I love him, destroying the alliance xD
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tulip sun
tulip sun
Yes, yes you were.
slate ingot
if you remember sagehold
from stormsong alliance questing
tentacles and wavespeaker reid
slate ingot
hordes getting into some bad shit
hollow dock
M O R A L L Y G R E Y
mint arch
victims
slate ingot
keep that in mind the book was Thomas Zellings
mint arch
โ
slate ingot
zelling appears to be into void magics
slate ingot
WQ
tulip sun
Oh, remember what it was for?
tulip sun
Not particularly
tulip sun
I honestly find the faction war very interesting compared to old god stuff
slate ingot
zeiling is going to probably be used for some old god things for the faction war
ruby star
Credit: Mr GM ๐ but wow Ghunn looks tiny from this perspective
wild pewter
Quite OP then
slate ingot
for reference Lilian called in a valkyr I missed that grab tho
and the conversation
and yes it is Lilian who gives him her word she will protect his family
is finished assuming more comes later but yeah its done in a round about way
tulip sun
Kyra....
tulip sun
Hmmm....that title is interesting
Suggests we are just now preparing to fight
Ready for War, now that we did all that
slate ingot
mind you the strike on boralus is changed to dazar alor or something for alliance
slate ingot
for reference this is where i am now with the honorbound 7th legion is the alliance version
tulip sun
Is that...friendly?
slate ingot
revered
tulip sun
Hm, not bad
slate ingot
war campaign is a ton of rep
slate ingot
read the text
uncut vault
slate ingot
its not assault on boralus
read the ready for war achievement for alliance
and the listed quests
hollow dock
yea that's Dollmaster Dorian
Seems to me that Feasels is joking about the stitched together mess tha tis this beta
wild pewter
I wonder what the strike of Zuldazar is for
slate ingot
its probably akin to what the horde did
either an artifact or something else
entirely
slate ingot
but horde war campaign done
wild pewter
Something to give them a "leg up" just like the Horde, presumably
slate ingot
nothing consequential comes of it
wild pewter
Congrats!
slate ingot
atm
wild pewter
Did you enjoy it at least?
slate ingot
yes
its has more polish and the story is far better than the alliance one mainly because the alliance once seems buggy and just messy to all kingdom come
and testing it is a bit of a mess
uncut vault
Dont go near Southwind Ferry dock, the entire area east of it is a perma disconnect zone for characters
ruby star
@wild pewter brace for what?
slate ingot
but if I have to dive again into pitch black to find dead bodies
with out quest tracking
hollow dock
As I said
rich apex
Bugs? In a beta?
wild pewter
Whatever Muffins is planning
slate ingot
no i know its a beta lol
hollow dock
and joking about the stitched together beta
wild pewter
He likes to keep us on our toes
hollow dock
since its dollmaster dorian and all that
wild pewter
I hope at least the Alliance meets the same standard
uncut vault
apparently beta forcibly DCs you because your settings need to be higher to load in an item lol
slate ingot
but yeah if people are curious about later parts of the horde side campaign
just dig through my past messages from earlier today
lots of screens
ruby star
If you want content the horde is waiting for you
inserts Ion's face ๐
but seriously, I'm sure they'll add Alliance stuff next build hopefully ๐
slate ingot
you should see the horizon on the boat
in the great sea for the derek prooudmoore thing
its just ooooo
but I have no use for any of the screens I took albeit theyre terrible who ever has a use for them use them
tulip sun
AHHHHH
Poor Guzzy
That must have been so scary
-have to admit, Dreven looked badass-
tulip sun
I can't decide if I feel bad for Guzzy or really like DReven ๐
slate ingot
I feel bad for zeling, stone is used briefly and never seen again in the current canpaign
meager warren
zeiling*
ruby star
@slate ingot He's a grammar kid, don't worry xD
slate ingot
And stone is just a heres where Derek proudmoore is and then she's gone
ruby star
Oooo I am surprised his body did not rot though
slate ingot
Yeah check my screens I have a pic of his body
ruby star
Yeah i saw I think
slate ingot
That quest is a visual nightmare tho
ruby star
Ah wish I could try them out but no beta so xD
jade basalt
@slate ingot Does Zelling actually hurt his family or does he just scare them ?
slate ingot
It's really cool, but it's visually a nightmare
He scares them but text explains it
I screen capped the dialogue
jade basalt
I saw yeah.
ruby star
doesn't he regret it once His family gets scared?
slate ingot
He does, but they're also building up lilian
It seems
Per the dialogue
And other dialogue
ruby star
interesting
slate ingot
I missed the valkyr part where the valkyr raises zelling. But I got the dialogue
But if some one does get to that part please screen cap the valkyr
It covers a but more detail
Bit*
But I do hope they add a letter or something that hints to a continuation of the campaign
uncut vault
theyve already said the war campaign will span the whole xpac
slate ingot
I know that, I was talking like a hint via mail that more is to come
Like they did I thought in wod
tulip sun
I like that Sylvanas lets us have a val'kyr to help us though
Supposedly a larger one? maybe? Maybe not
It is named at least
ruby star
?
slate ingot
What's that suppose to be
The valkyr lilian is named
She gets the power to call it from sylvanas
It's like kyr I believe
slate ingot
Tis a really vague image
uncut vault
the really obvious archer pose, lol
hollow dock
Proper idle archer animations
like we have for literally everything else
I guess their 'aggro' animations? Not sure what their exact name is. Combat idle.
