I honestly dont know
#beta-ptr-spoilers
slate ingot
im like revered with the honorbound
but im curious to see if theres anything for finishing ready for war
slate ingot
not much really
footholds are in and the vol'dun part is barely in
but vol'dun on the alliance side has a ton of issues
terse patrol
Maybe next build we’ll get alliance content?
slate ingot
I mean I hope
Horde war campaign is done really minus tracking issues and some missing parts
mainly drustvar and stormsong
and the bottom of the sea portion is a nightmare both from a vision aspect and tracking atm
small fixes for the horde one, but alliance one needs love
terse patrol
I’m just getting a sinking feeling that the Alliance is going to get a shit deal.
I think they’re going to do a bombing run on Zuldazar, but
Let’s be real, that’s not as cool as the Horde torching Stormwind
slate ingot
well I am interested in the Derek proudmoore line
as it seems like the Kul'tirans are also after him
per one of the quests
this is how dark it was and what I mean by a nightmare
terse patrol
Fun
Still dont get how derek wasnt rotten
My guess is
They’re making a custom model
rich apex
magic
terse patrol
He’ll probably be the admiral of the Forsaken fleet or someshit
uncut vault
He appears in a cinematic
tropic trail
he's speaking hypothetically, if sylvanas raised him
tropic trail
wait, I missed this
terse patrol
yep
tropic trail
his soul was used for a dk mount?
terse patrol
In Legion, the DKs claim his soul to make a horse for one of the horsemen
For reasons
terse patrol
Ah
tropic trail
"hey LK, you want us to make Daelin into a deathknight?" LK responds "Nah fam, make him a horse"
meager warren
lel
tropic trail
I clearly need to do the rest of the class hall campaigns and mount quests
meager warren
i want to see AU Draenor 2.0 Garrosh but who's good and Thrall who's not so good
http://prntscr.com/jgf3j1
and i want to see the people who think Sylvanas should stay alive, to ... wake me up inside
wait, wrong reference
hmm
tranquil steeple
lul
meager warren
it may be better that way
slate ingot
What was the beta build that went out earlier
meager warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
split valley
Small exe patch
all I can find for what it is is voice lines for the opening scenario. And that was only like 1 post
wild pewter
So the Horde go to the great sea to look for Kul Tiran sailors? That's a cool quest. I still wonder if Alliance will get any cool quests.
uncut vault
alliance war campaign is NYI
wild pewter
Aye, will have to wait and see!
tulip torrent
technically Sylvanas is dead
ruby prawn
I dont think she will die this expansion
Unfortunately
And I don't think she will ever die
(truly die)
tulip sun
She has one more life even if she did
ruby prawn
I hope they exile her at least or make her less of an influence in the world
They are currently turning her into Garrosh
If they want to keep the tradition, she will be exiled and come back after 2 xpacs
Lol
hollow dock
Thrall was never exiled wut
He just left for shamanistic duty and left garrosh in charge.
sullen dagger
i know, for the ring of the earth
but from a plot perspective, they "exiled" the old warchief so they could put garrosh there since they didnt wat to kill them
i'm not saying the horde exiled thrall, but the writers did
frigid umbra
Then its "exiled"
hollow dock
that's still not exiled. Thrall was never banned from ever returning
earnest mortar
hahahaha xD
hollow dock
That means the blood elves and unfortunately, theyre the reason horde have a large population. :)))))))))))
ruby star
@jovial coral You think your funny but you aren't
frigid umbra
Lol
slate ingot
btw for reference this is the derek proudmoore quest start
wasnt able to get a screen grab before but thats what leads to derek proudmoore/strike on boralus
two more later you end up at derek proudmoore
true matrix
a shipwreck in the ｖｏｉｄ
karmic copper
cosmic
i guess thats all sea, even though its empty i guess thats why they call it cosmic
or just a beta bug
tropic trail
Maybe that means there's an Old God
slate ingot
its all the sea
its just really really REALLY dark
thius one plus another quest give you a follow up which are grab and go
karmic copper
yea, ive seen that quest where youre in the ocean in the dark area
slate ingot
yeah these are the breadcrumbs that lead to grab and go
and eventually the strike on boralus quest
which I was able to do though its a bit buggy
final boat
tropic trail
Well then
slate ingot
tropic trail
RIP Derek
slate ingot
yeah I had to zooom in to get a decent screen grab but the darkness
is a bit
dark
to the extent that thats me not even at the bottom the light is from the quest item and thats some player at the bottom its actually cool
ruby star
How come he has not rotted yet
ruby star
according to gamepedia he was "Incinerated" lol
slate ingot
im assuming the undead dragon is either a place holder
or a call back to one of the dragons
but at the moment the only place to turn in grab and go and move on is Tiragarde sound if my memory serves
sharp bluff
The temperature of the water probably, I forget the exact temp, but you can keep a corpse well preserved in water for a long time at the right temperature
slate ingot
yup its in tiragarde at timberfell
where the turn is at th e moment for grab and go
slate ingot
and then some of the screen grabs I have from before
slate ingot
are the follow ups from that
some text
oh and this stuff at the moment doesnt track at all in the quest log
jade basalt
@slate ingot Keep going !
