Well so much for me only playing Horde...
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tropic trail
hollow dock
Port even told you it was daatamined.
terse patrol
I think they’re testing “3D” capes.
tropic trail
I didn't see that I was to excited.
uncut vault
from what I can tell, it looks like the 3d asset that was on the chestpiece is now on the cloak, and its expanded
tropic trail
ever notice how none of the people in the reunion comic look anything like their allied race?
except lady ashvane
still lily
Comic officially ruined Jaina as a character but explained allied Kul'Tirans
o3o
Lame
meager warren
no u
uncut vault
I think that can be put to the weird art style
still lily
We get Kul'Tirans at the cost of a character that's become nothing more than a nationalistic zealot
o3o
meager warren
who?
still lily
Jaina
meager warren
Jaina is lovely tyvm
still lily
She used to be a competent character
And a good one
But now she's nothing but a nationalist that wants to incite war
tropic trail
I feel like you're taking things out of context. She became an alliance supporter becasue she views the horde as betraying her, despite her efforts to foster friendship between the factions
still lily
Garrosh betrayed her, not the whole Horde
tropic trail
you have to look at the events leading up to that point
the horde stood beside garry
terse patrol
I mean, they kinda did betray her.
terse patrol
She gave everything to protect Thrall’s Horde.
still lily
<w<
tropic trail
they did during theramore
uncut vault
why are you typing weird ass faces every other message
tropic trail
and now sylvanas is warchief which really doesn't help their case
still lily
They didn't really have much of a choice under his Tyranical rule
Fuck Garrosh, he was the only issue
tropic trail
that's not an excuse
tropic trail
also yeah, what's with the faces?
still lily
I can see why she'd be mad at the Horde when Garrosh was in power but I can't see why anymore
meager warren
Garrosh betrayed her, not the whole Horde
well yeah, but when has any character in wow ever been reasonable
hollow dock
I mean. Jaina's mom looks the same.
tropic trail
they don't seem to correspond with anything being said
hollow dock
Like everyone looks like their in game counterpart??
still lily
<w< is a face that shows I'm looking at you with skeptical or judgemental gaze
tropic trail
I was mostly talking about the generic kul tirans in the comic compared to the allied race
meager warren
who's you
still lily
The ending is bad and unfulfilling.
"too bad you get me because I'm a fucking horrendous bitch now"
tropic trail
except no
still lily
except yes
meager warren
except nyes
uncut vault
seems people didnt grasp the fact that jaina wants to show her people that shes realized her errors
still lily
is just so bad <w<
uncut vault
kul tiras things shes still the jaina from WC3
and she isnt, shes a more realized person now
sharp bluff
she did abandon us in Legion Vris, so unless it shows her killing demons somewhere
she is one of the most powerful mages on the planet
uncut vault
it literally does
sharp bluff
where?
uncut vault
theres literally a panel of her going out killing demons
still lily
yes
sharp bluff
ya that was pre SoO
terse patrol
She went out fighting demons alone.
tropic trail
that wasn't pre SoO, she says she went to go fight the legion alone
uncut vault
sharp bluff
it makes it look like it was pre SoO, post bombing
strange falcon
what does the new comic talk about?
sharp bluff
ahh ok misread the first panel
still lily
I mean there's a constant demonic threat. too many demons on azeroth at all times
tropic trail
just details jaina wanting to reconnect with her people, how she realizes that her papa was right all along
still lily
Just not a burning legion threat at the time
terse patrol
Does anyone else think that Jaina getting with Kalecgos was dumb af. She should have stayed with Thrall.
meager warren
there's always a burning legion threat tho
uncut vault
I mean she was never with thrall
tropic trail
she sees that they're too proud(moore) to ask for help, so she'll bring the help to them
uncut vault
and thrall kinda caused all this
sharp bluff
they are writing the allaince as the heroes, she can't stay with Thrall since he is on the villainous horde
still lily
It's so black and white now which is bad o3o
WC3 had a lot of grey areas in its narrative
sharp bluff
very black and white at this point
tropic trail
I wish Jaina loved me.
meager warren
we've seen romeo and juliet a couple times actually, i'm certain.
just i can't remember any instances at this moment
still lily
that's what I hate most about this
sharp bluff
one side is villains at this point, one side is heroes, all the pre xpac info seems that way
still lily
Meanwhile in panda land, lots of questionable stuff on both ends
tropic trail
The horde has always been the more morally questionable of the tow tho, with the forsaken being in it and all
still lily
Until siege of orgrimmar where Garrosh was like "nah fek u"
terse patrol
Aggra is such a lame character.
tropic trail
what about arthas?
still lily
You know exactly arthas
terse patrol
arthas was kinda evil and undead???
tropic trail
ok then, grommash, gul'dan, blackhand, nerzhul, should i keep going?
uncut vault
ayy nice
tropic trail
garry
terse patrol
lame
still lily
@meager warren it's more that like the events that happened in Panda land without Garrosh involved were morally grey where as the ones where he was involved were direct evil
sharp bluff
pre patch then peach?
