I dont htink it was the loa
#beta-ptr-spoilers
terse patrol
Vol’jin*
limber mural
to be honest I've always been sus of the loas telling vol'jin to go Sylv
sharp bluff
Vol'jin knows the difference between Loa and other things though
hollow dock
I will only accept Bwonsamdi doing.
mint arch
voljin was dying
limber mural
messages from gods is all well and good but they can be misinterpreted
hollow dock
because Bwonsamdi woulda just been a dick and told him to do that
limber mural
coughyrel
sharp bluff
Vol jin praised the Loa his whole life, worked closely with one, he knows
tropic trail
Yol'jin becomes a loa, also
limber mural
Wait he becomes a loa?
hollow dock
YOL'JIN
limber mural
Ugh
sharp bluff
But he stopped listening to the loa, voljin did not
hollow dock
THE YREL X VOL'JIN MIX
sharp bluff
Yol'jin...
hollow dock
They told em to go slaughter the draenei that they'd wipe out the orcs
Which was Kil'jaedens doing
limber mural
If Vol'jin comes back into the game as a loa that only makes my previous point about deaths even more funny
tropic trail
Vol'jin. And yes, the questline in beta has him become somewhat of a Loa afaik
hollow dock
Alright so
you take his ashes around the world right
but guess what
Zalazane is back
on the echo isle
so you go to fight him
he gets his hands on the ashes and tries to obliterate Vol'jin
limber mural
Tbh I think a nice touch in BfA would be a white wolf that seems a little too intelligent
hollow dock
Vol'jin punts him back and he states "The only way he could do this is if he became a...."
limber mural
If Vol'jin gets a implied return I want Varian to have one
hollow dock
it's left ambiguous
hollow dock
Again, left ambiguous
sharp bluff
darn
limber mural
Nah I reckon Varian could have like, an implied reincarnation or something idk
something nice to think about
tropic trail
so
are the forsaken gonna get driven out of eastern kingdoms
cus... they should
As far as we know, not totally
They still control parts of Silverpine and Hillsbrad. (and the status of andorhal is not known)
terse patrol
The Forsaken control Alterac, Tarren Mill, and Durnholde. They have guerilla warfare going on in Silverpine.
The Alliance control Southshore, Gilneas, Silverpine, Tirisfal, and the Plaguelands.
wild pewter
Will this be reflected in game or just through the mission table?
terse patrol
Probably not
tropic trail
Where is anything stated about the plaguelands though?
I haven't seen anything till now
hollow dock
the BFA mission table
tropic trail
Mhm, didn't think there was anything about the plaguelands in the mission table. Will look it up again, though
wild pewter
You'd hope the old zones would get updated even a little bit to reflect the faction conflict
hollow dock
the plague lands shouldn't be the plaguelands then
as they're mostly cleaned up by now
tropic trail
mhm, didn't find anything relating to them in the table
Ah, there.
Probably from andorhal then?
tropic trail
Ah, that's useful
near cosmos
why the fuck did they make the new warlock spell animations look so good, it's making me want to play one now REEEEEEEEE
mint arch
pale badger
Those bastards
Call dogs of demo lock would use some fix
Dogs should show up from portals not over them
wild pewter
Oooh beta update
dense plover
exe build
nothing big
also i just got typhus from a scorpion
it lasts 5 min and decreases all stats by 10%
dense plover
dont think so
but it wears off by the end of the quest
its not that bad
its a disease so if you cure disease then it doesnt matter
hollow dock
oh ok. that's good.
split valley
had a look at marlamin's diffs site. There about 19 new UI elements added with build 26637 but I dunno how to extract exactly which elements have changed
stiff vector
wild pewter
So Calia had a secret husband and a secret child... I wonder which new character that could be. 🤔
uncut vault
Inb4 people claim taelia, despite her having dark hair and skin and needing a mother who looks like that
rich apex
Another channel linked a reddit posting suggesting Bolvar
But
Admittedly Taelia doesn't not look like Bolvar/Calia, given that thought
uncut vault
I'd lose a bit more faith in blizz having a semblance of logic if they went with that
rich apex
Assuming Blizz is putting the slightest amount of thought into inherited appearances, anyhow
uncut vault
Cause in no world does two pale people with blonde and light orange hair make a darker skinned, black haired baby
rich apex
Genn discovers that Taelia isn't actually the rightful heir of Lordaeron
uncut vault
Inb4 genn is the secret husband
Tess is the secret kid
Queen of gilneas and lordaeron
rich apex
Of course
Taelina is like
the only dark skinned human character that's plot relevant
terse patrol
idk if Blizz cares that much.
uncut vault
Now she just needs to become a mage and marry anduin, become queen of dalaran and stormwind. Four kingdom queen
rich apex
(in before Bolvar isn't actually her father but he adopted her to save her from something)
(only to dump her onto a new adoptive father)
terse patrol
Taelia really isnt that dark skinned tho
rich apex
Who knows
uncut vault
She uses the second darkest human skin tone
terse patrol
I think yall are focusing on her being tanned too much.
