thats all
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
mortal zephyr
yes you can
dense plover
wowhead is not an official site
balmy ingot
what means BNL?
mortal zephyr
Battlenet
balmy ingot
oh you can yes battlenet
balmy ingot
it is auth0
https://dev.battle.net/ OAUTH LOGIN
Time to crack open a can of awesome with Blizzard's OAuth 2.0 service. Get user authentication set up in a flash with our docs and premade authentication modules.
it is frree
mortal zephyr
you just did provide a link, go look at the convos
balmy ingot
development can use oauth login
dense plover
no
balmy ingot
you can just use battlenet
dense plover
thats wow forums you moron
meager warren
^
dense plover
literally the blue tracker
is wow forums
it tracks blue posts there
any blue post made
auto shows up on the tracker
mortal zephyr
and you can interact throug WH you dumbasses
mortal zephyr
yes
dense plover
you literally cant
mortal zephyr
i did it last night
balmy ingot
if you click SOURCE #1 then it linked to forums
dense plover
why not write out your made up process?
mortal zephyr
you don't need to click anything. use your WH account and post a question on a blue post
meager warren
lmao
dense plover
you fucking cant you idiot
true matrix
🤦
meager warren
give us a step-by-step tutorial on posting through the blue tracker
balmy ingot
not from official by blizzard
meager warren
if you can do that, we'll take you seriously
mortal zephyr
YES YOU FUCKING CAN you dumbass. I did it and so has 300 plus others have too just on the BFA BETA
dense plover
yeah
meager warren
obviously you haven't
meager warren
^
meager warren
^
dense plover
blue posts are on the wow forums
mortal zephyr
fuck you asshole I DID IT whether you like it or not
meager warren
you didn't
dense plover
take a screenshot
balmy ingot
@dense plover i think he tought that wowhead from blizzard too because look that
dense plover
show us
dense plover
yeah we explained that already though
balmy ingot
it is true 0auth like i said too
dense plover
this guys head is filled with mud
balmy ingot
ya i know
balmy ingot
everyone can use 0auth same as google. ppl can register with google account at different site.
oak wraith
Are we talking about the BfA beta?
dense plover
no
oak wraith
ok
meager warren
anyway, can we talk about why darkspear trolls don't have straight-backs
dense plover
and you cant chat with blues via wowhead
balmy ingot
When you log in with Battle.net, your password goes directly to Blizzard, and Wowhead cannot see it.
dense plover
because that isnt a thing
meager warren
but mag'har and durotar orcs do
oak wraith
That goes in the #bluetracker channel.
balmy ingot
so wowhead is not 100% powerful control to battle.net
it means also not official by blizzard 😃
dense plover
dark spear dont get upright because their animations are based around the hunch
orcs just use a shift of the skeleton
true matrix
man, some people
meager warren
don't the zandalari trolls have the same animations tho
dense plover
no
meager warren
ok
dense plover
zandalari use a mix of unique/nelf/troll animations
meager warren
interesting 🤔
dense plover
walk is night elf
some attacks are night elf
others are troll
others seem to be unique
balmy ingot
zand troll looks too much cool than orginal troll.
mortal zephyr
ALL the white posts on the blue tracker are through wowhead and will be answered by Blizzard so YES, the blue tracker is linked to WH and blizzard
mortal zephyr
yes they are dude
dense plover
click the source button
balmy ingot
blue tracker linked to ONLY blizzard.
mortal zephyr
you don't need to click the source link dude
balmy ingot
seems like Gartong dont know how works from Webdevelopment.
dense plover
take a fucking screenshot then
if it is what you say it is
take a screenshot
or fuck off
meager warren
^
dense plover
we dont take kindly to liars 'round these parts
meager warren
pics or it didn't happen, gartong
dense plover
^
proper pendant
Wowhead isnt an official site in the same way that a beat writer for a sports team isnt officially part of the team
mortal zephyr
If WH isn't an official site than why did blizzard give a API to them to link to your battlenet account to login?
dense plover
rule of the internet
meager warren
'cause
meager warren
^
balmy ingot
yep
mortal zephyr
NOPE
dense plover
yes
meager warren
lol
balmy ingot
API is free development can ask to blizzard
sullen dagger
yep
true matrix
wowhead is NOT an official site oh my god
meager warren
should we call sas on this t roll
true matrix
you absolute cactus
dense plover
mortal zephyr
Sorry but it is
dense plover
literal link
sullen dagger
proper pendant
Are they official
dense plover
to access all blizz apis
proper pendant
Lul
meager warren
it literally isn't, idiot
dense plover
you are a brick wall
meager warren
^
mortal zephyr
yes they are official
balmy ingot
https://dev.battle.net/ is official yes lol
proper pendant
Go away emmet gulley
mortal zephyr
fuck you
balmy ingot
if Gartong is teen then i 'll understand
meager warren
<3
balmy ingot
or kid
dense plover
clearly not
mortal zephyr
you kids don't know shit
meager warren
i don't think i was that stupid when i was 12
dense plover
they have an adult as their profile pic /s
true matrix
if that's a photo of himself in his pfp then he's just a dumb old man lmao
dense plover
yep
mortal zephyr
I am 46 with dev experience
dense plover
going with 13 year old
balmy ingot
well discord conntected too battlenet. so you think discord is also from blizzard?
