Yes
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
Yea.
hollow dock
Do you not know what paganism is?
dense plover
oh shit
ruby star
ruby star
😄
hollow dock
Is that the Uldir loading screen? =O
near cosmos
They knew you had left
ruby star
no
meager warren
paganism is any religion that isn't popular basically
ruby star
serpentine
rich apex
That's Temple of Sethrallis
ruby star
tunnels
ruby star
Lol fuck yes
hollow dock
It isn't, Paganism is the worship of nature. What has been denoted as witchcraft in our pop culture. )
dense plover
actually
ruby star
ruby star
hollow dock
Indeed.
dense plover
THEY UPDATED THE BAT MODEL
hollow dock
UPDATED BATS
dense plover
FINALLY
hollow dock
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
dense plover
I KNEW IT HAD TO HAPPEN
wild pewter
NEW BUILD BOYS
dense plover
awww
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dense plover
build is getting rolled back until maintenance is done
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two very different ways of advertising your site
ruby star
@dense plover will datamining pause?
dense plover
probably
ruby star
rip
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its the mount without all its armor
hollow dock
the Fel Bats is what the DHs use
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I certainly hope we can get an armorless version as a mount
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was literally just about to type that, word for word
slate ingot
Beta build was rolled back
asking for well over 200gigs of memory from some of the memory error screens lol
dense plover
actually
i think that bat model
its for the nazmir bat wave
its labeled as bat cloud
uncut vault
it is
dense plover
so its that big wave of bats you see flying out of the tunnel and over nazmir
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but one can still hope for a mount out of it
dense plover
i dont think its going to be a mount, but yes, hope is good
hollow dock
here's hoping they're backlogging that bat model onto all the bats
slate ingot
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2018/april/LoadScreenBoralusDungeon.jpg Boralus looks like it may be making a dungeon appearence soon
hollow dock
ye
dense plover
well we knew it would be a dungeon
hollow dock
Drorith beat ya to these links
strange falcon
@slate ingot there's a dungeon called "siege of boralus"
dense plover
weve been waiting
slate ingot
I know that lol
dense plover
we need that dungeon
ruby star
it is a dungeon
dense plover
and the final zuldazar dungeon
hollow dock
Pfft, loading screens mean nothing.
They'll use the stock vanilla one if they need too.
dense plover
tons of achievement changes
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NEW PhaseableMO: War Campaign - Horde - Chapter 05 - Kul Tiras Flagship
NEW 8.1 Raid
NEW Goblin Ship Final
NEW PhaseableMO: War Campaign - Horde - Chapter 05 - Kul Tiras Ship
dense plover
WQ unlock coming
ruby star
Broaadtcast text
Dat's right, Princess! Ya fight be hopeless... G'huun gonna be free! Once Zandalar lies in ruins, da empire of da Old Gods be risin' again!
dense plover
and also, seems that they are changing legion world quests to have only level as a req
hollow dock
So they do think G'huun is with the other old gods.
dense plover
tons of mounts
hollow dock
Oh how little they know of the power they mingle with.
dense plover
essentially they finally assigned actual mounts to a lot of the models
deaths advance buffed
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oh thank god, theyre starting to pull out some of the jamaican stuff from the text
dense plover
baseline gives a 30% movement speed increase
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maybe now it can fit the accent
hollow dock
Oh shit what
dense plover
but it only lasts for 8 sec instead of 10
hollow dock
Who cares! 30% BASE MOVESPEED
dense plover
also makes you immune to forced movement effects in addition to knockback
hollow dock
OH THAT'S SO GOOD
dense plover
lots of talent changes
corpse explosion is now baseline it seems
so you dont need the little glyph purchase
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interesting, instead of enemy traits, there are mission types
tulip sun
Is there a new build or something?
dense plover
apocalypse might be going baseline
hollow dock
oh shit Khams here. Bye guys
tulip sun
Vris, grow up...
dense plover
"Glyph of the Dolphin (New) Your Aquatic Form now appears as a Dolphin. Minor Glyph. 1.5 sec cast.
Glyph of the Dolphin (New) Your Aquatic Form now appears as a Dolphin. Minor Glyph.
Glyph of the Humble Flyer (New) Your Swift Flight Travel Form appears as your more humble racial flyer. Minor Glyph.
Glyph of the Tideskipper (New) Your Aquatic Form now appears as a Tideskipper Dolphin. Minor Glyph.
Glyph of the Tideskipper (New) Your Aquatic Form now appears as a Tideskipper Dolphin. Minor Glyph. 1.5 sec cast.
Humble Flyer (New) Your Swift Flight Travel Form appears as your more humble racial flyer. Minor Glyph. 1.5 sec cast."
new druid glyphs
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nicwe
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ayyy the humble one is amazing
Ive always liked the original forms over some of them
dense plover
blood fury now increases attack and intellect
its one racial instead of being one that switches based on spec/class
troll racial was buffed
from 15% haste to 20
and lasts 2 sec longer
looks like we might be losing gold on missions maybe?
but in exchange!
