good luck if you're on eu
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tropic trail
Im on NA. It's not a big deal.
Rp still over here isn't always the most amazing thing.
hollow dock
I was in a small event where I played a dead body
and people literally just walked over us like we weren't anything
tropic trail
Yep, rp lacks respect now. It's utter trash depending on where you play.
hollow dock
this is why I have a dedicated community I play with for RPing
tropic trail
Yeah thats about the only way to do it now. But that can even be a bit toxic.
I can't wait for all the Kultiran rpers.
green umbra
On the German EU Server (Aldor) RP is pretty much everywere. Though the community is pretty toxic
But if you find yourself a good group youre pretty much set
tropic trail
Eh...WRA is bad on Alliance side Elitest and jerks mostly. Horde has it's up and downs. Moonguard is just as bad because they have people or a group who literally think they run the whole server and try to run people off.
hollow dock
Oh I dont even use retail for rp
tropic trail
Probably a blessing if you ask me.
green umbra
Ye you have that here too. Was a stormwind guard guild before, now its mainly a Paladin/Priest Guild and the noble guilds
They are just ... everywhere
And they think they own the server. They think if the are gone ... there will be no RP anymore
tropic trail
MG the biggest issue are the "House of Nobles" People who harass people because they dislike them or the way they rp. It's very bad and they have ran off many people frmo the server because things didn't got there way. I wouldn't be surprised if some were in this discord so I hope they see it and see how toxic they are. But hoping with BFA it brings some good rpers back once more.
green umbra
Yea ... im excited for that Boralus RPing 😄 Im in a privateer RP Group 😄
I hope it doesnt suck ... but if I remember the community ... it propably will
tropic trail
City is pretty big from what I have heard and seen. So I am looking forward to seeing all the edgy rp!
tropic trail
Eh, as someone who had to deal with them because someone got butt hurt cause I told his girlfriend she was useless during a rp fight and got all huffy and puffy about it. Also tried to force a gm to step down from her spot harassing her to the point she also left the server...
So you tell me.
rich ocean
Oh port you from moonguard?
tropic trail
He seem's like he is. His name is very familiar.
Then again I could be wrong but I swear I have seen his short butt running around once in a while.
rich ocean
Thought I knew it somewhere. And yeah sadly I learned the bad side of moonguard. Gf and I got hit with allegations and they stuck bad. So here I am forever tainted.
Stress I was put under forced us apart and now we have broken up. Kinda weird still being an icly couple but ooc no longer a thing.
hollow dock
that's why I just stick to my 'community' away from retail.
tropic trail
Yeah they get pretty bad, they have people in their who do nothing more then just troll you and tell people not to rp with you cause of shit. It's why even though I still rp there it's not nearly as often. And yeah it's stressful on MG the people can either be amazing or just total dicks. It's why I have blocked anyone to do with HoN, and if any of them harass me like they did at first I will just take more screenshots and so on. They all think they are tough cause it's like the biggest amount of people ever.. But sometimes there is those in HoN who realize just how disgustingly horrible it is. It's sad how power hungry people are in a game and wish to ruin other people.
It's funny cause the ones who know how horrible it is, is the people who basically run it. They wont say anything of course ebcause they don't wanna get shit for it. Shrug I don't care if any of them see this now. None of them will find my toons or their names as I have changed them alland my Bnet just to not be around them Sad isn't it?
rich ocean
Yeah, it really hit me hard the baseless allegations. Was almost enough to make me quit wow for the first time. But yeah ToA this year I will be donating lots to try and help myself. Also BFA looks really good for RP. And I am sad boralus will never be used for rp other then the kultiran guild. I really wish the rp community would move hubs. Stormwind being the main rp hub is so boring... Boralus is amazing!
But the enemy NPCs i n it, and difficulty for low levels to get there... It will be impossible to get a mass move of rpers... I almost wish stormwind was the one getting destroyed and no bronze dragon. So the rp community would be forced to move to a new nicer place.
But yeah port I'm sure I've seen you around... Gnome from a guild named gear something? Also house of nobles is still very much a thing and power is badly given by it sometimes.
I had a guard guild that I told them about a void beast in the city, the beast actually showed up. They went to arrest it and it fleed so I cast a spell on it knocking it down. I was forced to leave. Checked next day and they literally just let it go. They refused to say why. A week later they finally just said."its illegal, kill on sight in the city, so feel free to hunt it down and kill it." Then why did you let it go?
tropic trail
I feel it will be plenty of people still going there and rping. I have no doubt in my mind that Kul'tiran rpers will be the main focus but it's a great place for events to take place and go further. Yeah low levels is an issue but also look at it this way. No low level trolls running around like in Stormwind. Which as is, is a really big issue with trolls and the none stop annoying pvpers who jump around and troll as they have nothing better to do. I hope with Warmode that takes a lot of them away so I don't have to look at them. Rp is lame sometimes, always is nice when you have people who are great. It's hard finding a decent group that lasts but I play Horde as of lately and I'm just gonna walk around as a beef cake Zandalari. 👌
uncut vault
I know we've done it way too many times but
the cultists are channeling again
to june 12th
tropic trail
Could be a prepatch event then
abstract trench
anyone have any screenshots from the new capital city/ies?
mortal pewter
isn't pre-patch a bit early?
mortal pewter
i haven't tested island expeditions yet in beta 😦
rich ocean
So blizzard was super bullshitting when they said "the cultists mean nothing that is just the max cast time" right?
not really, june july, 2 months
with 2 big scenarios, aswell as a few questl ines, could easily be 2 months worth of pre-patch
as aparently there will be world quests in both the zones aswell so prepatch could be 12th
uncut vault
with two scenarios as big as teldrassil and lordaeron, I can easily see teldrassil coming on the 12th, and lordaeron being in july
with sword stuff in between, like our quests with khadgar for the prepatch of legion between broken shore and teleportation of dalaran
tropic prairie
I haven't played too much since WoD, but I always heard Emerald Dream had a better RP community than the normal RP servers. I enjoyed the RP on Emerald Dream back when I was RP'ing.