uncut vault
the combat ready anims
slate ingot
Which Naga area
uncut vault
Fort Daelin
slate ingot
So fogport harbor
Zeiling nukes it with like 5 tornadoes
What does the alliance do to it
fogport is where the guy is rescued off the boat
uncut vault
Not at that area
slate ingot
Oh no I was asking about what the alliance does to fog port machinery
Or what ever the name is already forgot
As zelling basically levels it with tornadoes, and I think he's being set up as a boss in a 5 man or raid, and the alliance burns it I believe
tropic trail
that is some really bright ice
karmic copper
beta
rich apex
Beta plus inky black potion
Or whatever it's called
(right? they haven't changed that since I last did it?)
slate ingot
Yeah they took the darkness up to 11 in the war campaign
tropic trail
use day and night for storytelling? pfft nah, clearly the entire siege took place over about an hour
mint arch
man, i understand the gameplay reasons for a brighter nighttime
but man do i want dark ass night
in games in general
tropic trail
I wish we had gotten to see what duskwood was planned to be
dark af and you needed torches and stuff
mint arch
^
slate ingot
It's inky black on steroids
mint arch
its a gameplay thing there, torches and light sources
use it blizzard -_-
be creative
could just be a single zone or something to test it out
limber mural
duskwood would have been fun with proper darkness
limber mural
'am I going the right way stitches reeee's out of the bushes and merks you yep'
tropic trail
that's why theres a ton of vanilla weapons that are light sources, there were supposed to be dark areas
they toyed with this with vault of the wardens, and honestly I kinda liked it
mint arch
ya
ionic terrace
Twitter
uncut vault
here's hoping when he says many awesome new things, he means many
slate ingot
btw some hints with Nathanos V Katherine/proudmoores
slate ingot
thats what he says after he goes to tiragarde
tulip sun
I was talking about that tweet
slate ingot
oh ye
they probably have assets just not deployed yet
but most content is probably done
uncut vault
I think he more means the creation of assets and the like
not "the entire xpac is done and final"
rich apex
Pretty sure we've still got content patches coming, yes ๐
I was assuming he means the last of the new content for beta
slate ingot
in terms of the beta most of the assets are probably already in or just need to be finished
theres a couple areas where it just isnt textured
uncut vault
the gnome stuff has a few missing assets
slate ingot
I know when I was finishing the campaign, there was a missing steering wheel on one of the ships, and missing cell bars
but its a lot of small things
from just doing the three zones and such
though boralus has six untextured statues
uncut vault
new families are coming so probably horse family
rich apex
As long as the crawgs are tameable
dense plover
definitely
dense plover
probably wont be
though it would be cool if you could earn it by earning Jani's favor
tulip sun
That would be cool
uncut vault
my character got messed up and reset, where on earth do you get war resources?
speak of the devil and he shall appear
slow hill
New build? 26604?
uncut vault
seemed small
stiff vector
Exe build no content changes
terse patrol
New content prolly next week
tulip sun
I dun wanna waitttttt lol
slate ingot
I just want a bread crumb of more plot for 8.1 tho it won't happen
uncut vault
I mean, gnome stuff seems to hint at future story
slate ingot
I want to see Katherine and nathanos square off tho
Or, zeling connected to the old gods tho gnomes are interesting I suppose
distant folio
runescape, eve, ryzom
yes there can be mmorpg without character levels
ultima online technically doesnt have character levels but for example theres still a form of leveling (your skills)
terraria and monster dont have levels either, though they are not massively played, they're solo RPGs
jovial coral
It would be interesting to just have item level and in order to pick up say an item with a level of 100 your overall item level has to be 90 or something
distant folio
so yeah RPGs without levels are totally a thing
distant folio
none of those names?
hollow dock
I know of Terraria.
that's about it
but I always thought Terraria was a sandbox much like Minecraft. not an RPG.
hollow dock
Clearly not as famous then? O.o
jovial coral
I know of ultima cause of that wow documentary
distant folio
they have millions of players, the huge, large majority of people know of Runescape, EVE Online, etc. you are not representative of the population, more like an exception
it's true that item level is kind of redundant with normal level but
probably couldn't remove levels now that WoW was built with them @jovial coral
hollow dock
I never said I was? O.o
distant folio
You said they were "clearly not as famous" because you didn't know about them
But yes they are clearly famous still.
hollow dock
just that it's not as famous as you're making it out to be as I never heard of it.
distant folio
Yes it's just as famous.
hollow dock
So then how haven't I heard of it?...
distant folio
they have millions of players, the huge, large majority of people know of Runescape, EVE Online, etc. you are not representative of the population, more like an exception
hollow dock
You're making it sound like its a world wide thing
hollow dock
Well yes now I will go and look into it
but if I didn't have knowledge of it, how would I know to google it in the first place?
distant folio
I didn't say that.
hollow dock
You're the one that went and picked something with me over something I had no knowledge of
distant folio
I never picked anything
distant folio
You said clearly they were not as famous, I said yes they were.
That's not "going and picking something with you", I'm just saying that you, one person, not knowing about them doesn't change the fact that they are still worldwidely famous.