still lily
Whenever a warchief is involved stuff always goes from grey to pure black
terse patrol
Pre patch PTR has to be imminent tbh
meager warren
what about when thrall was warchief
and handed it off to a morally grey garrosh, who because of plot induced stupidity, became the villain for no reason
dense plover
might not be the final build today
still lily
I feel like Thrall handed it off because he knew he was gonna be injected with stupid
like each other warchief
o3o
meager warren
oh yes, because if they knew they'd just keep doing the ONE thing that ultimately turns out to be the worst choice
still lily
They just inject lead in the drinking water of all warchiefs
And since he's a Shaman
he could sense the elements
and knew the water was off
So he gave it to Garrosh instead
and made him warchief
So he got lead water
and became an idiot
It's why he didn't come back after his death
Because he knew there would be tainted water to inject him with stupid
See doesn't it all make sense?
uncut vault
just ignore the trolly weeb.
meager warren
already done
still lily
I put too much effort into that joke to be called a trolly weeb <w<
terse patrol
dont talk crap bout weebism reee
meager warren
effort? really?
still lily
Yes effort
meager warren
"Lead makes stupid, look at me! REEEEE"
meager warren
you might as well have.
definite trolly weeb
terse patrol
still lily
<w<
still lily
If you want a legitimate answer I think they just have bad writers that want to appeal to a mainstream audience that doesn't want morally grey themes so they make Horde explicitly evil
hollow dock
PURGE THE WEEBS
tulip sun
She even imagines killing thrall
hollow dock
Yea because she kinda realizes that's the point that her people see her as the villain
still lily
All in all it's such a huge letdown when the last expansion that featured a direct Alliance vs Horde conflict was MoP and that had a far more intricate storyline even at face value
uncut vault
I mean "at face value" doesnt really work
when they literally said "horde warchief is the end boss" at the xpac announcement
meager warren
i wonder when her people are gonna see the actual villains, like Sylvanas or Genn as villains
though i guess sylvanas doesn't count since she's horde but seriously
restive sage
are warfronts like pve pvp
hollow dock
both and neither
still lily
@uncut vault At face value the expansion features both factions trying to establish a foothold in a neutral region
sharp bluff
Genn is no longer a villain remember Murd? he got redeemed by seeing a forsaken not stab someone in the back, once
all it took
hollow dock
Zep you're taking it way to far out of context
Genn is now -conflicted- about it
he thought the forsaken were literally noting but monsters
like Sylvanas
but now he sees theyre not all monsters
but normal people
meager warren
ONCE
hollow dock
so he speaks to anduin about it.
meager warren
he was a hero ONCE
meager warren
:thonk:
sharp bluff
seems backwards but fine
hollow dock
Holy balls so many not eligibles in the giveaway chat
meager warren
u seem backwards
and right?
sharp bluff
oh boy is giveaways going off again?
meager warren
too many people don't read the damn #sweepstakes channel fully before clicking the thingy
hollow dock
ye
meager warren
yes, zep.
yes it is
hollow dock
they didnt do the second half of the giveaway
sharp bluff
huh explains a good bit of why it was going off then
But still he sees the worgen as monsters until he is one, but takes this long not to figure out the forsaken are the same thing? not all monsters? seems really bad writing is what i am trying to get at
which yes, the writing is wow is not the strong point
but it seems so backwards
hollow dock
Well the thing is this: When the forsaken invaded. He didn't see anyone raise up as a forsaken
he never saw that part.
Heck for a very long time, he has only seen the negative side of it
tropic trail
people being raised isn't a negative side of it?
hollow dock
Now that it's challenged, he doesn't knowwhat to think
is the point.
He doesn't see the fear in people being resurrected.
He doesn't see how normal forsaken act, which is just like anyone else would
Fear, confusion, etc.
He has only seen 1 act from the Forsaken.
meager warren
but also a somewhat inhuman ability to not feel anything but light
hollow dock
In which now that there's something to challenge it, he doesn't knoww hat to think. He tells anduin and anduin helps him start to separate that it's Sylvanas being the issue. Not the Forsaken as a whole.
meager warren
hopefully that keeps consistent throughout the next few expacs
sullen dagger
sharp bluff
we take our shitposting seriously
hollow dock
I didn't think we were shitposting
cosmic sparrow
does anyone know if the beta will come out on ptr?
spring pumice
WTB BfA beta key /w me 😃
hollow dock
99,999,99 99 99 Gold/Silver/Copper
rich ocean
When Genn says some forsaken still hold their humanity.
hollow dock
LOL
rich ocean
Desolate council in a nutshell.
Ok enough memes, you lot see the new comic? its pretty nice, may we see some pages with jaina and thrall talking? it is called reunion
rich ocean
Ahh ok family reuinion
dense plover
yes
hollow dock
sort of but not entirely
tulip sun
That confuses me
She supposedly reveals herself in kul tiras
Unless i am reading it wrong
hollow dock
She does so when everyone has left
and picks up the sword.
I assume she then leaves before she's actually spotted
rich ocean
what sword?
dense plover
its in the comic
rich ocean
OH the full comic is out now?
hollow dock
Ye
vale idol
Nice comic. Rexxar retconned into bloodthirsty murderous evil horde villain #n. Basically the whole durotar campaign from wc3 got shit on in a couple panels. I like.
hollow dock
You clearly mislooked over the panel then.