The PvP aspect probably weeds out a lot of the elitist carebears.
steel venture
Emerald Dream is now trash.
It's filled with PvP-diehards that don't even RP now, a lot of ED RPers jumped ship and bailed to MG or WRA.
tropic trail
Yeah issue with the servers now is.. We have Mg players going to wra and wra players going to MG which is basically making both communities trashy as hell. Meaning we have elitest from one server and toxic people who wanna run people off the server on another. It's horrible but for a chance to meet more people MG probably is the better side to go. Or do as I do MG, is Alliance and Wra, is for Horde.
devout wagon
WrA has a lot of trashy PvPers who hang around Rpers and make fun of them.
tropic trail
Mg is the same way they all hang around the cathedral. All of them are trashy and all of them need to be removed off the server for their trolling and foul mouths.
uncut vault
2012 called, they want their MoP era whining back lmao
tropic trail
totally the wrong server for this, but rp servers being the topic at hand, how would you recommend someone get into rp if they have minimal to no rp experience.
uncut vault
Just make sure you've got proper grammar, and sit around the city and observe people till you want to join in
try to have a general idea for a character
frigid crater
tropic trail
Just go about finding an Rp server whatever faction you wanna be on.. Look around in main cities as thats where you will generally find the most rp. Be super Edgy everyone loves edge.
rich ocean
Winning PvP ring at ToA is bassicly impossible cause most of the people who show are hardcore pvpers who dont even rp and do it for the gold. I think last years warlock winner was an actual rper though. Couldn't tell as he was horde.
But its obvious when like 9/12 winners all wear goggles...
Anyone can compete that's fine, just feels abit sucky that it seems people winning arnt even actual rpers.
I'm gunna try to compete this year, I'm also donating quite a lot so we shall see.
tropic trail
Yeah, that's the shitty part. And when they do rp it's not even real rp either. It's them screwing around. And it's BS they end up knowing like 2 people and everyone else just knows them as the pvper who run around doing nothing.
limber mural
Have they fixed the stat squish affecting old content yet?
Cause that's rather concerning to me
mortal pewter
last i checked the stat squish is intentional
cinder knoll
yes
mortal pewter
and sadly it's what Blizzard wants
cinder knoll
when squish got out, people couldnt solo some harder content anymore, like pandas, maybe even some cata and wotlk
mortal pewter
they think us doing millions in damage is too much
cinder knoll
I remember Hazel was doing a video about it? and she got stuck on ICC first boss
or something like that
was just too hard
mortal pewter
it's basically like being back in Vanilla again
to say the least
so enjoy the 2.5 months we have left of the damage we currently do eveeryone, because once BfA goes live it goes bye-bye
still lily
I have people in my guild that regularly go on tyrades about old raid content being easy now
If they're making a change like this to please people like them then I'm sad
terse plank
...Uh, I am very certain that the stat squish making older content harder is entirely unintentional.
true matrix
yeah it's definitely not supposed to do that
terse plank
Blizzard have even been going back to change some mechanics to make it soloable and not an absolute pain where necessary so you don't just fail, like Gorefiend's death mechanic
heavy cairn
stat squish should help further balance old content, not make it harder, but yea it has the potential to be harder if they overlook certain things
terse plank
A stat squish shouldn't affect any of the content balancing of older content. It's to help make things more readable from a cosmetic perspective.
heavy cairn
I think it will, actually, since currently there's a huge gap in stats from what you get at cata/pandaria level 90 and what draenor expects of level 90s
it's meant to be linear from 1-110 in the new system, yes?
terse plank
It's an unintentional side effect if any of the balancing changes
If you mean that it's balancing ilvl jumps though then yes
heavy cairn
yea that's what I meant
terse plank
There should be very little jumping between endgame content of an expansion and the immediate expansion afterward and such, as well as raid tiers.
hollow dock
I mean. WoDs stat squish made previously soloble cata heroic raids no longer so due to low health and damage.
still lily
I mean keeping it uniform makes it less daunting
Ya know?
Like if we were at ILevel heckfinity
People would be discouraged and intimidated
Ya know?
I guess you don't know
;w;
still lily
Diablo is an entirely different audience tho tbh
hollow dock
Big numbers are what they are: big numbers. Its a buncha extra 0s attached to the end.
sullen dagger
man i'm seeing it in the future
if leveling now it's a real pain in the ass, when the stat squish come it's going to be a laughing riot
still lily
@sullen dagger what do you mean by that
sullen dagger
that it's going to take even longer to level up
and the mobs are going to hit a lot harder
well see how the dungs are mnaged
i'm leveling an alt r/n, and i'm at lvl 72
and it's horrible
uo to lvl 60 it was very okay
but man, northend is a real pain
still lily
Northrend questing is just a bunch of questionable content
limber mural
Haven't we seen this before on the first stat squish
Community is outraged
Blizz say 'no this is intentional'
Community is outraged more
Blizz caves and puts a 1000% dmg multi on old adds
hollow dock
That's why I stick to BC leveling
They did that to the raids
and it was based on ilvl
not anything else. So that won't affect leveling
sullen dagger
bc leveling is better?¿
i'd have supposed that northend, being a latter xpac would be better
hollow dock
For me personally, BC is much better than Wrath past HFP
strange falcon
i've done BC too many times,so i'd rather go to Wrath for change of scenery when i'm leveling now
viscid pollen
Just FYI: You can level thru Northrend 70+ by Kara soloing, its broken.
strange falcon
farming thrash mobs in the kharazan raid(the tbc one)
sage tapir
specifically the trash around attumen
oblique wharf
anyone who's got beta, is old content still soloable? also can you still mog artifact appearances cross-spec?
tropic trail
Yes these are things I'd like to know
hollow dock
You have never been able to, nor will you ever be capable of, mogging your artifact apperances cross-spec. They are still spec locked for the reason that they are -spec- based.
