beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

i do not regret it

speaking of flying, apparently pathfinder part 1 for BfA is not finalized

so the version we see may not be what goes live

[uncut vault]

I think its more just bugged

you can earn it on either faction, but it has both factions achieves

[dense plover]

well there was a blue post recently

it says it isnt final yet

oh

nvm

old post

herp derp

still, yeah probably bugged

though i wouldnt be surprised if you needed to explore both continents

and maybe had to do the war campaign or something

since that takes you through the story on the other continent

and then main continent story completion

so zandalar forever for horde

and whatever the alliance one is

[dawn wolf]

Yeah I can see explorer for both

Main quest for faction

And revered with your faction

As part 1

It should be relatively similar to legion

[dense plover]

i expect war campaign for your faction

since that requires revered or exalted to finish

[dawn wolf]

I thought war campaign was part of the main quest

[uncut vault]

finish war campaign will probably be part 2

because it isnt fully over

[dense plover]

no

theres two parts

[dawn wolf]

Oof

[dense plover]

part 1 is in at launch

it has an achieve

and that will be how you unlock the maghar and dark iron

[dawn wolf]

Well then yeah maybe war campaign will be in part 2

Mayhe

[dense plover]

but it requires either exalted or revered to finish that part

its unclear

very very buggy

we will have a more complete view closer to launch

[dawn wolf]

They may take the rep gate away though

Like they did with legionfall and flying

Only rep gated questing in legion was suramar right?

[dense plover]

i mean you had to do good suramaritan for part 1

and that required exalted

[dawn wolf]

Yeah that is true

[dense plover]

so i think the exalted equivalent will be the war campaign

and 10% groundspeed will feel great

zones are pretty easy to move through

except nazmir

it needs more flight points imo

it has the old design for flight points

which feels out of place compared to the other two zones

nazmir has 4 fp, voldun has like 13

zuldazar has more than that

[uncut vault]

nazmir was almost certainly the first zone they designed

has a lot of the legion design points

[dense plover]

yea

it needs a pass

just to go back and add more flight points

[dawn wolf]

I don’t mind zones with scarce flight points

As long as they’re easy to navigate

If they’re a pain in the ass then no bueno

[uncut vault]

theres a really annoying "every skeleton mob dazes you" area surrounding uldir

so no matter what you need to ride through it

[hollow dock]

they really do need to remove dazing from outdoor content.

[tropic trail]

(warlocks chuckle in the background)

[sleek cloud]

this or

this

[hollow dock]

the second IMO

[sleek cloud]

lol

trash

first is 100 % better, i dont understand why blizzard didn't make first one instead.

[hollow dock]

If you believe so. that's fine.

I don't believe so. that too is fine.

[rich apex]

Wow I can't believe a stylized artistic interpretation would look better than what can actually be realistically implemented in game

[sleek cloud]

blizzard dont make effort into mogs when they could make them be like other games for exemple guild wars 2

[hollow dock]

They dont put effort into mogs

uh.

Nighthold gear wants to talk to you

[meager warren]

blizz is probably high on shit in some cases, but not in mogs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich apex]

Clearly when you work for a multimillion dollar MMO you clock out early for happy hour

[sleek cloud]

lol

they should give us npc mogs like 3d models

i want jaina's new dress

and shit

[hollow dock]

most NPC mogs are our own mogs

[sleek cloud]

im speaking of mogs from wod to now

not the vnailla mogs

that we cant egt at 90 % but that could be available

[steel venture]

yeah its just collections tbh

they could be edited to fit all models, just blizzard doesnt want to put the time in for it

when its not actually super hard, fans have proven that multiple times

[rich ocean]

I really hope blizzard adds more 3d things to bracers cause right now they are useless. Make those arm blades from the mythic warlock gear in argue into bracer things.

Make the elbow plates and the wrist things from the priest their from emerald nightmare into bracer things

Make legs for clothes give more 3d stuff too. The hipguards and such.

Also what mortal said. Its much harder then he thinks to make armor dyeable.

[strange falcon]

the elbow plates from the chestplate(monk ToS tierset)

are really nice

[tropic trail]

the problem with dying armor is that it's best done when it's planned from the beginning and all assets are made to support it

Which is just not the case in WoW

[uncut vault]

I wish theyd actually separate gloves and wrists

make gloves just the parts on the hand, and wrists the wrist armor

[rich ocean]

Yes the armor needs to be made from the get go with white and plan to dye. Current armor could never be died. It could be colour hue changed though.

That would be cool port. But like I would LOVE hipguards. And I would love the arm blades. But sadly both of them are forced together and on the robes.

Since vanilla cloth legs have never mattered. So why not make hipguards or scrolls or books that appear on the legs?

Bracers dont show, so make them show or make them put cool arm cosmetics.

[tropic trail]

well, tbh, for most cloth sets head/shoulder/robe are the only really significant parts for the look

[rich ocean]

Yeah but dude have you seen the arm blades and hip guards of the latest mythic warlock gear? Fucking amazing but I hate the robe.

[tropic trail]

I#m not against your suggestion.

On the other hand it's easier to farm stuff if you only need three items or so

[dense plover]

they literally cant give us jainas cloak

[rich ocean]

Yeah but then you can't choose between robe, leg thing and arm thing. Your stuck with all three in one choice.

[dense plover]

its built for her model

which isnt a human model

its unique

it wouldnt work

they make the model as one whole object

[rich ocean]

You cant do hip covers, elbow guards. And a golden robe.

[dense plover]

her cloak is part of her body

[tropic trail]

yeah, iw ould be fine with your suggestion as well

Doesn't matter to much for me at the moment anyway. I'm just salty that we don't get the recolor that the blood knight-NPC in the warfront wear

^^

[steel venture]

They could rip her cloak off of the model and modify it for player characters.

No WoW model is a single part they're all compiled geosets.

[dense plover]

its integrated into her model

[steel venture]

I'd yoink an example but I don't want to get 🔨'd for pulling out a sandbox gif. But in short, fan-modding has ripped things a LOT.

[dense plover]

if you were to literally go and try to remove the cloak there would be spots where she doesnt have her body

if it was simple, they would do it

therefore, it is not simple

[worthy glen]

What's up with the Silithus quest again?!?

Has it been updated or something?

[dense plover]

no

it will be updated with the prepatch or with the launch of BfA

[worthy glen]

Ah, okay. I'll avoid it for now.

It was a little weird getting the quest in Kul Tiras when i logged in.