The only 'truthful' panel was Jaina remembering the event and Rexxar wasn't that happy to be doing it.
rich apex
It's literally Jaina's memories being twisted by her own self doubt
tulip sun
^^
restive sage
true
tulip sun
As always, people jump to conclusions and complain
hollow dock
Dude
you should see the forums
they're all bitching and moaning about how this is Blizz saying Jaina is innocent
and forgiven for walking out
worthy minnow
that comic , that hate we are portraited as evil and brutal as they couldve portraited us
hollow dock
You clearly didn't actually read the comic then.
That's how Kul Tiras views the horde and Jaina
worthy minnow
jaina as well , cuz she wonders and regrets helping horde
not sure hows that not "reading the comic"
hollow dock
Yup. She got her father killed and even though the reality is that it was by far the toughest choice she had to make, no one back home knew.
worthy minnow
a sacrifice is needed for the greater good
hollow dock
Sorry that was my own jumping to conclusions because so many times people have taken this as an objective look on what the horde is
rather than the perspective of the people
worthy minnow
well theres a bit of that innocent thing
but still we are portraited as mass murderers
;/
hollow dock
Yes because Garrosh and Sylvanas are making the horde commit mass murder
worthy minnow
thats waaaaay after that
hollow dock
Garrosh was not way after though. that was in theramore, the place she was walking
worthy minnow
even in the memories of Jaina it seems like Thrall is corrupting her..
which is bs
hollow dock
No?
That panel matches what is described in lore
Thrall consoling and trying to comfort jaina
worthy minnow
looks quite otherwise in that panel
hollow dock
in the other panel that is there with the Kul Tiran speech, it's portrayed in complete red and warped from the reality.
worthy minnow
kultiras memories and her father dying is before Garrosh its stated that we are like fuckin murderers even then
even tho we didnt do anything there as far as i know
hollow dock
Yes because tha tis Jaina's outlook.
That the horde was always like that and she perceives, again playing on perceptions, everything Thrall did as taking advantage of her. When that isn't the actual reality of the situation.
dense plover
build was rolled back
it was misdeployed - super buggy
an actual build will probably come later
worthy minnow
thats what im saying
im not saying its truth im saying that kultiras and jaina thoughts are we are pice of shit
well with garrosh and after that yea maybe
but when they 1st settled it wasnt the case
hollow dock
Well to be fair to them
Thrall is the one that put Garrosh there.
And Thrall refused to come back to lead.
Not to mention Kul tiras never met thrall.
So they never saw the golden years of attempted peace with the alliance. they just know the horde from the second war.
worthy minnow
well he thought he should step down , thats why , its better to step down instead of doing shit afterwards
tbh
they never but u cant judge " the horde that killed their leader " like that
theres no way they dont know that they striked first and disturbed the horde not the horde
hollow dock
Why not? They're never given another outlook and can only fester on 1 thing.
The horde killed their beloved leader, their prince and many other good soldiers of the nation and their own betrayed it
hollow dock
To them, that is all the horde ever has beem.
A wise man like us maybe
because we're given allthis information
But you have to understand, Kul Tiras has no idea about any of what we know
They fought the hordein the second war, Daelin pursued the horde into Kalmindor to save Jaina.
worthy minnow
i dont talk based on the whole story even if i was in their shoes i wont blindly follow thoughts like that
hollow dock
Again that's great for us because we are so far ahead in thinking
but you can't place us to the same level as the characters.
hollow dock
Yes but that doesn't mean they're the same as You or I.
Again, societies are different. times are different.
worthy minnow
shouldnt they be more looking in the deep
hollow dock
Why would they bother?
The horde slaughtered their leader and their leaders own child let them
For a nation that is at war, there's nothing else to think.
worthy minnow
well u cant expect mercy when u strike
peacefully living people and call me savages
and slaughter em could you
and no magically Gen finally sees undeads are not bad
and magically lightforged undead appear
cuz they ress dead human..
hollow dock
it's not magical.
Lightforged undead don't actually exist
Calia isn't lightforged
it's a joke that got pushed as truth
Like jaina being a dreadlord
Genn didn't magically see Forsaken as people
He witnessed a human and forsaken act normal to each other. It's conflicting now as he only saw them as monsters
He talks to anduin about it. I dont think he's fully convinced all the forsaken are good but it's harder now knowing that some are just prisoners.
worthy minnow
by magically i mean finally realizing something
that was quite obvious
ik theres no lightforged but wait for it
why prisoners , they are given chance to do whatever they want even leave undead
and in most cases best choice is to return
if he likes undead and it turns out "we gonna save u from this bitch sylvanas " i would be disappointed
hollow dock
They actually aren't.
