it won't be at the same time
#beta-ptr-spoilers
terse patrol
If Blizzard did that, they would face the worst backlash imaginable.
rich apex
People bitch enough when Ion says why they decided -not- to do one race
Much less to give an extra one
rich apex
k e k
meager warren
people bitch regardless of what ion says.
even if he says nothing.
rich apex
True
meager warren
people do nothing but bitch
lean yew
I doubt we'll ever see them give horde 2 in a row and alli none
rich apex
But there's enough Allied Race ideas to throw in regardless of the current state of the plot
lean yew
if anything I see them going back and forth
terse patrol
Ion isn’t exaxtly diplomatic, so it makes sense.
rich apex
The BFA Plot didn't -demand- Dark Irons and Mag'har
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Exactly*
rich apex
Whereas the Plot did kind of demand Kul'tirans and Zandalari
lean yew
look at san'alayan as a possibility or w/e
rich apex
That too
lean yew
thats just random af
jovial coral
When you mouse over a race the allied races related to that race should replace the races you didn't mouse over.
lean yew
But think about it
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allied race or not sanlayn are still a major plot point
rich apex
Ehh
lean yew
how many random races have we forgotten about from how many xpacs?
rich apex
Major remains yet to be seen
uncut vault
as in, spans BOTH war campaigns major
terse patrol
So, if we don’t get Junker Gnomes, what would we get instead as the Gnome allied race? Something new?
uncut vault
main antagonist of the alliance one, and survives it, big ally in the horde one
rich apex
I still doubt Blizz is forcing themself to find an Allied Race that -exactly- ties to a base race
lean yew
and they're making the new races on new xpacs have a chance at becoming an allied race
They said they had a list of 20 and worked down
rich apex
(And vulpera have nothing to do with goblins except for a skeleton)
lean yew
and that for bfa they're all planned
terse patrol
I meant a gnome skeleton.
lean yew
I can easily see whatever allied races we don't get in bfa by the end, they'll lump a few onto the next xpac pre-order
I'm positive it's why their quarterly report for wow was so damn good
rich apex
I doubt Blizz is forcing themselves to use the gnome skeleton either
lean yew
suddenly wow is more important than hearthstone again ????
rich apex
tho Mechagnomes would be cool
rich apex
I mean
WoW's currently launcing a new expansion
And that drags back all the people who took a break
lean yew
They're monetizing wow better and better
meager warren
what if they just forgot about the gnomes
rich apex
The Battlenet store broke for -pre orders-
lean yew
allied races are -LITERALLY- printing money
They finally found the equivalent of hearthstone packs for wow
its not pets, its not cosmetic helms, its not mounts
its races lol
terse patrol
tbh. I PRAY the Horde gets a taste of Suramar for the Azshara patch.
meager warren
:thonk:
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“Haha, nice work helping this cool new race out, Horde. They’re Alliance now.”
jovial coral
Sounds like a restaurant
rich apex
I mean
lean yew
Yeah vulpera won't be alliance, doesn't make sense at all
rich apex
Both sides help the Lightforged
terse patrol
Taste of Suramar. Try the quiche.
rich apex
The Void Elves are literally defecting from the Horde
lean yew
unless a faction of them breaks off cause they don't like the horde ways
rich apex
Vulpera are literally a Horde only faction
lean yew
snek pls
Im going to be spending so much money on race changes
everytime a new one is out
lean yew
race change, race change
lean yew
I mean
rich apex
I mean
lean yew
tortollans are both sides
lean yew
but I think we're gonna get tortollans
rich apex
Sethrak and tortollans don't have anywhere near the customization of vulpera
terse patrol
I mean, I honestly hope Blizzard does something wild, and makes something totally new for the Alliance.
lean yew
consider this
in 8.1 we're prob getting the azshara zone right
could be a new race there for us
rich apex
Given they haven't even said if we'll get more Allied Races past KTs/Zandas
terse patrol
8.2 more likely.
meager warren
Zul'gurub remaster when
lean yew
no - azshara is the gul'dan of bfa
rich apex
They already did that 😛
meager warren
what
meager warren
wdym they did that
lean yew
8.1 is zandalar raid
8.1.5 will be the first "tier raid" if tier still existed, azshara
rich apex
Uldir is the Zandalar raid?
