its not
#beta-ptr-spoilers
mint arch
but to say its somehow evil?
tyrande saved the world many times
night elves sacrificed ALOT to save the resst
drifting current
If Elunes light is so wise, why doesn’t it do anything decent
steel venture
If you're going to bring up war crimes, at least use ones that're actually canon instead of your fanon mate. @terse patrol
terse patrol
“It was later revealed that Alpha Prime had infiltrated Gilneas using tunnels hidden underneath the Greymane Wall. His purpose was to get the Scythe of Elune, which he planned to use to free the rest of the worgen banished in the Emerald Dream. With the Scythe of Elune bolstering his army's ranks, he planned to later attack Darnassus and exact revenge on Malfurion Stormrage. To these ends, he allied himself with the Forsaken and used the worgen attack on Gilneas City to weaken the nation's defenses for the Forsaken invasion.”
Come again?
still lily
I think when Tyrande's racism hinders the plot from a more grand perspective is when she can be considered evil
But that rarely happens
mint arch
indeed, it rarely happens
drifting current
The Night Elves has help from the TAUREN during the war of the ancients
mint arch
she distrusts other races is more how it is
drifting current
And I don’t see them being prejudice
mint arch
and again, with reason
slate ingot
distrusting other races doesn't equate to being racist really
terse patrol
Sylvanas is the reason the Gilneans are cursed.
drifting current
Aside from the Night Elves during Warcraft 2 that is
still lily
Tauren are cool boys
drifting current
Literal savages
steel venture
Theeee fuck?
I have Curse of the Worgen, I don't remember any scene like that. There's no citation for it on Wowpedia either.
mint arch
tauren are good cows.... stuck some reason helping sylvanas -_-
still lily
Anyone who hates Tauren is actually a villain
They were stuck in the Horde because they made a promise to support Thrall and the orcs
Because they saved tribes and drove off the centaurs
mint arch
indeed
terse patrol
@steel venture It’s from the comic.
mint arch
not saying anything about tauren and horde
they should be horde
its the sylvanas horde than is -_-
terse patrol
The comic is canon.
still lily
But now with Sylvanas as the leader it's difficult imagining why they're still under the Horde's banner
steel venture
Yeah, I'm going to poke through Curse of the Worgen right now.
still lily
Because without an orc warchief they have no real reason to stay
drifting current
The Sylvanas horde was thrown together during the Legion invasion
drifting current
She’s been at war pretty much the whole time of her rule
terse patrol
@steel venture Read Wolf Cult
slate ingot
you meanArgual? and Ur?
strange falcon
dont take my tauren 😦
still lily
No they can still be Horde
But they can also be alliance
cause
neutral
o3o
like pandas
I want that
That's what i want
Have highmountain as the Tauren replacement then make Tauren a neutral race
strange falcon
inb4 every race is neutral,and you just choose light and void in next expac
terse patrol
The Forsaken were also helping Alpha Prime look for the Scythe of Elune.
strange falcon
pogchamp
steel venture
No citation, no issue number. SMH.
Gonna double check if it's there and if it is, adding the citation because Wowpedia can be sloppy on those.
@terse patrol And they're not labeled by sub-title. It's Issue #1 through #5.
So you're gonna have to give me a bit.
mint arch
id actually want blizzard to get creative and move past the whole alliance/horde shit
god, order halls being thrown away
-_-
slate ingot
they werent helping alpha prime tho
Though the Forsaken discovered the whereabouts of the scythe, unbeknown to Alpha Prime, their machinations were foiled by the worgen player when the scythe was retaken and returned to priestess Belysra.[6] Believing that the Gilneans and priestess Belysra's night elves no longer wielded the scythe, Alpha Prime led the Wolf Cult to attack Belysra's forces at Tal'doren. To his surprise, Belysra unveiled the Scythe of Elune and tried to use the scythe to banish Alpha Prime's worgen back to the Emerald Dream. Before Belysra could complete the spell, she was stopped by a Forsaken dark ranger. Alpha Prime then led the Wolf Cult to attack Belysra for the scythe, but was ripped to shreds by a spirit wolf who turned out to be the ghost of Arvell.[7] Alpha prime had no clue the forsaken discovered the scythes location
terse patrol
Doesnt change that the two were allied, at the start.
still lily
@mint arch same but it's a conflict they really want to be present <w<
slate ingot
they werent allied at the start?
terse patrol
It was later revealed that Alpha Prime had infiltrated Gilneas using tunnels hidden underneath the Greymane Wall. His purpose was to get the Scythe of Elune, which he planned to use to free the rest of the worgen banished in the Emerald Dream. With the Scythe of Elune bolstering his army's ranks, he planned to later attack Darnassus and exact revenge on Malfurion Stormrage. To these ends, he allied himself with the Forsaken and used the worgen attack on Gilneas City to weaken the nation's defenses for the Forsaken invasion.
“He allied himself with the Forsaken”
I know it’s hard to imagine that Sylvanas is a horrible person.
slate ingot
Ten thousand years years later, Archmage Arugal under the orders of Genn Greymane summoned the "wolf-men" from the Emerald Dream to Azeroth, Alpha Prime being among them, to fight the approaching Scourge.[4] In Gilneas he recruited Arugal and used him to spread the worgen curse to the humans of Silverpine Forest.[5] Eventually he started a Wolf Cult, whose code he wrote down int the Purity of Essence, in Gilneas that was meant to spread the curse and made his followers murder innocent people as an initiation rite (these murders were known as the Starlight Slasher murders). The cult's goals were to locate the Scythe of Elune. he was originally summoned by argul and genn greymane
and thats how theyre writing the horde in general not just sylvanas, but Genn gave the order for Arugal to summon the "wolf-men" which included alpha prime
terse patrol
doesn’t change that my lore is correct.
slate ingot
your point being? its genns fault that the curse even happened
terse patrol
Its Sylvanas’ fault it spread outside Silverpine.
