Rexxar and Kaga in Stormsong
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tulip sun
Gallywix and Eitrigg in Drustvar
and Nathanos, Ty'jin and Voss in uh
Tiragarde is it?
dense plover
voss is in stormsong too
tulip sun
Oh?
tulip sun
Oh yes...
uncut vault
the Ready for War achievement is just the leveling stuff
the UI on my characters tells me to get to 120, and once I get there it says to complete the john j keeshan story in tiragarde sound
but thats not fully implemented afaik
tulip sun
Is that horde or alliance?
uncut vault
Alliance
tulip sun
AND I need to know about this blood prince lol
Also...any thoughts where this hunt for Gallywix/Blood Prince is located?
dense plover
i figured it was going to be one of those vampire elves from wrath
at least from the sounds of it
but it could be a drust maybe?
tulip sun
It is 100% a undead elf from Wrath
His model is the same
Whether he is working with the horde or lich king, or god knows who is up for question though
terse patrol
I think this placed called Thros is gunna be the place inside the Shadowlands where the Drust spirits live.
dense plover
all i know about thros is jaina goes there and confronts her guilt and hears her father's voice
meager warren
How do you know it's her father's voice?
tulip sun
You wonder why Rexxar is taking round 2 in killing Kul'Tirans
Daelin's assholiness still haunts him
rich apex
Hard to blame Rexxar and the orcs there
After Daelin attacks Durotar unprovoked right after the orcs help save the world
Ignoring his only daughter's pleas
tulip sun
I am sure many orcs and trolls actually remember that
-now kinda understands the brutality of the headhunters and grunts-
sharp bluff
green orcs live longer thanks to fel also I think so... ya a good many
tulip sun
Wow
Stormsong is a lot more justified in my eyes kinda. While it is never morally right to kill civilians....
Daelin was not discriminating
terse patrol
Daelin likely didn't know about the whole world tree thing happening. All he was doing was looking for his daughter, and the Lordaeron survivors. He wasn't hunting the Horde.
However, when he realized the Horde was there, he acting brashly, not knowing the full picture.
They likely could have captured him, but. . .
Well.
They didn't.
tulip sun
I mean, I would kill and not capture someone who wanted me exterminated
rich apex
That is the thing
cycle of hatred baby
Bonus points that I just did a Drustvar quest against the Horde
rich apex
Quest giver literally says 'the only good orc is a dead orc'
Just some goblins mining azerite
terse patrol
I still think Jaina could have non-lethally taken him.
rich apex
And the Kul'tirans is all 'the horde are up to something, go kill them'
terse patrol
She's a mage.
tulip sun
Garona wouldn't be safe outside the horde, even if neutral
terse patrol
A powerful one.
rich apex
Rule of Drama
terse patrol
yeah
If they captured him and explained stuff thoroughly, then there'd be no horde vs alliance.
lol
terse patrol
so ye
blame blizz
I just can't see Thrall outright killing Jaina's dad, even if he wanted to kill the Orcs.
tulip sun
Just noticed the chair in the backround lol
terse patrol
Right before she blows up the city.
tulip sun
HEhehe
I can't wait for that cinematic
Sylvanas, Baine, nathanos, Anduin, Alleria, Jaina
Did I miss anyone
rich apex
That's why Rexxar just kills Jaina's dad
rich apex
There's a brief clip of the cinematic
terse patrol
new cinematic
rich apex
In the last official trailer
terse patrol
^
but yea
tbh
After hearing Daelin's voice actor?
I wish he was still alive.
Robert Baratheon being Jaina's dad lol.
rich apex
It is a good choice
tulip sun
In the launch date announcement?
tulip sun
Hm...at what part of t
terse patrol
Robert was an asshole you could like.
terse patrol
I feel like Daelin wasn't a bad man, just bent by his experiences.
terse patrol
Think of this:
terse patrol
One of his sons was immolated by the Orc's enslaved dragons.
terse patrol
He watched his fleets torched by dragon fire.
rich apex
Lothar lost his king and his kingdom
Turaloyn literally watched Lothar be killed
And he spared the orcs
terse patrol
He likely watched the ship his son was on go up in flames.
tulip sun
Can we just time jump to when they add these cinematics
They will fill in the gaps and give context
WHAT HAPPENED TO LOR'THEMAR PEOPLE?!
terse patrol
Just saying, I doubt Daelin was an evil person. He was pro-killing the Orcs, because he'd never seen their honorable side.
tulip sun
-also 100% needs a Gallywix vs Alleria cinematic, as well as at least one including RExxar-
But anyway
terse patrol
The only times he ever encountered them was when they were raping and pillaging human kingdoms during the First and Second War.
naive meteor
does anyone know how i get access to my mounts and transmog collections on the alpha
tulip sun
No one is really "evil" on either of the factions
Daelin, to Kul'Tirans for example, was a hero and such
Jaina is hated
But he is not evil
Also, in all honesty
terse patrol
Both Genn and Daelin were pro-killing all Orcs, because they'd never seen Thrall's remade Horde.
tulip sun
I really want playable Mok'Nathal after seeing Rexxar's unarmored model
Like holy god.
terse patrol
Daelin likely thought the Hordes used magic on Jaina or something.
terse patrol
Horde*
"What? Suddenly Orcs are good now? Bullshit, they must have ensorceled her."
so ye
Wish he was still alive, because Daelin was a cool character.
tulip sun
Jaina interestingly takes his title though in BfA
So we shall see what happens
Katherin doesn't die too!