Old Content isn't really what people are testing and the numbers fixes have not been applied so right now the data is insignificant.
Pre-patch is when the squish will be coming in so you should certainly be testing it yourself when that hits the PTR in roughly a week or so
tropic trail
Ah so you can't mog any other artifact weapons? Can't mog doom hammer to be like my weapon on my paladin or something?
sharp bluff
Yep do guardian druids are in trouble with the claws
And frost DK are stuck with dual wielding
To use those transmog
tropic trail
Lmao that's really lame.
Well sucks to suck cause no way in hell am I going back to a 2handed mace for my holy paladin
sharp bluff
Indeed
oblique wharf
You have never been able to, nor will you ever be capable of, mogging your artifact apperances cross-spec.
this isn't true, there was a post on reddit during the alpha where an arms warrior was able to mog the fury artifact as their weapon, hence why i asked. but thanks for the info anyway
sage tapir
that's a possible bug
hollow dock
Yes that was in fact a bug.
sage tapir
but they have said that appearances with remain spec locked
hollow dock
If you have kept attention to the QnA's, they have confirmed that it will remain specl ocked
spec locked*
sage tapir
but there's a lot of complaining about it
tropic trail
I mean it's kinda dumb if you ask me. At the same time I am like alright.. prefer being able to mog my gear and weapons to whatever I want given even now I dont use any of my artifacts aside from my apaladins Cm Prot and Ret stuff and my prot warriors stuff cause they are the only ones I feel are worth it.
oblique wharf
it really annoys me that frost has to DW
hollow dock
You haven't been capable of mogging your class-locked weapons/armor
It's only annoying because its a loss of choice
oblique wharf
the spec makes so much more sense even lore wise to use a two-hander XD
oblique wharf
it has but i wish it swapped weapons with unholy
sage tapir
2h was always a tuning issue
tropic trail
Yeah...this all sounds really dumbbbbbbb.. Would love to Holy paladin with like doomhammer and my tower shield.. Just for how dumb it'd look
hollow dock
Well there are programs that help you do that.
oblique wharf
that would be too much fun. blizzard delete anything that is fun
sharp bluff
I know it makes sense, but I miss my 2h frost days Vris, it just looked cool to me
oblique wharf
i guess an /s was necessary xD
hollow dock
You can still slap a 2hander on. just dont expect to compete. Like the old days
tropic trail
Yeah I miss it also.
tropic trail
Sucks when they force you to use certain weapons.
oblique wharf
You can still slap a 2hander on
i thought all frost skills required dual-wielding?
sharp bluff
Yep
sharp bluff
The important ones
oblique wharf
so... the ones that you do damage with? XD
hollow dock
Can still HB
sage tapir
yeah you can use remorseless winter and howling blast lmao
hollow dock
LikeI said, you can fufill that fantasy. Just dont expect to compete. Just like the old days when 2h was always inferior to DW
sage tapir
it was never drastically inferior
oblique wharf
Sucks when they force you to use certain weapons
in reality there would always be a better choice of the two, but in my opinion dual wielding never fit DK anyway
hollow dock
DW is iconic to DKs o=
sage tapir
so it's good that it's gone really
sage tapir
just like that donkey crap that was smf warrior
oblique wharf
Arthas was the most iconic frost DK and he used a 2H
hollow dock
That's why I specified the third generation
sage tapir
except arthas isn't a frost dk
hollow dock
since arthas is a very special case of being a second generation vampiric blade user
oblique wharf
he was a death knight, before he became the lich king
hollow dock
Yes. Of the second generation
sage tapir
but not a frost death knight
hollow dock
before the archetype of DK we came to play in hte game existed
sage tapir
not the kind we have today
hollow dock
^
steel venture
Yea. Arthas MADE the new archetypes and made it so 3rd gens dont get screwed without their runeblades.
Frost being like him is more coincidence than anything. It also only more recently adopted a lot of his spells. Yknow. Post-death of Arthas.
hollow dock
Oh they still do lose a substantial amount of power for the runeblade loss, but we aren't entirely dead in the water
steel venture
Arthas being second gen is why it was so important in Halls of Reflection to try and keep him from Frostmourne---and yea I know, unlike a second gen they can make a new runeblade just fine though.
Instead of be totally bound to their blade.
meager warren
All DK specs have some powers of the Lich King.
hollow dock
yup. since generation three was made in his image
tropic trail
any1 knows if the crawgs are tameable?
dense plover
yes
meager warren
dank
mint arch
how dank though?
hollow dock
to dank for weebs
sharp bluff
crawgs are tamable? for real? @dense plover
I may have to rethink my active pet list....
meager warren
@terse patrol you were called
uncut vault
I am unironically looking forward to all the blood troll RPers
Gonna make great villains
rich apex
I still want a blood troll Allied Race
I know it makes no sense
But they have a great model
uncut vault
I’d settle for some bloody tattoo style options on trolls
Cause darkspear in general need tats
dense plover
yes
meager warren
i'd love the blood troll as allied race too but it'd probably be better to put all the options for blood trolls on darkspear
dense plover
what would be ironic about what i said?