lean yew
no
the zandalar raid will be equivalent of trial of valor
some short raid to tie up a storyline
rich apex
That's Uldir tho
lean yew
no
rich apex
The G'huun storyline ends there
lean yew
sure
rich apex
What other plot points are there
rich apex
Well shit
lean yew
did you not see the datamining
rich apex
Anything could just pop up
terse patrol
why
lean yew
like ToV
rich apex
Datamine only counts for so much without context
terse patrol
Why can’t we have a Kul Tiras raid
lean yew
then azshara will be the night hold
meager warren
what hyper said
terse patrol
Second Zandalar raid would be shitty
rich apex
Admittedly, bringing back Hakkar isn't the worst idea
meager warren
i wanna see hogger in a raid
lean yew
we're prob going to get a new zone
rich apex
Even if we've killed him twice over
rich apex
Probably, yes
lean yew
I could see us getting the zone in 8.1
the raid unlocking 8.1.5 after we do some questing storylines
terse patrol
I already theorized that Blizzard is hiding that G’Huun is basically just a vessel for Hakkar’s true return.
But who knows
meager warren
which character in WoW have we killed the most?
lean yew
SO tying this back to allied races
the alliance allied race after kul'tirans could be there
OR maybe the horde get vulpera and alli get shit for that patch
and the patch after alli get one
who knows
meager warren
"patch after alli get one"
what if horde gets another one that patch
lean yew
I highly doubt that
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I dont think full old gods will be 8.1, obviously azshara's raid is there but im hoping the content there is more like landfall
lean yew
do you want to see a shit show, that breaks all the shit shows taliesen and evitel have ever looked at?
It would be a shitaclysm
meager warren
you underestimate the unreasonable nature of Blizz.
lean yew
a cataclysmic amount of shit exploding from the forums
terse patrol
Horde get all raids in BFA. Ending of BFA ends with Horde taking Stormwind.
lean yew
like
they could not shoot themselves in the foot anymore than that
also it'd cut their profit
terse patrol
i mean, question
lean yew
it would mean only ONE faction is buying race changes
and thats just, bad for quarterly reports
meager warren
they hate alliance anyway so that's probably a good thing in their opinion
terse patrol
Are the Alliance getting some sort of equivalent where we fuck over the Horde?
Because
meager warren
even though they created alliance
terse patrol
They kinda burn Stormwind.
lean yew
lore inequivalencies are fine
because they dont cost blizz money
allied race in equivalencies, now those cost blizz $$
they can fuck over the alli in lore all they want
it doesn't lose them money, people just QQ
but losing race changes, well that's just a loss of profit
meager warren
they can, but
uncut vault
dont you know? us getting thrown in jail like the scum we are is totally equivalent to raiding and burning the enemy capitol
terse patrol
Stormwind is the most abused city. Got destroyed once. Lost the park. Then it gets burnt.
meager warren
people will complain and unsubscribe for much less than blizz favoring horde in lore
lean yew
anyway
i dont see the whole fire thing as a big deal
jaina puts it out
lol
no permanent damage, who cares
terse patrol
its still another horde fist pump moment
lean yew
is it really?
they're about to get killed by jaina
if that troll didn't leave some fire there
they'd all be dead
meager warren
it's a big deal because "Horde burned my world-tree and seiged Stormwind for the umpteenth time and what do we do"
terse patrol
It’s directly followed up by the Alliance fleet getting blown up by Zandalari cannons.
And Rezan.
lean yew
Yes but lets think about this
sylvannas is getting pretty garroshed so far
they're going to lose sylvannas in some way, wether she steps down as warchief or whatever
meager warren
you're saying her personality is different from Garrosh?
lean yew
No I am saying her fate will prob be the same
EVERYTHING she has ever done has been for her
meager warren
i thought they were both flat villains
terse patrol
nah
terse patrol
Blizzard will NOT kill Sylvanas. Note: Sylvanas is Warcraft’s Kerrigan.
She will not die.
lean yew
she doesn't have to die
but I doubt she'll be warchief forever
not with christie golden at the head of the lore
meager warren
they're not gonna kill her because asian wow-players generally like the hot female head-character
lean yew
you underestimate her ability to screw sylvannas over lol
meager warren
and Christie Golden, being an alliance enthusiast in charge of Sylvanas doesn't make me feel any better
terse patrol
Sylvanas is one of the few Horde females.
lean yew
once again
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She’ll remain prominent.
lean yew
she doesn't have to get killed
for it to be a loss
if she's no longer warchief thats a win for alliance
meager warren
but she can get killed in every other way but physically
lean yew
and a huge blow against all the sylv fanboys
terse patrol
Christie Golden NEEDS to be an Alliance enthusiast, because the rest of the writing staff are Hordies.