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back Azerite from successful missions. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back ink from successful missions. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back ore from successful missions. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back gems from successful missions. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back skins or hides from successful missions. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Decreases mission duration by 0%. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back herbs from successful missions. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back enchanting dust from successful missions. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Increases success chance of missions by 0% for each accompanying troop. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back fish from successful missions. Instant.
Apply Equipment (New) Chance to bring back cloth from successful missions. Instant.
slate ingot
did another update just roll out after the rolback?
dense plover
horde war effort is known as honorbound now
and alliance war effort as 7th legion
a bunch more flight masters were added
also, looks like both kings rest and siege are maybe in this build
slate ingot
that looks like a loading screen for sethraliss
dense plover
8.1 Raid (New) - Directory: ZuldazarRaid. Type: Instance.
uncut vault
I sure hope so
dense plover
zuldazar raid
wonder what that means
might be generic on purpose
looks like a reuse of the riddlers mindworm
but it might just be a placeholder
probably a drop from whatever raid azshara is in
slate ingot
the tooltip yeah
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looks like its a rare drop mount
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NEW Nazjatar Blood Serpent
Monstrous serpents riddled with corruption serve as mounts for N'zoth's high-ranking lieutenants in the Great Sea.
Drop: Adherent of the Abyss
Zone: Stormsong Valley
sharp bluff
Vris what about movespeed?????
tulip sun
O.o
sharp bluff
!!!!!!!!!!
tulip sun
A similar one to boralus maybe
dense plover
01: The Blighted Lands - Name changed from "01: [PH] Setup" to "01: The Blighted Lands". Follow Katherine into Thros, the Blighted Lands.
02: Chasing Shadows - Name changed from "02: [PH] Follow Jaina" to "02: Chasing Shadows". Jaina's image has fled deeper into the Blighted Lands. Follow her.
03: Hide and Seek - Name changed from "03: [PH] Mirror Images" to "03: Hide and Seek". Find Jaina's mirror images, which have hidden throughout the Blighted Lands.
04: Into the Mirror - Name changed from "04: [PH] Save Jaina" to "04: Into the Mirror". Follow Daelin's voice to locate Jaina's real location.
05: Facing Fate - Name changed from "05: [PH] Defeat Boss" to "05: Facing Fate". Defeat the Herald of Gorak Tul and escape from the Blighted Lands.
follow KATHERINE
sharp bluff
Mmmmmm
hollow dock
Thros is named the Blighted Lands?
hollow dock
ah OK. So it's a part of the shadowrealms in the same way that Asgard is apart of Midgard
slate ingot
yeah it does look like kings rest and siege is in the LFG
dense plover
"Oh, well, yeah... user manuals are for schmucks. Newt, we're doing this live!"
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its likely the area of the shadowlands that kul tirans go to, and where their druids draw their power
slate ingot
from reading the notes
dense plover
WERE DOING IT LIVE DAMMIT
hollow dock
zep. WE'RE ALSO IMMUNE TO KNOCK BACKS with this talent!
sharp bluff
Fast DK 😢
hollow dock
DKS ARE BACK ON TOP BABY
uncut vault
yeah thros is definitely a shadowlands realm in kul tiras
sharp bluff
What?????????!
dense plover
"Zandalar forever!"
sharp bluff
Wooooooooooo
slate ingot
on a side note, I can't talk to rastahkan after faction changing as he disappeared lul
sharp bluff
Our time is now VRis! WOOOOO!!!!
sharp bluff
Nice, that seems worth it
jade basalt
Crabs are the next allied race
sharp bluff
Murloc hunter pets? 😛
sharp bluff
God DK speed, the devs do love us
hollow dock
I wanna give those crabs
shanks
Peach where's all this class stuff
I need to read it all now
ruby star
Mmochamp
hollow dock
L I N K S
dense plover
hollow dock
TY
dense plover
cool
hollow dock
Either Apoc needs to be baseline
or they need to rework unholy again
cuz it needs apoc
dense plover
oooo
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ruby star
Looks alright
dense plover
dont know if this was the case before, but you cant follow people now in pvp
hollow dock
Apocalypse (New) Bring doom upon the enemy, dealing [ 40% of Attack Power ] Shadow damage and bursting up to 4 Festering Wounds on the target. Summons an Army of the Dead ghoul for 15 sec for each burst Festering Wound. Requires Melee Weapon. Death Knight - Unholy Spec. Melee range. Instant.
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that blue and white one is gonna be fantastic
dense plover
i think its baseline now
hollow dock
WE'RE BACK BABEH
hollow dock
OH MY GOD
dense plover
its nasty
hollow dock
Finna bust a nut
dense plover
i think our theory was right vris
i think it was made to eat old gods
it clearly backfired
hardcore
hollow dock
Oh 10000%
strange falcon
HARDCORE
dense plover
its literally a giant mouth
hollow dock
It's a mouth attached to a stomach
dense plover
yep
hollow dock
It SOUNDS like a mouth attached to a stomach
dense plover
yep
"My plague cannot be stopped, it already festers within you"
holy shit
we might actually have post-raid lore
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Check out @Wowhead’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/991073507516678150?s=09
dense plover
yogg was big on lying right?
ruby star
Ih whoops
dense plover
what if
ruby star
Was meant to copy the gif link
dense plover
and this is a hypothetical
ghuun worked with yogg to make the curse of flesh
because ghuun brings it up
dense plover
woah
what if we lose?
and nazmir gets transformed?
