and it was before the drought of content that lasted nearly 2 years. So yes. It did drop below 5 mil.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
wild pewter
It really didn't, but hey ho.
rigid furnace
I do feel it is a bit of a strawman's argument. People are drawn to create more as more class/race combos come out. If we ever hit 10 Allied Races total, that's 20 + 12 IF no new classes come out in that time. I'm not saying everyone would play every character if the cap were increased. That'd be absurd.
But people create characters for different purposes.
hollow dock
yea and those purposes are mostly fufilled or satisfied in which, there's no reason to keep that character around. Which is Ion's point
dense plover
its not like a character takes much data
restive sage
is the shaman gonna be gud in bfa
dense plover
it would barely affect anything for them to increase the amount of character slots by 50%
restive sage
c:
hollow dock
You'll have to find a shaman player and find out
restive sage
r u one
hollow dock
it's beta so nothing is concrete nor even done for development
meager warren
^
hollow dock
Asking the state of it now to say. Two weeks from now, changes the answer.
Best bet is to ask the week before the expacs release.
strange falcon
i havent tested shaman in beta yet,but elemental feels clunky for aoe,because earthquake isnt instant cast anymore
rigid furnace
The primary reason I had so many characters on my main servers was so I could be self-reliant for professions since guilds I've been in have pretty hands off and I like to contribute where I can for others if I can.
strange falcon
you dont need all classes on both factions to be self reliant
hollow dock
and that's fine. but that takes up what. 4-5 characters to cover every single profession?
2-3 that have the gathering profs on them and then the rest have the production stuff
rigid furnace
I like understanding each class though, I know I could be fine with less total if it were an even split of characters for Alliance & Horde.. What about finding a Race/Class combo that feels or looks good? I don't have the coin to willynilly change character races on a whim.
If I make something I want it to have a purpose, and I want it to flow in design and effectiveness for what it is.
At the end of the day, A Paladin is a Paladin. But people have the option to like how a different race works with a design more than others, maybe it's the racial effects that draw them in, or the stature of their character. They have that right.
hollow dock
yea they do.
But the question still serves: Are they still consistently playing it to the point that they just utterly cannot delete it for space? Are they doing this for all 20 something characters past their 'mains' which would be the first 20?
rigid furnace
I think that is determined by the person. But as Ion said, it is definitely not a high % of the playerbase.
hollow dock
Realistically speaking, it just doesn't seem like a need. Maybe when we hit 50 characters on 1 realm, yea OK we'll increase that cap.
but I dont think that'll happen for a while.
rigid furnace
Definitely won't happen for some time, I wholeheartedly agree there.
I'm not against deleting things either. As time passed and people stopped playing altogether I've gotten rid of things. A fair chunk of outposts are characters created to play with another person or for a set reason set in mind. (Like Rare hunting on at least 2)
I freely admit I can prune a considerable chunk of anything not 100+. And I likely will.
And the cap won't be an issue for a considerable bit longer when I do so.
I'm not demanding the cap be raised, just hopeful down the road at some point it will be.
Even if I don't personally get anything out of there being a cap raised.
hollow dock
Oh it 100% will down the line. But that's no where near us right now
meager warren
i haven't even filled all my slots on one account/ realm and i hope we get a cap raised too at some point
dense plover
apparently half the sethrakk we fight are female
and they just are visually indistinct gender-wise
hollow dock
Yay another Androgynous race
dense plover
tortollan and sethrakk
strange falcon
well,making snakes different gender wise,aka females having boobs like argonians
is a big anatomical mistake
so i appreciate them doing that,however,the females will wear gear the same way other females do,which is the reason why the sethraliss model
has boob plates
dense plover
nope
not all of them
some wear the platesa
some look the exact same as the males
but have a different name and voice
hollow dock
So we got a race that has snitties and androgyny. That's pretty cool.
dense plover
and for tortollan
it seems like they are unable to differentiate gender
they refer to the player as sir and or madam in the voice lines
so since they live a long time
and dont differentiate visually through gender
they dont have experience doing it for other races
so they dont bother
strange falcon
you forgot to mention there are many pauses when they say it
like
"hello.....sir and or.....ma'am"
dense plover
and its further making it clear that they really cant tell gender
no
not that slow
just leisurely
Platinum Ore looks cool
hollow dock
It's taken us 14 years to finally get to Platinum
is there a reason other than the expac that it's stronger than other ores?
strange falcon
gameplay reasons
remember that professions is getting split
so it's no longer "the best" ore
hollow dock
was worth a shot to ask other than Gameplay
dense plover
New thing when you add a new pet to your journal
hollow dock
I mean. In terms of lore reason is what I was talking about
dense plover
no clue
theyve removed a lot of profession quests
at least early on
pretty sure they exist later
hollow dock
so wait. A random little girl finds you everytime you catch a pet?