meager warren
yes
lean yew
AND JAINA WILL BE WRITTEN IN SOME OTHER WAY THAN "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR FEMALE PMS TIME RAWR"
If you read -any- of her books, jaina is not "RAWR PMS JAINA RAWR"
terse patrol
Christie Golden is setting her up to be “o no i was manipulated by the old gods all along im so sorry”
lean yew
but in game, shes ALWAYS "RAWR PMS JAINA RAWR"
Im so glad whatshisface went to hearthstone
meager warren
that would be a good excuse if it weren't over-used
lean yew
he wrote all females -so- badly
meager warren
why not just say
"hey, i know i was a big dick before. I want to do my best to be better. I take full responsibility for my actions."
terse patrol
Completely demonizing Sylvanas would anger Horde players who have to protect their titty zombie goddess.
meager warren
instead of writing her stupidity off as corruption
lean yew
I hate sylvannas
meager warren
anyone with common sense hates her
terse patrol
I mean, I want her to die, but the Horde is void of strong female leads.
meager warren
she ain't strong
terse patrol
I mean, they have Thalysra now I guess.
meager warren
she's fucking psychotic
terse patrol
👑
meager warren
is there a trade King? :thonk:
lean yew
it was -sooooooooooooooo- good
terse patrol
Gallywix is 100% going to be killed.
meager warren
what if they kill sylvanas
terse patrol
Because Blizz knows they need to fill out the Horde’s female positions.
meager warren
by murdering every other horde leader
and showing her that she can't save everyone
uncut vault
"horde is void of strong female leads" BfA kinda only introduces female leaders
talanji, thalyssra, mayla, geyarah
terse patrol
Boss Mida’s introduction would likely be the reason for introducing the new Goblin models.
lean yew
Liadrin rised up
meager warren
which race is talanji and geyarah?
terse patrol
Talanji is Zandalari.
uncut vault
geyarah is the maghar leader on azeroth, talanji is becoming zandalari leader
terse patrol
Geyarah is Frostwolf Mag’har
meager warren
i love it less now
meager warren
they should introduce someone who's just as badass and likable as Thrall but who's a lot different in enough ways to be her own character
not a thrall rip-off
lean yew
When are we going to get the artifact good bye cinematic where they get corrupted
terse patrol
I dont think shes a shaman
lean yew
shouldn't we have had that already?
terse patrol
Might be wrong
lean yew
when is that
terse patrol
Blizzard is likely going to dump that in with the Teldrassil/Lordaeron patch.
lean yew
oh
meager warren
idk
terse patrol
(Yes, theyre releasing both of those at the same time)
Just wish they’d finish them up
lean yew
are we sure they're releasing teldrassil and lordaeron at the same time?
lean yew
I thought we'd get teldrassil then a few weeks later lordaeron
oh
cool
Well I'
I'd like to corrupt my artifact
to see what it does lol
prob nothing but still
terse patrol
It’s the prepatch content
meager warren
i think, when our artifacts get corrupted, their power is drained
i may be forgetting some crucial detail in the cinematic tho
meager warren
Knaifu
terse patrol
Imagine draining Sargeras’ sword with a fishing rod.
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And I think we might lose Xal’atath, but not by it breaking.
I think she’ll disappear.
meager warren
is this fishing rod the dank angler fish skeleton one
terse patrol
But who knows?
terse patrol
Blizz said we’d be able to transmog out BFA weapons to look like our artifacts, and that the three artifacts that talk will still talk.
terse patrol
So, we might end up with new BFA Xal’atath lines.
meager warren
hype
terse patrol
Because they’d probably be spoilery.
lean yew
7.3 had a lot of cinematics too
now that I think about it
I wonder if 8.3 will get as many
terse patrol
The prepatch will have more
terse patrol
Likely a couple for Teldrassil, and a couple for Lordaeron.
lean yew
then again my main is a vdh so im totally bias
uncut vault
they definitely changed their plans for the draining of the sword, was supposed to happen like, a month ago, and have our artifacts go unstable over months
lean yew
yeah ^
terse patrol
Screen from the I think the Lordaeron cinematic
lean yew
Where in the world did you get that
uncut vault
was shown in the xpac release date reveal vid
lean yew
the throne room
terse patrol
From a trailer on the WoW youtube
lean yew
ah
uncut vault
likely two separate cinematics mind you
lean yew
Well jaina didn't arrive until later
uncut vault
based on the boat, the anduin shot is from the plague situation out front, and the sylvanas shot is the final confrontation
terse patrol
The second is from the end
lean yew
that makes sense
terse patrol
We will likely get Teldrassil cinematics too
uncut vault
cause jainas boat is there after the plague cinematic
uncut vault
ehh, I dont think we'll get cinematics. They'll probably show the lords of war style short
terse patrol
Maybe
lean yew
Oh they said we're getting that for teldrassil didnt they.
meager warren
it takes two to fight a war, buddy.
lean yew
I think they said we're getting something like that for teldrassil
uncut vault
We are
terse patrol
i want my god damn new content already
lean yew
The point anduin is making isn't that they're not fighting it, but that only one wanted it
They had to fight it
lean yew
If a foreign country came and nuked texas
and it was gone
and us became 49 states
do you think we'd not retaliate?