slate ingot
I have some screen grabs of the later stuff posted already
not dialogue or anything yet but
its a nusiance to do it because tracking isnt in and the ships are buggy
jade basalt
So what happens after you retrieve the Scepter ?
slate ingot
thats the end of the campaign
jade basalt
Dang it. We don't know what happens to the Proudmoores who showed up to get Derek's body back either ?
slate ingot
we do I can get that in a minute
and they arent proudmoores that show up
like big name ones*
jade basalt
I meant the Proudmoore armies
jade basalt
Keep me updated ! The weirdest thing about all this is Derek's body, who was incinerated and been rotting under the ocean for 30 years
But you just retrieve it in full clothes and everything
hollow dock
The night elves lost their ancestral lands that they've defended against an infinite army several times to a bunch of rotting corpses and a non-rotting body is what sounds fishy?
jade basalt
@hollow dock I said "the weirdest thing about all this", i.e this questline. Not the whole of BFA.
slate ingot
third mob
Gastrod is the only one who mentions Derek
which is interesting
completion for a well placed portal
a tome as an example its the book with sparkles
drops one of the relics compass of clarity
drops 2nd relic
third one is from the unleashed tidebreaker seen here
tropic trail
Would be funny if they put in some Vampire Diaries easter egg quest haha
slate ingot
but yeah it seems like the alliance knows or proudmoores know about derek and the horde to some extent
but thats pretty much everything from the last two warfront quests on horde
err warcampaign*
jade basalt
@slate ingot So there's no conclusion yet ?
jade basalt
The Siege of Boralus dungeon ?
slate ingot
No this
the last two achievement progs are for Derek/the artifact from boralus
and it ends for now im assuming until 8.1
but after the achievement you do get lillian voss as horde not the slightest clue for alliance
jade basalt
Alrighty
slate ingot
fuck I didnt screen grab the thing for drustvar
wild pewter
Horde seem to be doing significant damage
slate ingot
no wonder I cant do it lol
I didnt talk to zamara if shes even in
and I found nathanos
part 2 drustvar
amalia and lilian
wild pewter
Forsaken really are bastards. "This person we just killed doesn't like being one of us?!"
terse patrol
M O R A L L Y G R E Y
wild pewter
😂
terse patrol
The Horde was M O R A L L Y G R E Y in the First and Second War, remember?
wild pewter
Have to feel for Captain Stone.. or anyone that they convert unwillingly tbh.
slate ingot
ill get more of what I can later if I dont finish drustvar soon
another plaque
it appears amalia fights it still
ah I know where this is going already this is for Valentine who is found in the later section not drustvar
oooh this is how he finds out about the wreckage
so war campaign is indeed completable or atleast able to be done somewhat
terse patrol
Yeah, I hope the Alliance gets some vengeance
wild pewter
Definitely. It seems in Voldun we take out the leader of the Reliquary
jade basalt
Hmm
terse patrol
eh, as if he was ever important
wild pewter
"Arlethal Sunwatcher" who is the High Examiner, and yet is a different npc from the current one
terse patrol
oh. . .
So.
We’re not killing the actual High Examiner.
Nice. Thanks, Blizzard.
wild pewter
cough HORDE BIAS cough
slate ingot
I'll be able to finish the horde war campaign when I get home in a bit completely now but it seems the horde one has more polish
wild pewter
Loved your screenshots btw 😃
meager warren
ALLIANCE BIAS cough
meager warren
no u
ruby star
Nope
wild pewter
Tae'thelan does tbh
meager warren
Sylvanas does
ruby star
they both should
meager warren
but a lot of Horde players love her too much
meager warren
Lor'themar, Sylvanas, Tae'thelan, Genn, that one dude i can't remember the name of who people joke about being a dreadlord on here all need to die
balmy heart
Jaina?
meager warren
no.
Jaina is fine. For now.