It is a miracle
Perhaps Rastakhan has hop
e
terse patrol
Ye, surprised they didn't kill her off.
wild moss
(Yet)
rich apex
I mean Daelin had vaguely fair reasons
But the narrative was still pretty blunt that he was super wrong
uncut vault
Well Gonk does talk about how he could keep rastakhan alive, if he wished to challenge bwonsamdi
Im curious if Bwonsamdis gift will be bringing back voljin, or keeping rastakhan alive
rich apex
Something is probably happening to Vol'jin
rich apex
I for one welcome our new Loa-Warchief
dense plover
i know this is a bit late
but Honk
Daelin was hunting the horde
he specifically gave orders to kill any and all horde
and to go out
find them
and kill those two
leave no survivors
he was a brutal murderer
tulip sun
Oh my gosh
I am totally understanding the brutality in Stormsong now
and why Rexxar leads it
dense plover
yep
i mean
its a little much
but for a lot of orcs and trolls
its revenge
from an alliance perspective it feels unjustified though
since its been a while
tulip sun
^^
dense plover
and the alliance themselves didnt commit attrocities
tulip sun
I was at first at a loss of the brutality of trolls and orcs
But now I understand a lot o.o
and these are specifically Kul'tirans
It is not like they are alliance civilians(yet)
dense plover
^
pretty much
daelinn didnt go out targetting military or anything because there was none
he killed families
children
people just trying to find safety and kalimdor
he was a monster
and his people followed him blindly
tulip sun
Oh my god
THIS MAKES ME FEEL SO GOOD
I mean, it is not really ok or good
But there is a decent reason behind it
tulip sun
Ugh
I tried using that justification on another chat and someone said it would be the other way around
-sihg-
-sigh-
zinc charm
I haven't played since right before wotlk expansion. Starting to play again and I'm starting fresh...so much to learn and experience _
I'll say this though blizzard needs to add a third faction...one that just wants to watch the world burn
meager warren
like the legion?
zinc charm
Yes but a playable faction.. there's plenty of races or sub factions of other races who want the alliance and horde to destoryer themselves
Each other*
Like the grimtotem clan, the red orcs, etc
tropic trail
Are there even any fel orcs left?
Thought we kinda killed them all on our way to illidaniel.
terse patrol
@tropic trail Those left I think joined the Horde.
You see some guarding the Dark Portal.
Most fel orcs on Outland were forcibly turned into fel orcs
They’re still red, but they’re not spikey anymore.
tropic trail
I see
river dirge
iirc fel orcs were pretty much exterminated, so the remaining ones probably aren't more than a few hundred individuals at most.
steel venture
Population size no longer matters if something becomes playable or not.
Void elves.
🤷
rich garnet
Let's not open that bandage. :p
steel venture
I mean it's true though. It's not a bandage if a small unit can become a new playable race.
Which is accepting new members even.
rich garnet
I know. I just know the race debate that tends to follow, and how passionate some people are about the topic. :p
sharp bluff
^ it is a deep hole
rich garnet
Yep. XD
ruby star
@steel venture correct, population isn't an issue anymore 😄
hollow dock
I guess the execution of civilians was also justifiable.
river dirge
I think it does make a difference in this case because Void Elves are a nascent "race" that's growing in numbers, whereas fel orcs that survived essentially just avoided what was a complete erradication. If they added fel orcs they'd have to justify how new ones are being actively created to this day.
near cosmos
captured a pit lord and draining its blood, the starting area would be the story of how the new fel orc player breaks free from the demonic influence
brb emailing blizz my salary requirements
😛
rich garnet
XD
karmic copper
i had an idea for fel orcs too, just abit diffrent, you would start in ashenvale as a fel orc and attack night elves and villages, youd find the horde and attack them, then being defeated, you then get in prison and then you break free, then you get a weapon and with some other rebelling fel orcs, you attack the other fel orcs that attack the horde guards, then you go out and kill a big important pit lord, then going out and getting your mind clear, making you peaceful, and then come in the horde
starting zone would take place in tbc and then when in prison, tbc-bfa happens
near cosmos
what I think WoW could benefit from is a legacy system like SWTOR has, where you could set up a family/friends/rivalry tree and have separate progression for legacies
can you imagine the RP possibilities if you could have your alts flagged as being married or being rivals with each other and you could update it on the fly
karmic copper
that would be interesting
near cosmos
it would give you a surname for all your characters in the same legacy too, and you could choose whether each char had a new legacy or joined your existing one
blue plz
river dirge
I never really thought the Legacy system to be too interesting myself, but eh, some RPers really are into that sort of stuff.
near cosmos
I just think it would be a neat way of rewarding people who play lots of alts, more so than achievements
achievements are on/off unless you create millions of achieves
they could give you various rewards like "you dont have to pay to unlock more bank slots" or "get free 16 slot bags for all your inventory slots" - nothing that kills the economy but just small QoL
or the ability to pay 10x to unlock 310 flying on all future characters in the legacy automatically
etc
the possibilities are endless
rich garnet
I think a system like it could be very interesting.
near cosmos
maybe I'll do a write-up on the official forums at some point
rich garnet
I highly suggest it. A blue might see it, and it'll inspire them. :)
near cosmos
I'll be sure to whore the thread thoroughly here when it's posted 😛
blissful loom
can't wait to make a Zandalari and a Kul Tiran
rich garnet
=D
river dirge
Yeah. I also tend to RP very different, unrelated characters anyway so I never looked into the SWTOR Legacy system beyond its in-game benefits.
near cosmos
TRP?
vital sable
Total RP 3, a RP addon
river dirge
TotalRP3, one of the more widely used RP addons currently.
Allows you to have an RP profile of your character and see that of the rest of users.
