#beta-ptr-spoilers
rich apex
ruby star
I'll give my boi Illidan a ring, he'll sort her out
rich apex
UltraLightforged Draenei Allied Race
uncut vault
Lightforged orcs allied race
karmic copper
Zandalariforgedvoidmaghardarkironhighmountainborne.
ruby star
VOID GNOMES
mint arch
VOID GNOMES PLS
wild pewter
Lightforged Zandalari Void Gnomes.
hollow dock
Lightitanvoidscourgeforged worgen high elves
strange falcon
it's always high elves with you
hollow dock
it's always vulpera with you
wild pewter
I'm all for expansion on storytelling. If they explain why Lillian changed her mind, dope, I'm in. Right now they haven't! 😄
hollow dock
same)
strange falcon
i've never said the word vulpera outside of advocating they would be playable vris
your argument is false
hollow dock
OK.
trail sail
Sethrak please 🐍
sharp bluff
Mmmmgggghhhh!!! 
meager warren
Lighttitanvoidscourgeforgedzandalaribeetlerobotninjagnomes
sharp bluff
Scourge forged sounds a bit to real at this point lol
jovial coral
I want playable drakonid even though there's not much evidence we'll get them
sour burrow
Some NPC numbers for the Sethrak in the Temple of the Devoted:
-Temple of the Devoted-
Serrik - 128687
Bladeguard Kaja - 129224
Warguard Rakera - 124832
Temple Defender - 129011 / 129202 / 129004
Zissiah (F) - 128696
Zareen (No sounds) - 134613
Faithless Warbringer - 129216
Hezzil (No sounds) - 129521
Issik - Innkeeper [Temp Vendor List] - 128693
Sissok (No sounds) - 128689
Ikoriss (No sounds) - 128692
Sorin (No sounds) - 128688
Zeriph (No sounds) - Repairs [Temp Vendor List] - 128697
Hessir (No sounds) - Cooking Trainer Temp Vendor List - 129014
Pterrordax - 139833 / 139835 / 139831
Vithur (No sounds) - Stable Master - 139827
Vethiss (No sounds) - Flight Master - 128695
Vorrik's Keystone - 139075
Warlord Zothix - 134638
Vorrik (Caged) - 128961
Serrik - 129518
Vorrik - 129519
Vorrik (Follow) - 128694
Bladeguard Kaja - 129224
Warguard Rakera - 129260
Sulthis' Keystone - 129257
dense plover
what is the purpose of posting those @sour burrow
sour burrow
NPC names for the various sethrak in the city, and an interesting insight into the development process to see what order thigns got added in. :)
sour burrow
Keeping track of these NPCs as the builds evolve, seeing if new stuff gets added or changes, tracking to see where certain NPC versions are / which ones may still be unused.
uncut vault
I figured out what theyre gonna do with balance druid
hollow dock
Oh?
uncut vault
leave it as the spamfest it is on the beta, then in 8.1, to go along with zandalari and kul tirans, theyll revamp it and make it great
just in time for all the new alts
hollow dock
how evil and devious of them
simple robin
Sounds like blizz
limber mural
YES. Just read about alu'neth and knaifu talking when transmogged in BfA
rich apex
When was the last time a spec was majorly revamped mid-expansion
And if Blizz had a new idea for Balance right now why would they delay it
tropic trail
destro locks saw a semi-major revamp in the middle of legion (really more like a rollback to wod tho)
with them reworking soul shards for destro
rich apex
Fair enough
tropic trail
also their mastery
rich apex
I mean ability overhauls, etc, not just balancing numbers
hollow dock
reworking soul shards kinda falls under that no?
rich apex
I mean ability overhauls, etc, not just balancing numbers
I mean ability overhauls, etc, not just balancing numbers
hollow dock
unf laggy internet
hollow dock
Unholy got saved.
rich apex
I didn't play mine enough to notice changes 😛
tropic trail
that's why I said semi-major, while reworking how soul shards are generated was a big deal, they weren't adding new abilities or changing how they function (in a meaningful way)
slate ingot
has anyone found the quarter masters
tortollan isnt in port of zandalari from what I can see any more as a horde and I dont know where the other ones are
found talanji's just doesnt have anything yet
olive mirage
balance right now https://i.redd.it/rd6dxdfzwpw01.jpg
meager warren
lul
wise pewter
rich apex
oldie but goodie
uncut vault
templars verdict
terse patrol
Wonder what the Blizzcon rewards will be this year
tropic trail
I would kill for a WC3 remaster
unfortunately with all the lore details that have been tweaked and changed, it would more likely be a remake instead of a remaster like we saw with starcraft
uncut vault
rideable n'zoth
tropic trail
"access to an exclusive blizzcon allied race"
uncut vault
also starcraft got a ton of lore tweaks too, lore is still the same in the remaster
hell the main plot of SC2 was a retcon from SC1
tropic trail
truth be told, I've never played either, my bad
they might just bring back the murlocs for blizzcon this year tho, a (more) old god themed murloc
rich apex
I mean
When they said SC1 remaster
I was hoping for SC1 in SC2's engine
Not just a resolution update 😛
Of course, WC3 isn't quite as dated
uncut vault
that would be a remake
also I dunno what they'd remake WC3 in, WoW still uses its engine afaik
rich apex
SC2 engine 😛
But yeah, unlikely
Presumably it will just be a touch up with background stuff to make sure it runs on modern computers, like the SC1 remaster
tropic trail
WC3 is actually still holding up decently, theres still custom maps being made, games being played, it's online, while not extremely lively, still isn't dead
terse patrol
That would be evil if Blizzard had a blizzcon allied race
I mean, I’d buy it.