👀
ruby star
can we kill khadgar too plz
meager warren
why khadgar
meager warren
.....
hollow dock
Med existed only to get corrupted though
meager warren
^
hollow dock
how is tha tbetter than dadgar
ruby star
Still better then Khadgar
ruby star
Khadgar is just annoying
hollow dock
Legit he's the only reason we're actually winning anything against the Legion
ruby star
his head bubble pet i have is annoying to
meager warren
and how is that a valid reason to kill him?
hollow dock
Ur annoying
so Drorith
you gotta die
sorry man
not really tho
cuz you're annoying
ruby star
uh huh
meager warren
he is annoying lol
meager warren
triggered jokes?
meager warren
right, because you don't give a fuck about being a decent person
true matrix
so you don't care about people with PTSD, got it.
meager warren
it does tho
ruby star
Not exactly
true matrix
that's what a trigger is. it's something that sets off a panic attack related to PTSD.
ruby star
Trigger can be used in many ways
meager warren
when you say shit, there's consequences.
which is why thinking about what you're gonna say is smart
true matrix
using it to mean "offended" is just... belittling the seriousness of it.
meager warren
^
meager warren
if i use the word "triggered" as a joke in a gun story having nothing to do with the word "offended" it'll be different
ruby star
It can be used in other contexts
THing is what we are talking about has nothing to do with PTSD or gun attacks
it's fucking world of warcraft
ruby star
That has nothing to do with the conversation
you're the ones brining this into the conversation
meager warren
right
true matrix
"I hope I trigger you"? like that's not the exact context you meant.
ruby star
I was not referencing those above words
ruby star
"he is annoying lol"
meager warren
you were using it to mean "offended"
ruby star
Therefore I said that in a reply to him
meager warren
which means, you were referencing those other words
limber mural
look I can't say I give a shit about any of y'all issues but can you take it to dm
meager warren
then don't use words you don't know the meaning of
ruby star
I do know the meaning.
wild pewter
<@&299347348847329281> Pls help
true matrix
you evidently don't.
ruby star
@meager warren I am English and know the English Vocabulary thank you very much, but lets move on this is a BFA channel
limber mural
deadass do you all need a group chat making to screech at each other in private
or can we move on
tawny tree
Yeah. Let's clear the chat for this conversation please.
wild pewter
Preferably.
distant folio
did people just get triggered by someone using the word trigger
dense plover
so there is a pterrordax raising daily
you find an egg
at 120 you do a quest once a day to help it
at some point you get it as a mount i think
tulip sun
Both factiona?
frigid umbra
Lol trigger inception... triggered for using the word trigger... thats a new one. Lol 😂
frigid umbra
Uhuuu the snek people are hapening
limber mural
inb4 'allied race reeee'
terse patrol
Gib snake race
terse patrol
@Portergauge#9512 They’re probably doing that for NPCs so they can wear Alliance tabards or something.
If they go Alliance, which seems more likely.
mint arch
lul, ppl getting triggered over the use of the word trigger 
terse patrol
Since the Alliance helps them more
rich apex
I mean
uncut vault
I might agree if they didn’t add cloak too
mint arch
snek for alliance?
rich apex
It's only Horde side that deals with the lead up to Temple of Sethraliss, isn't it?
terse patrol
Well, giving them a blue cloak as well to match the tabard
uncut vault
Sethrak already have their own unique cloaks, these are specifically for ewuippable ones
You can also see in the screenshot that it isn’t just these two
Equippable items are slowly being added
Bracers also work
rich apex
Just give Horde vulpera and sneks and give Alliance Ultralightforged Draenei and Wildhammers >_>
rich apex
terse patrol
Give the Horde Eredar
uncut vault
I mean I don’t think they’ll be an allied race but I hope the AU Draenei becomes a facet of the Lightforged
Give them something actually interesting
rich apex
Oh yeah, that was 100% shitposting
terse patrol
They probably will
rich apex
I do hope Alliance does something there
But
I can't really see the point if it doesn't lead to an Allied Race
terse patrol
Lightforged Orcs for the Alliance
limber mural
I am more than happy at leaving rep grind mount farms to the Horde
rich apex
Remember when everyone was shitposting that Saurfang would recruit the Mag'har to Alliance?
We were so wrong
rich apex
k e k
limber mural
Ultralightforged - racial passive: cast blinding light literally at all times
terse patrol
I suspect we’ll get a race from Nazjatar
karmic copper
Are we talkin' bout light?
uncut vault
Murlocs confirmed?
rich apex
There is a pretty good chance that a new Allied Race might be something we won't even meet until 8.1 or 8.2
rich apex
Especially given any new Allied Race won't be available to us until 8.2 or 8.3
karmic copper
Zandalarilighthighmountainvoiddarkironmagharborne
rich apex
Given KTs and Zandas are 8.1
Alliance sneks still seems like a stretch to me
Model issues aside
terse patrol
8.2 would prolly be Sethrak/Vulpera
limber mural
Nah what we obviously need right
uncut vault
I mean I suspect that if sethrak and vulpera are allied races, they’ll be like the first four we got, given at the end of the xpac when their story is all resolved
limber mural
Is more elves
limber mural
(kappa)
rich apex
I fully admit I've been terrible thus far at predicting Allied Race things
uncut vault
They really need to add the whole alliance war campaign
rich apex
I swore Highmountain would never be playable when that first leak was out 😛
uncut vault
I wanna see all the Dreven stuff
rich apex
And then I swore that Mag'har would never be from AU Draenor
(I am very glad I was wrong on that bit, the clan skins are amazing)
terse patrol
I’ve been mostly right so far
which makes my told you so boner feel nice.
