proof?
#beta-ptr-spoilers
meager warren
sharp bluff
The ren'dorei's emergence attracted other blood elves[3] and high elves[4] to their cause.
meager warren
the proof is they're playable
sharp bluff
^
hollow dock
If you talk to those high elves in the rift
they say they're studying the void
not joining
sharp bluff
Under Alleria's guidance, as well as the tutelage and instruction of her own teacher, Locus-Walker, the void elves made strides in mastering their nature. They claimed Telogrus as their base of operations, and their numbers grew with the addition of blood elves and high elves who have ventured to seek them out, no longer fearing exile for the pursuit of knowledge.
meager warren
becoming void elves doesn't mean they're joining tho
ruby star
Silver Covenant would not join the void elves
ruby star
High Elves make sense get over it
hollow dock
Not to mention there's an alternate azeroth
ruby star
Alliance deserves soemthign they have wanted
hollow dock
If you're so concered about numbers
meager warren
high elves don't make sense, get over it
hollow dock
We go to alt Azeroth, recruit in all those humans and elves just sitting there
bam
Numbers aren't an issue
terse patrol
The Horde got the Mag’har, something they’ve wanted since BC. The Alliance were denied Blood Elves in BC.
sharp bluff
we have an Alt Azeroth we still have a portal to?
terse patrol
I think it’s right we get Helves.
hollow dock
We have a portal to Alt-Draenor
Not hard to reverse engineer a portal to Alt Azeroth from there
meager warren
Alt-Draenor is connected to our Azeroth
hollow dock
since we know how to traverese the nether
sharp bluff
like I said I am fine with you allys getting Helfs, but until they show us a way the Helf numbers are growing, it makes little sense to me
hollow dock
Again I just presented a scenario tha tmakes perfect sense
since the horde is doing the exact same thing
terse patrol
Only way I’d remotely compromise
sharp bluff
Hmm I did not think of going to Alt Az by going through Alt Draenor
terse patrol
Is if Alliance got Vry’kul.
hollow dock
and i can guarantee Anasterian over there on Alt Azeroth would be pissed as fuck at the blood elves.
sharp bluff
Are we sure Alt Az exists though? I was under the impression that only Alt Dreanor exists (stable) in that universe/timeline
meager warren
WoD's DRAENOR IS OUTLAND BUT IN THE PAST
hollow dock
We stabalized their timeline entirely. It exists there.
meager warren
IT IS CONNECTED TO OUR AZEROTH
meager warren
source?
terse patrol
We’d never go to an Alt Azeroth.
meager warren
lol
sharp bluff
And would the alliance exist in alt universe? no horde went to Azeroth in that timeline
so no attacks
and like said above
hollow dock
The high elves would still be there
terse patrol
Nope
sharp bluff
no lich
meager warren
Nerzhul didn't become lich king in WoD Draenor because it happened before that
terse patrol
The humans would still fight each other occasionally.
hollow dock
false
sharp bluff
so why would alt helfs help get in a war?
terse patrol
And eventually
sharp bluff
if no war where they are
terse patrol
The Old Gods would devour them all
hollow dock
Anasterian is pissed
as fuck
at our Blood elves
for betraying their own people like that
true matrix
are we seriously having this argument again
hollow dock
Working with the trolls.
mint arch
king arthas with his wife jaina ;_;
hollow dock
^ that also happened
sharp bluff
Trolls are the elfs people
mint arch
pls blizzard, let us see it
sharp bluff
lol
hollow dock
alternate timelines exist
meager warren
yes, mei we are
hollow dock
That's for arson Zep
meager warren
alternate timelines exist yes
hollow dock
WoD's Draenor
is an alternate
timline
draenor
Different events happened
that our timelines draenor
never had
meager warren
but Garrosh specifically used a bronze dragon to go to Outland's past
hollow dock
Garrosh was never born as Grommashs' wife died early
true matrix
I'm just gonna go eat until this is over
hollow dock
To a different
outland
not the same one we had
it's a different timeline
as our main timeline
cannot be changed in the past anymore
meager warren
it's different because Garrosh changed things
sharp bluff
such as no ALT alliance since the orcs never invaded from ALT dreanor
meager warren
that's it
hollow dock
Nozdormu tied up all the past events UP UNTIL Dragon Soul
If Garrosh actually changed our time Arson
there'd be no lich king
no
horde
mint arch
@true matrix shall always have all the arguments here :D
hollow dock
on our azeroth
sharp bluff
What Vris said, 100%
no orcs invading mean no lich king
which probably means Deathwing won
hollow dock
Alternate Azeroth's events are presumed to still have gone normally
sharp bluff
n that universe
hollow dock
up until the failed creation of the Dark Portal
for the orcish invasion of Azeroth
that azeroth* rather
Which means the alliance is still together
the alliance banded together, including the high elves, before the orcish invasion
hollow dock
Lordaeron in its full
Though because there's no horde, the night elves must fully control Kalmindor with the small pockets of Tauren left. Assuming they didn't get wiped out by the Centaurs
heck for all we know
sharp bluff
Probably got wiped out
mint arch
hmm, would the burning legion have invaded alt azeroth?
terse patrol
alteraci humans for horde when
hollow dock
and Malfurion is the imprisoned DH
they would have at the Well of Eternity and possibly war of the saytr
mint arch
nah, illidan is probably a mage sulking around and stalking tyrande
sharp bluff
Vris... have you been playing HotS?
hollow dock
I play hots every now and then
and yes I did reference the skins for both of those heroes
sharp bluff
making sure lol
hollow dock
but like I said: It's very easy
to whip up a population
so that's not really an issue.