But it’d be evil af
hollow dock
its a remastering
tropic trail
with their focus on allied races
tropic trail
anything is possible, but I mostly said that as a joke
it'll probably be a tentacle covered murloc
tropic trail
which makes no sense if they were going to remake/remaster it, why not start doing that after they rereleased it?
rich apex
Because the remaster is just graphics and technical stuff
The balancing would carry over
tropic trail
fair enough
rich apex
Especially for a new WC3 tournament
I'm just dreaming tho 😛
-But- on the other hand
It's an offyear for WoW
So they need some other kind of big (well, big-ish) annoucement
So unless Overwatch is finally getting some single player story content
Or Diablo 4
tropic trail
there's been rumors of blizz working on another fps
tropic trail
it could be a spinoff/sequel to overwatch
or starcraft
"starcraft ghost reconfirmed"
rich apex
THIRTEEN YEARS I WAITED
That's the thing
Overwatch single player spinoff
Seems the most obvious choice
tropic trail
I'm not sure how well overwatch would really lend itself to a singleplayer campaign tbh, would need a lot of tweaks I think
rich apex
I'll believe that when I see it
tropic trail
A new diablo game has been rumored to be in the works for awhile also
terse patrol
Rumor is, it might be a mobile phone thing
rich apex
Overwatch lends well to a single player campaign
terse patrol
Which will suck
rich apex
Because there's literally no other way for them to tell a story
With these detailed setting Metzen drove himself to anxiety for
tropic trail
I meant gameplay wise
rich apex
Eh
tropic trail
playing tracer through a singleplayer campaign would get boring imo
rich apex
The same way every other FPS does it
tropic trail
maybe I'm just being critical
rich apex
It can't possibly be any worse than a Call of Duty/Battlefield campaign
Jeff Kaplan will drive himself to anxiety next trying to make sure it isn't
Only to realize, as Gaben did
That there's not really anything new left to do with the FPS single player campaign
Or at least anything that's feasible
rich apex
When?
uncut vault
Horde test tomorrow
rich apex
Woooo
tulip sun
I wonder what will be different or added
rich apex
Server stability, hopefully
uncut vault
they do have changes
tropic trail
wonder if Baa'l will be the blizzcon pet this year
terse patrol
might be
tropic trail
which could mean a diablo announcement
hollow dock
there is shadow diablo pet that got leaked.
frigid umbra
Well reaper of souls was released in 2014... maybe we get diablo 4 announcement and release in 2019 or 2020
Besides that... not sure what else could be at blizzcon
Wow classic talk... diablo 4 announcement, heartstone exp, overwatch new 1 - 2 chars... noway a new starcraft game or sc2 dlc.... maybe a new game or new ip?!?!?
Lol why did that turn into a link?!? 😂
unborn pagoda
Link to Google maps 👌
frigid umbra
There we go... it was the no way causing the problem
south forum
tropic trail
strange falcon
got a great idea for a playable race guys
playable tolvir. It will be the perfect recruit a friend race, requiring one person to be the front and the other to be the back. It will be the first truly multiplayer experience! you cant log into the character
unless 2 ppl click on it
like cho'gall in heroes of the storm
it would be great cooperation
imagine 2 people cooperating in mythic raids front has general movement and defensive cooldowns
and the back has damage cooldowns and movement cooldowns(like blink or disengage)
terse patrol
no
hollow dock
yea no. It worked well in HOTS with Cho'gall
cuz Cho was the legs
gall is the hands
but how you describe does not sound fun
sharp bluff
people cooperating in mythic raids?
hollow dock
they kinda have to to get the fight done Zep
rich ocean
yeah i dont like that defencives are being put on the GCD...
i am all for the dps cooldowns like crusade, but they are prepped, while defencives are reatctionary, and that is what they said they dont want. They said they dont want you to stop attacking just incase you need to interupt, now its the same but with defencives
torpid sluice
Hey : ) is there a way to go in the horde's lands before ding 120 on the beta? I want to try the war-mode p o/
rich apex
War Campaign quests
torpid sluice
Do you know if it's long to achieve?
rich apex
Gotta finish one of your leveling zones
Get the War Campaign quest
Then you're on an opposite faction island
torpid sluice
ho ok thanks ^^
dense plover
Anyone else have a character that they can’t play with on beta because the game crashes once you load that character?
violet sphinx
if you are in Tiragarde Sound you have to put your graphics to 1 and you should be able to log back in happened to me in freehold then i turned down to 1 and got back in without crashing
rich apex
Did you die?