[dense plover]

oh

you mean on beta

oh there is some stuff

and you need to do it for the necklace

and then again for the world quests ffor magni

[rich ocean]

They are replacing the copper rooves on the parliment building, all the proof i needed to tell people that the kultiras rooves are oxidized copper

[uncut vault]

Im still just so confused about WHEN we're gonna be draining the sword

cause its still all glowy and red on the beta

[clever ember]

Pre patch most likely. It probably won’t be tested in beta. It’ll likely just be put out on ptr before it goes live. Just my assumption though. No hard facts or anything.

[hollow dock]

Im curious as to why they last minute withdrew on the sword draining

or if that even happens at all

[uncut vault]

either way, they definitely cut the whole artifact instability thing

now its just going right to inert

[dense plover]

yeah

i think instability might still happen

just ya know

over a few weeks

instead of a few months

[rich ocean]

I doubt they would do all that work on the instability if its not going to happen

i presume its still going to be unstable, just it will still work for awhile just a reason why we eventually need to get rid of it.

something like "you cannot use this weapon long, you risk causing it to unleash its energy, but if you really need to, you can use this for the time being"

[uncut vault]

yeah that WAS what it was gonna be

and it never got implemented

[hollow dock]

of which Im so curious as to why they pulled it back.

[steel venture]

I'd have to say compatibility issues.

The UI freaking out on your artifact panel might've been causing issues for players, and the audio cues as well.

[dense plover]

i think its more likely that it would be obnoxius

considering it was supposed to late months and months

it might still happen

[tropic trail]

I think they realized how boring the "you absorb the power into your weapon" plotline was for some of the weapons, like the sentient ones and the scepter of sargeras (which could do bad things if it was unstable), and are instead working on unique retirements for each class/weapon.

[meager warren]

they should do "you absorb the power" period.

[terse patrol]

I think we’ll be seeing new xal’atath lines in BFA

[meager warren]

i hope so.
that'd be neat

even tho my priest is like, level 2

[uncut vault]

so far there have been no new ones, but Im still hoping the three talking ones end up actually absorbing the power instead of being overwhelmed by it

and have roles in the future

[meager warren]

wait, which ones other than priest have a talking weapon?

[dense plover]

mage

warlock

aluneth and the demonology one

[meager warren]

noice. ty

[dense plover]

monk get a talking mount instead

[meager warren]

coot

[tropic trail]

I dont know, simply doing away with them in a generic storyline doesn't really seem to do some of these weapons justice. For the longest time players have wanted ashbringer, and now we're just going to blow it up at the end of the expansion

[rich apex]

And then if Blizz gives the Ashbringer an amazing sendoff

Everyone of the 30 or so other specs asks why -their- artifact didn't get a cool bonus quest

Can't have your cake and eat it too

[tropic trail]

each weapon got a semi-unique retrieval quest, they should all get a unqiue send off as well

[uncut vault]

At the very least, Xalatath needs a unique one

[rich apex]

(On the other hand, the warriors probably don't give a shit about theirs, so)

[uncut vault]

because of all the weapons, she could actually be important

[terse patrol]

Knaifu

[tropic trail]

The warrior weapons were so horribly generic

I feel bad for them, they should've gotten gorehowl at the very least

[meager warren]

i like the fel-warrior weapons

[dense plover]

I mean

Go back to your class hall

Put it on a pedestal

Unique voice line and camera pan as a spell is cast to protect it and lock it away

Bam

Semi unique

Not too much work

Warrior should’ve gotten the axe of cenarius

They even had broxigar at blackrook

I bet they planned for it and then it didn’t work out because it’s already so much more powerful than most of the weapons players got

The axe of cenarius is the only weapon to ever damage sargeras

[drifting current]

I heard the reason they didn’t choose the axe is because a natural-druidy themed weapon would’ve felt odd for warriors

[tropic trail]

it gave him a paper cut

and plenty of our weapons were supposed to be able to hurt sargeras

the affliction scythe, bloods axe

anyway, while looking at how the uldir cloth set looked on females, I realized that the top part of the robe was actually shaped differently, it didn't hug between the breasts like all the other robes do (at least, to my knowledge)

[uncut vault]

Axe of Cenarius definitely isnt more powerful than some of the artifacts

things like Aluneth, Xalatath, and Scepter would outrank it

[drifting current]

Also I have a personal preference to Thal’kiel

[tropic trail]

Xal'atath may be knaifu, but thal'kiel is bonebro

[meager warren]

http://prntscr.com/jk5t9j
Have we seen Toranaar in WoW?

http://prntscr.com/jk5uqw
Nvm. This is a tragic af story.
I hope we see a return of the Aldrachi. Maybe the titans can bring them back

[uncut vault]

people were hoping the army of the light would have a few Aldrachi survivors

Army was pretty disappointing in general

[meager warren]

right?

i think it would be a big letdown on Blizz's part if they didn't give us more on the Aldrachi and Toranaar

then again, when have they not let us down

[tropic trail]

I feel like that's a dumb thing to say

when legion was literally the fanservice expansion

[sudden oak]

Xal'atath is knaifu Thal'kiel is bonebro and Aluneth is husbando

[drifting current]

I have never heard them called that before (except Xal’atath)

I like it

[pseudo urchin]

Is there any info for when the pre-patch wil happen?

[drifting current]

July probably

[tropic trail]

no. You can speculate based around the release date, but that's it

For Legion it way around 6 weeks before

if it's the same for BfA, it would be like the first week of July

[hollow dock]

they stated that pre-patch will be around 4-6 weeks before August 14th

So anywhere from late June to Mid-July

[serene cobalt]

will legion add in battle chest?

[true matrix]

it will be added to the battle chest after BfA is released... I think

[meager warren]

@tropic trail people are still complaining about legion so, i feel like that's not right

[frosty path]

you'll always have people complaining

[meager warren]

exactly

[frosty path]

in vanilla you had people saying that the game ruined the warcraft series

in BC you had people say it ruined the original experience

and so on

[hollow dock]

Legion is very much a bunch of things the fans wanted

and they still complain about it

[meager warren]

and in legion, people complained about too much demon

[frosty path]

from what I've seen Legion has been pretty well received (although not universally beloved and acclaimed and all)

exactly

"too much green!"

it's a good sign if the main complaint about your game is "too much green"

[hollow dock]

"Gah this legion of green is to much green! 7/10 to much green" - IGn

[meager warren]

did ign actually say that? o.o

[frosty path]

I'm hoping that BFA continues this trend

nah

IGN gave a shitty review about some other game

[hollow dock]

No it's a joke about how IGN tends to score stuff.