but
we’ll see
uncut vault
The only way to always be right is by accepting that everything can be an allied race
terse patrol
didnt expect light nazi draenei tho
rich apex
It is a nice plot twist
Sure better than 'the orcs went back to murdering draenei as soon as we left'
rich apex
Or 'the orcs have been sitting around peacefully, but will get into a war they have no stake in because honor'
terse patrol
Aka a bunch of races
rich apex
Alas, not surprising they didn't make new models just for a one off reputation
terse patrol
I suspect they’ve converted races from all over Draenor besides Orcs
Like didnt the dialogue say something about an ogre?
uncut vault
I mean adding glowy yellow eye effects wouldn’t be that hard
rich apex
Lightforged Ogres
uncut vault
Could just give them the nighthold priest helm
rich apex
I don't remember ogres being mentioned
But that's a great meme
But yeah, in roleplay terms
terse patrol
Lightforged arakkoa
rich apex
'draenei crusade apocalypse' is a hell of a more compelling starting point for a mag'har character
mint arch
meh, i dont like how blizzard trying so hard to make the light = bad guys when we've known the naaru to doing good stuff in the past, sacrificing themselves and so on
mint arch
i hope there are naaru who oppose the fanatics
limber mural
But we've also known Naaru to pull a Xe'ra
terse patrol
Hearthstone has been predicting the future so
limber mural
And push their influence no matter who
rich apex
Sargeras is an Evil Titan, but we know all Titans are evil, becuaase we've seen the majority of them do good
limber mural
And we know that nobody liked xera that much
mint arch
Xe'ra may have been what she was, but she was also leading a dying army against the legion
uncut vault
I mean the naaru on AU Draenor had to have come to the planet, and then started crusading
rich apex
But 'good force is actually bad!' is an edgy plot twist people like to latch on to for tinfoil theories
uncut vault
Cause when we left there was only one naaru left on Draenor
limber mural
Even velen was like 'eeeeeeeh yeah she was difficult'
terse patrol
Feels like the Naaru are doing this because the Army of the Light is really weak, and Xe’ra is gone.
rich apex
But
mint arch
we barely know shit about the void lords and havent even dealt with the old gods but blizzard want their "grey" lore -_-
rich apex
There's still a -lot- of context missing from AU Draenor
terse patrol
So they’re converting Draenor to go to war with the Void.
rich apex
And what happened i tnhe last 30 years
limber mural
Well the plotline vaporised illidan so all good
rich apex
There's still literally no indication that Xera is the norm
uncut vault
So far we have one side of the story, without thirty years of context, from the mouth of Grommash Hellscream
rich apex
Exactly, Port
uncut vault
We’re gonna need a few more viewpoints
mint arch
and ya, more viewpoints
rich apex
I mean Yrel and the AU Draenei are -Super Wrong-
mint arch
for AU shit
rich apex
But the question is how they reached that point
limber mural
Blizz would also be coming true on their 'dw horde we'll let you feel badly done to later'
rich apex
After all
terse patrol
I suspect the Naaru gave Yrel visions of the Void. @rich apex
rich apex
-Everyone- asked why Grom got let off scot free
limber mural
After tons of people got mad due to morally questionable Lordaeron
terse patrol
The Naaru likely feel they need to make an army
mint arch
blizzard are gonna use this shit to excuse the iron horde's genocide
rich apex
That's assuming it's the naaru as a whole
And not the individual
Nothing's been excused
It's the cycle of hatred
Like I think people -vastly underestimate-
The virtue MU Velen has
To forgive the orcs
That shit is not easy
rich apex
Is it really that surprising that a hardline faction of AU draenei would look at the orcs and say 'why are we letting them recover?'
Especially when the AU orcs didn't have the 'excuse' of the demon blood
rich apex
(Assuming that someone told the AU draenei of the MU timeline)
mint arch
also... ppl liked yrel?
rich apex
They did?
mint arch
like im seeing so many comments
rich apex
That's the irony I love
rich apex
Suddenly everyone is in love with Yrel's original character
mint arch
apparently
rich apex
After crying for years that she's boring or a Mary Sue or killed Maraad for no reason
mint arch
and they are pissed that.... her character was 180....
terse patrol
I mean I always liked Yrel.
mint arch
instead of having issues with blizzard's use of the light
limber mural
Just because they're all 'Yes light glory etc' doesn't mean they'd all morally forgo the chance to kick the AU orcs while they're down
rich apex
Just becauase we don't see the character development
Doesn't mean it didn't happen
God forbid Blizz does something new and interesting with a character who would otherwise never be touched again
limber mural
cough illidan
rich apex
There's a fine line between faith and fanaticism
We've already seen that in the Scarlet Crusade
Why would the draenei be immune to it?