Contrary to what you claim.
hollow dock
Despite that clearly not the whole world knowing of it
distant folio
Worldwide =/= every single person on Earth though. It can be worldwidely famous without you knowing it.
distant folio
No, by definition it doesn't.
distant folio
You'll sleep more intelligent : worldwide doesn't mean that literally every single person on Earth is involved, it just means "extending throughout the world". Otherwise you could not apply the word "worldwide" to anything.
Doesn't mean every single person on the world is obese.
It means its a phenomenon that extends throughout the world.
distant folio
Vris always has to argue everything you ever say. I just listed a bunch of RPGs without levels as Brown asked but you had to claim that Runescape and EVE Online weren't as famous just because you freaking didn't hear about them. So I argue that you not hearing about them doesn't change the fact that they're still as famous. And then he argued the frigging definition of the word "worldwide", so I corrected him.
All of this because I dared say that Runescape and EVE Online were very famous.
balmy heart
They still are
slate ingot
Move the conversation out of the channel It's not in anyway related to BFA
tropic trail
offtopic is really common in this channel, especially when there's not much to talk about
except battle unicorns
worthy glen
And here I came looking for spoilers lol
(And for the record, the MMOs listed as very famous)
Anyway, I've been playing the beta for a bit, and I'm enjoying the content.
Although it was a bit distressing to not have my Legion main's equipment
uncut jetty
Where do I turn in the Zandalari Empire emissary?
rich apex
I want to say the quartermaster is in the Great Seal
uncut jetty
I have been on every level, floor, and room in here and nothing
uncut jetty
I'll check there
slate ingot
I just wish I knew if honorbound was in the game quarter master
uncut jetty
nope
uncut jetty
Still haven't found where to turn this in - is doing WQ pointless right now?
rich apex
Try the beta forums
uncut jetty
Hunting through now
slate ingot
you can do WQs
some are broken or missing
@uncut jetty
great seal
left side from when you talk in
uncut jetty
He doesn't let me do anything
slate ingot
bugged then probably did you do 4 quests
try relogging or reloading if not then its just bugged or not working yet
uncut jetty
I think it's bugged or not working yet - relogging didn't work
slate ingot
interested to see what the war campaign will be when finished with text
uncut jetty
Yeah - have you done the sea floor thing? I just got to the floor but have no idea what to do next
terse patrol
I think Blizz is releasing the war campaign for Alliance next build
Weโll see tho
slate ingot
Yeah I finished the entire horde campaign
you need to go to tiragarde
check my earlier messages I have all the stuff uploaded via screens
sour burrow
sudden oak
it looks like wyrmbane is crazy about alpacas
tropic trail
who isn't crazy about alpacas tho?
dense plover
As I said earlier today, world quests are in a practically alpha state
The rewards are placeholder, the emissary for zandalari doesnt work
Tons of bugs
More bugs in 2hrs of world quests than in all of nazmir and zuldazar
strange falcon
so they only have the lower part of the tabard?
also if what muffinus said is true
they're almost done with launch content
D:
ruby star
Yep
uncut vault
Pic is just showing off new 3D assets afaik
ruby star
@strange falcon could mean we get the new login screen and theme
uncut vault
Fingers crossed for a Windrunner track to match the Anduin/Wrynn one
ruby star
Whatt asweome new things do you think will appear in it?
uncut vault
I mean, at the very least a segment of Lament
If itโs anything like anduins I expect 18 minutes of variations
ruby star
I assume we could be seeing this build coming this week maybe Tuesday
wild pewter
Hope so!
ruby star
It's probably gonna be quite a big build ๐
mint arch
or a small one to jebait us all 
ruby star
XD
so far we know in teh build that the new collection achievements for mounts, pets and toys are going to be in that build
wild pewter
Yay! Hopefully I'll be able to finally log into Kul'Tiras
tropic trail
is anyone here on the 2nd stage of the alliance war campaign in nazmir? Have to find some tortollan but the location doesnt show on the map
frigid umbra
new build??? no new wave of inv? ๐ฆ
lone fern
anyone else having fps drop to <30 with the wowhead addon active?
wild pewter
@ruby star It'd be about time but do we have someone to justify that many portals? Like Oculeth?
desert lotus
ruby star
@frigid umbra not yet, but Muffunus tweeted about a build soon
@wild pewter not sure, some sort of mage or maybe even Allerias with void portals
wild pewter
I think our portals would come later tbh
Horde are guests of the King, whereas we were imprisoned by Katherine
meager warren
@wild pewter the Alliance has the Vindicaar portals and the Horde has the Nightborne (Oculeth's) portals
wild pewter
True!
severe bobcat
Anywhere to get keys?
terse patrol
My guess is, theyโre dumping the Alliance war campaign stuff tuesday
tulip sun
Well, apparently they will dump everything
rich apex
Clearly Horde bias
๐ค
The order in which content is released onto the beta test is definitely indicative of that actual quality
wild pewter
I honestly have no idea. Horde stuff has been implemented first so we've got that, and I don't think that's 100% done yet.
rich apex
๐ค ๐ค ๐ค
tranquil steeple
but there's alliance bias in the horde bias, since the horde stuff might have less work put into it, therefore making it alliance favored and biased since alliance side has the better stuff
ruby star
I mean theres 100% horde bias in Allied races, but the zones maybe not so much, quests maybe? etc
I quite like the Kul'tiras zones
terse patrol
Zones, no
ruby star
Kul'tiras looks great
terse patrol
So far yes in terms of war campaign
Weโll see though
I wanna bombing of Dresden the Echo Isles
wild pewter
I'm not sure if there's bias so much if there's better or worse development teams. Idk.