[meager warren]

o

[hollow dock]

The remakes for Gen 3 pokemon games came out, which takes place on a very large island

[frosty path]

there was this game (pokemon?) and they praised it throughout a review but gave it a 7 because "too much blue"

[hollow dock]

and they cmplained there was to much water and gave the score a 7/10

[meager warren]

lol rip

[frosty path]

they actually gave Legion a 9 iirc

[meager warren]

which pokemon game tho

[frosty path]

though they also gave WoD a 8.5 or 9 so for Legion they didn't publish an official review with a score until 4 months after legion launched

[meager warren]

pokemon go?

[frosty path]

can't remember

nah

[hollow dock]

Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

[meager warren]

o

[mortal pewter]

if you're referring to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon the Alola region is supposed to reflect the Hawaiian Islands

[hollow dock]

We're not

[meager warren]

vris is weeb ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[hollow dock]

I haven't admitted at all that i am a weeb.

[meager warren]

u brought up pokemon

[hollow dock]

Only because you had asked

[meager warren]

you brought it up by paraphrasing ign

[hollow dock]

To continue the mockery that is most complaints of legion

[meager warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379887186763448322/442055331170746380/lenny_stream.gif

[sharp bluff]

Pokemon is a game, if anything it means your a geek

Weeb is different altogether people don't get that

[meager warren]

weeb means u like anime a little too much
geek means you like other fiction a little too much

[tropic trail]

are the pterrodax mounts available when we are exalted with the zandalari ?

[meager warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel venture]

Yes, they are available. Horde gets more mounts this expansion from reputation than Alliance does so far.

[tropic trail]

im on beta and the only one available is the cobalt one.Sure that all will be available when it launchs and its just a placeholder?

[steel venture]

Though that isn't really a bad thing, Alliance usually gets more mounts and they have to rebalance it. Just this time around literally all of the alliance mounts are horse/gryphon combos. 🙄

And yes, they should be all available on launch.

[tropic trail]

there is a pterrodax for alliance

Kua fon

[steel venture]

Which doesn't fly.

[tropic trail]

yeah,thats stupid

[steel venture]

At least the hyena isn't horde-only. 👏

[mortal pewter]

yay

[tropic trail]

im sorry to say nile

but now is horde only

xd

[steel venture]

There's a zone-drop version that's the traditional hyena color out of Vol'dun.

[tropic trail]

ah i found it haha

well,a hyena for all at least

[mortal pewter]

i'll admit i am neither geek nor weeb, i only like specific fiction and anime

[hollow dock]

same

[tropic trail]

thank god the pterrodax here in beta its just a placeholder and not the final result

because im saving 50k for the pterrodaxes xd

[steel venture]

https://bfa.wowhead.com/item=163576/captured-dune-scavenger

yena for all \o/

[hollow dock]

is the mountspecial just laughter?

[steel venture]

its the exact color i was hoping for too be able to get LOL
(also god i hope so)

[tropic trail]

sure 100 percent that all the pterrodaxes will be available,nile? i just want to keep sure hahah

[steel venture]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=284000/new-battle-for-azeroth-reputation-mounts
They're all labeled with Zandalar Empire rep, I'd assume so.
(also oop. i guess im dumb, it's that horde gets four mounts from the same rep. both sides do get six mounts this time around from core expac rep. which is rare.)

[tropic trail]

thank god they wont be like the stupid chest mounts in legion

a worth rep grinding

[steel venture]

but
again i dislike how they're parading around a six-year-old gryphon as a "new" mount.

its not even a good recolor... the feathers look awful on the sea scout

like
who thought this lazy line pattern on the feathers looked good?

[tropic trail]

even the pandaria one with armor looks better

[steel venture]

I can do better retexture work than that to the feathers man. 😭 I've done custom recolors of things before.

[mortal pewter]

i'm not too fond of the ret pally changes, i feel like i'm back in Vanilla when it really sucked

[tropic trail]

i found out that the sabertusks will be tameable

[steel venture]

What famliy? Scalehide I'm guessing?

Since they might share the cat-model but, honestly. Do we really need MORE things classified as cats?

[hollow dock]

Yes

[steel venture]

the new pet families are still pretty dry, so i'd hope scalehide---oh ay nice then

the new ankylodons are scalehides too

[tropic trail]

cat or lizard maybe

and the pterrodaxes will be a new family

[steel venture]

the saurolisks / dimetrodons are lizards
i don't see a sabertusk being a lizard, the "venomous fangs" thing doesn't really work with giant tusks in front of its face.
it really probably wont be a cat, its non-mammalian.

so scalehide is the most likely family it'll be placed in

[tropic trail]

AYYY LMAO I TAME A SABERTUSK AND SAYS ITS A WOLF

[steel venture]

(and before you go off and say "but panthera" ... panthera literally are alien cats. thats all. these are gorganopsid---)

LOL SRSLY?

THAAAAAAATS A BUG.

[tropic trail]

i make screenshot

they are cool i gues

lets see what says if i tame a pterrodax or a crawg

also says its a wolf when i tame a diemetradon

they need to fix this haha

and the pet is bigger than me

ok ankylodons says its a scalehide

but has bear sounds and its smaller than me

where tf are the wild pterrodaxes?

[hollow dock]

Try the un'goro ones?

[tropic trail]

i say in zandalar

if the sabertusk are tameable,the pterrodax can be too

[hollow dock]

Well yea they are on the roster of tamables but theres plenty in Un'goro you can try and tame is what Im saying to test.

[tropic trail]

y,the zandalar one are still untameable

[clever ember]

We might have to buy a book or something to allow us to tame the Dino’s in zandalari. It’d be pretty lame. But they did it with feathermanes.

[tropic trail]

they are exotic,so no books

only need to be bm

[clever ember]

But BM can’t tame them

[tropic trail]

you can tame the un goro ones

[clever ember]

Not talking about the ungoro ones. The models in zandalar are much nicer. My troll wants sabertusks and the ankylos and the new raptors. I wasn’t able to tame any of those last time I played the beta.

[steel venture]

They can't lock a specific model behind a tome like that.

[tropic trail]

now the sabertusks are tameable

and the ankylos

[steel venture]

Pterrodaxes would have to be a skill family for that to happen.

[tropic trail]

i just tamed them

[steel venture]

Not an exotic family.

Mechanicals, direhorns and feathermanes are all "skill families" that you must learn seperately and can be used in any spec.

[clever ember]

It’s been a while since I played last. Out of town atm so I’ve not been able to log onto beta.

[steel venture]

tamable zandalari pterrodaxes literally is just not yet implimented

thats all

the ungoro ones are classified under the new exotic family

and likely skyscreamers will be soon too

They're making passes to double check if any old world pets fit the brand new families first before fully implementing said new families.