Most forsaken are under control of Sylvanas, though clearly not as strictly as she'd hope. As revealed within Warcraft: Traveler
he finally realizes it because its the very first time that he actually sees it
Again you cannot assume these characters are omniscient like us.
worthy minnow
well i expect em to have some sense at least...
i expect em not to be omniscient where 's the point?
hollow dock
they're at war with a people that seeks to genocidally wipe them out
they're not going to stop and ask how they are
The point is that you can't constantly fault characters to do bad just because they don't see things like you are seeing. Because we the observers have way more information than is even available to the characters.
worthy minnow
as i said even if i didnt have that much info i would still put more thought,
hollow dock
Again that is YOU. AS we are in a different time and society that encourages that thought process.
worthy minnow
i understand ur point but still
hollow dock
The characters live in a much different bubble than us
sharp bluff
Bubble describes Genn quite well
vale idol
Yes, and this bubble is very weird. You say they don't have all the info. I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. We have class halls in Legion, where we have prominent faction characters from the opposing faction that speak to us etc. I can help free Shaw, head of Si7, and prevent shenanigans because of a dreadlord impersonating him. As an undead rogue. And the suddenly "don't have the info"?
hollow dock
Do you see
Anduin
Genn
the leaders
the character's we are talking about
inside of those class halls?
Inside of those class halls, do you think each of those lore characters are spilling every little detail about each others lives and experiences to one another?
or are they trying to live together and win a war
Is your forsaken telling Shaw to tell to genn that you're not all bad people? Are these events actually happening? If so then yes I'll go ahead and change my mind.
vale idol
That's just not how intelligence agencies work, or ever worked tbh.
hollow dock
Why would they report "hey the undead aren't so evil, Genn" over "This is where they're going sir as you requested"
vale idol
They don't have to report that "they aren't evil", they have to report the facts. And the fact is that Shaw was held hostage and an undead rogue rescued him and helped kill the dreadlord impersonating him.
hollow dock
Canonically, how do we know it was undead in the first place?
For my story it was a night elf. For yours its an undead. For someone else it's an orc, or any other race.
(Though we can assume from the Sword Draining mini-cinematic blizz was making, our second in commands is who leads the other orderhalls and did their stuff. )
vale idol
I don't know what happens "canonically", but I want the story to make sense. And right now, if I play an undead rogue for example, it kinda doesn't tbh.
hollow dock
It never did if you played either side and went back to your factions ¯_(ツ)_/¯
its why BFA's story, even if its handled well, is not going to get well received. We banded together to win against the legion only to want to kill each other again after fighting together for the past year in the trenches against the Demons.
Nothing about it makes sense.
vale idol
That I can fully agree on.
hollow dock
The only stories that somewhat make sense is if your character begrudgingly accepted other faction races around them in the order halls and never dropped the old hatreds. But it just doesn't make sense for anyone else.
Which is why so many people want blizzard to just drop the faction war already because it's so unbelievably forced.
vale idol
Yeah, the forced bit is the biggest issue I have rn. Especially considering that the 'reason' for the war is once again a horde leader going batshit evil. I thought Garrosh was enough (even though his actions also felt forced at times).
hollow dock
Garrosh was at least natural in his wanting to bring honor to his fathers name and wanting to live up to that legacy.
Unfortunately he picked the, imo, wrong bit to try and idolize.
Sylvanas just does it for teh lulz and starts to slightly step out of character waging open war, targeting mostly civilians and possible military targets based on "what-ifs"
vale idol
I have a theory that Sylv becomes more crazy & evil with each "death". That's at least how I try to explain to myself what they do with her.
hollow dock
I personally think they just are using her as a plot device. And that's it.
vale idol
Which is unfortunate as she had great potential as a character, especially with Legion bringing Alleria back etc.
worthy minnow
shes just twisted character thats why they can do whatever they want with her
hollow dock
We are getting the Windrunner reunion in game
So they haven't forgotten it
just. not much else is being used with her.
worthy minnow
sylv evil alleria and vareesa will be disgusted as for what she became , fight to release her
;d
dense plover
vareesa already knows about sylv
and so does alleria
moreso, sylv clearly finds out about alleria before the siege of lordaeron
hollow dock
Yea. there's a reunion of the three prior to the burning
uncut vault
Ive still got a sliver of hope the book is gonna tie up some loose ends in the story but
seems like its just a whole new tangent
hollow dock
Yea. I wouldn't mind it as much in Sylvanas' case.
AS I still believe she should have died for good at ICC. Would have been a much greater end.
worthy minnow
oh this reunion , thought theres one ingame
vale idol
I'm still waiting for the continuation of the dialogue between vareesa & alleria on the vindicar about sylv... not expecting much but I can hope, right
worthy minnow
yup thats gotta develop
uncut vault
I mean, the actual conversation, we wouldnt be there during that as the PC
worthy minnow
and that false saurfang lines that got changed 20 times..
uncut vault
and if we get a reunion, it'll be after vereesa tells her about sylv
worthy minnow
ofc
hollow dock
that is the continuation
the reunion and all
Vereesa pulls Alleria aside to tell her. She's unable to fully believe that Sylvanas leads the horde
And that's why she calls up the reunion.
worthy minnow
out of the blue
not a lot of sense
like hey lets meet her , and after that we gonna fuckin kill each other
;d
vale idol
I'm mostly wondering if Vereesa is going to tell her the full story or in their current typical fashion just what she has become.
uncut vault
I mean she would kind of have to tell her the whole story
maybe minus garithos, but i doubt vereesa knows about that anyways
worthy minnow
alleria will be triggered if she knows all.. and will go berserk
ornate pivot
she's an elf, she doesn't have to tell more than she needs to twist it her way
uncut vault
I mean, not much to twist. Sylv died to undead, was raised as undead, now leads undead and brought them to the Horde
Vereesa's never shown any manipulation anyways
she's been shown to be bad at it, in fact
hollow dock
I mean.