uncut vault
It's not dark, but compared to Bolvar and taelia, she is
terse patrol
Consider me surprised if they randomly introduce a black character as a major character in WoW.
terse patrol
Otherwise, I fully expect her to be Calia's daughter.
rich apex
It's just an amusing thought
uncut vault
Yeah, calia and bolvar both have the second lightest human skin tone (though the first five are basically the same) and taelia has the second darkest
terse patrol
think you're looking too deep into it
uncut vault
Granted, wow humans have like half of the real life skin spectrum
steel venture
since we know she ain't gettin that from calia
terse patrol
Black humans come from Stranglethorn/South Seas.
rich apex
I just wanted to make a Ned Stark joke about Calia being fair of hair and skin but Taelia being dark of hair and skin 😛
uncut vault
Black humans come from everywhere in wow
rich apex
Taelia frames Genn for treason
uncut vault
They're just never relevant or shown
uncut vault
No, in BfA, basically half of kul Tiras is black
steel venture
honk its not a retcon its suplimentary information
uncut vault
A group of mostly black humans =\= they all come from there
terse patrol
Kul Tiras is also a seafaring nation.
steel venture
it gives an origin point but it doesnt mean its the ONLY place they come from
kul tiras comes from gilneans
and gilneans also can have dark skin
terse patrol
It's likely they picked up humans from the south seas over time.
steel venture
so its not like the tone is non-existant in northern lordaeron
and even FURTHER
vrykul
have
dark
skin
terse patrol
Anyways, by your logic Porter
Black humans can appear anywhere out of thin air essentially.
Soooo
rich apex
Blizz is definitely not thinking about genetics and cultural mixing when they gave Kul'tirans darker skin tones
terse patrol
Taelia being dark skinned seems fine by me.
uncut vault
Oh, I agree. I hope and expect taelias mother to be a dark skinned lordaeronian
rich apex
It's perfectly fine
terse patrol
She won't.
uncut vault
Hence the discussion about why calia won't be her mom
terse patrol
She'll be Calia's.
rich apex
It's just an amusing notion with the theory that Taelia's mother is some important lore character
Because there's no lore humans with remotely dark skin
uncut vault
There's also no lore humans that are relevant and women
uncut vault
They all die one way or another
terse patrol
I mean, I'm one of the people who've been asking Blizzard for some black representation.
It's awkward as fuck playing a black character with a white face.
uncut vault
What, you don't like the same 12 noses on all the faces?
terse patrol
lol
rich apex
Stranglethorn Human Allied Race when
cue the endless whining for one reason or another
terse patrol
"lol sjws"
rich apex
Yesterday someone said that WoD was ruined because Ion hired less skilled diversity hires
🤔
steel venture
yikes
terse patrol
Booty Bay used to be a human city.
uncut vault
Tfw ion wasn't running the show till mid legion
terse patrol
They made a deal with Steamwheedle while they were being attacked by trolls.
rich apex
Tho more lore on an entirely separate human culture would be kind of nice
In game instead of in one YA spinoff novel
tropic trail
are beta realms down atm? Also, is there somewhere online I can see their status?
tropic trail
thanks
ruby star
it's just fixes right?
oak wraith
Yeah, or picking up some back-end changes.
rapid berry
i chhanged factions from ally to horde im 120. does anyone have problem getting quest for amulet. or need t do something
did silithus qquest and other what needed
dawn wolf
What’s this I hear about zandalari being paladins
terse patrol
Zandalari Prelates.
dawn wolf
I swear
It better
I would like to play something other than a walking beef pile, or dead racial elf 😂
sharp bluff
it will happen
horde don't have a allied paladin yet, they are the only one left lol
dense plover
it might
or not
hopefully it will
def depends on 8.1 though
maybe we rez rezan
sharp bluff
It has to at this point, alliance was missing druids, and they got that now
the only question
is how will they right it in since we know part of the story
either rez a loa
or make some reason why they can use the loa light powers
sharp bluff
I can't wait to make a nice Maghar hunter myself, I can't wait to see the scenario since we got the title for it
dawn wolf
I think I’ll go maghar monk
sharp bluff
would be interesting
shame they have such nice shaman totems
so tempting to make a few of them
I am glad they can be monk though
means they either have some outland ones mixed in after they get to the main timeline, or they learned it in WoD
lavish pawn
sharp bluff
which means they were taught to be monks in WoD
and remembered and practiced for 30 years
hollow dock
that works too.
sharp bluff
no
hollow dock
but that's boring
dense plover
and leave draenor
dense plover
tje scenario ends with them leaving draenor forever
hollow dock
Yea that is true on the LFD
rich ocean
so draenor is compeltly taken by the light?