slate ingot
not really it all links back to genn you can turn it into a sylvanas bashing all you want
sullen dagger
GENN IS A GOOD BOY
slate ingot
but if Genn didnt give the order, there would be no curse spreading ipso facto making worgen less common
still lily
tfw you're so fat you use bread as a napkin to clean up grease then eat the bread
end my life
So uh when are we gonna talk about how Jaina is gonna kill Sylvanas
tbh
slate ingot
wont happen, itll be nathanos probably
harsh canyon
Dear Blizzard
Make Dog treats work on Genn
slate ingot
it'll almost be for certain Jaina or a proudmoore will kill Nathanos
if not Jaina Katherine
sullen dagger
i'll bet on jaina there
slate ingot
well, considering the dialogue from Nathanos points to him having a conflict with Katherine after he moves to Tiragarde
my money is on Katherine, but Jaina is a strong possibility
terse patrol
horde players scream when nathanos dies despite him being an antagonistic asshole
slate ingot
he litterally was a punching bag in vanilla
still lily
Who's a good boy
slate ingot
and nobody knew a thing about Nathanos for years when EPL was reworked and removed him
slate ingot
i'm all for killing Nathanos, granted he gave an apple that turned you into a scarlet crusade member
meager warren
Not Genn.
mint arch
👍
still lily
Legit I'd be mega mad if any major faction leader became super immortal out of nowhere
harsh canyon
goes to collect and set up her Boss Mida posters
meager warren
Sylvanas is already super immortal. Wat
harsh canyon
She make more somehow
still lily
Like there's at least 5 more thingies
mint arch
mmm, what the end of BFA should be, is that all of sylvana's thingies are killed
and she's left with none and no longer warchief
still lily
yes it makes her go into hiding
since she'll be on her last legs
THat actually sounds like a reasonable compromise o3o
still lily
well she'd need to have some left alive so the forsaken can still be playable
But like
mint arch
then she dies to a void tentacle so the fanbois get happy
still lily
Yeah that sounds reasonable
mint arch
and boom, story done
still lily
Know who a real bad boy is?
meager warren
But even without them, she's not gonna age or even rot at all. She is effectively immortal in regards to age.
steel venture
@terse patrol Curse of the Worgen Issue #5
The Wolf Cult working with the Forsaken is Halford Ramsey's theory as the "pieces come together" but there is no direct offical confirmation during the series, and it takes until the fifth issue to come to this conclusion. The reader, like Halford---is left with a compelling theory that is not confirmed nor denied.
Found it after digging through the comic, happens as he's calmed down in worgen form due to being beneath Tal'doren and about to undertake the rituals to be able to utilize human form.
steel venture
Hell, there's not even any mention of Sylvanas speaking with Alpha Prime, period.
vale idol
don't shit on his circlejerk
steel venture
This is why I don't just use Wowpedia.
If I have the actual source material I'ma look through it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
frigid umbra
Evil? I dont think so... strict, sure.
rich garnet
Derek Proudmoores body in the hands of Nathanos! 😱
😱 😱 😱
Sylvanas is Lawful Evil. Hands down.
harsh canyon
New Admiral for Horde
steel venture
Earlier in the series there was a strange, unknown mud to Halford on Alpha Prime, hinting that he may've gone further north.
But we are never told who he had spoken to. It is compelling evidence he may have speaken with Forsaken generals and navy members that it eventually reached her.
But he likely would've been unable to directly speak to her.
The whole point of the "mystery" in Curse of the Worgen is so people draw their own conclusions on what triggered both the Forsaken and Worgen to attack, whilst only really detailing Alpha Prime's actions and then allowing you to infer what else might've been going on.
As Halford is.
But god forbid a compelling story that doesn't lay everything out for you is presented in the Warcraft universe. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Just don't let someone else's theory that Alpha Prime "TOTALLY MUST HAVE SPOKEN DIRECTLY TO SYLVANAS!!" cloud your own view of the comic, you can share the belief but it isn't confirmed in it.
Or it ends up the new "All druids slept for years, so night elves must've had no men anywhere for years." .... Despite the fact that's a heavily debunked myth about the race.
rich garnet
That comic sounds really interesting, @steel venture .
harsh canyon
Put the men back in the dream
steel venture
To be perfectly fair there's no reason that elves in general wouldn't have a substantial LGBT+ population.
They live for thousands of years and rarely breed anyway.
That's a LOT of time to figure out what you identify as.
harsh canyon
True, But I liked the concept of militaristic females and druidly caring males
steel venture
Still canon, technically. But it's just not the entire population.
harsh canyon
Like, its a good reverse where the men would be the ones in the homes
steel venture
There's the occassional male soldier, guardsmen or millita man, they're just not Sentinels.
harsh canyon
Its what is good about Night Elves
Blood Elves is more the melded gender roles of society
steel venture
And we know that there were occasionally male priests / seers. Delas's relative is one prior to becoming an .. undead ... ghost ... paladin. okay.
coughs
He's the only named one gimme a break.
But there's general people in any society and night elves seem very matrilineal at least
I wouldn't say overly matiarchal, just that a bit more importance is placed on women but isn't absolute.
harsh canyon
Its weird since if you look at humanity, we are attempting to go from a dimorphich society to one where there are either too many differences or ever6one is the same or both
harsh canyon
Night Elvea went from a melded society to a dimorphic one
still lily
rawr
harsh canyon
Human society is fucked in what it wants these days
So lets drop that
dense plover
New build today. Blue post was made about it
Deploy hasn’t started yet
At the very least, expect the new artifact UI
Azerite UI
dense plover
Pretty much
harsh canyon
Why did it correct tomato to toyota?
dense plover
Other new UI bits might include maps for zanchul and dazar alor. Island expedition UI, warfront queue UI, and a fix to the boralus city map
harsh canyon
Anywhere where it makes logical sense
still lily
Silithus or whatever. The wound of the world
harsh canyon
I would do somewhere Northrend
still lily
o3o
harsh canyon
Grizz hills or Borean Tundra
still lily
That's where Azerite was first found right?