In all honesty, theres 0 issues that are not easily remedied or have already happened once before.
For high elves becoming playable
sharp bluff
see the one issue I see with Alt Azeroth is just the following, size
hollow dock
As I see it, the Trolls in Zul'aman would have been wiped out by our current time
mint arch
oh man, imagine alt azeroth with no sundering
hollow dock
which is when the horde recruits the mag'har
Lordaeron has become a metropolis
Stormwind has fallen to the black dragons
the Dwarves and Gnomes are still in their mountainous area
mint arch
they have cars and planes as there is no world invasions/wars to inhibit progress :D
hollow dock
The Night Elves control all of Kalmindor
sharp bluff
Alt Azeroth Elves VS the rest
Tauren would be dead since the only reason they survived is the horde
mint arch
aszhara as queen
hollow dock
Those high elves would have most likely joined up with Lordaeron. Or just sealed off their borders.
ruby star
AU High Elves still Alive (all their pop) they then join current Alliance
hollow dock
The Night elves are probably still slaughtering both horde and alliance
and are neutral
ruby star
then Alliance become supreme
hollow dock
sincetheres no third war to broker peace between them and the alliance
ruby star
then we can destroy Loth'emar
true matrix
my dude why do you hate lor'themar so much
hollow dock
keep going most likely but I'm just giving rough ideas of what happens for each area of relevance
meager warren
Drorith hates everyone but Sylv
true matrix
ah. I see
hollow dock
Drorith hates sylv tho
meager warren
lol
ruby star
I love Alliance, I have Alliance pride
hollow dock
He just hates all the horde
ruby star
of course I hate horde
hollow dock
because he's alliance
sharp bluff
So since the Vampire elfs are back, anyone else think WotLK 2 will be coming up soon? in an xpac or 2
hollow dock
Probably.
meager warren
oh. well ofc he does
true matrix
how boring
mint arch
probably is
hollow dock
And Im joining him
mint arch
they're setting it up
meager warren
toxic alliance scum that he is
mint arch
sharp bluff
Heh
mint arch
ill be joining nzoth-kun FOR THE VOID
sharp bluff
meager warren
Warcraft would be so much better with neutral factions
sharp bluff
Shall we join Big B in killing the weebs Vris?
meager warren
Join the Horde to smite the alliance weebs
sharp bluff
Did you just say... A CRUSADE?!?!?!
ruby star
Lol I'm Alliance and I'm no weeb!
sharp bluff
DUES VULT
meager warren
yes you are
ruby star
No I am not
ruby star
I hate Anime
meager warren
show us your races
mint arch
RISE UP MY FELLOW WEEBS
true matrix
@meager warren idec about the dumb faction conflict I just wanna have a good time killing demons and nuturing bonds of allyship. y'know, like we were doing in legion. until blizzard decided we needed to fight again for no good reason.
mint arch
they have declared a crusade against us
hollow dock
to bad so much of the game is built on factions
meager warren
too bad ur a weeb
ruby star
Yep
terse patrol
anti anime people must be killed
ruby star
For teh Alliance!
mint arch
FOR THE ANIME
mint arch
ruby star
@terse patrol fIgHt mE
terse patrol
sharp bluff
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/jcx9xj
vris is weeb confirmed
terse patrol
mint arch
hollow dock
You keep screenshotting all my anti-weeb comments
to prove Im not a weeb
thanks Arson
true matrix
🍿
meager warren
none of your "anti-weeb comments" are anti-weeb comments
hollow dock
Anime=/=weeb
meager warren
no u
terse patrol
being a weeb is not bad
mint arch
sullen dagger
it kinda is
terse patrol
being an otaku is bad
true matrix
I mean I do have to agree with vris on that one. being a weeb is more fetishistic of anime and japanese culture. if you just like anime I don't think that makes you a weeb, necessarily 🤔
meager warren
are you a sycophant, vris
sharp bluff
Weeb involves a Body pillow, someone have the pic? you know which one
ruby star
Spoiler anime is just another flavour of cartoons inserts Ion face
mint arch
i mean, there is the meme weeb and then there's actual weebs/otakus
sharp bluff
er close Honk lol
hollow dock
How is me hating on Weebs make me a kiss-ass?