dense plover
no
the little popup
it has a new little decorative box when you add a pet to your journal
hollow dock
that's on live
dense plover
its different on live
hollow dock
that also happens with mounts
dense plover
its the standard box
this one has little pet details and is wooden
essentially they added a unique variation when you add a pet
its not a big thing
but its a nice detail
hollow dock
Maybe I just learn to many pets then?...because on live it's a little wooden box when I get a new pet from the AH.
and yea I can see the little beast mark now
dense plover
it is definitely a different box
its the same box tech wise
but the art is new
promise
dense plover
huh
weird
i wonder if i have an addon changing mine
woops
also
just learned there are at least 3 ores on zandalar
probably 4
so that each continent shares ores
but thats a lot of ores
heavy cairn
does that count include the "uncommon" ore(s)?
dense plover
maybe?
ive only seen these 3
and im not sure if its zone based or not
since the third one is storm silver
heavy cairn
these 3?
heavy cairn
that's why I said "uncommon" for the center one
not rare, but not as common, I assume, based off of the green name
heavy cairn
if I had to guess, each continent has different ore probabilities
with zandalar favoring monelite, and kul tiras favoring storm silver
but IDK
dense plover
that might be why ive only seen storm silver in voldun
since thats where the lightning snakes are
heavy cairn
interesting.
dense plover
to be clear
these are only ones i see visually
i dont have mining
so they could be evenly distributed
and just hidden more in zuldazar
hollow dock
Ive found that ores do like to spawn in cliff edges or near them. So that may be where they are in Zuldazar
dense plover
also, it seems like more than one type of herb can spawn in each zone
theres two different ones in voldun
although it seems like one type is usually zone exclusive
and then the other might appear in another zone
ruby star
Hey Peach what's your opioioin on BFA beta so far?
dense plover
good
zones are gorgeous
very big
open
runs kind of meh
but thats mostly beta issues
quests in zandalar are mostly good
the occassional awful quest just like every expansion
Enhancement shaman is fun
do you want to know anything specific?
and goddamn
voice acting is fantastic
all quest npcs either have VO or will
hollow dock
even secondary quests?
ruby star
Oooooo nice! 😄 and no I just wanted to know your Opioion cause it will make me more hyped 😛
dense plover
even secondary quests
some of them still need it
but theres pieces
so its clear they arent done
ruby star
but sounds amazing from what've you've said 😄 and streams I've watched
dense plover
horde side seems solid
havent tried alliance side
islands
ive run ataldazar
its okay
music was broken and rezan was broken so it was a little disappointing
it will be more fun on live
hopefully they cut back on the trash a little
it just feels like fodder at times
they have a miniboss in the middle and that was fun
but the trash is mostly meh
rich apex
Alliance questing is good
Like Blizz ain't reinventing the wheel here
It's the same overall design of the last two expansions
hollow dock
Is it m ore like draenor? With linear progression or all over the place progression?
rich apex
Uh
Like it's linear with the main storyline for a zone
With various branches of smaller quest chains
hollow dock
So legion then
dense plover
very much so
hollow dock
bleh
dense plover
but bigger zones
bit more choice in how you go about things
everything doesnt feel like its on top of itself
it feels like legion mixed with the good parts of wrath
hollow dock
So. Does it still feel disjointed finishing in one area going to the next like Legion does or is it better streamlined? One of the things I liked about Dreanor that Legion did not have is that it felt like, "Alright congratz commander on finishing here, but you're needed over here. Meet up with Maraad/Durotan(orwhoeverthehordeequivalentwas)
rich apex
The main storyline flows well
dense plover
^
you get to choose
but you end each line by returning to the area where you choose
rich apex
There's side chains that are kind of random if you divert to do them first, but such is side chains
dense plover
so its like a big circle for each zone if you only follow the main story
near cosmos
Im pretty excited about the voice acting tbh, it livens up the place, especially when you recognise people
dense plover
and its actually kind of impressive for zandalar
each troll quest npc sounds distinct
near cosmos
either that's an impressive range or they've gone full trade
dense plover
it seems like they hired a lot more actors
though my guess is they do reuse across zones and continents
strange falcon
the best thing is when you recognize a character just from the voice without seeing him/her
👍
near cosmos
I also like when you DON'T recognise them and then later you get that WHOREY SHIT IT WAS THEM ALL ALONG!?
like I had no idea Dadghar and Odyn was voiced by the same guy 😂
such an enjoyable experience hearing him for the first time in WoD, since I already knew him from SG:1
hollow dock
I honestly enjoy hearing familiar voices. Like hearing Jim Cummings all over the place.