It would only make sense to have a warfront there
still lily
Actually
harsh canyon
Map*
still lily
I want the wound of the world to become a big WPvP zone
And like
Have resource points to hold onto
So you can get gear or ore
or azerite
or something
I feel like that would make quite a few people happy
To have World pvp zones become a more relevant thing again
idk
That's what I'd do to the wound of the world though
Make it a warfront, a BG, or a world PvP zone
harsh canyon
Yeah, Could do more with that but it seems Horde prevented that by burning the tree
wild pewter
Beta servers are down
still lily
Wait how does burning the tree defeat the validity of a BG at the wound of the world?
ruby star
nice, Can't wait for my Mind Flayer allied race to be datamined
(kidding btw before I get mowed down 😛 )
split valley
ruby star
What do you guys predict will be in thsi build:? (apart from Alliance warfronts because they already said that_)
split valley
scroll up
dense plover
Other new UI bits might include maps for zanchul and dazar alor. Island expedition UI, warfront queue UI, and a fix to the boralus city map
ruby star
Sorry, I wasn't here when you said
dense plover
This is based on the manifest file from Tuesday’s mistake build
Though implementation might not be in, we should at least be able to datamine the files
ruby star
Oooh nice
ruby star
Cool, sounds cool then! thanks for telling me
sour burrow
Sounds good. Wonder if that means stuff like Captain Eudora, Vulpera Kids, Alpacas, and Vulpera StealthRun will be in as well. Could be the big art-asset build if all of the various UI elements are going to be added.
Btw, Beta realms are DOWN.
dense plover
vulpera kids are already in
alpacas should be in
they removed the temp tag last build but didnt add the new model
they might have this time
sour burrow
Vulpera Kids aren't actually in. There's models, but they feel temporary. Apart from not seeming to have any sounds hooked (mistfox sounds), they are lacking tails which was a mid-process design change.
As far as Task 102347 goes, tell Wowhead to update their beta database then. XD
steel venture
I have to assume this is the "big build" they were talking about.
sour burrow
Until they have sounds and sound-hooks, there's a potential for art assets to change. That's why I say Captain Eudora is still likely to get an update, as she doesn't have her sounds hooked up yet. Then again, if what you're saying about the Alpacas is true and they were changed from Task 102347, then with signs Wowhead's NPC database is lagging behind, it could be that Eudora got her sounds hooked after all. I just don't expect them to leave her tailless.
steel venture
So it should be a near-finalized asset implementation.
I wouldn't be surprised if they leave her tailless though. She's the pirate vulpera right?
So, could just say that she got her tail cut off in battle at sea.
as a character quirk to distinguish her more from the vol'dun vulpera.
dense plover
i mean
i dont think they are going to change vulpera kid models to add tails
they dont have enough of a role to bother with that
sour burrow
It's a drastically lower quality model, and she's literally the only thing aside from the vulpera kids to lack tails.
sour burrow
I know they don't. Eudora does have sounds.
dense plover
oofc its lower quality
its 1/8th the size
small models in wow always have lower quality
sour burrow
Uhh.
sour burrow
I mean literally every other Vulpera uses the player quality texture. She still has painted eyeballs and no tail.
dense plover
its why you can get 60fps on a craptop with decent settings
sour burrow
It would be poor form to leave them tailless with the emphasis that there is on tails.
dense plover
lol
steel venture
Eudora's apart of a boss fight, and she still posseses the alpha Vulpera model, is what I believe Tobias means.
dense plover
have you played through voldun?
theres two quests where you see them
you dont even notice
steel venture
The old, more cata-quest quality vulpera model.
sour burrow
Right, Nile.
steel venture
Versus the new HD textured one.
dense plover
im talking about the kids
and i dont know what boss that is?
the pirate one in freehold?
sour burrow
The kids are present in the cave afterwards, and it's likely that if Vulpera are planned to be continued down the line, the model will get more use.
sour burrow
http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=137139/vulpera-kid Mistfox sounds. The model overall is fine, but it needs changed to have an actual tail.
dense plover
it doesnt
sour burrow
It does.
dense plover
and the sounds are placeholder
lots of placeholder sounds are still in beta
its one of those things that doesnt change until a much later pass
and it doesnt
its tiny
you cant even see its face
steel venture
It doesn't need an animated tail unlike the adults.
steel venture
Even pandaren cubs still have tails.
sour burrow
http://bfa.wowhead.com/npc=129431/captain-eudora#sounds Captain Eudora
dense plover
also they have a little tail nub
sour burrow
Animals don't grow tails halfway through life.
steel venture
which they could give vulpera a small tail nub
like how actual fox kits have tiny tails
to match their tiny bodies
or literally any young animal ever
sour burrow
Non-dummy files, fully implemented combat sounds for Captain Eudora. Not hooked up according to Wowhead.
dense plover
lots of times files are in game and arent implemented
sour burrow
dense plover
thats a fox
these are fox people
you are saying they dont have a tail
they do
you just dont like it
sour burrow
You're just being a troll at this point, lol.
sour burrow
Yep.
rich garnet
The semantics of this conversation is baffling.
sour burrow
Or at least someone with horribly low standards for game design.
sour burrow
Give countless proofs of why it's possible and he says "NOPE NEVER!" and blocks out logic.
dense plover
they have other priorities right now
i never said that
ive said they already have tails
which they do
im not saying i like them
i never said that
sour burrow
You are not acknowledging my viewpoint. They have alpha-vulpera tails, not V2 vulpera tails.
And there's a ton of emphasis on that tail throughout their limited culture.
rich garnet
And yes, name-calling only hurts your own argument, @sour burrow
sour burrow
I'll call a moron a moron when they're being a moron. :) He's focusing on shortcutting over quality, and clearly doesn't even understand what my emphasis is.
dense plover
i fully understand your point
sour burrow
Having followed Vulpera since day one, Vulpera Kid is still referencing their original V1 alpha models.
dense plover
but you saying they dont have a tail is wrong
they do
it doesnt match the current ones
but they do have one
im not focusing on shortcutting
sour burrow
The original vulpera 'had a tail' too. Guess what? They changed them.
steel venture
The only issue I see is that it's still short.