dense plover
so im beginning to think having AP automatically added is going to backfire
theres no physical feedback when you get azerite at the moment, so the reward feedback isnt really there
either people will complain, or the whole skinner box concept that is WoW is going to explode
i think they need a popup that says when you get large amounts of AP
anyone here that can make an addon that does that so I can test something???
i want to see if that would fix my problem
uncut vault
I think a solution to that would be making you do the heart of Azeroth channel every time you level up, make it actually feel like youโre empowering your pieces
strange falcon
i think it does the popup already,like when you use AP in legion and the "name artifact +XAP"
over your head
or my brain just filled that blank in
rich ocean
So anyone else have the issue of their charecter being unable to log in, just getting stuck at loading screen? made other toons, tried to faction cahnge then change back fixedi t... Until i took the portal to kultiras and now im stuck again unable to faction change again...
heavy cairn
[in response to earlier discussion] I think that they could at least play the "AP sound"
hollow dock
not every announcement is a beta key
ruby star
Never said it was ๐
frigid umbra
It should be... ๐ค
rich ocean
well you put it in the beta channel. And also said "beta keys?"
ruby star
If you read my reply you will understand that I was replying to Vris saying "not every announcement is a beta key" by saying"Never said it was ๐" What I stated was that I never said every announcement is a beta key one @rich ocean
I also put the link to Towellies tweet and said "beta keys? ๐ค " A question mark is used to indicate the end of a question
dense plover
@strange falcon the necklace shows when it levels up, but there is no feedback when you gain individual pieces of azerite
in legion, even though we had to click the tokens, it also made a sound effect and had a popup like with xp
strange falcon
i remember it saying "new piece on X gear"
ruby star
@dense plover Out of 10 what would you rate the Heart of Azeroth? so far in beta
strange falcon
ah yes the sound
dense plover
7
its good
the UI isnt added yet
you currently cant check the things from gear in the dungeon journal
some of the abilities are fun
but are a bit undertuned
for example, i summon children of rezan during combat
ruby star
Ooooo interesting
dense plover
and i sometimes summon little sandstorm tornados
but the damage from those things is meh
and the visual feedback is nonexistant
they dont have any attack or damage animations, so knowing that those abilities are actually hitting isnt really working
it makes them feel worthless even though they arent
also, i think the damage maybe scales as you level
but im unsure
if it doesnt, it should
ruby star
Ahhh
hollow dock
if its like other summons, it certainly scales to your stats.
dense plover
im not sure
theres a buff
but it currently has no description
it only shows on the actual armor piece
also, the buff can currently be dispelled which is definitely a bug
but ive been reporting bugs
just made these
hollow dock
Doin god's work peach
dense plover
theres a LOT of world quest bugs
strange falcon
well if they said that they are almost done actually creating the content for launch,they'll focus a lot more on scaling and bugs i guess
dense plover
those were just the ones i tried, or completed for the emissaries
imagine all of the ones I didnt do
yep
scaling and bugs and little things will be what comes in patches
we will probably start seeing more build deploys with client side changes like additional VO
hopefully they fix the sound engine
right now music overlaps on itself
so everyone just has it turned off
ruby star
Has anyone been checking the Alliance and Horde embassys in beta?
to see if anything gets changed or added in a beta build?
tropic trail
doubt we're going to see hints for any new allied races in the beta, since we already know the races planned for 8.1
and already pretty strong speculation via vulpera for one of the races beyond that
unless wrathion shows up in the alliance one again
ruby star
Yeah I mean they defo have allied races planned for 8.2 and 8.3
but we won't know till closer the time
but they could build up to them
tropic trail
i see ppl leveling in bfa beta do they will be instead level 120 when its open
hollow dock
I
strange falcon
wat
hollow dock
Don't understand
strange falcon
"do they will be" is a complicated conundrum
hollow dock
Are you asking that if people level to 120 that they'll be max level on live?
because the answer is no
they're leveling to test out quests, Azerite, phasing etc
it's beta. You have to test all its aspects
tranquil steeple
any character not created on live servers DON'T go to live servers. but any character created on live servers can eventually be copied onto beta
But like any character created on beta servers, those characters don't go back to live servers.
dense plover
its a one way street
oak wraith
Yep, it's beta, whatever you do there will be gone once the beta ends.
It's not like some new game where you sometimes have beta > pre-launch > launch and at some point you might be able to keep your progress.
There were people being unhappy (or pretending to be) when the alpha progress got wiped, all chars deleted, when beta came.
hollow dock
those are the silly people who dont realize how alpha/betas work
mortal pewter
i didn't see that yet, nice
limber mural
What changed?
mortal pewter
good question
tulip sun
Interesting
ionic terrace
uncut vault
Plaguelands warfront pls
tulip sun
Is kinda random
dense plover
maybe they plan to clean up the plaguelands
considering the alliance is reconquering in that direction
and lorewise the plaguelands arent plagued anymore
and since they already have all these paladin assets from legion
why not redo it
hollow dock
at this point
I am now going to think blizzard means the opposite of everything they say now
tulip sun
Or they are saying things so we dont expect it,
They dont wanna say all this stuff yhej ejd up not getting to it.
Playing it safe, just likely they had time for extra stuff
steel venture
PSA: It isn't actually new.
This building existed in Legion, but it was not implimented until now.