tender oyster
that's awesome
hollow dock
I hear Khadgar in Odyn o=
near cosmos
I don't need to know whether jim is cummings all over the place m8
but yeah he was Bra'tac
I still hear "HAMMOND OF TEXAS" in my head all the time
hollow dock
I love Cummings all over the place =P
dense plover
okay, voldun troll ruins are cool
you can recognize broken versions of the different structures youve seen in zuldazar
i mean, they look older and slightly different
but clearly a version of the same structure
which is genius design
uncut vault
yeah they did a good job of making everything looks similar yet different, part of the same culture but different environment
sanded over, abandoned ruins in voldun, washed out infested ruins in nazmir, maintained structures in zuldazar
dense plover
its very cool
near cosmos
get out of here mrpeach you're not allowed to be positive, if you're not shitting on the TURRBILE WRITING and FORCED EXPACK then we dont take kindly to your kind round here
wild pewter
^^^
rich apex
^
strange falcon
lul
near cosmos
the sentence for Unlawful Positivity is 1 (one) high elf topic resurrection
rich apex
please no
sharp bluff
so any murlocs?
near cosmos
you know its bad when I cant tell if you're asking whether there's murloc areas in the beta or you're one of those "murlocs as allied race" anarchists
😂
rich apex
sharp bluff
Er I want to say both
but I meant the first part
I would pay to have a murloc allied race though in all honesty
allaince wants snakes, helfs, and idk mecha gnomes or something? fine, give the horde murlocs
Seems fair to me XD
Imagine being killed by a murloc rogue, the salt would be even worse then a panda rogue
rich apex
Alliance will get vulpera
Horde will get vampire elves
If nobody wins, everybody wins
sharp bluff
Murlocs are a win to me lol
I see those little foxs as sidekicks to batman now anyways
since I found out who the VA is lol
I doubt we will see the Vampire elfs be a race, no way to make new ones atm
Maybe
MAYBE
in wotLK 2
but not for BFA is my bet
hollow dock
I mean. We explained why its so forced and that is bad writing
rich apex
I am 100% shitposting in regards to vampire elves
In response to the fact that Sylvanas -did- apparently recruit one as of the last bit of datamined text
steel venture
San'layn could be created, but expect it to be similar to dark elves. New elite forces that Sylvanas keeps VERY close to her chest and doesn't want to mingle with the public.
rich apex
I am very much not expecting playable san'lyn
It's just a great meme to think of every Horde purist crying about it
Vampire elves being the one thing worse than fox people
hollow dock
So then how does three 4s make a 12?
terse patrol
Col. Tenders will destroy the Horde. @hollow dock
dense plover
it ddoesnt
it was a mistake
3 4s will probably make a 10
or maybe a 9 idk what the increase per level is
hollow dock
yea that sounds a bit more reasonable.
ruby star
I support playable san'lyn, as it increases chances for High Elves I believe but who knows 😄 we could all be taking this datamined text out of proportion
uncut vault
I mean, if its anything like the vulpera, its really obvious setting up to be an ally writing
unique, serving under the horde, wanting to prove themselves
sudden oak
also maybe they can create more san'layn like normal vamp do
sharp bluff
honestly I doubt it, if the San'layn become playable, Sylvanis would need to be Warchief for another xpac, and while I love her as warchief, i just don't see that happening
Blizz likes to a make the horde switch warchiefs as often as possible
tulip sun
I see sylvanas lasting
sudden oak
Sylvanas doesnt need to be warchief for the san'layn to join tho
as long as the next warchief doesnt expulse them from the horde they can stay
near cosmos
would be weird for a new warchief to drain the swamp like that
sudden oak
and to expulse a race from the horde you need to hate them a lot
or them being traitors
near cosmos
I mean if the forsaken didnt get kicked out after wrathgate then what the fuck does it take
never 5get
hollow dock
inb4 it's Sanlayn and High elves
terse patrol
I think it’ll be San’layn and maybe Junker Gnomes
Unless they do the unheard of thing, and do Vulpera for Alliance.
I can imagine the “reeeee” on the Horde side.
terse patrol
There’s an island in the beta called Junker Gnome island apparently
hollow dock
but theres no information on it
So that makes a whole new race of gnomes never before seen? O.o
sharp bluff
Cyborg gnomes lol
hollow dock
The only cybernetics I know we have seen is with the Mo'arg and technically the orcs.
sharp bluff
if they go off other blizz games, junkers are Australia, so a bunch of gnomes shouting odd things lol
terse patrol
sharp bluff
Australian accented gnomes lol
hollow dock
8.0 Islands - Junker Gnome Caverns - Prototype
terse patrol
Yeah, my guess would be Australian gnomes.
hollow dock
this is apart of the island expedition
terse patrol
All I want
near cosmos
I swear nerds spend more time mining this game for dataz than people spend mining bitcoin 😂
terse patrol
Is a Junkrat gnome Alliance leader.
hollow dock
8.0 Islands - Necromancy Island - Prototype
necromancers
new allied rac
econfirmed
terse patrol
I WANT JUNKRAT FOR THE ALLIANCE VRIS
west relic
terse patrol
DONT TAKE THIS FROM ME
sharp bluff
I would fine with necromancers, mained one in Guild Wars back in the day, fun mechanics
near cosmos
Well that's a fine how-do-you-do
sharp bluff
sadly
hollow dock
If you want a necromancer, deathknights are waiting for you. :ionface:
terse patrol
but anyways
sharp bluff
Vris
west relic
Necro's in GW2 are a solid 9/10
hollow dock
Oh yea that's right.
sharp bluff
lol
terse patrol
Right now, I think the only races without an allied race counterpart
Are Undead, Gnomes, and Goblins?
near cosmos
mechagnomes when
terse patrol
No
terse patrol
Mechagnomes are genderless.
tulip sun
Interesting....
tulip sun
They obviously have something planned
near cosmos
honk u shitlord u take that back
hollow dock
but we still slap tits on em
near cosmos
reeeee
near cosmos
REEEEEE
west relic
terse patrol
I reckon, Vulpera would be the Goblin counterpart.