Has some other functionalities for RP, such as allowing you to pretend to make NPCs speak (in the screen of those using the addon anyway) and its extended version has a bunch of small little RP utilities.
dense plover
yeah, i use both
i havent specifically used extended
but you can use it to make custom rp items
rp currency
and rp quests for others
near cosmos
intraducting
I don't really RP but it's fun to mess about with
(although it's fun to visit Goldshire Inn 👀 )
near cosmos
Third screenshot on the TRP3 curse page "He is balled due to radiation damage"
"balled"
T.R.I.G.G.E.R.E.D.
river dirge
I used to play on Argent Dawn, so at this point I pretty much already have war eyes when it comes to TRP profiles, like some 'nam vet.
meager warren
Wat
near cosmos
I think they're saying they get PTSD flashbacks from shittily written profiles
river dirge
Yeah, it's like in those war movies when the vets have a different sort of cold stare because they've seen enough to even beyond PTSD and just stop caring.
near cosmos
I fought in the great Loose Rouge wars... I saw some shit... Like you wouldn't believe...
river dirge
"I remember, my boy. I remember when people pretended to be Nerubians with a Rail Gun in the Cathedral Catacombs".
oak wraith
I remember there (briefly) was a guild on AD-EU called <Princess Of Stormwind> ...
sacred glen
Correct me if i'm wrong please. Was there a time skip for the Mag'Har of Draenor joining the horde? If i recall we used the bronze flight to go to Draenor in the past correct?
river dirge
We just saw AU Grom's model come over looking notably older, when in lore terms some 2 years have passed.
So I'm willing to guess having not read anything to confirm it that timehopping is involved.
tropic trail
guys which hunter pets you think gonna be tameable?
i srs most of them become tameable according to petopia
wild pewter
I just want more spots in my stable 😦
rich apex
It's not clear yet what kind of timey wimey stuff is going on with Draenor
Aside from the suspiciously grey Grom model
river dirge
So, on an unrelated note, I was thinking.
What do you think the consequences of losing their foothold on the Eastern Kingdoms will make the growth rate of the Forsaken like?
rich apex
Whatever Blizz decides it will be 😛
river dirge
If they have to move to Kalimdor en masse, there's not all that many humans (comparatively) up to be raised.
That's why I asked "what do you think", Hyperewok 😉
river dirge
Yeah, they do kinda mess with the bodies by bombing them to pieces though, you'd think.
rich apex
Fresh meat for the abominations then
river dirge
But they still rely on Val'kyr, right?
river dirge
Which don't really fit the "Forsaken" description.
sharp bluff
New bow caster class with summons ❤
meager warren
there's a ton of orcs, tauren, and trolls in Kalimdor.
Just change the fodder from humans to those.
Boom. That would also allow the Horde to strike back at Sylvanas/ the Forsaken
mint arch
nah mate, sylvanas dindu nuthing is still going on
Sylvanas is the most successful leader in battle for the horde, every battle she fought for the horde brought victory.
xD
terse patrol
thats why she lost at gilneas. . . and lordaeron
mint arch
nope, apparently she wins everything
and i think these guys believe that sylvanas had all the right to try and capture Eyir
terse patrol
Also why she lost at Stormheim
mint arch
and that genn stopping her was an act of war
terse patrol
Genn attacked in order to prevent Sylvanas from becoming unstoppable, by Anduin’s order too.
idk why people dispute this.
rich vault
had all the right to pursue her own self preservative actions... nani
mint arch
doesnt seem they realize how important Eyir is to Odyn
terse patrol
The Alliance is always going to defend the Light, and Eyir is a being of Light.
mint arch
Eyir is important to Odyn
cause he needs her to form the Valarjar.
so if sylvanas captured her
Sylvanas was willing to risk the destruction of Azeroth itself because it might mean raising more Forsaken
cause Odyn not helping us = no aegis = gg
terse patrol
yeah, realistically, Odyn would never have given it to Sylvanas/the Horde.
mint arch
if Eyir was captured, he'd not give it to any mortal
he'd be like, fck u all give her back
and then we'd have to deal with sylvanas mess on top of the legion = gg
What means "evil" to alliance was life saving for the forsaken
wut -_-
tulip sun
Ok, to be fair.
Sylvanas and to the forsaken civilians, capturing Eyir was one of their only chances to escape damnation. Genn ruined that.
grand grail
Can gallywix please be a raid boss this xpac
strange falcon
nop
grand grail
i wanna murder him so much hes so hateable
mint arch
how does it help the forsaken? capturing valkyr = making more forsaken
it helps sylvanas
tulip sun
Just TRY to view it from their perspectives sometimes. It helps to understand the motives and reasonings behind it.
grand grail
lie i lov ehis character but hes such a dick
tulip sun
IT keeps them alive
mint arch
again, helps sylvanas
tulip sun
Yes, but it also helps the entire forsaken population
Are you just ignoring that part?...
It feels like you purposely try to ignore that what she does also helps other people.
mint arch
no, because it doesn't directly impact the forsaken
mint arch
it will help them, but without Eyir, the forsaken are still going along
tulip sun
Not once the final Val'kyr die that are loyal to the forsaken
There are not a huge amount left
This would have given them an endless supply- forever getting rid of eternal damnation
mint arch
endless supply.... of undead
isnt the ultimate goal of forsaken to cure themselves?
u are acting like its a good thing that there be endless supply of undead
mint arch
thats not 100% confirmed
tulip sun
Val'kyr save them from that....and having a lot of val'kyr, will forever solve their problem
mint arch
as there have been cases of forsaken not going to hell
tulip sun
It was in fact confirmed :/
tulip sun
In the latest chronicle also giving evidence to it
mint arch
so confirmed all forsaken go to hell?
k
but this wouldnt solve their problem
they would still be undead
the solution is a cure
tulip sun
It would still keep them ever alive until they find a cure
tulip sun
I am saying that there is a purpose, and to some, a good purpose to do it.
mint arch
the Forsaken have no right to all the val'kyr and is not a good purpose
meager warren
Blizz is gonna make Sylvanas save the forsaken.