meager warren
did you mean no
hasty elbow
anyone able to pick this quest atm in beta? http://bfa.wowhead.com/news=284516/horde-war-campaign-part-3-the-marshals-grave-spoilers
i saw the quest available at nathanos but once accept the quest just gone from quest log.... o.O
dense plover
you need revered
rate of rep gain is shit
and the world quests are buggy
im gonna try again in a few builds once its more polished
hasty elbow
oh wow thank you
im still honored
i though i have to leveling the new one all the way to 120 again :S
hollow dock
ah so the war campaign is Suramar 2.0
uncut vault
War campaign in general is bugged now
Stage 2 and beyond, quests don’t show up in the log or map
strange falcon
you did xd
hollow dock
So how is this any worse?
hollow dock
You missed certain interactions with the lore characters. But nothing more than the formeralliance/horde stories that existed in other expacs.
dense plover
its like two unique questlines
but the rep grind wont be that bad
its just buggy right now
even when you can get stage 2 to work, the quests dont give rep
when they normally would
i think it will give rep so it will only take one or two emissaries per rep step
hollow dock
that's much better than suramar
sharp bluff
oh that is indeed much better
dense plover
and the ffirst few quests such as setting up outposts occur as a thing during leveling and require no rep prereq
theres supposed to be more outposts that you earn over time via the mission table
but its very buggy
slate ingot
I'm glad I got the war campaign done then lol
Granted it was a pain in the ass with the broke tracking
Is the Alliance War campaign updated yet or working more compared to previous build
hasty elbow
i wish they make the quest that have us travel to the middle of great sea and diving to the shipwreck available again 😦
dense plover
its bugged
and unfinished
it isnt unavailable
the unlock requirement is unlisted and buggy
hasty elbow
i see
slate ingot
You mean the Derek proudmoore quests?
hasty elbow
yes
slate ingot
That place was a nightmare
I hated doing those with a bloody passion, it was buggy with no tracking it was dark as all shit with the light even on
hasty elbow
i just asked a friend of mine who kept the last quest
she said that the quest is fixed and work fined o.o
slate ingot
I've done the entire horde war campaign and that part by far was the worst. And it works
There's just no quest tracking
dense plover
it is not fixed
the quest works
but there is no tracking
and the skeleton tracking is buggy
slate ingot
So you can't tell where anything is unless you manually search and that is the worst environment to do it in
dense plover
yep
it will have tracking eventually
probably not specific markers
but generic area markers
slate ingot
I mean it's darkness turned to 11 and being told here you go find some random objectives with out any sort of guidance and you can't read the quest text when I did it at the time there was none
slate ingot
I mean it gets better after the Derek proudmoore bit in the water. But in the campaign as a whole that one by far was the worst to do.
And at the end you get 1000 rep from the honorbound and 1500 azerite after doing all of the campaign
dense plover
i dont think it will be that bad on live
slate ingot
Probably not that bad on live. The water effects and the horizon are gorgeous
It's just its way to fucking dark
dense plover
i dont think the darkness will be that bad with quest tracking
and increasing the brightness of the lamp
slate ingot
No it won't. The lamp brightness is like 3 yards in a circle around you its not much of I remember i could be wrong tho
slate ingot
Basically you see random lights swimming around if you look from a top down view its kinda funny and yeah and increased radius would help
hasty elbow
hope the quest will be back for test soon, I really keen for this quest and really wanna know what actually happened in the quest line 🤔
slate ingot
The tldr of the quest is basically you take the Captain's Log from the previous quest line you go to the wreckage search several shipwrecks and you find two dead people one being Valentine and the other being Derek proudmoore
However Valentine doesn't even last into the next Quest series if you search through my images from the War campaign I believe I posted the picture of what happens but it's a spoiler if I discuss it
hasty elbow
would you give me the link please? i would love to see those images(especially the quest text if there's any at all)
slate ingot
Of what happens to Valentine or the follow-up Quest
hasty elbow
the quest that require us to reach him under the sea
slate ingot
Yeah I dumped it on the Discord you have to search for it but basically I dumped everything that I took a screenshot of from the war campaign on to the BFA beta spoilers Channel about 2 weeks ago I think it was now
hasty elbow
ah
slate ingot
But basically the storm song part is up here the final quest and the underwater portion as well as drustvar
Basically took screenshots of everything after tiragarde
hasty elbow
but tbh what make me keen(and curious) about lore in the quest are valentine and derek appeared as normal human and don't have forsaken skin or being skeleton and the dragon that we fight before grab those two back.
hasty elbow
http://bfa.wowhead.com/quest=52773/water-breathing-dragon i was wonder if the red dragon try to raised them?
slate ingot
keep in mind we don't find the wreckage right after drustvar we need a tidesage
hence
hasty elbow
hm i though we go to drustvar for that brother zelling
slate ingot
You dont
you go to stormsong
and the broadcast text related to valentine related to valentine post grab and go
basically hes raised then well. RIP
hasty elbow
i guess none of the families in azeroth will have a reunion without one of them being undead then lol
slate ingot
im assuming he didnt rot because of the dragon but blizzard logic too
but it is confirmed atleast form current quest text kul'tiran fleet is superior to horde + zandalari
dense plover
it could just be they reused his model since it might appear in a cutscene or something?
slate ingot
that may be
dense plover
or it could be a placeholder
slate ingot
either PH or a reused model. but atleast I figured out why they go steal an artifact from boralus helps to read
tropic trail
the zand boats we saw in mop really weren't that impressive tbh
not a surprise that the KT fleet is stronger
slate ingot
yeah, but the horde and zandalari fleet together?