[clever ember]

I don’t want a book, but I wouldn’t ever put it past blizz to lock things behind books and such. Im glad they’re tamable now. My troll can have cool looking Dino’s when BfA goes live. 😁

[dense plover]

yeah all the pet stuff is super unfinished

its one of those things that gets done later

and sounds will be added later

[meager warren]

what do you mean about it being locked behind books?
if it's not in the beast family, obviously we're gonna have to gain a new ability to tame them.
they did it with the feathermanes and the mechanical pets

[steel venture]

No, no.

They were confused on how to obtain pterrodaxes.

They're baseline exotics, not a skill family.

The skyscreamers and zandalar pterrodaxes have not yet been flagged for taming because its still beta.

But it's obviously going to at least include the zandalar ones because that's literally what the icon is.

[jovial coral]

You know what would be interesting, if there was a zone or island expedition you were required to fly to get to and go around.

The dragon flight stuff for example

[hollow dock]

if you want that, go to Storm Peaks or Icecrown. It's really not that great.

[jovial coral]

Eh, that stuff isn't the best they can do though.

They can improve

[untold fractal]

I could see it, but with their use of the pathfinder system, they would need to introduce a system of getting around without being able to fly in certain zones. shouldnt lock an entire region behind achievements

[dense plover]

flying combat sucks

we dont need it

islands are pretty good as is

though theyre a bit meh until you get the hang of it

once you understand it more, it gets better

especially with other people

i need to try with 2 other people and see if that makes a difference because thats what ive been told

[untold fractal]

im really excited about the island expeditions. i want a beta key purely so i can do those a bunch

[hollow dock]

Due to how WoW is built, flying combat will always be an utter shitfest.

[dense plover]

^

in wow you already have two planes of direction

adding a third is bad

[jovial coral]

There doesn't need to be flying combat just a place you can fly in right off the bat

[hollow dock]

Then theres latency, the issie of missle speed vs Hit scan.

[sharp bluff]

Flying combat would be bad anyway, with tha net launcher that dismounts people flying

[tropic trail]

Holy shet

[meager warren]

flying combat is a thing? wat

also, good pterodaxo

[dense plover]

it was in wrath

it sucked

it wasnt a full - whenevr you fly thing

thats what it was advertised as

and it was cut

because it sucked

also, related to the pterrordax - pet sizes havent been adjusted at all yet

[hollow dock]

The flying combat we have is purely PVE. not PVP. Which is what was advertised. :p

[molten river]

why does Sylvanas attack Teldrassil?

[hollow dock]

She's doing it to 'secure kalmindor andremove the alliance from this war'

Only thing she ends up doing is slaughtering a bunch of civilians trapping most in a furnace and getting the alliance angry at her.

[molten river]

uggh

i never liked the warmonger Sylvanas

[hollow dock]

She's not warmongering per say. It's stage 1 of her "Wipe out the alliance for the hordes safety" plan. It failed in its original goal.

[molten river]

eh idk

seems quite warmongery to me

[meager warren]

well, tbh...
they've both been doing that to each other since about classic. give or take.
but no, it'll work! just you wait

[hollow dock]

^

[meager warren]

it's very much warmongering

[molten river]

im not very informed about much of the WoW lore, but i loved Sylvanas for her tragic backstory

[hollow dock]

Well she's not advocating it. She' sjust doing it

It wasn't all that tragic

[molten river]

i liked it when she sort of just chilled out and defended her own lands and didn't actively like murder people

[hollow dock]

She actively murdered people while defending her land.

Just all her murdering is now in the spotlight

[molten river]

oh

[meager warren]

i started playing in legion but research is easy

[hollow dock]

ye.

Sylvanas has always been the "murdery for going against me" type. Just before she had to be in the shadows and it was always more interesting because she has to get away with it

But now that she's warchief she can just do it cuz she wants

[meager warren]

@molten river have you played the forsaken/ worgen starter area? Both starter areas collide pretty much and they both showcase Sylvanas as shitty. Though the worgen probably see her as worse 'cause, ya know... story bias

[molten river]

i have played through both, but i always was one of those who just power through everything for levels

[hollow dock]

Yea you won't get informed of the story by skipping it :p

[molten river]

which is one reason why i don't know much

[meager warren]

well, if you want to know some stuff about story, you might want to not "power through everything for levels"
if anything, do that with dungeons

[molten river]

well i did just come ask about things here

[meager warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[molten river]

in search of information

[hollow dock]

Well just understand that Sylvanas is trying to protect the horde

but ends up signing its death warrant

[meager warren]

but hey, at least the alliance is guilty of that too!

[hollow dock]

Yea with all those things they did

That surely everyone knows

Whispers to arson what the feck did the alliance do again?

[meager warren]

captured subservient orcs

and held them, kept them in prisons and possibly starved them.
killed them.
didn't realize the horde is new now and kept attacking the horde instead of striving for peace treaties.
And that would actually work if most fans wouldn't be all But it's WARcraft, not PEACEcraft

[hollow dock]

wait

they didn't starve them

[meager warren]

how would i know

[hollow dock]

or kill them in the camps

they kept them alive in the camps because they didn't want to wipe out a species

[meager warren]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
o

it was basically alliance death camps tho but without death

[molten river]

can we have an alternative timeline where everything is just lovedove and friendship pls

[meager warren]

^

[hollow dock]

We tried that.

[molten river]

and together fighting against evil meanieguys

[hollow dock]

The Light said "OMEGALUL kill those orcs"

[meager warren]

i don't necessarily want "lovedove and friendship" for everything.
I just want the Horde and Alliance to grow the fuck up and fight against all the other bad guys

[dense plover]

i wouldnt say she signs their death warrant

its more like sylvanas is attempting a preemptive strike

and it fails

putting the entire world at war

like most preemptive strikes

[hollow dock]

Miserably so. Rather than targeting their military forces while they're stranded.

and out on their own

[molten river]

yeah i just exaggerated it, Murderous

[meager warren]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[hollow dock]

she decides to target the civilians

[molten river]

just everyone being chill and living in some sort of coexistence

[hollow dock]

visible confusion

[dense plover]

well she doesnt decide to target the civilians

she decides to target a capital city

while the military is gone

[hollow dock]

She targets the undefended Teldrassil. Which has very little military presence.

[dense plover]

thats strategic af

[hollow dock]

As an attempt to end the alliance

she tries to catch a bunch of civilians

[dense plover]

as an attempt to end their prescence in kalimdor

[hollow dock]

from a far off city

[meager warren]

military nub here, what's a preemptive strike?