dense plover
and nightborne learned monk stuff relatively fast
sharp bluff
If it was that easy LFD would be monks lol
hollow dock
We dont know Fel
rich ocean
lol... Outland taking by the demons and void, draenor taken by the light and draenei.
sharp bluff
well Nightborne were a full year basically of being with us
dense plover
they are fully dedicated to the light
dense plover
by being dedicated to the light, you cant find balance
hollow dock
Like the worgen.
hollow dock
They're in capable of it due to their beast side
dense plover
being a monk involves being at balance
hollow dock
Goblins are just to greedy.
sharp bluff
and the Kul tirans not having monks?
rich ocean
idk why goblins and worgen couldnt become monks but tauren and draenei could and they have hooves.
hollow dock
We dont know their classes
sharp bluff
they weren't mined as monks I thought
hollow dock
We just said why they couldn't Fel
hollow dock
Worgen are incapable of findnig balance
hollow dock
Due to their beastial wrath within them.
rich ocean
it just seems weird that its worgen and goblin, not like goblin and gnomes
rich ocean
the two cata races.
dense plover
goblins are greedy people
grredy people have no internal balance
neither do worgen
rich ocean
... gnomes are normal people? very debatable, nothing is that short and "normal"
dense plover
worgen cant keep themselves under control
void elves are special because they could learn to be monks prior to becoming void elves
sharp bluff
I'll still think my way, but your way does make sense in this case for sure, and you raise a strong argument
a forsaken finding balance is funny to me though lol
dense plover
forsaken can find balance eventually
dense plover
exactly
sharp bluff
You need healing Vris?
dense plover
thats essentially what lillian voss has done on a personal level
accepting yourself because you cant change what you have become
thats internal balance
its a step toward inner peace
monks
sharp bluff
true, and since they have not talked about the declining condition of forsaken lately I guess many of them could come to terms
sharp bluff
well the monks could
sharp bluff
I suppose your theory also makes sense
dense plover
i play a monk
sharp bluff
maybe it is both who knows
sharp bluff
beautiful map
hollow dock
Regardless of light or dark, when you fully dedicate to one that isn't balance. As peach said.
dense plover
especially about monks
its kind of the entire point of the sha
falling to the light or the dark is loss of balance
hollow dock
Exception being void elves. Since they need to balance and have it grandfathered from blood elves
dense plover
and thats where emotion happens
sharp bluff
that monk goblin confuses me a lot more now then
dense plover
i mean
exception to the rule
not every goblin loves money
just most of them
almost all
sharp bluff
:shock:
sharp bluff
lol
I wonder if we will get any new class combos for the base races somewhere this xpac
hollow dock
like how theres 1 goblin for the alliance
tulip sun
Ya, there is one goblin in the monk order hall
dense plover
they said they dont plan to add any new race/class combos at the moment in the last QA
sharp bluff
darn, maybe next xpac
tulip sun
They are adding a lot more races to be fair
hollow dock
Race/class combo isnt the same as a new race. o=
tranquil steeple
The Vulpera are at this point in the same boat as High Elves; wanted, but most likely not going to be given.
tropic trail
This is dangerously to close to foxgirls. We don't need more furries
tulip sun
Selatharia, I completely disagree.
Vulpera honestly are one of the most likely races in-game atm
tropic trail
I will unsub in seconds
sharp bluff
since no headgear yet
tropic trail
If I see fox girls
uncut vault
if you're alliance, you get to murder fox girls
tulip sun
Ok, yes. Let us draw the line at small, savage fox people.
sharp bluff
if we start to see headgear on the snakes, then they MAY have a chance
tropic trail
Welp looks like I can't play horde anymore
sharp bluff
only a chance though
tulip sun
No, you just need to take a chill pill
sharp bluff
Really you drew the line at fox girls? have you seen the female worgen?
tulip sun
Furries as in those who are attracted to animal peeps?
tropic trail
Something like thst
sharp bluff
and the giant female cow people?
tropic trail
Cow people I don't consider as furries
hollow dock
Furries are people who want to be anthros
tropic trail
They are beef
tulip sun
....what does having vulpera playable have to do with furries
sharp bluff
fur
tropic trail
They don't have fur
sharp bluff
Tauren have fur-like hair
meager warren
@hollow dock you want sneks but not vulpera?
odd.
tulip sun
So you are against animal-like races?
tropic trail
The whole point
sharp bluff
no
meager warren
vris is a half-weeb
tropic trail
FURries
meager warren
yes
tulip sun
WE have
tropic trail
How about you go back to furry land
uncut vault
we're in furry land
tulip sun
Taunka
uncut vault
thats what wow is
tulip sun
Furbolg
tropic trail
Oh lord Port, you are right.
tulip sun
Get over it, and just play the game. Vulpera fit in perfectly fine. They are not anime girls
tropic trail
Yes it does Dafire
hollow dock
Furry does not pertain to only fur thigns
tropic trail
That's exactly what it means
I'm just here to trigger you now. This is making me giggle more then it should.