tropic trail
the horde fleet got hit by genn in stormheim
terse patrol
Forsaken fleet*
tropic trail
which is part of the horde fleet
slate ingot
thats true. forgot about that. though with them having a powerful tidesage artifact what are the chances that zeiling betrays the horde
harsh canyon
Horde fleet and Forsaken fleet should be different
I feel like Horde Navy doesn't mix as well
tropic trail
horde don't really even have any harbors, I'm not even sure where their boats are coming from
harsh canyon
Horde is a collection of states with various Navies mixed. Alliance is a unionized connection where Stormwind has most of the boats
Night Elves only got Transports
slate ingot
I mean outside of the orcish fleet
I never really thought too much about the horde navy
dense plover
well according to the book, the alliance heavily relies on the night elf flee
and its a large chunk of their combat force
harsh canyon
The Forsaken Fleet is mostly Lorderons fleet really
dense plover
no it isnt
tropic trail
so with the burning of teldrassil the alliance navy might not be doing so hot either then
harsh canyon
Yeah, It's called Refurbishing
dense plover
thats why they have names that are forsaken
you dont rename when you refurbish
and there is no evidence for what you are saying
harsh canyon
You take People of Lorderon, Refurbish with plague
slate ingot
yeah, and with the horde arming up with a tidesage + powerful artifact that we dont know what it does the horde seems to be arming up against the KT+alliance fleet
harsh canyon
You get Forsaken
slate ingot
8.1 naval battles anyone? stretch
dense plover
you literally have no evidence for where those boats are from
im fairly sure they are new boats
harsh canyon
Nah Manaless
tropic trail
so getting boats was the goal of reaching out to zand and KT, but do we actually see any naval battles?
dense plover
especially because in stormheim they talk about them being new
harsh canyon
They need to make a new game for that
dense plover
also, wooden boats dont last that long and stay in good condition
harsh canyon
Oh yeah, They made new not rotting ships
tropic trail
they do if you maintain them
slate ingot
I mean i think its more implied in the follower missions and no there arent atleast on the horde side
harsh canyon
The old Forsaken fleet is Lorderons old fleet
Hence why they are as rotten as the owners
slate ingot
however getting a tide sage is a huge advantage when it comes to naval dominance it seems
dense plover
the boats arent rotten
its an aesthetic
they are viable in combat
and again
stormheim
slate ingot
does the forsaken even have a fleet left lol
hollow dock
Yes?
dense plover
yes
harsh canyon
hollow dock
its not even a good meme
dense plover
no
its obnoxius
youre just posting memes because you can
which will get you a warning from a mod in all likelyhood
harsh canyon
I would call you the man who hates Barrens chat... But I doubt you old enough to know Barrens chat besides WoW nostalgia vids
dense plover
and?
so now you are trying to insult me?
good for you?
at least i know when to use youre
also, everyone hates barrens chat
thats why it no longer exists
and guess what bro?
this isnt barrens chat
if you want barrens chat, go into the barrens 8 years ago
too bad you need a time machine
strange falcon
barrens chat was a meme machine
dense plover
i would happily send you one if i had one
harsh canyon
No you wouldn't
dense plover
just so you would be 8 years away
harsh canyon
I would probably just wait 8 years to bant you again
dense plover
thats not even a word
harsh canyon
You clearly do not know enough of the world still young one
harsh canyon
I like how you think maturity matters
tranquil steeple
Leeeeeet's just try to put this behind us and keep the channel used for it's intended purpose, yes?
dense plover
exactly
sharp bluff
So what are the chances we see some of the most dreaded thing in video games this xpac?
dense plover
such as?
harsh canyon
Lootboxes?
sharp bluff
Underwater stages!
dense plover
0%
sharp bluff
we already have the underwater corpse hunt
hollow dock
not after Vash'jir
harsh canyon
I think they will try it again
sharp bluff
ahhh can't blame them
sharp bluff
can only name one or 2 games taht have done underwater right, wow was not one of them
harsh canyon
Aethstetic
hollow dock
Yea. What's the point of being underwater if it snot to swin?...
harsh canyon
Doi
dense plover
there is no aesthetic though
you can just raise an island
probably what will happen in 8.1
with the naga
dense plover
i think it would have more coral
and some vashjir-esque structures but above the water
hollow dock
flattened kelp mounds too
dense plover
yea
harsh canyon
Not having moonwalking water physics
Not having cool underwater ideas/designs without needing to have them die from being above water
Being scared of the deep
Lapdogs
All of you!
dense plover
who says they have to be dead?
magic
also, they wont do one
and there is heavy evidence an island will be raised north of nazmir
they had something there
and then it was erased
sharp bluff
could do it like GW2 did for the raised island, lots of coral, though the buildings would be nicer, naga don't strike me as wanting to let their buildings crumble
dense plover
i mean
im pretty sure nazjatar is a naga-fied elven ruin
maybe some old god stuff
harsh canyon
All the eggsacs
sharp bluff
so debatable how it turned out
dense plover
they dont have eggsacs
harsh canyon
Also, Just let me go back underwater
dense plover
they have those tanks
harsh canyon
Pros only
hollow dock
We're not really scared of the deep.
harsh canyon
No noobs
hollow dock
It induces literal vertigo on people
terse patrol
Every old god has been in a titan facility so far
sharp bluff
just non DK and non forsaken can't breath underwater
dense plover
can you stop with the obnoxius non-content nonsense you keep spewing?
hollow dock
Like jeesus Vash'jir was poorly designed
dense plover
you are literally just spewing to spew
terse patrol
So I assume maybe theres a titan facility under Nazjatar or near it
dense plover
nah
terse patrol
Where Nzoth is
dense plover
well
sharp bluff
well the underwater portion of legion was not that bad, at least I thought
dense plover
no its likely nzoth is partially under broken shore
little bits of underwater are fine
hollow dock
Nazjatar is near the Maelstroms center isnt it?
dense plover
maybe?
harsh canyon
N'zoths territory was no where near it
terse patrol
hard to say
terse patrol
The map of azeroth is
harsh canyon
N'zoth would actually be more likely to be under Zuldizar
terse patrol
kinda always changing
dense plover
nzoth is supposedly very near broken shore
and tomb of sargeras was built on top of a titan facility
we dont know what that facility is
hollow dock
I think it used to house N'zoth personally and either he moved or it was moved by a different force.