"I have always been with you"
"Your species exists to feed my growth. I will give your flesh purpose"
hollow dock
What if this breaking out let G'huun root himself?
hollow dock
Like. If my idea is right; the Old Gods function on Biomass spreading like the Flood do. So if a part of G'huun has managed to escape and infect the lands. Begin to grow.
hollow dock
We might have a new Old God to deal with all over again.
dense plover
this canonically gives a time periodto when the alliance appears in nazmir
because we see the death of yazma
languid yoke
dense plover
because it sucked
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hes part of the leveling and the max level alliance war campaign
jade basalt
Brann's involved in the Nazmir experience
hollow dock
15% free haste on a 2 min CD was not bad in any part.
jade basalt
We kill her at the end of leveling
dense plover
he also talks to zul
jade basalt
In the dungeon
hollow dock
Quiet have you listened to G'huun? =D Peach and I might have been right about our theory after all!
uncut vault
yeah brann is probably the alliance's reason to go into kings rest
ruby star
Oooo
dense plover
yeah
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"dwarven constructs wouldnt malfuction like that.... halls of stone didnt count"
dense plover
brann ties in to uldir too
ruby star
Did beta invites get sent out?
dense plover
he goes in ahead of the players
then gets locked in
so he might appear in the raid
hollow dock
Now he might just have knowledge of it and that it made us as we do carry the old god taint, but I think it's a safe place to theorize that he is the reason Yogg was able to make the Curse, or that the two together made the Curse.
dense plover
thats what i was thinking
hollow dock
But since Yogg did take control of Ulduar essentially through Loken, he would have gained knowledge of all the other titan facilities
and their experiments
hollow dock
It's a perfect parasite opprotunity. Take advantage of this mass that can corrupt flesh. Or turn into flesh from materials.
hollow dock
oh man. the implications!
dense plover
oh shit
reorigination drive to pop ghuun like a boil
i dont think thats a good idea
reorigination drive wrecked the jungles of uldum
made it into a desert
ruby star
We should orbital strike him to death
hollow dock
Yes please burst the parasite into smaller parts of itself and wipe out all life around the facility
balmy heart
-listens to the Brann Bronzebeard stuff- Redead... They're only redead if their screams immobilize me & they start humping the life out of me.
hollow dock
Listen to G'huuns stuff for some true nightmare fuel
hollow dock
I'm so very giddy. Like I am actually disgusted by how well they did this so that I can be sick to my stomach.
It's like listening to the Boomer and Gravemind audio spliced together and on loop. Blizzard keeps stealing my heart <3
rich apex
"Nazjatar Blood Serpent
Monstrous serpents riddled with corruption serve as mounts for N'zoth's high-ranking lieutenants in the Great Sea.
Drop: Adherent of the Abyss"
🤔
ruby star
Inb4 anothor underwater zone at somepoint
rich apex
k e k
dense plover
dont think so
more likely a raised area
probably off nazmir
theres the outline of something they were going to do
hollow dock
its a rare spawn Im sure of it
dense plover
then it was erased
rich apex
I'm sure Nazjatar will conveniently be raised up from the sea
dense plover
hopefully when they send the build out again, they add music, and maybe start giving out beta keys
dont think it will be nazjatar
that would just be a big coral-ly city
i mean
maybe it could be the city and the area around it raised from the sea
but if it is raised off the coast of zandalar
that means the next patch would be stuff off the coast of kul tiras
because load screens
rich apex
Eh, can always just give it a separate load screen, like Argus
uncut vault
I mean, its probably going to be in between the two continents
because nzoths location from chronicles is smack in them iddle
rich apex
Oh for sure not
dense plover
and also, each patch expansion of land having a load screen would suck
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even though I doubt we'll get it because not enough patch time, I'd love for crestfall to be involved in the xpac
crestfall as an 8.1/8.2 island where naval conflict takes place would be 👌
ruby star
Crestfall?
