Less is more.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
fierce crane
dusky ginkgo
No it's not
still lily
It is on Moonguard
dusky ginkgo
Given that it's morning for me right now, you can probably deduce that I'm not on a US server. :p
fierce crane
Bur Pornshire is a thing on every region right?
still lily
It's morning in US too o3o
I think, idk
I forgot where I live
Haven't gone outside in a year
dusky ginkgo
Alas, Pornishire is a thing in every region.
still lily
brb
dusky ginkgo
Maybe not for the German? I'm not sure, would need to ask
still lily
gonna take a step or two outside
still lily
okay it's dark out
and I can't see a road sign or anything
hmm
really though I only used to ever leave the house to go to tournaments and then I lost the ability to travel so I mostly stayed indoors. I haven't left the house in around a month at this point
sullen dagger
as a new class, some kind of spellblade would be awesome
a mail mele hibrid, maybe void themed?
dusky ginkgo
Void themed damages, Arcane themed tank, and... Another Arcane themed damages? With the double blade of the spellblades, and a shield.
But that would be a really elfy class, so not now just after the DH
still lily
That kinda already is a class in lore
spellbreaker I think?
in WC3
An arcane tank basically
and yeah it is a High elf class
I think they were dismantled after Kael'Thas?
idk tho
still lily
@sullen dagger Enhancement is mail o3o
sullen dagger
yeah, that's a lame ass melee
terse plank
I wanna see a non-magic engineer class that doesn't worship any deity or wild god or titan for once
still lily
We were talking about that in #retail-wow
About the possibility of a hybrid 3 spec class revolving around engineering possibly being a hero class
limber mural
and I said it wouldn't be a hero class
tranquil steeple
Revolving around a profession... ehh..
limber mural
cause it doesn't like, override race and story like DK and DH do
terse plank
nah hero classes are something more along the lines of... well, having been already been a hero, I guess if that makes sense
limber mural
then why do engineering anywhere else
it'd be hard work differing it from engineering
still lily
@tranquil steeple
limber mural
yet still be worth the time
limber mural
which are barely worth the time
still lily
Classes used to have class professions you know
terse plank
I mean we manage to somehow differentiate enchanting from mages 🤔
still lily
Rogues used to have to craft poisons
sullen dagger
i think that's too much like gw2's engenieer
terse plank
and a warrior isn't like their warrior?
still lily
O
tranquil steeple
Well, still, I don't think Blizz is gonna make a class, much less a hero class with Engineering as the theme for it.
still lily
Yeah but ya know what
Fek Blizzard, lets do a hostile take over of their HQ with nothing but puppies
tranquil steeple
I think my girlfriend would be there to see it happen just for the puppies... to be honest.
terse plank
Engineering + Alchemy + First Aid...
I dunno, a ranged DPS + Tank mech suit + medic healer with potions and support seems pretty plausible to me
still lily
Not healer o3o
Healing is mostly magical in WoW so making a down to earth healing class would be kinda
lame
terse plank
alchemy is a means of emulating magic via the elemental components of the world gathered physically
still lily
I mean who knows they might shoot giant syringes of health juice at their allies and deal a tiny bit of initial damage for heavy Heal over time effects
tranquil steeple
Kinda reverse of Shadow Mend for priests
deft escarp
still lily
Or like the Imp spell that let them heal their master
terse plank
Also let's not forget
a large part of why the Iron Horde was a threat in WoD was because of engineering.
A literal
industrial revolution
still lily
Yeah
deft escarp
Yea I think Tinker would be a great addition to the game
still lily
They had giant galleons and dreadnaughts that could kill entire armies
Mag'har Tinker when
terse plank
that's why I was kind of disappointed to see the next class be demon hunter when the build up in the previous expansion could have been to an engineer of all races being born
still lily
I mean to be fair the end of WoD was also building up to another burning legion invasion
o3o
With Gul'Dan ya know, existing
dusky ginkgo
('bout the Spellbreakers, if I remember correctly, they have started to teach that again since... MoP? To verify, I don't have the info under the nose right now)
still lily
Although to be fair the Gul'Dan storyline kinda took a backseat in comparison to the Iron horde storylines
terse plank
Spellbreakers have been around but few in numbers, but yes they have been re-trained since MoP
still lily
Yeah they are still being made but I think they have a different commander/trainer
limber mural
he kinda just like, slid in
split valley
a puppy takeover of Blizzard HQ wouldn't really work as many of those employed there take their doggos to work anyway
terse plank
I dunno the population of them though, kind of hard to say with anything anymore given we got demon hunters and void elves (but not high elves and now that made me angery remembering that heck)
limber mural
All I want is an actual spellbreaker for transmog
terse plank
Nightborne actually are VERY close to a spellbreaker transmog for their heritage armor
they lack the weapons however
ivory palm
No beta update today ? 🤔
hollow dock
The day has just started wat
ivory palm
It's usually on Tuesday no ?
sharp bluff
Today is Wednesday, but yes usually Tuesday
mortal pewter
i would test island expeditions if i could actually get it done -_-
split valley
Looking at the average times and days builds have come out it's usually 12pm - 3pm Pacific time (roughly)
it's only 5.27a Pacific time ATM so they have a few hours yet
oak wraith
Yeah, they are probably not up and running yet 😋
hollow dock
Oh alright! News for all: the +15 apperance and achievement will be attainable in BFA and so will also be attainable. Now it's only the mage tower that won't be earnable, if you haven't at least completed the quest yet
sharp bluff
good thing the only mage tower appearance I care about is guardian druid then
shouldn't take long to finish that up
lavish pawn
bear is EZ MODE
hollow dock
I only really care for the DH one and all my DK ones. To prove I can play DK.
jade basalt
I only miss the Healer ones.