San’layn the regretable Undead counterpart.
terse patrol
Similar
hollow dock
The tuskarr are never getting playable. Same with Turtles.
west relic
Vulpera aren't a counterpart.
sharp bluff
no worgen/undead/gnome/goblin/panda counterparts
terse patrol
But I want Adam Jensen Gnomes.
west relic
Since they aren't going to be an allied race.
hollow dock
Well to be fair Thulm, the possibility does exist.
terse patrol
“I never asked for this.”
hollow dock
And everyone rees when you say that
west relic
The CM's have come outright and said it will not be an allied race.
terse patrol
Link?
hollow dock
They said that it's not an indication that it'll get added in. Not that it won't get added in if I recall from that blue post
all the extra animations and all
west relic
Yeah, let me dig through all my crap and see if I can find the links.
stiff vector
Not that the CMs would even know at this point, they're CMs.
hollow dock
🤢
west relic
Just because they have extra animations doesn't mean they will be a playable race.
terse patrol
Australian gnomes immediately please.
hollow dock
Absolutely not. I agree with that Thulm, but ya know
west relic
They could easily be part of a quest-line where you are transformed into a Vulpera.
terse patrol
Gnomes with cool punk hairstyles.
hollow dock
People like Kham. Dafire. Etc. They all vehemently say it'll happen cuz animations
tulip sun
They never stated they wouldny
sharp bluff
Vris... I never thought I would see the day you defend the furry runts
stiff vector
It is technically possible that they'll be an allied race but I sure don't hope so
west relic
I don't see it being an allied race. If it was, it would have been announced by now.
terse patrol
I mean, I want Vulpera. But why do most vulpera hardcore defenders have furry avatars? 
ruby star
What allied race?
sharp bluff
They will probably be like orges, join but only be seen when needed
west relic
If you look at all of the ongoing mining and all of the confirmed races, with Vulpera being discovered right along with them, yet it's the only race that isn't confirmed?
west relic
Yeah, I don't expect to see them as a playable race.
More than likely a very detailed quest.
hollow dock
same
terse patrol
Vulpera will likely be an end of the expansion race, if done.
hollow dock
I've been rockin the same words Thulm
ruby star
IF Vulpera would be added it would be 8.2 or 8.3 most likely but who knows
hollow dock
It doesn't work. They just ignore ya. cuz customizations
ruby star
I think they'd make nice carpets for Stormwind
terse patrol
I’m fairly indifferent to Vulpera
stiff vector
That ethereal allied race tho
west relic
I mean, you can customize anything through the model viewer if you really want to be technical.
tulip sun
I am just saying it seems likely
hollow dock
Oh yea I know
tulip sun
But ya, 8.2 or 8.3
hollow dock
Just no one wants to listen to that
tulip sun
Zandalari and kul tirans are roughly 8.1
stiff vector
Technically not really everything :p
ruby star
Also San'yln could come in 8.2 or 8.3 if that Datamined is setting them up for an allied race
west relic
Where do you get your numbers from @tulip sun?
terse patrol
Why do we need Vulpera when we have Varian’s spirit watching over us? He’s hairy enough.
west relic
Because it sounds like you're just pulling it out of thin air currently.
terse patrol
@west relic
tulip sun
Vulpera honestly do have extensive customizations for an npc though
On par or greater than some races
hollow dock
See what I mean Thulm?
tulip sun
Wait, what numbers?
hollow dock
the predictions we have for when the allied races are coming out
west relic
@tulip sun If they are a completely new race being added to the game (they are) then it's customary for each race to have multiple levels of varied customization to make it not seem like every one of them is a copy-paste without any details.
stiff vector
He probably gets it from the same place as the people saying they 100% won't be an allied race while we have not enough to prove either way yet :p
west relic
I think the way this works is that it's 100% not going to be a playable race until confirmed otherwise.
tulip sun
The release date thing?
west relic
Yes, the release dates.
tulip sun
That is just assunptions IF added
But ya, they gave more custimizations then really needed for npcs.
stiff vector
That's not how 100% works, no
terse patrol
In the end, Vulpera and Sethrak might be a preorder bonus for next expansion. Or not. Who the heck knows.
west relic
Yeah, but assuming what patch Blizzard might release things in, is almost like me predicting when a meteor might strike earth.