dense plover
clearly a 13 year old
jade basalt
<@&299347348847329281> it's that channel again
meager warren
lemme guess, you're a stereotpical redneck
proper pendant
Battle.net owns discord. Its the deepstate
dense plover
youre a person who wont listen to everything we have said
true matrix
blizzard owned everything all along 
meager warren
anything*
proper pendant
Blizzard owns the united states government
proper pendant
The api is already in the white house!
balmy ingot
lmao @proper pendant
mortal zephyr
not full redneck. i use API's all the damn time and you do need permission before you use them to link anything. That is common knowledge throughout the dev communities
true matrix
permission =/= owned by the company
balmy ingot
yes you need to premission. but why need premission by same company? duh
proper pendant
If a company makes their api public they give explicit permission for people to use it
That said it can be revoked
dense plover
literally the only permission you need
is to make an account
and sign a thing making you liable
and saying that blizzard has the right to revoke
thats it
no waiting for permission
mortal zephyr
so, with that being said. the blue tracker on WH is offcially a part of the WH site as a whole
balmy ingot
ya it called as 0auth. same as you can register with facebook account. it is same way from battlenet.
dense plover
proper pendant
dense plover
the blue tracker is a wowhead implementation of a blizzard api
all it does is track forum posts made by blues
balmy ingot
Gartong thinks Wowhead steals blizzards.
dense plover
and then white post is the person who made the original post
click the source button
youll see
proper pendant
I havent seen someone get owned this badly since the last time prez tweeted
mortal zephyr
I am not trolling, and it's obvious you don't know anything about Api's
meager warren
it's like saying Google owns facebook when they're obviously fdifferent
dense plover
have you even looked at the website?
meager warren
^
dense plover
proper pendant
No bullshit
dense plover
click the link
proper pendant
Do you actually know what it is
rotund sorrel
hello
rotund sorrel
what are you guys doing
mortal zephyr
Blizzard gave ZAM permission to use the API to link the forums WITH the ability to post through WH
dense plover
he seems to think wowhead is official
rotund sorrel
okay okay okay I'm going to stop this here
dense plover
and blue posts on wowhead are where you talk to blues
proper pendant
They post thru the white house?
rotund sorrel
and say, if it's not about spoilers, then get out of this channel
rotund sorrel
then it shouldn't be in here
dense plover
balmy ingot
0auth api of dev.battle.net
rotund sorrel
so please move channels
balmy ingot
Gartong click general-offtopic
so tomorrow Q&A about bfa. i hope it will be info about blood fury racial y orc.
dense plover
unlikely
its going to focus on beta
questions people asked about the two races
the raid
the last two dungeons maybe
azerite and class and gcd complaints
rich apex
in before Ion tells the GCD whiners to take a chill pill
balmy ingot
but idont understand why they put right now about Beta because.. it is not finish yet..
balmy ingot
true but beta you still can play stuffs with less bugs. but alpha did show a lot bugs.
dense plover
yeah but BfA already has 3x what warlords had
balmy ingot
so bfa gonna clone of WoD? lol
sullen dagger
beta = product not finished
sullen dagger
wat
balmy ingot
PTR is doing also test stuffs. for patch. but beta is big one test.
sullen dagger
kinda, yes, but the idea is that bfa aint no clone of wod, or legion, it's a new expansion made with the same team as legion or WOD has been made
and beta means unfinished product,
balmy ingot
yes
i know that is unfinished product cuz 10 aug starts 😛
i just find weird because alpha is doing to new build stuffs and big bugs to fixed and so. but it feels like too earlier to have beta.
i tought may or juni will be beta.
sullen dagger
beta and alpha it0s kinda de same, the only thing that changes usually at least in wow, it's the amount of people involvd in the testing
sullen dagger
but they still will do the weekly patch
mortal zephyr
The BFA Beta, according to several blues from Blizzard, will be released to the PTR after the initial test run.
balmy ingot
it is hard to believe Gartong.
mortal zephyr
They are sending invites massively more on BFA than the last 2 expansions
oak wraith
The PTR won't get the beta build, but will (at some point) get the 8.0 build we'll have on the live servers.
mortal zephyr
YES, the beta build will go to PTR, There is a post on the forums indicating this
dense plover
actual content will never be on ptr
8.0 prepatch goes to ptr
beta build does not
it never has
it never will
meager warren
what post are you talking about, Gartong?
