Even if she doesn't care much about individual Forsaken, or something.
#beta-ptr-spoilers
river dirge
tulip sun
Alleria has a major hate for her even hearing that she is associated with the Horde
and we are assuming their meeting does not go well, seeing as Alleria is one of the leaders to confront Sylvanas in Lordaeron's ending scene.
true matrix
yeah but surely sylvanas has some kind of feelings towards her sistars. regardless of the nature of the emotion. that's still showing she can feel.
gilded drum
Alleria and her like 12 10 billion void elves lmao
river dirge
alleria: "sylvanas haha ur mom gay"
alleria: "wait nO"
tulip sun
Vereesa is now the only "normal" windrunner
river dirge
Is there anything in the alpha about the void elf numbers rising?
tulip sun
Not really, but they do participate in the battle
river dirge
Like, did Locus Walker finally find a way to make more?
tulip sun
and Umbric presumably is in Zandalar somewhere, as he is a Alliance follower
river dirge
Yeah, I saw that, I'm in the alpha, just haven't played much.
limber mural
Relating to Saurfang, I could see kinda a thoughtline about his son
true matrix
Reach WITH IN to Your LOCAL Void and You May Find a Friend And Elf
limber mural
Like 'following blindly the will of my master'
meager warren
Wot? Void elves participate but highmountain tauren, lightforged, and nightborne don't?
limber mural
Nope
tulip sun
^^ My thoughts
limber mural
Lightforged- nowhere to be seen
meager warren
That's stupid af
gilded drum
There are supposed to be very few Void Elves from my knowledge, a select handful of Alleria's followers.
meager warren
Way to go bliz
tulip sun
In the art commission blizz got of the battle, that artist included a highmountain
true matrix
most of this is stupid af.
tulip sun
But like
Even the blood elves are not shown there in bulk
I do not know if it is gameplay reasons(I hope so...)
But if it is not gameplay reasons, they need more to appear
Ok
ANOTHER MUSING
We all know how Lor'themar/Literally all horde soldiers vanish after the retreat.
limber mural
Void elves were supposed to be like, very few but very highly trained and theoretically infinitely powerful
gilded drum
Canonically Blood Elves are supposed to be fairly low in population. They were added to the horde on the brink of extinction or something.
true matrix
can't really think of a reasonable gameplay function that would exclude a specific race of characters from appearing
limber mural
Well yeah they would be, whole concept of blood elves was they nearly got wiped out
Well theoretically the nightborne and high mountain and etc do take part because players do
tulip sun
What if Thalyssra and Nightborne/Blood Elf Mages open portals to get everyone out of the city. Thalyssra does her bubble magic to block all attacks while this occurs; everyone leaves exceptt Nathanos, Sylvanas, Baine and the Horde Champions. The ones that stay finish the job, and Oculeth teleports them out at the last second.
meager warren
Aren't literally all elven races on the brink of extincyion?
limber mural
the kaldorei seem ok
gilded drum
Kaldorei are fine
tulip sun
We are fixing that in BfA xD
meager warren
Tfw you hate autocorrect so much you turn it off and it's better
gilded drum
Blood elves are low population
tulip sun
OH MY GASH
I hated watching the videos on Alliance's quests with Nightborne
Killing Oculeth's apprentices đ
:*(
Wrong face, lol
All allied races(currently added) are involved in BfA except Lightforged.
Still don't know why
true matrix
this entire expansion concept is pretty stupid tbh
"resolving the faction conflict" you mean the one we've been resolving for like 3 expansions already?
tulip sun
I doubt it will resolve after all the deaths...
gilded drum
We are "fixing" it guys
tulip sun
It would be pretty fantastic though for the of WoW to be the void lords, and literally everyone dies during the course of the war...everyone we ever met giving their lives to end it. EVERYONE gets a magnificent death scene đ
the end*
meager warren
Oh because going to war and deliberately pissing each other off is fixing it
ruby star
Hopefully lothermar dies đ
true matrix
we band together as a united planet to take out the legion and now we're back to squabbling over a couple sparkly rocks 
tulip sun
Why though. He is probably, to the Alliance, one of the more competent leaders.
It would be fantastic to see Alleria and Lor'themar fighting in a cinematic though
true matrix
lor'themar is too much of a bamf to die
tulip sun
(Apparently Alleria targets Gallywix though? That ought to turn out well, lol)
ruby star
Inb4 Alleria kills Lor'themar
meager warren
what's a bamf
true matrix
badass mofo
meager warren
Ah
tulip sun
The artists are giving Blood Elves a little special treatment compared to other races though
Males get new mouths, they get new eyse
eyes
true matrix
THEY'RE FINALLY GETTING RID OF THE DUCKFACE
ruby star
Inb4 Quel'dorei Allied race â¤
true matrix
male belves all have weird pouty lips
gilded drum
Where do I post my BfA memes guys
tulip sun
Honestly never noticed it until they put the faces side by side lol
meager warren
I main a male belf and i've not seen that
true matrix
wow, really? in the circles I run in the male belf duckface is practically infamous
but I guess most of my friends are artists
meager warren
I'm shit at everything including anatomy so that may be why but i mean, i'm a male so it's weird i haven't seen it
tulip sun
Very interesting
One voiceline mentions other members of the Horde not neccesarily happy about what happened
and nothing about calling the Horde expendable, so that -must- by Eitrigg, weirdly
Not the Horde
Mag'har
true matrix
tulip sun
I like this one idea he has
About sylvanas removing the warchief mantle and them all leading as a sort of council. (How the Alliance SHOULD be led)
tulip sun
I don't think this is real
But....that would be a pretty nice way to incorporate thetm
them
and potentialy setting up future villains
(How else would Grom have gotten those sweat scars on his new model? :P)
true matrix
"Garrosh (who is a girl)" I don't think that's how orcish naming conventions work
tulip sun
Ya, but I am certain Geyarah will be a relative of Durotan or Grom though
ruby star
Tbh it's probably not true
tulip sun
RIP Areiel, one of the more known Dark Rangers
Shandris kills her....and then Areiel sees what Sylvanas has tried to protect them from
rigid furnace
Given how Geya'rah is two letters and a ' from Geyah, Thrall's Grandma....it's considerably likely she's likely the child AU Durotan and AU Draka had post-WoD, so if anything it's a "If Thrall was female and fully raised in his culture at birth".
tulip sun
I am sorry, but that one comment was just funny, lol.
meager warren
They could make another AU where Garrosh's parents survived
or, one in which they survived and he was born but then someone went back in time and killed them before he was born and he gets chased by a ghost or something that's trying to remove him from existence since he technically wouldn't exist but he survives anyway
plot of Black Flash and Flash at some points in DC comics
tulip sun
I think I am the only one who is enjoying what was seen so far.
true matrix
rubs temples
tulip sun
So...