Because she's simultaneously the smartest and dumbest person ever
tulip sun
You never look at it from the perspective of the people. You just see and take it as it is in a modern world. Sure, it is not good. But it is a true and great purpose to the forsaken, arguably others who don't want to see them die and enter eternal damnation.
Genn even says, he has taken the future of her people.
wild pewter
Her future
meager warren
if they ever do make the forsaken go to hell, the player forsaken will probably be able to fight their way out
mint arch
cause sylvanas was there for herself and her immortality
modern world?
dude, undead is not good, period
if u find urself as undead, u are then faced with the consequences
which is hell and damnation
mint arch
cause its sylvanas and we have history of her showing that she doesnt care xD
and she's going about raising more Forsaken = dooming more people to damnation and hell
just so she doesnt die
if there was a cure for the Forsaken, then sure, id agree with u
meager warren
why do the forsaken go to hell for something they have no choice in?
mint arch
dunno
mint arch
lul
tulip sun
She takes the deal with the Val'kyr so she can save her people from the same fate.
mint arch
deal with Helya u mean?
tulip sun
In the 3rd chronicles, it makes the reason she accepts the deal to save her people from what she witnessed
mint arch
cool, so she cares about not dying and to help her people not die
and still, will fck everyone else to do it
meager warren
imo, she only "cares" about the forsaken as a front to keep working in the Horde
meager warren
aside from a couple instances that have been retconned and some more that don't make sense, it's kinda obvious that Sylvanas only cares about herself
mint arch
indeed
this war is about her raising more Forsaken, dooming more humans to her curse
"for the horde" indeed
meager warren
For Azeroth 
mint arch
but hey, Garona is now shouting for the horde
and voss is all cool with raising undead now
10/10 writing blizzard~
Garona: "oh, no. I'd kill Anduin without a second thought! Just like I killed Llane... Who I needed to be mind controlled to slay!"
"for the hordeee"
meager warren
tbf tho, the Horde now is different from when she was mind-controlled.
But there's no excuse for Voss being for the Horde
terse patrol
People forget that more Val’kyr only means more undead.
The older Forsaken still rot and eventually die.
All Sylvanas is doing is adding more meat to the grinder to maintain her little undead empire.
The only guys I can think of who benefit from her quest of genocide are the Old Gods.
Yogg himself says that the more people that die make him stronger.
meager warren
when did he say that?
terse patrol
“Your petty quarrels only make me stronger.”
@Murderous Madness#9235
During the Yogg fight.
mint arch
lul, though id say almost everything about this war is helping the old gods get stronger
meager warren
and when was that?
terse patrol
Funny thing, when we “kill” him, he says our fate is sealed.
I think all we’ve done is freed C’thun and Yogg, through “death.”
And they’re feeding on souls in the Shadowlands
mint arch
hey guys, can i interest you in joining the void!? our lord and saviour Nzoth shall save us all!
terse patrol
@meager warren During the King Llane assassination vision.
meager warren
so in other words
it happened around classic
which means it's no longer good material
meager warren
oh. well same thing then
terse patrol
how
terse patrol
so?
No, it happened in Wc1
Not Classic
Wtf
All Yogg was doing was showing a vision, to demonstrate how the faction conflicts directly benefit the Old Gods.
Each death makes them stronger.
There’s hints we’re going to the Shadowlands in BFA.
Which will likely be our Argus patch.
meager warren
so stuff from an expac that was released 10 years ago isn't very reputable except when it stays consistent in each later expac.
terse patrol
In an expansion that is supposedly about “faction conflict.”
tranquil steeple
The vision was just to add effect to his words
terse patrol
That’s going to be a reveal. That this faction conflict was orchestrated to give N’zoth the last souls he needs to break free, and to release his brothers.
That Sylvanas was manipulated since Wrath.
And then she’ll get to be AN HERO, and fix the mistakes she made.
Rather than be a raid boss.
If you haven’t noticed yet, but Sylvanas is basically WoW’s Kerrigan.
And don’t be surprised if she’s redeemed like Kerrigan.
sharp bluff
And wrecks the human capital like Kerrigan? 😄
terse patrol
I get a weird feeling, that we’re going to see splits between all the races, if we end up going the Shadow vs Light route.
That’s why Magatha Grimtotem is still around, partly. So the Tauren would be able to join the Shadow side of things.
uncut vault
Void elves on the light side 🤔
terse patrol
Unlikely. Void Elves for Shadow side, obviously.
uncut vault
I mean, Alleria’s pretty into turalyon
terse patrol
Sylvanas might be redeemed, and some asshole might take charge of the evil Forsaken.
While redeemed Sylvanas goes Light. Who knows.
wild pewter
The story-telling in WoW seems somewhat... short-sighted, unfortunately.
uncut vault
Eh, they seem to be doing a better job of looking ahead recently, if WoD-Legion-BfA story gaps and things like Ilgynoth are anything to go by
vast shard
I sure hope they don't pull yet another "we hate each other but let's unite to fight a common enemy" YET AGAIN
quasi lynx
I mean, that's basically WoW expansions in a nutshell
meager warren
i sure hope they get over that "we hate each other and so we're going to keep killing each other for no reason"
but oh that's right.
it's never gonna happen
terse patrol
Well, WoW will always have PvP, hence why I think Blizzard wants to shift things away to Light vs Shadow.
river dirge
patch 9.0 notes leaked:
"removed battlegrounds"
"removed pvp toggle"
"removed arenas"
"peace achieved, enjoy peace, s u b s c r i b e r , or your character will serve as fuel for our servers"
rich apex
I will happily sacrifice PVP for a permanent end to the faction war
river dirge
It's hard already to justify battlegrounds being constant with the lore, but at their core they are tied to political shit, at some point in time or currently.
rich apex
Of course
BGs take place in the past
Drek'thar sure ain't in AV anymore
Fighting 40 people at once
meager warren
they can just make new battlegrounds
meager warren
like they should have been doing but haven't until BfA
rich apex
kek
river dirge
Hero class: "Drek'thar" Special ability: "nap"
It's like a rogue sap, but you tell stories about how back in the day cell phones didn't exist
uncut vault
PvP's already dead anways
rich ocean
So at this point sylvanas is literally commiting her what... 5th or 6th war crme?
river dirge
Not even worth keeping score at this point.
tulip sun
I can see this being the last war between teh factionsA
At least for a long time
They claim it is a war to end all wars.