Like maybe Yogg-saron who was in control of Ulduar effectively.
dense plover
i think it might be part of the prison
just not the entire thing
we dont know the size of nzoth
maybe there are multiple parts of the prison
and multiple locks
hollow dock
While that is true, if we go by the territory maps
harsh canyon
Why N'zoth alone? He was the weakest of the Old Gods?
hollow dock
He was the weakest butmost cunning of all the old gods.
dense plover
hes the only one we havent faced yet
hollow dock
And arguably he's also the smallest old god of all four
dense plover
and he has caused most of our old god problems
nightmare, deathwing, naga
just to name a few
hasty elbow
with N'zoth gonna came out soon, i wonder if we will get to see Ny'alotha in this expac 🤔
harsh canyon
Yeah, But that just means he is doing it from his tiny weakly guarded prison most likely
dense plover
either in this expac or as part of the next
hollow dock
None of the old god prisons are light on the protections
dense plover
we literally know nothing about his prison
harsh canyon
Compared to the others, I would think the only one more lightly guarded is the Heart of Y'saarj
dense plover
its the only one we know nothing about
terse patrol
I heard a theory that Azshara might turn on Nzoth (in her mind), and steal his power. Ofc, that would be #justasplanned. But I doubt that will happen.
hollow dock
Something to note Peach, the Maiden of Vitality did report all titan facilities having outbreaks
rich apex
It was intact until we started murdering each other and letting him feed on our hate
hollow dock
including 2 we've never heard of.
dense plover
oh yeah
hollow dock
So it's very possible that he's free by now
dense plover
but still
rich apex
That or something something azerite
dense plover
we dont know the condition of his prison
not to mention how the sword affected cthun
harsh canyon
Zomb'thun
rich apex
That
terse patrol
I want Azshara to turn on the Old Gods due to Azerite and be like
rich apex
is the big question
harsh canyon
Zombie Old Gods
rich apex
Since Chronicle says C'thun is dead
terse patrol
“WHY CANT I RULE”
rich apex
Zombie C'thun would make for a good pre-finale boss
hollow dock
C'thun is defeated. C'thun is very much active until the Woundening
hollow dock
now he's just gone.
harsh canyon
Fleshy Mecha Old Gods
terse patrol
For all we know, C’thun is taking an Azerite bath atm. @hollow dock
harsh canyon
COMBINE
hollow dock
None of the old gods are 'dead' dead
dense plover
ugh
hollow dock
except Y'shaarj
dense plover
please stop spewing
hollow dock
D=
dense plover
<@&299347348847329281> Zyliee isnt contributing anything
rich apex
Could've sworn C'thun is more dead than Yoggy or N'zoth
dense plover
theyre just being a pain
hollow dock
Nope! Like we dealt with Yoggy, we dealt with C'thun. We defeated the physical manifestation that managed to breach the surface
harsh canyon
I'm contributing ideas and theories that are more jovile in nature that you are taking with a vial of acid
hollow dock
but otherwise, the old god still lives.
dense plover
you arent contributing anything of value
you are spewing nonsense that isnt possibly valid
hollow dock
That is until the Woundening.
harsh canyon
Of value 'to you'
dense plover
of value to anyone
hollow dock
Now we have no idea what state he's in.
dense plover
what vris said
hollow dock
He and Yogg held similar sized Territories
dense plover
the only one we know is dead is yshaarj
hollow dock
so I can theorize that they are possibly of similar size, so we should be seeing old god bits in Silithus
but oddly we don't.
dense plover
which means the sword probably did some serious damage to cthun
harsh canyon
Maybe, But not to the main body...
hollow dock
now something else does come to mind.
harsh canyon
Unless we didn't kill the main body in the raid
dense plover
we didnt
hollow dock
It is stated that Yogg-saron is about the size of Northrend.
hollow dock
But did it ever state that Yogg is fully underneath and spread outwards under northrend?
dense plover
no
hollow dock
or is it all stretched downwards to the planets core?
dense plover
but yogg has influence in stormwind doesnt it?
wasnt there that hole whispers in stormwind thing?
and the control thing means the old god has to be spread out at least that far
harsh canyon
You know, Now I want to post C'thun or Yogg replacing supermodel bodies, But I am gonna be shouted for not contributing by the moraldunce here so never mind.
hollow dock
AS it is stated, Y'shaarj was the largest and most powerful but ultimately the hole he left after being torn out is quite small compared to what the size he is supposed to be.
So Im thinking these guys aren't flat underthe ground, but stretched downwards.
hollow dock
So C'thun is very possibly all underneath AQ stretching down to the bubble that holds our titan soul
hollow dock
Which just better explains why we dont see any bits of the old god in Silithus. Just a theory and all.
dense plover
or the sword burned it
so it was cauterized and didnt bleed
or it was immediately vaporized
hollow dock
yea that too.
hollow dock
and we do know that it has either pierced the core or gotten dangerously close to it
sharp bluff
I think the closest guess would be the shape of a Sarlacc from Star Wars
Spreads sorta every direction
But mostly down
hollow dock
that is actually perfect
likea very good explanation/comparison for my theory. thank you zep!
dense plover
i think its more like this
sharp bluff
Should be alright to post an example pic?