I had an issue with that in alpha
Otherwise just beta bug report forums, I wouldn't bet on getting the character back in use 😛
dense plover
Yes I died in voldun
But I crashed before I died
I’ll try the graphics to 1 thing
terse patrol
Hoping we see Blizzard add the Alliance war campaign quests next build.
dense plover
Does directX version matter?
worn rune
I crashed a few times using DX12
terse patrol
and lets hope the Alliance does cool stuff
cuz
The Horde is getting a lot of cool stuff
strange falcon
@dense plover how far into voldun have u got
strange falcon
lul
dense plover
gonna switch to graphics 1 and dx11
strange falcon
@dense plover first impressions of the sneks and the foxes
or you have to boil down a bit
sharp bluff
Well the good news for you alliance guys, if they are hiding your story for so long, must be important
hollow dock
Watch. Its just thr vindicaar descending from the heavens and punts the horde into submission
strange falcon
inb4 Ion gets overthrown and we get a super alliance bias gamedirector
that makes high elves playable,and gives them the most amount of customizations
than any race so far
terse patrol
I mean, Metzen was Horde biased, but he still gave love to the Alliance
hollow dock
Ion was still director when Metzen was around thi
Rho*
Tho*
And Metzen had more alliance love than Horde.
uncut vault
I don't think metzen was really biased either way. He just had characters and stories he thought were badass, so he told them. And I think he did varians story miles better than Thralls
dense plover
@violet sphinx your fix worked, thank you. can i turn the settings back or do I leave them there?
violet sphinx
when i got out of freehold I turned it back up
but you might want to leave them because it happens in a few spots in that area
sudden pollen
garrosh did nothing wrong tho.
hollow dock
Garrosh did a few things wrong
rich apex
🤔
uncut vault
Lightforged Chad Garrosh did nothing wrong
terse patrol
people denying horde favoritism
rich apex
garrosh bombs an alliance city unprovoked
terse patrol
ignore blizzcon 2011
hollow dock
to be fair the alliance and horde -were- at war at the time that he's bombing them
sudden pollen
You mean the military city that was feeding troops into Kalimdor? Yeah, totally unprovoked. lmao
hollow dock
Actually Theramore didnt' feed any troops to the rest of Kalmindor.
rich apex
Well, highly escalating the situation
terse patrol
Northwatvh was
hollow dock
^
hollow dock
Theramore was so pacifist that you had deserters -trying- to provoke them
hollow dock
Now it -was- an alliance port that yes the alliance -could- use to attack the horde
but that was it.
Northwatch was a much larger threat to the horde than theramore ever was.
terse patrol
That’s why Northwatch grew so much in size
Because Varian was using that as his Kalimdor port
hollow dock
at behest of Jaina.
sudden pollen
I did. And Theramore literally built up a highway to get to the Barrens quickly to better feed the Alliance soldiers.
hollow dock
So that theramore could remain as neutral as it could.
Not to mention that even while under horde attack, Jaina didn't have alliance soldiers defending the city
uncut vault
People always cite the highway without realizing it was initially constructed as a safe supply and trade route
terse patrol
^
Jaina wanted to normalize relations with the Horde
It would have happened if not for the Cataclysm
hollow dock
now again, yes it -was- an alliance port that -could- have been used against the horde.
but that's it. Probabilities.
maybes. that's what Garrosh attacked on
in which btw, Northwatch still stands
and isn't being destroyed
and it's actively fighting horde
and everyones ignoring it
just keep that in mind
sudden pollen
The alliance did use it as a port.
There is no could
It was used as a port, and the Alliance were using the highway(not for its intended purpose) to send troops into the Barrens.
Northwatch was actually taken out in Tides of War, and was being worked on after the destruction of Theramore by the Alliance military. We have zero idea on what is happening with Northwatch currently.
sudden pollen
Implies that Northwatch was entirely rebuilt then. I was not aware it was going to be remembered.
terse patrol
(which is lame.). I’d prefer Azshara as a Warfront.
sudden pollen
Hoping they keep the idea of Feralas being a warfront.
terse patrol
Azshara Warfront would be cool.
uncut vault
It'll most likely be fort triumph vs taurajo (which is confirmed) but I can dream about getting a night elf outpost in the overgrowth
sudden pollen
Taurajo is rebuilt? Neat.
Probably not going to stop the Horde crying out "BUT TAURAJO" though. Lmao
ruby star
At least your actually in the beta Peach! XD
rich apex
Ehhhh
as I said in another channel
We're being given the barest fraction of the whole picture here
dim flower
Idk
rich apex
But that won't stop the clickbait videos, so
dim flower
Lightforged are kinda OP
Maybe Blizzard doesn't want the Alliance to have them :o
Oh wait
That's not connected
AAAAAA
let me watch the video
I'll get back
rich apex
It's just going to be a summary of the datamine post
Followed by some probably baseless speculation
I mean Bellular's not the worst
But still
sudden pollen
^ Au draenei are implied to have gone to extreme routes.
But that's the most we can make out of that.
dim flower
Okay so Draenei are implied to have gone to extreme routes.
strange falcon
that takes too much time
sudden pollen
Key word: Implied
dim flower
Still extreme routes
sudden pollen
Well in this instance they'd be extreme jihadists more than Nazis.