Dream.
Paladins are former priests.
So it's more that Paladins act like priests 🤔
rich ocean
https://i.imgur.com/GgmPn0P.png ffs blizzard
hollow dock
Don't let game mechanics fool you.
When it comes to the story, anyone can weild any weapons.
uncut vault
tfw 20 years later and people dont understand that melee light wielder isnt what makes a paladin
hollow dock
tfw 20 years later people still let game mechanics dictate lore. LuL
unborn pagoda
Just guild perk :D
hollow dock
That seems reasonable for both opinions?
hollow dock
Oh you mean don't die
tropic trail
and if she does die at least die fighting the alliance
and not be looked down upon by the Horde
such as Garrosh
worthy minnow
yea we are tossing warchief like napkins
tropic trail
I guess sylvanas is better than most as warchief
worthy minnow
or like rappers throw money
tropic trail
sylvanas has a connection to the blood elves and therefor the nightborne
tropic trail
and she's been with the horde a very long time
and she has a dark past and a reason for not helping the alliance
all that stuff
worthy minnow
well horde helped her when noone did
tropic trail
while the blood elves didnt join the alliance become some douchebag in lordaeron
tropic trail
thats the sunreavers though
dense plover
at this point the leaders definitely dont want to join the alliance
yeah
but they tried to purge ALL of the blood elves
sunreaver or not
it was a massacre
worthy minnow
i dont understand why we dont see 1 elf in the trailer ;/
tropic trail
to be fair the HORDE did get the bell
worthy minnow
its like they are not doing anything every exp
tropic trail
so Jaina had every right to be suspicious
worthy minnow
genocide in one of the largest capitals is not the right thing u know
even if we got the bell
dense plover
especailly since most of the blood elves didnt know about it
after that event, only blood elves who have been loyal to the alliance from the start still believe in them
and those became void elves
worthy minnow
its like " someone stole my bike" - " i will kill half of the planet"
tropic trail
I guess but they straight up denied taking the bell instead of speaking with jaina
which of course pissed her off
and for good reason
worthy minnow
void elves were wandering ones
they went with the alliance for the sole pupose cuz alleria understand em
not cuz they were loyal before?
dense plover
because most of them didnt know about the bell
worthy minnow
or im missing something
tropic trail
not onlt that
tropic trail
they were cast out by the blood elves
dense plover
and then they assumed they all did
worthy minnow
void not magic
dense plover
they were loyal prior, they were cast out, and alleria helped them
tropic trail
yeah void
dense plover
void magic is magic
worthy minnow
light is magic too u gotta specify it tho
hollow dock
It actually wasn't much of a massacre. With only a few blood elves dying and the rest being imprisoned into the Violet Hold
uncut vault
umbric and his people actually werent loyal to the horde, theyre doing the (much better) loyalty to silvermoon and protecting it
tropic trail
or Fire related magic
for dark iron dwarves
actually
shamanism and priest/paladin magic
light magic
worthy minnow
well i dont think they were loyal to alliance as well
as u said instead to Silvermoon or something
hollow dock
They dont have to?
the blood elves are split
Those who think they need to stay with the horde to survive and those who think they need to go to the alliance. Like Umbric, there are elves who think they are little more than just weapons to the warchief.
Even though that's literally their oath and its only now sinking in
uncut vault
Hence why Umbric and Alleria both want to reclaim silvermoon for the alliance
worthy minnow
since when there are belfs who wants to leave horde
dense plover
i mean
tranquil steeple
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Umbric and his lot side with Alleria/The Alliance because Silvermoon cast them out for dealing with the Void, not because they wanted to defect to the Alliance?
dense plover
i doubt they will have any thing come of that
they would have to redo silvermoon
and they wont do that
worthy minnow
i think the same as sela
as far as i know silvermoon is one and they cast of some elves (void) and they just join alliance thats all
if they even want to do something with exodar and silvermoon
as they are said to be the last beacon of hope
they have to redo em both
hollow dock
they were cast out for dealing with the void and as they reminisce on that
they deem it the much better outcome as the horde would use them for weapons
should they ever find out
Umbric does anyways
Should really read the updated text from him
uncut vault
quote from umbric
"We do not stand with the Alliance out of convenience. Nor is it a mere gesture of thanks to Alleria.
Our ordeal has taught us the importance of great powers being in the right hands. We could not allow the Horde to know the things we know, or to use us as a weapon in their schemes.