My guess is like that
Many smaller mouths leading off
sharp bluff
But one big body mass in the middle
meager warren
my guess is a lot more tentacles
sharp bluff
Oh a lot more
terse patrol
Any idea if we have a new build tomorrow
sharp bluff
I’m probably way off peach, but the way I see it is sort of like a seed that spreads out reaching as far as it can, like the image above
No rush
dense plover
like this
big wide mass that goes down a decent ways
and then large tentacles burrowing in to azeroth herself possibly
at least pre-prison
sharp bluff
Like a jellyfish 🤔
dense plover
especially considering crystalsong forest
and the tree in grizzly hills
both had roots that dug into yoggs body
causing them to become corrupt and die
well
grizzly hills one was killed because it was corrupt
and would die
i think
but same general idea
the body of yogg has to at least cover the entirety of northrend
or world trees there would not be an issue
sharp bluff
I think it would probably be a mix between both your and mine peach, wide body but tentacles in all directions
dense plover
thats reasonable
sharp bluff
I think so, but would they all be the same?
dense plover
no
definitely no
cthun is too different visually
though i wouldnt be surprised if the body structure was maybe similar?
maybe its more directly down
meager warren
Ghunn might be different too
dense plover
or like trees?
central mass is small
but roots go deep and out
ghuun is totally different
ghuun is just a bloated worm
meager warren
o
dense plover
yeah
but he is a big worm
no tentacles, not directly
it comes from the blood
it controls stuff through plague
it is so different from all the other old gods, there is no fair comparrison
hollow dock
tis a mouth and a stomach.
meager warren
what old god/ loa do the blood trolls worship/ revere?
hollow dock
G'huun
meager warren
o
tulip sun
Does Jaina actually reunite with someone? o.o
tropic trail
Her mother
uncut vault
tropic trail
Thicc
uncut vault
Very unfinished but we are getting the cloaks
uncut vault
Yes
tropic trail
Isn’t that the warfront armor?
hollow dock
YAS QUEEN
tropic trail
Plate rank 3?
uncut vault
That color variation is elite armor but the normal and silver ones are warfront rank 3
I was more showing off the cloak that got added
uncut vault
It’s not finished but over the shoulder assets are being added in
The one right there is elite RBGs/arenas, the other two are just high level warfronts, we assume
ruby star
XD
dawn wolf
What’s the horde variant look like
dawn wolf
Insert distant reeing here
sharp bluff
Gonna take longer for horde probably, got make it look good on more upper body types
Alliance have humanoid and worgen upper bodys
Horde have hunch, no hunch, and moocow backs
tropic trail
that plate set with a proper paladin hammer would look awesome
I might have to level a human paladin
hollow dock
I'm just imainging that set
on my DK. With Admiral Taylors sword
<#333333333333333333333333333333
Hey @uncut vault Where did you find that set of armor?
uncut vault
Wowhead reported it months ago, but that pic is from one of their dataminers Twitter, showing off the unfinished cloak
Can just search warfront plate on wowhead and find it
hollow dock
nah human. Nelf everything else.
sharp bluff
Mmmm then transmog would look sick
hollow dock
For once in our lives we get to look like actual high ranking officiers of the alliance. IN HAYCH DEEE
sharp bluff
Indeed, well except if your worgen
hollow dock
I dont think horde would want a shoulder cloak
gets in the way of their orc shoulders
uncut vault
You guys are implying they’re gonna fit the cloaks perfectly for anything that isn’t humans
sharp bluff
well should look fine on the elves
well maybe not female belfs, nothing ever works on them
well it is not cape, but the top color
that would look nice on a horde DK
restive sage
can you make an uprighjt orc currently
sharp bluff
in beta? or live?
restive sage
beta
hollow dock
Itll be on the PTR soon enough Zep
restive sage
😄
sharp bluff
thanks Vris but lord was the guy asking lol
restive sage
is there a beta ptr
hollow dock
So either tomorrow/Wednesday or next week. Maybe. If we're optimistic
terse patrol
@hollow dock ye, makes sense to test the prepatch for a couple weeks before the official prepatch launch.
sharp bluff
mmm can't wait for the 2 pre patch mounts
uncut vault
I can’t wait for the two prepatch MONTHS
tropic trail
legions prepatch was actually pretty good with the invasions, maybe BfAs prepatch will also be able to hold players attention beyond a week or 2
sharp bluff
I kinda wish the invasions where back, loved the xp
I think I leveld 3 toons just on them
dapper cosmos
I'm hoping we'll be getting something that can similarly be abused in the BfA pre-patch.
sharp bluff
would be nice, but since they effect world post 110, I wont get my hopes up
terse patrol
they wont do it because of allied races sadly
hollow dock
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
unborn pagoda
@hollow dock i hope for 20lvl warfronts too, but propably nothing will happend, Blizzurd dont let "f2p started accounts" do it 😭 😭 😭 😭
(my case of playing)
hollow dock
They let invasions go for levels 10 and up
Im just hoping they give us a fast way to level this prepatch
dapper cosmos
I mean
you could do the invasion at level 1
just didn't get any quest till level 10 😛
unborn pagoda
I dont care about fast leveling :D
Yop, i know, i missed all these yummy felforged gear, cuz i arent play when Legion pre-patch hits
hollow dock
It was all scaled at level 10 so you'd die pretty quick at level 1. Don't remember if you gotmuch XP for anything though
wild pewter
Are we expecting a build this week?
hollow dock
For beta? maybe
hollow dock
Prepatch will have teldrassil and Undercity and I believe Arathi warfronts.