You can open up a model viewer and find it under the legion global objects.
meager warren
wot?
what building?
steel venture
The Uther's Tomb one.
meager warren
o
dense plover
it probably just wasnt finished
or didnt happen
so they took the time to finish it up
dense plover
could just be an indev thing that isnt supposed to go live
or the pedestal might be used for a bunch of pedestals'
and will be finished soon
theres stuff around kul tiras and zuldazar that are still missing textures
jade basalt
The entire area is not new
It's been exactly like this since Cata. However they're updating the buildings with higher rez ones in BFA.
steel venture
^
yeah, and said higher rez ones were actually from legion, but they never got around to putting it in until now
think of the other stuff they kind of add belatedly.
uncut vault
I dont think anyone was saying the whole area was new
jade basalt
Scroll up
steel venture
If anything, it might be related to an easter egg paladins will get post-Legion. Possible dialogue and things as the Highlord y'know?
Similarly to how DKs are still getting a reference to them as the Deathlord via the hidden red dragon quest that pops up for them.
wild pewter
That sort of thing is my jam, don't want our time as order hall leaders forgotten
tulip sun
Maybe they'll do it for everyone
meager warren
that helmet on the character to the right on the last post in #latest-news-old is hot
uncut vault
still see nobody claiming the whole area is new. The buildings are new
winged heron
uncut vault
vris isnt real, silly
jade basalt
@steel venture Yeah you are acknowledged as the Deathlord still in BFA, by another death knight.. who then tries to one up the Deathlord, champion of the Lich King, slayer of Titans, vanquisher of the Burning Legion, just because he wanted the dragon's corpse to have a mount like you.
And of course the outcome is that he gets utterly rekt.
Like seriously what did you expect, random death knight
steel venture
And if you piss off the red dragon you were helping protect the bones of her dead brother---she shouts that "YOU HAVE SHOWN YOU'RE TRUE COLORS, DEATHLORD" and yeets you off the mountain to your death
meager warren
YOUR*
hollow dock
and if you didn't decide to be a murderous sociopath, she thanks you for the help and restraint
meager warren
also, tbf, quiet, almost every one of our antagonists doesn't think our character is worth shit before we wipe the floor with them and they act so surprised
tropic trail
we really haven't wiped the floor with any of the big bads, they've all been pretty challenging lorewise, we actually die fighting arthas and argus, and during the deathwing fight our only goal was to annoy him enough to let thrall and the aspects use a superweapon against him. We're tough yes, but in no way are we on the level of most of the big bads we've faced
meager warren
i don't remember dying fighting arthas :thonk:
hollow dock
Arthas one shots us
gives us a big ol' monologue
and then his dad rezzes us after Tirion breaks the sword
tulip sun
But he lore-wise killed us e.e
hollow dock
and lore-wise we got rezzed
meager warren
ye
hollow dock
by his daddy
opaque forge
I wonder if Mag'har druids will be a thing?
dapper cosmos
They won't be, the classes Mag'har can be are already all available on the Beta.
You can also see them on Wowhead under the allied race section related to Mag'har.
meager warren
iirc, all the classes that normal orcs can be except death knights
dense plover
dont think maghar can be warlocks
hunter, mage, monk, priest, rogue, shaman, warrior
opaque forge
Not sure what class I'll roll but I definitely want a mag'bae
meager warren
i'mma make a mag'har warrior and zanda druid
dapper cosmos
I find it odd that they can be monks, but Lightforged can't.
dense plover
lightforged are not chill in any way
they are trained warriors
and have been around for thousands of years
also, monks are about balance
the light is half of balance
but being dedicated to the light means never being balanced between light and dark
canonically, i cant imagine lightforged draenei shadow priests
meager warren
if all it takes to be a monk is to be chill, that's like, low af standards
dense plover
but since priests in general make sense, they cant blok certain specs
not just chill, the ability and willingness to be balanced with the world around you
meager warren
and hey, peaceful people can be chill
dense plover
its similar to the requirements for being a shaman
dapper cosmos
Ok, counter argument to the whole light thing, why can Void Elfs be monks then?
meager warren
you just said "they're not chill" then said other stuff
dense plover
because void elves arent pure void
they accept void as part of their mantra
but they dont reject the light
theyre the demon hunter equivalent of the void
to defeat something you must become one with it
meager warren
pandas aren't pure anything.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dense plover
they are like the incarnation of shadow priests as a race
balance between light and shadow
thats alleria's entire plot
and thats the focal point of the void elves
also
meager warren
why can't demon hunters be monks? ๐ค
dense plover
they couldve been trained as monks before becoming void elves
meager warren
opaque forge
Void elves are so confusing
dense plover
in what way?
true matrix
blood elves dabble in void magic, get kicked out of silvermoon, go join the alliance instead. seems pretty straightforward to me.
terse patrol
Ye. So blood elf shadow priests have to practice in secret if they want to stay loyal to Quelโthalas.
dense plover
actually i think shadow priests are fine
void magic as a whole isnt banned
it just is banned to the level that the void elves were investigating it
they wanted to use it as an alternative source of magical power
equivalent to the light or fel
not as a part of it
as a whole entirely new thing
thats a much larger jump into the void
and much more dangerous
balmy heart
Dear Lor'thermar Theron (aka "Who?"), Is the Void Elves joining the Alliance really treason if you've banished them from Quel'thalas?
dense plover
kind of?