I liked the idea someone had....don't know if it was here
About light/shadow "factions"
The two would remain, but as characters we would choose
Then play the other faction in battlegrounds would work
river dirge
tbh my bet is still that they're going all out on war crimes and general bad so that both factions can be like "we can't have more wars :'("
meager warren
they said the same thing about WW1 but then WW2 happened and then other countless wars since
no reason to think it won't be the same in wow
terse patrol
Alliance and Horde finally being able to interact would be nice.
tropic trail
They can.
Pandaren can talk to each other.
So can Demon Hunters.
I'm sure Void Elves and Blood elves can.
meager warren
It should be universal tho
Like, humans should be able to talk to undead, tauren to night elves, etc
atomic thistle
I interact with horde all the time, have for years...ganking is interacting right?
olive frigate
Tauren and Night Elves do communicate. Isn't there that Druid Circle that has both Tauren and Night Elves in it?
meager warren
player tauren and player night elves don't communicate
olive frigate
Ahh..
atomic thistle
i guess the cenarion circle communicates by interpretive dance?
pale geyser
After being able to talk between Void/Blood Elves, something like Cenarian Circle should be allowed reeeeee
river dirge
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
tropic trail
Language barrier is kinda pointless with all these exceptions being added
river dirge
And to be honest it's not like people are reporting cases of absurd, constant trash talk between races
Just make a mini expansion called "World of Warcraft High" in which everybody goes to school to learn Common
terse patrol
Call me weird, but I kinda wanna have cross-faction groups/dungeons/raids too.
Like, we’re killing (bad guys), why isn’t this a team effort?
heady temple
well the whole point of BFA is the fact that we are at war with the other side. It might have worked before, but the sides aren't talking to each other. In theory that would be nice though, though I'm fairly certain that the lore fans would be very upset if we integrated parties.
rich garnet
Well, lore wise, the two factions can easily communicate. Every single crossfaction interaction, since the birth of world of Warcraft, be it in game, or cinematic, has had the two factions understanding one another.
tropic trail
hello
rich garnet
Yo.
tropic trail
yo
heady sentinel
hii
rich garnet
Then focus on your studies. :p
heady temple
do you think that the two sides would be able to group up together, even after what BFA is apparently going to do to the two sides?
rich garnet
Hmm. Not sure. They've always been adamant on the whole 'war in Warcraft' bit, and that the two factions are integral.
Time will tell if they still have that stance once we're halfway or done with BfA.
mint arch
this "war" will last a patch or 2 before the old gods come up after we kill Azshara
love how the order halls are like, ya thanks for working together to defeat the legion
lets go and kill each other now cause undead waifu wants more Forsaken
-_-
river dirge
Idk, in my mind I differentiate the Horde and Alliance as factions, and then individuals. Chronicle states that many operations in the midst of the faction war were joint efforts.
But out in the world I feel like in many places individuals of the factions do coexist. It's a bit like real conflicts IRL, it's easier to dismiss other groups by 'otherising' them.
mint arch
id have liked if Blizzard continued with the order hall concepts
move away from this forced alliance v horde stuff
river dirge
But when you have to live in the same space and see them as individual people, many learn to coexist and open up discussion, tolerance and even acceptance.
river dirge
I'd love it if Blizzard would touch on this in BfA and have characters find old class hall friends among the dead in a battleground, questioning the conflict from a personal standpoint.
mint arch
thatd be cool
or let players have quests where they can choose not to follow their faction leader
instead of everyone blindly and suddenly following their faction with no question -__-
ruby prawn
That would be too complex
rich garnet
Well, on the Argent Dawn server in the EU, I remember many RP guilds jumping on the Stormheim narrative of faction war, even with Demons literally falling from the sky.
ruby prawn
We as players aren't really supposed to make our own decisions
rich garnet
Aye. All story choices are predetermined.
ruby prawn
Just like in Warcraft the units didn't make their own decisions
World of Warcraft is basically the warcraft series from a different Pov
rich garnet
Not to mention, that wow is the RPG game equivalent of a tabletop RPG that the GM has put on rails.
We're just along for the ride. :p
ruby prawn
Yee
rich garnet
Yet it keep trying to pull me back in to sub, so I'm not one to talk. XD
ruby star
Personally I love the faction war, having that faction pride 
mint arch
the problem with that
is that we as players, are no longer just the grunts
we lead the order halls, the garrisons and so on
blizzard have made us like those notable NPC's/hero's, if not better
so to suddenly go back to blindly following ur faction is just lazy
hell, making us that important was so fcking bad by blizzard
-_-
rich garnet
Aye. It's the DragonBall problem. We grow and grow in power to a point where we outclass threats around us. Take the enhancement shaman. He's outclassed Thrall. Who's the flipping world shaman. With a char like that selling that they need to go out and collect 4 quilboar eyes for a potion or some such just doesn't make sense anymore.
tropic trail
@wild pewter ye we really need more spots on stable
glass shore
It's okay to lead the orderhall and the garrison i guess but we shouldnt get better then Thrall or Malfurion or other strong npc's from the story. Many ppl where fans of them and now what should they be? fans of themselfes? xD But i also dont wanna be the hidden slave from the npc's again for quests like "i lost my cake, bring it back" xD i want to play a role in the story but not such a big one.
rich garnet
I think Wrath did it well. You were kind of a known champion adventurer. You weren't a legendary hero like Thrall or Malfurion, but people knew and recognised you.