We fight for the Alliance because we believe in its values. And one day, I pray we will bring all of Silvermoon back into the fold."
hollow dock
Yup. And when asked about the void studying, he does show he didn't have much love for the horde. As I imagine many blood elves don't.
worthy minnow
just end it all
just make em kill half of the horde and end it
if even the bad guys are gonna say horde is bad and that they fight for silvermoon..
just kill horde ;d
worthy minnow
same but its mentioned to be 2 beacons of hope
they might surprise us just kill of silvermoon as well
its empty af
so it doesnt really matter
dense plover
uh
it does matter
its literally one of the biggest roleplaying hubs in the game for horde
tropic trail
Hey guys!
worthy minnow
woah
tropic trail
👋
dense plover
also, its the only piece of blood elf architecture in actual abundance
it wont be killed off
tropic trail
Can I ask you guys something?
dense plover
sure
worthy minnow
u can never know.. if they keep going
dense plover
yes this is the wrong chat
10 days
literally read the thing
fuck can we just pin this or something
tropic trail
Was just curious, my bad
silvermoon won't get destroyed, alliance and horde still need a foothold to get to each continent
dense plover
UP TO 10 DAYS TO FINALIZE GIVEAWAY REWARDS
tranquil steeple
The correct chat would be #no-wow-discussion and as said... 10 days.
dense plover
its on the page
tropic trail
Apologies
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I mean, fighting in Quelthalas =/= Alliance having to take over Quel'thalas
tropic trail
that's true
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can easily be Alliance taking areas in Ghostlands, Horde holding Eversong
tropic trail
a ghostlands warfront or something would be cool, alliance trying to get a foothold to invade, but horde defending it
dense plover
they dont have flying for a reason
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so was arathi
worthy minnow
alleria could ez get in ghostlands
dense plover
ghostlands and quelthalas are bc old
worthy minnow
just tp and gg
dense plover
theyre ancient
tropic trail
Anyway, uh
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thats... literally more reason to update it
serene cobalt
why?
tropic trail
generally people sound fairly happy with how BfA is turning out, despite skepticism about the sylvanas storyline/faction conflict storylines
tropic trail
by now ghostlands is pretty cleard out i think
A lot of stuff is kinda putting me off of BfA honestly
Not a lot of things i'm a fan of
worthy minnow
not a fan of the unfolding story .. as of now
tropic trail
Probably will be just fine though, and i'm worrying about nothing
worthy minnow
ghostlands cleared?
tropic trail
idk tho
worthy minnow
since when?
tranquil steeple
I'mma wait with properly judging the story in BfA until we're at LEAST midway through the expac, if not close to the end.
Since by then we usually have some stuff cleared up
sharp bluff
basically in 2, maybe 3 xpacs expect alliance to own all but maybe 2 or 3 towns, they are the good guys after all 😑
worthy minnow
i doubt they will mind blow me tbh
dw Anduin will pop with the Holy nova and save the day
;d
tropic trail
tbh, im confused how the horde even has the resources to fight these constant wars. The orcs are whatever was left from the camps, the trolls are a single tribe, the tauren were nearly wiped out by horse people, and the forsaken are having population problems
worthy minnow
that why is said just kill it , so it finally ends this suffering
sharp bluff
horse people all died in i think Cata
they are irrelevant at this point
like all dead
serene cobalt
horse people? 😄
sharp bluff
and turned intto rugs
tropic trail
the tauren were still pretty badly beat up by the centaurs tho
the tauren that they killed don't just come back
worthy minnow
his point is we are on the verge of surviving and still fight back
which makes no sense
tropic trail
by horse people i mean the centaur
worthy minnow
cuz when u are low on resources u usually dont win the battle or the war
tranquil steeple
If we're gonna talk about embarrasing moments, like Taurens being beaten by Centaurs... Humans, and their Gnolls.
tropic trail
have you even seen hogger mate?
tropic trail
most of the threats we the players take care of are usually a lot bigger of a problem than the game portrays as well
sharp bluff
speaking of... has Hogger been found in BFA yet? cause didn't they say he isn't dead yet?
tropic trail
there's the blizzcon hogger cosplay winner in the stockades
worthy minnow
i wonder what dumb questions will be there on blizzcon 2k18
tranquil steeple
Pretty sure we went in and killed Hogger in the Stockades, right?
restive sage
when do we get loli race
tropic trail
go play a gnome
rich apex
stahp
tropic trail
although, now im thinking about sentient lollipops as a playable race
worthy minnow
yea fuckin fox
sharp bluff
I think Hogger was said to have got away from stockades, but let me check
worthy minnow
u mean ?
serene cobalt
vulpera?
rich apex
Vulpera are not confirmed
tropic trail
Vulpera have neither been confirmed nor denied
unborn pagoda
Fox race? Its just cosplaying goblins
restive sage
dang
rich apex
That's the real plot twist
tropic trail
but based on how compatible they are with gear, it's pretty likely they'll be playable
serene cobalt
i saw some twicher play with vulpera
rich apex
Turns out the vulpera look like goblins
worthy minnow
yea Maghar werent confirmed but with models..
restive sage
fine with me
worthy minnow
sure are not Vulpera and Sethekk
tropic trail
just goblins in fur suits lol
rich apex
rich apex
But yeah
tropic trail
that's what i said
restive sage
little robot pet c:
tropic trail
I wanted to make ratchet
rich apex
Nothing's been confirmed beyond the current 4 BFA Allied Races
rich apex
or -if- there will be more Allied Races
restive sage
dark iron dwarves is confirmed
worthy minnow
maghar are too
rich apex
Yes
worthy minnow
trolls are
rich apex
That's the 4 BFA races
tropic trail
they seem to be pretty happy with how allied races are playing out, despite the negativity surrounding the kul tirans
sharp bluff
idk just says he is in stockades, i guess if we don't see him in the mission to rescue the troll princess then he is dead
so guess not
tropic trail
I'd bet we'll get more
worthy minnow
tauren , draenei , void , night , kultiran , maghar , vulper , setthek
prob will be
u dont make models for nothing
serene cobalt
maybe murloc too 😃
tropic trail
forgot zandalari
tropic trail
and I still have my doubts on sethrak being playable
sharp bluff
I would kill for murlocs... no really, so many npcs would die for murlocs
tropic trail
I've wanted playable murlocs for so long, but i understand why they'll never be playable, they don't have a female model, and wouldn't play nice with armor
sharp bluff
well look at murky, he has armor on the pet models, can't be to far off
tropic trail
what issues do they have?