The Healer challenge is torture.
Though I only tried on Hpal.
lavish pawn
Healing tower sucks in general
sharp bluff
I tried the DK ones, but man that imp challenge sucked
I sorta want them, but at the same time
I know I won't get a new race to use them with
jade basalt
If you get a higher ilvl, > 930, they usually become really, really easy, especially the Agatha one. Hell I had never touched Unholy dk or Eleshaman since like Wrath, she got utterly rekt. I didn't even have time to finish my rotations before she teleported away, and I forgot to used important spells and CDs that are supposed to be part of it (like the elemental blast thingy on shamy).
hollow dock
I got my agatha one at 901 ilvl.
It was hell. Especially on an Old PC that had a lag spike everytime a boulder alnded
landed*
halcyon mist
steel venture
i already got the only appearances i like, actually cared about from mage tower tbh
werebear / sparklecat
i'm good.
split valley
its a bare bear!
dusky ginkgo
Just need to do lot of Tower /o/
I really want the druid restauration one. By the way Lexaeus, any chance you would have played some years ago on french rp server?
lavish pawn
gonna do my hpal.. tanking dh.. and demo lock then i quit the tower
Nope. @Inay#6714
dusky ginkgo
Ah welp. You have exactly the same name as someone I knew a few years back. Didn't knew if it was a reference to something or what
lavish pawn
it's a Kingdom Hearts character.
dusky ginkgo
Ah damn. No chance to ever find that pal again I guess. Thank you nonetheless!
lavish pawn
Mhm
hollow dock
Henlo Inay!
limber mural
Oh neat +15 in bfa
phew
Only a few mage towers I have left to do
Frankly I don't know why the mage tower isn't permanently up now
deft escarp
So you will stay subscribed
sullen dagger
as we all
deft escarp
If it wasn't for the mage tower downtime I would've probably unsubbed by now and waited for BFA's release
sullen dagger
hm, i'm using this time to level up the allied races
i've got one to lvl 86 already, so i think i might be able to do the mage challange with her
still lily
Makes sense
mortal pewter
probably a dumb question, can we still get the heritage armor for the first 4 alliance races after BfA launch?
hollow dock
Yes and yes :p
tranquil steeple
As long as you level from 20 to cap without being given levels from RaF, or boost, yeah.
mortal pewter
i unlocked them all as normal and i've been a player since Vanilla so no RaF ties. and i used my boost on my BE huntress so no ties to the boost
heavy cairn
you'll be able to get heritage armor for all allied races for the forseeable future
it's not meant to be an exclusive thing, just an incentive to try out the "revamped" 7.3.5 levelling experience
mortal pewter
the stat squish is going to hurt, will feel like Vanilla again and it sucked as a ret pally
hollow dock
I mean
numbers=/= mechanics
the game feels more or less the same, slightly slower with the GCD changes.
mortal pewter
i am a beta tester too, i've noticed
still lily
@mortal pewter In beta do you import your characters or can you make new max level toons?
hollow dock
not able to import yet, you have to level up and for raid testing, you get scaled up IIRC
mortal pewter
i started with a 110 character, i didn't do a character copy because i don't know how
still lily
Oh
That's illogical?
Wait
But you get boosted to the level range right?
Or do you have to level all the way to the 110-120 range
or 115
idk
What's the new max?
mortal pewter
well i'm not sure i'll put a copy of my pally main in beta, the talents alone are messed up so i wouldn't be able to use my current setup
new max is 120
hollow dock
120 is the max.You get a character at max or at 110 and you level up
still lily
Ya know given the breadth of the expansion having two entirely separate leveling experiencesw
I was expecting 115
tbh
hollow dock
I can only assume you didn't watch the blizzcon reveal then O.o
hollow dock
Well a good thing to always look up for is the gameplay trailer for the expac. It gives ya a run down of everything at launch.
still lily
Your hat is inferior to mine
still lily
Wait do Alliance and Horde have separate dungeons too?
hollow dock
I don't know actually. I don't believe they do.
mortal pewter
i don't think they do either, haven't tested that yet
hollow dock
I hope they won't. That'd be silly for them to have separate dungeons only now.
still lily
Ya know what I find kinda silly about allied races tho
Lightforged feel super irrelevant post-legion
imo
Not to say I dislike Lightforged
But it feels like they don't have a direct purpose to exist anymore
still lily
I mean DH will always stay relevant due to the fact that their current allegiance isn't with the Lich king or even associated with the Scourge anymore
hollow dock
Like The Ebon Blade was only made to fight the Lich King. Afterwords, it's to fight the scourge.
DHs are made to fight the Legion, now its to defend Azeroth from stragglers.
Lightforged were made to serve the Light and fight the legion. Now they defend the Alliance and rejoin their kin.
still lily
DKs however are still associated with a faction that's still around
Wait the Illidari is still around right?
drifting current
Kinda
still lily
Yeah they aren't an entirely dismantled faction yet like the Army of the light and the Scourge
o3o
hollow dock
Army of Light isn't dismantled either?
still lily
Might as well be
hollow dock
It still exists.
drifting current
Yes as in there’s demon hunters who follow the will of Illidan, no as in they’re task is pretty much done and the organisation has no reason to exist
Much like the Army of the Light
hollow dock
Again that's not really true?