[hollow dock]

But leaves Northwatch up mind you

You strike ahead of time

[meager warren]

o

[dense plover]

northwatch was captured during cata

they recapture it during bfa

[uncut vault]

Hurting a potential threat before the conflict starts to keep it from starting

[hollow dock]

It was ordered for rebuilding at the end of Tides though

after they bomb theramore

[dense plover]

yeah

[molten river]

i think i'll have to switch away from this Sylvanas avatar..

[hollow dock]

so that's just been sitting there. this whole time

[dense plover]

i mean

[meager warren]

"Attacking someone to stop a fight is like fucking for virginity"

[hollow dock]

left alone. in alliance hands. Right outside of Orgrimmar.

[dense plover]

in bfa they literally talk about reclaiming northwatch

so it didnt happen

[uncut vault]

Which like people said, doesn’t really work because 90% of the time people just get vengeful for the strike

[hollow dock]

^

[dense plover]

like the follower missions talk about reclaiming northwatch

they dont have control of it at the moment

they gain it back during BfA

[hollow dock]

odd how that hasn't been updated

[dense plover]

http://www.wowhead.com/news=284410&webhook/the-story-from-the-follower-missions-in-battle-for-azeroth-spoilers

[meager warren]

what if they're just talking about it and don't?

[dense plover]

"Closer to Durotar, Alliance forces have re-established Northwatch Hold, currently under attack by Goblin and Orc forces."

[molten river]

question

[dense plover]

its tension leading up to the second warfront in the barrens and dustwallow

[molten river]

who is the biggest cutie pacifist friend in WoW

[sudden oak]

Anduin

[hollow dock]

There are none

Anduins no pacifist

[dense plover]

lol

anduin isnt pacifist

[sudden oak]

well pre pandaria

[dense plover]

wanting peace =/= pacifist

[meager warren]

^

[hollow dock]

Pre-pandaria he isn't a pacifist either

[molten river]

peace wanting pacifist

[hollow dock]

he helps us fight the Twilight's Hammer in Stormwind

[dense plover]

pacifist means never wanting to attack anyone

ever

not even in self defense

a pacifist never fights back

[meager warren]

he might have been a pacifist when he was a baby but aside from that...

[uncut vault]

He’s peaceful, not a pacifist

[dense plover]

its world of WARcraft

no pacifists

[molten river]

well scrap the pacifist part, just a peace wanting cutie fren in general

[meager warren]

peach, that's dumb logic

[uncut vault]

Anduin, still. His entire story arc has been about balancing peace and war with his father

[dense plover]

im not using logic

im just stating something

there are no pacifists

[hollow dock]

Baine (Probably), Anduin, Jaina pre-pandaria

[meager warren]

well then it's dumb

[dense plover]

its a coincidence

[hollow dock]

Khadgar

[dense plover]

its literally about war though

[molten river]

Jaina

[dense plover]

khadgar is dadgar

lol

[meager warren]

it being world of warcraft doesn't mean the alliance and horde can't work together.
like they have been, ironically, since about classic

[dense plover]

jaina wants the horde to die

[hollow dock]

Re-read it Peach

[molten river]

^^

yes pre Pandaria

she was soft love mage

but then fucked over

[uncut vault]

Even Jaina post-theramore had desire for peace, once she was talked down by kalec

I’d say more accurately Jaina pre-Dalaran

[dense plover]

yeah

[hollow dock]

Until dalaran yea

[dense plover]

thats really the straw that broke the camel's back

[molten river]

i guess the Pandaren are fairly mellow

[dense plover]

sort of

[hollow dock]

Wanting peace maybe. but most of the big lore pandaren either dont care, are isolationists or have picked their side.

[molten river]

there's this person in another discord who says he ganks even low lvl people for fun and im there like

[hollow dock]

Dont go on a PVP server

and expect to not get ganked

[dense plover]

wont be a problem once prepatch hits

[meager warren]

it would still be World of WARcraft even without H v A stupidity.
since, ya know, in literally every single expac except orcs and humans, there have been other antagonists which the alliance and horde have worked together for to kill. They've been at war against baddies aside from each other for all this time yet they can't go the full step and actually consider each other allies because "meh faction pride"

[hollow dock]

yea

then it changes to

[dense plover]

no more ganking ever

unless you choose to get ganked

[hollow dock]

"Dont get into warmode and expect to notgetganked"

[dense plover]

^

which is more reasonable

since thats opt in

not to mention exp bonus

[molten river]

yes but low lvl people though

[hollow dock]

It's also opt in to head onto the PVP server ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[molten river]

what sort of a minidick attacks defenseless low lvls

[dense plover]

yeah but its less so and theres no warning

pretty sure warmode has a warning

someone who needs to feel superior

[hollow dock]

So do the servers when you're explained what they are. o=

[dense plover]

because they suck at actual pvp

[meager warren]

but yet they're inferior in every single way

[molten river]

probably

[dense plover]

even then

[molten river]

very irritating

[dense plover]

i think gankers themselves might not enable war mode

since they will have to deal with all the people who want to pvp

[hollow dock]

I think they will but head towards those low level areas

[meager warren]

i bet they will

[dense plover]

since it shards you into pvp only stuff

[hollow dock]

of people wanting to level out quickly

Which reminds me, the warmode stuff only applies to outdoor questing right?

not dungeons?

[dense plover]

dont think its active in dungens

might be

[meager warren]

i wonder if there's gonna be Legion-esque pvp wq's in bfa

[hollow dock]

Probably not

[meager warren]

icri

[dense plover]

there probably will

but only in war mode

[hollow dock]

there can in no way be more warden towers. absolutely not. never ever not in a thousand years

[dense plover]

theres some datamined text and broadcast stuff that hints at it

and the pvp faction

the duel stuff

[meager warren]

peach, read my last message about horde v alliance stupidity pls

i want to read ur response

and why not vris :c

[uncut vault]

even if there arent pvp world quests

basically every world quest will be pvp in war mode

[molten river]

also i really want to have a high elf model to play as already

please give

high elves cutiepatooties

[hollow dock]

Join the rest of us Beef.

We have a whole discord dedicated to it

[meager warren]

"if you want tiny ass elves, the horde is waiting for you"

[molten river]

blood elf has golden eyes which is.. lightly better but i want my blue eyes and fair skin :<

[sudden oak]

lets hope the next allied races are high elves and San'layn

I want San'layn

so

[meager warren]

belves have fair skin too tho

[sudden oak]

much

[hollow dock]

You'll get Darkfallen if anything

[meager warren]

belves and helves are the same model

[hollow dock]

as the "San'layn" models are specialNPC models

[molten river]

belves are a bit more yellow toned though

i want pure snow white skin

[meager warren]

still about the same

[hollow dock]

Also Arson

pandas are the same model

so don't bother with that bologna

[meager warren]

pandas are not the same model wat

[hollow dock]

Yes they are.

there's 1 pandarenmodel. Horde or alliance

[strange falcon]

highelves are not happening ever UNLESS blizz does a complete remodel so they dont look like recolors of belves

[sudden oak]

arent darkfallen and San'layn the same but in different languages?