All it needs is to be lengthened very slightly and it'd be accurate to a baby fennec fox.
dense plover
i think they have higher priorities right now
there are still lots of missing models
missing sounds
holes in the world
sour burrow
YOU think that, because you're imposing priorities in the first place, which is dumb. Tasks are tasks are tasks.
dense plover
broken quests
missing reputations
non-functional main features
progression issues with azerite gear
steel venture
It's a two-second fix.
sour burrow
I'm not imposing priorities, I'm stating it's something that is still missing, whether they get to it or not. They're making a brand new race and quality is important.
dense plover
all of which are way higher priorities than a fox tail
sour burrow
That's, again, your opinion.
sour burrow
Different departments have different priorities.
dense plover
also for whatever reason i cant get this boss fox model to load
sour burrow
I'm not stating shit for priorities, only that it's an asset that is missing or incomplete.
steel venture
It's primarily an art-build I would assume so if they do fix it it'll be fixed this time around.
dense plover
i wouldnt say it is missing or incomplete, i would say outdated
sour burrow
Valid.
dense plover
similar to how nazmir was designed more closely to legion zones
and needs 3x more flight points
it has 4
4 fp compared to voldun, the next least which has at least 10
sour burrow
But updating Captain Eudora is also an important task for the exact same reason. They recently fully removed the creature model for the Alpha V1 vulpera.
sour burrow
No, she used her own.
dense plover
well, they are currently going through the original alpha content for a quality pass
hence why freehold got a nice map
and has actually seen added touchups to the area
and why drustvar has finally seen tweaks
we can expect the same for most of the early alpha content
vulpera kids might be included
steel venture
er
dense plover
its pretty early to worry either way
steel venture
i got her to ... "load"
dense plover
yeah
thats what im saying
i would worry when its like mid july
if stuff isnt mostly working by then
thats when you freak out
sour burrow
I admit there's a LOT they are still missing, but content complete is still a long ways from happening even if they get the scenarios and other stuff in. "Wrapping up content" is really vague and may not apply to things like we're talking about.
steel venture
The creature model being removed deleted her base model. The bullets were attached to her skeleton to make sure they didn't really freak out.
sour burrow
Creature Model V1 vulpera has nothing to do with Eudora aside from her using it as a portion of her base.
steel venture
Huh.
Well, it doesn't seem to be even bothering to load for Wowhead, so they might've bungled up something.
sour burrow
That's her 'base' model, lol.
sour burrow
What's happening is it's only loading "Main" geoset 0, not 1/2/3 from Facial3.
dense plover
early content is just now getting a quality pass
steel venture
Them low textures ...
sour burrow
As you can see, Facial3 #1 is her actual skin. :P
steel venture
This is the main reason I feel like Sethrak will be tweaked sometime in the upcoming months as well.
Their textures aren't bad but they're not BFA / Legion quality.
dense plover
theyve been tweaked pretty recently
sour burrow
Yeah, it looks awful compared to the newer Vulpera. And VulperaChild.m2 is from around the same development period. It could be considered a placeholder model that was based off of something else and done 'quick' to get something there.
dense plover
and they actually look pretty great in game
the model viewer misses a lot of stuff that the ingame renders add
sour burrow
They do look good in game. Very expressive for as few bones in the face as they have.
Understandable.
dense plover
vulpera child might get tweaked
steel venture
Did they add a sheen or something to them? Their scales seemed very lackluster still.
Like, a snakeskin texture kind of begs a bit of an actual sheen. I can understand not having one on naga. But for the new cobras, sethrak, and new wind serpents they look horribly dull without one.
sour burrow
But srsly, do you get my point a little better? It's a matter of it being placeholder type content to the same extent as Vulpera, y'know? It's got a strong chance of getting a change, especially if they're trying hard to establish a certain lore for them. I'm not saying that it'll definitely happen, but I feel like they'd be remiss to not retouch Eudora and VKid.
dense plover
they do shine in game
eudora is more likely than the kids tbh
bosses usually get better models
steel venture
yeah since she's apart of a boss encounter
dense plover
yeah they look the same
sour burrow
Very easily convertable to NPC provided they add some NPC creature armor to them.
No, they don't XD
dense plover
no i mean the base shape
dense plover
there is no gender shape difference
sour burrow
I mean, Vulpera M and F is the same shape and animations too.
dense plover
lots of sethrakk are female but thats only obvious from vo
dense plover
females have chests
sour burrow
No no no, shhhh, listen.
There's actual model proportion differences. Chest, hips, arms.
dense plover
on the snakes?
sour burrow
It's not in-your-face like mammal boobs, but there are differences. There's also eyelashes there, and the horns could be a female specific trait.
Yeah.
We've done direct model comparisons over in the Vulpera Hype Discord.
dense plover
i dont think thats always true for sethrakk
sour burrow
Sethraliss is the light orange, a standard sethrak is the dark orange:
https://i.imgur.com/XJsNrXW.png
Reversed colors here but same concept:
https://i.imgur.com/NLzQgBA.jpg
dense plover
there are guards in the temple with literally the same models that have different vo
sour burrow
Sethraliss is the only female atm.
That's what I was saying
It CAN be converted for the NPCs.
dense plover
but there are other female sethrakk
sour burrow
But the NPCs need creature armor for females.
No, there are sethrak with female voices assigned.
dense plover
i think they are supposed to look the same
sour burrow
I think otherwise going by the changes made for Sethraliss that aren't related to her Loa nature.
dense plover
like regular snakes
tropic trail
hey, what about a race with no genders? Wouldn't that be a nice change of pace? Or at least without gender based dimorphism?
sour burrow
My point is that they DID add dimorphism with the only important female sethrak.
dense plover
both of those have no sexual dimorphism outside of the snake loa
sour burrow
They even added underwear for some reason. :P
Because it's not implemented...???