Otherwise the Ebon Blade would have stopped exisitng
a looooooooooooong time ago
drifting current
Well, both factions were set up to end the burning crusade
still lily
Scourge isn't around anymore right?
hollow dock
It is
still lily
whaaat
still lily
Nonononon I mean the specific Scourge
hollow dock
Just like demons
still lily
Not the Forsaken or anyone else
drifting current
The Ebon Blade was more set up as a means for the DKs to find a place in society
hollow dock
That is very false
still lily
I thought the Scourge as a faction was defeated in Wrath?
hollow dock
the Ebon Blade was set up specifically to go kill Arthas and bring about an end to teh Scourge
turns out
you can't really do that second bit
still lily
Well fek
hollow dock
Ebon Blades been around ever since
drifting current
Actually it’s not, they defeating the scourge was their whole aim BUT, it wasn’t their total reason for being
hollow dock
Yes it was.
the very first sentence to creating the Ebon Blade is
"Even though our kind has no place in your world, we will strive to bring about an end to the Lich King. Thus is the knights of the ebon blade"
Darion admits deathknights have 0 place within the realm of the living
they admit it and know they shouldn't exist
but they have to to fight the Scourge
vale idol
re dungeons: they (or at least most of them) are supposed to be faction locked till 120
still lily
Oh
I hope they get unlocked account wide once you reach 120 tbh
To make leveling alts easier
vale idol
eh. there is no point tbh, some of the dungeons in legion are 110 only, that's basically the same thing
hollow dock
Anyways, on the topic of the Illidari and the Army. Like the Ebon Blade, they won't disband because their enemy is done with.
still lily
Man it kinda sucks Suramar dungeons are heroic instances. I really want to do them while leveling post-legion <w<
hollow dock
Because in truth
still lily
Arcway is fun
hollow dock
the Demons aren't gone.
the Legion that directs them is, but demons still exist and there's still a nearly endless supply of them
Just like with the Scourge, just because there is no Arthas doesn't mean the undead stop existing. The threat remains
So too does the organization
hollow dock
Nope. the Scourge are all the undead under the Lich king.
Which is all undead except for undead controlled directly by the Legion, which are hardly used now, and the Forsaken
hollow dock
The Scourge are still there in Icecrown. Bolvar is still active as the Lich King
still lily
Here I was thinking the Forsaken was the largest undead faction <w<
hollow dock
He is what aids Fire Mages in getting Felo'melorn and Deathknights in Aquiring their artifacts.
the scourge is more or less contained within 2 places: Scholomance and Icecrown. Only because of Bolvar do they remain there.
hollow dock
you can't prove me wrong
still lily
Yes I can
Proof there was an edit
and given context
And timestamps
IT means I was right
mortal pewter
ok ladies you're both pretty
still lily
I am prettier <w<
sullen dagger
pwettier
hollow dock
I am far more gorgeous fyi tyvm
mortal pewter
_sighs_
sharp bluff
Honk o.O I never knew you had a beard
ionic terrace
uncut vault
Oh they changed that? Thank god, made no sense
jade basalt
Now if only they had made it so you only needed to do each challenge once, instead of doing 36 challenges and 4-7 times the same one. Too late for me anyway.
uncut vault
I mean that’s defeats the point of the challenge
It’s about knowing your class, not just knowing the challenge
dense plover
^
dusky ginkgo
@hollow dock Hi Vris!
mortal pewter
i still can't complete the ret mage tower challenge, closest i came was 50%
tropic trail
I can only get to 20% on the destro challenge because I'm a filthy casual
dense plover
its so much going on
raiding is so much easier than that mage challenge
at least normal raiding is
tropic trail
timed content is awesome, if you're able to do it, otherwise it's just stressful as you scramble to throw yourself against it again and again hoping you can manage to finish it before it goes away
hollow dock
The challenge tower is more akin to the feeling of heroic raiding or soloing a current content boss tbh
@dusky ginkgo Henlo!
dapper cosmos
Tank challenge is more of a DPS race than it is an actual test of your skills as a tank.
quartz mango
i always get fucked near the end of Kruul by not paying attention to knockoffs, and that's being a Demon Hunter ;-;
dapper cosmos
you have wings though?
quartz mango
if im too far off it doesnt matter
and leap wont work bc pathing
havent tried in a few Towers though, maybe being 949 will let me faceroll
dapper cosmos
honestly the key to beating it on Dh is just to be super aggressive. You can deal with getting 7 or 8 stacks of the debuff during the 1st phase because of Meta.
quartz mango
good to know, thanks
heavy cairn
"The challenge tower is more akin to the feeling of heroic raiding or soloing a current content boss tbh"
yea I agree, it felt like trying to solo a mythic dungeon
the number of mechanics you have to keep track of makes it feel to me like I'm managing multiple players' worth of stuff
still lily
Will we be able to get the paragon of argus achievement post-legion?
hollow dock
@still lily As a rule of thumb: If the content isn't being removed, you can get it post-expac
still lily
Cause the one that gets you hero of pandaria isn't available
so I was wondering if this one was going to also be non-existent
hollow dock
You can get hero of pandaria achieve what.
hollow dock
OH you mean tied to the Legendary Questline?
that was removed? :p
I refer to my previous statement
dense plover
well thats because the legendary questline was removed
the only thing removed in BfA is the mage tower appearance
get that now and you can even get the alt appearances later
hollow dock
Yup and even if you're ever worried about things getting removed, Don't worry to much! Blizzard announces it months, even years at times, in advanced of when things are getting removed
heavy cairn
so the list of removed legion things is, what:
- mage tower
- "the chosen" (said to be most likely removed, but not confirmed 100%; but it's pretty obvious that it's the sort of achieve to be removed)
- first aid
- probably all achievements for profession levels above whatever you can get in bfa
anything else?