sharp bluff
he looks so stoned in that one
meager warren
Varian looks like he's taking a shit in that
mint arch
give us a silver fox pic honk
terse patrol
sullen dagger
it's the new thing getting screencaps of cinematics?=
meager warren
cringe
mint arch
daddy turalyon likes dat light
sullen dagger
ah those are edited
meager warren
the new thing is trolling vris
ruby star
meager warren
oh and drorith
mint arch
any dadgar pics honk
mint arch
aye, u did
ruby star
hollow dock
terse patrol
hollow dock
sharp bluff
nooo Vris is infected now to XD
true matrix
what have they done to my beautiful wife...
ruby star
We will know Medvih is better ;D
hollow dock
That alex pic is 👌
terse patrol
vris is just repostin ones i made 
meager warren
vris is a khadgar weeb
mint arch
true matrix
jesus christ
meager warren
prepare to fry ;)
hollow dock
that face is 😩
hollow dock
here comes peach
dense plover
and there are shrines to each of the loa
terse patrol
hollow dock
bringing us back on topic
dense plover
they serve no quest purpose
sharp bluff
Vris wants to be you Honk, imitation is one of the most sincere forms of flattery
mint arch
always on topic with peach :<
dense plover
there is so much roleplay potential
its insane
also
the zone is HUUUUUGE
pictures dont do the scale justice
sullen dagger
guys
mint arch
red from transistor
sullen dagger
YES high elves or No high elves?
mint arch
i approve
ruby star
YES
meager warren
no high elves until they fix their skeleton
sullen dagger
red is the best
mint arch
red-chan 
hollow dock
Yes
mint arch
also, no high elves cause enough elves pls -_-
no more fckign elves from at least another expansion pls
mint arch
sure
sullen dagger
yeah, that is sensible
ruby star
guess what same can be said for ENOUGH compromises
meager warren
no high elves right now or in a later expansion
ruby star
High Elves should be 8.2 or 8.3
meager warren
or... or 9.never
sharp bluff
I could see them in a later expansion for sure, but only if they can show their numbers growing (which we got off topic for earlier), and it would be cool for the alliance to get them
meager warren
^
ruby star
No it's not
dense plover
no new points are being made
hollow dock
Like the vanilla servers?
meager warren
yes it is
sharp bluff
Alright, who is up for Half Elfs guys?
dense plover
you just repeat the same fucking shit over and over
mint arch
give us new race, like those snake ppl or something
ruby star
No
dense plover
i honestly dont give a fuck
hollow dock
So do the classic server guys
dense plover
im trying to show cool stuff from beta
hollow dock
If you dont care, block us until we stop talking about it
ruby star
Well then ignore any High Elf discussiion peach
mint arch
new class as well, like engineer or something would be nice
dense plover
it has a pictograph of the loa
ruby star
Peach got any stunning view pics?
dense plover
and then the head statue part also resembles the loa
hollow dock
that's cool. I guess.
meager warren
that shrine is hot
hollow dock
it's going to be there for live tho
dense plover
the stunning views are all the same
sharp bluff
if we get a new class it will be next xpac probably, following the last few classes skipping an xpac
hollow dock
Any gameplay of DKs/Paladins? I hear they're doing pretty well.
hollow dock
What changes happened with professions so far?
dense plover
since it levels independtly, you actually need to use it to level up
and the gear is decent
and not all of it has ranks
only some stuff does
ruby star
didn't inscirption or something let you get somehting to do with world quests or somehing
sullen dagger
something fucky is we dont get a new row of talents for lvl 120
that irks me and dont know why tbh
mint arch
^
mint arch
honestly, after the artifact removal, a new row of talents wouldve helped ALOT
for many classes
mint arch
just bake in artifact shit into the talent rows and u get a new row easy
hollow dock
well most talents are getting rolled in from the artis already
mint arch
well, 110 we were getting artifacts
ruby star
So peach you go into beta?
ruby star
gz dude
mint arch
well, thing is, there are many things not being added
like for me, as a DH main, my artifact ability is greatly missed
hollow dock
There's not much that aren't just passives.
mint arch
and some talents were removed/changed that could have been worked with a new row
hollow dock
A lot of the class changes aren't in so we can't fully say, but most of the artifact passives are getting baked into current talents
or made talents completely
Like Unholy has Apoc baseline and is getting the thing that makes their ghouls explode as a talent
uncut vault
god I would have much preferred just a new row with three important artifact traits instead of cramming the artifact abilities into the existing trees
mint arch
^
hollow dock
double free Death Coil is a talent
mint arch
das true vris
uncut vault
fire mage is losing a ton of guaranteed crits no matter what now
mint arch
but ya, like port said, a new row would've been.... cleaner?