sharp bluff
see the thing is until we get headgear updated for snakes, and i mean more then the posted pictures of non blizz employees doing I would not get your hopes up for the snakes
(don't get me wrong i would love the snakes)
....
tulip sun
<@&299347348847329281>
rotund sorrel
boooo
meager warren
foxes make sense tho. sneks, as much as i love them, don't make sense. especially in alliance
tropic trail
Ya'll take things to serious.
uncut vault
I mean, in terms of setting up recruitment
barren latch
👀
uncut vault
sethrak have the most blunt suggestion ever
"these sethrak will make valuable allies in the future" and the like
harsh canyon
No playable Dryads
ruby star
I think we all need to realise that High Elves are the greatest race in the history of the game
tropic trail
Once more, taking things wayyy to serious. I hardly care for what races get out in I just like poking fun at the fox people
tulip sun
Vulpera I highly suspect to be playable. Sethrak I am skeptical on, but either way, they will continue to appear.
sharp bluff
but some Sethrak also work with the horde correct? that is also a problem to think about
meager warren
No playable cat-people
tulip sun
Wooa o.O
meager warren
khajit ftw
tulip sun
I love Khajiit
tropic trail
I want, the tuskers
ruby star
Void GNOEMS
uncut vault
nightborne also work with the alliance
polar geode
lol I was just thinking of Khajit wwhen you said cat people
uncut vault
same with lightforged, and highmountain
meager warren
yw
tropic trail
Can we all be lightforged
uncut vault
but all of them showed a clear tendency towards a faction
sharp bluff
true, and they did all have rep we could get as horde guys
uncut vault
same applies to sethrak
tropic trail
Every race t least
meager warren
lightforged undead?
sharp bluff
Highmountain and LFD made sense for joining their race, nightborne was the odd one
tulip sun
Nightborne worked
meager warren
and them not being playable is fucking stupid
would be nice if every race could play every class
meager warren
orc druids
tranquil steeple
That's a balance nightmare and a half, sadly.
sharp bluff
Tauren and Drenai are made sense for the fact they believe they are stronger with their 'family'
unborn pagoda
My favorite is murloc paladin
sharp bluff
where as nightborne they explained after
polar geode
#nothingissacred
tropic trail
Goblin paladins
meager warren
#Nothingissacred
tropic trail
PANADA DRUIDS
meager warren
panada?
tropic trail
THEIR BEAR FORM IS JUST THEIR BEST
meager warren
whatsdis
meager warren
Canada but for pandas
sharp bluff
so based on the argument of the nightborne, I potentially could see it happening, but considering they don't have any fitted headgear yet, and their tabards are very funky, i would say hold off hope for now, they are getting updated atm though, so who knows
uncut vault
I mean I dont think anyone expects vulpera or sethrak soon
theyll probably be like the first four
sharp bluff
oh of course not
uncut vault
recruited at the end of the xpac
meager warren
i wanna play undead troll.
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/small/355748.jpg
uncut vault
after we beat all the threats
hollow dock
Just call them forsaken
tropic trail
Yes like thst
hollow dock
vs normal undead
sharp bluff
I could see that being the case
tropic trail
Oh yeah right.
meager warren
that undead troll is hot af
sharp bluff
we are getting 2 at launch, and 2 post launch for sure, that is already a lot of work to level them again
so i would not expect anymore till down the road
uncut vault
tropic trail
I feel like a 3rd faction for the Lich King should be known as the Undead which you can play every race as undead and all dks join the Lick King faction as we run the world
sharp bluff
to hold us off during a drought
uncut vault
finally got the sandstorm in voldun
sharp bluff
oh man
meager warren
what if the Lich King's faction is just "Ebon Blade"
uncut vault
the new effect that will happen in all the sandy zones in Kalimdor too
sharp bluff
that is grand looking Port
tropic trail
I mean, Ebon blade was made for the reason of being neutral right?
tranquil steeple
Probably not for the explicit sake of being neutral but distinguishing themselves from the Lich King (and his servants)
tropic trail
Ah well, I was close-ish. Though I feel if the LK came back to make his own faction it wouldn't be the Ebon Blade. I feel like the Ebon blade would be all those who don't follow him. Cause I'd give no doubt in my mind their would be some death knights who would and wouldn't join him
meager warren
but the current lich king is the leader of the Ebon Blade
tropic trail
No no
tranquil steeple
Publicly to anyone but the Ebon Blade, the Lich King is dead
unborn pagoda
Arfas Manfil is ded, but LK as himself is in da LK Krown
tropic trail
He is alive I'm saying I don't think anyone knows there is a lich king after arthas
As far as it's known
The Death knights brought back the four horsemen.