serene cobalt
i want to play spider-monster race 😄
tropic trail
nerubian?
serene cobalt
yes
tropic trail
or the spider elves
serene cobalt
😄
worthy minnow
u think u want , but u dont
restive sage
i do
feral shale
Get the 2m mount AND DO IT WITH OTHER PPL THAT HAVE IT
like not me
cuz ima poor guy
unborn pagoda
Female murlocs have just different colours i think..
And blizz never made playable race from them, cuz murloc is smth like ™ © market mark
hollow dock
so is sylvanas. she's a playable race. 🤷
serene cobalt
how can player buy 2m gold price mount
hollow dock
By saving up 2 million gold?
hollow dock
By not spending it all?
serene cobalt
😂
unborn pagoda
And make them? EZ way or hard way, no matter how :D
serene cobalt
i made 12k gold in one week
but i need 300k for Token 😄
and i dont have game time now 😄
slate ingot
has anyone found the currency for Zandalari Effigy Amulet yet
takes something called a counterfit rastakhan mask anyone know lol
dense plover
oh
you have to do a whole trading thing with grifftah
you buy the discarded hearthstones
traade them for a pepper
trade the pepper for something else
eventually you can buy the mask from grifftah
and then buy the amulet
it was found when zandalar came out
tropic trail
yeah, i think nobbel did a video on it a long time ago
rich ocean
https://i.imgur.com/Yg2C7zp.gifv this is way too fun
https://i.imgur.com/VwgYEJ0.gifv i love this too much
opal arch
this week 1 giveaway didnt end yet ?
elder otter
It has ended, yes, just winners haven't been finalized yet. WIP.
tropic trail
haven't looked at DKs at all, can frost use 2h again?
uncut vault
Nope
they easily could, with basically no repercussions, if blizz removed the ability requirements
tropic trail
still annoyed that we didn't just reforge frostmourne for legion, wish 2h frost was back at least
dense plover
yeah
because reforging a soul destroying weapon for the leader of a class who needs their soul is a great idea
deft escarp
Why? Why can't you have the freedom to equip all weapons usable by your spec?
As a fury warrior I hate equipping two-handed weapons
It just looks too silly
deft escarp
What does that even mean?
still lily
@deft escarp it's so things will be different
Homogenization is when everything becomes the same
Why play Fury if Holy paladin could equip double two hands
deft escarp
But they can't?
still lily
Why play resto druid if Feral had the same healing tools
Why play Holy paladin if Prot was a healer/Tank hybrid
deft escarp
All I want is for Fury Warriors to dual-wield one-handed weapons again and Frost DK to wield two-handed weapons
still lily
Homogenization is lack of variety or lack of identity
If you want to dual wield one handers there's plenty of other classes and spec that let you do that
deft escarp
Is that really an issue? Because why then would they remove class-specific raid sets then?
deft escarp
Oh
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Homogenization has nothing to do with weapon choice, especially now, because everyone has unique anims
vale idol
@deft escarp that's a balancing nightmare, especially 1h fury. and even if you say that you don't care about dps I can assure you there will be constant moaning on forums/reddit how 2h fury does more damage (or less) than smf for example
still lily
It partially does. Fury wielding two-handers is part of spec identity
deft escarp
one-handed weapons has increased speed
I mean they're called ''TWO-HANDED WEAPONS'', they shouldn't even be dual-wielded to begin with xD
still lily
that's
the spec's identity
It's their trademark
The ability to dual wield two-handed weapons is part of the spec's identity and if they were to remove it then it'd just be a very angry rogue that wears plate
o3o
fierce crane
Impossible to please everyone
deft escarp
Personally, I think the freedom to equip every weapon that's available for your spec is more important.
Restricting that kinda removes the fantasy of warrior who's supposed to be master at arms
still lily
Fury isn't a master at arms
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I mean if literally is possible to please everyone in this situation
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By letting people use what they want
still lily
Ba dum tss
deft escarp
haha
fierce crane
There are people that would complain if you handed them $20 without strings attached so...
fierce crane
I don't disagree
deft escarp
I think this issue is pretty one-sided. I doubt an Unholy DK would be upset if they saw a Fury Warrior walking around with two one-handed weapons.
deft escarp
Oh yea
sry
But this is more of a visual issue than a gameplay one
I just want to be able to transmog one-handed weapons on my warrior :/
fierce crane
Personally I always dug fist weapons.