hollow dock
yea its 100% a huge nerf to player power
But at the same time
we are playing -without- Azerite armor
which Ion did elude, you can stack the legendary bracer effect
mint arch
and they can't use a lack of ideas as an excuse cause the ideas are there: artifacts, legendaries, bonus sets
hollow dock
three times over
So that's a huge increase to player power
(that is just an example )
uncut vault
Im just waiting for mage to get a blink heal azerite trait
mint arch
imo
uncut vault
then I'll be happy
uncut vault
But yeah Im not a fan of the new system where our progress towards being a decent spec is tied to specific items
sullen dagger
no, because we had artifact weapons, and a new class
mint arch
baseline specs should be solid before adding on gear with changes or w/e
sullen dagger
which kinda fill the gap
hollow dock
Unless you're actually competeing, then you dont need to be the top highest gear for azerite possible
mint arch
well, some specs are complaining that at baseline level, the spec is lacking and such
uncut vault
it excuses mediocre class design because every xpac they can just reset the progress towards making the spec fun
hollow dock
Yea but its also Beta Void
mint arch
and that the promise that "azerite will fix it" is not a good one
uncut vault
its the illusion of progression
mint arch
true
dense plover
oh man
sharp bluff
Mmm minion bombs
dense plover
skinning drops other stuff again
sullen dagger
but in the new xpac it feels lackluster, blizz is killing artifact weapons, which is fine in my book, eliminating the AP, and we get... AP
dense plover
you get meat now
hollow dock
A lot of the issues will get fixed with Azerite, but a lot of the changes that are planned are being implimented slowl over time.
mint arch
i guess i just disagree with blizzard's fundamental design choice this xpac
dense plover
and skinning has a sellable on the auction house item again
sullen dagger
^
uncut vault
but regardless of classes being unfinished, artifact abilities shouldnt be gone by default, and added back on a case by case basis
mint arch
^
dense plover
like the green seeds for herablism in legion
uncut vault
they should be a part of the spec, as they were in legion, and removed if they didnt work anymore
hollow dock
They are being added back in
on a case
by case
basis
but that takes time and full examination
uncut vault
yeah im saying it shouldnt be like that
hollow dock
Like UNholy didn't get apoc at the start
hollow dock
but as the team looked it over, they saw that yea. Apoc is pretty needed for it
Not necissarily for power
but for consistency
uncut vault
Im saying it should be the opposite of what theyre doing now. Instead of adding them back in on a case by case basis, they should have removed irrelevant ones on a case by case basis
hollow dock
and what is a necissary change to the class
sullen dagger
hm
hollow dock
Well the thing is port that most of the stuff the artifacts gave
sullen dagger
the biggest example of the problem are the dh, imho
hollow dock
was Quality of Life
not power.
And ot much QoL is bad for the classes.
Hence why its a case-by-case basis
sullen dagger
they are desig ned with the artifact weapons in mind and with the core
uncut vault
I dont mean the whole artifact tree, I get that needed to be pruned
hollow dock
they already explained that in the QnA
uncut vault
I mean just the ability
mint arch
for example: ur artifact ability = easy new talent for many specs
uncut vault
its obviously beta, but Im worried for specs like fire mage
sullen dagger
p.e removing the active of the havoc aw makes them kinda clunky
sullen dagger
specially in aoe situations
mint arch
just hope they dont overdo the GCD stuff
uncut vault
on the tier phoenix flames is on right now, they lose a ton of crits no matter what, because its a choice between 3 extra crits, or more fireblasts
hollow dock
Im not
sullen dagger
JAINA IS SECOND BEST WAIFU
hollow dock
if they realized that Apoc was a huge important thing
uncut vault
it had both in legion, and it made the spec good
sullen dagger
AND BADASS ALLAROUND
mint arch
JAINA-CHAAAAN
hollow dock
they'll realize it for the others
mint arch
IM WITH U
uncut vault
I just hope they dont wait to realize it till 8.1
sullen dagger
i guess we will have to play the waiting and seeing game
uncut vault
Ive done three threads on fire mage alone, lol
hollow dock
cuz that's what happened with unholy and we got all the changes we need to make that spec work again
sullen dagger
untill the prexpac patch
mint arch
lol, there has been A LOT of feedback on forums
mint arch
peach... get out pls
dense plover
its like a lizard and a crazy garbage lady mixed together
uncut vault
Im not all that optimistic because its the same cycle they went through last xpac, and the same cycle they go through in a lot of their games
mint arch
unless that pun was un-intentional
uncut vault
people give feedback on obvious things, blizz says "we hear it but want to try it anyways"
mint arch
... not intentional?