they chose to ignore lorthemar and pursue something anyway
and that got them kicked out of the city
because void magic reacts poorly with the sunwell
following this, they proceeded to join the alliance out of spite
thats double treason
thats like saying is it still breaking the law to kill someone if im already in prison
yes, it is
tropic trail
except no, that's not the same as killing someone in prison, in prison you're still upheld to the laws of the country, but banishment, they already kicked them out, they have no right to call joining the alliance treason
looking for allies when your own people turned their back on you is not treason. Studying void magic when your leader expressly forbid it was for sure tho
uncut vault
they didnt get kicked out because they ignored the requests to stop, they got kicked out because rommath demanded it, and only later found out why
sudden oak
I think rommath did tell umbric and his people to stop
if im not mistaken umbric says something about it in the void elves unlock questline
balmy heart
After the incident at the Sunwell Lorthemar basically told Alleria that she & her kind were no longer welcomed to Quel'thalas. "It is no longer your home."
tropic trail
did the sunwell event happen before or after alleria recruited the velves?
sudden oak
I think it was before
balmy heart
I think after
I think she originally went to Lorthemar to propose the Void Elves joining the Horde.
tropic trail
it must be after right? since when alleria goes to see them, they aren't velves yet
balmy heart
But she wanted to pay a visit to the Sunwell first.
sudden oak
and when the sunwell incident happened she heard about radicals from Rommath
and surely she went back to stormwind to inform anduin
and the went back to the ghostlands with her portal
grizzled sleet
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tropic trail
I'm noticing a trend with legion, it's a little hard to say what order events took place
like stormheim, when did that happen, before or after aszuna? depending on when tells us if the alliance attacking sylvanas was justified or not
grizzled sleet
Stormheim Azsuna Valsharah Highmountain are happening at the same time, because many "heroes" were sent at the same time
For Alleria and void elves, Sunwell scenario is happening first, she went to try to recuit the blood elves to the alliance and this is were she heard about the "exiled" blood elves
sudden oak
id say it goes like this
Alleria goes to Silvermoon to make them join the alliance and she gets rejected
Sunwell incident where she hears Rommath talking about rebels dabbling with the void
Goes back to Stormwind to inform Anduin
Uses her void magic to travel to the Ghostlands and track Umbric
I think Rommath did warn the void elves and he just wanted them out of Silvermoon thats why they are still in the Ghostlands
and not exiled from all of Quel'thalas
so yeah I think we could say the void elves are traitors for joining the alliance
since they were not banished from the kingdom itself
just throwed out of the main capital
grizzled sleet
Umbric says "Silvermoon turned its back on us long ago. Today we are reborn... and it is fitting that we walk a new path. From this day forth, the Alliance has our loyalty."
sudden oak
yeah they are unhappy because of the treatment they recieved and they cant go back to Silvermoon
grizzled sleet
But it's seems it was long ago, that's why they have no reason so be loyal for the horde
sudden oak
even when Rommath warned them for eternity
tropic trail
you'd think they'd have tried to appeal to sylvanas tho, her liking all things dark and spooky and forbiddena and all that
grizzled sleet
No
it may be before sylvanas became warchief
we don't know when, maybe it was prior to BC
I think they were exiled when the sunwell was restaured
so it's been a long time
tropic trail
"guys we swear this race has existed since BC, you just haven't ever seen or heard about them"
sudden oak
not all the belves are trusting of Sylvanas
tropic trail
nah, I think they're a more recent development, during WoD at the latest
sudden oak
and I doubt they would be happy of living in sewers
grizzled sleet
they weren't void elves before the scenario, they became void elves in legion
but they were exiled long ago
for practicing void magic
tropic trail
but they were still a group of exiles. That for sure was never mentioned prior to legion
I doubt they were kicked out too long ago
grizzled sleet
maybe we'll get some answers on Chronicles some day
I'm surprised there is no mention of the sisters reunion in beta as of now, sylvanas and alleria haven't met yet, strange
tropic trail
not sure they'll have much of a chance
maybe in one of the cutscenes for siege of lordaeron?
or in the prepatch at some point
sudden oak
I really hope the 3 sisters have a reunion
sudden oak
and Sylvanas tells her dear older sister how 2 humans almost killed all of the elven kingdom
something im sure Vereesa didnt tell her
grizzled sleet
uncut vault
I mean, she kinda had to
because she explained that sylvanas is undead
first question would probably be "okay but why is there a faction of undead"
sudden oak
yeah thats true she will know about what happened with arthas
but im not sure if she will know what garithos did
umbral fiber
the nautical gear is looking good - https://i.imgur.com/2ftImgx.png?1
is this an existing model in game? - https://i.imgur.com/qMdM68o.png?1
uncut vault
not obtainable afaik
umbral fiber
for reference - http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=160450/leadshot-heavy-rifle
@uncut vault thats a shame, hope that changes soon
karmic copper
They wont cause of their size and model
uncut vault
Yes. And I couldnt be making a more obvious joke, lmao
ruby star
Looks like he just killed an alliance and Ik you were joking xD
uncut vault
its a model from gilneas
karmic copper
i think its the same model as koroth or some other ettin
ruby star
Do you think we will see the reunion of all three windrunner sisters inthe book or in BFA in a cutscene?