hollow dock
Zandalari and Kul Tirans are certainly going to be released most likely around 5-6 months into BFA. Which lines up with 8.1 if Blizz is keeping their current patch cycle.
terse patrol
^
tulip sun
I mever said they were confirmed or anything
stiff vector
Well no that'd be dumb to say
terse patrol
At the end of 8.0, the Zandalari and Kul Tirans join the Horde and Alliance respectively. So, 8.1 makes sense.
west relic
hollow dock
since at the start we are getting DID and Mag'har
tulip sun
But ya, 8.2 lines up roughly a year, and i heard talks about a pair snd year, so just a guess for when a new pair releases, if at all
ruby star
8.2 and 8.3 is likely to have new allied races
west relic
I'll be so happy the day this channel is gone LOL
stiff vector
Yeah I too feel like they might keep up the trend
ruby star
@west relic lol
hollow dock
we just move back into the PTR chat
terse patrol
^
hollow dock
so this channel and our speculations will never go away
stiff vector
Too bad #darkbelow-beta-spoilers will come back after
terse patrol
no
terse patrol
^
hollow dock
It was a Destiny expansion
stiff vector
No shit
hollow dock
So why would i tbe a spoiler chat? It's been out for nearly 2 years now
terse patrol
I mean, if they brought back Dark Trolls for a underground expac, I’d be game. But it ain’t happening.
west relic
Why not?
hollow dock
I mean. When the last remaining dark troll states
west relic
Speculating on things is what this channel is for right?
hollow dock
She's the last remaining dark troll.
terse patrol
I’ll believe it when it hits live @hollow dock
hollow dock
I dont think we have cloning technology
west relic
resists urge to change channel name to #darkbelow-beta-spoilers
terse patrol
I’m taking a lot of stuff with a grain of salt
west relic
stiff vector
Christie writing how there's a dark troll civilization in that cancelled under northrend all along
Bam allied race
Cancelled northrend zone*
terse patrol
I’ll gladly see an end to High Elves if the Alliance got Dark Trolls. 
hollow dock
I thought Northrend's underground is all Nerub's and Old God Flesh
west relic
Drinking this two year old beer and I'm barely able to stomach it at the moment.
Save me.
terse patrol
@west relic that’s on you
stiff vector
Retconned. Too bad.
terse patrol
Drinking old booze
west relic
Nah, it's still good.
hollow dock
Wait that's in Chronicles now too. That the underground zones of Northrend are Nerubian.
west relic
12% ABV and 112 IBU
stiff vector
Reprint of Chronicles required clearly
terse patrol
It is interesting tho
hollow dock
and the cacelled underground zone of Northrend was the two dungeons we got.
Both in nerubian cities
terse patrol
We’re seeing Nerubians in the beta for BFA, in one of the dungeons.
stiff vector
The janitors were dark trolls
terse patrol
So, I guess they’re recovering their numbers or something
west relic
Alright, I'm going to go stream fallout now while being halfway drunk.
terse patrol
ah
stiff vector
Which is why there's so many spider webs
west relic
Be nice to eachother.
terse patrol
We do know there are living nerubians tho
hollow dock
Yea
terse patrol
We help them reclaim Azjol’Nerub for some reason
hollow dock
they're taking back their city from the undead and hammer.
I mean
in all technicality
terse patrol
“This wont bite us in the ass.”
tulip sun
Hmm
tulip sun
I hope the dark troll speaker reappears
terse patrol
Idk if these Nerubians serve Yogg or not.
hollow dock
now that is true, but at the same time
Why would the Twilight's Hammer that serves yogg be against them?
terse patrol
yeah prolly
ruby star
GUYS
terse patrol
If they have part of them refuse tho, that’d be cool.
ruby star
apparently Jainas Angels was renamed
hollow dock
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
terse patrol
NOOOOO
hollow dock
what was it renamed to?!
hollow dock
THAT'S SO DUMB
terse patrol
hollow dock
@dense plover CHECK AROUND FOR JAINA'S ANGELS PLEASE!!!!
hollow dock
inb4 that means that high elves will be a thing
ruby star
lol if only
terse patrol
why does a male helf have a group called his “angels.”
hollow dock
maybe then I'll return to the HIgh Elf discord
terse patrol
Auric must be homosex.
ruby star
@hollow dock Your more then welcome to! 😄
hollow dock
Is it still a toxic cesspool of wanting to bomb the devs?
ruby star
It's calmed down
terse patrol
so you’re saying the Helf discord is identical to the Darling in the Franxx community.
hollow dock
Send me an invite then. I guess. Maybe. I dunno. if Lyris is still pissed i probably shouldn't go back.
ruby star
sent
uncut vault
cool little detail on the alpha: mobs now look at you when you get close to them
ruby star
Port
terse patrol
Oooo
uncut vault
Sure
ruby star
thanks dude
terse patrol
Auric is being retconned to be a fabulous boy who loves his handsome, manly angels. @hollow dock
hollow dock
Oh they fixed that. that's nice.