Or even the crusaders
No they didnt
rich apex
There is definitely no thematic theme about the line between faith and fanaticism
dim flower
They killed Jews?
rich apex
Okay
rich apex
Who wants to explains 1000 years of European history
Culminating into the events of WW2
dim flower
Well there's obviously more to national-socialism
But fine
If you want me to use a different word
Crusader
sudden pollen
Crusade
dim flower
THE POINT IS
i made up
a stupid conspiracy theory
with no basis earlier
and i'm trying to be right
strange falcon
that profile pic perfectly fits with the text in the screenshot
hollow dock
Now that's what I call edgy volume 3
uncut vault
how dare blizz try to rectify the ending of WoD that people hated and make Yrel a character with her own personality
preposterous
sullen dagger
rich apex
The irony that everyone suddenly loves Yrel's OG character arc now
strange falcon
i believe yrel was supposed to have her big character development moment
in the shattrath raid tier
that was cancelled
cuz garrisons
rich apex
I mean
If the ~dark secret~ was just that she's Archimonde's daughter
As I have heard
It's not exactly much more than an extra quest chapter's worth of angst
Before she valiantly finds her courage again to step up as the leader her people need
hollow dock
a child of shadow and light :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
rich apex
General forums: lol why did the draenei just let grom off scot free after all that mass murder
Ion: you know what, that's a good point
hollow dock
Also General forums: WHY THE FUCK ARE THE DRAENEI NOW MURDERING ORCS???? THEY DID NOTHING WRONG
hollow dock
#gromdidafewthingswrong
hollow dock
#likefatherlikeson
rich apex
The thing is
Gul'dan was right
In the end
(except for the bit where the orcs did kind of invite their own destruction there)
But Gul'dan said the draenei would turn against them
hollow dock
Only because the orcs turned on them. :>
Cuz they existed peacefully for hundredss of years
rich apex
Yeeeeah
Thus it is only a meme
But like
Everyone is just hilariously underestimating the sheer moral strength the OG draenei have
That Velen can actually forgive the orcs
And shepherd his people to do the same
rich apex
(remember that time Genn wanted to just murder the Second War survivors and bitched constantly about the costs of the camps)
hollow dock
that's how much sway Velen had on his people
that he could sway their hatreds on the Orcs -and- Sin'dorei
rich apex
I mean, presumably some agreed with Velen more than others
Like the Chronicle notes how Maraad pushed for more aggression against the orcs
At the start of the war
hollow dock
Granted not everyone wanted to forgive them,
but Velen is kinda what stopped a crusade
rich apex
The OG draenei clearly aren't mindless
But presumably, without Velen, the factions of AU draenei who pushed for retaliation
Outweighed the pacifists
hollow dock
most likely.
rich apex
Especially if Yrel was at the head of a hardline group of them
rich apex
Yrel, who was enslaved and had her sister murdered
uncut vault
none of the other exarchs were really pacifists anyways
hataaru died and he was the closest to it
rich apex
There is a -dangerously- thin line between faith and fanaticism
hollow dock
Yup. No velen, and velen's words were heavy on the draenei.
rich apex
Why would the draenei be immune to it?
hollow dock
It shows jus thow important Velen is to the Draenei as a people.
uncut vault
velens last words were also really fucking easy to misinterpret
rich apex
That too
terse patrol
also
rich apex
Yrel can say whatever she likes about Velen's last words
terse patrol
yrel isnt murdering orcs
rich apex
she can even believe that she's doing what Velen would have wanted
hollow dock
Yea no she isn't but ya know
hollow dock
people need that sensationalism
that instant aggression without ever doing research
tis the climat
rich apex
Well, being killed for fighting back against a forcible conversation is still murder
uncut vault
Remember, life is the Light, and the Light is life itself. They may be exchanged, but nothing is ever lost.
terse patrol
The Light is always Right
rich apex
It's a reasonable development of her character
hollow dock
I think she's perfectly in the right tbh.
rich apex
Cycle of hatred baby
terse patrol
i mean
rich apex
And it is a good paralelel
uncut vault
people need to learn the difference between a bad person and a bad character
terse patrol
if everyone on draenor followed the light
rich apex
That the Cycle exists on Draenor as much as Azeroth
uncut vault
this applies to a lot of female characters in WoW
hollow dock
^
rich apex
What Port said
rich apex
🤔
rigid furnace
I wonder if in the interim time-gap the orcs killed what remained of the botani and gorgrond as a whole became entirely desert. Due to that line from the Lightbound that the orcs' hate is what killed the once fertile land.
hollow dock
it might also reference to the damage done to tanaan, the damages that Cho'gall unleashed in Nagrand, etc etc etc.
There's a lot of things that it can reference.
rigid furnace
Very true.
I have a feeling it's in reference to Nagrand personally.
What land is more fertile than that there that was under Orcish rule?
hollow dock
The orcs hate of the Draenei also led them to the Legion and I dont think Tanaan is doing well
dense plover
i mean
hollow dock
what with the fel lava
dense plover
the version of gorgrond they use
is jungle free
its the alpha version where the desert is the entire zone
and train tracks span it
but with the new version of blackrock spliced in to the map
so clearly they did kill the jungle somehow
hollow dock
that's more to the north isnt it? The jungles are all to the south
dense plover
on the map, the jungles of gorgrond are 100% gone
the entire zone is like the desert/rock part
strange falcon
isnt the gorgrond map,the one they used in alpha WoD?
dense plover
thats what i said dafire
hollow dock
huh. So I guess they did wipe out the Botani then.
Makes sense that theres no green there now
They were the onlyones making it green
terse patrol
wonder what happens to the arakkoa and ogres
strange falcon
botani allied race just got written out of the story
dense plover
where do you go for warfront testing?
hollow dock
nah
terse patrol
I assume they'll get LIGHTIFIED
hollow dock
I heard it was a table you click on
rigid furnace
uh, Botani I could never see as an Allied race. Plant/Fungus Hivemind doesn't mesh with anyone.
hollow dock
Yea but
rich apex
The Warfront table is at the Zuldazar docks
hollow dock
they appear
rich apex
Or was last time
hollow dock
so theyre an allied race
100%
if you haven't noticed, yes I am mocking the idiots that keep saying everything is an allied race and everything has a possibility of becoming an allied race
rigid furnace
Interesting. I imagine the tall arakkoa likely joined the draenei's crusade.
strange falcon
vris allied race 100% confirmed
hollow dock
Idk about the outcasts.