I still remember when my human paladin rode into the Westfall Brigade encampment in Grizzly Hills, and while I recognised them, they recognised me! Praised me for the help in Westfall. That was a personal highlight. :)
river dirge
I really would like a bit of a return to more laid-back, classic RPG stuff too.
Idk, don't make me be the kingdom poopcleaner, but I like feeling like I'm just a tiny part of an enormous world, rather than a great hero.
tropic trail
do we have any addon wroking on alpha that show coordinates plz? tryed tomtom but not working yet :/
heavy cairn
pretty sure addons are intentionally disabled
steel venture
addons are intentionally disabled outside of blizzard-sponsered individuals testing alpha.
90% of addons are not reccomended as they will damage feedback reports due to the possible incompatabilities that arise---and blizz tryin to fix bugs that aint there
tropic trail
oh sorry, because i'm on alpha, and yesterday ppl were talking about the dmg meter addon working, so thinked in try get the coord one for a guide i'm writing xD
well thanks for let me know that 😉
meager warren
i think it's safe to say that most of us want neutral factions
tropic trail
^ rather not
near cosmos
scourge faction or riot
terse patrol
steamwheedle cartel faction
near cosmos
TIME IS MONEY, FRIEND
dense plover
Actually @steel venture Addons we’re enabled in the last alpha build, but most aren’t updated to work with it
karmic copper
i dont use addons on alpha, i like just to use normal ui
uncut vault
It's mainly things like details/skada that people use, to get actual numbers on how specs are doing
warped portal
Hi, Do you know if kultirans and vulperas will be playable?
strange falcon
vulperas humans? 🤔
warped portal
My bad xD
glass shore
kultiran human are sure playable. but vulpera isnt confirmed yet.. but i guess vulpera will be played why should they add dance animtations and stuff like that if not
playable*
tropic trail
ogres aren't playable and they have dance animations.
they share animations with the goblins due to having the same skeleton, that's why they have player specific animations.
atomic thistle
DM made ogre dancing possible
meager warren
DM trolling us in BfA when
tropic trail
vulpera will never be an allied race
golden jungle
sullen dagger
dialy reminder : we havent got (yet) high elves. the alliance needs them
rich garnet
Triggered
sullen dagger
also, fuck the big slime for the hidden appareance for ret pallys
i've been 8 hours
8
and no f****** nothing
rich garnet
It's respawn is 16, right?
tropic trail
do alpha servers got down? o.O
sullen dagger
at least i'm capping my fishing
tropic trail
oh nvm was bnet lagging as hell -.-'
strange falcon
@sullen dagger you mean THIS slime?
sullen dagger
well, yeah it is
sullen dagger
you need to likk that mob
kill*
and it has a spawn time of (hahahahaha) 0,5h to 30h
random
fuck rng
i'm seriously tilted
short oyster
Then some guy farming old mats for no reason kills it
sullen dagger
yep
'cause reasons
and then he will ask for mercy when i'll hunt them for the cursade
short oyster
Question Can you Race Change to An Allied Race after you have unlocked it?
sullen dagger
yep
sharp bluff
yes
short oyster
Nice Ive been playing an Orc Warrior Named Gart For 10 years now and Ive always wanted him to be an upright brown orc
sullen dagger
oh a filthy xeno, consider going human
short oyster
Nah
rich garnet
XD
short oyster
Too many Humans and Blood Elves in the Community
meager warren
being upright is somehow being human?
don't make me laugh
rich apex
sharp bluff
Split the Difference, go Forsaken
meager warren
tbh, the backs that are "curved" are more brittle than the ones that are straight-up
and forsaken are just dead humans so it doesn't make sense that they don't at least have an upright option
tropic trail
horde leaders have the highest mortality rate due to back pain from being hunched all the time.
meager warren
which is why
sharp bluff
🤔 
+ Curved back = Death.....
meager warren
#Destroythecurve
sharp bluff
Math does check out....
tropic trail
cairne, garrosh, voljin, all had curved backs
varian died from back pain too tho, but that was more bieng stabbed in the back
sullen dagger
well, thrall which was the true and only horde leader, the green jeebus was upright
meager warren
technicallities
tropic trail
and he's still alive
sharp bluff
straight backs make people go crazy though, look at Thrall and Suarfang, both are honor less now
rich garnet
Wait, so was the final model for Garrosh.
meager warren
he's still alive because he quit being warchief and never went insane like Garrosh
sullen dagger
So gharros aint like garrosh?
sharp bluff
just lost his honor, same with Suarfang
meager warren
o
sharp bluff
:Horde:
meager warren
rich garnet
Saurfang is honor! How dare you insinuate otherwise! 😱
tropic trail
also, ever noticed how every tauren that's died has been hunched? clearly their connected.
sharp bluff
I am horde, he has no honor for not coming back
meager warren
Sylvanas has no honor you mean
sharp bluff
should have left him locked in the cage
tropic trail
you did tho
sullen dagger
sylvannas is a royal bitch
meager warren
i said *no
sharp bluff
Win > honor
meager warren
o rly
sharp bluff
Winners write history
tropic trail
so, saurfang has no honor for wanting to fight honorably?
rich garnet
Aye. And that history will be written by the old gods. XD
sullen dagger
saurfang is bae
sharp bluff
no, Suarfang refuses to come back and try to reason with the leaders, that is dishonorable
meager warren
Neither the Horde nor the Alliane is winning
sullen dagger
saurfang + tauren chieftain are the wto best horde leaders imho
meager warren
He did try reasoning with sylvanas.