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could always do zul'dare and crestfall together
we dont know at this point
used to be a small island north of kul tiras
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nowadays, no, not visually
ruby star
Oh yea few cause so far seems like hardly anything
meager warren
Rastakhan is hawt
silk jewel
thanks man
dense plover
eitrigg vo most likely also has vo related to the wod orcs
silk jewel
were they added?
dense plover
oh the VO is all new
its in the new build
but the new build was pulled back
it will be tomorrow probably
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I like that thalyssra has lost her mourning, unsure tone
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oh I know, shes just a lot more confident and happy sounding now
ruby star
Maybe when it gets put back in more stuff will be datamined?
uncut vault
she used to sound like she was about to cry all the time
dense plover
possibly
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which fit really well
dense plover
so
it seems like the siege of lordaeron
and the stormwind scenario
happen shortly after one another
silk jewel
but in game time Saurfang says it was a while
dense plover
actually
he doesnt anymore
he did
but then they changed it
this might be why
because thalyssra's lines make it sound like they go right after
and that the alliance being back is a surprise
ruby star
Wonder what will happen to old boi saurfang in BFA
Maybe he'll be turned into a murloc
dense plover
maybe he will finally realize his life is worth something
silk jewel
haven't played since new build
okay that makes sense
Slyvanas will die eventually
he will come back
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I mean I expect him and sylvanas to go through what anduin and varian went through
come to a healthy medium between their extremes
slate ingot
dazar'alor is such a step above boralus
silk jewel
maybe he'll join the alliance, not sure just a wild guess lol
ruby star
If saurfang joined the alliance (which he won't) we'd need to dress him in a butler outfit lol
meager warren
uhhh?
silk jewel
lol, hes tooooooo ripped for that
ruby star
@silk jewel thats the point it would be comdeic xD
Saurfang would be a better butler then me sadly
I can't compete at his level
meager warren
i doubt it
Saurfang likes to quell the recalcitrant, it seems
butlers serve them
uncut vault
theres no such thing as too ripped for a butler outfit
silk jewel
It would be funny lol
rich apex
👌
sudden oak
I dont mind giving saurfang to the alliance if its needed for him to wear a playboy bunny outfit
meager warren
I want to see him blue Horde armor with the Alliance lion on the front instead of the Horde symbol
rich apex
orcs
meager warren
Yes that, hyper
sudden oak
cant I kill humans a steal one of them?
meager warren
But with the spikes
rich apex
heh
Remember when that Alliance Saurfang theory was actually only somewhat of a tinfoil theory
Because Mag'har hadn't been confirmed as Alliance
And all the Horde purists were https://i.imgflip.com/x0vjs.jpg
meager warren
@terse patrol halp. Do you know the alliance/ horde armor i'm talking about
silk jewel
ooga
sudden oak
okay now I feel bad about the alliance getting those reputation mounts
they are horses and gryphons in different colors
meager warren
I'm glad we're getti g new rep mounts this expac.
uncut vault
yeah theyre amazing horses and gryphons
gaunt helm
@everyone Whats wrong with PTR?
uncut vault
people have been asking for more of the updated gryphons since MoP
gaunt helm
anyone whats wrong with PTR?
gaunt helm
When do we get it back?
meager warren
Yes
true matrix
several people yes
meager warren
Who doesn't? :khadgarface:
terse patrol
Interesting, they’re bringing back Raleigh the Devout.
He hasn’t been seen since BC.
rich apex
who
terse patrol
Or, technically Vanilla.
The guy who gives Alliance players the quest to stop the Scarlet Crusade.
He’s an ex-member.
rich apex
Where's he in BFA o.O
terse patrol
The Scarlet emissary in Stormwind sends you to him.
Doesn’t say.
But his name is in the datamining.
My guess is Stormsong.
rich apex
Huh
terse patrol
Or he’s a follower
wild pewter
Wow, that's cool. I saw the Alliance commander from Chillwind Camp in the datamined stuff
tawny anchor
To a comment a few minutes ago, I think the Hyena is a neutral mount, since it's from the Vulpera. Who, I believe, are neutral
true matrix
nope, looks like the voldunai are horde-aligned
uncut vault
voldunai are a horde only faction
tawny anchor
I thought they were neutral but yeah no I was wrong. The only other comment I have for the hyena mounts are that there are three other color variations that aren't tied to Voldunai, at least in that post
jade basalt
Ghuun didnt create the Curse of Flesh, it was Yogg-Saron. Just because Ghuun says "you were made by the curse of flesh" doesnt mean he made it, it just means it knows what it did to you. The Curse of Flesh is probably a well known thing in the Old Gods' social entourage.
Il'gynoth, a minion of N'Zoth, also refers to the curse of flesh making us.
sharp bluff
turtles are the neutral ones
jade basalt
And other n'raqi/Old God minions too.
dense plover
So the working theory right now is that ghuun and yogg worked together to make the curse of flesh
Ghuun even says we already have his infection
It’s not retconning to say yogg worked with Ghuun
Or that yogg made one thing and Ghuun Twisted it into its current form
It’s just a theory based on voice lines
The quests in addition to the raid itself will tell us more
Wednesday, May 2nd
MOTHER - Heroic Uldir
13:00 PDT (16:00 EDT, 22:00 CEST)
Vectis - Heroic Uldir
14:00 PDT (17:00 EDT, 23:00 CEST)
Thursday, May 3rd
Mythrax - Heroic Uldir
13:00 PDT (16:00 EDT, 22:00 CEST)
Fetid Devourer - Heroic Uldir
14:00 PDT (17:00 EDT, 23:00 CEST)
Friday, May 4th
Zul - Heroic Uldir
13:00 PDT (16:00 EDT, 22:00 CEST)
Taloc - Heroic Uldir
14:00 PDT (17:00 EDT, 23:00 CEST)
holy shit
6 different boss tests
well
this means we for sure get the build tomorrow
jade basalt
Ghuun also says we wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for it
I don't get how that means or even remotely implies he played a part in creating it.