I think they'd not join it
or have been wiped out
which makes me sad if they were
uncut vault
arakkoa likely wouldnt have
hollow dock
cuz I liked Reshad.
uncut vault
by the end of WoD, the cursed and non-cursed joined together
sharp bluff
So question, in the 30 years between WoD and now on AU Dreanor, were there demons? I ask this because what if this is the route where the Drenai don't have to fear being found by demons.
Just a thought
uncut vault
there were no demons, thats one of the big plot points
sharp bluff
so it is just a "what if"
hollow dock
there are timelinesbeing made now that don't have events like the War of Eternity happen?
uncut vault
Chronicles 3 officially explained how timelines work
hollow dock
Yea yea they eventually collapse into nothing unless we interfere
uncut vault
theres one main timeline, and divergences die off shortly after because they cant sustain themselves
hollow dock
but it's never stated -when- or -how- it happens.
uncut vault
so you're saying lightforged garrosh needs to travel back in time to pre-well of eternity
and stop the dark trolls?
hollow dock
Yes
sharp bluff
but oddly WoD timeline is still alive and (maybe) well
hollow dock
Cuz we interfered
which makes mewonder
is the rest of that universe just gone
except for Draenor?
uncut vault
timelines become independent and self sustaining once bridged into the main timeline
hollow dock
or is the rest of that universe there.
Cuz that means that -that- Azeroth is completely untouched by the horde.
sharp bluff
🤔
uncut vault
pretty sure the rest of the universe is still there, just kinda fucked because old gods on azeroth
uncut vault
oh I forgot they made that change
sharp bluff
but that also raises a question Vris, would a AU Azeroth have survived a Legion assault?
hollow dock
Yoggy is probably still in control of Ulduar
uncut vault
huh so azeroth really would be dandy without the horde
hollow dock
The whole timeline stabalizes once we connect it Hyper
that includes the rest of the universe
rigid furnace
It's more than that isn't it? Timeline differences would be branching points from MU. Since WoD Draenor is a whole AU they have their own timeline and shenanigans.
uncut vault
any timeline difference creates a new timeline which dies out eventually
hollow dock
Until it connects to us
so that timeline kept going, and that includes the rest of the universe
So there is An AU Azeroth that exists. With no horde. No Cho'gall and twilight's hammer.
uncut vault
AU high elves confirmed
hollow dock
Alexstrasza never had to force breed out a brood for the Dragonmaw
sharp bluff
with Humans and Nelfs killing each other probably Vris
hollow dock
there's no scourge over there
sharp bluff
at least i would think
uncut vault
nelfs wouldnt really have left kalimdor, at least not much
and the times they did, they were allied with the alliance
hollow dock
but they certainly wouldn't be letting them into Ashenvale
the Tauren are 100% wiped out
No horde to save em from the Centaur
uncut vault
RIP cairne
hollow dock
the Darkspear are wiped out, no horde to save em from the Naga
sharp bluff
that also raises the question of would the AU Az survive the second invasion? because that would still happen
hollow dock
I dont think the second invasion ever happened.
uncut vault
it wouldnt because it only happened because of the scourge
hollow dock
Cuz right after WoD, legion launches its full assault.
uncut vault
to destabilize the world
sharp bluff
no Tauren either, without the horde they dead
hollow dock
So if all their energy is directed at MU azeroth, they wouldn't bother sending a missing archimonde to start a third war.
uncut vault
would he be a paladin
sharp bluff
AU Az sounds like a crappy place, no trolls, no Tauren, no space goats
sharp bluff
Worgen curse would probably be a lot worse in AU then, since Nelfs would not go out of their city, it would spread
hollow dock
well actually
sharp bluff
maybe
hollow dock
it wouldn't exist
it's only because of the saytrs that the worgen were created
and because of Fel Wood and the Scourge that they were re-released
So without those two factors, the worgen are never brough out of the dream
meager warren
no trolls?! 😱
hollow dock
the darkspear and amani would have been either completely wiped out
sharp bluff
AU Az has a lot of dead races
meager warren
zandalari trolls tho?
sharp bluff
Or would, if it were real
hollow dock
or very very very small in number.
The zandalari should befine
but with no coming cataclysm
as there's no twilight's hammer
meager warren
"no trolls" implies no trolls
hollow dock
they'd probably stay on Zuldazar.
We specifically stated the Darkspear trolls tho
and maybe the Amani trolls to
rigid furnace
So, I guess my question is;
Is Draenor from WoD an entirely separate universe or merely a branched timeline that became sustained through our interference?
Because chronological events on a wide scale are different there from MU as well as people to an extent. Even some locations.
I guess it was Bronze Dragon tech that allowed us to head there, so timeline seems plausible but most alternate timelines have merely a few focal points that changed history. Here there is a considerable number of alterations big and small shaping it as a more unique plane even if an echo.
meager warren
The Darkspear trolls came from the Zandalari Trolls.