Who is this Blood Prince?...
Alleria and Gallywix
Alleria opens a void portal behind her.
Allow your new allies, the void elves, to lead the charge in eliminating Gallywix.
We will hunt him down and bring you his head, while Shandris maintains our focus on tracking that Blood Prince.
meager warren
hopefully the blood prince evades them erry'time
so that it can somehow help the Horde/ Alliance and be helped by them and eventually the blood trolls could join the Horde/ Alliance at some point
ruby star
Veersa won't be dying đ
ruby star
She won't, She's not the elf in the burning of tel
ruby star
Pretty sure no mention of her in any datamining for it or any mention of her in the book from collectors edition extract
People think she will die in the burning of tel causeof a piece of artwork
Which is cleary not Veersa
terse patrol
I mean, itâs not like itâs an elf in blue, the colors of the Quelâdorei.
Totally not.
And they totally arenât going to use Vereesaâs death to cement Alleriaâs hatred for Sylvanas.
dense plover
can i just say that im confused by what they are doing with saurfang? Its like they want him to be strong and honorable, while also not honorable and having given up
im so confused
terse patrol
also
Where did Sylvanas gain the ability to raise the dead?
Thereâs not a single Valâkyr in that cutscene.
ruby star
@terse patrol the elf in the picture is clearly a Night Elf
terse patrol
clearly 
meager warren
Because what can he do, peach? Sylv is just gonna keep raising him if he dies so what's the poin t?
terse patrol
Thatâs why Sylvanas would just stand by this random night elf.
For clearly an extended period.
Watching the tree burn together.
terse patrol
Clearly it lasts long enough for us to get there from Stormwind.
meager warren
I mean
terse patrol
I still think it is.
ruby star
Theres no evidence pointing it to be Veersa apart from an Elf in the picture which does not look lil Veersa
Like*
ruby star
The elfs ears look more Night elf too
ruby star
Their ears go in different directions pretty sure?
terse patrol
What better way, narratively, to express the prices Sylvanas is paying to pursue this war: via the unintentional killing of her own sister. And in some manner of empathy for her dying sister, Sylvanas stays by her side while the two watch the ultimate outcome of her offensive into Ashenvale.
ruby star
But it's highly unlikely with all the stuff given to us so far
Such as datamines text, collectors edition extract etc etc
terse patrol
Have you seen Vereesa once in the alpha materials so far?
uncut vault
it would be an interesting story, but theres no signs vereesa is involved, at all
ruby star
And she doesn't have to appear in alpha
terse patrol
Who else could it POSSIBLY be.
ruby star
Its alpha
uncut vault
Delaryn
the lady we LITERALLY have art of, who looks exactly like that
and who is an active participant in the burning of teldrassil prepatch
ruby star
^
uncut vault
and who has no datamined NPCS past the prepatch
uncut vault
yep
ruby star
Yes
meager warren
That makes a lot of sense guys. Sarcastic applause
terse patrol
Sylvanas would put another arrow in her and walk off.
uncut vault
I mean, night elf commander whos actively involved in the siege makes a lot more sense than her sister teleporting in just to be shot by sylvanas
ruby star
^
terse patrol
After the wholesale slaughter of Nelves, why would she stand at this elfâs side for such a long time?
Vereesa hasnât been relevant for ages.
Itâs the perfect time to end her character with a bang.
What better way to start the war with the death of a Windrunner sister, leaving one on the Horde, and one on the Alliance?
sharp bluff
Arrow in the elf is not Sylvanisâ
terse patrol
Vereesa wouldnât be the one killed by Sylvanas.
My guess is, Sylvanas arrives after the deed was already done.
ruby star
High Elves Allied race would make Vereesa very relevant đ
terse patrol
You act like thatâs confirmed.
ruby star
I'm not
terse patrol
Arator is more relevant than Vereesa.
ruby star
I just personally think its highly likely they will happen
terse patrol
If anyone lead the High Elves, itâd be Arator.
terse patrol
I canât believe people unironically think that elf is Delaryn. đ
ruby star
It probably is tbh
terse patrol
@meager warren you hearin this
ruby star
But we won't know till more information comes out so
true matrix
"Vereesa could unite all remaining high elves under one banner" yeah all five of them
ruby star
Haha very funny
terse patrol
Thereâs more than that.
terse patrol
My guess is, Vereesa dies. If Helves are an Allied Race, they rally behind Arator. Yes, heâs half blood, but isnât that the perfect representative for high elves? đ
meager warren
But at this point, anything anyone says here is xonjecture imo. But still, it's sad that you're all so sure of who the elf is
tulip sun
Why would they heal a night elf
On the topic of halfbreeds
Does Garona, in lore
Have any draenei features?
Stub of a tail? Small makings of horns
true matrix
you and I both know garona's lore is a mess
uncut vault
No, shes mostly orc to the point where they though she was half human instead of draenei
tulip sun
I kinda wish she at least had like a stub tail or something...show her lineage. Rexxar got a nice model to show it
terse patrol
Garona being suddenly gung ho for the Horde is just
meager warren
Rexxar is relavant, garona isnt
true matrix
yeah his new model is sweet
terse patrol
Stupid.
true matrix
it'd be nice to see more of garona's mixed heritage in her appearance
terse patrol
âhehe i killed one alliance king, maybe i could kill anotherâ
Man, I call BS.