Wonder if they fixed the dalaran guards retroactively.
uncut vault
they didnt really fix it
steel venture
I for one welcome our gay trio. 👏
ruby star
HYPE
terse patrol
tbh, IF we got Helves, I’d love if we got the two shades of blue eyes. One of them was kinda sky blue, while the other was dark blue.
uncut vault
but from what I can see on the alpha, eye glow is fixed
uncut vault
high elf/dark ranger NPCs no longer have the green glow
hollow dock
blood elves
terse patrol
Yeah, I’m legitimately surprised they remembered Auric.
hollow dock
Well. this is a small little detail
uncut vault
hollow dock
but it's given me hope.
uncut vault
it's an acknowledgement that there are elves that arent windrunners, at the very least
steel venture
he did?
ruby star
I wanna see it visually 😄
steel venture
its less blurry in the actual link
ruby star
yaeh too blurry
uncut vault
terse patrol
Wait, his eyes look different from most Helf NPC eyes. They're brighter.
uncut vault
its just using the dk eyes
terse patrol
is he a DK?
uncut vault
I assume cause they wanted ot keep his skin tone
no
high elf eyes are tied to the really pale skin tone and he has one of the moderate ones
rocky jackal
steel venture
yeah high elves literally are locked to even paler skintones than default belves
which
makes no sense but ok
terse patrol
not really
Look at Felblood Elves.
Their skintones are all fairly red.
And the Blood Elves have a reddish skin color.
So, fel taint darkened their skin color.
hollow dock
Fel is what made blood elves have the darker skin tones
steel venture
i wouldn't say a slight spray-tan = "feltainted skin"
feltainted skin would be more like what belf DHs and the felblood elves have.
terse patrol
High Elves were pale, like their Highborne ancestors.
steel venture
And blood elves also are ridiculously pale. 😂
That's kinda my point. Outside of one orange, jersey-shore type spraytan they're really not that much darker than helves, but helves are like neon white.
uncut vault
Actually, high elves being exclusively pale was changed in chronicles 1
terse patrol
wot
uncut vault
old lore was gaining peachy pale skin, now it's just gaining human skin tones
steel venture
And also Chronicle 1 changed it from "The Sunwell instantly changed them" to "They were gradually changing anyway, the Sunwell just helped."
terse patrol
Guess I wouldn't mind if High Elves got darker skin options.
darker than Belves that is.
steel venture
but still its
werid though.
really.
unless you give blood elves more "unnatural" skin tones it makes no sense for any helf skintone to be drastically different than theirs
if helves get darker options, belves should too.
hollow dock
Wouldn't it be more
hollow dock
'Helves just get the skin tones belves already have'
and not helves are getting different tones to belves?
uncut vault
I mean if blizz were smart, theyd add some of the allied race features to their counterpart an xpac later
void elves should get some of the belf long hairstyles, and belfs should get some of the velf short hairstyles
terse patrol
^
steel venture
SERIOUSLY THO
uncut vault
no reason only maghar orcs should have dreads
steel venture
also give us blonde / black on night elves please
thank you
no reason default dwarves couldn't snag some tattoos, maybe recolor the dark iron tatts into wildhammer blue ones and there ya go
hollow dock
My favorite is still the ponytail
uncut vault
even though I dont play belfs, the men need the velf combover
they desperately need some good short styles
terse patrol
They can make it dark, with amethyst gems.
steel venture
they need actual good short styles yeah
and void elves need actual good LONG styles
that aren't like, all tentacled
uncut vault
I feel bad for fem velfs, at least the men have a few normal looking ones
steel venture
wtb a good ponytail for fem velves 😭
uncut vault
theirs are either tentacled or just got out of bed
uncut vault
Theyre not bad, but there should be options
uncut vault
bald velf with all tentacles
terse patrol
^
❤
but yeah
Swapping hair styles with Belves would be cool
Just remove the tentacles for the Belves
fluid olive
wat
uncut vault
who was it that said sethrak wouldnt go alliance because theyre too scary/beastly
"Then we consider what's their natural tendency - are they likely to be more sympathetic to the Horde or the Alliance? - and then if we noticed a preponderance of really big, tough-looking races on one side or really charming, cool, cute-looking races on the other, then we try to do a little bit of a rebalance. Those profiles and those aesthetics are really important. We didn't want everyone on the Horde to look ugly, right?"
near cosmos
lewd Honk
terse patrol
dense plover
@hollow dock you mean at the island area?
dense plover
isnt jainas angels alliance?
meager warren
that was me, port.
and i didn't mean to say that they're ugly. they're beautiful. but many people find snakes scary
ruby star
@dense plover yes, Jaina's angel is renamed if thats what your asking Vris about 😛
Yeah It's Auric's Angels now
terse patrol
Auric's a high elf
tulip torrent
but if he was a high elf wouldnt that mean that his eyes would be blue
and not green like this screenshoted blood elf ?
he would have a paler skin
hollow dock
Because high elves are lumped with Blood elves in terms of models and face maps
it gets mixed up and blizz has never been arsed to fix it
until now
terse patrol
^
tulip torrent
i doubt that they will do it for this exp
its enourmous job
and they dont have much time
terse patrol
you forget
hollow dock
they've just never bothered to
terse patrol
that blizzard's development doesnt stop at launch.
hollow dock
until now, with the golden eye face map
terse patrol
They start on the next patch.
hollow dock
heck parts of the team start on the next expansion as soon as this one launches
terse patrol
^
They already know, roughly, what they want to do with this expac.