Eventuallly, another sect of trolls, be it jungle trolls or otherwise would fill the darkspear's place on AU azeroth
may not be darkspear trolls but another name tho
sharp bluff
But it caught up in BFA basically
olive mirage
no? its still way in the past
sharp bluff
No it caught up slayer
olive mirage
yeah, with the help of the bronze dragon flight
hollow dock
Like what it is now
meager warren
mag'har we get are from current day draenor
hollow dock
30 years -after- we left at the end of WoD
sharp bluff
It was weird timey wimey stuff, the timelines synced like clocks
olive mirage
i guess the bronze dragons just skipped ahead to that part of the future, cause time would still flow normally prob
meager warren
we went back in time 30 years ago with the help of the bronze dragons (presumably) and magic
hollow dock
They didn't
sharp bluff
So run at the same time now
hollow dock
there's no say on how we got there
Sylvans gets there and saves the Mag'har
It wasn't with bronze dragons we got there
Garrosh linked our Dark Portal with WoD's Dark Portal
meager warren
MAGIC
http://gph.is/Quih86
hollow dock
that's how we got there
rigid furnace
But WoD's portal is broken.
hollow dock
Because we broke it
We got there beforehand through that portal
then we stabalized our own portals to and from.
meager warren
our Garrison Hearthstone ain't broken.
sharp bluff
But basically the timeline, now stable, started to ‘catch up’, it should be running just about in sync with our universe now
rigid furnace
I wonder if any Horde or Alliance deserted and attempted to live there as we left. Seems odd to declare "We'll take this land for the alliance" and then everyone leaves. Not even a single peon remaining. I don't imagine it's as squeaky clean as Blizz might make it seem.
rigid furnace
It's still a land full of resources. I could see there being some small human or orc village.
sharp bluff
Plus some MU goblins stayed behind as infected
rigid furnace
Ah, true. That whole infection incident.
sharp bluff
Yep, so some are there still
meager warren
and the ones on that island off the coast of Shadowmoon Valley
sharp bluff
Plus all the artifacts we stole and took with us, those probably helped sync the timelines
meager warren
wonder if they're still there 🤔
sharp bluff
We left some stuff, we took some stuff, binding the two together probably
rigid furnace
I could see the port town sticking around in Spires for either. Sounds like Horde Garrison got abandoned going off of Mag'har pokes. The Alliance Garrison could be abandoned as well or turned into a small city that the Draenei have dominion over.
uncut vault
god this is such a cool little detail
the wildhammer chick in the warfront has a passive that has a storm around her
so anywhere she flies turns the sky cloudy and rainy and starts calling down lightning strikes
hollow dock
that sounds annoyingly OP in pvp
dense plover
so uh
warfronts
theyre kind of really difficult to coordinate anything with 20 people
they need to make the npcs just a bit less coordinated orr slower
because players are individuals
and we arent using VO
even if we can
hollow dock
sounds like a personal problem
dense plover
no
its an issue with coordinating a large scale battle
theres 20 other players
who might work together
but generally only want to help themselves
VOIP or not
hollow dock
So tell everyone to get into coms. if they don't wanna work together in an online game that requires that
uncut vault
we're coordinated in this one with just text
hollow dock
then sucks for everyone
dense plover
i mean'
uncut vault
just gotta have someone who knows how to lead things
hollow dock
that's not an issue on blizz. that's a player issue.
dense plover
since there are A LOT of mechanics
the number of mechanics is a blizzard issue
none of the mechanics are explained
you have to figure them all out
and theres a lot of them
they need a tutorial like with islands
hollow dock
might be that. but if no one wants to learn it. 🤷
dense plover
its not that no one wants to learn it vris
there are no explanations given
you are dropped in a thing
and you dont have time to learn it
hollow dock
I don't see an issue there
hollow dock
I play games that have no explinations in em
uncut vault
the entire warfront basically is a tutorial
hollow dock
I don't see an issue with that practice
uncut vault
it has the commander and the goblin screaming exactly what to do
dense plover
they give you directions
they dont explain which buildings are good
they dont tell you how troops function
oak wraith
I had no trouble on a previous run. Just don't bother too much at first. There's more chances to run them when they're live.
oak wraith
It looks like it's similar to the troops in HotS
dense plover
sort of i think
oak wraith
(which you also don't control)
dense plover
but they seem to pick random paths
which makes spawning them difficult
if i want healers, i dont want them to go the direction everyone isnt
i want them to go towards the players
to heal
also, why have an entire building dedicated to siege engines
if you can only spawn 3
and a player can have more than 1
so someone who saves iron could buy all 3 and thats it
hollow dock
I mean
dense plover
building is wwasted
hollow dock
didn't they say that tehy wanted this to mimic RTS?
wouldn't that also imply upgrades?
hollow dock
Which upgrades are normally bought off of the buildings
hollow dock
for the units and junk
oak wraith
You're over-analyzing it I think. It's a PvE thing, so don't worry too much, as long as the Warfront progresses.