We wouldn't WANT the war
lean yew
but we'd have to respond
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meager warren
irl war/ politics is stupid af.
warcraft war/ politics doesn't have to be
lean yew
no you really can't unless you want to go extinct
because alliance would go extinct
when the horde destroy everything
uncut vault
I mean we still dont know if the alliance fucks up on accident in the book
meager warren
or the alliance could fight back in the war that would actually bring about the end of the war
lean yew
the horde wouldn't stop at teldrassil, if we didn't retaliate they'd go for ironforge next
uncut vault
cause if they dont, the whole war is just nonsensical
meager warren
by sitting down and fucking talking to the horde
meager warren
hmm?
lean yew
so alliance should sit down and talk
meager warren
no, i play both
uncut vault
theyre kinda hinting at some people in the alliance doing stuff against Anduin's wishes
lean yew
my eyes just rolled into another universe
another time and space
at the idea that after the horde destroy teldrassil we should sit and talk
meager warren
way to be condescending
uncut vault
same with Sylvanas
lean yew
This is "World of WARCraft"
Not "World of Horde does what they want but only gets a sturn talking to"
meager warren
Warcraft would have a shit-ton of war without the cringy and frankly, tired alliance/ horde scheme
lean yew
Which, is exactly what mop was
terse patrol
coughShawcough
meager warren
my eyes are rolling into another universe that you could possibly forget every. single. enemy and antagonist we fought aside from each other.
just... wow
lean yew
having it being alliance vs. horde is what the base game comes down to
lean yew
That makes no sense
terse patrol
people forget
lean yew
and is an awful use of eyes rolling into another universe
terse patrol
That Warcraft 3 wasnt even about Horde vs Alliance
lean yew
don't steal my shit if you're not gonna use it correctly
meager warren
oh right because yours was any better?
lean yew
Mine was
meager warren
yours didn't even make sense
lean yew
you suggested that the alliance talk AFTER the horde BLEW UP A CITY
the time for talk is BEFORE
meager warren
just like your assertion that they can't talk peace
lean yew
In the book
its clear anduin tries that
from what we know so far
but sylv just decides "AND I SET FIREEEEEEEEEEEEE TO THE TREE"
meager warren
Anduin disallowed the Nightborne from the Alliance.
Or she let Thalyssra do that
meager warren
for some shit that happened 10k years ago.
talk about a grudge
terse patrol
This is what I guess is going to happen: Sylvanas wants to have a “peace summit” somewhere in Kalimdor, with the purpose of getting all the Alliance leaders in Teldrassil. So she launches her war, in the hopes of killing off the Alliance leadership before they can properly act. The attack fails in that mission.
New world war begins.
meager warren
the alliance should just team up with saurfang and assassinate sylvanas
lean yew
This is what we call Equivocation, you can't actually win this argument so you're going and talking about anduin and nightborne
meager warren
or at least take her out of the picture
i'm going and talking about anduin and nightborne because anduin let it happen
lean yew
The idea that after the horde burns teldrassil, alliance should just sit down and talk is literally, just awful.
meager warren
if he truly wanted peace
lean yew
That idea is terrible
meager warren
he wouldn't bar the nightborne
meager warren
no
lean yew
Going and making them join alliance would be the opposite of achieving peace
meager warren
he's supposed to let the nightborne choose
terse patrol
Sylvanas makes it clear she wants to wipe out the Alliance. Pure genocide. Nathanos says that’s her plan, to turn them all Forsaken.
meager warren
what a revelation
plush umbra
weren't the Void elves kicked out of the horde?
meager warren
no, they kicked themselves out
meager warren
you can by defecting
lean yew
It's super clear
terse patrol
They didnt kick themselves out. They studied void magic, so Lor’themar kicked them out.
meager warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
meager warren
no
lean yew
but his arguments are just straight up horde defenses
meager warren
i prefer neutral sides
lean yew
without logic
uncut vault
you know im warming up the the "shaw isnt what he seems" theory
not particularily dreadlord but
plush umbra
now that Void elves are a thing I have no reason to play horde now lol
uncut vault
him being the person influencing anduin makes sense
meager warren
i hate the horde and alliance as much as the next person.
probably even more.
i hate them both
plush umbra
jesus
uncut vault
all im saying is, theres a very convenient war table for the intro to kul tiras
ruby prawn
We need more
terse patrol
I kinda think Mathias Shaw was likely turned by Archbishop Benedictus.
lean yew
He hasn't had anduin do anything awful or misled him, at least yet
People love a good conspiracy theory though
terse patrol
“The Boy King sits at the Masters table. Three lies will he offer you.”