uncut vault
Book, almost certainly
Christie likes writing the Windrunner sisters, and it makes sense for them to reunite before the faction conflict ramps up into full war
uncut vault
I honestly cant say
I dont think any actual fighting will happen, not physical at least
uncut vault
can see vereesa trying to be a mediator between the two
mint arch
i dunno, at this point ppl see a faction banner on a model and there'll be talk about new allied race -_-
hell, ppl are talking allied race from broadcast text
uncut vault
well that is...
a really horrible map change
the little number icons that show quest location on the map no longer show what you need to do at the number
and when you open a quest to read the description, it no longer tracks any other quest
I've got about 15 quests, only shows the one because I opened it up to read it
runic verge
undead uther will be the new leader of the forsaken
ruby star
@uncut vault I have a question
uncut vault
Sure
ruby star
Kinda random question
only just thought of it like today
How come The Silver Covenant has not appeared in Battle for Azeroth beta , Faction war and all, surely they would be fighting for the Alliance against the horde and Blood Elves, it makes no sense for them to do nothing at all
uncut vault
Lore reason? no idea, but the actual reason is probably because they don't want to deal with high elf stuff anymore, Ion at least
That or they're being saved for whatever might be going on in the plaguelands
ruby star
Ah yeah
maybe for a future patch in BFA
Cause I mean I don
don't see them just sitting around doing nothing if you get me xD?
uncut vault
I do
But the same can be said for a lot of factions, like basically every race besides humans and orcs before BfA
its just a matter of who they choose to include
ruby star
Ah yeah good point, however I would of thought BFA would be good to have Silver Covenant in it, with Alleria returning, Reunion of the 3 sisters etc
Alleria wanting to retake Silvermoon and now having her own Void Elves, and would most likely want Veersa to help her with teh High Elves
tranquil steeple
I'm not sure about Alleria wanting to retake it, more-so than having wanted to return there after being stuck fighting the Burning Legion for so long
uncut vault
She says she wants to see Silvermoon with the Alliance again
Post-void elf and nightborne stuff
tranquil steeple
I'm still not too sure, but the possibility is definitely there, though I imagine she might try again, without coming on "behest of the boy king" as Lor'themar puts it.
hollow dock
I mean. She flat out says "Silvermoon will be in the alliance again"
that is a very clear indication of her wanting to retake it.
tranquil steeple
Well, that means I must've missed something on live.. or it's something on beta I can't access.
hollow dock
It is on live. It's in her dialogue post-Void elf recruitment. I believe its in the embassy.
tranquil steeple
When you talk to her again, or does she outright have a voiceline saying it?
Oh, wait..
I see now.
hollow dock
Yea. that's a -very- clear indication of her intentions with Silvermoon.
oak wraith
Maybe that will take as long as it took to actually, like... find her (and get her into the game) ? ๐
hollow dock
It'll happen when they decide to finally put the work in for Silvermoon and Exodar to be on the main world map
tranquil steeple
I still have hope it's just hope that it won't be a complete retake of Silvermoon, but still seems more likely to not be diplomatic... However, we'll just have to wait and see for the time being.
hollow dock
Do not for a moment thinkanything will come of it
Silvermoon and Exodar are far off from the main world, and thus won't get any work on them.
oak wraith
There's also the technical bit, as Blizz still hasn't un-stuck Silvermoon and Exodar from the BC world maps.
hollow dock
yea that's what I said o=
oak wraith
Oh, sorry, synch typing ๐
ruby star
Looking forward to the big build on Tuesday or Wednesday
lone fern
anyone completed the lv120 horde great sea quest?
strange falcon
i think someone posted every single quest as screenshots
yesterday
or 2 days ago
lone fern
in here?
strange falcon
yes
strange falcon
maybe they posted it in the #screenshots tab?
lone fern
neither, unless its some external link (which cant be found in #screenshots anyway)
its this quest, The Sunken Graveyard; found plenty of other wrecks but none triggered anything and its a bit hard to check every single when you have literally no orientation
lone fern
what map?
stiff vector
there's two maps called GreatSea and GreatSeaHorde
it was kind of a mystery to me what they were used for
one of them has a subzone of which the internal name mentions warcampaign
lone fern
are they minimap maps? even that would prob be helpful
stiff vector
am surprised such a recently added map is already used
the alliance equivalent seems more unfinished
stiff vector
yeah the world map is hilarious
๐
they actually put effort into adding an empty world map for that zone
such a troll
lone fern
it says Cosmic when you hover the map
anyway it feels a lot like the deep sea Soma levels so.. its something
got it. 56.1, 55.7
also dont relog, because oyull lose your helmet and will start losing breath lol
follow up area is 54.4 / 50.7
tropic trail
What's really gonna happen is both sides don't agree or disagree with things they wanna do and then we will be mix and matching each race so they can be part of either the horde or alliance
distant folio
@steel venture do you know what the new uther building is called in the files or model viewer
lone fern
68.7 / 54.2 the undersea ledge
k, dont bother with that chain anyways, its bugged at the end
strange falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329807329245659147/445232594381045760/unknown.png @hollow dock
hollow dock
yea basically
mint arch
lul
eternal jay
Will RP servers still have a warmode option?