Sylvanas practically kicked him out of the Horde
sharp bluff
Uh... sure I love Tuaren, but what has baine done lately besides recruit highmountain
Tuaren are the gnomes of the horde
sullen dagger
gnomes are the spawn of evil
tropic trail
no
meager warren
ur the spawn of evil
sullen dagger
yes
tropic trail
gnomes are the best
meager warren
gnomes are ugly as shit imo but they're kinda not evil
true matrix
I would die for raandyy
tropic trail
gnomes are literally the only race that hasn't done something evil
sharp bluff
Mini me was a gnome 😢 rip
rich garnet
I'm sorry, @sharp bluff. I get your point of view, but I can't stand against one of the only remaining voices of reason in the Horde. Saurfang embodies what it means to be Horde. Aways has, always will.
sullen dagger
well, but gnomes are batshit crazy
meager warren
no race in WoW as a whole has done something evil.
Every race has individuals who have done evil.
sharp bluff
I love Suarfang
meager warren
no u
sharp bluff
But
tropic trail
how are gnomes crazy?
meager warren
^
sharp bluff
He is stupid now
meager warren
ur stupid now
tropic trail
AU draenor orcs literally decided to kill all the draenei cause some hooded stranger told them to
meager warren
because that hooded stranger had successfully lead the Horde for weeks/ months prior to that
sullen dagger
maybe not the race perse is evil, but the players which plays gnomes usually are crazy
meager warren
and not every AU orc drank the demon blood
sullen dagger
also, engenieering
true matrix
now that's just stereotyping
meager warren
^
sharp bluff
There is no honor in seeking to die, at the cost of numerous others being destroyed
tropic trail
they were evil before the blood too tho
sullen dagger
gnomes ->crazy + goblins -> crazy
sullen dagger
not really
meager warren
shush u
sharp bluff
Suarfang will always be a great horde leader, but as a person I can not respect him
meager warren
at least spell his name right
true matrix
I don't think you quite understand the actions of his character
meager warren
^
tropic trail
sour fang
sullen dagger
flour fang
meager warren
how would you behave when some depraved undead asshole threatens to kill you when you just want to die an Orc death?
rich garnet
I am horribly biased, but I don't consider Saurfang stupid. He's a warrior through and through. He has lived through every single war in recent Warcraft history.
He is by the belief that honour is paramount, and he'd rather fall, if it meant someone else could survive. It's why I love the sparring between Sylvanas and Saurfang, because she will never understand his point of view. She's way too self-absorbed. And Saurfang will never learn to understand her, as he's not been through the hell she has.
meager warren
maybe you should blame the writers instead of the character 🤔
sharp bluff
He has spent Legion trying to die on the BS
sullen dagger
bs?
tropic trail
saurfang by now is pretty old, orcs generally don't like to be feeble and old
so of course he's trying to die
meager warren
^
sharp bluff
Senile orc
meager warren
don't you know anything at all about orcs, Zep?
tropic trail
orgrimmar doesn't have too many retirement homes.
meager warren
and Saurfang has lived long
and so he wants to die by fucking battle
what a revelation
sharp bluff
Got choked by his son
sullen dagger
aganist nzoth or something like that
meager warren
and he'll probably get brought back by Sylvanas because she sucks
sharp bluff
Hunch, orc curve
sullen dagger
that would be a major fuckup from her imho
meager warren
well she did threaten to do it
sullen dagger
that would put all the orcs aganist her
rich garnet
One more to her list.
meager warren
if she does do it, we'll know she keeps her promises at least
rich garnet
She's untouchable..
sharp bluff
In old text she did I think they changed it now
tropic trail
I don't think they can kill saurfang, the orcs would have no leader
meager warren
they'd have thrall
meager warren
sure he can
tropic trail
isn't thrall retired?
true matrix
thrall is on permanent vacation
meager warren
Saurfang don't have powers either
tropic trail
vacation is when someone leaves and never comes back
sullen dagger
or happy squees garrosh from a third timeline
sharp bluff
Thrall is a shaman tgough
tropic trail
yeah also you don't need powers to be warchief
true matrix
he's sipping margaritas in the ruins of kezan
sharp bluff
And was dishonored
meager warren
Garrosh from a third timeline that's good or evil?
rich garnet
Didn't stop them offing Voljin after a whole expansion of doing nothing but celebrating the tier 3 garrison and chilling in it..
tropic trail
voljin was just a shadow hunter, which is pretty much nothing, and garrosh was a warrior
sullen dagger
that would be a major shitstorm
true matrix
warlords was bad arson
meager warren
yes it was
tropic trail
since draenor appears to have caught up in time judging by grom's model, maybe grom with have another son named garrosh from au draenor.
sullen dagger
also, big concern
tropic trail
then sylvanas will make garrosh 2 warchief,
sharp bluff
Warlords = cool but bad
true matrix
ok so we can have chromie show up now and then
meager warren
but it wasn't that bad
true matrix
NO ENTIRE EXPANSIONS ABOUT TIME TRAVEL AUS THOUGH
sullen dagger
what do you guys think on the repeteability of the warfronts?
or island xled?
xped*
tropic trail
wod's problem wasn't really the story, it was the lack of content
meager warren
i think it's unneccessary
tropic trail
WoD had some pretty big story flaws tho
like there was supposed to be the shattrath raid tier, which would've made it a lot better.
well yeah
that
like why did we let grom go free?
is because the second raid tier was cut
meager warren
because why not?