Master Mathias Shaw.
Literally his title.
terse patrol
Plus, the fact he’s paired off thematically with Gallywix, in the cinematic.
ruby prawn
He sits at "the Masters table" in the cinematic where Sylvanas is introduced to Azerite
And boy may not represent age
terse patrol
Is Baine saying three lies?
terse patrol
Is Sylvanas a he?
ruby prawn
Is Azeroth flat?
terse patrol
Your argument is silly.
ruby prawn
Maybe that's the reason we haven't seen the other side yet
terse patrol
@uncut vault back me up
ruby prawn
Porter knows my ideas already and Vris
hollow dock
Vol 3 does state that Kalmindor was Azaeroths only land mass..
ruby prawn
Even I forgot them
uncut vault
They have Anduin, who’s repeatedly called the boy king, sitting at a table with Master Mathias Shaw, who is urging Anduin to war
tropic trail
Didn't we just have shaw replaced by a dreadlord?
ruby prawn
But he doesn't start a war yet, thus he still has free will
tropic trail
that's a lot of SI:7 corruption in just 2 expansions
terse patrol
@tropic trail He wasn’t killed. You guys forget that Dreadlords always kill those they replace, except this ONE TIME.
idk why people don’t get this.
terse patrol
If he’s not a dreadlord, he was obviously kept alive for a purpose. And I think they knew he would be a future asset in destabilizing Azeroth politically.
uncut vault
Looking for Mathias lying makes it a lot easier to find where he might have lied
most notably "We dont know" for azerite
pushing anduin to send forces to silithus
terse patrol
^
hollow dock
I mean. Shaw didn't know when he brought us Azerite
ruby prawn
I think Anduin is getting corrupted by the Azerite
hollow dock
Magni wasn't on scene until we were already there
terse patrol
Clearly Gallywix knew.
hollow dock
Gallywix knew it was a new power ore
terse patrol
And I think Shaw and Gallywix are in on it.
hollow dock
that's it. He didn't know what it exactly was
terse patrol
Stormwind is notorious for corruption. Onyxia, then Benedictus. Assassin demons tried killing Anduin. Then dreadlords.
ruby prawn
At last, Blizzard can make the Alliance the "bad guys" by starting the war and after that they picture Sylvanas as the "bad guy"
terse patrol
You guys act like this is new shit.
hollow dock
Benedictus didn't actually corrupt anything in Stormwind though
tropic trail
alliance still didn't start the war tho, horde burned the tree first
terse patrol
He turned a big chunk of the clergy to the Twilight Cult.
ruby prawn
Alliance started by killing civilians/miners in Silithus
hollow dock
there was only miners and goblin mechs in Silithus.
ruby prawn
Miners aren't fighters tho
tropic trail
yes because it was totally ethical and right to start harvesting some unknown mineral next to a giant world ending ddemon sword
hollow dock
^
ruby prawn
They are just doing their job so they can keep their families alive
terse patrol
you
hollow dock
Like they have any families under gallywix
terse patrol
Clearly don’t understand goblins at all.
ruby prawn
I do, but I want to defend the Horde
And I want to picture them as the good and innocent guys
terse patrol
that much is clear.
tropic trail
The alliance was totally over aggressive in silithus, but that doesn't mean the horde were right to be there in the first place
terse patrol
Clearly goblins are all family men.
hollow dock
Horde's literally mercilessly slaughtering civilians, defiling ancient lands that should be kept sacred and pure, and doing their very best to push for war rather than peace
they're really not the ones you should try to defend
terse patrol
They’re totally not anarcho capitalist con artists.
tropic trail
have we even seen a proper married goblin couple?
ruby prawn
But silithus is in Kalimdor so it's hordes territory
tropic trail
in the starting zone you have a partner, but you're not married
hollow dock
Except that Silithus has been technically Night elf Land
terse patrol
Goblins are notorious for short marriages.