[hollow dock]

Nope they're apart of the same race.

And Dafire

that's what void elves are

So that argument no longer exists either

[strange falcon]

void elves are purple

[hollow dock]

Full armored

[meager warren]

that's because pandaren are the same race.
helves and belves are not the same race.
I'd be fine with helves if they made them unique but not if they're just belf rip-offs

[hollow dock]

they aren't any form of distinguishable from normalbelves

[strange falcon]

full armored is as bullshit as an argument

as any

[hollow dock]

And what about an orb of sindorei player?

Because we are only talking about PVP where this same model thing is at all relevant

[meager warren]

your argument about same model doesn't make any sense because, what i just said

[hollow dock]

In which dafire, the void elves being purple absolutely supports the idea that they are recolored belves. Because that is very literally what they are. recolored belves.

Helves and Belves are the same race

[molten river]

Blizz tried to satisfy people's helf needs with void elf but IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH

[strange falcon]

they are,but funnily enough they have the different name

[molten river]

I NEED HELF

[strange falcon]

:hmmmmmmmmm

[hollow dock]

Yes due to political standings and differing abilities. While blood elves went to drain living things, High elves kept to meditating and mana gems.

[meager warren]

belves are helves yes.
but they're corrupted helves.
and they've splintered from the helves seemingly enough that they have a different name.
why would they have a different name if they're the same race?

[hollow dock]

Dunno

why do you call Orcs andMag'har orcs different names

but theyre the same race

🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

[strange falcon]

🤔

[meager warren]

i don't consider them the same race.
that's like saying the zandalari trolls are the same as elves when they're obviously different.
Fel orcs are evolved mag'har orcs

[hollow dock]

I never said Fel orcs

[meager warren]

they're literally fel orcs

[hollow dock]

I said normal orcs. The green buddies we have at base player race

Fel Orcs are red

not green

m8

[meager warren]

fel orcs are green and red

[strange falcon]

technically green orcs drank the blood of a demon

so if that isnt fel

idk fam

[molten river]

i don't know soon which race to play as

so many amazing options

[hollow dock]

It is, but they are fel corrupted orcs. Not fel orcs in its entirety.

As we've seenw hat actual fel orcs are

https://i.imgur.com/1vmwU1t.jpg Fel orc

[meager warren]

the ones we saw in tbc were shit resolution so i mean

[molten river]

lightforged meet my ultimate holy priest needs

[hollow dock]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RfLi57dGdV8/maxresdefault.jpg WoD fel orc

Both not green.

[uncut vault]

model updated horde aligned chaos orcs are just orcs but with red tinted skin

[dense plover]

we dont need two new types of orcs

thats too much

[meager warren]

that one is green tho.
it's just, not just green

[dense plover]

one new type that includes all of the clanns is pretty good

[hollow dock]

It's got green markings on it yes. But it itself is not green.

[meager warren]

i hope they update the original orc race to be like fel orc so i can say "HA" to vris

[dense plover]

they wont

[hollow dock]

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/388816.jpg this is the normal orc so you have all 3 by comparison

[meager warren]

shush u

[dense plover]

you cant update a race and change everything

[molten river]

orc dads

[meager warren]

the normal orc looks fel

wtf is the green if not fel

[dense plover]

it is

[hollow dock]

But it is not a fel orc.

https://i.imgur.com/1vmwU1t.jpg as seen here. this is a Fel Orc.

[meager warren]

technically, they update the races every few years peach

[hollow dock]

No they don't. the first time they've actually updated the player models is WoD.

[meager warren]

and vris, i saw that.
i just disagree on your stance that only red/ black orcs are fel orc

[hollow dock]

They are litearlly named

Fel orcs

Whether you disagree with me or not

tha tis hard fact

[meager warren]

by "every few years" i mean, somewhere from 3-10 years about

[hollow dock]

The first update they've ever pushed onto the player models to bring them into the modern era was in WoD

[uncut vault]

theres two types of red orc btw

[meager warren]

ok, either way, the green orcs drank demon blood

and became half-demons basically

[hollow dock]

yes they had. But they are not fel orcs.

[molten river]

i'll leave you cutesy nerds to nerd out in peace

cya

[meager warren]

the fel orcs in wod aren't demons either

[hollow dock]

those orcs that did drink the blood are either dead, crazy, or have become Fel Orcs.

As seen in that red picture above

[uncut vault]

I mean, chaos orcs in blasted lands

[hollow dock]

The green in their skin is residual fel from their fathers fathers that drank the junk or were close to those that drank the stuff. Much like how blood elves all have green eyes despite the majority of them not having drank or absorbed fel.

In which the basis of this whole argument is this: Belves and Helves are the same race. 1 is corrupted, they have different names. Just like the Mag'har orcs and the normal Orcs.

[meager warren]

Thrall is a fel orc, not from drinking the blood, but from being exposed to fel energy.
He's not dead, violent, or crazy

He's basically a demon hunter

[hollow dock]

@dense plover Apparently Thrallis a Fel Orc.

[meager warren]

he's green, isn't he?

[uncut vault]

Ive been saying it over and over

your old name fit more

[meager warren]

and he was around when it happened

except i'm not trolling

[hollow dock]

He legitimately thinks

tha tjust because the skin is green

they are Fel Orcs

andnot just fel tainted orcs

[meager warren]

if you cared to correct me on what i'm wrong about, i might be inclined to change my mind

[hollow dock]

Which is what the lore states

I have. Multiple times.

[meager warren]

they're fel-tainted

[hollow dock]

You just care to ignore it all

[meager warren]

so basically fel

[uncut vault]

fel orcs are a specific name for a type of orc

its not a catch all for any orc exposed to fel

[meager warren]

"red orcs are fel orcs"
even though that doesn't cover all the other skin colors

[dense plover]

technically vris is right

[hollow dock]

ty port.

[dense plover]

fel orcs are the red ones

BUT

thrall is fel-corrupted

all green orcs have been exposed to fel in some way

[meager warren]

^

[hollow dock]

He is. As are most of those orcs

BUT

[uncut vault]

fel corrupted =/= fel orcs

[dense plover]

yeah

[hollow dock]

Does that make them Fel Orcs?