Sometimes they make last minute changes, but not often.
terse patrol
report it
dense plover
duh
thats the first thing i did
its a phasing bug
theres a lot of them right now
forum post exists since yesterday
jade basalt
ruby star
Oooo whats that
rich apex
That is a strong likelihood of KT shamans
near cosmos
if I could get a race that wasnt goat or dwarf as shaman i would be happy
my wallet would not happy but i would be
sharp bluff
Orc
near cosmos
m8
near cosmos
I refuse to acknowledge pandas
near cosmos
lmao
sharp bluff
Am I wrong? Lol
near cosmos
pandas are pretty chill its true
Id love gilneans if i could not be a furry half the time
sharp bluff
You mean before they made it so you become a furry when you enter combat?
Funny times
near cosmos
was there a time in beta when you could fight in human form?
rich apex
I mean that's literally the entire point of rolling a worgen
And not that I've ever heard
Since it defeats the point
sharp bluff
It made into live I think
rich apex
If it had made it into live, people would have whined up a storm
Either about human druids
Or Blizz removing something just for the sake of aesthetic, after letting it go to live
sharp bluff
Well it got removed either way
I can’t play a worgen unless they are rogue or druid anyways
Hate the walk
tulip sun
I like thar jainas angels were changed
Having old characters reappearing to fight is always nice
tropic trail
Does anyone know whats those 3 mini beta patches were just then?
dim flower
Hey guys
I'm torn between my BFA beta talents
I feel like Sudden Death has always been the way to go since day 1
Is In For The Kill still good even with the changes made to Deadly Calm (removal of Battle Cry and 100% rage reduction)
rich apex
Battle Cry's pretty subpar, imo
dim flower
It was our burst window though
That's why I'm torn between a burst window or passive haste buff
rich apex
I've rarely been short on Rage when I've been playing Arms in beta
dim flower
So still going for IFTK?
rich apex
I'm not thrilled with that whole tier overall, but yeah 😛
dim flower
Fair nuff
uncut vault
new little build
dim flower
I've only gotten to 87 on live as an arms warrior
Had a fun, successful time but
With these talent changes, idk
What about the AOE tier?
uncut jetty
Is Zuldazar able to be completed?
dim flower
used to arms tho
near cosmos
well thars yer prablem
uncut jetty
Anyone know?
sudden oak
Next allied race fel elf 
wild pewter
Ooooh cheeky little build
rich apex
We've still got to find the sea elves
Dark elves
Light elves
One elf
Two elf
Red elf
Blue elf
wild pewter
The yellow elf
The pink elf
The black and white elves
and together they form, the Power Elves
tulip sun
There cant be many more kinds of elves
But i forget where but earlier it was mentuoned if dark trolls are found to be alive, theyd likely go alliance
I dont get why
terse patrol
rich apex
please
sharp bluff
👏
tropic trail
darktrolls would go alliance because they're literally night elves in troll form
gilded drum
I think we've had enough elves 👀
terse patrol
I want alliance Dark Trolls
gilded drum
Trolls on Alliance would be cool
terse patrol
Grom helped kill a bunch of them.
gilded drum
Humans for Horde kappa
gilded drum
I feel like Nathanos is a pretty undead because he's Sylvanas' boy toy
rich apex
forums: we want dead humans, but a -different- one that's prettier
That is exactly why
tropic trail
with the addition of fat humans, anything is possible - except high elves
gilded drum
I don't like the love plotline they are trying to force for Nathanos and Sylvanas
tropic trail
nath and sylv have always had something tho
terse patrol
As bad as it is to say
rich apex
They don't have love
They have a creepy, obsessive, super unhealthy obsession
And it's a great dynamic
prove me wrong
gilded drum
I feel like Nathanos loves Sylvanas, and Sylvanas kinda uses that to her own advantages.
uncut vault
Eh Id say they still have love, just two very different kinds of love
terse patrol
San'layn are the best fit for a counterpart for Forsaken. Unrotten Nathanos humans wouldn't be different enough.
uncut vault
possessive love vs obsessive love
terse patrol
And Dark Rangers would technically be class-restricted.
They're rangers.