dense plover
the only choice is which units you want to spawn
im not over analyzing
im trying to understand the point of some of the things
uncut vault
they pick the path that is least pushed
dense plover
see? that would be helpful knowledge
hollow dock
I mean. you're saying blizz should compensate for player incompetence
uncut vault
I mean I learned it by looking at the map
dense plover
no, im saying they should give explanations for anything
the fact that you can cut trees is explained
but only miners can mine iron
which seems a bit unintuitive
considering everyone can get wood
you have to go back to base to get your iron if you arent a miner
and you need to do that frequently
uncut vault
oh thats neat, the buildings are destroyed when you first land
so it actually is reclaiming the base that got destroyed
uncut vault
iron spawned all the time
uncut vault
plus the motherlode
dense plover
but its strange that only miners can mine the iron, bbut anyone can chop trees
uncut vault
no in the mine, it spawns as mine carts
hollow dock
maybe its an over time
ruby star
only miners can mine
dense plover
no i was there for a while
ruby star
however you can get iron from chest
dense plover
no one else was there
uncut vault
also all of the zone is now updated, and you can explore it all
dense plover
the minecarts were not spawning if they shoudve
im thinking i may have run into a bunch of bugs that make it seem like its artificially difficult
when it was really just a bit glitched
oak wraith
Hm, since when is a dagger not a one-handed melee weapon? ponders
uncut vault
game calls it a dagger, one handed melee weapon = axe sword mace
meager warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense plover
that link doesnt work
eternal jay
Does for me.
uncut vault
Not in the open world, but the new stuff is with the arathi quests in mind, and the most recent build had an open world arathi phase ready
rich apex
Oh
sharp bluff
Shame, by the sound of it they need to add a system like GW2 uses for there WvWvW
oak wraith
Remember that Warfronts are PvE content, not PvP
restive sage
shoutout to all the people that still remember me from when i first started
from when i had no rare mounts
and now i do have a rare mount or 2
dense plover
interesting to see some zandalari architecture in those shots
i guess warfronts are going to not take place at launch then?
uncut vault
not zandalari, just generic troll stuff
true matrix
wow! arathi looks so nice now
tropic trail
never seen darkspear architecture like this, you sure that's not zandalari? https://i.imgur.com/uSoN8tP.jpg
dense plover
thats 100% zandalari architecture though
its literally straight from zuldazar
maybe its supposed to represent the grimtotem?
meager warren
aren't the grimtotem a tauren tribe?
tulip sun
I find the horde war campaign very interesting
meager warren
i find it could be better
if they just scrapped the whole thing and made neutral factions
rich apex
Ion: what if we did something crazy, like abolish the factions
Some programmer: well, we built the faction system into the game code in like 1999 when we made the alpha version...
meager warren
i bet most people would hate that unfortunately
also Ion: The best things are never easy
meager warren
lol nah
rich apex
Even if that pillar mostly just involves whining about bias
meager warren
people are gonna whine about everything blizz does regardless.
the game would be better with neutral factions.
it would still have wars too, what with the fact that literally,
Every. Single. Expansion. Has had war in it from other factions/ groups.
it would still be warcraft without the pointless war
tulip sun
The thing is
Many characters would not go for that
Genn, defiantly Tyrande and Malfurion after BfA
I doubt Sylvanas
meager warren
and those people would be cast to the side while people like Thrall, Anduin, Taran'zhu, the Black Prince, etc take the reins
tulip sun
You don't just throw them to the side
They all have heavy influences to their factions
meager warren
they don't if the factions change enough so that their influence no longer matters
ooh, i forgot to include Saurfang on the list of neutral characters
i'm guessing they're either a hacker or a scammer
how do you know this?
no
elder otter
... Blizzard hasn't given anyone any beta keys yet.
So, FYI, that person was full of it... and left the server on their own when no one bought it. Be careful with crap like that everyone.
tranquil steeple
As much as I'd like to get on the Beta and whatnot, I wouldn't try getting a beta key from any means other than official Blizzard posts/giveaways.
dense plover
i mean
if they give out keys
as long as you dont need to give personal info or money
its no harm
because a strong of letters and numbers thats bullshit doesnt do anything
meager warren
is that Vol'jin?
wet veldt
Well yeah. It's from ifunny
meager warren
quick, someone replace Gru with Vol'jin in that
wet veldt
Yass
tranquil steeple
What's even in the original screenshot
rich apex
Hey remember that time Genn voted to kill every last orc prisoner
meager warren
no
tropic trail
all the orc prisoners were invading aliens, if the alliance had killed them all they wouldn't be unjustified, it still would've been morally wrong, but not evil.
rich apex
Still surrendered prisoners by that point
meager warren
but most of the horde players don't want a clearly deranged and flat villain to die for.... i don't even know
tropic trail
that they couldn't just release, or send back to where they came from, it was either kill them or imprison them, and after all the damage they caused, it makes some sense to have just executed them as a precaution, but instead teranis put them into camps to slowly wither and die, which ultimately led to the founding of the new horde
meager warren
and it is when the founding of the new horde began when the entire HvA scheme should have ended
tropic trail
and if they had killed the orcs the world would've probably fallen to the legion since the orcs wouldn't have been there to help fight archi
during wc3
meager warren
and the big-bad in TBC
rich apex
That is the thing, yes
meager warren
and the Lich King in Wrath
rich apex
Orcs get 1/3 credit for saving the world
meager warren
and Deathwing in Cata
and the void in Mists
and the legion in WoD
and the legion in Legion
and the void in BfA
so it's quite obvious that the horde are different now than they were when they first became residents of Azeroth
tropic trail
notice that the orcs actually caused half those problems tho, mists and wod, and if wod hadn't happened legion wouldn't have
meager warren
Garrosh and his Hellscream's Horde was the problem in Mists and WoD though
and, by effect, legion as well
tropic trail
until the end of mists, it was stil just "the horde"
meager warren
at the beginning of mists, it was just Garrosh
tropic trail
and again, if the orcs weren't around, garry wouldn't be, and then mists wouldn't have happened
meager warren
"if the orcs weren't around"
wat
if they had fallen to the legion, TBC would have ended much worsely
and by effect, none of the later expacs would have happened.