Which is my point...???
steel venture
A race with minimal differences between the genders outside of colors would be actually nice.
sour burrow
Aye.
sour burrow
Tortollan feel like a lower class of NPC, like Arrakoa.
steel venture
Female sethrak perhaps being more reddish like Sethraliss would be a nice touch.
sour burrow
They also don't have an important NPC that's clearly meant to be female like Sethraliss.
dense plover
they are cool
i hope they add more tortollan vo though
its a bit repetitie currently
sour burrow
Which is, again, my point. This is something that puts Sethrak closer to a playable position, is the existence of a female model even if it hasn't been implemented for the generic NPCs.
sour burrow
Sethraliss was finished a little ways into beta, even though she uses the same animations as the male sethrak.
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
steel venture
Tortollans are fine, but I doubt they're playable canidates.
Vulpera / Sethrak fit a theme better to be released at once if at all.
sour burrow
From there, once they finalize her, they'd still have to create NPC armor items for the female side, limiting the speed of their inclusion. It's still something that's possible.
steel venture
.. The shell kind of kills tortollan being playable, in short.
It'd look worse than trying to put pants on a naga.
sour burrow
Yup! That's the theory, nile.
dense plover
btw, i think we missed this
it has vo for zalazane
the golems in zandalar
and a few otjher sethrakk and other npcs
including grand mada ateena
some of these lines were already in
but i think they were touched up last build
sour burrow
Another fun theory is how Vulpera is a visual offset for Horde, but yet personality is similar to what is normally Horde, plus they have personality traits similar to Goblins.
And then we have Sethrak who are a visual offset for Alliance, but have a personality similar to what's normally Alliance with a strong sense of pride and unity. Plus their culture feels like it has some parallels with the Worgen/Gilneans in terms of being a little on the regal side in spite of being bestial.
I was keeping track of all of the sound additions but I didn't do it last week. Maybe I have time to do that now so that I can get a better measure of what's added this build...
steel venture
Another point for Sethrak would be that their actual culture isn't the warmongering conquerors that the Faithless are, and that's where their noble, grounded pride comes from. Their worship of Sethraliss.
Since the Faithless abandon her and ally with the old god forces.
sour burrow
It just feels like a good 'pairing' to the vulpera, assuming they are going that route later on. Regardless of personal hopes, it makes logical sense.
uncut vault
I mean, Peach, they do look different, they just don’t have huge animation and skeleton differences. Which wouldn’t be a first for playable races
steel venture
Outside of DID / Mag'har, the other prospective BFA races seem to be more slanted to be BFA-related, so it's unlikely we'll get any new "random" ones.
sour burrow
@ Port, Vulpera are literally a copy of the skeleton between male and female, just with small model tweaks, so Sethrak doing the same makes perfect sense to me, lol.
steel venture
Er, well.
Vulpera are the male and female goblin skeletons respectively.
Sethrak need some minor tweaks to make the male and female differences more notable, including animations.
Since they're a brand new skeleton, I'd assume borrow more female worgen / pandaren anims for Sethrak women and they'll be good.
sour burrow
Nile, actually not anymore. The original ones are, but the animations are the same between the male and female, so the new skeleton (the bones) is pretty much the same between them. The difference is in the model's shape.
uncut vault
Fully unique animations are not a requirement for playability
Gnomes share all combat anims between genders
sour burrow
Sethrak are indeed a new model, maybe borrowing parts in places for help in building the initial animations but overall they appear to be unique.
steel venture
Tobias. Male and female Vulpera still utilize the male or female goblin talk/question/exclaim and the gender-specific standing + combat anims.
The only things homoginized are the newer BFA-specific animations for them.
sour burrow
Name a specific animation that's different between male and female: http://bfa.wowhead.com/dressing-room#REzz0zJ8z9q87T
(Bladeguard Kaja had all her sounds added during the last week.)
And yeah, see? They're the same since the tails were added properly.
steel venture
... Huh.
sour burrow
:)
steel venture
You know what's funny?
They actually used all female goblin animations now, nixed out the male goblin animations.
Or, well. It's slightly spliced.
I see one or two male goblin animations for both genders, but its majorily female goblin animations.
sour burrow
Derivatives perhaps, plus some original stuff. It ends up looking just fine for the foxes, I think.
steel venture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcvdoqCi1GM
ReadyCastDirected is from female goblins. But ChannelCastDirected / SpellCastDirected is actaully from male goblins.
Ah--- Bleh. It's one of the new homoginized male-caster anims actually. Oop. For the later two.
It's a lot of splicing going on with them.
still lily
I dislike Vulpera proportions
They're so gross
Their anatomy is actually disgusting
sour burrow
I would have preferred non-goblin arms, but they look okay in-motion / in-game.
I like them infinitely more than their V1 models, for sure.
steel venture
If they apply running wild animations to Vulpera I can understand why the arm length is like that.
still lily
They better o3o
sour burrow
*Has made it to G on his sound file documentation* Bleh, tedious, haha.
meager warren
slate ingot
Any word on new build notes yet
sour burrow
Nada.
Which is scary in a way. :P
Up to K for creature sounds, yey.
Avatar of Sethraliss - 1-22, +Combat
Bladeguard Kaja - 1-59
Bladeguard Tarkaj - 1-10
Brann Bronzebeard - (New) 56-59
Brother Pike - Dummy 175-214
Brother Therold - 3-40
Captain Delaryn Summermoon - Dummy 31-81
Captain Roderick Brewston - 27-42
Eitrigg - 7
Flynn Fairwind - Dummy 252-299, +Combat
Frostfencer Seraphi - +Combat
Fungarian - +Combat
Genn Greymane - Dummy 31-58
Grant Mada Ateena - 1-38, (New) 39-40
Gunnolf the Ferocious - +Combat
Harlan Sweete - +Combat
High Commander Halford Wyrmbane - 80-115, +Combat
High Overlord Saurfang - Dummy 52-70
Inquisitor Joan Cleardawn - 1-56, 58-67, 72-89, 106-117, (New) 118-119, Dummy 120-121
Inquisitor Mace - +Combat
Inquisitor Yorrik - +Combat```(That's stuff from the last build, btw.)