Hunters.
uncut vault
would work as rogues too but, sanlayn are the better choice
rich apex
Still expecting Undead Elf Allied Race
terse patrol
San'layn could be any Forsaken class.
rich apex
Of course, question of what the visual difference is between an Undead Elf and a San'lyn
tropic trail
"if you want a dark edgy elf, the alliance is waiting for you"
rich apex
k e k
gilded drum
Unpopular opinion: I think we already have more than enough allied races
rich apex
Yes that is unpopular
Give me all the Allied Races
I will not rest until I can play ever race that has two legs
terse patrol
That's the thing, Blizzard's clearly setting each base race to have a corresponding allied race.
tropic trail
Still, some full races would be nice too, instead of reskins
terse patrol
And there just aren't any other races that would fit for Forsaken.
gilded drum
I think getting ya know, 1-2 an xpac* would be fair I guess.
terse patrol
Nathanos being "made whole" was special, and for him only.
gilded drum
*per faction
terse patrol
It required the draining of a greater vry'kul.
tropic trail
what race do void elves belong to then?
terse patrol
So, Sylvanas isn't going to make a bunch of sexy undead humans.
rich apex
I can't imagine Blizz is restricting their Allied options
gilded drum
Night Elves don't particularly like anyone to be fair
rich apex
Just to oblige themselves to find a new Allied Race that relates to goblins and gnomes
gilded drum
I think, at least in my opinion, Night Elves are the most 'racist' group in WoW.
tulip sun
I kinda see trolls sticking horde fully
rich apex
I mean those pesky mortals keep almost destroying the world
tulip sun
Same with like no dwarves joining the horde
rich apex
The night elves said 'let's not do that again' after the first time
tropic trail
dwarves wouldn't join the horde becasue there's only 2 clans left that both hate the horde
tulip sun
Greenegg, i think you missed the point
terse patrol
anyhow. There's the idea that these new San'layn might be Highborne san'layn. Possibly turned into vampyr by vry'kul?
Ages ago.
terse patrol
^
rich apex
Ain't as if void elves existed beforehand
tulip sun
But is it true they can raise dead? Like valkyr?
terse patrol
So, they could easily write a group of San'layn who aren't Scourge.
rich apex
Yes
terse patrol
Because not all vampyr are Scourge.
tulip sun
Sypvanas found her problem with population xD
terse patrol
The Lich King learned how to make them from the Vrykul
tulip sun
Solution*
gilded drum
Make Argent Crusade a player faction along side Alliance and Horde
Allied Factions kappa
terse patrol
Horde purists need to get over it.
tulip sun
The horde is evolving
rich apex
top kek
tulip sun
They will accept it
rich apex
Oh of course they will
tulip sun
Hell, we have a undrad high elf as Warchief
rich apex
Ain't no one quitting WoW because of fox/vampire people
gilded drum
I may swap my main from a Blood Elf to a Mag'har in BfA
terse patrol
Blizzard already said they want to balance how "pretty" each faction is.
rich apex
No matter how much they cry on the forums
terse patrol
So, the Alliance are due a bestial race.
rich apex
(The forums they can only post on with an active sub, iirc)
tropic trail
I've never heard blizzard say they want to balance prettyness
tulip sun
People keep complaining about lightforged and the other allied races being too similar
That is the point....
gilded drum
The only thing I'm upset about in BfA right now is
The alliance plate warfront gear looks SO good
rich apex
It's almost like we got 8-10 new Allied Races
Because they're quicker to make
As opposed to only 1 or 2
gilded drum
and the horde plate warfront gear just.. doesn't
tulip sun
I could just slap anyone who says they should be added cystomizarion to the base races
rich apex
There's always a 50/50 chance a new set will be hilariously bad
tulip sun
A mulgore tauren would not have moose antlers
A exodar draenei would not be infused with the light
tropic trail
you'd think the horde gear would have an undead theme to is since sylv is the leader, but nah, generic spike armor
tulip sun
They ignore the lore
uncut vault
"Hell, we have a undrad high elf as Warchief"
uncut vault
you're implying the orc purists arent raging over that
and demanding they kill sylvanas
sudden oak
tbh it would be cool if orgrimmar would have a blood elf and undead district
just like they have a tauren and troll one
tulip sun
All base races up to cata have little hubs in orgrimmar
Except belves
I expect something yo happen with undead. Their entire population moved there
To
tropic trail
If I were a blood elf I'd see no reason to stay in orgrimmar either
gilded drum
And they casually destroyed the Goblin Slums to put a single building there
rich apex
Well
tropic trail
goblins have a city fairly close tho
rich apex
That's gentrification for you
tulip sun
They are an integral part of the horde family nowadays
And there IS a small spot for goblins still, beside the embassu
Mida is still there aa well
Aa
Assss
slate ingot
was there anything new with this small build?
like an 80mb build
if anyone knows or not
tulip sun
No clue
uncut jetty
Think it was some bug fixes, just not sure what was fixed
slate ingot
I see I still have to do batrtle for lordaeron again * i think* though I have the quest speaker for the horde and hes just phased out faction changing at 120 breaks things
rich apex
e l v e s
uncut jetty
Where is the Terrace of the Speakers in Zuldazar?
slate ingot
if you didn't update there was a build that went out
tulip sun
A small build, yes?
uncut jetty
80mb