It just means he knows Yogg's cursed us with flesh. Like other Old God people who know and have told us before.
Is there another quote I'm missing ?
dense plover
no
ghuun specifically says
"I have always been with you"
"Your species exists to feed my growth. I will give your flesh purpose"
i have always been with you
this implies he has been with us since birth
unless we are corrupt outside the curse of flesh
or maybe the curse of flesh is not one single curse
hollow dock
The implication you -can- take is that Yogg has used him or they worked together to make the Curse of Flesh.
jade basalt
Hmm "I have always been with you" is definitely intriguing.
hollow dock
Yogg would have found out about G'huun through loken as he takes over Ulduar so it makes sense.
dense plover
^^^
hollow dock
since all the titan facilities are connected.
jade basalt
No harm in that
dense plover
but that line specifically is very very interesting
and the other VO makes it seem like there will be followup
"My plague cannot be stopped, it already festers within you"
hollow dock
Something else to note is that when Algalon scanned us: We do have old god taint on us.
dense plover
this is where we draw the curse of flesh idea
jade basalt
@hollow dock That's referring to the curse of flesh yeah. Other titan constructs have also deemed us corrupted/tainted.
@dense plover Got it.
dense plover
this is half the reason i cant wait to play around in the beta
hollow dock
Right. But with G'huun stating that he's been with us from the start gives the idea, if not implies, that he has a card to play in the Curse of Flesh
dense plover
i want to make a shadow priest to be able to read what those old god minions say in the different zones
meager warren
The point of the beta isn't to play in it tho. It's to find and report bugs
dense plover
you can do both brah
jade basalt
The end boss of Shrine of the Storm is a n'raqi who yells in Shath'yar but you get the whispers in English at te same time, and his VA is in English anyway
dense plover
oh
that makes sense though
hiding major boss dialogue is bad
but what about side bosses?
also, apparently march of the damned is gone
hollow dock
well yea N'raqi and C'thraxi bosses both have that. But random mobs normally shout in their language with only translations on those that know the language
dense plover
since some of it was integrated into the base talent
jade basalt
Yeah they have always had the English translation in /whisper (see: Dragon Soul raid), but the English VA is new I think, normally they yell nonsense (audibly)
hollow dock
Oh yea that is true. The two in DS do shout in their old god tongue
jade basalt
Yup.
dense plover
also, apocalypse is definitely baseline now
so thats cool
makes sense
it kind of defined how the spec works
wonder what level you get it at
army of the dead is instant now
hollow dock
YAAAAAAAAAAS QUEEN
dense plover
but the ghouls only last for 30 sec instead of 40
hollow dock
Eh thats fine tbh.
hollow dock
Not having to pop it before a fight is much better
dense plover
so its up more frequently
dark transformation was nerfed
20 sec duration -> 15 sec
BUT
death coil now reduces its cooldown by 1 sec
hollow dock
eh that's fine tbh. Without AOE application of Festering wounds it's just going to be a small DPS cd to hit
wait when it's not up or when it's up?
hollow dock
OK so it'll be like dark infusion
dense plover
it reduces the cooldown of dark transformation
festering strike was nerfed
2-3 wounds instead of 2-4
dense plover
it also has a max stack
hollow dock
cuz consistency of applications without overapplying
dense plover
6 stacks max now
hollow dock
now that is a nerf
hollow dock
Nah max is 8 right now. So it's deffos a nerf.
sharp bluff
^
dense plover
raise dead cooldown reduced to 30 sec from 1 min
hollow dock
that's nice. I guess. If your pet randomly dies to an AOE they didn't make pets not die from and all
dense plover
1% increase to dmg for every 2 runic power spent
it used to be lvl 75
its level 100 now
hollow dock
Oh Ok. Sucks for leveling DKs I guess
dense plover
all will serve talent is nerfed
hollow dock
though it is nice that the damage increase per RP spent is baseline now
dense plover
doesnt remove the raise dead cooldown
hollow dock
and not locked onto Valkyr
hollow dock
eh that extra skeleton will always be more trouble than its worth
hollow dock
Oh that sucks.
dense plover
corpse explosion is new
Ghouls summoned by your Army of the Dead and Apocalypse explode when they die, dealing (35% of Attack power) Shadow damage to nearby enemies.
dense plover
this is a talent
dense plover
corpse shield and dark arbiter were removed
hollow dock
Whaaaaaaaaaaaa
uncut vault
they really are just making unholy full on diablo necromancers
hollow dock
why'd they remove my arb
dense plover
death pact is baseline
dense plover
Defile minibuff
If any enemies are standing in the Defile, it grows in size every sec.