dense plover
it was intentional
mint arch
aite, out wit u then
hollow dock
they just ignore the one thing you like so clearly they aren't taking in any feedback at all
uncut vault
turns out community was right, and they change it the nxt patch after live
hollow dock
despite the fact that shit takes time
and you should give them the time they need to actually comb through it and see if they agree or not
mint arch
blizzard has issues with communication... for w/e reason -_-
hollow dock
they really dont
the QnAs are great proof that they are being as transparent about how they go about this stuff as they can
uncut vault
And I am. But so far it's looking exactly like what happened in Legion
uncut vault
So Im gonna continue giving feedback, and expecting them to repeat the mistakes
mint arch
or even a mention of "we heard u on this"
hollow dock
So they -HAVE- to reply to each and every single thread
for the feedback to have reached the team
mint arch
no, not every thread
mint arch
how hard can that be? to make a sticky thread on the class forum where CM's can relay
hollow dock
they dont have to keep replying, they jus tneed to take it to the devs
mint arch
info like: devs have heard about this
or looking into that
its basic communication that will help alot
hollow dock
For me, I can safely assume that when ten or fifteen threads on 1 topic are made
it's reached the devs in some way
mint arch
cause then ppl can get past "they arent listening to us" and move to actual discussion and feedback on issue devs are looking into
hollow dock
that's on the people tho
the feedback reaches the team regardless of the CMs saying anything
mint arch
but u cant blame the ppl, so many times feedback is seemingly ignored cause CMs cba to just post in a sticky thread: these are the issues devs looking into, these are issues we've relayed to devs, so on
hollow dock
I can because they're impatient little shits.
mint arch
not all
there are ppl like the discord owners or guide writers or class ppl
who post
and there is no reply
should they at least not need a reply from a CM?
hollow dock
Yea because again: the reply isnt needed.
mint arch
i disagree completely
mint arch
if blizzard is asking for feedback, the least that can be done is a mention that feedback is being heard
uncut vault
except it doesnt always. see destro lock in Legion
mint arch
cause MANY threads pop up saying "why aren't we being heard"
hollow dock
time and time again
mint arch
QnA is not frequent enough or covers classes/specs
uncut vault
from day 1 of its testing coming up, people gave feedback
sullen dagger
i think rp guys enter the thread when it gets out of hand to a. (usually) close ir or b(rarely) give info about something
uncut vault
took till 7.2.5 for the changes to be implemented
mint arch
saying "we've heard u" =/= specific issues
uncut vault
devs didnt even acknowledge that there were issues till 7.2 or so
hollow dock
but that's what you're wanting. for them to say
"We heard you"
on all these threads
mint arch
no, im saying
hollow dock
So then do they do what they already do?
pick and choose
which threads to reply to
mint arch
there be a stickied thread where CM's post about the current issues being looked at, threads that have been relayed to devs, and so on
and keep that thread updated
so that ppl can easily look and see, what's going on
then devs are free to individually reply to threads they want when they want
this way, ppl can see feedback is being head, what is being head, and arent desperate for devs to post something
das all im saying
hollow dock
but the time devs spent
replying to thousands of threads
isn't working on the game
mint arch
thats what CM's are for
hollow dock
but you want the devs to reply to these threads with the CMs
mint arch
no no
im asking CM's to post in the sticky thread to keep the communication up to date
then devs can post whenever they want, im not asking them to
hollow dock
so then they only ever do the sticky thread and nothing else?
mint arch
thats up to them
hollow dock
cuz the devs are busy developing the game
mint arch
the sticky thread is just a constant
issue 91: devs are looking into this issue brought up a week ago
there, ppl know whats going on and wont make 50 more threads about same issue
on eu and na forums
mint arch
id argue they wont
hollow dock
People who are outraged at something will make their own threads or search for threads that
ya know
already exist
hollow dock
This doesn't stop the complaining threads tho
hollow dock
this doesn't stop any of the issues on the forums
mint arch
the class development forum is its own thing
there are many threads complaining about lack of feedback
and blizzard can easily help improve the fourm
hollow dock
and those threads wouldn't cease to exist because of a sticky'd thread
mint arch
id argue they would
mint arch
sure, nothing can stop outraged ppl to whine and complain about stuff
mint arch
but for the ppl who make threads with actual feedback, and there are many, it would be nice
safe fern
is there any other reason than ap, to finish on zones? (count lore stuff out)
safe fern
Maybe in launch yea
hollow dock
Rep too. I guess. but you'll get those in World Quests
so eh
I'll just do what I've always done: Clear it all on my main
and then just do what's required to hit max on alts
hollow dock
wait a new greater valkyr?
mint arch
?
hollow dock
Or is she one of Sylvanas' originals
mint arch
kyra
uncut vault
Correct
hollow dock
technically 2.since one was drained for nathanos
uncut vault
wait, she has 4 left, but 3 that can do stuff because nathanos
hollow dock
she had 9
hollow dock
used one immediately, so 8. three in Silverpine.One in Andorhal. one for nathanos
oh yea 3 left.
whathca found Peach
uncut vault
they solved that problem
hollow dock
Legions launch was pretty dang smooth
uncut vault
we're put into scenarios instead of one big area
sharp bluff
Ahh this year I can actually afford to take launch day off TuT so happy
dense plover
no
its the lore of the zanchuli council
it gives some backstory for each individual
hollow dock
that's lore on the dire trolls
They were given a seat and a third one was made
what's so lore bomby about it?