Especially without Velen
limber mural
and depending on how in touch Yrel is she could be pulling a 'Yes I'm pretty sure this is what the light said'
rich apex
Exactly
There's a -lot- of missing context
Of how the AU draenei came to that point
But it's so dangerously easy to say 'oh it's the Light's will'
mint arch
thats what i hope this is all... yrel was never meant to be exarch and she fcked up
rich apex
And that's a good theme
mint arch
and then we get rid of the mary sue and move on
rich apex
See what I mean
Even when Yrel gets to do something interesting
People still cry Mary Sue
mint arch
there has to be more qualified draenei to lead em
limber mural
Honestly I wouldn't put it past them to take a cheap shot at the race that caused literally all of them so much suffering after the Burning Legion and the Alliance/Horde drastically reduced their forces
rich apex
(despite being clearly flawed now)
(If a Mary Sue has blatant flaws, how is she a Mary Sue? 🤔 )
mint arch
she was a mary sue in WOD, now less so
limber mural
'is anyone looking anymore? no? OK let's just kill them all and look the other way'
limber mural
Morally questionable alliance that'd be seen as atrocities by the horde
mint arch
but do we know its the draenei doing the killing? the light-w/e are those orcs turned to light
limber mural
Flip side of Lordaeron scenario
mint arch
well, AU is not horde or alliance really
limber mural
Well when we get there
limber mural
The Alliance and Horde will relate to them for obvious reasons
mint arch
i guess
limber mural
Even if its just another reason for us to kill each other over
rich apex
Meanwhile, back on Azeroth
mint arch
i hope the lightforged take on to guide the new light-w/e ppl of AU
would be nice after yrel is dead
rich apex
Warfront
limber mural
ah
rich apex
Got Turalyon as the enemy commander and he's a righteously angery boi
limber mural
looking at those deaths it seems so aye
rich apex
Very true
limber mural
*boye
mint arch
our number 1 silver fox
rich apex
Like what is Alleria complaining about
When Turalyon is looking like -that- for the rest of eternity
Like damn
mint arch
jesus christ blizzad, dont fck up alleria and turalyon
give us ONE good couple
pls
-_-
limber mural
I literally explained to my guild leader yesterday that Alleria and Turalyon were married
rich apex
I mean they seem fine so far
Even after Alleria fucked off for the Void for a century or so
mint arch
^
limber mural
'so wait is arator their son'
mint arch
aye
wild pewter
How does the Alliance help the Sethrak more btw?
mint arch
i just hope there is no "grey" shit to mess up their relationship
rich apex
Ehh
limber mural
'WAIT THEY'RE FUCKIN'
limber mural
'Yes...'
jade basalt
Does anyone have an actual screen of High Examiner "Arlethal" Bloodwatcher ?
rich apex
All I saw previously was a short intro to meeting the sethrak
Wowhead will have the quest overview up sooner or later, I'm sure
But Horde works with them a significant amount during the Vol'dun storyline
wild pewter
@jade basalt Watch WoWHead's latest video
rich apex
So
limber mural
I would kinda like a lil more arator. They played with him for like a minute before mommy and daddy had to go off to fight demons
mint arch
rich apex
Of course, both Alliance and Horde worked with all those neutral Legion factions
So who knows
wild pewter
Yeah that's what I thought, makes me wonder how the Alliance helps them more whoever claimed it
limber mural
Horde didn't work with jinju in Pandaria tho
mint arch
arator new model pls
rich apex
They can always add more quests later
limber mural
So could go either way
wild pewter
I'd play a snek
limber mural
as long as their chat language is Common but with drawn out ssssss
jade basalt
Is Tae'thalan still alive ? I'm basically confused because "the highest ranking member of the Reliquary" and High Examiner should be Tae'thalan Bloodwatcher. But that quest calls "Arlethal Bloodwatcher" (someone we've never seen before) the highest ranking member and High Examiner. Did Tae'thalan die ? Is Arlethal his son who replaced him or something ?
mint arch
:o
limber mural
OK yeah can I racechange to Alleria now ols
wild pewter
I have absolutely no idea
mint arch
we need vris for this sort of lore o.O
limber mural
oh damn I mentioned high elves as a race brb crucifying myself
shit mobile signal doubleposting soz
mint arch
:<
limber mural
those sent in the wrong order
uncut vault
Alliance helps them more in the sense that they save their good leader Vorrik twice
hollow dock
what sort of lore
jovial coral
So telling the orcs the Draenei would attack them wasn't so much of a lie
mint arch
Is Tae'thalan still alive ? I'm basically confused because "the highest ranking member of the Reliquary" and High Examiner should be Tae'thalan Bloodwatcher. But that quest calls "Arlethal Bloodwatcher" (someone we've never seen before) the highest ranking member and High Examiner. Did Tae'thalan die ? Is Arlethal his son who replaced him or something ?