hollow dock
Eh.
dense plover
new talent
hollow dock
Thematically that's cool
dense plover
Sudden Doom now triggers 15% more often and stacks up to 2 times.
hollow dock
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
dense plover
lingering apparition and necrosis removed
hollow dock
SD is currently an issue because it doesn't count for Dark Arb's RP buff
since its free casts
dense plover
sludge belcher removed
hollow dock
Yea they took away our aboms :(
dense plover
spell eater changed
Anti-Magic Shell absorbs 30% more magic damage and lasts 5 sec longer.
dense plover
theres just a shit load of unholy changes
it probably feels very good with the new gcd
dense plover
apocalypse is baseline now though
hollow dock
Yea.
dense plover
thats the main artifact ability
hollow dock
That's why there's so many changes to it though. Taking away our arti takes away so much of the specs power
Which is why I was so afraid of it's state post-legion. It's finally contending with frost for the first time since Cataclysm and I dont wanna lose that
dense plover
seems like aquatic form and flight form are separate spells now
though tbh thats probably the behind the scenes stuff
hollow dock
that might just be because of the glyphs
dense plover
new azerite druid power that actually seems decent
Dawning Sun Lunar Strike increases the damage of your Solar Wrath by 154 for 8 sec.
hollow dock
since I know glyphing travel form broke it up
hollow dock
yup and off the GCD I bet
dense plover
beast mastery exotic beasts was moved from level 10 to level 65
thats probably an early game balancing choice
hollow dock
Oh that was moved back to its old level
I dont know any level 10 exotic beasts you can tame anyways tbh
Maybe chimeras?
OH WAIT nevermind
Forgot that the corehound exists
over in uh
dense plover
frost mastery now increases the dmg of frozen orb by a lot
hollow dock
Azuremyst
dense plover
me too
new holy paladin ability
Judges the target, dealing (112.5% of Spell power) Holy damage
Holy (Level 42)
and causing the target to take 30% increased damage from your next Crusader Strike or Holy Shock
Judgement
costs 1 charge
flash of light now costs 20% mana up from 18%
for prot
huh
judgement is also an ability for prot
oh
its the hammer ability
but its been changed a bit
and roll the bones is once again useful
NEW Snake Eyes For each combo point spent on Roll the Bones, it causes your next Sinister Strike to deal 39 additional damage.
azerite power
so even though its rng
theres consistent damage following it
drain life damage was finally buffed
@hollow dock related blue post on unholy changes
fathom hamlet
still no meaningful frost dk changes :/
dense plover
damage can be changed at any point
hollow dock
everyones undertuned for damage
hollow dock
we're talking flow. Unholy is being changed for that, not numbers
dense plover
^
fathom hamlet
I like the unholy changes
hollow dock
they make the spec flow without its artifact
fathom hamlet
nice to see corpse explosion again
hollow dock
Numbers will get chnaged and fluxuate all through beta.
sharp bluff
so I guess since Dark Arbiter is removed the Valkyr will be important this expansion
sharp bluff
yep that is my point
fathom hamlet
Yeah, it is now just gargoyle
sharp bluff
yep, which means Valkyr are going to play a part in the story somewhere is my bet
fathom hamlet
abomination is gone
dense plover
i doubt it
hollow dock
its not Zep
dense plover
the reasoning they gave is they didnt want both gargoyle and valkyr
hollow dock
Bit sad Valkyr is going, but not surprised since it aesthetically didn't fit the theme of Unholy.
We were pretty split internally on Gargoyle vs. Val'kyr. Gargoyle is kind of more classic WoW Death Knight from Naxxramas and Val'kyr is the slightly newer WotLK Arthas Death Knight. We thought Gargoyle fit Death Knight as a playable class, a bit more.
dense plover
^
hollow dock
blue post
to be fair, I dont agree
since we're new age arthas DKs
and not kel'thuzad basic bitches
carmine junco
sadface, but maybe they'll return it via glyph like they did the enhanced demons
for warlock
hollow dock
not even all the enhanced demons came back
sharp bluff
also darn Deaths advance is 45 second cooldown
sharp bluff
doesn't say it is passive though Vris
says the can't be slowed below 70% part is passive
dense plover
theres a mix of changes
sharp bluff
Death's Advance For 8 sec, your movement speed is increased by 30%, you cannot be slowed below 100% of normal speed, and you are immune.
forced movement effects and knockbacks.
Passive: You cannot be slowed below 70% of normal speed.
Cooldown changed from 30 sec cooldown to 45 sec cooldown
sharp bluff
not passive
flat 30% isn't passive
is what I'm saying
which is what we thought
I would like to say, I do like how the KT travel form are the colors of the four season
sorta
not sure which season black would be
but green, red, and white
nice touch
dense plover
ehhhh
it might just be a placeholder
remember
broken isles was called troll raid
dense plover
im pretty sure its a placeholder
it uses the exact same selection of map as the zuldazar finale scenario
its an exact copy of that map
terse patrol
mm
Was hoping the Alliance got a little revenge for the Horde blowing up their ships.