uncut vault
profession achieves are being reworked, not removed
dense plover
^
uncut vault
instead of "reach x level" its "reach 100 skill in x xpac's skill"
hollow dock
Oh so like a reverse of what they did with Ulduar's achieves?
heavy cairn
so you think it's going to be like a "profession level squish"?
dense plover
the chosen is not confirmed as being removed fyi, its just a theory and there has been no evidence such as a feat of strength on beta, so from what we currently know, it is sticking around
heavy cairn
I have my doubts, given precedent set by ulduar
hollow dock
Yea it's separated off by expac
like Cooking is on live
vanilla recipes are under a vanilla tab and that tab has its own skill level. That repeats for all expacs
heavy cairn
I know it's a squish, but I wasn't sure if such a thing would apply to achievements,
dense plover
it does
uncut vault
the achieves are already in the beta, instead of having zen master be reach 500 or whatever, it's "reach 100 skill in pandaria blacksmithing" or whatever profession
dense plover
the achievements were all changed on beta
heavy cairn
OK, thanks then
dense plover
the only things that are gone are first aid achieves
they are becoming feats of strength
they dont give achievement points anymore
and the recipes have been tied into tailoring and alchemy i think
heavy cairn
https://twitter.com/warcraftdevs/status/867043407830564865?lang=en
looks like I was wrong about how likely it was that "the chosen" would go away when legion ended. I just thought it would be strange for it to be removed at some arbitrary time after it's already trivial (which it will be with a group of 20 at 120)
heavy cairn
I thought it would be like the wrath special title achieves; who knows, still could be, and I'd say it's likely given allowing it for even a week at level 120 would make many people get it trivially
but I was wrong about an official source saying it would most likely be like that
uncut vault
oh hey, apparently they fixed pvp multiboxing
dense plover
?
uncut vault
can no longer follow people while flagged on the beta
dense plover
oh yeah
hollow dock
oh neat
dense plover
that was in a few builds ago
hollow dock
That also means no multiboxing in War Mode
dense plover
well yeah
thats what flagging is
plus the whole enter an area of the opposite faction and get flagged for pvp
jade basalt
Eh, multiboxers usually use key press iterating commands while 'fighting'
i.e press Left, all characters turn Left
unborn pagoda
Yop, but still mostly work as "train"
tropic trail
I've still never run into a multiboxer in wow
tranquil steeple
I've run into 10 multiboxers max, where there's around 4 bots
Either as Prot pala or hunter
hollow dock
honestly the most MBs I see are just high end raiders
and that's specifically because of Legendary fishing
strange falcon
i've seen 1 paladin,and all (specifically) BM multiboxers
sullen dagger
its hard to get the chosen achievement?
hollow dock
not really.
strange falcon
it's more like "everyone needs to at least know the basics" level
because helya is tricky,that if you dont know how to get out of p2 or deal with breaths,it's a failure
hollow dock
yup
uncut vault
very hyped for alliance warfront
definitely means we'll get a build by at least next tuesday
jade basalt
@sullen dagger By itself, no, but joining a decent group, yes
terse patrol
@uncut vault did they reveal anything about it?
terse patrol
wonder when we'll get the barrens warfront
quartz mango
are we losing the fishing artifact in BfA too?
i dont remember if they commented on it
strange falcon
no as far as i know
hollow dock
We arent losing any artifacts. Theyre becoming inert.
The fishing stuff traits mostly apply to legion but the rest should be working
dense plover
pretty sure the fishing rod is sticking around
some of the traits wont work because they are legion specific
but im pretty sure the reduced aggro range, fish transformation and water walking arent going away
hollow dock
Yup
sharp bluff
so Vris, what do you think the chances of us DK getting some gylphs to get those sweet new skeletons is?
hollow dock
I think it might happen.
dense plover
i feel like at the very least the base skeleton model has probably been updated
and it would be awesome if it changed based on the zone
sharp bluff
I want my moocow skeleton buddy lol
dense plover
or at least for zandalar it had troll ones, and human ones for kul tiras
and then code in some exceptions
like dwarves in dwarf specific zones
etc
plain fern
unborn pagoda
Sooooooooooo good..
Finally Blizzurd figured for what are gnomes good :D for soup and tropy
tropic trail
get outta here gnome haters
sharp bluff
idk... that head still looks alive
hollow dock
It's the CEO of blizz
crude void
how do people get 5m gold ?
people have big mount like how?
im in beta and i got 5k lol
dense plover
on beta, people make tons of characters and transfer the starter gold
its not worth it
unborn pagoda
Stats on gear in instanced pvp have again in BfA theyr role right? Isnt JUST same ilvl crap (equality, principes of war, blablabla) as we know it now right?
unborn pagoda
Damn.. That sux..
dense plover
why>
it tests skill instead of gear
like, if you go up against someone and win because you have better gear, what does that prove?
nothing
it proves you spent more time getting gear
the ilvl stuff makes it so it is about skill in combat
hollow dock
You don't get to roflstomp lowbies just getting in purelyon gear
you still do it because they just suck
tropic trail
I mean, I think PvP is more fair this expac than in previous but some of the specs are outrageously OP though. Being one shot by a rogue. Holy priest being practically unkillable. Mages constantly blinking around, molesting you with ice Lance.
tropic trail
Hell, to an extent, druids are overpowered.
hollow dock
Rogues, healers and mages have always been strong in PVP.
meager warren
and that sucks
crude void
wrong i got flagged for beta last night i did nto even use a key i dont have one
or they did it final and i got my late for being flagged
XD who knows im playing beta and it fun
dense plover
what?