Also, Lilian Vossâ whole âhunt and kill Necromancersâ thing.
Forgotten just to make her Horde.
tulip sun
I think people need to be more open minded and look at the big picture....lemme get on computer to type
terse patrol
Nah, I want them to stick to their own lore.
tulip sun
First off, let us be realistic here. A lot of Alliance people are kinda racist, they don't care what kind of orc you are, or if you are an undead under Sylvanas. Your all bad. Garona is physically a full fledged orc, who happened to also kill Anduin's ancestor(Grandfather?). I do not know whether that is common knowledge that she was being controlled, but I doubt it is. Do you really think, in an event that is currently happening, the normal generals and soldiers of the Horde would distinguish Garona from savage lady warrior number 500? -please let me finish before yelling that I am wrong-
Same with Voss...Genn will kill her no matter what, she is undead and an abomination to him. She can't stand alone against that, she needs backup, despite not particularly liking Sylvanas, which she even says in the datamined dialogue. She is there simply to survive.
But lets also not take Garona's dialogue for example, as face value. Garona is a trickster, and wouldn't you rather be getting on Nathanos' good side?
We are in Alpha people
Cool down the hatred.
uncut vault
Nathanos talked about that, Stormwind rejected the forsaken as mindless undead and killed their messengers after the forsaken tried to negotiate with them. So why should the forsaken not want to kill them?
tulip sun
^^^
signal patio
Is anyone online who has beta access? I want to know if the ensemble that Sarah The Savage in Dalaran sells still needs a 2000+ rating to buy
terse patrol
yall forget who was in power at the time
Onyxia I think still held sway in Stormwind.
Why would she help the Alliance get stronger?
Also
She kinda slaughtered the last living people in Lordaeron.
She brought it on herself.
tulip sun
So no discussion? Only a petty attempt of trying to excuse your faction? I don't know what I expected. Only focused on one small bit of my post.
There are plenty of reasons that the said characters would join and help the Horde
It is a benefit to them, the Alliance would rather see them dead in all likelyhood.
As I said previously, just gotta open your minds guys, and not focus on the hate train going around about everything.
terse patrol
I mean, Garona killed the king of the Alliance, unintentionally. He was her friend.
Why would she suddenly be like
âHECK YEAH LETS KILL THE GRANDSON OF MY FRIEND.â
uncut vault
and the alliance despised her for it. It's iffy, but there is reasoning there. If they remove the line about killing another king, I think itll be fine
tulip sun
Because she is talking to the second to Sylvanas
Was she suppose to tell him that she truly cared for the King? Sylvanas would TOTALLY trust her then
terse patrol
This would be like Valeera Sanguinar being like âtotally Iâll help you guys kill Anduin.â
tulip sun
As I said, don't take everything to how it first appears. WoW characters can scheme and lie too
They are not one dimensional blocks
terse patrol
Or she could do what sheâs been doing, and focus on hunting down Old God followers?
tulip sun
Are you ignoring what I previously said? v.v
dense plover
woah
lets make this simpler
just because you like one human
doesnt mean you like all of them
meager warren
Khamnin, in Honk's defense, Lillian has been focused on one task since her introduction. One.
But now suddenly she wants to help the Horde even though she was so against joining the Forsaken before?
Sure, characters can lie and scheme but it makes no sense for her to just suddenly start doing that out of nowhere now when she's been more or less honest this whole time
dense plover
maybe it wasnt sudden?
shes been forsaken for a while now
also, in a quest, lillian talks about how being forsaken changes you
and how there are consequences
but theres a family of forsaken who dont find you apalling
because theyre awful too
tulip sun
Ok, lets recap this.
Lilian's plot to murder the scarlet crusade was over; finished. Do you think she just stays stagnant when we don't focus in on her story?
river dirge
Races aren't a monolith and they don't all share opinions, much like any culture on earth. Culturally most people will be taught to think in certain scopes,and they have a cultural framework to start from, but individuals are still individuals.
tulip sun
Alliance leaders are out on a murder spree of Undead, WHICH she happens to be. The dialogue even states she doesn't have any loyalty regarding Sylvanas
But the Forsaken thrive...survive as one.
river dirge
The thing with the Forsaken is that they are a construct that can be more complex than just serving Sylvanas.
tulip sun
Survival is a perfect explanation, and honestly I think her dialogue thus far is perfectly fine. It makes her history of not liking people such as Sylvanas evident.
She flat out says it
river dirge
You can "feel" Forsaken without liking Sylvanas, as much as you can ascribe to a particular political ideology without liking its current/past leadership.
tulip sun
Koko, I understand what your saying, but we are discussing two individuals and there reasonings đŽ
river dirge
Right right.
tulip sun
Garona and Voss are clear examples of not being like the majority
But there comes times when you have to band with like-minded individuals for survival
As for Garona, I think it makes perfect sense to team up with the Horde. The alliance sure is not going to be kind ot her.
to*
river dirge
To be honest, characters like them both have two choices
Either go alone against the world pretty much
Or actually be pragmatic
One has a much higher survival and success rate than the other
tulip sun
As I said before, the Alliance will not discriminate whether your with the Horde or not. Genn, Tyrande, etc., will kill them on the spot
river dirge
Yep
tulip sun
Rexxar is even leading the charge. He has not been heavily involved like this since WC3. It is major. Both sides are terrible to the other...the forums just kill me on the inside. If I try to say anything too, I am yelled at Xd
meager warren
It's possible to survive purely on your own. Though, that's if you don't drive yourself mad first
vocal sparrow
Speaking of Garona and voss. somone in the coments section of a news post pointed something out that I suddenly have quite the intrest in.
What group were Garona and Voss both serving the last time we saw them?
The Uncrowned. The group that was named as such to be a shadow government of sorts that assinates and takes out leaders of nations?