[dense plover]

i said that

[hollow dock]

as Murderous states

[uncut vault]

fel orc = the ones repeatedly exposed and ingesting fel

[meager warren]

what's the difference tho

[uncut vault]

which thrall has not done, ever

[hollow dock]

We just told you

[meager warren]

green and red?

wow, big difference

[hollow dock]

The Fel orcs are the ones that kept going for that dank fel

[strange falcon]

when vris is on the opposing side of an argument : 🍿 🍿

[hollow dock]

the normal orcs

[uncut vault]

No, green and red is the difference between orcs and chaos orcs

[hollow dock]

were only exposed to it

[uncut vault]

fel orcs are the ones that ingest and consume it over and over

and become mutated

[hollow dock]

^

WoD's Fel Orcs and our Fel Orcs are red/Black. Due to mutations of fel changing their race entirely.

[meager warren]

okay but like, what are the symptoms for both.
how would an outsider tell the difference between two orcs who look the same but one is a fel orc and one isn't?

[hollow dock]

While normal Orcs we see walking around Orgrimmar are just green due to exposure to Fel.

Like the blood elves.

A fel orc is trying to kill you for existing

a normal orc is trying to kill you if you wear blue

[meager warren]

ok

ouch

[uncut vault]

same difference between blood elves and felblood elves, one's just affected by fel around them, one has taken in fel repeatedly and mutated themselves

[hollow dock]

Looking up all the orc models makes me really thankful for the model update in WoD

same situation, different race.

Though really, blood elves should pick a new name. They're not really honoring their dead while being horde members tbh.

[terse patrol]

ignoring all those elves who died to the horde

[hollow dock]

Letting an undead that helped slaughter your people order you around.

[meager warren]

Thinks standing up to a powerful tyrant without an army is smart

[hollow dock]

the blood elves have a massive army

[uncut vault]

I mean, of all the reasons the belfs are kinda dumb for joining the horde (of which there are many) I dont think sylvanas is really one

[hollow dock]

whatcha talkin aboutwillis

[uncut vault]

aside from her being semi-evil, she didnt actively kill elves when QT fell

she was one of the last to fall before arthas got to the sunwell

[hollow dock]

She died as the barriers to Silvermoon fell. So she was around and in the campaign, was helping out int he slaughter. Against her will but still helping out.

[meager warren]

and sylvanas has the forsaken
and she has the valkyra
and the horde

[hollow dock]

The blood elves have anima golems

[meager warren]

you really think the belves have a chance?

[hollow dock]

Spellbreakers

Magisters

[meager warren]

the horde has goblin shredders

[hollow dock]

it's not like the horde sin a position to retaliate against them

if they just leave for the alliance

[meager warren]

oh, and the forsaken and orc tanks

[uncut vault]

Blood elves also likely have ban'dinoriel back with the sunwell intact

holy bandinoriel at that

[meager warren]

and goblin tanks
and goblin ships

[hollow dock]

and all of them are no where close to Quel'thalas at this point

and Quel'danas is neutral ground. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uncut vault]

sorry, not horde, belfs

[sullen dagger]

so as a tldr, brown orcs = uncorrupted orcs \ green orcs = our orcs \ red orcs = mutated orcs

am i right?

[hollow dock]

Yup. Which was to show Murder that being tainted by fel doesn't mean the blood and high elves are 2 separate races

[sullen dagger]

but alas high elves for the alliance would be sweet tho

[tropic trail]

the community has gotten blizz to change their minds before, so it's still possible

classic and flying since wod have both been things blizzard was against until the community demanded it

[sage tapir]

characters on ptr servers got wiped

prepatch testing hype

prays for upright orcs

[dense plover]

yeah but character copy is still up

a test build is likely nexxt wek though

[hollow dock]

We were told upright orcs are in prepatch

[uncut vault]

I just want character copy on the beta already ;-;

I need to see some maghar orcs in all their armor

[sage tapir]

out of curiosity, is there a source on that? @hollow dock

[uncut vault]

one of the QnAs confirmed its gonna be an 8.0 feature

[dense plover]

upright orcs will be in prepatch

theyre in the beta

[hollow dock]

It was the QnA before the most recent one

[dense plover]

also, golden eyes for blood elves will be in prepatch too

[hollow dock]

Yup

[dense plover]

and barber can now change skin color

[hollow dock]

The salt mines will flow again in the Helf discord

[meager warren]

better get out of there before it's too late 👀

[sullen dagger]

where does the golden eyes come from?¿

[ruby star]

@hollow dock how so?

[sullen dagger]

the "unfeling" of the sunwell?

[hollow dock]

the golden eyes should have been in since BC

when it was infused and turned into an actual Sunwell

with the Light and all that junk

[sullen dagger]

huh

that was a shitton of exp's ago

but eh not gonna complain

[ruby star]

How will what cause a salt mine?

[meager warren]

well, it's higher res now than it would have been in TBC

it'll cause a salt mine because helfs

[ruby star]

Golden eyes have nothing to do with High elves though

[sharp bluff]

it took awhile for the fel to get cleaned out of the Belf's system, it stuck around like bad gas station sushi

[rich apex]

make a discord channel for a race that isn't playable or even remotely confirmed
expect anything but salt

[sullen dagger]

if forums keep like that for a time i bet we'll get helves sometime arund end exp / next expansion

[rich apex]

^

The BFA Allied Races are surely done by now

[sullen dagger]

yep

[rich apex]

9.0? Anything's possible

[ruby star]

They are planned already (allied races for BFA)

In an interview

But who knows what races

I'm assuming we get races in 8.2 and 8.3

[sullen dagger]

also, random question, does leveling the alters through 60 to 80 feels hyper slow or it's me?

because from 1 to 60 it was a breeze

and now i'm 77, and it's a real pain to level up

[rich apex]

TBC and Wrath are the most outdated content

And thus of a lesser quality in quest design and flow

[sullen dagger]

i mean the vanilla zones were not great, but quite decent

[ruby star]

What do you think are the planned races?

(Ignoreing Ones already announced)

[sullen dagger]

but northend...

[hollow dock]

inb4 there aren't any races past KT and Zandalari

[rich apex]

Old world got updated in Cata, so

[sullen dagger]

i think there will be one more, i guess

[rich apex]

@ Vris

Who knows

[sullen dagger]

for mid expansion

[rich apex]

(I'll feel bad for the vulpera discord tho)

[ruby star]

Whats happend?

Did they find out bad news?

[sullen dagger]

anyways, i feel that if they developed a mini zone with mobs 1-20 would have added a lot of flavour to the zone

[sharp bluff]

bad news?