As they tried to get tirion
And I'm sure the paladins just assumed it as dks or Ebon blade looking for new champions. And thst I THINK we the players are the "leader"
unborn pagoda
Lil'offtopic.. Any thoughs / ideas about Arfas's rework inna HotS?
tropic trail
Haven't played him.
Not since I first started playing a year ago or more.
Im a blaze main.
unborn pagoda
Yop, blaze is my new goal to l2p.. Im mostly warrior player..
I hope it will be interesting rework.. But havent any idea..
tropic trail
I play everything. I enjoy being able to flex on who I am playing, Healer/Specialist/Warrior/Assassin.
I like being good at all of it. Blaze is a great tank in the right hands, I play very aggressive and take about 90% of all my fights, so if Im playing with someone I need big damage dealers there to back me up. Maeiv is the new hero I am going to learn as I love the way she plays and she is a lot of fun when I have played her. Also looking forward to the diablo rework they recently did as I have a love for Diablo siince I recently started playing him.
tropic trail
What does the Kul Tiras/Zandalar map look like
i.e is it like Eastern Kingdoms/Kalimdor or like Northrend/Pandaria
where it's fancy
tropic trail
Shesh.. Here I thought Kalimdor would be closer to Zandalar.
Waiting to see another island appear near Kalimdor.
tranquil steeple
Remember... Horde bias. It's all Horde bias.
tropic trail
sure as long as it has a large cannon
to shoot the exodar
because fuck the exodar
I mean I feel like Horde has the advantage in this war already.
tropic trail
the exodar has the exobar though
dense plover
because it is plot irrelevant
tropic trail
Zandalar is a front to push Kul'tirus. Ontop of it all Horde have priority over the azerite in silithus.
how can u say no to that
uncut vault
horde doesnt have the advantage
tropic trail
I feel they do..
uncut vault
its very clearly stated the alliance does, in fact
tropic trail
i wish they'd round out the map so it's more like a net of a sphere (which is impossible but like, at least try to make it a possible world
uncut vault
kul tiran fleet is more powerful than both the horde fleet and the zandalari one
tropic trail
not on land
Horde gonna drain the sea
boom, horde advantage
Hm, yeah I will give them that but I feel Zandalar turns the odds do to the shamans and Loa and all that.
They can control storms and shit I mean.
tropic trail
That's how I feel at least, I feel the Zandalari turn the tides in that. While your fleet is strong can it compare to a massive storms they could possibly form.
uncut vault
the horde has to steal a relic to try and be on par with the Kul Tiran tidesages
tropic trail
Ooooo
uncut vault
zandalari simply have arcane based shipwrights
tropic trail
See, this is why I want beta.
I wanna learn this but everyone has it but me and half of them dont even play it XD.
Hell, my girl has it and she doesn't even play Wow anymore.
So are we still unconfirmed on Zandalari Paladins?
terse patrol
ye theres a reason the Kul Tirans wrecked the Horde and Steamwheedle fleet during the Second War
The Horde had to get dragons to even the odds
and then we brought in gryphons
ripperonis
tropic trail
Hm, so the Horde really doesn't have much backing them.
terse patrol
navally
tropic trail
What about all the Azerite wouldn't that give them something of an advantage at least?
I mean new mineral and shit. You'd assume they would find a way to use it.
uncut vault
goblins actually stole the gnome plans for the war machines
tropic trail
Could be wrong about it, Though feel like it could be used for some sort ammo or enhancer of some sort since it is basically the blood of azeroth.
Which you'd think is super powerful or something.
Given it is titan blood right>?
tropic trail
Hm, is it powerful then or?
tropic trail
See this is why I think Sylvanas is a great leader.
She was smart burning teldrassil..
Despite what I have seen with her genocide things from the screenshots I have seen. It's clear this is a war she plans to win at all costs. And I gotta say I can get behind that even if people think it's terrible.
dense plover
to be clear
both sides are about equal
but kul tiran fleet is better than zandalari
big difference is the loa the zandalari have
and the horde has more soldiers
less skilled
but higher numbers
tropic trail
You know what they say.
hollow dock
You see all of teldrassil burning right?
tropic trail
Strength in numbers!
hollow dock
that's because of Azerite explosives. (Which is heavily hinted but not confirmed as of yet)
tropic trail
Oooh.
dense plover
we need that cutscene
tropic trail
See, tactically speaking. Sylvanas is freaking smart.
hollow dock
It's pretty clear it is sylvanas that does it
No one has ever denied it
but what we do deny is calling this action
which slaughters and murders a lot of civilians, children women, non-combatants
tropic trail
I feel Azerite puts the Horde a bit more above the Alliance.
hollow dock
grey
dense plover
oh its super not grey
tropic trail
Having that kind of explosive to blow up those big fleets.
dense plover
its very horde - fuck everyone else if you arent horde
hollow dock
Indeed peach
hollow dock
but literally everyone else out there is saying"Horde isn't evil this is all grey actions1!1111!!"