crude void
i got flagged as i did not use a key
crude void
someone said can no longer follow people while flagged on the beta and you said oh yeah that few builds ago
dapper cosmos
Thats about the /follow command in game.
crude void
crude void
hmmm
dense plover
with /follow
crude void
ok
dense plover
its not allowed in pvp anymore
crude void
whatever don't matter
dense plover
it has nothing to do with being flagged for beta
crude void
figures
blizz be like umm yah no more flagging people and now only way is to joinbeta is keys
next day people are geting flagged 2x more
like me lol
meager warren
wat
crude void
nvm....
ruby star
Twitter
dense plover
Very likely there will be an actual build tomorrow. Next build will include official azerite UI and based on The shortly lived build on Tuesday, may include separate maps for zanchul and dazar alor, as well as a UI for island expeditions and warfronts
uncut vault
I hope so, looking forward to the crisp UI stuff
I hope they didnt scrap the look from blizzcon
cause that circle was nice
dense plover
The calls for these falls were in the build on Tuesday, but they were messed up, and the art wasn’t in the game yet
I’m waiting for the feature where you can see the traits of dungeon gear
Because that’s supposed to be a feature
And if an add on has to do that I’ll be very disappointed
Also, I still think they need to remove all regular helmet chest and shoulder drops
Non azerite gear with better stats means no reason to gaf about the necklace
Which will become a problem on live extremely fast
uncut vault
Wait are there actually normal items? that has to be PH
dense plover
Right now, in dungeons and from world quests and even from emissaries, you can get regular chest, helm and shoulders
And since you can get these more frequently, it’ll be easier to get items without azerite traits
These need to either be removed or be given traits
Or the main endgame progression system will be ignored
And people will get bored or endgame
And have no reason to do world quests
rich ocean
https://i.imgur.com/jXg4qS2.png This is pst right?
uncut vault
Yeah
terse patrol
Yes
rich ocean
Cool
tropic trail
that's not using just realm time?
hollow dock
Their realm time and PST are the same
split valley
I would go by PST to be safe. The devs would actually need to be at the office in Anaheim to participate.
oak wraith
So that's from ... May 25 01:00 CEST? 💤
tropic trail
wait
so
BFA PVP
how does it work
its already implemented in beta?
where you flag yourself in Rested XP zones
and there's no more pvp realms?
It is implemented in Beta, yes.
And yes, there will only be a differentiation between "normal" and "rp" realms going forward
kinda odd
gonna suck for my realm which is alliance dominated lol
mhm, I think it will be sharded accordingly
oak wraith
No, you can only flag in Stormwind/Orgrimmar and when you go outside you get put into "balanced" (A vs H) shards (at least, that will be tried)
So it doesn't matter if your realm is alliance or horde dominated.
(still not 100% sure what the plan is for RP servers)
cinder knoll
I would say RP will stay with their realm only, but when PVP is on, I think that balance should apply to them
but thats just a guess
oak wraith
Yeah. Blizz said something like that, but that was much earlier in development (pre-alpha, I think?)
tropic trail
RP will probably get pooled for war mode as well
But not across the lines with the "nromal" realms
lone fern
@dense plover you forget that some traits are really strong and i sure as hell wont ignore them live
@dense plover for example, demon hunter tank has a chance to life leech, its 18% of my damage and around 15% of my healing, if it procs on an AE ability, it leeches of ALL enemies hit. you dont waste that % for a 3-5% stat upgrade
undone trail
@tropic trail what do you mean by not across the lines with normal realms? I'm not sure about other rp and rppvp realms but moon guard has a crushing alliance server domination, and for the sake of both factions, that needs to be balanced out by a horde heavy server
tropic trail
Well
I am sure there was a statement that RP servers will not share shards with non-RP servers
So they will balance moon guard against a horde heavy RP server (if there is one)
But not against a non-RP server, regardless of balance
undone trail
So if there's no horde rp server, rip horde rpers 😭
hollow dock
that seems fine tbh
unborn pagoda
👌 😂 😂 😂
hollow dock
LOL
mint arch
this description of the new jaina comic is gold
We get it. She can't get over it. She's a strong independent mage who don't need no mana.
hollow dock
Technically speaking no where in lore is mana used for anymore more than a magical substance the blood elves drain and acts like physical substance of arcane.
steel venture
don't need no dragon would be more accurate
wild pewter
We've got Alliance warfronts tonight right?
hollow dock
well Brawl with the Blues in HOTS is always fun
ornate pivot
Wish I was back in high school.
hollow dock
I wish I was back in HS. College sucks. Can barely pay for WoW ;3;
drifting current
I was I was 20 years younger and not in Uni
strange falcon
vris in college 🤔
undone trail
in reference to the rp pop discussion above (ran, ate breakfast, showered since), it looks like MG should get sharded with WrA...although if it's ALL RP servers together and it really will be 55% although that's assuming that every ally will enter war mode
still lily
I'm going to have to take a year off to save for university ;-;
drifting current
I did
still lily
Also to catchup on classes I missed while sick ;-;
Over the summer I'm going to have to study a lot so I can learn the stuff I didn't get to in class
drifting current
You get studying
You’ll find that the more time you spend not at your point, you will find an issue later on
I was admitted into Cambridge, but I had to literally spend a year studying and saving
still lily
I won't be able to go to a big school like that
At least any of them here in the states
strange falcon
Cambridge tho 🤔
drifting current
It’s great
still lily
Isn't Cambridge a big one?