[rich apex]

No, but if Vris is right, and vulpera aren't coming in 8.2 or 8.3 😛

[sullen dagger]

starter zones for the allied races, i mean

[sage tapir]

oh that is awesome (about the orcs)

[rich apex]

(which is why you don't get hyped for a race that hasn't been confirmed yet)

[ruby star]

XD

[sullen dagger]

EXCEPT FOR THE HIGH ELVES

ALL PRIASE THE HIGH ELVES

[rich apex]

The fact that there isn't a starting zone is half the reason we're getting 8 Allied Races

Instead of 1-2 normal races

[ruby star]

😀 @sullen dagger

[sullen dagger]

\[T]/

also, f*ck zappy boi

[meager warren]

@ruby star people who want high elves complain about everything but high elves so yes it does have something to do with helves

ZAPPY BOI IS AMAZING, YOU HERETIC

[hollow dock]

I mean.

You complain about everything despite not wanting high elves

[sullen dagger]

HE ZAPPED THE GOOD GOOD DOGGO

[meager warren]

hmm?

[hollow dock]

I dont think the wanting of high elves is what constitutes it

[meager warren]

what good doggo

[sullen dagger]

the lord and saviour genn

[meager warren]

genn is a waste of pixelated space

[sullen dagger]

ha.

[hollow dock]

He actually had character development though

[sullen dagger]

and a really nice developed one

i do really like the new genn

[meager warren]

in legion he was basically the third or fourth biggest baddy

just, we didn't fight him

[sullen dagger]

nah, he was filled and fueled with righteous fury

[meager warren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8cxcac/battle_for_azeroth_is_genns_fault/?utm_term=d3dee8fa-88c6-4620-a53e-32ec61424e4b&utm_medium=search&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage&utm_content=1

no fury is righteous

[hollow dock]

Except that it wasnt?

Canonically

Azsuna is first in the leveling order

[meager warren]

read it boi

[hollow dock]

so that means that we find out about Sylvanas' plans

which we then hand to genn

which then accompanies us on the adventures into Stormhiem

Because we found out intel that Sylvanas is planning something

[sullen dagger]

when king pony tail

[meager warren]

wat

[sullen dagger]

no bias here

[meager warren]

he is king pony tail tho

[sullen dagger]

nooooooooooot even a teeny etsy bitsy bit

[meager warren]

he has a pony tail so i mean

and he was king

so

[hollow dock]

the only reason genn is there is because of Sylvanas

so

[meager warren]

the only reason genn is there is because of genn

sylvanas didn't make him go there

[hollow dock]

But the canonical timeline is that Azsuna's intel is found first

before Stormhiem

which makes Genn go with us to there

[sharp bluff]

BFA would have been the Nelfs fault if they attacked the goblin operation first, since those goblins are horde aligned, but it is hordes fault since they used the time to attack the tree before the nelfs had the chance

[hollow dock]

to foil Sylvanas

[sharp bluff]

we know why the tree burned yet?

[hollow dock]

Sylvanas

wanted to protect Kalmindor

and secure

[sharp bluff]

confirmed?

[hollow dock]

for the horde

Yes

[sharp bluff]

book?

haven't seen any text mined yet saying for sure, did the book say that?

[meager warren]

Kalimdor*

[ornate pivot]

I thought the text was changed. One sec, I'll find it

http://www.wowhead.com/news=282153/burning-of-teldrassil-broadcast-text-updates-spoilers

That what you were looking for?

[sharp bluff]

close but no

I am wandering if they meant to burn it? or if the burning was an accident

we know she attacked it yes

but did say a bomb set off a chain reaction like we thought?

I would imagine people have tried to burn the giant tree before

with most of the Nelfs gone they could have captured it

holding it would have been tough, no doubt about it

but possible

[sullen dagger]

i'm pretty sure that it wasnt an accident

[hollow dock]

She does flat out ask us: wanna see what Azerite can really do?

At the end of the scenario

With no holes in Darkshore

and 1 burning tree

[rigid furnace]

That's pretty telling right there.

[hollow dock]

which was probably blown up

and since its a TREE

made of WOOD. when there's FIRE near it

Heck the burning even showcases it perfectly.

picture tha tis

[uncut vault]

We won’t officially know till the animated short comes out

[dense plover]

animated short?

i thought it was a cutscene

[uncut vault]

We’re getting a lords of war style 2.5d animation for it

[dense plover]

oh

cool

[hollow dock]

watch it makes the horde be the good guys as they cleave some night elf in two

[dusky ginkgo]

(I am still alive, hi darlings)

[hollow dock]

Hi inay!

been a while

[meager warren]

hey, inay

vris, it being made of wood doesn't mean it's easy for it to all completely erupt in fire. it's a world tree and it's massive. also magic.

[tropic trail]

I’m made of wood.🍆

[hollow dock]

and the bombs being used are magical napalm bombs

your point?

[meager warren]

my point is, we don't know how powerful those bombs are until the actual cutscene/ animation

http://prntscr.com/jkg7fd
hopefully we see a return of all those other races in the Illidari.

[hollow dock]

The former members of the illidari were enslavedinto it

so

Doubtful they'll return

[meager warren]

ehh

they could still return tho, just not as slaves but as equals to the others

[uncut vault]

in case anyone has feedback to give devs about patch design in Legion/BfA

https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/998371454755291138

Jeremy Feasel (@Muffinus)

General feeling seems to be that Legion had solid content drip, but maybe 7.1 was a little too fast.

That said, is there anything you'd change about the content per patch? If you could swap X for Y.

I.e. "7.X could have used a ___, I would h...

Twitter

[dense plover]

honestly my only complaint is timegating in 7.2 sucked

but they know that

they talked about how it was too much with too little content over too long a period of time

outside of broken shore, i have no patch design problems

but im super casual

[uncut vault]

feedback I gave is swapping the balance styles of .0's and .0.5's

put the big spec overhauls like the destro one on the patch that has new outdoor, non raid content

to give people time to have fun and get used to it

and so they can make balance tweaks as needed

[dusky ginkgo]

@hollow dock @meager warren I transfered to an english server and now I can RP again so I have a small tendency to forgot to come here. (Also: often not the energy to try to keep track of conversations haha.) Glad to see you still here and seemingly well!
(It was the small parenthese that had nothing to do with Bfa)

[rich apex]

Oh yeah I still can't tweet because twitter suspended my account without telling me why

Can someone tweet Muffinus and tell him the only problem with Legion patch content was selling 7.2 as a continuation of the class campaign when it was actually just a timegated grind chain

[uncut vault]

people have, plenty

[rich apex]

Oh good

In two seconds of hindsight

I should have expected that

[tropic trail]

Rping in 2018.. Pft...

[hollow dock]

I still rp D=

[tropic trail]

Oh I do also. Well no not as of the last like week or so..