ruby prawn
The goblins are basically the dwarves from Snow White. Cute and hard-working
hollow dock
See the war of the shifting sands
hollow dock
There's just no defending the horde. 🤷
ruby prawn
We don't know much about Shaw
hollow dock
We saved him from the dreadlords. the legions gone
there's nomaster for him to serve
terse patrol
Shaw’s history is obscure, but there are suspicious bits.
hollow dock
IF he is corrupt
ruby prawn
The old gods
hollow dock
How did the old gods corrupt him off planet?...
terse patrol
I find it hard to imagine he was blind to Onyxia’s influence, or Benedictus.
ruby prawn
He is a spymaster. His secrets may have secrets
hollow dock
Considering how tunneled the vision -both- sides were
it's not hard to kinda miss that shit
hollow dock
Especially when you just dont suspect Benedictus or Ms. whateverhernamewas
Shaw is black ops
even if he's innocent
he'll be suspect
ruby prawn
I didn't see the latest dialogue
hollow dock
because he's black ops
ruby prawn
Do you have any links?
tropic trail
I kinda doubt shaws corrupted, after legion it would kinda be boring to say 'JK, I'm evil FOR REAL this time'
after getting replaced with a dreadlord
and then getting the real one back only for him to turn out to be evil as well
uncut vault
I mean, Im still convinced shaw was never the real leader
hollow dock
it also feels a bit to coincidental
uncut vault
and trias never retired
hollow dock
Indeed he does
tropic trail
so the prophecy is 'the boy king sits at the masters table, 3 lies will he offer you' right? is it the boy king offering the lies, or the master?
terse patrol
The master, probably.
hollow dock
The boy king offers us three lies from the master.
As the subject of the prophecy is the boy king
terse patrol
I can’t see Anduin doing purposefully lying like that
terse patrol
Ye
hollow dock
as Omogg does state that the first lie has already been said
terse patrol
He’s too pure.
hollow dock
and Anduin has said jack shit to us
tropic trail
I'm still hoping it's wrathion, but as far as I know there's no sign of him in legion
hollow dock
While there aren't any signs -we- see of him, I think when Ebonhorn breaks off from us in the Dungeon
it's to go deal with Wrathion
tropic trail
Deaths of chromie scenario is presumably set during BfA (since we're boosted to 112, within BfA level bracket), and wrathion doesn't seem odd at that time tho
hollow dock
The scenario does tell us that he's going around to where his father has been. So it's not to far off to think that he would have stopped by the lair.
Especially as we are clearing it out
uncut vault
I still have a sliver of hope that they took him out and are waiting for the book to drop
it makes sense that he'd back the alliance again, especially with anduin in charge
tropic trail
that was the theory back when he was there
uncut vault
I mean, the black dragons we encounter on the islands seem to be pretty good hearted, and uncorrupted
uncut vault
based on their lines yeah
hollow dock
and they're contesting us on Azerite
terse patrol
We see some Twilight dragons tho
uncut vault
concerned with keeping azeroth safe and not having us collect her blood
very different from the twilight lines which are very clearly insane and old god corrupted
terse patrol
tbh I wouldnt mind drakonids for Alliance.
uncut vault
wowhead lumped two together in their post which is how I noticed the difference
terse patrol
What would female drakonids look like lmao
uncut vault
go from "you will not harm her" to "the old gods will consume this world!"
tropic trail
would make sense that some of them discovered azeroths titan soul since it's also down there, along with the old gods
ruby prawn
I don't think we will ever see races with more than 2 legs or less
hollow dock
Dont dragons have 4 legs?
ruby prawn
They have 4
frigid umbra
Not all
uncut vault
the thicc guards at wyrmrest are bipedal
ruby prawn
Oh
terse patrol
ruby prawn
Thought they all had 4
ruby prawn
But I hope they will add only humanoid races
terse patrol
The old lore suggested Drakonids are Dragonsworn who became more dragon than human.
ruby prawn
I hope they don't add sethrak either
hollow dock
Sethrak are humanoid races tho.
ruby prawn
But reptilish
hollow dock
It's a bit of both Honk
ruby prawn
They are humanoid lizards. They don't fit in with the horde or alliance
hollow dock
Nefarion found ways to mutate dragons into dragonspawn as well as humans while those that say served the Reds or Greens became so willingly.
ruby prawn
I think atm Blizzard wants to replace the old races with these better ones
hollow dock
Despite blizzard stating that "The allied races shouldn't be outshining the old ones"?....
ruby prawn
Orcs -> mag'har orcs
Trolls -> Zandalari
Dwarves -> dark iron
And so on
terse patrol
but ye. Would be interesting if the new Black Dragonflight joined the Alliance, but I could see some crying happening from that.