strange falcon
also US education costs an ungodly amount
drifting current
It’s number 2 in the world
still lily
Student loans are traps
drifting current
We have student loans to spare
hollow dock
I never took any loans
still lily
But I won't be able to go to a school like that, too scared of other people
drifting current
Luckily if you’re clever, patient and willing to not eat for a few days you can get past them
hollow dock
I did the math. If i took even 1, I'd be paying em for the next 20 years.
slate ingot
I see part 5 is on wowhead now for the campaign
hollow dock
Yup.
drifting current
I’m still there and have taken various part time jobs to help pay away
still lily
Also I've missed on years of classes because of my horrible schools
Fuck Texas public schooling
slate ingot
Did anything change with the catch and go quests or is it still shit
drifting current
Idk if anything major changed
still lily
I'ma go cry for a bit now
drifting current
Btw @still lily, I had a friend on the UK like you, she’s doing advanced biology PhD
Don’t let all this hold you down
slate ingot
I mean US student loans can be payed off quickly if you get an actual career from an actual degree and don't trap yourself with unsubsidized loans
drifting current
UK student loans feels like dragging a log up a hill
slate ingot
Where the issue lays is the interest rate on an unsubdized loan is its like near 4% I think and it accrues while in university its a literal trap
drifting current
It’s like that over here as well
still lily
I think there are programs now in the USA to help students if their loans were traps
slate ingot
You take what you need avoid any unsubsidized loans if possible and grants and scholarships are your friend
drifting current
W H A T
still lily
I think it's like if you spend X amount of time paying off the loan you can get forgiveness whatevers
slate ingot
And you take the bareminimum
still lily
and your debt is nonexistent
drifting current
We just get a pat on the back and a ‘good luck’
slate ingot
There isn't really
still lily
Well like most loans back in the day were insane traps @drifting current
drifting current
I hate back in the day
slate ingot
Outside of the ITT tech thing unless you file chapter 11
strange falcon
there are no student loans here :pogchamp:
slate ingot
Student loans are with you until you pay them or declare bankruptcy and live the next 10 years off of crumbs
slate ingot
Did you major in something employable?
still lily
Why does your name sound like potato
strange falcon
declaring bankruptcy when you dont even have a company 
slate ingot
You can file for bankruptcy as an individual
clever ember
Pick up a trade skill. Less debt, and some of the companies are in dire need of new blood. I have a friend who is an electrician and he is making bank.
still lily
I'ma do something with computers and programming so I can work at Blizzard or another company like it uwu
Cause I'ma be a cool girl uwu
still lily
Your boyfriend is smol
slate ingot
To be honest what most people in the states are forgetting about and its hurting them in the long run are trade schools
drifting current
So all I gotta do is just stay with him AS LONG AS POSSIBLE
And no he’s much taller than me
strange falcon
sick plan @drifting current 
drifting current
Genius I know
drifting current
Last I checked
slate ingot
I dropped out of my four year uni and went and completed my associates at a trade school and I learned more there than I did at uni
drifting current
I’m not quite 2”3
harsh canyon
Question, Is Jaina's dead brother well preserved or skeleton in the questline?
drifting current
I’m sticking with Cambridge, it looks good on a CV
tranquil steeple
Not to be a partypooper of any sort, but... this is looking more fitting for #no-wow-discussion than BfA Beta.
drifting current
True
strange falcon
partypooper
still lily
Every party needs a pooper it's why they invited you
harsh canyon
Again, What is the state of brother corpse proudmoore?
tranquil steeple
Weee
still lily
hollow dock
Zy, it's magically perserved somehow
no one knows why or how.
It just looks like it's a recent death.
Even though it should be absolutely rotted
drifting current
Do you think Sylvanas will have the balls the raise Derek Proudmoore
Because that very thought is kinda exciting me
drifting current
Put it a different way
hollow dock
She is (99% sure) the one who had Teldrassil burned, slaughtered civvies and hosted executions. I don't really think her raising a dead prince is out of the question.
drifting current
Do you think Blizzard would have the balls to get Sylvanas to do that
hollow dock
I point to my post.
drifting current
Because as a hordie
drifting current
Waving Jainas dead forsaken brother in her face is brilliant
hollow dock
compared to all the other shit she's having the horde do
Good way to get pyroblasted tbh
harsh canyon
I was thinking raising Derek would be smart and evil
drifting current
It’s a good psychological method of throwing Kul Tiras
harsh canyon
Also, I mean... Red Dragonfire probably burns and preserves considering what we know of their magic?
drifting current
Facing Katherine Proudmoore with her own son reanimated into a Forsaken, genius move
harsh canyon
AlsoAlso, A Proudmoore makes a good Admiral
hollow dock
that makes em push even farther
It'd be a real stupid move as it'd get people fanatical to killing the horde
drifting current
Not that Jaina wasn’t, before or anything
still lily
Facing Katherine Proudmoore with her own Chihuahua raised as a forsaken tho
That's ingenious
hollow dock
I dont understand what you just said O.o
still lily
Who cares about the son
Find any past petts
Raise em
Boom
psychologically broken
hollow dock
Katherine would most certainly gun and cut em down
still lily
;-;
drifting current
I would raise Derek Proudmoore AND Liam Greymane as forsaken
still lily
She'd probably do that to her own son too then <w<
hollow dock
That's a very easy way to not break them
and just strengthen their resolve
just sayin
They're not unstable people, they get focused in the face of 'transgressions' like that
drifting current
Ok, Genn will just have to kill his son again
still lily
Wanna know what'll break em?