Dont quote me on that last onr
restive sage
welp
dense plover
Prepatch is class changes, and scenarios. Teldrassil has some in world content
Like world event stuff
restive sage
is it gonna have the scenario when we lose our artifact weapons
harsh canyon
What was the Pandaria Prepatch?
hollow dock
Theramore
harsh canyon
Right
hollow dock
Got a neat tabard and everything
harsh canyon
I was an RS addict until Late mists and knew most of the other prepatch events and what they entailed and what I missed
Then I got rich and had tons of time for WoW
undone sphinx
anyone konw if u can remap azerite gear traits?
uncut vault
you can, the reforger is right outside the harbormasters office on kul tiras, and in a remote corner of the dock for zandalar
undone sphinx
ok thx
tropic trail
is there not an item to respec them? Wonder if we'll see people with multiple sets of azerite gear for different encounters
rich burrow
there is supposed to be one but they haven't gotten around to it yet they said in the last QnA think it was
rich apex
Could've sworn they said there will be an item that lets you respect armor traits in the field
Like the talent codex
undone sphinx
yeah. tbh i dont like the whole system
they littrly took the worse part of the legoo system
rich apex
Isn't the RNG the worst part
ivory palm
Do you think Mag'har and Dark Iron are gonna be in the prepatch ?
undone sphinx
i was thinking about the netherlight crusible being a pointless crapshoot
undone sphinx
i dont think the starter zones are ready yet
ivory palm
"Mag’har Orcs and Dark Iron Dwarves are coming in the 8.0 pre-patch, while Kul Tirans and Zandalari will be introduced as we play through the story and recruit new allies." @hollow dock ??
restive sage
its kinda like rng
dense plover
Don’t know where that quote is from
hollow dock
Yea that's a very incorrect one
dense plover
How is it like rng?
hollow dock
what is your source on it
hollow dock
and it's about as RNG as normal gear is Lord
you can target Azerite gear
unlike Legiondaries
dense plover
Yep
dense plover
The traits azerite gear has are the same for that dungeon and it’s difficulty every time
restive sage
everytime i get on discord
hollow dock
Because he's a beta tester and is heavily passionate about this game
dense plover
In the QA they said dark iron and maghar are a reward from the war campaign
dense plover
And that zandalari and kul tirans would come later
hollow dock
and yea. They had already recently bumped it from Pre-patch to war campaign reward. Which is launch patch
restive sage
is he a beater 😮
dense plover
Cheater?
restive sage
who gets the reference
hollow dock
No one.
dense plover
It’s not a funny reference
restive sage
yes it is 😠
hollow dock
SAO sucks
restive sage
your mom sucks
dense plover
I like SAO and no it isn’t funny
dense plover
Also insults are not okay
dense plover
Personal insults are against the server rules
hollow dock
i r offend
dense plover
He doesn’t have to be nice
restive sage
yus he dose
dense plover
Yes you did
hollow dock
stahp bullin
restive sage
he called me a dingus
dense plover
You called him an idiot
dense plover
That’s as much an insult as goofball
undone sphinx
yeah but whats the point of targeting gear?
its still gonna be "is it higher item lvl or raid gear?"
hollow dock
Nope.
dense plover
What do you mean what is the point of targeting gear? Different traits
dense plover
Yeah it can’t warforge
restive sage
whats the ilvl on azerite gear?
hollow dock
No piece of Azerite gear is the same as another
they all have different trait sets on them.
restive sage
r we finally gonna be able to be ilvl 1000
dense plover
No
undone sphinx
if you comapair azerite gear to mythic+ trinkets
restive sage
nooooo
dense plover
There was a squish
undone sphinx
its great the varitey but its still a crudshooot on what u get
hollow dock
Well yea
dense plover
Highest ilvl I think is 350
restive sage
if there was a ilvl squish
hollow dock
but again, unlike normal legiondaries that have a pool of like
restive sage
doesnt that mean cata gear is now op
dense plover
Before raid it’s probably less
hollow dock
15+
from ANYTHING
you get to target for 1 piece of gear
off 1 boss
like any other piece of gear
dense plover
Yeah and that gear will always have the traits it previews having
restive sage
by my calculations cata gear should now be relevant
hollow dock
All gear is getting squished Lord.
undone sphinx
tbh real problem with leggos was lack of the tokens
hollow dock
not just the current.
restive sage
does that mean old raid gear is getting evened out 😄
hollow dock
Yes
restive sage
see, theyre just making bad decisions
dense plover
There are no azerite tokens because it’s a totally different system
restive sage
a smarter thing to do
hollow dock
No it isn't
restive sage
would be to make all the old raids up to date
dense plover
No it isn’t bad
restive sage
c:
hollow dock
because that means you're mythic ready without doing any current content
dense plover
It’s literally a game wide stat squish
undone sphinx
well the slot gear is still gonna be "random"
hollow dock
Yes but that goes for -any- gear Hot.
undone sphinx
its farm this dungon and hope it drops 😃
dense plover
As much as gear is right now normally
restive sage
that would be great
dense plover
Without warforge
hollow dock
that's what it always has been and always will be
but once you get it that's it
you got it
restive sage
so den we can have loads of raids to do each week
hollow dock
nothing else can be done to it
undone sphinx
meh i am gonna miss wf but thats a side point
hollow dock
it wouldn't Lord
hollow dock
only Azerite gear doesn't WF/TF
uncut vault
warforging and titanforging is still there
unborn pagoda
Not ALL gear got squish.. Under 58ilvl no change :D
uncut vault
just not on azerite armor
hollow dock
everything else operates normally
undone sphinx
well if there is as much azerite gearthen its same problem with trinket drops in mythic+
undone sphinx
that and i assume its gonna be diff illvl azerite gear from diff mythic+
dense plover
Azerite gear drops on all difficulties
uncut vault
honestly I wish they did just warforging
restive sage
IM GONNA MISS HITTING FOR 1000000 DAMAGE
dense plover
Yes ilvl goes higher with difficulty of content
hollow dock
so I'll keep playing D3 so Im hitting for trillions of damage
restive sage
yea that is kinda rediculous
uncut vault
I like the 5-10 ilvl increases, but I dislike that you can RNG gear from low raids to current level content
restive sage
ridiculous
undone sphinx
so still 1000 diff sets of gear that you chose baised on ilvl?
restive sage
1mil dps isnt even good these days
uncut vault
Making it rarer kinda makes it worse IMO
restive sage
omg
dense plover
I’ve seen one piece in like 25 hours of play
restive sage
make up your mind then