tropic trail
he did nothing to redeem himself
meager warren
so?
tropic trail
if there was another raid, there would've been more character development for grom and yrel
true matrix
yrel should've just smashed his skull in tbh
tropic trail
yeah definitely
but i think wod was pretty okay, just lacked content.
the SELFIE cam was the best thing ever created in wow though
meager warren
how did we go from talking about Saurfang dying to WoD
sullen dagger
garrosh
true matrix
my main problems were that it lacked content, had hella orc fatigue, and just... was really inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, aside from bringing gul'dan back into play for the suramar plot
sullen dagger
well, i think ome of the problems are the pallete of collors
true matrix
best thing about WoD was pepe imltho
tropic trail
for the maghar
sullen dagger
fel every fucking where
tropic trail
fel was only in the HFC patch
true matrix
ugh, yeah, the fel fatigue was pretty bad considering how much time we needed to spend in tanaan
sullen dagger
in the world, yes
tropic trail
yeah zone wise it was colorful, but all the enemies were red, then green
none of those scream red to me
sullen dagger
but in the raids?
meager warren
fel every fucking where?
did you even play WoD m8
tropic trail
even in legion, fel really wasn't super prevalent until argus and broken shore
at least bfa is going to have two colors, red and blue, (and also purple for when this inevitibly turns into a void expac)
sullen dagger
well, that was my impression tbh
true matrix
ok no legion has a MUCH more varied palette after having to deal with tanaan for... what, over a year?
tropic trail
it was pretty prevalent in Nighthold
meager warren
i have a feeling we're gonna get void-themed expacs for the next few expacs
at least until they think of something else
tropic trail
I think it's going to be BFA, lich king 2, then void
true matrix
old god raid, now with less nightmare red
tropic trail
but lich king will probably be void as well
uncut vault
I love danaths voice so much
tropic trail
doubt it
icecrown citadel is built of saronite, which is the blood of yogg saron
and also in the yogg fight you saw bolvar being tortured by the lk
i feel like the old gods have control over bolvar
and legion showed a lot of bolvar, and since bolvar's family was found, it's probably going to be the same in bfa
sharp bluff
Alliance will take his daughter as a prisoner and try to bargain (threaten) with him
sharp bluff
Would make sense, four horsemen are under his power
sharp bluff
Pc was only a conduit for it, sops should be safe
sharp bluff
Though I wonder if us DK will start to hear Yoggs voice soon
We wear his blood after all
meager warren
we're probably going to start wearing Azeroth's blood in BfA
true matrix
canon confirmed since we're all getting that azerite pendant
dapper sedge
I dont think we ll be seeing his daugther
steel venture
so bullshit thing i just remembered relating to anduin
how is he even wearing a full set of plate armor
he has difficulty walking without a cane
that is 100% canon.
meager warren
?
steel venture
he's been physically crippled ever since getting crushed by the divine bell
meager warren
it ain't canon if it's been retconned
steel venture
he shouldn't ... actually be fit enough to be leaping bounds like he is in the Battle for Lordaeron scenario.
steel venture
this is less a retconn and more of a "it wouldnt be as cool"
rich apex
He's BFFs with the universe's most powerful priest
steel venture
velen even said he may never walk the same way again
to be fair though blizzard likes one-trick-ponying any actual physical or mental disorder
saurfang's obvious PTSD played as a joke-gag in the horde azerite cinematic
true matrix
this is blizzard do u really expect them to treat any character's trauma, mental illness or physical disability with any level of respect and sensitivity
meager warren
^
rich apex
Physical and mental consequences are as relevant and permanent as the Plot demands
meager warren
it's kinda like Fitz getting irrecoverable brain dmg in Agents of Shield and somehow recovering from it.
At least blizz isn't alone in that
true matrix
did he? I haven't watched that far into season... 3? 4?
I didn't know he'd recovered from it
meager warren
i said recovering not recovered
uncut vault
I mean its been three or so years
little less, maybe
but magical healers + good recovery would probably heal him by then
true matrix
I think showing gradual recovery is a hell of a lot better than a disibility just suddenly no longer existing for plot convenience
meager warren
tru
true matrix
also lest we forget
meager warren
when did Jaina go crazy tho 🤔
true matrix
right?
rich apex
r i p
true matrix
I love blizzard, the way they just *clenches fist* demonise jaina for no reason
steel venture
especially now when jaina is perfectly and utterly valid that the horde is awful and deserves to die.
"it's gonna be a 'mystery' guys!! both sides are bad!!!"
meager warren
tbh, neither side is amazing and they're both dog-shit
true matrix
[john cena ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT meme]
meager warren
but leave my jaina alone
true matrix
they're not doing very well at portraying the two sides equally rn
meager warren
yes i'm sure about that
it's not just the horde that's responsible for the war
it takes two to be in a war
steel venture
i just want the alliance to stop being squeaky clean every expansion
is that so hard
have us round up civilians and kill them too or something
have us poison supplies
have us use dirty tactics
strange falcon
yes,goody two shoes anduin wont allow any dark themes in the alliance
steel venture
why is it only the horde
meager warren
the Horde doesn't compare at all to the nazis irl tbh
the nazis were awful, awful pos
and the horde are just
badly written
uncut vault
that item was more of a community poke
they're well aware she isnt crazy, and never wrote her as such
strange falcon
i preferred your gnome profile pic
terse patrol
Tbh I’m waiting for Tyrande to go ham and do some warcrimes to pay Sylvanas back. @Murderous Madness#9235
meager warren
Tyrande may have already done it.
She didn't allow the nightborne into the Alliance for something that happened 10k years ago
dull iron
How do i get on the beta for bfa
flat blaze
I need to play WoW the beta a little more than I currently do. Just been gearing last for no reason at all lately.