This is a bit more sublty then blizzard normally shows so I never thought of it but perhaps Garona and Voss are faking full loyalty to the horde, ready to take the Banshee Queen's crown if things go down a darker path then the uncrowned is willing to allow?
meager warren
Hopefully
vocal sparrow
It would help their jarring shift in charctirzation, being loners who hate both sides, suddenly picking a side.
eternal maple
Do anyone know at what level in the alpha you can start the prequest having to do with the burning of teldrassil? Do you need to be max level or finish some zones before that?
cinder osprey
Do we know unlocks for MagâHar or Dark Iron yet?
rigid furnace
It'd be nice if each class hall got a sort of....segue way to events unfolding and a taste of why individuals from said groups are acting in a particular fashion. Can you imagine the chaos going on in the Dreamgrove after all that? How difficult will it be for class groups who should be neutral to remain so?
ruby prawn
The burning of teldrasil will happen in a pre-patch before the launch. Same as the battle for Lordaeron
@eternal maple
They are the reason we go to Zandalar and the kul'tyrans
fiery vale
When we will get the pre-patch in PTR?
ruby prawn
Nobody knows
tropic trail
It's so soon if you think about it
It's almost May
And the expansion is out August
Prepatch will probably hit late July or August
It's pretty soon
Basically until July, it's 2 months
ruby prawn
And Infinity War is less than a week away
eternal maple
@ruby prawn oh, sorry, Wowhead just ment they datamined the quests I suppose. đ http://www.wowhead.com/news=283730/burning-of-teldrassil-intro-questing-spoilers
mint arch
lol, "alliance is racist" "they will kill horde on site"
as if the horde won't and isn't already killing alliance (civs as well) on sight
As I said before, the Alliance will not discriminate whether your with the Horde or not. Genn, Tyrande, etc., will kill them on the spot
lol
I'm sure if the horde leaders ever see a nice ol' alliance race NPC who isnt in the alliance, they'll definitely not kill em on sight, cause only Alliance are "racists"... both sides hate the other and both are "racists" and both kill... so pls
voss joining the horde.... there are ways it can make some sense i guess
but garona.... nope -_-
just hope there is some shit going on behind the scenes with garona, pls blizzard, use some imagination pls
hollow dock
So. Anduin is actively trying for peace. Sylvanas is slaughterin civies by execution.
Sylvanas is the good guy remember that guys.
mint arch
good guy, misunderstood, doing it for the horde~
mint arch
id say horde isnt evil, but the sylvanas horde IS evil
near cosmos
But then again, if Baine and Lor'themar don't speak up (as it sounds like they're not at the moment), then they are complicit and thus evil
mint arch
^
which is SO out of character for them
itd be clear, blizzard writers dont give a fck
pastel ore
The Alliance is evil
For the Horde
mint arch
oh dayum, behind tesco
watch out man
xD
this all would be fine if blizzard gave horde players quests to not comply with sylvanas's orders
as players, we lead the order halls, we have authority
pastel ore
Omae wa mou shindeiru
near cosmos
closest thing to noncompliance is "gas mask only" instead of "fuck it give me a blight gun"
ruby star
Hopefully Lor'themar dies though đ
mint arch
i hope there's more of that choice
near cosmos
nani did u just say to me u baka
mint arch
as the war goes on, horde players more and more
near cosmos
Im new so I haven't scrolled up but theres rumours that a lot of stuff is fake to keep dataminers in check
mint arch
eventually leading to the saurfang rebellion
near cosmos
that would be an interesting way of going about it
pastel ore
U are already dead
ruby star
Inb4 Saurfang and Gromassh overthrow Slyvnas
mint arch
meh, blizzard putting in fake at this amount is not happening
maybe smaller things
but we have cinematics now
or wip cinematics
and book text
and so on
near cosmos
yeah thats the thing, the cinematics are ingame, which any random wanker with SFM can make
ruby star
Surely Grommash would not lile Syvlanas actions
mint arch
blizzard are pressed for time though
there's not a lot of time till beta
then release
its in August
which is much earlier
near cosmos
maybe its that river in Egypt rearing its ugly head again but theres hope
mint arch
the only thing is im scared blizzard will have sylvanas as hitler
but then some stupid shit and she'll be "redeemed" with no consquences
-_-
ruby star
Don't worry Grommash will wreck Slyvanas
near cosmos
#TodesRaumFurDerForsaken
mint arch
comes and smacks that bitch
pastel ore
She is probably going to do a garrosh i think
ruby star
Hell yes @mint arch
floral nacelle
Oh boi
ruby star
Grommash should be warchief
mint arch
ah, he's busy leading the AU draenor
floral nacelle
Grommash should not be Warchief.
mint arch
he can't be warchief
near cosmos
na m80s what's gonna happen is garrosh is gonna show up with a brown spike in his chest and sickly skin colour and say that that random field was merely a setback
Kappa
mint arch
he should only help in some way then thats it
floral nacelle
He's a war criminal Blizzard didn't bother to actually write the consequences for.
Because come on. Who actually talks about WoD nowadays
pastel ore
He is a hero dammit
floral nacelle
He is in our timeline
ruby star
Either way Lor'themar needs to die and Slyvanas de throned
ruby star
Yeah filthy Blood Elves
floral nacelle
Cairne actually spoke up against Horde idiocy
pastel ore
Can we get a delorean plz
ruby star
Baine can live though
floral nacelle
Baine can live because I see a lot of potential for his character
mint arch
honestly, get lorthemar as warchief
floral nacelle
But Lor'themar is jus a blind bat
ruby star
Lor'thamr can die cause he's a Blood Elf
floral nacelle
No, Lor'themar is still Regent Lord of the Blood Elves. Elves are known to be rather arrogant and xenophobic.