dense plover
its evil from a nonhorde perspective
hollow dock
When it clearly isnt
dense plover
if you are horde it may or may not be evil
tropic trail
This seems very horde like.
hollow dock
this is just wanton murder of the civilians
hollow dock
which is yes very hordelike
dense plover
if you are an orrc
tropic trail
Garrosh did nothing wrong.
dense plover
you got the same shit from humans and night elves
especially the kul tirans
they killed your cchildren
sharp bluff
I wonder how Kul Titans will react to brown orcs lol
dense plover
they killed your wives
hollow dock
I dont remmeber a time the night elves killing children?...
tropic trail
Let's be real.
hollow dock
The orcs didn't throw kids into teldrassil
dense plover
especially the second war
tropic trail
Elves ruined everything.
hollow dock
Second warthe night elvesweren't apart of
dense plover
the kul tirans murdered entire ships
distant folio
Night elves did not take part in the Second War
distant folio
Yes.
distant folio
Because they were ruining their forests. And then they allied with them.
tropic trail
Once more elves ruined everything to begin with.
dense plover
i guarantee there were children and wives there
distant folio
Nothing indicating they killed children and wives
As far as we know it was army vs army
tropic trail
I mean they split azeroth apart.
dense plover
ashenvale wasnt an army
tropic trail
Jerks.
tulip sun
Here we go
distant folio
Yeah it was.
dense plover
it was the main section of orcs
tropic trail
Orc's just want a place to live man. Leave em alone.
distant folio
It was Grom and his clan sent especially away by Thrall on a "false" mission because they were literally too Fel'd up and savage.
tulip sun
Gimme a minute
dense plover
woops
second war and kul tirans though
thats valid
same with first war and humans
they took orcs as slaves
they captured and tortured them
they killed women and children
distant folio
no
tropic trail
Lore check!
distant folio
They imprisoned them because they did not want to just kill and slaughter them all
They also couldnt just let them rampage through their lands so they imprisoned them
sharp bluff
And then made them fight to the death in the camps
dense plover
that too
distant folio
Yes, Thrall mounted an army, attacked more people, and then stole boats and left. So Daelin chased them (on his own, by the way, the Alliance wasnt backing him up either)
tropic trail
Can we jut agree both sides are a bit twisted?
distant folio
Oh yeah I'm not saying Alliance is 100% good
tulip sun
We all know to the Alliance, it is evil. Anyone attacking anyone else would be evil to that faction.
distant folio
Well yes why would they let all the orcs out?
tulip sun
But to the Horde, it is good.
dense plover
and ships were mercilessly slaughtered
distant folio
I dont think the ships were slaughtered, I think Daelin only caught up to them once they got to Darkspear Island?
dense plover
but killing people fleeing for their lives?
distant folio
Prisoners, to be fair, who had caused more rampage before leaving
tropic trail
Both factions are bad and good to the people who are on their side is the way I look at it. Horde is doing things that have gone on and who is to know what goes on that we players dont really know about.
distant folio
In real life too you chase prisoners who escape
dense plover
literally the second war
tropic trail
Yes but you dont try and destroy them..
dense plover
daelinn attempts to wipe out the entire horde as they are trying to flee
it works
he brings numbers down
and horde isnt able to leave until wc3
he murdered anyone
if you were on a horde ship
you were killed
distant folio
Again, why would they let them leave? If the population of the US prisons' criminals broke out would they be chased down or would the US let them go "settle" somewhere else?
dense plover
if they wanted to leave and go somewhere no one cared about?
sure
hello australia
distant folio
No
tropic trail
Lmao australia
distant folio
That was Britain sending their prisoners away.
distant folio
In real life when people break out of prison they are chased down.
dense plover
individuals
we dont imprison entire peoples
its fucked up
ww2 was the last time
doesnt make us look good does it?
tropic trail
Chase down, doesn't mean they get capture and we gotta taken in account here this is a GAME.
distant folio
If an entire army of invading demonic people came and burned entire countries to the ground for no reason? Yes you can be sure you'd do something.
dense plover
sure
but then they communicate with you
say please let us find somewhere
our world is dead
tropic trail
Real life isn't gonna be the same as some lore.
harsh wedge
What do I need to do to see burning teldrassil on beta ?
tropic trail
Things are always different.
dense plover
we want to go to that other continent where no one lives
you need to have done siege of lordaeron
distant folio
And do the same thing they did to this c ontinent?
dense plover
they wrecked like 2 zones
harsh wedge
thanks @dense plover
tropic trail
oh are we talking about the new leak from amazon?
if so i think sylvanas was in the right
distant folio
They wrecked nearly the entire Eastern Kingdoms from the very south to the north, from Stormwind to Quel'Thalas and Lordaeron including Dun Morogh.
distant folio
It's not fucked up to imprison them. They imprisoned them because they 1) couldn't let them free, and kill more people 2) did not want to just kill and slaughter them all. Instead they had to stop them from acting, ie imprisoning them.
tropic trail
i shall keep quiet then friend!!
dense plover
yeah
but then they tried to leave
not to go attack
but to settle down
in peace
and they werent allowed to
distant folio
Why would you let the army who burned your entire continent to ashes leave and go on another continent, where they might do the same thing? Or even just return and invade you again?