@hollow dock
uncut vault
He’s in Legion iirc
hollow dock
yes he's alive still as of legion
limber mural
lowkey levitate is the best thing cause I can do like arlethan and hover so I look more important than people
jade basalt
I meant "did he die in BFA".
Tae'thelan is supposed to be the highest ranking member and High Examiner, but now apparently it's a guy called Arlethal.
And they share the same last name, Bloodwatcher
dense plover
so uh, i reached 120, and the war campaign is super undone and world quests are super buggy, so i guess im going to go test the alliance now?
uncut vault
Alternatively: they’re husbands and co lead the reliquary
jade basalt
@dense plover Have you seen Tae'thelan Bloodwatcher anywhere ?
I know we see his daughter
Tae'shara
dense plover
no
im having all sorts of issuess with the war campaign
so i havent been paying much attention
ive just been reporting the fuckton of bugs
flight points are fucked
mint arch
🐛
mint arch
🐛 🐛
dense plover
its really bad
mint arch
:o
uncut vault
Yeah the quest tracking bug is annoying
Luckily went away for me with the character wipe
wild pewter
Why are snek people more likely to go Alliance in your opinion?
dense plover
also, world quest rewards havent been balanced at all
rich apex
Because there's no other two legged race (yet) that's new
dense plover
theyre totally shit
rich apex
So people assume, and then start to hope
mint arch
really?
rich apex
Welcome to beta
mint arch
balanced in what way?
tulip sun
I mean
dense plover
uhhh
tulip sun
Lore speaking, sneks could go either
dense plover
for example
dense plover
big bad takes 5 people to beat bboss? 48 artifact power
regular world quest that takes 3 min to solo
360 AP
tulip sun
I can see giving the faithless or whatever a reason to go alliance against horde and vulpera
mint arch
i see
dense plover
i think the big ones are supposed to be like in the thousands
or at least high hundreds
limber mural
is there no knowledge concept like early Legion
strange falcon
not yet at least
limber mural
I mean I dislike artifact knowledge now, it makes AP literally junk besides the first 4 or so you get at 110
dense plover
there is actually
there is an artifact knowledge but it decreases the cost per level
instead of increasing the amount of AP you get
its not implemented yet
ruby star
What was this about Sethrak??? @dense plover
strange falcon
oh,we were just making assumptions,
limber mural
they had an asset update allowing them to wear tabards
So people started discussing
ruby star
oooh
steel venture
Sethrak on the Alliance would be Devoted. Faithless are Old God allied.
ruby star
probably just so Blizz can give differn;t Sethrak NPC's tabards or cloak or what not ?
steel venture
The Faithless are the ones we kill, the Devoted are who we help.
strange falcon
faithless abandoned their loa and summoned mythrax(second to last boss in uldir)
also story spoilers ^
steel venture
Ye.
wild pewter
I'd play a Squid boi
steel venture
Yeah the squid-faced tidesages are people who have been corrupted by Nzoth
dense plover
i wasnt talking about sethrakk
im talking about the shitshow that max level currently is in beta
its in an almost alpha state
probably because they are mostly working on fixing all of the leveling and world bugs
strange falcon
well,yea,it would make sense to work on max lvl content
if the previous content block
isnt finished
meager warren
i want to see something based off of Davy Jones and crew of POTC, in Warcraft
tulip sun
Devoted honestly could go either way
It would make sense for them to go with Vulpera, seeing as they share territory and don't particularly mind eachother, but I doubt that'd go over well
ruby star
Devoted?
ruby star
Ooooh
slate ingot
Which was campaign
ruby star
What do you guys think the 8.2 & 8.3 allied races will be ? (not what you want them to be, but what you think Blizzard will make them be as tehy already haev them planned out)
uncut vault
They do mind each other, at least on the vulpera side
slate ingot
Horde one has tracking issues but works
uncut vault
The main vulpera lady is not a fan of sethrak at all
ruby star
I could really do with beta xD
jade basalt
Alright so the quest was wrong, it's Arlethas Sunwatcher, not Bloodwatcher. Still doesn't explain why he is the highest ranking member and High Examinor instead of Tae'thelan but, eh.
trail sail
Sethrak for the Alliance and Vulpera for the Horde
slate ingot
I mean I'll be done entirely with the horde war campaign this evening
I'll have more screens later
strange falcon
@ruby star did i mention that during the alliance war campaign,during the entire time the alliance is on vol'dun,you help ONLY sethrak,and you never see a single vulpera,and on top of that 90% of the vulpera npcs,including the camp guards are flagged as horde,and there are vulpera vendors in zuldazar
and since you cant give 2 races to the horde,and have to give 1 horde/1 alliance,snakes would go alliance,as on top of this,the moral values of the sethrak are very close to the ones of the alliance,
ruby star
@ruby star Oooo interesting
tulip sun
I am just debating if sethrak went alliance
strange falcon
why did you ping yourself
tulip sun
Howd the territory would work
Would they go to war with their vulpera neighbors again?