hollow dock
He won't see that as his son
still lily
Surrendering
hollow dock
His son died in his hands
still lily
They'll never expect them to surrender
hollow dock
He does. And he'll get conflicted, but to see his son being raised. A mockery of that memory.
harsh canyon
The issue with the Forsaken is the feel the need to continue to live and be around
drifting current
But if his son comes back to him, same voice, same clothes, the old wolf will break
hollow dock
also Im like fairly certain the Forsaken didn't get that deep to get the body
harsh canyon
When they are now a relic
drifting current
The Horde still needs them
still lily
I mean Genn wouldn't break that easily tho tbh
drifting current
And as Khadgar says: there is much to be done
He would
He’s an old man
He’s an old man with breathtaking anger management issues
harsh canyon
The Horde needs their power, But they are as put... No longer got a purpose then to support the Horde.
terse patrol
tbh if Derek is loyal to the Horde if they raise him, I’ll be annoyed
drifting current
Sylvanas will do cool mind control stuff
harsh canyon
Derek is raised
Sails home
Wanders right into Kul'Tiras and causes the greatest poopnado in lore
tropic trail
If you really want to fuck with Jaina, you should raise her daddy, tbh.
drifting current
I would raise the people of Theramore and have them slowly wander towards her as a crowd screaming ‘You betrayed us Jaaaina...’
I’m crazy don’t judge me
terse patrol
Theres nothing of them left so
drifting current
Oh, she’ll think of something
You know Sylvanas, chip of the old Quel’thalas shaped block
Still one of our girls, no matter how, undead and hell bent she is
harsh canyon
An Amalgam of Mana-enchanted souls?
drifting current
Now that would be awesome
harsh canyon
With the voice of Jaina's apprentice?
harsh canyon
People say S
You know
Maybe both Jaina and Sylvanas are corrupted by Old Gods with how they act...
Then again, I thought Garrosh was Old God influenced since Twilight Highlands
drifting current
‘Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it’
Spoopy
Maybe it’s their hearts are craters
MAYBE
When Il’gynoth says it to the two different factions he’s talking about two different people
AND MAYBE...
He’s talking to the Alliance about Sylvanas and the Horde about Jaina
SO MAYBE
It might get both sides suspicious about Old God influence during the coming war
still lily
@terse patrol She could literally raise any old decrepit corpse and have them do it
and it would have the same effect
As long as they look even just vaguely like the denizens of Theramore
harsh canyon
Do we create a theory guide on who Sylvanas can raise because they aren't dust?
drifting current
Ok I think I’m done with my Jaina/Sylvanas/Il’gynoth three way
Maybe she can just raise them as ghouls or spirits
drifting current
Eyyyyyyy
harsh canyon
Like
Kael'thas father: Yes
Carine: No
still lily
But Sylvanas could probably do a lot with taunting Jaina with the forsaken. Honestly she probably doesn't even remember the faces of half the people that died in the bombing of Theramore
harsh canyon
Antonidas: Yes
Varian: NO
still lily
Probably remembers names tho
drifting current
All they need
harsh canyon
oh shit
still lily
She could just send a banshee or ghost or something to Jaina and have it act as if it were a close friend of her at Theramore
And trick Jaina into doing horrible things o3o
drifting current
She’s fighting a war who gives a damn about evil
harsh canyon
Blizz please!
drifting current
OH this is so good
We need to send this idea to Blizz
It links in brilliantly with the comic as well
still lily
Just more and more betrayal to Jaina
And it'll be beautiful
Something about Jaina getting consistently betrayed warms the heart
drifting current
And then
She can do something CRAZY
Really shows how far she will go to get justice
steel venture
She's not being crazy, she's literally acting like any other character that's gone through similar shit. They just were dudes so nobody's making as much of a stink about their #ragemodes unlike Jaina.
When its ... literally a repeated story-arc.
drifting current
She can do some Stratholme level totally desperate crazy bastard level stuff though
But only when Sylvanas has legit started raising the dead of Theramore as spirits
still lily
Actually it's not because they're dudes but I think because it's such a 180 from the peace loving Jaina
o3o
At least for me that's why <-<
steel venture
Not really hard to do a 180 when your whole city is bombed and everyone you were close to that you couldn't save was turned into arcane dust that disintegrated at your touch.
drifting current
I would like to see her go totally rouge, and start doing stuff purely because she wants the Horde brought to dust
still lily
Point being I don't think her gender plays any role in people making a stink about it
as you put it
o3o
drifting current
Because it’s been a while seems we’ve had some good old Alliance prejudice
steel venture
make 👏 kultirans 👏 terrible 👏 people 👏
like that's already shown pretty well on the beta thus far i want them to keep it when they actaully properly join the alliance
drifting current
Perfect for Jaina
harsh canyon
But that is th Gilnean gimmick
drifting current
Chip of the old block
harsh canyon
THIS IS WORGAN ERASURE
steel venture
they're using horde prisoners as live target practice so. pls.
pls make them stay assholes.
still lily
Jesus fuck what
drifting current
Kul’tirans are Gilneans
still lily
that sounds like a war crime
drifting current
Just like GARROSH DID IN SEIGE OF ORGRIMMAR
steel venture
YES IT DOES AND I LOVE IT
kul tirans actually are performing sort-of war crimes, but they're not as in your face as the horde right now which makes me sad
needs to be amped up more
to make it match the "but muh morally gray" theme they're going with
drifting current
WE NEED ALLIANCE WAR CRIMES AND WE NEED THEM NOW
steel venture
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
still lily
So yes, Kul'Tirans are objectively war criminals
steel venture
steel venture
hard to see in the image but he's chained in place too
slate ingot
dont you mean gilneans are kul'tirans as didnt gilneans leave gilneas and find kul'tiras
still lily
Why do the targets look so low poly o3o
drifting current
Same difference
drifting current
All I want is for the Alliances evil side to show a bit more
steel venture
oh and no privacy. really.