balmy ingot
PTR will doing after 10 aug. but now first beta to have finish.
dense plover
^
you will see builds with content post-expac launch'
but before that, the ptr will only have the prepatch
which is class changes, balance stuff
etc
mortal zephyr
Mrpeach, quit trying to act like you know shit because you are wrong on this one 100%. Madness, Both the blue and the yellow beta announcements have blue replies stating what i said. You can click on the Beta now live announcements on WH
dapper cosmos
Link it
meager warren
if peach is really wrong, it should be incredibly easy to prove it
balmy ingot
live annoucements also by mmo-champion.
true matrix
just link it dude
meager warren
link it
dense plover
Aloha!
With maintenance on the test realms, we're bringing up the BFA Beta test today. For those of you who tested the Alpha with us, you can expect a clean slate with regard to characters.
For those of you just joining us, thank you for testing! Please have a look at our various subforums for Beta discussion:
BFA Beta General Discussion (this one)
BFA Beta Bug Report
BFA Beta Zones and Leveling
BFA Beta Dungeons, Island Expeditions, and Raids
BFA Beta Items and Classes
BFA Beta Warmode and PvP
We greatly appreciate you posting on-topic in each of these forums.
thats not ptr
oak wraith
I got this:
dense plover
thats beta realms
oak wraith
dense plover
those are not the same
oak wraith
in my launcher. The top one was Alpha, now switched to Beta. the PTR is still the PTR.
dense plover
^
oak wraith
(version 7.3.5)
dense plover
theres nothing about ptr getting beta builds
balmy ingot
i know beta and ptr are not same but Beta is almost closer by finish but still need to have help by players to testing and to find bugs.
ptr is just small one. but finish product. still DLC.
mortal zephyr
LOL
balmy ingot
i think it is not topic about beta spoilers.. so i need to again in general off topic lol
meager warren
gives sketchy excuse about why he can't
steel venture
mortal zephyr
God damn are you people dumbasses. After the initial run, the beta will go to the Public test realm so the people who didn't get invites can test and play it. They did it with MoP and with WoD
true matrix
[citation needed]
meager warren
lol
steel venture
You mean the PTR goes to the prepatch?
dense plover
theres literally nothing there about ptr
meager warren
^
balmy ingot
Originally posted by Blizzard (View Original)
steel venture
Because no BETA has ever been on the PTR.
balmy ingot
it is not from wowhead
proper pendant
Hes gotta be trolling
meager warren
BETA =/= PTR
proper pendant
No way
dense plover
too dumb to be trolling
oak wraith
orcing?
proper pendant
He thinks beta and ptr are the same
dense plover
i guess?
oak wraith
My hard drive disagrees...
balmy ingot
who? o.o
dense plover
i didnt know they let literally anyone into the beta
true matrix
"ptr" isn't even ON that entire page
steel venture
<@&299347348847329281> ... I can't even anymore. Can we 🔨 him? ;;' He's disrupting multiple channels now.
dense plover
^
mortal zephyr
Nile, MoP beta WAS on the PTR because i played it for like 3 weeks before the actual expansion came out
dense plover
yeah no it wasnt
rotund sorrel
why are we back on here?
dapper cosmos
^
balmy ingot
Onyx Gartong made again mistaken topic that is why it started to again happen.
night swift
Not bfa's beta
meager warren
"stop lying to onyx"
oh hun
dense plover
he doesnt understand that BfA beta wont ever come to ptr
because thats not the same
mortal zephyr
and it IS the BFA beta
dense plover
then he linked the wowhead post
true matrix
beta =/= PTR
true matrix
beta =/= PTR
mortal zephyr
Mr peach, a lot of us WOW vets know otherwise
dense plover
lol
oak wraith
blinks
night swift
🤔
dense plover
from someone that doesnt know how to click the source button
balmy ingot
Alpha -> beta -> PTR it is step to way development testing
rotund sorrel
It would be great if all parties took a break from discussing this
oak wraith
deletes text
dense plover
okay
mortal zephyr
I clicked on the source button on the white lettered post and it kept me on WH, where the white lettered post was made from. ROTFLMAO at your stupidity
meager warren
anyway, darkspear trolls should get straight back
proper pendant
Yikes.
dense plover
wow
proper pendant
2008 status.
dense plover
great job listening to a mod bro
balmy ingot
Gartong you did maybe enable blocked of pop-up
proper pendant
Ok im done
night swift
bruh now youre just insulting people
steel venture
Darkspear won't get straight backs--also yikes you ignored a mod.
night swift
At least attempting to
balmy ingot
try alt+click at source link
balmy ingot
then it will be new tabs
meager warren
we all want him to be banned
oak wraith
Can we get back to discussing straight orcs and trolls?