😛
And burning their city
hollow dock
Vengence for teldrassil.
wild pewter
My beta just had an update
hollow dock
A build just came out. Like a few hours ago
wild pewter
😄
slate ingot
beta is still 26491 no? didnt they roll back the build because of the comedic memory errors?
jade basalt
Yes.
meager warren
26491? wat
slate ingot
the current beta ubild
is 8.0.1.26491
they rolled it back from the update because of the comedic memory erros
meager warren
o
slate ingot
basically the assets and such datamined arent on the beta client yet
steel venture
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/729497.jpg
https://78.media.tumblr.com/77f90b17e643c68e666688143f3b06bc/tumblr_inline_p80tj9mgIy1rwxnfk_540.gif
true matrix
meager warren
PartyParrot is amazing
wild pewter
So nothing new on beta at the moment then?
barren igloo
will the dark iron / zandalari allied races be out before launch in august?
sharp bluff
No
sharp bluff
^
barren igloo
also where is the entire list of the upcoming models in bfa
a good amount of them look pretty
digital berry
So what patch are Sethrak becoming an allied race
wild pewter
What actually are "Mission characters" like the ones that have been datamined?
silk sable
i hope kul tiran boomkin form is a kakapo
dapper cosmos
So is the datamined build not live yet?
spiral scarab
Glyph of the Humble Flyer. I'm so happy right now, I've been asking for this glyph for years 😭
drowsy wolf
What does that mean tho?
meager warren
those look shitty
spiral scarab
Mix of old model and bad picture, but yeah. I couldn't be happier to finally be able to use them again
hollow dock
you're excited to use inferior models?
fallow sorrel
@hollow dock Some people like nostalgia, nothing wrong with that.
hollow dock
I hadn't said there was.
spiral scarab
I'm excited to use models that I like, yes.
meager warren
you mean you don't like the new ones?
slate ingot
any decent place to post logs from beta testing?
hollow dock
the world of warcraft beta forums
spiral scarab
I don't dislike the swift flight form.
hollow dock
I dont see the appeal though I am happy that you get to use models that you enjoy
meager warren
^
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8g38wy/pirate_crabs/
i love this crab
one step closer to Davy Jones in Warcraft
rich apex
hollow dock
Bill Nighy's characters are always great.
hollow dock
I thought it was pretty great. Even looked like an actual costume half the time.
meager warren
?
hollow dock
The CGI looked like it was a practical effect half the time.
meager warren
wat
meager warren
i've seen it.
it wasn't very good imo
meager warren
he walked into the room and basically scared the shit out of Will Turner at the end of the movie?
uncut jetty
Can you guys take this to #no-wow-discussion? This is for bfa beta
rustic mountain
I can’t wait to be a dolphin 🐬
near cosmos
War Mode bounties sounds interesting
might promote someone using /3
imagine that, a use for /3 that isn't just SOME PLACE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT IS UNDER ATTACK
clever ember
It’s a nifty idea. Might make world pvp a bit more interesting.
near cosmos
I was already seriously contemplating switching main to Rogue, and this might just have sold me. I'm not stuck in 2006 where rogues were OP in WPvP but the ability to be an arsehole and then get away clean is pretty appealing to me 😛
near cosmos
true, but I play on a PvE realm so the only time I've ever seen it used was when there was a rogue sneaking into Stormwind 😛
if there's a bounty on someone that gives you some form of relevant reward of some description, that will almost definitely get people coordinating in /3
reminds me of the old Lineage II where if you PK (Player Kill) too many times your name would go from white to orange to red, and when you did get murdurated you could possibly drop your gear
hollow dock
well you're on a PVE realm! Course you're not gonna see much PVP action there
near cosmos
hahah yeah I know :P
I just meant to contrast it to the tower PvP quests, I could count on somewhere between 0-1 hands how many times the opposite faction actually showed up to defend
ionic terrace
I'm still wondering what these supply drops are.
hollow dock
If my experience in Hunger games/ battle royal style has given me anything
Theyre likely buffs or temporary use items
dense plover
Actually I think they give war resources and sometimes azerite and other stuff
unique zephyr
belf DK's have blue eyes? 😛
but i know what u mean XD
i'm happy Belfs are getting gold eyes, though!
hollow dock
Most belf dks would have veen high elves at time of raising, but a small few would have been belf DKs as Arthas starts his shenanigans after BC and the whole Sunwell thing
terse patrol
As far as I know, all playable DK Belves were Blood Elves killed during the Scourge invasion pre-Wrath. @hollow dock
hollow dock
Blood elves didnt exist at the time of the invasion.