uncut vault
obviously not an actual update but
still sticking with the vague "not in 8.0" thing, and it still is in their minds
slate ingot
Odds are its going to be in a content patch
They just don't know when more than likely but I thought they also used different rigs and goblin shared the gnome one but I could be wrong
uncut vault
goblins and gnomes dont share any anims, aside from the legion ones that every model can now share
im still betting that theyre basically finished with goblins
because vulpera use an assortment of similar, but higher quality versions of theirs
dense plover
Goblins are easier to update
They are a smaller model
There’s less to actually model
Not to mention they don’t have wonky animation stuff like worgens
Worgens probably need model and animation updates
slate ingot
If they do finish the updates odds are they may stagger the release as well
And finish one before the other
sour burrow
Whee, up to "O" for this stuff. :P
King Rastakhan - +Combat
Kiro - Dummy 78-79
Lady Jaina Proudmore - Dummy 56-69
Lady Liadrin - Dummy 41
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner - Dummy 178-187
Lord Aldrius Norwington - 1-9, 11-12, 14, 16-17, 19-33, 35-39
Lord Stormsong - 1-41, +Combat
Lucille Waycrest - Dummy 153-156
Magni Bronzebeard - Dummy 40-49
Malfurion Stormrage - 1-3, 14-18, 20, 22-40, Dummy 41, (New) 42, +BS 2
Master Mathias Shaw - Dummy 16-18
Moria Thaurissan - 5-41, +BS 3
Nathanos Brightcaller - 1-3, 72-93, 103-112, 119-148, 151-182```@sour burrow What do the numbers mean?
sour burrow
Battle Shout
Not sure what EXACTLY those particular sounds usually entail, corresponding to the game itself, but a lot of older NPCs are getting 'just that' for +Combat.
So maybe spell-related shouts.
still lily
ooo
sour burrow
U-Z remaining. :O Shocked that the next beta build isn't up yet. We only have an hour until testing with-the-blues.
wild pewter
Isn't the warfront thing meant to be up in under an hour too? EDIT: Scratch that, just read above. XD
sour burrow
:P
Renzik the Shive - Dummy 3-10
Rexxar - 1-34, +BS 3
Rezan - (New) 22
Rokhan - Dummy 154-155
Rosaline Madison - Dummy 23
Taelia - 19-24, 72-77, 113-121, 126-130, 139-175, 184, 195-199, 209-218, 229-235, Dummy 252-301
Tandred Proudmore - 1-7, +Combat
Toki - 7-17, 22-59
Tyrande Whisperwind - 1-4, 10-25, 29-32
(New) Ulfar - Dummy 1-10
Undead Drust - Dummy 24-36
Undead Drust Monster - Dummy 1-2
Venrik - 1-11, (New) 12-13
Vorrik - 1, 8, 10, 14-23, 51-57, 64-74, 88-91, +Combat
Warchief Voljin - 1-6
Warguard Rakera - (New) 39-40
Warren Ashton - 33-43
Zalazane - 1-9, +Combat
Zul the Prophet - (New) 103-106```Yay, all done.
Now I can accurately state which sound files get updated for this particular upcoming build. :)
Wherever the hell it is, haha.
quick heart
updates pushed 3.6gb
oak wraith
I seem to have a patchy thing
ionic terrace
blizz why no login screen 
sour burrow
XD -- 1.35 gb
ionic terrace
uncut vault
praying for character copy
ruby star
8.0 Islands - Micro - Mogu Crypt
wild pewter
My client isn't updating!
oak wraith
Did you try to trigger it manually?
uncut vault
looks like anduin's speech to saurfang is getting tweaked
wild pewter
Loading screens!!!
drifting current
Ooh I like that
sour burrow
Lady Waycrest, was it..?
sour burrow
yay for maps. x.x confusing place, lol
meager warren
@terse patrol do you still have that pic of Alliance Saurfang?
ruby star
dense plover
that map is sexy
rich apex
Ragnaros re-returning confirmed
meager warren
Wait till he re-re-re-returns
meager warren
Is it just me or does that alpaca look high af
dense plover
SO FLUFFY
demonic core is buffed to also gain stacks from implosion
demo warlock so good
demonic calling nerfed, but its a buff for the portal talent
sharp bluff
CAN WE TAME THE FLUFFY
dense plover
instead of being free, they cost 1 shard
definitely
Doom Talent is so much better
Inflicts impending doom upon the target, causing (250% of Spell power) Shadow damage after 30 sec.
If Doom kills the target, there is a 5% chance to summon a Doomguard to fight for you for 25 sec.
Generates 1 Soul Shard when dealing damage.
5% chance for 25 sec doomguard
thats awesome
wild pewter
Servers up?
dense plover
grimoire demons are now 0 soul shards
dense plover
fun azerite trait
NEW Supreme Commander When your Demonic Tyrant expires, consume its life essence, granting you a stack of Demonic Core and increasing your Intellect by 208 for 15 sec.
Fury warrior 100% more fun
no more based on crit%
its now a flat percent
and the amount of rage generated has been balanced out across various abilities to make them more usefl
dense plover
honestly an improvement over the preview we got
lone fern
i just got a 3.5 gb patch
jade basalt
It's basically the same UI as was shown at Blizzcon
jade basalt
The one previously used during alpha was just a placeholder
meager warren
That's a different one
oak wraith
It's his twin brother?
jade basalt
That's not Shanox
meager warren
Not syannox
slate ingot
Looks a lot like shannox
uncut vault
its shannox with a color swap
jade basalt
Shannox was red skinned
meager warren
You mean it looks better?