Of course they were not allowed to.
tulip sun
Because they are mainly the descendents? Not those that actually did it
dense plover
because maybe having some morals?
distant folio
They are literally the same who did it @tulip sun
dense plover
most of the orcs they have imprissoned were not in the first war
most of the surviving orcs are grown children
born as they left
distant folio
"because then they arent your problem?"
How are they not your problem? So you're s aying it is more morally good to let them go on another continent and do the same thing they did to your continent?
dense plover
or born on azeroth
distant folio
No
distant folio
The Second War was 1 year after the First War. It's literally the exact same people.
Literally the same leaders, the same warlords
dense plover
thrall was a kid when he came during the first war
tropic trail
Wow Wars need to last longer then a year.
i personally picked horde as my main faction because i didn’t like the idea of the alliance constantly trying to get rid of them, even though they were no longer under the influence of someone else and just looking for their own place to live.
i don’t really dig the whole “punish the children of those who did wrong” schtick
distant folio
You said Second War. Second War is 1 year after the end of First War. If you meant Lord of the Clans, that's about 8 years after the closing of the Dark Portal, 8 years is still the same people.
tropic trail
so in the grand scheme of this convo i don’t believe that descendants should be punished for crimes committed that they had no part in
dense plover
^^^
sharp bluff
A better example would be the Forsaken sending envoys to the alliance to try to join them first
distant folio
It's not "the children of those who did wrong", it's the exact same people.
dense plover
bing bing
tropic trail
sure, they have the potential to carry on, but theres an even bigger potential that they wont
distant folio
It's not the descendants. It's 8 years later. Unless you're saying Thrall's army was made of 8 years old.
tropic trail
Sounds like a cool army.
tropic trail
They must play fortnite.
distant folio
Thrall's army was not made of 8 years old.
tropic trail
well, you could argue that those adults have children. we cant exactly go around punishing families
distant folio
That's just wrong.
distant folio
The statement that Thrall's army was made of 8 years old is wrong. It was made up of the orcs imprisoned during the Second War.
tropic trail
Also whats wrong with 8year old warriors? Spartans did it they trained their children from birth.
dense plover
orc adulthood is 12-13
distant folio
Also 8yo is not adult, 12 years old is, for orcs.
dense plover
so if you were a 4 year old
distant folio
The statement that Thrall's army was made of 8 years old is wrong. It was made up of the orcs imprisoned during the Second War.
The same army.
Freed.
It's literally the exact same people.
The same leaders.
The same soldiers.
tropic trail
You have to consider how people feel after things as traumatic as being a slave and other things.
distant folio
I do, I'm not sure how that fits in the conversation however
They were saying that it was not fair to inflict this on "the descendants of those who did wrong" and that it wasn't the same orcs. But that was wrong, it's not the descendants, it's literally the exact same people who did wrong, the same orcs, 8 years later.
tropic trail
weren’t the orcs basically mind controlled? i’m slightly new to WoW but i mean, after that mind control is up, i feel you gotta give people some slack
unless they weren’t being controlled
distant folio
They weren't mind controlled, they were Fel'd up
dense plover
they were enraged
distant folio
And they didn't even know that
distant folio
Not mind control. Except on Garona
tropic trail
hm, then that does paint quite the conundrum
in that case, its kind of toeing the line
Yeah it seems like that
distant folio
I always found this funny, Gul'dan and his Shadow COuncil had the power to mindcontrol people and the only person they mindcontrol is... Garona. Sure she was a fine assassin. But mindcontrolling more people... like the Warchief... could've been useful as well.
tropic trail
on one hand, being imprisoned probably didnt help quell their raging tendencies. on the other hand, you wound up imprisoned for a reason 🤔
distant folio
And literally nobody else in history does that again. Like, it's a spell that exists, Cho'gall knows it, and uses it on Garona.... again.
It's like the Lich King. He used his plague... before... then stopped.
distant folio
He got the power to annihilate an entire human village overnight and turn them into his servants. He also did it to a whole human kingdom, Lordaeron. And never uses it again.