uncut vault
interesting, jakrazets model isnt PH
dense plover
each image is the lore of each individual
sharp bluff
Dire.. trolls... but regular trolls are already giant
uncut vault
glad they finally got use out of it, and hes got a cool backstory
hollow dock
Oh Ok
I am used to only single images being uploaded
Maybe Im not that into zandalari. Cuz I just dont see them as lore bombs.
dense plover
its a singular bomb
because it is several pieces of lore
as one thing
we had no lore on anyone outside of zul
hollow dock
But what's so explosive about it? Nothing is really shocking about any of them or opening up huge speculations
ruby star
Legions launch was amazing
ruby star
so smooth tliek you said Vris
hollow dock
Like I'd argue Bolvar having a daughter in Kul'tiras is a much larger bomb
I just don't see the big deal. Like yes it's really cool and amazing that we get a bit of backstory for them
but to call it a lore bomb? I think that's excessive.
hollow dock
My fault for getting high expectations
sharp bluff
A daughter that the alliance will use against the Lich King next xpac
His daughter is VERY big news
dense plover
i find it very exciting
i thought you guys would
i care more about zandalar than most people though
hollow dock
I mean. it's again really cool and amazing that we got some backstory
dense plover
ive been waiting nearly 8 years
hollow dock
I just dont see that as severe
Like Bolvar having a daughter. that opens up so many possibilities and amazing ideas that blizzard could do
but giving us backstory kinda does the opposite effect for me.
dense plover
the loti lore is actually pretty big
druidism is a somewhat recent return on zandalar apparently
hollow dock
that's pretty interesting I'll admit to it
sharp bluff
Zan lore is great news to me Peach, but on mobile so can’t read it yet lol
hollow dock
Again I guess I just am not as enchanted about the new locations
sharp bluff
Need to know it for my Troll Paladin
hollow dock
so new stuff about the locations Im just kinda meh about
dense plover
i mean
its not a new location technically
its been around a while
we just havent gotten to go
hollow dock
it's new because we're now only getting there
Like Disney land isn't a new location, but its new for people going there for the first time
dense plover
idk
im just starting
played like 4 hours
but im just toe deep so far
the zones are HUUUUGE
sharp bluff
Nice
meager warren
don't burn yourself out on it peach
hollow dock
I'll save that for august
proper pendant
I might do one level run
To get the route down
Also to see if i qant to
Play monk or paladin
dense plover
Theres a place called Cartelagio
its where the goblins are
i wonder what inspired that name 😉
ruby star
Peach do you have a thoery on why there is Wildhammer and Jinyu banners in Borulas
island expedtion teams?
tulip torrent
i have a question about the beta key owners
about the two servers
any recomendations on which server is better to play
i am asking about queue timers and stuff
hollow dock
theres no ques
tulip torrent
i mean dungeon queues
hollow dock
yes all servers on any world of warcraft blizzard stuff is connected
think of the servers, at this point, like partitioning your harddrive
it's all on your 1 computer, just space managment is easier
tulip torrent
yeah but still you can have multiple hards
multiple servers in one rack
and stuff
dense plover
theres lots of groups doing island expeditions
wildhammer are technically already part of the alliance
and jinyu, some are part of the alliance
theres weird groups for all the factions
hollow dock
Im kinda surprised that the Jinyu stayed allied with the alliance
Hozen I can understand. since theyre monkeys
tulip sun
I imagine some 'recruitment' for old allies we may just like defend their home, freeing them up to aid the faction
spiral silo
any idea how I can continue the tiragarde questline? I'm stuck at vigil hill, there's a quest on my world map called "prepare for trouble, but can't find the quest in the world
silk jewel
Just got in on my account yee yee
merry briar
wtf
silk jewel
so hypeeeeeeeeee
merry briar
I don't have it on one account
silk jewel
It was on my Dads account lol
rich apex
<@&299347348847329281>
barren latch
Is that spam? 
rich apex
It looks like spam
barren latch
REEEEEEE
rich apex
rich apex
👌
hollow dock
aw I missed the spam
tulip sun
Saw this on forums
Overall good post, except that Geyarah is not confirmed as far as i know as Groms daughtee
Taking a look at the Horde races...yep, must say that I feel the pride flowing.
-Unique scenarios for goblin players to reclaim Kezan and deal with several Alliance collectives that want to steal their Azerite. Having Gallywix praised as the only leader that truly understands said substance and with relevant roles regarding it usage.
-Some new Voljin story regarding G’huun and the Darkspear under Rokhan, and a continent worth of lore for Zandalari. Things seem pretty good for trolls.
-The daughter of Grommash Hellscream, Geyarah, charging in commanding a horde of howling old-school orc clans. Varok sure needs to man up a bit, but they most certainly are taking his character somewhere. Thrall returns.
-A golden age for any Forsaken character. Important roles for Lillian Voss, Nathanos, Sylvanas, Lydon, and Belmont.