Voldun be split?
wild pewter
Alliance also get "Vuldunai" rep
strange falcon
that's for blizzard to decide,but as for the "allied race starting area" you would have the temple of sethraliss(big snake statue) for the sneks,and the vulpera hideaway or even vorrik's retreat as that place
uncut vault
No they do not
ruby star
@strange falcon oh crap whoops 😂
uncut vault
Voldunai is a horde only rep
tulip sun
Voldunai is 100 percent horde
strange falcon
everything you do on voldun gives you "alliance war effort" rep,which is now called 7th legion
tulip sun
The sethrak dont even got a rep
strange falcon
we have tested this already
trail sail
they are tied to the 7th Legion for now
wild pewter
Yes they very much do. "Now neutral with Voldunai" on a Human Paladin
tulip sun
I vould easily see both going horde, but i doubt that would happen.
strange falcon
@wild pewter screenshots or it didnt happen
wild pewter
Voldunai could easily be denizens of Voldun, different people for different factions.
🙄
32:10
wild pewter
Definitely!
uncut vault
Was it from rep gain, or clicking on an npc for the first time
Because every faction does the first click thing
tulip sun
It does say neutral...hm.
But it is confirmed to be
horde only
Each faction has three
wild pewter
I trust the video more than hearsay
wild pewter
You provide no proof 😄
strange falcon
it is listed on wowhead as horde only,so unless they changed it in the most recent patch
meager warren
was it confirmed by bliz that it is not a neutral faction, kham?
strange falcon
it may be a bug
wild pewter
WoWHead is a fansite at the end of the day and they often make mistakes, especially in beta.
wild pewter
Because neutral factions, like the Turtle people.
tulip sun
The horde wouldn't be able to get any rep from kul tiran factions
Each fsction has 3 exclusive ones
uncut vault
The tabard in the code is literally called faction_vulpera_horde
The tabard before it got its official name was Horde faction Vulpera PH
wild pewter
Again - I don't think Voldunai necessarily means Vulpera. Especially if an Alliance player can get neutral with it. It could just be a placeholder name.
meager warren
was it confirmed by bliz that it is not a neutral faction?
wild pewter
Nope ^^
slate ingot
Settle down boys and gals
meager warren
exactly.
uncut vault
I mean unless they have a mystery faction they haven’t revealed yet
It’s a horde faction
ruby star
Remember Void Gnomes are the new allied race!
wild pewter
I'm cool Lost!
slate ingot
I'll let people know if anything comes of the ready for war achievement
wild pewter
Yet the Alliance can gain rep with it? Think you're wrong there bud.
uncut vault
Because each zone has a group for their faction. Where’s the horde Voldun faction?
wild pewter
Please do Lost!
slate ingot
Nyi probably
wild pewter
Voldunai can easily be the people who live in Voldun. Could be snek people for Alliance, and Vulpera for Horde?
uncut vault
I’m still waiting for an actual picture of rep gain
strange falcon
well,the problem is,how would they make that work
uncut vault
Or the faction in an Alliance rep tab
strange falcon
it's not a neutral rep
wild pewter
Look at the video??
strange falcon
but it's a faction specific rep for both factions
that would be the first rep that does that as far as i know
uncut vault
Yeah vid shows nothing, you say you got it on your paladin
Can you show pics of the rep tab?
wild pewter
No I didn't?
meager warren
"I can get neutral with a faction on Alliance. MuSt BE a HoRDe faCtiON!"
wild pewter
I said it was on a human paladin - in that video. I gave you a time stamp 😂
slate ingot
Holy cow settle down folks
uncut vault
So far the only proof you have is that an alliance character do the same poke and get affiliated with a faction that every single faction ever does
meager warren
wat lol
wild pewter
That's... not how factions work?
meager warren
^
wild pewter
I can't just poke an Org guard and boom, I'm hated by Org.
it's not available for me at all.
slate ingot
Why are we arguing over something in beta that isn't even finished yet, secondly voldun on the alliance side is riddled with issues atm
wild pewter
I'm not arguing Lost!