The Sin'dorei treaty with the elves is a reluctant one after all
with the Horde*
ruby star
All Sin'dorei should be kicked out of eastern kingdoms
floral nacelle
They should
Alliance should get dibs on the Sunwell
That'd be cool
make us the bad guys for once
near cosmos
I bet Thalyssra is fuckin regretting not putting up with Tyrande's shit now
"hm yes these nelves distrust us but belves are chill"
instantly, war crimes occur
"Bollocks."
ruby star
Then Quel'dorei can take their place
floral nacelle
Quel'dorei cannot take their place
mint arch
problem is blizzard don't know how to write alliance as villains without generic dumb shit
pastel ore
All banshees should be banished from the horde
floral nacelle
Quel'dorei are nigh-extinct.
mint arch
ya, how the fck are allied races okay with sylvanas xD
ruby star
More High Elves then void elves
mint arch
thalyssra will be like, oh look, another elisandre
floral nacelle
That's not true
ruby star
It is true
pastel ore
Ye
floral nacelle
About 90% of the banished elves became blood elves
mint arch
high elves will happen in wow's last xpac
floral nacelle
Actually scratch that one
near cosmos
what could happen is, give the Belf area to the High Elves, then leave them for an expansion or two, then there will be plenty of them, time for them to repopulate đ
floral nacelle
But when the scourge hit, about 90% of High Elves died. And became Blood Elves when following Kael'thas.
near cosmos
#ElvenGoldshireInn
floral nacelle
90% of high elves became blood elves
ruby star
Theres still enough High Elves for them to be playable anyway đ
floral nacelle
There isn't.
near cosmos
I dont think game mechanics care too much about how many there are
ruby star
Theres LESS void elves
pastel ore
Ye
floral nacelle
High Elves as it stands right now are 1% of the former Blood Elf population.
near cosmos
I didnt play much in vanilla but didn't we murder the shit out of a lot of Dark Iron Dwarves đ
mint arch
lore =/= gameplay ya
ruby star
Population doesn't matter for Allied races
pastel ore
We did @near cosmos
floral nacelle
Void Elves are blood elves exiled for practicing void. Meaning more may come as time moves on. It's an ever-growing population.
near cosmos
I just wish you didnt have to grind so much bloody rep to unlock them
floral nacelle
And plus, High Elves don't really matter right now
Model-wise we already have the models.
ruby star
If they can replicate thr same process and they do matter a lot
mint arch
banished for void... meanwhile fel classes
floral nacelle
Still think Helves don't really stand high on the priority list
pastel ore
U get dark-iron dwarves from the warcampaign i dont think there is a rep grind there
floral nacelle
Perhaps as a customization option
mint arch
come people, join the void! our lord and saviour Nzoth will save us all! :D
floral nacelle
But if I recall High Elves are mostly neutral
ruby star
Void elves should not have high elf options
near cosmos
I meant the existing ones @pastel ore Im not exalted with any of the argus factions yet qq
ruby star
And no they are not
H8gh elves HATE blood elves and horde
And are loyal to the alliance
floral nacelle
shrug
tulip sun
@mint arch Uh, just replying to your earlier thing. The Horde happen to be making a truce with Pirates? Even using their base? Kul Tiran pirates.....so they obviously don't kill alliance races on site, unlike Alliance, which have proven themselves to do so.
ruby star
Population doesn't matter though
floral nacelle
Yeah it kinda does
ruby star
Theres not a lot of void elves either
floral nacelle
Yeah there are
ruby star
No theres not lol
tulip sun
High Elves need to appear at LEAST as npcs
There is a general high elf in a warfront I heard.
near cosmos
trying to convince anyone the Alliance is somehow as bad or worse than the Horde
my sides
ruby star
You back your shit up then
near cosmos
m8 if u cant cite at least 5 unrelated studies proving why the population of one imaginary civilisation is higher than another then u need to leave
Kappa
floral nacelle
^
ruby star
Nah
floral nacelle
Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.
mint arch
@tulip sun just before i reply, what truce do u mean?
near cosmos
what I think we all can agree on is that at some point Blizz will probably add high elves, whether it makes sense lore wise or not
ruby star
Theres plenty of communtiy support đ
floral nacelle
That there is
ruby star
They are a community favourite
mint arch
they probably won't cause how will high elves be different from blood elves?
i mean, looks wise
and such
tulip sun
In BfA questing, when the Horde goes to Kul Tiras, they literally recruit a Kul'Tiran Human pirate gang, using their First Mate and helping her overthrow teh captain. Then that First Mate(now captain) gives them free reign in their port.
ruby star
And the most highly requested alled race
near cosmos
well I mean, Alliance players have been asking for High Elves since the beginning of WoW and I don't think that many people asked for Mag'har Orcs whatever the fuck that is đ
floral nacelle
But Alleria being a high elf could've easily went to wherever the fuck the high elves are now and recruited them
ruby star
Yeah Void elves were a mistake but its too late to get rid of them now
floral nacelle
Lorewise it would've made sense
near cosmos
velves are like anime
a mistake
đ
floral nacelle
But the fact she didn't and blizz didn't add them, is not something I'm going to wave away here
Not saying it -is- something.
But it could be.
ruby star
Tbh I can see High Elves being added in the future
floral nacelle
I feel like we haven't really seen enough of the high elves in general
near cosmos
I think it's more to do with the fact that they wanted Alleria to become trained in the Void before they decided on adding allied races, or at least before they decided to specifically add void elves
floral nacelle
I mean, everything significant that involved High Elves
mint arch
@tulip sun .... so ur going to use that one instance/few quests to claim horde don't ever attack on sight? but alliance always attack on sight?
floral nacelle
Were mostly particular, solo high elves
near cosmos
sight*
tulip sun
I am giving proof that the Horde does not kill all humans on sight. While we all know for a fact all undead would be killed on sight, especially by the likes of Genn or Tyrande. Sky Admiral Rogers.
floral nacelle
"let's disobey direct orders"
near cosmos
yeah its not like genn or tyrande or admiral rogers have a reason to hate the forsaken and undead in general
oh wait lol
tulip sun
They killed all the forsaken diplomats when they tried to make contact with the Alliance
and that was before the war
floral nacelle
Do you fucking blame them though
tulip sun
and joining the Horde
floral nacelle
they're inhumane
mint arch
so 1 instance = always attack on sight
tulip sun
No, but it is still proof that they kill them on sight
mint arch
i don't understand what ur trying to say
floral nacelle
Because we just had the fucking 3rd war.
mint arch
both sides will attack on sight
mint arch
and there are instances when they dont
near cosmos
"hey guys we super promise we aren't scourge and this is TOTALLY not a trick guys, can we come back?"