-New interactions between Blood elves and Nightborne. Occuleth and Thalyssra commanding several important expeditions and setting archeological digsites with the help of the Reliquary. Occuleth take under his wing several blood elf apprentices to teach the telemancy. Liadrin commands Silvermoons troops newly “upgraded” with dashing golden eyes.
-Tauren and Highmountain Tauren with relevant roles in Vol’dun appeasing earth furies and wind elementals. Aiding the Vulpera. Lasan taking charge of a great chunk of the Hordes aerial force.
Must say, that Horde side speaking, thing are coming up neat.
meager warren
what about alliance side?
terse patrol
Pretty sure Geyarah is gunna end up being alternate Draenor Thrall.
hollow dock
"Here's why the horde is doing pretty well"
"Yea alliance is doing well. Haven't gotten to them yet, but theyr'e doing well!"
terse patrol
lol
tulip sun
The alliance obviousky is able to have faction pride
He just has not experienced it first hand
No need to mock it.
winged heron
He be like that
tropic trail
how can he know alliance is doing well if he hasn't done their content?
I mean, I think we are doing fine, but that logic just seems flawed.
uncut vault
yknow, I kinda assumed geyarah was durotan and drakas daughter instead of grommash's
cause so far durotan and thrall, and now geyarah, are the only notable orcs with blue eyes
sudden oak
uncut vault
Twitter
rich apex
A new character? Who doesn't have an obligatory relationship to a previous one?
Sounds fake but okay
tulip sun
Kinda makes me not want to grind presrige levels anymore haha
rich apex
Who would ever do that
tulip sun
I can get the rewards i want
rich apex
Prestige merging would be great if I hated myself enough to grind Prestige on multiple characters
meager warren
well, pretty soon you won't have to! 
uncut vault
I mean, as someone who has 13 on one, 10 on another, and a splattering of 1s, this makes me very happy
Im just curious if the cap will be raised before or after the merge
uncut vault
I'll get 25 at the very least, something over 30 if the cap is raised alongside it
meager warren
if the cap isn't raised at launch, it likely will be soon
acoustic trellis
i finally got into beta~
slate ingot
anyone have a 120 alliance on beta and want to test siege of boralus
meager warren
i would but my only alliance is 103 and i don't have beta
uncut jetty
Anyone know the command to disable lua errors in beta?
uncut vault
/console scriptErrors 0
will still get the occasional "your addons are being weird" warning
uncut jetty
Ty, I'm getting constant lua errors from the guild ui and they freeze my screen for a second everytime and it's getting really annoying
tulip torrent
the script errors my not fix your problem
they will still be there just not visible to you
its better to just check for update or disable the addon
rigid furnace
Interesting. Compared to Paragon Levels in Diablo, here it seems the Prestige Levels are merged additively. Not taking part or % of Honor, but just the numbers as a whole.
12 characters with P1 would make P12 under the system.
uncut vault
we dont know the full details yet
tulip torrent
do druids have mark of the wild because i cant find my buff
cinder knoll
they dont
strange falcon
they SHOULD but it isnt in beta atm
bold spire
Hi, anyone an idea, just got to zuldazar, princess don't move, can do sh*t
hollow dock
It's beta! Can't expect everything to work.
hollow dock
Yo 100% true
I made a terrible mistake of going into FJs comment section
so much cancer
sullen dagger
agree
bold spire
i know it is beta, but they want to test new race, and it is not possible 😄 haha
hollow dock
It is perfectly possible =0 Don't need quests to go around the world.
steel venture
Yea or check if their animations are all working, racials, etc
languid yoke
we haven't had a cavern of times dungeon in a long time now
hollow dock
Nozdormu solved that.
He bound all of our timelines past to the Dragon soul event. Nothing in the past of our timeline can be changed and ours is the timeline that matters.
near cosmos
does that mean he prevented himself from becoming Muruzond if his Infinite Dragonflight can no longer fuck with our timeline? 🤔
glass kite
Hey, does any 1 know if rouge picketpocket weakly quest for 5k from order hall is still in BFA or they have removed it?
hollow dock
Nope because Muruzond happens in the future in which he goes back to the past to try and change it and we stop him. that event is solidified within our timeline
But the Infinite Dragonflight can no longer, post Dragon Soul, go into our timeline to change anything.
wild pewter
Apparently Pre-patch will be on the PTR soonTM
terse patrol
wanna know how to cause a themonuclear meltdown in the WoW community? By Blizz doing what Ion said may happen, that Blizz isn’t worried about racial parity. So, say the Horde gets San’layn and Vulpera, and Blizz says to the Alliance: “uh, your stuff is coming in a later patch lmao”
@hollow dock
:p
strange falcon
hollow dock
That's the quickest way I've seen to kill off WoW.
terse patrol
I mean, it ain’t me who said it, it was Ion. They said that allied races may not come out in twos, and that they’re being added “when they make sense”, not to pair up.