Port simply has false information and seems to be sticking to it.
uncut vault
I’ll get a screenshot when I can
strange falcon
instead of arguing here,can someone actually go there as alliance
and see what happens
uncut vault
I’ve done all the Voldun quests on an alliance character
I’ll get pics of my rep tab
strange falcon
what if it's something new to this build,
i didnt have any reps on my alpha char,because they werent introduced
might want to go there fresh
wild pewter
That makes sense, as the video is also from this latest build.
terse patrol
@Portergauge#9512 What do you think about the potential cyborg gnomes?
uncut vault
Would be nice, I’d prefer if we got them just as an option for gnomes though
terse patrol
Ye
Apparently Kul Tiras has a large gnome population, and a bunch went missing suddenly. My guess is, they get turned into half-machines.
slate ingot
back to finishing the war campaign
hollow dock
i mean
we see a sanlyan
blow up a gnome
Pretty clear what's going to end up happening to them
slate ingot
if people are intersted I have screens from the drust var portion and derek proudmoore/boralus breakin
hollow dock
They might. I'm not really looking for story spoilers. Just class spoilers.
slate ingot
posted most of them this morning
tulip sun
Hmm
A sanlayn blows up a gnome?
When is this
This kul tiran gnome population is new to me
hollow dock
that rexxar picture tho
slate ingot
brief dialogue seems rexxar is not interested or not keen of what the plan is
yeah the family
tulip sun
Rexxar dont need to know about that stoof
hollow dock
Oh cool more kids the horde gets to gut
tulip sun
They are bot harming them...
slate ingot
Ill have some dialogue in a minute
terse patrol
The Alliance assassinate a new character Blizzard made specifically for the Alliance to kill. The “High Examiner” of the Reliquary.
Even though there’s ALREADY a High Examiner
mint arch
terse patrol
All the way from Burning Crusade.
slate ingot
terse patrol
So they made a character so the Alliance wouldn’t kill the actual important character.
Because the Alliance isn’t allowed to win.
Anyways
Blood Prince Dreven shows up, blood drains one of the gnomes on the mission, and spikes his skeleton on the ground.
slate ingot
god this blows with out tracking
tulip sun
Where is this? O.o
slate ingot
Stormsong
terse patrol
Voldun
tulip sun
Damn that is brutal and amazing at the same time
terse patrol
Anyways
hollow dock
oh cool the dad's dying
terse patrol
The Horde holds that family hostage btw, apparently
hollow dock
wonder when you guys rez him as forsaken and show him to the family
slate ingot
yeah that looks like maybe how we get zeiling
terse patrol
To keep Zelling compliant
slate ingot
yeah if you read my screens from earlier
his family his hostage
IE nathanos being a dick
slate ingot
and this is the stuff for how we get zeiling
hollow dock
Hordes nothing more than a bunch of savages.
slate ingot
as I couldnt get it before
hollow dock
vindication
slate ingot
if I could figure out where rexxar went lol
terse patrol
I hope the Alliance gets brutal vengeance
terse patrol
Hordies are claiming we’re killing innocent archaeologists in Voldun
terse patrol
Thats before he dies tho
hollow dock
Innocent hordies
slate ingot
hollow dock
in a war they started
slate ingot
hollow dock
something doesn't feel quite right with that
terse patrol
At least we aren’t killing civilians
But who knows
Maybe they’ll have the Alliance be M O R A L L Y G R E Y
terse patrol
No
Lillian says she’ll keep them safe
Nathanos kinda just takes over since he outranks her
hollow dock
oh alright
terse patrol
I kinda think Garona and Lillian are still in the Uncrowned, and plan to kill Sylvanas.
slate ingot
this is before
hollow dock
Oh I hope so
terse patrol
They’re trying to get close to her.
slate ingot
hollow dock
nathanos is just bein the cock blocker.
hollow dock
never thought rexxar was the 'go kill x' type
jade basalt
isn't showing up in the databases
slate ingot
because its probably not fixed yet
its not even tracking properly
everything post tiragarde atm
isnt tracking
at all
sour burrow
It would help if Alliance quest zones gave reputation...
slate ingot
if you search my messages from earlier you can see all I did including the screens
tulip sun
Sylvanas is trusting lilian and us with valkyr
tulip sun
Must be a similar horn used in the broken shore
slate ingot
or shows on the log
slate ingot
bit of forsaken stuff
hollow dock
it's the greater ones that take a lot of trust
slate ingot
from the dialogue there it seems Lilian trys to be direct with zeling about the turning into a forsaken
slate ingot
stone?
tulip sun
Sounds bad,
slate ingot
are you talking the tide sage rod from later?
tulip sun
Like, did she go insane after being rezzed
slate ingot
oh no
she doesnt
she gives you the location of Valentine
and is why we are in stormsong with a tidesage
because he can find ship wrecks lost at sea
I mean you can do the campaign past tiragarde and stone
its just a nightmare w/o tracking
tulip sun
I like the the stort of the horde one better so far tbh
terse patrol
There is no Alliance story yet so
slate ingot
horde one needs polish in stormsong
but its basically done outside of the small fixes
tulip sun
I mean, from what we see so far
and this is only the start of the war campaigns I think, so much more to come
slate ingot
tbh probably
itr seems like theres a feud brewing
between Nathanos and the proudmoores
specifically Katherine
tulip sun
Because of the corpse
tulip sun
So Dreven appears in the Alliance war campaign or?