"yes this seems reasonable let's welcome these people home"
tulip sun
Voidox, yes, they would attack THE OTHER FACTION on sight.
near cosmos
wot
mint arch
and there were REASONs as cynical is pointing out
floral nacelle
"Let's just be peaceful to these guys that previously tried to murder us all"
mint arch
^
floral nacelle
"indiscriminately"
tulip sun
But even the Horde are joining with Humans now. If the Horde attacked on sight as you say, they would kill the pirates.
mint arch
nah man, the alliance shouldve known these were forsaken and totally not evil
tulip sun
Genn won't distinquish an independent undead from a forsaken
floral nacelle
You do understand some humans aren't Alliance, right?
tulip sun
That is kinda my point
mint arch
ur point is fine, my point is that BOTH sides would and wouldn't attack on sight
floral nacelle
Horde totally would.
mint arch
u can't point to 1 instance to make a claim for entire faction
floral nacelle
If it carries Alliance, it's either interrogated or murdered.
mint arch
or that they "would always attack on sight"
floral nacelle
Ofc he fucking wouldn't.
tulip sun
They all hate undead
mint arch
u can't say a lot of others wouldn't
floral nacelle
Correction.
mint arch
velen wouldnt
floral nacelle
They hate -Forsaken-.
mint arch
gnomes wouldnt
floral nacelle
Dwarves wouldn't.
mint arch
she didnt attack the nightborne on sight
floral nacelle
Experiment on humans.
floral nacelle
Torture
floral nacelle
Forsaken -are- pretty much evil.
tulip sun
No, forsaken are not all evil
mint arch
like, wtf u want alliance to do?
to ask each forsaken: "are u evil?"
when their leader is evil
tulip sun
They have civilians, innocents, people not involved with Sylvanas.
floral nacelle
Forsaken -are- evil.
near cosmos
@floral nacelle na m8 that was just putress he's the bad guy and hes still alive and hes mind controlling sylvanas thats why shes doing this she would never shes a good leader and not evil
floral nacelle
ikr
mint arch
make sure, only alliance, research the forsaken... somehow.. and ask before attacking
floral nacelle
They could've chosen to be independant and not stand with the Horde and Forsaken, like the Trollbane lad.
Or just to simply kill themselves.
steel venture
... didnt trollbane still attack us
floral nacelle
He wasn't Horde nor Alliance.
mint arch
like, u have to realize the forsaken is tricky situation for the alliance
steel venture
????????????????????????? he left because he wanted to make his own kingdom again and fight for it
floral nacelle
^
steel venture
and that means attack horde and alliance
mint arch
not all alliance know forsaken =/= scourge right
mint arch
*alliance people
near cosmos
Im gonna need two Ashbringers for the amount of heresy going on here
tulip sun
I am done talking because you guys don't even look at what all I type apparently.
steel venture
not a good example if you want independant undead that yknow
are different than regular forsaken.
steel venture
trollbane basically acts still like a cata-era forsaken and is a complete dick
floral nacelle
Galen is different from the regular Forsaken
near cosmos
"People point out I am wrong so I am going to end the discussion so I don't have to admit I was wrong, or even that there are two sides"
floral nacelle
Just still hostile
sudden oak
@near cosmos
near cosmos
hahah
mint arch
moar heresy pls
steel venture
also no khamnin does have an actual point
mint arch
he has a point, we've addressed his point
floral nacelle
Thing is, we can see that the Forsaken can clearly choose to kill themselves.
steel venture
there are forsaken that are basically like senile old people that dont actually know better?
steel venture
so they are far more innocent
actually, many forsaken get to that state
where they're still there but rather senile
near cosmos
[Citation needed]
steel venture
@near cosmos original starting zone for forsaken
mint arch
i think some people see undead as not an evil thing o.O
floral nacelle
Most undead are pretty much evil
steel venture
We had Lillian, but now Blizzard's fuckin' over her character out of the blue.
Unless her being loyal to the Horde is a ruse because she's Uncrowed.
near cosmos
in wider fantasy lore sure you can say undead aren't always evil, but I think WoW has taken a much more black and white with occasional grey elements kind of stance
near cosmos
We shall wear no crows
tulip sun
Ok, no need to insult me guys. We were trying to have a civil conversation, or at least I was.
steel venture
The Orders aren't gone, it's just that they're taking a back seat to the faction war atm.
mint arch
not insulting you Khamnin
never intended to
lul
convo is generally always civil unless someone goes about trolling or cursing or shouting
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
floral nacelle
Galen Trollbane is technically evil, but with good intentions. Forsaken do the most abominable acts, and voluntarily follow some mind-addled, sadistic dictator who condones, and orders these inhumane acts. Such as but not limited to: Use of deadly and excruciatingly painful chemical weaponry (plague). Planting humans in the ground and have rabid ghouls attack them. Plague bombing of southshore. Plaguing of Gilneas which at the time wasn't even ALliance, nor outright attacked the scourge (which they used to be) during the Third War. Then we have alleged human experimentation
Scourge is evil. Ebon blade is heavily questionable at best, but still loyal to the Alliance and Horde.
mint arch
nah man, thats all "misunderstandings"
near cosmos
then there's that one human wandering around Undercity, she's been lobotomised and speaks Gutterspeech
that's all fine too
floral nacelle
^
But nah, Forsaken aren't evil. Neither are the civilians who follow the dictatorship they clearly have a way of getting out of.
mint arch
man, i so wish sylvanas was a guy, id love to see how many ppl would defend him
floral nacelle
Just like Galen did
near cosmos
there's certainly also no body parts being hung up on chains in the research facilities down in the Undercity either
mint arch
purple waifu must be defended
steel venture
i mean people legitimately defend garrosh still and he's a guy
mint arch
hmm, das true
floral nacelle
If Sylvanas wasn't WoW Fan Jerking-Off material #1 she would be dead by WotLK
mint arch
but not as many
steel venture
so if anything you'd just have another character supremicists can latch onto and be like "BUT THEY'RE SOOOO JUSTIFIED!!!"