strange falcon
meaning that double elf duo is not necessary
hollow dock
they know that's a death sentence
terse patrol
He said it tho. I mean, I doubt they’d be fucking stupid enough to do that
hollow dock
Can ya get the quote?
terse patrol
But after the High Elf deal, I can just imagine the armageddon if they got San’layn.
languid yoke
can we not get more elves, please
strange falcon
by "not needing to pair up" he means,that if you have a new elf on one side,you arent obligated to have a elf on the other
terse patrol
And the Alliance was told “you’ll get somethin’ later.”
languid yoke
at least for the next 5 allied race pairings
hollow dock
Its weird to me
if they keep doing races in general to be pairs
and then out of no where say they dont need to be in pairs
despite a 14 year practice that theyve gone on record for saying, both sides get 1
strange falcon
what i understoof from his statement
he meant
that they will still be pairs
just that they dont have to be matching pairs
like
elf -elf
strange falcon
indeed
hollow dock
human troll
terse patrol
“Allied races will always come out in pairs to begin with, but in the long run they may not come out for both factions at the same time. As new allied races are added, more character slots will be added.”
@hollow dock
terse patrol
yep
hollow dock
I think at this point thy're just doing their best to kill off WoW tbh
strange falcon
wild pewter
They're just saying what may or may not happen to cover their arses, not setting out any actual plans.
sharp bluff
WoW 2: Electric Bungaloo
rigid furnace
I wonder why they seem so hesitant to increase the account wide character cap in spite of all the races being added and potentially added in the future.
strange falcon
because REAL altoholics are too scary
sharp bluff
^
oak wraith
... I ran out of character slots 🙄
wispy siren
you must not know anything about technology if you wonder why people cant just have unlimited characters, think about servers which need to store information on 50 characters for 10 million people.
wild pewter
"Maybe" 5 mil? WoW hasn't been below 5 for donkeys years. I don't know if you've been playing lately but it's booming.
hollow dock
Where's your proof of that? Last time we had a look at the numbers of concurrents was WoD. and it was below 5.
rigid furnace
Oi, I never said unlimited increase to cap. 15 - 50 more based on how many more Races come out with increases to Server Caps.
strange falcon
we dont encourage altoholism
rigid furnace
I haven't quite hit the cap yet personally but in the fullness of time I would. Because as a social activity people like to level with their friends, especially if there's a new shiny race in town. Characters made for the sake of others can really add up quick on top of however many toons people choose to main.
hollow dock
to be fair, Ion brought up a good point
Out of all 50 slots
how many characters do you consistently play?
rigid furnace
Due to decreased motivation in general lately...0. But in my heyday during Legion I guess it hovered between 6-10.
hollow dock
That's Ion's point that he made when asked about it I believe the QnA before this one. He even openly invited people who do play all 50 characters on an account to send him arguments for extending that.
strange falcon
hollow dock
what message?
restive sage
exactly
hollow dock
I should be more specific: what was in the said message?
restive sage
i asked how you get into the beta
hollow dock
Ah. No idea why that got deleted but you get into beta by random invite.
lavish pawn
Luck
hollow dock
or you can get in through a Giveaway the big sites/streamers will host soon
rigid furnace
I suppose my only point is having the capacity to still create when they continue to release more races and WANT people to be leveling up those races. I've been recycling old dead outpost toons into allied races to level but I would eventually reach the end of that list of characters to go through. The increase in Server Slots has allowed me to have 1 of each class per each faction on my main servers as well now.
Though technically I could at 12, I have had some duplicate classes be made in the past.
strange falcon
you're continuing to prove ion's point though
you had "dead outpost toons"
and you're trying to have every class for both factions
which is ridiculous
hollow dock
The point is that if you're not playing those toons already, why not just delete them?
rigid furnace
I mean, not all of them are leveled up to the max. Don't even have a Horde Priest currently.
hollow dock
Even if you had all classes on both factions, then that's what. half of the accounts slots?
rigid furnace
24/50
hollow dock
yea almost exactly half.
the remaining 26 can just be made to levle with friends, remove it when you two hit max and you play on your main with them at that point.
rigid furnace
That's just two servers. The main two that I play. I'm still around 40 total.
strange falcon
you're just having first world problems right now,and exaggerating your issue way more than it needs to be
there is no need to increase the cap from 50
rigid furnace
I'm not really exaggerating it. And I have gone and deleted some over time. I don't delete things that make it to 100 for instance.
hollow dock
Like for me I am capped at 50 nearly at all times, but that's mostly because of name preservation or trials to hunt for rares.
dense plover
and for rp purposes you may want multiple class/race combos
i think raising it to 75 or so isnt unreasonable
wild pewter
Wod was never below 5, lowest it dropped was 7. 😃
hollow dock
but to consistently be at 50 at all times and play all of them is a bit absurd Peach.
hollow dock
As of June 2015, it was at 5.6 mil
sharp bluff
Still impressive
wild pewter
Even if that's the case you just contradicted your previous statement 😉