oak wraith
Ah well, have to miss out. Past midnight here and I got work tomorrow 😄
slate ingot
Wonder who he is then or what he's used for
lone fern
also lol, im not eligible for another gdpr data request from blizz for a MONTH, suckers
dense plover
its probably related to reclaiming blackrock depths
slate ingot
Ah true, and that took them forever
ruby star
meager warren
Shannox is hawt
dense plover
nice
wild pewter
Thank God portals
uncut vault
@dense plover looks like theyre listening to that feedback
my non-azerite helm got removed from my inventory
lone fern
wait so servers are actually up? they re shown as Offline to me
wild pewter
Saurfang and Sylv too
lone fern
no realms are currently available 😭
uncut vault
yeah they just went down
uncut vault
jaina sounds so tired
sudden oak
everyone would be tired if they had to go through all the bs she had to deal with tbh
wild pewter
Saurfang doesn't sound very orc-like
dense plover
its more like he just has more range with his voice
he doesnt always sound like yelling
which is what he used to sound like
uncut vault
like the VA has trouble keeping ther orcish growl
dense plover
yeah
but i dont think they need that growl all the time
like its being used here as emotional emphasis
which i think allows more tone through the voice
uncut vault
theyre not bad, theyre very good in fact
dense plover
its just a big shift
uncut vault
just startling after hearing that growl in the feast cinematic
dense plover
yeah
its a big shift
also he has a decent amount of vo
so clearly he is coming back to the horde at some point
awww damn
we are still missing some genn vo
viscid zinc
prot palas are already declaring the changes a rather large nerf...
dense plover
lol
number tweaking hasnt even happened
and its so much better
they can finally move without being completely fucked
harsh canyon
Posting a selfie Peach?
dense plover
From Jaina "Of course I got my sheep staff, who do you think coined the term woolomancer?"
harsh canyon
:V
dense plover
shakes head in disappointment
lone fern
.
hollow dock
Good! they kept tha tline from datamining
lone fern
is it just me or is the channel having issues
dense plover
discord is having problems
lone fern
ah. becuase partially i have unread messages from you folks whilst im getting booted
all my other discords work fine actually for me
harsh canyon
Yeah, Also. I gotta wonder if Blackrock Foundry is still used or if for like 30 years it sat dorment.
hollow dock
We destroyed the foundry I thought
hollow dock
that's the whole point of us going there.
harsh canyon
Well, I mean
Destroyed the staff and brought production to a halt
But we didn't topple the mountain
dense plover
but they probably figured something out
its still a big foundry
and they made those new railways somehow
hollow dock
it's a huge foundry but we destroyed the mining system, the beast that did most of the mining, wiped out its workers, snuffed the fires that helped product.
harsh canyon
Makes you wonder about what purpose the old raids have been left with and what ones are just empty barren halls of creatures now
sharp bluff
all those saurfang lines are from prepatch? and a few from the jail scenario?
hollow dock
We know most of them are like that Zyl.
sharp bluff
sounded like them marching on the tree, and BFL
hollow dock
Except like. LBRS
sharp bluff
and the jail
hollow dock
which is just filled with black dragon refugees
harsh canyon
I don't think refugees unless something new
dense plover
calls for full completion of part 1 of the war campaign
full exploration of both continents
hollow dock
You do that anyways tho
harsh canyon
I think it is like 'Mutations'
dense plover
and full story completion of your faction continent
hollow dock
No but it gives ya access to it so explorations not tha tmuch of a pain
not like it was in WoD when you had very little to no ways into SMV/FFR
easily that is
dense plover
corrupted jade serpent was changed to one of those mogu stone hounds
harsh canyon
Also, Where is my mount version?
wild pewter
Servers up for anyone else? Still down for me.
harsh canyon
I like that we get the hound
dense plover
theyre having issues
oooo
the honor means nothing to a corpse saurfang line
its not sarcastic
its very much - you shouldnt go get yourself killed
uncut vault
Were people expecting it to be?
only one I thought to be snarky was the one about dranosh
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
everyone thinks sylvanas wants saurfang to kill himself
which is stupid
he is being dumb in her opinion
she wants him alive
harsh canyon
I mean, You lose Saurfang and you kinda lose the orcs
uncut vault
RIP katherine?
harsh canyon
Can we RIP Gallywix please?
sharp bluff
so the Nightborne open the portal to AU Dreanor?
dense plover
they help
with bronze dragons i think
unlocks for allied races are just exalted with your war campaign faction and completion of war campaign
so it can be done with the launch patch
will take time though
it seems that - from sylvanas's vo, she will be with us on zandalar since she talks about the war table with missions
a nice change since she kind of disappears after the siege
lone fern
servers up now?
dense plover
probably no
uncut vault
yeah anduin appears too a few times
at the beginning and end
its a nice touch compared to legion
dense plover
yeah well this seems like sylvanas is appearing during the war campaign stuff
uncut vault
where aside from their respective stories they were just
lone fern
what time is it locally at server destination if anyone knows?
uncut vault
not there
harsh canyon
So.... Year of Thralls death?
dense plover
what?
no
he just isnt going to show up
he doesnt need to die
he has a family
just let him be
harsh canyon
Nothing goes my way
Thrall doesn't die
Gallywix doesn't die
No Ogres in Orgrimmar
lone fern
why would he die, now especially?
dense plover
orgrimmar isnt named after ogres
lone fern
would be just as random as killing off khadgar now
dense plover
its orcish
dense plover
so from the sylvanas vo
it seems like they wanted to capture the tree, not burn it
and something went wrong
hollow dock
which line peach?
dense plover
she says something along the lines of we were supposed to stop the war before it began
hollow dock
Wher ein the video
dense plover
but that follows a lione about capturing the alliance stronghold
within the last 6 min i think?
its worth listning to the whole thing
hollow dock
and burning the tree still accomplishes that first line.
dense plover
yeah but it makes it sound like it was supposed to be captured
worn quarry
after the battle is done she specifically uses the word "destroy"
dense plover
because then she says things didnt go as planned
it was not supposed to end like this
worn quarry
what didn't go as planned was that they were supposed to kill tyrande and malfurion, but saurfang spared them
dense plover
she doesnt say destroy in reference to the tree
worn quarry
it was datamined the other week
dense plover
she says in reference to the hope of the kaldorei and one of their greatest champions
worn quarry
unless they changed it
terse patrol
"saurfang spared them"
uncut vault
To unlock Dark Iron Dwarves, players must achieve Exalted with the 7th Legion and complete the Alliance War Campaign to earn the achievement Ready for War.