mint arch
yup, @floral nacelle
floral nacelle
And Garrosh isn't really that great, but he had some good points
he wanted the Horde to return to it's originality
mint arch
ppl generally defend garrosh when blizzard wrote him well
floral nacelle
but the way he did it was pretty much war crimes
mint arch
its not the blanket defense sylvanas gets
near cosmos
so you could technically say that blizzard is baiting sylvanas waifu people with making her more and more evil
they are master baiters đ¤
floral nacelle
What Garrosh did isn't justified in the slightest, but his intentions are true
steel venture
tbh the issue really is sylvanas isnt out of character.
she is a bad person
she has always
been a bad person
mint arch
^
floral nacelle
Mhm.
mint arch
yup
floral nacelle
But the Horde doesn't do shit about that.
mint arch
she is undead, undead generally are evil
undead usually can't feel or emotions
and such
steel venture
she was a bad person even when she was alive tbh.
she was wasting time baiting this extremely dangerous DK and taunting him like she couldn't be touched by him
floral nacelle
Baine is too much of a pussy. Lor'themar is too busy looking down on the rest, the Darkspear are fucked without Vol'jin, Orcs are preparing for war and generally distrust Sylvanas but have loyalty to the concept of "Horde". Goblins are in it for money.
steel venture
which just pissed him off and made him do MORE damage
near cosmos
I bet vol'jin is rolling over in his urn, "I'm going to name her Warchief so that she can't pull more shady shit behind the scenes"
a few tiny teeny war crimes later
"Oh ya bastards..."
mint arch
if that was the reasoning for her being warchief
floral nacelle
You know what I think?
mint arch
fcking wut blizzard
steel venture
its not.
near cosmos
it's a theory
mint arch
ya, i just hope it isnt true
steel venture
everyone assumes it was probably the old gods who told vol'jin to put her as warchief now
floral nacelle
You know how Horde players go take Vol'jin's ashes with him to Zuldazar?
And have this questline with his spirit and all
mint arch
is definately the old gods, we know mid-xpac is old gods
floral nacelle
I have the feeling he'll confess Sylvanas wasn't meant to be Warchief, and that the Old Gods whispered it to her
near cosmos
we don't know for certain if it was the loa who told him or if that's just something he made up at the end cause everyone knows how much he respects the loa
mint arch
so blizzard doing all this forcing and shit for the war is -_-
cause we know it'll end with A and H joining up
to beat back Nzoth
or whoeveer
steel venture
at least we get queen azshara
mint arch
they can't do that, cause anything AvH has to end up "even"
varian dies
so vol'jin must as well
floral nacelle
Vol'jin died like a bitch though
near cosmos
Id love for this to be an xpack where we DONT have to ally with the opposite faction
floral nacelle
Garrosh died like a bitch
steel venture
cairne didnt die like a bitch what
mint arch
problem with that @near cosmos is it would require more work from blizzard
floral nacelle
Well one blow to the chest and he just dies
steel venture
he was actually winning but then he got poisoned dude
mint arch
to making two sides of everything
steel venture
it was poisoned
mint arch
and they won't/can't do that
mint arch
so it's always 1 raid, 1 thing that both sides do
near cosmos
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
mint arch
world of warcraft: battle for(ced) azeroth
floral nacelle
clean sl8 m8, I h8 to be l8 for my d8 with K8 tho, you must rel8
near cosmos
m80 boi
floral nacelle
i prfer m420
near cosmos
m'420
floral nacelle
4 times as much
mint arch
dadgar needs to come back and smack his kids into sense ;_;
near cosmos
he means us
mint arch
dadgar's kids are us
floral nacelle
I am suprerior
mint arch
horde and alliance leaders
floral nacelle
I didn't ask for this.
mint arch
Kappa
floral nacelle
:adamjensen:
floral nacelle
I genuinely don't care about Vulpera
they can go wherever
if Ally them them, sweet
mint arch
panda was also there
floral nacelle
if Horde get them I don't care
mint arch
they'll be horde from the looks of it
near cosmos
can you imagine goldshire inn if they became alliance
sudden oak
mint arch
loool
floral nacelle
Also
mint arch
worgen and vulpera
mint arch
its so fcking annoying, that blizzard could make all these allied races, but not bother fixing worgen and updating goblins
near cosmos
m8 keep your fur fetish to yourself, we don't need "fucking options" for any character that's why /e exists
đ
near cosmos
how's a small-town worgen girl like yourself meant to earn money if there's no poseballs
floral nacelle
oi
I am a proud Gilnean man I'll have you know
Just don't want to fight in this fucking fursuit all the time
and /e isn't cutting it anymore
floral nacelle
I still like the worgen form though
I really wish they would have an upright option. They'd look much better that way.
near cosmos
it took them like 14 years to make upright orcs so check back in 2032
mint arch
at least the worgen male model is better than the worgen female
near cosmos
i do hope dadghar has a role to play cause I love the VA
he was great in Stargate: SG-1 and I was so happy to hear him in WoD
mint arch
dadghar will always be around
when he gets much older, blizzard will bless him with his young age
and he'll stay
mint arch
but his body is much older right
steel venture
due to the curse but it's been reverting over the years.
which is why he doesnt look like 80-something anymore
mint arch
oh, its been reverting
steel venture
yea
he felt and acted MUCH older when he was first cursed
mint arch
benjamin button situation
mint arch
we end up with a kidghar xD
mint arch
blizzard pls
zinc sandal
Anybody else feel like the belvesâ new lips donât look much better?