Still doesn't make sense we won in Wrath.
sharp bluff
Magic
tropic trail
Cause plot.
distant folio
"Before I conquer the world, I'm going to taunt the entire world into attacking me, killing every single one of my most powerful commanders, destroying all my floating citadels, annihilating my entire armies I spent 4358 years building up, so I can raise about 25 champions. And then I'm going to use these champions to conquer the world!"
sharp bluff
Murderhobos are linked to spirit healers, Arthas KNOWS
distant folio
Even more funnier, all throughout Northrend questing it was either :
- "Hi champion, I'm the Lich King. I'm not gonna kill you now though, I'll do it at some other point later. See ya!"
or - "Hi champion, oh you died? Hmm I could raise you. Or.. I could bring you back to life, and then kill you at some point later, and then raise you!"
tropic trail
This is what we call plot armor.
meager warren
shhh don't talk kindly about blizzard
tropic trail
Shh just don't talk about them.
tropic trail
really hoping
2020 expac is like cata 2
i see lots about scourge returning
bolvar etc
splitting the horde and alliance
hd models
it'd be great
and for the love of GOD redo the maps on Eastern and Kalimdor
More cities
more mini islands by kalimdor would be cool
what if BFA Island Expeditions got added to the world map
since there's gotta be a limit to how many there are
blizzard said that
"return to the same isle but"
charting the world map
Sea content would be cool
like having our own boats
hollow dock
I honestly wanted an expansion of WoD's admiral table
Where we control like. A portion of the Kul Tiran fleet
hollow dock
and we can walk each of the boats and such
tropic trail
and the boat is replaced with kul tiras boat
how do new draenei reach eastern kingdoms?
hollow dock
Portals
also do remember that the Teldrassil/Tirisfall stuff
is all post-110
pre-110 it never happens
tropic trail
ah thats confusing still
tranquil steeple
Story-based phasing.
tranquil steeple
The further you progress, the more things change visually for you.
hollow dock
Oh and blasted lands
tranquil steeple
With the option to go to the old version
tranquil steeple
The scenario's part of a quest tho, isn't it?
hollow dock
nope
tranquil steeple
Oh
hollow dock
The proper british people are void elves
steel venture
Not as heavy as Gilneans.
hollow dock
Not heavy cockney*
tropic trail
no GABBIN'?
jade basalt
Hunters got a new weapon holding animation. It's when you have a target that you want to auto attack (right click) but it is too far, kind of like how Melee sort of wiggle on the spot waiting to spare. (Not my screens, from the Lore discord)
Tagging @serene marsh in case this is news worthy
uncut vault
oh my god finally
rich apex
wat wat wat
jade basalt
It was first seen in the BFA trailer when those Zandalari hold their blowguns
tranquil steeple
That bugged quiver for Thas'dorah, though. Lol
uncut vault
been requesting the actual nims come to players for months now
just been sitting as npc only for so long
tranquil steeple
Also.. that arrow going through the guard(?) on Thas'dorah too
jade basalt
They did say the new anims would be given to players, this is the first instance of it !
Next one should be the sexy leaning on the countertop animation https://i.imgur.com/HNTu8Gm.jpg
rich apex
Guardsmen stances please
uncut vault
I read that as "big sexy" and I instantly agreed
jade basalt
That would be the Tirasian human idle animation of course
tulip sun
Interesting
The way alliance get the brutosaur is from a bpack market guy that smuggles them
hollow dock
OH THANK GOD
tulip sun
Black*
hollow dock
Hunter animations for idle combat!
hollow dock
Oh neat! more black market pandaren
true matrix
:(
true matrix
hee
jade basalt
Looks like she's scared so she's all tight/stiff
tropic trail
Isn't Taelia.. Bolvars kid?
uncut vault
She is
barren igloo
just to double check, legendaries in bfa wont be like the ones in this xpac right?
uncut vault
so far there are no legendaries in BfA
we might get a questline but no, they wont be like Legions
barren igloo
a questline...
rich apex
Like Shadowmourne
barren igloo
like the ring and cloak from wod/mists?
tulip sun
Gotta keep those hand sturdy to fire xD
tropic trail
I kinda like that...
Crossbow/gun for that is cool when its out.
I hope that stays a thing as that'd look great.
wild pewter
Thank God we finally get new animations
tropic trail
This a legit thing yes?
rich apex
Yes
scenic field
nice booty
lime totem
can a person buy beta key?
worn rune
Why would you want to pay to test an unfinished product?
lime totem
personal refrence
clever ember
I wouldn’t trust buying a beta key from someone.
lime totem
i really wanna get to test the new changes to classes
rich apex
Pretty sure Blizz banhammers you if you literally sell a beta key
jade basalt
You can try winning a giveaway, most fansites do them, Wowhead will have one soon, same for /r/wow, etc.
worn rune
wowhead, mmo champ, streamers
tropic trail
I'd buy a beta key from my friends
Cause I wanna play beta and all of them have beta but me.
I wanna see more of those weapon animations with the gun/crossbows on other characters.
clever ember
The only way you can get your hands on a key safely is from a giveaway. Most other people who have it probably just have their accounts flagged for beta. They won’t be given a key.
rich apex
^
clever ember
It’ll just automatically be linked to their account.
All my friends and my brother have beta too. It sucks they can all play and I am still impatiently waiting for mine.
lime totem
guess gotta wait 😦