hollow dock
hence why theyre doing things like Golden eyes for blood elves?
ruby prawn
The new races have better racials and better looks
hollow dock
I would not say that the racials for any of the allied races are better than the old ones
Flat haste/AP boosts on orcs and trolls vs Zandalari and Mag'har
ruby prawn
The dark iron dwarves have very powerful racials
hollow dock
for soloing content yea
terse patrol
^
hollow dock
but normal drwaves have a physical damage DR
ruby prawn
And void elves have more fun racials
hollow dock
10% is a lot of damage
ruby prawn
But still, the new races have better looks. I hope they will add more customization to old races as well
hollow dock
the only ways I can say the allied races do surpass the old ones is by looks
and that's it
ruby prawn
Golden eyes don't really cut it
hollow dock
and blizzard has stated that they have plans to make sure that the old races arent outshined by allied ones
as the allied races shouldn't outshine the old ones
IMO getting something that should have been in the game since BC
is a pretty big step in the right direction
ruby prawn
But I still think the allied races have a few racials that are more fun
Especially the void elves
hollow dock
For soloing content, yes this is true
terse patrol
terse patrol
i want a genn allied race
ruby prawn
Lol
terse patrol
mfw i’ll never be as handsome as genn
terse patrol
lmao
hollow dock
Oh yea
ruby prawn
mfw when I try to look like Shaw, but get a pedo-stache instead
hollow dock
beta has no saved names
ruby prawn
I still don't have beta access ;-;
uncut vault
so, plot twist on the sethrak
the models we've seen are almost all women
the ones with open chested armor are women, the ones with their chests covered are men
uncut vault
VA got added
uncut vault
only the women and vorrik have voice acting, all the open chested ones have the new female pokes, all the covered chested have nothing, and vorrik, who has a covered chest, has a deep voice
scratch that: a few of the enemy men have combat sounds
terse patrol
Was made an actual character
In BFA
Archmage Tamuura
Frostfencer Seraphi is gr8 tho
daring wind
He's an elf, what do you expect? xD
uncut vault
I swear this dude is going to get as bad as aethas
uncut vault
seraphi is great, especially considering hes the epitome of gay high elf, and I love it
terse patrol
Horde ~savages~
near cosmos
Quoth Jezza, right before he cocks it up 😂
The grand tour season 3 when 😦
willow frost
what opinions do you guys/girls have on resto druid ?
frigid umbra
It heals... 👌 😂
willow frost
That's a fact 👏
ruby star
@uncut vault Wrathion defo needs to be added back in once book launches
Will Wraithion be readded though?
ruby prawn
Resto druid on the beta?
I didn't hear of any changes to it. I would tell you if I had access
REEE
tranquil steeple
REEEEEEEE
willow frost
I have access just never played them before.
frigid umbra
you have access to beta too?!?!? reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..................... i dont... sad panda 😦
hollow dock
it's really not that great.
strange falcon
i know,i've been a beta tester for other games
frigid umbra
still would be cool to test and see whats what
tulip sun
@uncut vault What quest involves Umbric?
mortal pewter
i don't have beta access i don't think..
ruby prawn
I have a crazy idea: what if the lie told by the "boy king" was told long ago, like in a different expansion
Could it?
strange falcon
@tulip sun i'm pretty sure umbric is the first guy you get as a follower for the bfa mission table
just like you get arcanist valtrois on horde
tulip sun
At least umbric, to give him a bit of lore or something
spiral silo
wild pewter
Any idea when a new build might be out?
wild pewter
Thanks 😄
uncut vault
He does nothing
Umbric
He isn’t involved in the Voldun quests, then complains that it’s hot and is magically your follower
terse patrol
gey
highmountains and thalysra used
blizz cant bother to use umbric and fareeya
reeee
strange falcon
@uncut vault nathanos tells you to follow garona in the back of the boat,magically valtrois is your follower
dim flower
lol
I was trying to solo elites in Freehold and after I left the arena that popped inside, I spawned next to some elites in Nazmir
zinc sandal
I bet it'll be a blast
rich apex
The parrot
dense plover
I mean, this is similar to the BC bombing run
But it gives an actual reward
And isn’t shit probably
rich apex
Soon (TM)
slate ingot
gear seems to be time gated 11/14/17 for normal 5 man 14/17/20 for heroic and mythic isnt even NYI
and with azerite being all over the board to get atm
surreal hull
can somebody send me download for beta elvuii download?
dense plover
Tomorrow is usually build day
They don’t do Monday builds because no one worked on the weekends
@surreal hull check the elvui page or go to their discord, we don’t have it, why would we?