They went from duckface to Kardashian
warm tangle
Okay. I am confused. I thought the horde was going to get trolls as a third allied race, but they got orcs instead?
warm tangle
I guess I should rephrase and say new playable race instead of allied race. But... yeah. What happened to the trolls?
mint heath
@warm tangle They are still getting Trolls but it wont be until later in the expansion
warm tangle
Ah. Okay. Was under the assumption it was going to be along with the dark iron dwarves since they were announced together. Thanks. đ
rich apex
Dark Iron and Maghar are out at launch (but you have to do the story content first)
Zandalari and Kul'tirans are some time after launch, which may or may not be with a .05 or .1 patch
warm tangle
Thanks for the info. Was confused. đ
terse patrol
Wish they were out for Prepatch. @rich apex
dense plover
no, but it seems, at least on alpha that the war campaign is very quick
and youll be done by 120
so assuming they dont require exalted, youll be able to get them very quickly after launch
uncut vault
theyve added more stuff, but the initial achievement is short
dense plover
yeah
im guessing either its not finished yet and the current time you get the achieve is a placeholder
or you will need exalted
near cosmos
they are going to make billions from people race changing đ
dense plover
i dont know why you would
you save time
but you dont get the armor
and its not like the racials are amazing
uncut vault
I mean, I race changed my mage because finally a high elf proxy that isnt human
dense plover
im excited to see what the zandalari and kul tiran racials are
thats true
race changing to what you always wanted makes sense
im currently leveling all the classes i never had as the new allied races
dense plover
so im working on a void elf warlock, a nightborne mage, a highmountain warrior, eventually: a maghar hunter
after that, i dont know
because i already have a druid
but want a dinomancer
and kul tiran i want a druid too.....
tulip sun
I will easily make duplicate classes
tulip sun
RP opportunities đŽ
dense plover
pretty much
tulip sun
I hope they eventually raise the 50 max toons, lol
dense plover
they probably will
considering each new allied race release will come with character slots
so youll probably get 2 more with 8.0
and then 2 more with whatever patch zandalari and kul tirans are in
and then if they do anymore, the pattern will follow
but yeah
they should increase the character cap too
near cosmos
Im just glad more casters are receiving visual updates finally
I pity the warlocks who had to look at all the other casters get updated effects
FeelsWarlockMan
although if WoW had FF14's graphics that would be pretty gud
tulip sun
I dont think a super realistic graphic stule would work in wow
dense plover
with warlock being updated, maybe they can finally work on staves being used in casting
tulip sun
Style
near cosmos
I just mean ground / rock / tree textures in WoW are garbage
dense plover
both wyrmrest and moonguard
horde and alliance respectively
ground and rock in newer stuff looks fine
so do trees
they just need to go and touch up all the old tree models
make them look like the new ones
i only have a 110 monk on wyrmrest
dense plover
and i have a lightforged 110 pally on moonguard
tulip sun
Something on Moon Guard...idk
It seemed like guilds died quickly
Maybe I had bad luck
You should do WrA alliance side...or I can grind to try and transfer a horde toon to WrA
tulip sun
I meant gold to transfer, lol. I did twice.
dense plover
its level sixty-something right now
dense plover
i have 6 110s i think
tulip sun
I have similar?
I wanted to get as many mage tower as I could...but it is not gonna happen
dense plover
oh
tulip sun
The only one I can't live without is the druid tank
dense plover
i decided im not going to bother
tulip sun
That one is so unique
near cosmos
Im only gonna bother with pally since its the only char whose ilvl is over 900 đ
tulip sun
That is making me hopeful
near cosmos
I read the guide on WH and it said for the ret pally one 915 is recommended
so maybe I can get that done
tulip sun
I guess i shouldnt stress over it....not like i can use them for rp or anything
dense plover
apparently the ret and bear ones are the easiest
near cosmos
already have the corrupted remembrance appearance
tulip sun
My druid is not geared enough yet
near cosmos
at least I dont have to stress about doing pvp or stuff before BfA to get the other colours
only 920 or so people to kill to get the golden version of it đ
dense plover
yeah since the pvp appearances are staying
its no biggy
im actually excited for pvp in BfA
mostly because war hippo
near cosmos
every colour variant is staying, its just the main unlock for mage tower afaik
near cosmos
thats it, couldnt remember what it was
dense plover
all of the alt tints can still be unlocked too
near cosmos
how gud do you need to be to do m15 anyway, half wondering if I should actually try getting it
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/bronzebeard/ilyxiana/simple
some stuff is still garbo and ofc Id get enchants and gems and stuff, but I dont think its too terrible? đ¤
tulip sun
Ugh
I want the appearances but it is really not qorth troubling over. It is nice to have but i doubt i would use them for real rp
near cosmos
according to google 940 is minimum so Im either buying a carry or forget about it đ
dense plover
around 940
935 if you have friends
but doing the ones to get you to a 15 will get you better gear
near cosmos
grief to maximum
Im gonna focus on getting the allied races rep and completing commander of argus before m+15 I think
at least all that argunite will get rid of all sub-900 gear
hazy compass
m+15 is not hard at all you can do it!
near cosmos
not gonna get into pugs with ilvl 913 tho đ
hazy compass
you can get a LOT higher in a couple of days.. besides in an MMO, you can easily make new friends if your old ones aren't on anymore
right now the weekly reward is a heroic cache from the current raid.. yeilding a 945+ item.. so go do 4x MoS mythic đ
dense plover
huh
description of the flight master whistle has changed
"only works inareas where you have unlocked the use of the flight whistle"
so looks like we will be holding on to it
fluid olive
this item has changed: 15 hour cooldown
quasi lynx
I love the flight whistle so I'm glad it's staying past legion
dense plover
its a very good feature
and doesnt imbalance the game while also allowing them to delay flight until a later patch
misty blaze
15 hour cooldown on flight whistle wtf
strange falcon
inb4 it wasnt
wild moss
i'm so glad the flight whistle is sticking around. Please retroactively add it to all past content too, thanks. (lulyearight)
carmine junco
wild moss
Yes!
uncut vault
So based on what I can see, each faction has 4 leveling dungeons and a max level dungeon for their faction, and completing the initial foothold achievement for the war campaign opens up the 4 leveling dungeons
dense plover
huh
i thought we would be waiting to do other faction dungeons until max level
especially since some of them seem to be faction tagged for max level
like ataldazar, underrot, and sethraliss are all tagged as alliance 110, but horde 108+/110
which side did you try this on @uncut vault
dense plover
ah
okay
yeah im pretty sure the opposite faction dungeons are not unlocked until 120, so that means you need to finish one foothold AND be 120