polar sedge
straight worgen pls
steel venture
Anyway, Darkspear won't get straight backs due to the fact that it isn't apart of jungle troll culture to stand upright around peers typically.
balmy ingot
well worgen is not anymore popular races right now.
proper pendant
So i say no to straight worgen
steel venture
They hunker down somewhat out of respect to the other races, since they tower over them.
dense plover
darkspear were confirmed to be not getting an upright position
polar sedge
lol
oak wraith
Yep. And orcs can go to the barber to switch stances.
polar sedge
why do female worgen have straight backs but not males ?
dense plover
ask forsaken?
oak wraith
Same for trolls?
jaunty raven
Staalsy hahahaha
steel venture
Zandalari view themselves as the most powerful, the most noble, and most important trolls. So hence why the males stand upright.
dense plover
and orcs
proper pendant
Female worgen are an abomination
dense plover
its literally a common thing
proper pendant
They are SO ugly
dense plover
worgen redo is planned for sometime during BfA though
polar sedge
female worgen wouldnt be as bad if it just wasnt for the face
steel venture
I wouldn't count on it.
proper pendant
Just give me zandalari paldins 
steel venture
Remember when they said it was coming in WoD? Then in Legion? Then in BFA?
polar sedge
Idk i dont think worgen redos are on blizz's priorty list at all :(
dapper cosmos
Did they actually confirm that we'd be getting the rework with BfA?
steel venture
"We plan on it."
proper pendant
They look really terrible compared to the new races
jaunty raven
they need to do a worgen undo and remove them from the game
meager warren
tbf, we're not in BfA yet
proper pendant
Goblins look better
polar sedge
Noo i love my worgen
sullen dagger
worgen redo would be awesome
steel venture
Like how "We planned on it during WoD and Legion but didn't."
So I have no clue if we'll actually totally get 'em done now still, I'm expecting end of BFA honestly.
And likely shipped as an "Allied Race" with how things are going.
proper pendant
They dont even need a new skeleton
oak wraith
Ghostcrawler promised me a pony! And a dance studio! 😉
dense plover
and model updates
oak wraith
Did you ever see the original Troll ladies?
true matrix
@proper pendant male worgen are gay culture
balmy ingot
worgen is very unique because you can be human and worgen. but racials is big problem i think so?
steel venture
Genn's rendered cinematic model is an HD male worgen.
jaunty raven
the original troll grills were just phs tho
they were never gonna be actually released
they were a legit spor character
steel venture
Hence why he has actual movable lips and an expressive face.
meager warren
the body and the heads need work imo
proper pendant
Vulpera is every furries wet dream
balmy ingot
XD
polar sedge
female worgen head needs work
meager warren
and male's
balmy ingot
i dont think Vulpera will be play char.
proper pendant
Maybe not
polar sedge
I think the actual head shape for male is ok
proper pendant
But who knows
steel venture
Male and female worgen are both awful, riddled with clipping issues and animation errors.
meager warren
the shape is okay but the eternal snarl is awful
polar sedge
yeah
meager warren
same
steel venture
The appearance of worgen that went live was rushed, and half-completed.
proper pendant
But if they arent i wont die
polar sedge
I like vulpera but i cant get past the goblin type skeleton lol their arms are too lon g
jaunty raven
worgen casting looks like theyre drunk as f
steel venture
As the Alpha versions for both males and females had customization that matched their human forms far better, and did not have as animation errors.
jaunty raven
gay worgen alcoholic mage
steel venture
as many* * goodness me.
proper pendant
Does the black human skin still turn into the lightest worgen
balmy ingot
worgen have most racials to trying make ppl made worgen char.
steel venture
... I can check.
proper pendant
If it does thats hilarious
meager warren
lemme RP as Genn
proper pendant
God genns human model
polar sedge
no it doesnt
balmy ingot
boss of worgen is damn cool
polar sedge
i just checked
proper pendant
Is still so good
balmy ingot
bodyguard of prince.
polar sedge
It isnt the lightest, its brownish
proper pendant
Ah
meager warren
Genn's human model 🍆 ❤
polar sedge
jaunty raven
@meager warren would you bang genn if half way through he turned worgen and had to finish as worgen
dense plover
can we not>
steel venture
the darkest female worgen color on the other hand is a pitiful shade of tan on their human form
balmy ingot
i think future horde will have undead human cuz syl have bodyguard undead human hunter.
meager warren
no
steel venture
as shown here.
steel venture
Remember when worgen were supposed to get mane colors in worgen form? Pepperidge farm remembers.
balmy ingot
i was playing at worgen. but it didnt feel to play worgen after in 1 week..
it feel uncomfortable
steel venture
The alpha model had SO many better ideas going for it than bland werewolf.
rotund sorrel
Let’s not talk about NSFW stuff here
polar sedge
i would probably get sick of the worgen model if i wasnt a feral druid.. i only see it when im on mounts and stuff
sullen dagger
a thing i dont like is that they tranform as soon as they enter in combat
dense plover
yeah
it would be nice if the transform took time before being forced
or if it was a toggle
balmy ingot
huh is worgen NSFW?
dense plover
no, but what was being discussed was heading towards it
polar sedge
have you ever tried using running wild and running right after clicking two forms? looks very broken
balmy ingot
it looks like as transformers
dense plover
its a result of the stuff they tried to do
balmy ingot
not too smooth
dense plover
but not having the tech to do it
with their tech now?
they can totally pull off a smooth animation
steel venture
You know that worgen literally have their ears clip into their head with Running Wild?