To unlock Mag'har Orcs, players must achieve Exalted with The Honorbound and complete the Horde War Campaign to earn the achievement Ready for War.
terse patrol
i thought they said they werent locking them behind rep
uncut vault
it doesnt make sense either
because the zuldazar alliance stuff involves freed dark irons
and we do it before we free them?
hollow dock
Alright so what went wrong in the plan was Saurfangsparing Tyrande andMalfurion
I just got to the part you're talkin peach
harsh canyon
Dark Iron have been free since Cata for the most part
uncut vault
not the ones we work with in zuldazar
the Anvil-Thane leads the ones that didnt join Moira in cata
hollow dock
The will of the Kaldorei will soon crumble
that sure sounds like she's planning on destroying the tree.
harsh canyon
They got a bunch of trees
hollow dock
The world tree
dapper cosmos
Anyone else having trouble with Beta where it says the realms are down?
harsh canyon
hides the tinderbox
dapper cosmos
On top of the one that just got downloaded?
Cause I see people streaming Warfronts right now lol
lone fern
its going off and on for me constantly, and kicks me right off when i try to login
terse patrol
@hollow dock saurfangs voice changed 😦
uncut vault
servers are up for me
dapper cosmos
👌
worn quarry
there's a line in sylvanas' new voice acting mentions "that ship must have come from Darnassus...which means...I must have a (crow?) to hunt."
lone fern
oh, a city map for dazar alor
hollow dock
they wanted to capture an alliance stronghold
but want to shatter the Kaldorei's will
🤔
worn quarry
I mean once you decide to attack Teldrassil you have to kill their morale
I still hate how the Horde attacks first but w/e, it's better than trying to destroy it
hollow dock
andjus ttaking over the tree is enough to shatter the will of the kaldorei?
worn quarry
it's warcraft, people are overdramatic :P
hollow dock
that doesn't seem right to me
because
Nordrassil was burned partially
and it just made the night elves fight harder
tropic trail
Well, maybe the idea is to take the population of Darnassus hostage or somethng?
hollow dock
But with that logic, the alliance gets to darnassus first and telelports out most of the civilians. But at that point
the tree is already burning. after the horde won.
Again there's nothing saying that anyone BUT sylvanas would order this ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic trail
Maybe the alliance deides to burn it themselves like Sylvie does with UC?
lone fern
who of the alliance would be willing to do that, especially which night elf would consent?
id assume tyrande and thats it
tropic trail
Shaw would do it, probably, if he think's it's necessary. But he hasn't command
I mean he get's some lines about "oding what needs to be done" later in the expac
lone fern
that princess mononoke tribute though..
uncut vault
totally not in the alliance
totally not specifically picked out to be the mage oriented race
lone fern
lets see if ppl still complain about her after this
tropic trail
A question: what’s happening after all gear traits (tier 1,2,3,4) on streite gear is unlocked? What’s the azerite progression after that?
gray ocean
There isn't
lone fern
the neck increases by +2 or +4 itemlevel per level
gray ocean
oh damn
lone fern
next raid tier will have higher base requirements just like heroics need 11 or 12 as 1st requirement etc
tropic trail
So after 3 months in expansion all we do is increasing the ilevel?
lone fern
better gear will have higher requirements
tropic trail
So do i have to unlock every trait on every peace of gear seperately with azerite?
dense plover
its a thing you constantly build up
dense plover
and each trait level requirement gets higher as gear gets better
only 3 pieces of gear
helm, shoulders, chest
hollow dock
RIP jade serpent mount
lone fern
thats a regular heroic chest now
hollow dock
NEW Swift Albino Raptor
The Witherbark warrior Beastrider Kama once cut bloody swathes of terror across the Arathi Highlands astride such a monster.
Drop: Beastrider Kama
Zone: Arathi Highlands
A good
dense plover
old model
hollow dock
a GOOD alliance raptor
dense plover
but new mount
gray ocean
Are realms up?
tropic trail
so I Level my necklace to let’s say level 25. then I am able to to activate every trait on every new item I got instantly?
hollow dock
excited
dense plover
no
lone fern
with itemlevel 321, im azerite lvl 10. 12 is still at least 10 hrs away
dense plover
realms are dead
uncut vault
the arathi mounts definitely seem like theyre for open world stuff
dense plover
yeah azerite level rate hasnt been balanced at all
uncut vault
also it takes a few tries to get in
dense plover
its broken af
gray ocean
Yeah just got in
tropic trail
so I Level my necklace to let’s say level 25. then I am able to to activate every trait on every new item I got instantly?:)
dense plover
assuming it requires 25 or less, yes
dense plover
right now the level required for gear, and the rate at which you level azerite is broken af
gray ocean
Can I copy my game stuff from Live? I've seen some ppl with the mount from heartstone etc
gray ocean
How do ppl have mounts from Heartstone xD
dense plover
people who had previous beta access sometimes have pieces from previous betas
gray ocean
oh I see
tropic trail
Okay cool, thx guys 😃 and after reaching let’s say level 30 I don’t unlock any new things it’s just ilevel then and better gear can be unlocked instantly
gray ocean
yeah since it's a different server
dense plover
yeah
the necklae doesnt have anything on it
its just ilvl
its the armor that matters
and again, the level rate for azerite cant possibly be final
tropic trail
Any statement on drop rates of azerite gear? Will it drop like legendaries?
hollow dock
drops like normal gear iirc
dense plover
no
its normal gear
it replaces all chest, shoulder, and helm drops
it cant warforge or titanforge
lone fern
*from now on, apparently, there were non azerite items too for these slots but they appear to be removed
hollow dock
I see. that makes the grind a lot better.
tropic trail
Oh ok.. so completing emissary quests won’t have that “oh a legendary could be inside“ kind of feeling anymore?:-(
dense plover
no