slate ingot
if thats the worst the kul'tirans do than color me surprised. the horde has done far worse through the campaign
harsh canyon
Back in the day of the Human kingdoms
Gilneans had shit to export but had amazing soldiers and a solidarity attitude
terse patrol
steel venture
^ Removed.
still lily
Why hurt the cow ;-;
harsh canyon
Kul'tirans had lots of rock and fish to export and were an island nation safe
steel venture
That was removed, Honk. It's no longer in the beta.
drifting current
Kul’Tirans are crazy
mint arch
G R E Y
harsh canyon
Gilneans are brooding dark gothic style of humans really
Kul'tirans are supposed to be the upbeat sea shanty singers that are large in life
still lily
EVER >:c
steel venture
I really need to find the gallow screenshots from Drustvar.
Since they hang you over petty crimes too.
Like ... speeding in a carriage, and that's it.
mint arch
speeding kills
drifting current
At least it’s just Sylvanas alone (maybe with a touch of Nathanos) doing all the evil Horde stuff, everyone else was just doing their job, the Kul’tirans are Grade A totally crazy
terse patrol
Don’t change the fact the Horde are slaughtering people and raising them as Forsaken.
still lily
terse patrol
Doesn’t change that Sylvanas intends to kill every member of the Alliance to the last man, woman, and child, as per Nathanos’ quote.
drifting current
That’s because Sylvanas needs a people
terse patrol
BUT NAH
harsh canyon
Kul'tiras is Modern Day London
Alliance Diplomat is asked upon arriving if he has a weapon permit and is arrested because of it
terse patrol
ALLIANCE ARE GARROSH 2.0!!!
drifting current
She’s at war
terse patrol
M O R A L L Y G R E Y
drifting current
The Kul’tirans are doing this day to day
steel venture
No, but it's less "mustache-twirlingly bad" and just general warcrimes now.
And you haven't gone through Stormsong recently then. The whole situation was changed and made more ambigious due to the complaints.
mint arch
at war = excusing all her pre-war shit
harsh canyon
"OI GUV'NA, YOU GOT AN ARTIFACT LICENCE?!"
mint arch
makes sense
slate ingot
Which Nathanos quote?
still lily
War crimes are not fun tbh
drifting current
Speaking of pre war stuff HEY GUYS, remember when Varian held an innocent woman in her nightgown at swordpoint over a rumour
No? No ok
terse patrol
“look, its just war! its fine that she wants to genocide entire races of people, then leave their king as the last one alive just so she can make an example out of him for a war she started”
slate ingot
remember when the alliance bombed stone talon? no ? neither does pepridge farms.
steel venture
Horde still has plenty of war crimes under their belt and I'm sitting here tapping my foot waiting for fucking Alliance to get the same amount.
terse patrol
“hehe”
still lily
Hey guys remember when Sylvanas killed the survivors of Lordaeron in the aftermath of the third war
mint arch
omg, he held her a sword point vs capturing, torturing, killing, experimenting, raising humans
xD
slate ingot
or remember the battle for the undercity which reignited the faction conflict because of the apothecaries experimentations ?
harsh canyon
Alliance hides the war crimes idiot
steel venture
I know I'm at least going to roleplay "justified" Allliance members slitting the throats of Horde civilians. 👌
harsh canyon
It's called uhh...
drifting current
She does that because she still needs, people, and a military and to sustain her city, she isn’t all doing it out of spite
slate ingot
alliance has piss all for war crimes compared to the horde
terse patrol
ah yes. How Sylvanas didn’t stop with Garithos, but murdered every single living human Garithos has under his protection.
mint arch
acting like undead is somehow free to exercise their "right to raise more undead"
drifting current
Hey, you know Tyrande is a totally racist cow
still lily
Sylvanas is evil regardless of her motives
terse patrol
Lets just forget the human experimentation
harsh canyon
But the Wo-rithos and the Garithi-ldren
slate ingot
nothing like two brownouts in the span of 5 seconds
terse patrol
Or the genocide in Cataclysm.
terse patrol
Lets forget how she made a deal with the Alpha Prime worgen to invade Gilneas.
steel venture
Except she didn't.
terse patrol
(Yes, shes why the worgen infested Gilneas)
mint arch
honk, my man, she's not evil mate
still lily
I mean Sylvanas had nothing to do with wrathgate right?
steel venture
Both events happened at once, why the fuck would she be caught off guard by the worgen if she knew about Alpha Prime.
drifting current
Let’s forget the Alliance kicking away the High Elves after the scourge invasion
terse patrol
“sylvanas boobies make my peepee hard so she must be innocent”
steel venture
She just saw "hey bad shit is happening here, so lets swoop in and fuck em up more"
still lily
The alliance kicked them due to a demon
If you remember the general that made the order was under possession
o3o
drifting current
The Alliance kicked them because they’re racist
still lily
So it wasn't the alliance that kicked them, it was demon possession
mint arch
loool
drifting current
cough Tyrande cough
steel venture
It's literally canon that the worgen incident had absolutely fucking nothing to do with the Forsaken and was 100% Alpha Prime + His newfound Wolf Cult, the Forsaken took advantage of people already down and invaded afterwards.
mint arch
loool, tyrande is racist is somehow equal to being evil
tyrande has many reasons to act like she does
and to not trust other races
still lily
racism = not okay tho