It's pretty bad.
balmy ingot
it should be nice if they r working remodel worgen.
dense plover
they are
steel venture
They just, ZOOP right into their skull.
balmy ingot
they r already remodel?
dense plover
its just coming soon(tm)
balmy ingot
BFA is working many remodels
most graphic from overwatch.
well i mean same as designer. and color
@dense plover thank you for a lot reply of my qeustion. i think time to sleep.
mortal zephyr
The beta is live now with the invite stage in progress. several vets both on FB and on the forums have confirmed that BFA beta will make it to the PTR like MoP did and also WoD did. Betas
dense plover
so
meager warren
<@&299347348847329281>
meager warren
peach don't react
rotund sorrel
sigh
rotund sorrel
just let it gooooo
dense plover
okay
rotund sorrel
I don't see why you guys need to argue about this when you'll find out soon enough
mortal zephyr
Hey, I'm going by what the blues have said onyx, it's not my fault these guys don't believe me. 🙂
jovial coral
If they are reworking worgen maybe we'll see nelf worgen down the line
dapper cosmos
As much as some people don't like that, I think that would be really awesome to get
west relic
🤯
jovial coral
Yeah some think they would not look different from human worgen
uncut vault
upright worgen pls
ruby star
High Elves and Wildhammer Dwarves plz 😄
steel venture
Looks way more like the classic "wolfman" and more true to the old vanilla worgen.
jovial coral
Where's the neck?
meager warren
Between the ears and the mane
jovial coral
I imagine these ones would not be able to do the running wild racial
uncut vault
Id say its somewhere in the neck area
steel venture
yeah prime still had a hunch too, hence the odd positioning.
you can see the side of his neck muscles there fine
strange falcon
dense plover
i dont think its that big of a deal
like
the main issue is classes with lots of buffs
strange falcon
mate,i'm a bringer of memes
dense plover
although apparently GCD doesnt matter for balance druid
strange falcon
my opinions dont matter when i have to carry memes
uncut vault
my opinion is that Im not too ticked off over the GCD changes, but if they want to make less burst windows, remove some of the burst
dont make it unfun
dense plover
you cant even get energy from it outside of a raid
or a boss
so its worthless for combat in the world
which is what it was good for before
strange falcon
new moon talent is supposed to be the artifact ability for balance drood,
dense plover
its like they thought we wanted dmg and not energy generation
yeah
and it sucks
because the energy gen mechanic of the talent is worthless
the point before was to be able to generate a lot of energy then spend it on starsurges and such
strange falcon
i think they nerfed the talent version of that ability
dense plover
but now you cant
strange falcon
too much
dense plover
because its on a 30 sec cooldown after each cast
yes
they couldve lowered the dmg
instead of doubling the cooldown
jade basalt
If you had read the comics you would've noticed that Gilnean worgen and Pack worgen do actually look the same. That art just depicts a muscly and scarred one with Horley's style, it's not meant to represent a different looking breed of worgen.
It's not even remotely 'more true to the Vanilla worgen' either, that one was way more slender and with a thinner head and had Edward Cissorhand hands
meager warren
or they could have increased the dmg and lowered the cooldown
south seal
Uhh.... 
olive mirage
yeah, all map addons dont work in the beta
cause they changed all that stuff under the hood
id suggest just turning off all addons for the beta
very few actually work im pretty sure
south seal
Also lol 
tulip sun
meager warren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqK3_8QXY04
Nobbel should do something like this
true matrix
that thumbnail alone exudes a deeply unsettling aura of entitlement
mortal zephyr
The entire interface has changed. wanting to see what it looks like
tropic trail
nobble does lore, not gameplay
true matrix
I think there's enough youtubers that analyse gameplay elements, I'm pretty happy with nobbel focussing on lore. it's his Thing.
olive mirage
i mean, the 3 things listed as not wanting, is what every MMO does to extend a games longivity
if a player gets everything in a month, what is there to keep them playing?
and constant content updates could be terrible for new players or alts, constantly having to catch up to only realize theres now even more you have to do to be on par with end game content
meager warren
you don't want constant content updates yet you don't want people to complete everything in a month...
seems odd
true matrix
RNG and grinding are core aspects of the MMO experience
olive mirage
MMOs need a reason to keep players playing
meager warren
well yes
but if the only reason for players to keep playing is grinding and rng, something's wrong
olive mirage
name an MMO where that isnt the case
true matrix
get better gear to take on more challenging tasks to get better gear to take on more challenging tasks to get better gear to... etc.