tropic trail
this whole conversation was about if the humans had executed the orcs
meager warren
yes, mb
had to scroll up
tropic trail
and I'm not sure about BC, the real big threat was Kael and KJ, and without the orcs I'm not sure what the belves would've done. All this assuming that the humans and night elves beat archimond in wc3
for sure without the orcs (really just thrall) deathwing would've won in cata
meager warren
yep. the alliance and horde have been helping each other for over a decade.
but hey, it's only about 10 years of stupidity
dense plover
so world quest emissaries dont give the chests anymore
of the 3 up right now, 1 gives war resources, the other two give artifact power'
and world quest rewards are pretty similar
but gold rewards seem to have been separated from resources
meager warren
o no 😱
dense plover
and azerite rewards right now seem a bit all over the place so im thinking that parts not finished
there are still gold world quests
they just only give gold
and resource ones only give resources
meager warren
do pvp ones only give pvp :thonk:
meager warren
o
gaunt jewel
isn't anybody else getting dced from BFA beta?
dense plover
yes
turn graphics to 1
and make sure you are using dx11
it will be fixed tuesday
slate ingot
Any where I can give some screen grabs I have some from the third section of the horde war campaign that's extremely buggy
It's the section with Derek proudmoore
dense plover
you can post them here
if they are any good, generally the staff will ask if they can use them
slate ingot
and then is how you get to there eventually I forgot to grab screens of the other quests but
uncut vault
are these max level quests for Horde?
slate ingot
they are the war campaign
after you raise the three dead people in drustvar/tiragarde/stormsong
I was able to do grab and go and turn it in as grab and go is extremely NYI
oh found the follow up to grab and go
jade basalt
@slate ingot Is Zelling willing, or was he forced to tell them about the artifact and to retrieve it ?
slate ingot
He from the quest I had was forced as nathanos has his family hostage
But the stuff to raise him is Nyi or bugged
As I'm missing drustvar and stormsong for the war campaign achievement
jade basalt
Right, that changes the whole context. If he wasn't being forced it would've been pretty dumb.
slate ingot
I have a picture posted from yesterday I think
When you turn in the artifact he says something about his family
rich apex
Cause that dude was 100% willing
jade basalt
slate ingot
he wasnt
jade basalt
Hmm not sure if he is being forced
slate ingot
Nathanos threatened his family
rich apex
The dude that begged Lillian to raise him so he could keep protecting his fmaily?
jade basalt
Yes
rich apex
(and then, shocker, found out they didn't approve)
jade basalt
The picture I linked is confusing
jade basalt
In the first Pic he is like yeah this will allow us to win the war, and the other he's like oh lord I'm betraying my own people
slate ingot
read the last line
his family
is being used to force him
to help get a tidesage artifact
rich apex
I mean he's helping the Horde invade Kul'tiras
jade basalt
He says 'promise my family will be safe', yes
slate ingot
they go to stormsong monastery to get a tide sage artifact
for what purpose dont know yet
jade basalt
But why is he in the previous Pic saying 'yay this will allow us to win the war!'
slate ingot
datamine broad cast text that and stormsong isnt testable yet because drustvar isnt working
because nathanos isnt there at the grave
so theres no way to test the two quests leading up to derek proudmoore granted you can do derek proudmoores quest stuff
this is the end result of strike on boralus + lillian voss as a follower
jade basalt
So I am confused, in one quest he's all 'oh lord can't believe this, betraying my own people.. promise my family will be safe..' And the other he's like 'yay this will allow us to win the war against the Kul Tiran'
@slate ingot Anything that could help ?
slate ingot
I guess where are you getting your information from
first
because his quests arent even testable yet
slate ingot
I mean TLDR hes the only one who can get them what they need in that rod
and hes doing what he can as effectively as he can
but until his story is available
I only grabbed what I could in screengrabs
with the biggest thing being derek proudmoore and the tidesage artifact dont know for what
meager warren
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8ihadg/cairne_vs_baine_what_character_of_this_too_you/
Is this pic of Cairne real
uncut vault
Scepter is likely used to control the tides like a tidesage can
slate ingot
given that its probably used for something of that nature and zeiling was the only one who could perform the ritual to get it
he may be the only one who can use it
uncut vault
Doesn’t the text say that? Only he can perform the ritual
terse patrol
M O R A L L Y G R E Y
slate ingot
he only goes as far as retreiving the scepter with the player in the monastery in Boralus
slate ingot
keep in mind the horde has derek and the tide scepter a very important tidesage scepter
terse patrol
Maybe he destroys the scepter, or uses it against the Horde
slate ingot
who knows but being as far as I am Ill only know the last two im missing
basically i'll be able to get the story for the marshalls grave and then zeiling
uncut vault
Doubt it, seems like they’re trying to introduce more forsaken characters to the horde
meager warren
Adding Thomas to my list of neutral characters... :P
uncut vault
How’d you get the scepter quests without his death stuff?