So if you were killed then and risen, you never took the blood elf path formally. 🤷 the dead cant do shit ya know
sharp bluff
So yep dead High Elfs are on horde lol
rich apex
Clearly the DK high elves chose to remain loyal to their city 
(But srsly, the player DK was supposed to have been killed during vanilla or BC. Thus draenei DKs.)
hollow dock
Yea its been 1 huge inconsistency that dk players just hate.
rich apex
Eh, tough tiddies
hollow dock
Cuz the dialogue yiu get eludes to you dying at the invasion
rich apex
Gameplay mechanics come first
hollow dock
Yea.
rich apex
Does it? Huh
hollow dock
Yup.
rich apex
Still, if they're still choosing Silvermoon over the Alliance
As the large majority of their people did 😛
hollow dock
Yea. Doesnt change my statement tho
rich apex
The diehards seem to forget that the high elves weren't exactly Alliance patriots, for the most part
pre-Scourge high elves, that is
hollow dock
Nah a lot werent
Hence why so many defected
Just the storys different than blizz tells us is all
sharp bluff
I'll agree with the dialogue for the DK starter being weird
Forsaken DK are twice raised
terse patrol
@hollow dock wat
terse patrol
“Blood elves didnt exist at the time of the invasion
Were you even present for the pre patch for Wrath?
lol
The Scourge launches a major invasion of the Alliance and Horde, unleashing the plague on them.
They only stop it when they find a cure for it.
terse patrol
A bunch of people were killed and taken by the Scourge, and made into Death Knights
Playable DKs aren’t from the original invasion.
Those are second generation death knights. Third generation death knights are created between BC and Wrath.
hollow dock
No they aren't? Second Gen dks weren't risen. They were created from vampiric runeblade corruptions. Kel'thuzad and Arthas made the third generation as of Vanilla and into Wrath when we ended up removing both.
and yea I did think when you said 'Scourge invasion' you meant the quel'thalas one
hollow dock
It's the only one I ever think of 🤷
terse patrol
First generation: Gul’dan’s death knights. Orc souls in the corpses of human knights. The idea is later used by Ner’zhul to create the Second Generation death knights, who were created both by runeblade corruption, and the murder and ressurection of certain paladins. Like Zeliek.
Much later, at the end of BC, the Scourge returns.
hollow dock
Yea since you're not giving me that much respect as to know what the four gens are, Ima not do this.
terse patrol
And the Third Generation are born.
The fourth generation is only speculated on, and those are currently Scourge loyal DKs made after the Third Gen went rogue.
sharp bluff
and the fifth gen are powerful again
terse patrol
there is no fifth gen
sharp bluff
5th = new horsemen
terse patrol
I’d say that’s Fourth Gen, maybe.
sharp bluff
idk if it is 4th since new LK for them
terse patrol
Fifth Gen would be whenever the Lich King returns and decides to actively do bad shit.
sharp bluff
and 4th gen I thought were weaker then 3rd
sharp bluff
lol
terse patrol
Ion hinted that allied races might get DK when the Lich King returns again, basically.
I just hope they give us red and green eye choices.
Hate being a blue eyed unholy DK.
strange falcon
sharp bluff
Would be interesting if eyecolor was tied to spec for DK
hollow dock
The Fourth gen is the DKs we are making at hte broken shore tho
Like we are raising new deathknights for the legion campaign.
sharp bluff
Not sure how a lightforged DK would work, but then again, LK is pretty darn strong
hollow dock
only reason we have blue eyes is because of Arthas. Not the magic we use. So that'd be weird.
sharp bluff
I thought Arthus raised a new gen after we went rogue Vris, or was that just new gen 3s?
hollow dock
The ones in Naxx and Icecrown? Still apart of the third generation.
sharp bluff
Ahh ok thanks for the clarification
hollow dock
You seperate off the generations based on who did the raising
Gul'dan made the first generation of deathknights
Nazrethim and the Legion made the Second Generation
Arthas and Kel'thuzad made the third
We make the fourth during Legion
sharp bluff
Ahh ok so horsemen are fourth? Or four and a half? Since we were just a focus for them?
hollow dock
They'd be apart of that fourth generation yes.
sharp bluff
Making sure
hollow dock
not a BFA spoiler but it's a nice touch that they updated the quest for taking the orphan to see Magni.
rich apex
Did they take the kid to see the horrifically crystal frozen Mangi before Legion 🤔
Considering i remember taking a kid to Sentinel Hill
Which was on fire and under attack
hollow dock
Yea. they do.
You saw Magni there stationed as a diamond since cata. But now in legion it got a small update for consistency
rich apex
Why does anyone trust a murderhobo with a small child
hollow dock
Because we're heroic murderhobos
Idk
Why did this orphan matron think trusting a child with a deathknight was a good idea
terse patrol
Uuna loves my death knight.
My death knight is her light.
We’re both undead together.
hollow dock
same
terse patrol
I like to imagine my DK’s cold dead heart is warmed slightly by her adopted goat ghost kid.
hollow dock
that's what my DK is doing. She got that instinct to protect this smol little lamb.
sharp bluff
Same here
My Dk refuses to let her near priests
Don't forget our murderhobo carried around a baby Tauren in Legion Hyper
sudden oak
why not, we love ghost kids as much as anyone
sharp bluff
and if the datamining is correct, we take children on field trips to battles in BFA