Pure MMO Essence™
meager warren
^
but it would be better if that wasn't all there was to it
"oh yes, lemme just spend the next two hours or so constant grinding"
meager warren
and what are the micro holidays if not more grind?
olive mirage
fun random events that dont actually have any grinding 
like the pub crawl, you just teleport to random bars across the game and drink
olive mirage
how is that grinding
meager warren
it's going from one place to the next just to do some minor task
olive mirage
you wanted something other then grinding
meager warren
and i mean
meager warren
let's see...
grinding involves...
- collecting achievements
- collecting mounts
- collecting pets
- collecting mogs
- completing expacs
- Aquiring gold
what else is there
olive mirage
i dont get what your getting at
i mention something that isnt grinding
then you ignore it and mention grinding
olive mirage
but its not grinding
meager warren
then again, i suppose lore isn't grind
oh yes because going to a bunch of bars for miniscule reward isn't grindy
olive mirage
there is no reward
meager warren
at least buy me a drink first
olive mirage
its purely just because you can
olive mirage
i dont get how thats grinding
you go to dalaran, gnome wizard lady teleports people to a random bar
look around for like, 3 minutes, she teleports you to another bar
meager warren
eh.
agree to disagree
true matrix
yeah sorry arson but the microholidays aren't grinding. grinding implies you're working towards something. microholidays are just something fun to do for the heck of it. no achievements or rewards beyond like a temporary buff.
also grinding is repetitive or high time investment
meager warren
i feel like microholidays fulfill both of those
true matrix
not at all. microholidays are super short and only come around maybe a couple times a year each so it's not really possible to spend more than a certain amount of time on them.
meager warren
ok
true matrix
and like I said, there's no rewards. just because something might be boring doesn't mean it's a grind.
cinder knoll
I think that guy has no idea what grind means...
calling everything he don't like grind
on a side note, why is he even playing WOW then?
frigid umbra
lets explain... grinding means: doing something extremely repetitive and mind numbing that you can actually auto pilot it while watching your favorite show on the other monitor or tv. farming is not grinding. killing the same mobs in a specific area over and over and over to lvl up is grinding. doing a weekly run of aq for ex for gold is farming, not grinding.
cinder knoll
ye thats pretty much how I define grind 😃 or old school farming reps etc
not what he said
tropic trail
does the patch 8.0 affects darnassus portal spell for mages that passes 110?
near cosmos
no that would be playing a shadow priest in levelling dungeons pre-7.3.5
"here let me just cast shadow wo... oh okay everything is dead. great."
/follow
on a serious note, I would imagine the mage spell would put you either in the pre-8.0 phase or it would put you next to a bronze dragonflight member (the phase NPC) in a small safe area in the ruins somewhere
tropic trail
I just asked on the wow forum but apparently they probably removing it since there's exodar but however they said it's possible to be teleported at Lor'danel since that's where the boating are being routed now
steel venture
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
think of it this way
we still have
portal / teleport theramore
despite it also being destroyed by lore
tidal lynx
Still waiting to sell my soul for BFA Beta.
tropic trail
That true @steel venture
sharp bluff
Sorry due to the sudden influx of souls for that very reason, Helheim has an influx of souls, the current exchange rate is at least 2 dozen souls for that
And countless nethershards
south seal
Nah the proper trade is 4.9k apex crystals, 900 runestone shards, slaying a demon lord, and a severed arm of an orc. 
short herald
How does Enhance shaman feel in beta?
mint arch
... i need dat miku kappa emote o.o
sharp bluff
ahhh the arm of an orc? which color Shoadowolf?
mint arch
... i need dat kizuna kappa emote o.o
livid turtle
So orcs are given a posture option in creation to stand up straight, are they doing the same for trolls later on? Cause they really need it.
terse patrol
They want to differentiate Jungle Trolls from Zandalari.
tranquil steeple
Nop, not for Darkspear (playable trolls)
livid turtle
But we will get them as a allied race later on right?
sharp bluff
Darkspear keep hunch, they said they would not change that
terse patrol
We’re getting Zandalari as an allied race.
livid turtle
That will have to suffice I supose
terse patrol
I like the Jungle Troll hunch.
livid turtle
What about a engineering back brace for jungle trolls?
terse patrol
my fingers are crossed that the Dark Troll lore in the Alpha/Beta is a joke.
If it’s not a joke, I’ll be mad.
livid turtle
I haven’t done too much yet. This came out as I’m in the middle of catching up on another game that was backlogged.