It isn’t timegated
It all comes from world quests
Which aren’t really a thing yet
So the main source of azerite is missing
Which makes it seem like a big grind
People also keep forgetting that raid won’t be available on launch same with any mythic + since they come with first raid wing
Along with that, you don’t use up your artifact power when buying traits
So once your neck is 17, it stays there
dense plover
Not much
Bugfixes
World quests probably
Which will be the main azerite source
Hopefully a fix for being unable to complete voldun
It’s a bad bug that makes testing the zuldazar finale impossible
Hopefully the alpaca model
Maybe more music (probably not)
More minimap changes are likely
dense plover
Maybe some more unique snakeman models
Maybe some more unique naga models
That’s what I would like
Probably not going to happen
ruby star
Yea
ruby star
I actually hope I don't get beta anymore
Launch is so close anyway so might as well wait and enjoy the sun
I just can't wait to get that launch day feeling again
@dense plover when BFA/Warfronts launch which faction will start with the warfront? 🤔
meager warren
Drorith, can you attempt to fit all your messages into one text box pls. you have 2k units of text to fill in all your boxes.
ruby star
@meager warren I could if i wanted to 🤔
ruby star
Alright
dense plover
It will probably start as horde
But we don’t know
They haven’t done any tests since the first one
ruby star
Ah yeah thats true, kinda annyoing if it starts as horde, for Alliance players, Maybe it will be differnt for US and EU
So whenevr US is horde, EU will be alliance
tulip sun
It makes sense lorewise for it to start Horde
The alliance would be able to do WQs and such while the horde attack
Quests world bosses
pallid carbon
🐮
cinder osprey
also do we have unlock reqs for the other allied races yet?
are you from nz
wtf why are you trying to trick people 😭
maybe i am
i'm from australia
pallid carbon
oo how is winter going ?? 😛
pallid carbon
15 dergees is warm you know XD
cinder osprey
good thing it's not 15 then https://gyazo.com/e7065f0df321de6a45f23eef723ea0ef
pallid carbon
oo 13 ..just enough to run in a thin sweather XD
quick quail
hollow dock
try humid 98.
tranquil steeple
i'll try 8 just fine; where are my shorts?
dim flower
G
zinc sandal
That’s disturbing
hollow dock
It's oddly....satisfying
slate ingot
ye tablet is from Kings Rest, didnt know who that troll was or that they were in uldum
uncut vault
when lei shen wanted the forge of origination, he invited Zulathra and his priests along to witness lei shens ascendance and grant them all eternal life
tolvir activated the forge and turned uldum into the desert it is now, thats how lei shen died
slate ingot
ahhh
Kings rest is filled with neat troll bits of lore like that then
kind of cool
dense plover
Well yeah
Kings rest is where each troll king was buried
So there’s every zandalari king throughout history
That’s more than 10k years of zandalari kings
Bound to be cool lore bits as well as silly goofs
slate ingot
Yeah there's some plaques as well for the dead trolls
dense plover
I mean
8.1 is likely going to focus on the players resurrecting rezan or figuring out a way to get the zandalari prelates back to the light
But also only Dazar is being rezzed because Zul is insane
uncut vault
I mean between talanji and some prelates still having their light, rezan being a wild god, torga straight up rezzing in the same zone he died in, and uldir being a facility that experimented on resurrecting dead loa
SOMETHING has to happen with rezan
tulip sun
Maybe all dead loa? ❤
We can hope
Dazar we don't kill though, right?
😮
Maybe he becomes a recurring character if so
dense plover
No we don’t
dense plover
Like a cool zandalari dude
tulip sun
Link if possible? xD
I totally want this dude to become a great horde fighter and stuff
dense plover
I don’t have any link at the moment
I’m sure you can find it on wowhead if you look
dense plover
Don’t think these have been shared
tulip sun
What hasn't?
tulip sun
It would be a waste to let him rot in a tomb, he could tech us so much about the old worl
d
dense plover
What is there to teach?
His history is well recorded via the tomb and books and stuff technically
We as players don’t know it yeah
sudden oak
ancient and forgotten zandalari secrets
dense plover
But that doesn’t mean it isn’t known
Zandalari aren’t known for ancient forgotten stuff
They’re the remnants of an empire that has all but collapsed
tulip sun
But why wouldn't the creator of the Zandalari empire want to see what is happening?
And aid his descendents
dense plover
Pretty sure he wants to be dead