about it.
The doors are open, and the surfeited grooms
Do mock their charge with snores. I have drugged their possets,
That death and nature do contend about them,
Whether they live or die.
Jana
The alcohol that got the servants drunk has made me bold. The same liquor that quenched their thirst has fired me up. Listen! Quiet! That was the owl that shrieked, with a scary “good night” like the bells they ring before they execute people. THRALL must be killing the king right now. The doors to Duncan’s chamber are open, and the drunk servants make a mockery of their jobs by snoring instead of protecting the king. I put so many drugs in their drinks that you can’t tell if they’re alive or dead.
THRALL
(within) Who’s there? What, ho!
THRALL
throw that in and watch dataminers and wowhead get confused 😃
or some 50shades of grey for anduin 😃
mint arch
i mean, canon wise
Turalyon can never die
he's our number 1 silver fox
with dat sweet sweet model n armor
rich apex
Truth
tropic trail
hi, does anyone know what happens if you become an 'assassin' in wpvp? Can the other faction see you on the map?
tropic trail
😦
hollow dock
think of it like becoming a "WANTED!:" quest
tropic trail
do you know if other players get a reward for killing the wanted player?
tropic trail
neat, thanks
hollow dock
Why do you all assume Dreven is the only san'layn?
you do realize that there are more in the horde than just him right?
lilac berry
@hollow dock Since every race needs a Leader, and Dreven was the only leader we yet knew.
I do not suspect blizzard to just put another San'layn to be a race leader.
rich apex
I mean Draven is the main named San'layn
sharp bluff
Didn’t stop them from killing Voljiin, still a slim chance
rich apex
Anything's possible, of course
sharp bluff
Who leads Darkspear now? Couldn’t tell you
tropic trail
Well, at least Rokhan get's some characterization in BfA
lilac berry
Little problem,
If they wanted to add San'layn they would have showed it ... Further.
mint arch
didnt u see that high res rock compared to all the other rocks around it
lilac berry
It is sad that we won't have Undead Elves as a Race would have been interesting..
mint arch
allied race rock confirmed