Is the grey leader of the guards a dark troll? Or was he a blood?
terse patrol
who
livid turtle
Can’t remember his name. He’s the guy who wanted to kick you out as soon as you arrive with the princess
sharp bluff
Nelfs
terse patrol
Most of them became Night Elves.
The rest were allowed to stay in Ashenvale/Hyjal by the Night Elves. Grom Hellscream then killed a bunch. Then the Burning Legion. Then the Twilights Hammer.
Hence why I say it’s silly when people say they’d join the Horde if they still existed.
wild pewter
Anyone else watching the Dev Q&A?
mint arch
me
actual questions being asked
actual answers
he addressed high elves thank god
fcking ppl need to understand that blizzard will NEVER give high elves as is to alliance cause they are basically blood elves in look and style
so we get void elves as its different enough for blizzard
wild pewter
^
true matrix
glad to see that one finally put to rest
wild pewter
I've had to switch off Twitch chat for it, it's always toxic af on these streams
mint arch
go to sloot's channel
calm chat, actual talking about the questions/answers
main channel is just legacy kids and memes
wild pewter
Thanks! 😄
mint arch
LOL, horde is evil question
wild pewter
It was a very good answer to the question though
terse patrol
@mint arch I’d be happy to compromise if they gave Void Elves a couple more “human” skin colors to them.
terse patrol
Well, to compromise more, they need to add some more goth clothes to dress my Velf in.
mint arch
ya, more work on all races tbh
uncut vault
They chose the most non committed answer, they’re gonna keep getting high elf requests till they’re playable
mint arch
ppl will always request it even if blizzard say a direct no
imo, their reasoning is fine, high elves would just be blood elves
and that wouldn't work well being on both factions
the GCD answers
he made some fair points
strange falcon
@hollow dock did you hear the news :DDD
mint arch
for example, dumping ur cds for dps but then boss targeting u and u waste it all
but the personal loot part... its still
strange falcon
trust me,you DONT want to see corrupt loot councils
terse patrol
I bet you when the Horde and Alliance war ends for good, they’ll add blue eyes for blood elves.
hollow dock
stop calling me here. Im not welcome.
strange falcon
contact lenses
mint arch
for majority of ppl, personal loot = loot system is a non-issue
just idiots memeing about it
ruby star
@uncut vault Ion is ignorant.
dense plover
lol
no he isnt
he was spot on with the stuff about the GCD
and the void elf high elf stuff
tropic trail
was there Anything Big or Important from the q&a or no?
dense plover
not particularly
tropic trail
Ok i didnt think so
tropic trail
thats dumb
dense plover
no
they are being taken OFF
not put on
their entire purpose is to flee at a split second
they are also looking at the amount of buffs fury warriors have
because its dumb
terse patrol
vulpera and sethrak when
tropic trail
No No NO Disengage...NEEDS GCD...
they are making the game too easy
IT NEEDS TO BE HARD otherwise its not fun
dense plover
i hope you are being sarcastic
spiral silo
ruby star
@dense plover yes he is, He is very ignorant when it came to High Elves question
he shits on all the Alliance fan base
dense plover
lol
that wasnt an ignorant answer
it was a true/pr answer
they just added two new elf races
more elves definitely arent on the short list right now
Also,
you essentially said "I dislike his response, so its wrong"
true matrix
"shits on all the alliance fanbase" 
terse patrol
I think it’s still on the table, but definitely not in BFA.
true matrix
GHOSTCRAWLER PROMISED ME A PONY HIGH ELF
uncut vault
I mean it wasn’t a no, which is all the answer needed
dense plover
yeah b/c apparently all alliance want high elves
uncut vault
IMO people campaigned for high elves too early
terse patrol
If they do like what I think they’re going to do, and shift things towards Shadow vs Light, they’ll likely add blue eyes for blood elves.
uncut vault
I don’t expect, or really want high elves any time soon
dense plover
and just add more customization to void elves
uncut vault
I want them in an xpac that can give them relevance
dense plover
maybe some high elf style hair and tattoos for void elves
terse patrol
If they do add new hair styles, I want some more. . . fancy hairstyles.