I think I will level something on a PVP realm just to be safe
strange falcon
@eternal jay fool,pvp and PVE realms are ceasing to exist,with warmovde
what do you think is the use of pvp servers,if you have warmode already
they're just going to be "rp" and "normal" realms
eternal jay
I am currently on a RP realm. But I like the Warmode option. I assume I will still be able to flag as PVP/warmode
Is this correct?
strange falcon
i believe so
hollow dock
PVp realms dont exist.
eternal jay
So when I flag for PVP on my RP realm, will it shard with me the normal realms or will I be in a separate shard on my RP Server
Im assuming again that this is what will be happening. 2 types of Realms. Normal / RP - If you enable warmode on a Normal Realm you will be split to be with anyone who also has warmode enabled on a normal realm
if you warmode on a RP realm you will be split with anyone who has enabled warmode on a RP realm.
eternal jay
Okay. So its not really changing much for RP realms. If you enable PVP you will be flagged for anyone on your server.
That's what I needed to know. Thank you.
I may just wait and server transfer my main priest than. and Continue alts on the new realm. To server xfer everything I have would cost a bit much xD
eternal jay
Also, has there been any mention of limiting flying while Warmode in enabled?
lone fern
assuming its similar to some mount-restricted outdoor areas, just with flying
lone fern
i assume hes talking about warfronts this time
eternal jay
I am not. I was thinking Old World Content having Flying disabled while in warmode.
lone fern
no, why would it, lol
hollow dock
It doesn't. All the same normal rules apply for world PVP.
You want world PVP?enjoy it with everyone else away from those that don't. that's the idea of it.
Includes all the annoying bits of flight gankers.
lone fern
only the warfronts themselves will probably have flying disabled but thats barely connected to general warmode
hollow dock
Oh yea. Because warfronts are a que'd instance thing
eternal jay
I assumed as much.
hollow dock
So have all the same restrictions as a BG or Dungeon would in terms of mounting
eternal jay
I still feel as if a server xfer will be in order for myself personally.
I have been on a RP realm since day 1. and thats because thats where My friend had me join.
I enjoy PVP and world PVP would be exciting addition. I just dont feel a RP realm will have the effect i'd like while flagged.
hollow dock
As you're being placed into a phase with other people who are flagged, it doesn't really matter your realm.
eternal jay
You dont think it will make much a difference than?
hollow dock
Personally, no. This is only what I am picking up from blizzards words but it seems to me that the PVP phase will be cross-server and keep all the world PVPers together.
lone fern
exactly, plus more realms will be connected in future
hollow dock
RP realms wont. Not normally anyways
because it does disrupt that portion of the game. A lot of servers are already bunched up in battlegroups already and I think the PVP phase will just link them all together in that sense.
eternal jay
Here is what i found from forums.
The team recognizes how important community is on RP realms, which is what CRZ is turned off in some instances.
- You can be on an RP server, opt into PvP, and see other players that have opted in from your server. The team may need to re-evaluate that in the long run if there aren't enough players opting in on RP servers.
- The team doesn't want to split up RP servers or mix them.
dense plover
I believe the plan for RP Realms is that all or most of the rp Realms will shard into one pvp shard
So if you turn on warmode, there will still be a good amount of players in it, and they will still all be rp players
But I think it depends on how many people on those realms end up using war mode. The more that use it, the more shards there will be
eternal jay
That is my concern is that there wont be enough RP players who choose to flag up.
dense plover
Donโt worry, thatโs why Iโm pretty sure they discussed this in the context of merging several rp Realms for their pvp shard
grizzled sleet
+15% exp will make them turn war mode on
if they add +15% reputation at lvl 120 it may help too
eternal jay
That would be interesting indeed Mimig.
I think I will have to wait and see the outcome and than make a choice from there.
steel venture
RP realms are going to have it so all of the RP realms are merged into the same Warmode shard, that's all.
They're not mixing other realms into their warmode shard.
And they're not leaving their warmode shards self-contained like normal servers though, due to population.
The literal whole point of warmodes is to balance population in WPVP
rich apex
Oh pffsh no
Buuuut
The Tomb remodeling is super suspicious
I can't imagine it was updated on a whim
gaunt helm
Him as a spirit could save us
rich apex
That is also true
rich apex
Varian: you thought i was done hogging the spotlight? ha
Varian: i am the king that rules forever, my son
gaunt helm
He cant stop fel magic
rich apex
Thankfully
gaunt helm
Do u think a warchief will die? in BFA
gaunt helm
wdym
limber mural
Tbh if we just saw a white wolf now and again in BfA that seemed a little too sapient, that'd be nice
copper osprey
Maybe the sus Lich King activity will lead to some Uther DK action
sharp bluff
๐ค Cairne
frigid umbra
I would like uther dk or tirion dk would break their minds and will eventually need to come to terms with it and start being a holy dk like mograin was in naxx 40. Would be awesome lore as well.
hollow dock
Uther od the ebon blade when
terse patrol
idk
if the light could intervene for Tirion, it probably would for Uther.
@hollow dock
hollow dock
Pfft. Light ex machina cant work forever
sharp bluff
not with all the Naaru we are killing ๐
wild pewter
Are there still elves patrolling Kul'Tiras?
rich apex
#vampireelvesslightlyconfirmed
tulip sun
So no, not all female san'layn have wings
rich apex
But really, I still remain skeptical
Of course, if they just do vampire elves instead of normal undead elves...
tulip sun
At the very least I would like them as horde-friendly NPCs that reappear
They seem interesting
Females called Marquess
Dreven getting nasty >:o
Btw, the group is all sentinels, champion, then Keeshan. I thought I saw someone before mention why is Shandris with a bunch of humans.