Literally nothing else can be mogged with them.
deft escarp
Daggers too, right?
fierce crane
Um I haven't tried tbh.
deft escarp
They should make them both transmogable with each other
A Worgen who isn't using fist weapons is a crime
fierce crane
It's funny how they have claws that never come in handy.
tropic trail
general rule, if it uses a different attack animation it can't be transmogged over your weapon
still lily
Wait
Waaait
Claws of Ursoc
Boom
claw weapon
for worgen
I'll take my money now
fierce crane
I'm just happy that I'll have a druid option that doesn't involve casting as if I was flailing my arms around with.
still lily
Feral and Guardian are both not casters, I don't understand what your message means
tropic trail
I assume he means for races, but even then there was still nelf
fierce crane
True
tropic trail
although the male nelf casting is kinda meh imo
fierce crane
I'll be happy if I never see another elf race tbh.
fierce crane
Soon elves will be the Borg of the Warcraft universe.
tropic trail
except elves are literally one of the most important race groups in the warcraft universe
arguably the most important
so we'll probably see more elf races eventually, and besides, soon we'll have 4 human races as well
fierce crane
Fair 'nuff
deft escarp
So long as they are somewhat unique and have rich lore behind them.
Unlike a certain elf race I could think of 😒
still lily
Yeah I know their importance and personally I want Humans to stop existing o3o
Most boring raaace
deft escarp
I main a human paladin so I have to disagree xD
fierce crane
I like my continued existence.
fierce crane
Inferiority has a smell?
still lily
Yes
meager warren
Gamma's trying to soun clever
and likely trolling
still lily
We've grown accustomed to the stench as we had to adapt to it to sense humaaans
fierce crane
I dunno I'm getting a giggle out of it.
still lily
Nyeeehhhh no more humans 
meager warren
@fierce crane what's ur prof pic of
fierce crane
It's just something I found while digging for artwork when I make character tokens for my D&D game.
fierce crane
Trust me my friend thinks I'm bland for making human characters too.
Free feats are just so juicy.
still lily
Honestly if only Humans had more of an interesting culture
o3o
Then I wouldn't be so salty about their existence
deft escarp
We're talking about WoW humans I hope
meager warren
they arguably have the most interesting culture ever.
just not in WoW
meager warren
deft escarp
I mean, humans kinda came up with the idea ''culture''
fierce crane
Tbh the reason I play them has more to do with being able to insert myself into a characters shoes to understand motivations better.
Some races have just such an alien culture that it's hard for me to contemplate.
deft escarp
Yea same
And I like the lore behind the Knights of the Silver Hand and the Ashbringer
still lily
tfw you relate most to the alien space goats than you do the normal humans
ror
My favourite culture is Draenei culture
fierce crane
I would've made a Worgen Monk if the game would let me ;x
still lily
Second favourite culture is Pandaren culture
Third is Tauren
Do Lightforged and regular have different cultures?
deft escarp
Aren't almost all the WoW races inspired from real life cultures?
fierce crane
Thats pretty much all of fantasy tbh
deft escarp
Yea
fierce crane
They were written by humans so it's natural that they have human qualities to them
still lily
Trolls are african doggos
o3o
To be fair the playable humans are only one subset of all the human cultures on Azeroth
fierce crane
I can fully say I don't want to see another dinosaur again
still lily
So I can't exactly say all human culture is bad
Cause not all of them have been entirely fleshed out tbh
fierce crane
I actually like the way KT is looking at least thematically.
still lily
I love it
It reminds me of like disney kinda o3o
idk
It feels very like
much more high fantasy?
but not really?
Like
It's what I'd expect fantasy middle ages humans to look like
fierce crane
I mean we have a game that has alien demon space ships so a little high fantasy again would be nice.
still lily
Also the fat characters is kinda symbolic of how their neutral status has brought them prosperity o3o
fierce crane
I really dig the male models
still lily
actually same
fierce crane
They really do look the part of being someone you don't want to mess with.
still lily
They kinda remind me of the like very exaggerated westerner look that Frank West had in the dead rising beta
Or again, like western high fantasy hoooomiiiins like you'd see in a disney movie
dusky ginkgo
Oh, the chan is back to talking about lore rather than bfa spoilers? 😄
(Which is good, I am not complaining about that)
fierce crane
Honestly, with the internet it's almost impossible to avoid spoilers anyway.
still lily
I don't know if I want to race change my Draenei Paladin or make a Lightforged priest
thonk
dusky ginkgo
That's the spoiler chan, it's kind of the point. I just mean that before BfA, it was the lair of "Let's argue about lore and stuff" rather than really spoiler-y
fierce crane
I didn't mean this channel in general
dusky ginkgo
*before BfA announcement. Sorry, early morning, not really waked up yet
still lily
Inay gimme your hat
dusky ginkgo
No it's mine.
still lily
dusky ginkgo
(Which hat actually? I don't see one on my avatar D: )
fierce crane
Everyone should have a hat.
dusky ginkgo
She have a gas mask right now, does it count?
fierce crane
My worgen has a monocle and a hat and thus makes him the classiest person.
dusky ginkgo
But she need it not to die
dusky ginkgo
Blight zone
fierce crane
You mean the gas mask prevents the body melting blight from working?
still lily
lol
exaaactly
It's like "I need a gas mask so white phosphorus won't get into my lungs"
dusky ginkgo
The "Breathing the Blight" part
still lily
Like no, white phosphorus is going to just tear through your chest