Lots of braids and curls.
uncut vault
I just want the amazing void elf male combover on belfs/helfs
rich apex
Wow can you believe Blizz didn't completely change their months in advanced Allied Race schedule because of a forum petition
ruby star
@dense plover ignorant
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Ion is shitting on the whole Alliance fanbase and disrepcting every idea,suggestion, LORE,artwork,concept etc etc
the way he said his answer
he was very very rude
to his paying customers
many people have unsubbed because of it
strange falcon
unsubbing because no blood elfs with blue eyes 
misty blaze
if we get high elf ever sylvanas would have to be leading them again in her original form before killed
karmic copper
vareesa would
rich apex
I quipped in a different channel that youtube was going to immeadiately get a 'ION DOESN'T UNDERSTAND LORE' 20 minute video
🤔
true matrix
as it was foretold
dense plover
its a QA
he is not going in depth
he is explaining the basic reasoning
you dont think blizzard had entire meetings about this stuff Drorith?
they came to the conclusion to add void elves and not high elves
if they planned to add high elves then, they wouldve done it
it might happen eventually, but it probably wont, because it would be the equivalent of having the same race on another faction, essentially saying "fuck you" to horde/blood elf players
ruby star
Ion's answer was so rude and disrespectful to Blizzards customers. No way should you represent Blizzard_Ent by being disrespectful and insulting to your customers on a live Q&A. The way he said that answer was just plane insulting.
ruby star
He was
dense plover
it wasnt rude
dense plover
he answered in a bit of an offhanded way
ruby star
The way he said it was
dense plover
also
ruby star
he could of answered kindly and civil
dense plover
he definitely didnt respect the entire alliance playerbase
ruby star
but he didn;'t
dense plover
he wasnt uncivil
ruby star
He was
dense plover
he didnt disregard lore
ruby star
HE DID
dense plover
he doesnt have time to answer this whole thing
ruby star
Because he is an ignorant ass
dense plover
he inst going to spend 20 minutes giving details about something that blizzard clearly doesnt plan to do
dense plover
and he doesnt want to say no
because if it ever happens
then he would be in a PR mess
lol
for a high elf question?
ruby star
I'm too salty
ruby star
I need to log off
dense plover
you should take a break
hollow dock
I had to temp leave the high elf discord due to toxicity.
true matrix
imagine getting that mad about an eye colour
dense plover
This has been my argument against this shit from the beginning
and the fact that blizzard uses the same argument
so satisfying
rich apex
Ion biased towards Horde confirmed
blizz: we understand the debate but here's why we made this decision
general forums: cAN yOU belIEVE how bLIZZ wOULd INSUlt tHE PLAYer BAse
dense plover
its insane how salty people are
they just need to say no at this point
so these threads can die forever
hollow dock
yea people shouldn't get so passionate.
rich apex
I mean sure you don't have to like it
But like of all the things Ion can ~betray~ the player base on
hollow dock
I think most of the salt just comes from people seeing the void elves
and how little there is of them
and how much there is of high elves outside of the blood elf thing
So they kinda feel like its bs.
dense plover
it seems like blizzard could fix this by making the void elf hub have more npcs
or a cutscene with many npcs
hollow dock
or expand on the void elves prior to adding them in so they dont feel as empty
dense plover
make it seem like there is actually a big chunk of void elves
rich apex
I mean
hollow dock
or maybe just remove high elves and all references to them from the game
rich apex
High elves haven't done that much since MoP
hollow dock
I mean. Elisande points them out
rich apex
Vereesa shows up for ten minutes in Legion
hollow dock
specifically.
Seperate from the blood elves
and then Ion says theyre basically blood elves.
rich apex
Aesthetically they are
hollow dock
that's all people care about
the aethsetics. And then looking at all these ideas they -can- do with high elves but have elected to end up not doing
people get salty over it. Big time. 🤷
dense plover
they could do these things
but up close
they would still look like blood elves
maybe not exactly
but pretty much exactly
hollow dock
like the void elves do
dense plover
void elves at least have the skin color difference, and the unique hairstyles
hollow dock
Fully armored void elves?
rich apex
They -could- do anything
hollow dock
void elves on the move look very much like a blood elf over first glance
dense plover
might as well be the same
rich apex
They probably will do high elves in 9.0
rich apex
But they sure ain't gonna scrap something they already made to replace it with high elves for BFA
hollow dock
From their perspective, they've put their hearts and souls into it but theyre told its not good enough.
Heck there's people re-rigging high elves to have the human rigging to solve that issue of 'Oh well theyre the same model'
and it just isn't enough. 🤷
rich apex
I mean if you put your heart and soul into something
That wasn't so much as hinted as becoming playable
Is that really Ion's fault
hollow dock
Nah it's not. People are less salty over the no and more so how he said no.
rich apex
This implies there's an answer they would accept
hollow dock
since the words he used are the near exact same words all the anti-helfers on the forums use.
true matrix
have you considered that maybe all those people have a valid point, then?
rich apex
No clever argument is going to change the schedule regardless
Much less crying about Ion's supposed betrayal and disrespect of Every Player Ever
sharp bluff
I think the biggest thing against High Elf’s, at this point, no allied race will have death knights
And we know high elf DK exist
Just a thought
I want murloc as a race (which I know won’t happen), so take that whatever way you want lol
frigid umbra
Who is a high elf dk?
sharp bluff
Lore wise they exist
rich apex
Lorewise for sure
sharp bluff
As for who idk